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Execution doesn't matter. Expert execution serves no purpose unless it is in sublimation to beauty and the ideal. Therefore we should always seek the transcendent in our art and execution will necessarily follow in order to better represent that preeminent quality. To draw and paint then is not a mechanical process of building up layers of form and color but the reaching of the artist beyond the medium. There is nothing to practise in art or any technique to develop outside this reaching of the human spirit.

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I am left-brained guy and I can't learn from tips like "feel the form", I need everything explained in a way that I can replicate it perfectly. I know that there are resources for that, I've already read one book (some japanese one) but I don't know where to look for more. What I need the most is to focus on construction (rotating stuff in space), a good breakdown on planes (everything consists of planes so it would be nice to have more than human bodies) and anything than can help me draw three dimensional things like I specifically want. My goal is to do semi realistic art.

TLDR; what are some books/tutorials for left-brained people who need consistent and repeatable results
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>>3482297
you sound like a dumbass.
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>>3481168
>Bammes
Just checked the books, why didn't /ic/ mention him before?
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>>3482354
The chinese value humility, the original poster is gmi
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>>3481640
You do realise that the vast majority of drawthreads on 4chin behave like non 4chinners for a very obvious reason that a lot of drawfags are random imports. Or we'd prefer to sound like a newfag and git gud then waste time finding it ourselves
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>>3481316
And thanks!

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So, that's the power of loomisfags ?
Maybe you'll need more than books tout learn how to draw
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>>3482914
i don't get it what's loomi's saying supposed to mean?
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>>3482939
meaning not knowing shit is more torturous than the act of acquiring it, whats not to get? are you a bralinet?

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Japanese site: https://manga-materials.net/
English site: https://manga-materials.net/en/

cool brushes, I've yet to figure out how to replicate them to photoshop or even in clipstudio for that matter.
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>>3480310
A lot of them look like stamp/ribbon brushes.
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>>3480782
which is correct, but the randomization is excellent. I've tried to remake their tree brushes but they just don't come out right, rez is too low or its repetition is too noticeable. And this is with breaking down their free tree brush.

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what does /ic/ think of Istebrak?
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>>3482778
>Posting an old piece of color work
I went to her website and picked the first thing that wasn't an unfinished portrait.

>She’s nothing special but she’s definitely far above beg tier
Maybe by Deviant standards, but in the grand scheme of things she's very much closer to being a beginner than anything else. There's many first year students at decent ateliers that would blow her out of the fucking water.
>What’s your damage?
Mediocre artists with self-inflated ego's that choose to teach tend to dilute the teaching milieu and have a bad influence on beginner artist, and the legacy of art in general.
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>>3482872
so you didn't watch any of her videos or listen to anything she said and youre just basing your opinion off a shitty piece she had in her portfolio from over 2 years ago aight dude
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>>3482879
Yeah dude, that's exactly it. Top tier reading comprehension you got there. But, whatever dude, you want to learn from a barely above beginner level portrait artist that can't do anything but gray scale be my guest.
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>>3482882
i don't want to learn to paint like her but i am interested in hearing how other artists analyze/study things because it generally gives me insight how to better understand how *insert thing here* works. most of her critiques/corrections offer this (so do her more recent foundation videos, the one about light and the one about "why your drawings suck")

unironically post your work
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>>3481760
Boring taste
Stuck in an eternal comfort zone

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You ever join a group and they kind of have their own strange inside joke?
I'm part of a group where it started out with a joke about country girls and corn, and it soon turned into cornck, the corn god. We sometimes draw him.
Show us some weird shit you've drawn for an inside joke for a group/with friends
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>>3478366
Hahaha.
I have too much time on my hands.

If you liked that, you might like this:
Power Drill Massacre
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX93EdS_64U&t=6

(cheap indie game inspired by The Texas Chainsaw Massacre!)
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>>3478135
on our discord server we call this girl "kikiam" basically it's a snack in our country which has a texture of a brown sphinx cat. We always joke about her "kikiam fingers".
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>>3478135
perfect example of an inside joke, as it's not fucking funny in the slightest.
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>>3478135
Turned a friend into squidward's house.

