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The five value excercise thread was a good one. Does Mullins, Fowkes, Lang et al. in their courses have a similar excercise with a few simple rules for color studies? Not interested in general advice from anons, specifically looking for material taught by these guys on the topic of color studies. Thanks!

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At what age did you start drawing?
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>>3477131
>>3486544
You already have, this critique was excellent. You need to work on your anatomy and form, it's bad enough I don't want to pay attention to the piece.
And be more specific when asking for critique. Ask a general question, get a general answer. (most of the time)
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>>3486532
Yeah I'm a zoophile and all that shiz, but I function pretty well, have friends, job, relationship (well, it's complicated hahah) so guess I'm not what you're looking for. Wbu? And why do you ask? Curious about correlations between artists/4chan browsers and social position?
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>>3460423
Ive been drawing since i was 4 but i didnt actually start being passionate about it till middle school.
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>>3460551
Neither will you though
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>>3477262
I like this a lot.

Why do you like anime art?
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>>3485819
the side mouth is the only valid critique the rest are just stylizations the person who made this image doesn't understand.
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>>3485819
It's all I've masturbated to for the last year or so, so I guess I do
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>>3485955
Do I have this correct, anon?
(pic related)
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>>3486664
Why didn't you just type it out in a post?
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>>3485819
>anime
is a fucking mistake

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im 18 & going into a 1 year fundamentals course in the fall. i tried to get into animation but they shot me down. tell me how i can get better
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>>3480678
next time post it on /beg. you'll get more responses and a thread doesnt need to die.
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>>3483228
This.
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Better than 300% of /ic/
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You have potential kid. Fuck Sheridan you don't need their bullshit course anyway. Your figures need work. Don't put anything other than the very best of what you're capable of in your portfolio. Pretty much what this guy said >>3480882

Your kitchen perspective exercise exhibits a few flaws as well. We shouldn't be seeing the side plane of that top left cupboard, nor the left plane bevel of that cupboard door to the right of the vanishing point. Any admissions staffer worth shit would be able to pick up on that stuff immediately. Whether it would be enough to keep you from attending in general is another story.

Your work appears adequate for a high school student so I can't help but wonder if there's some other reason you didn't get in-or if they're just really intent on having students they know for sure are good enough to make it on their own attending.
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>>3480678
Pretty sure humerus doesn't twist like that and that ribcage is as flat as the canvas

When I was 16 my parents tore up my room in search of drugs but when they found none they looked through my sketchbook to find some incriminating evidence. They saw the weird porn I drew and showed it to me and heavily shamed me about it. To this day I can't draw anything without flashbacks to what they've done. How do I overcome this horseshit?
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>>3486636
>never talked to another human in real life
yeah dude that's what I said kek thinking emoji 100 emoji
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>>3486640
Tbh not sure why you came up with that roast, but think of it this way. Anon has a dream to draw pretty anime girls. This anon's gf is stopping him from pursuing his passion and stressing him out, from a character flaw she has. You recognize it as a flaw and want to support it because "she needs the confirmation". They should be working together to help her get over thinking in that way, and Anon's feelings are important too btw.
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>>3485712
You're right. But it's probably the reason I actually look like and act like a well-adjusted human and don't have any weeb merch or anything, nor do my parents know I'm a bit of a weeb.
Anyway it's kind of funny just in how ridiculous it is - they aren't even religious, they aren't abusive, we aren't poor, etc.. my dad just seemed really disappointed that his son was touching himself to fake women instead of real ones.
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>>3484986

Parents once busted my internet history. Lots of weird shit in it. Dad didnt care much but mom felt like I was some kind of monster. A couple years later you'll laugh at this shit. Either deal with the fact that we're all weird animals on this planet or go to a shrink and come up with similar conclusion by having spent more money.
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>>3487171
Weird - very strange; bizarre.
If everyone is weird than isn't being weird not weird, than what is weird.

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Thoughts?
I was thinking of getting one for my Surface Pro 4, knowing it should also work with whatever tablet I eventually upgrade to
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>>3485869
is that really $100?

You see wacom, this is why no one likes you.
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>>3487059
looks like the Logitech G13 and the Razer are at least as expensive
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>>3485869
I recently bought a used one of pic related.

Absolutely easy to customize, the jog dial is having an outer ring to switch shit too, its quite comfy to rest your hand on even for long term use and it seems to be indestructible, according to reviews.
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The touch ring is a bit shite and this is given away with any tablet you'd actually want it for, ie. the Wacom ones without buttons.
Got it with a 24" Pro and I still use keyboard shortcuts.
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>>3485869

This one comes for 40 bucks on eBay.
Yes, it is good, if not better than the overpriced Wacom one.
Thank me later

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If a client commissions you to draw something for them, and if they end up liking the end result, do they still have to pay you? Even if they paid half that amount upfront, do they get that money back?

I've had this convo with a couple of artists. One said they would only keep the down payment, while another said the client should pay the full amount because you still put time and effort into the piece. Someone else, who wasn't an artist, felt a client should get a full refund if they feel they didn't get what they paid for.

Thoughts? Opinions?
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>>3484958
OH ffs the client is supposed to include a description of what they want you to draw WITH the email they sent expressing interest in commissioning you.