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Hi /ic/ I hoep u liek my first paining with oil!
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>>3482200
I miss tinybrush. Nobody here remembers her. Fucking nu/ic/.
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>>3482621
Id fuck
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>>3482664
That would be very painful
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>>3482745
4 u
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>>3482246

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I'm gonna be posting some stuff from my collection, if anyone wants to contribute feel free to do so!
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Oof I'm fucking tired guys. I'll finish uploading this and head straight to bed.

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End

Well, there's a few pages after this one with a lil' story but I can't be fucked to scan them rn.

If the thread is alive tomorrow, I might post some more. Peace guys.
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Best manga I have read in a while

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This genre of art always features light and carefree designs, either abolishing the patriarchal image of what a woman is supposed to look like, or just every-day situations featuring one or multiple LGBT characters.

Post those sweet tumblr and twitter gems, anon-kun
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>>3481257
It's a fake boogeyman made up by right wingers.
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>>3479428
>>3479436
>>3479446
>>3479804
>>3480243
>>3481046
>roleplaying as triggered SJWs so you at least can pretend you're victorious ITT
/pol/'s growing more pathetic by the day.
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>>3478334
lel
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>>3479478
>being this whipped

Have fun dying a forgotten failure anon lol. Of anyone here, you're the biggest slave to the people you claim to hate.
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>>3476421
>it's cool to see well-known characters drawn in a totally different style
is it really cool though? It can be interesting or humorous, but I rarely find these reinterpretations aesthetically cool or pleasing.

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75 likes while some of you might be struggling with having 3 views on your studies.

Is it truly a world of skill?
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>>3481860
she a qt though
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>>3481809
are you guys too starved of popularity? Why do you care so much about followers and likes?
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>>3482584
>heart choker
>sonichu art
dude have some standards
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>OP jelly to 75 likes
is this new low?
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>>3482323
I'm dying

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i am starting with drawing and was wondering if you can recommend me a website on which i can browse through different styles and artists?
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artstation 100%

https://medibang.com/contest/magazine2nd/award/
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Something good can come out of this mess, and this is another example of that... Congrats & good luck!
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>>3480947
>>3481494
>168 posts
>77 posters
>still bumping this disaster
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>>3481498
...You just did, man. I just wanted to congratulate someone who made it. So when it's about destroying someone & NGMIng, everyone's there but it's a desert when there's success in this place? I disagree.
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>>3477134
>tfw Hiro Mashima recognizes Naf
Made it.
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>>3478319
It was first posted in a recent Alternative Style general.

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Design is NOT a fundamental, and people who actually, unironically, feel the need to train things like poses, and composition, need to work on their visualization skills instead.

Visualization IS a fundamental - of ANY art - though one which doesn't get mentioned nearly as often as it should. This includes rotating and positioning complex three dimensional objects (such as entire people), in your head.
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>>3481510
Nice rebuttal though.
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>>3481510
It gives someone with zero experience or skill the false sense of accomplishment by "helping" someone they now perceive (incorrectly) as even less skilled than them. It's pretty much IC in a nutshell as you said. 99% of the advice given on here is parroting something anon1 read from anon2, when anon2 was just parroting some bullshit he read from anon3 a few weeks prior, and so on down the line.

It's like a big game of telephone where the original phrase was incorrect to begin with and only became more and more bullshit the further on down the line it went. After awhile the same bullshit information has been circulating so long people actually start to think it's real and make other bullshit assumptions based off it, spreading more incorrect information.

For the love of christ people only come here for keks, drama or maybe crits/draw threads. Not buisness advice.
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>>3481561
i don't even know why i keep coming back here.
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>>3481139
Not happy at all. Your list is messy, convoluted and uninformed.

Composition
Value & Light
Edge
Perspective
Color

Draftsmanship is not a fundamental. You don't practice "draftsmanship" in a way that excludes the other fundamentals and become good at drawing.

Narrative and general design fall under composition as a whole. Construction, as in structure in general, falls under perspective. Form falls under value & light.

They're called the fundamentals because they're supposedly fundamental to being a good artist no matter what style or process you're executing. Since there are artists that are successful for drawing landscapes or literally anything but classical nude figures, anatomy is not a fundamental.


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>>3482446
>>3481139

You are both dumbasses. It's all important. Form, values and colors are essentially a part of the same thing. There's no great painters who weren't also good draftsmen, etc.

Can someone explain to me why photography is considered a legitimate form of art?

All you are doing is framing beautiful things that already exist. Any fucker with a DSLR and instagram is now an artist as much as actually talented concept artists and actually talented sculptors.
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Read some 19th century articles it. Back then people argued for and against it
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>>3480651
Sure. But not everyone has high end lenses, camera bodies, in the old days large format film, and the experience and knowledge to expose the film properly - and then have the lightroom skills to print the photo and make the necessary adjustments to it.

People like discount photography in that you think they push the shutter button, and they done. That's just the raw image. Next comes processing and editing - very little photography comes out of the camera perfect. Some purists insist on it, and then try, and realize where in the process the darkroom is, and why it's important.
Ansel Adams was an artist with a camera. He had a great eye for composition and narrative, used large format cameras and specialized lenses, special film, and heavily processed them in the darkroom, and then used specific techniques on the press to reproduce prints and books of his photos.

Not everyone can do that. It starts with the shot, and most people don't "get" photography, they approach a subject, take a single shot, and that's it. A serious photographer approaches the subject from multiple angles, until they find the right now. They do years of trial and error to get the right effects, right lighting, the right lenses - and then spend years in the lab or in Photoshop post processing then shots, to the finished product. A typical shoot for a landscape can be hundreds of shots, at different settings.

And yes, once in a while - very rarely - the luck out and get a "perfect" shot, but the hundreds and thousands of other shots they take are discarded.

So keep thinking anyone could take that shot. Just like anyone could write Mozart's Requiem. Or Macbeth. It's just musical notes and words, right?

One thing I look for in fellow artists is respect for other art forms. It's a real bummer when our world contains pigheaded idiots like you who shit all over other art forms, for no reason, other than your weak ass ego. You make everyone look bad.
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>>3480597
That's like saying anyone with a word processor is Shakespeare, or anyone with a piano is Beethoven.

It's a pretty fucking narrow minded stance to take.

A camera is a tool. Intent is what makes what comes out art. If you take a vacation snap, it's not art.
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>>3480669
Okay, os if I paint a masterpiece, I have to credit the person who made the canvas, or the paint, or the brushes?

A child thinks like that.
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>>3480676
Sorry, DSLRs don't have an "instant art" button, and most pictures get processed after the photo is taken.

ITT: Art pet peeves

>Gives someone a small redlining to fix one part of their drawing that seemed odd to my eyes
>They become hostile and push me off for me doing it as they "Didn't ask for critique" and how "You should ask before you give someone constructive criticism".

I got kicked from the chat afterwards.
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>>3479571
it's generally polite to ask before you critique when in a group. It may be appropriate to critique the shit out of artwork in a gallery, but when with friends its nicer to ask first. (also, they have less right to be angry about it if they accept the critique. They can be butthurt all they want, but they cant say "i didnt ask for this" when they did!!!)
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>>3479571
You really felt it was necessary to have this thread for you to bitch in, huh?
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>>3480870
Setting aside the low skill level of your redline, your remedy doesn't even address the problems you mention. Your redline isn't very good at indicating weight, nor does it look natural.

You can't even draw a hand, which would improve this image way more than you pointless repositioning of the arms.
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redlines and critique are a waste of time. If other artists don't want to improve you'll just have less competition.
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>>3480724
point
head



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