It's up to you to accept or decline the commission request (why yes, you can do that, state it in your TOS).

Once you emailed them that you accept, you send the invoice. It depends on you if you want the whole payment or whatever payment setup you want for each step of the work.

Art is an intangible luxury. We do not have to do refunds or replacements.

You better not be one of those idiots who have cheap commission prices.
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>>3485203
holy shit this is such a good idea! ive done enough commissions and never had to deal with a shitty commissioner yet but this is a really good idea! most of the time im being asked to draw their characters and whatever and they just seem to be happy to even get something drawn so its nothing huge.
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>>3485135
>>3484999
>All these people who don't know about the freelancing sites full of commission work, and shitty af artists.

I'll be keeping my secrets to myself, less competition is better.
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>>3487156
Been there, done that. Going through freelance job offer lists and applying to them is a fucking miserable existence and it only gets you entitled as fuck clients who think they somehow did you a favor in choosing you over the competition so they will plague you with revisions without a second thought. No, the only way to do freelancing work and keep your sanity is to get good / popular enough to have people come to you, asking for your work, or get good enough that you can freelance for bigger clients.
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>>3484958

have you ever heard of the word "contract" ?

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Are there any examples of illustrators who made art using computers (using math and programming)?
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>>3486763
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>>3486763
Look up "processing art / gifs / animation". Processings main purpose is exactly what you described, and people have done some awesome stuff with it.
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this question is moreso down /g/'s alley.. but yeah, machine learning and AI development are booming in growth and just about any average joe can get into it, many of whom could also be interested in art
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>>3486763
Look up "html5 canvas" and google it's API, you can try it yourself
>>>/g/
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>>3486910
this pretty much. I've personally worled alot with process back in my high school days(mostly for programming or electronic related projects). though keep in mind it's lotta work to make art using processing especially if you're the type who uses trial and error.

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So what exactly makes Ruan Jia's rendering so good? It seems to be something complex that I have yet to see something like that in other people's work.
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>>3486700
Nothing's wrong with his values, i just hate that people only notice because his colours are shit and only come from messing with sliders until it looks, that's why its all covered in artifacts, looks like someone tried to make one of those deep fried memes.
His work looks 2000% better in grayscale.
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>>3486728
sliders? those are not filters, theyre brush strokes. youre talking out of your ass
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>>3486728
Obtain better eyes
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>>3486663
>>3486685
Brian you are so unbelievably insecure. It would be funny if it wasn't so disgusting.
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>>3481388
Stop spamming ads please.

I will start
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>>3482394
Are you new? This shits been happening for years. Take what you see on these boards with a grain of salt.
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As long as it's not spaghetti tier and actually visually appealing it does not matter. This is literally crabs: the thread
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>>3485388
>>3482394
none of yall actually read the thread or youd see it was literally only nosebro being autistic about anatomy
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>>3476559
...squids don't need to have human anatomy? (that actually might be a kid tho can't really tell)
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>>3477893
I think we should change the board name to /icrab/
:(

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thank you anime
you made drawing fun again
so many colors, unbriddled fun
i'm tired of western rigidity and dullness
that's not maturity, that's just dourness
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>>3486897
How do I get this good
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>>3486915
study the old masters
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>>3486900
just take a photo lol
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Yep
Because all western art is the same
Just like how all Japanese art is the same

>inb4 bait thread
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>>3487131
nice western cope
typical anime

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Alright you fucks, I've accumulated a big steaming pile of crappy art, and I'm dumping it all here. Enjoy.
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>>3483344
I cant look away no matter how hard i try.
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it's time
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>>3483344
thanks now i need to pass this curse on to at least 5 other blissfully unaware victims in order to purge myself

i hope you're happy
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>>3487140
The more things change, the more they stay the same.

>be me
>want to learn drawing
>no clue how to start
>no talent
>everyone is sucking off that Loomis fellow
>download "Fun with a Pencil"
>first exercise is literally the the old "draw a circle, draw the rest of the fucking owl" joke, except that faggot is being serious

Well, I tip my hat to you, you sure got me good.
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>>3484461
Look anon, the only reason why you are so butthurt about Loomis is because someone told you that you need to study more Loomis. They wouldn't have said that if your work looked actually good. Yes, you don't have to study Loomis, he's just one of many decent options, but you do need to do soemthign, because your art is fucking garbage and if even Loomis is too difficult for you, then you will never make it.
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>>3484461
>There's absolutely nothing special about Loomis, he is not the be all end all to art instructions

literally nobody says that he is. He's just a convenient choice to point beginner like you to because his books cover most of the fundamentals in a very easy to understand way. Why does that make you so angry? If someone told you to study Loomis, it simply means you lack the fundamentals, they don't actually care if you learn those from Loomis or from anywhere else, they just point out that you should learn them.
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>>3483475
Ughhh. ARRGH! Oh no! This Loomis dude is not cool... Eek! I just. Can't. Wrap. My. HEAD AROUND THIS!!! I AM GOING INSANE!!! I... I think I'm gonna kill myself...
*floats in air, dark spheres form in my palms*
Goodbye... Cruel world...
*blasts world away and dies*
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>>3484448
>Construction drawing
>Counterintuitive

The absolute AUDACITY of this nigger.
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>>3484461
Sure, Loomis and experienced artists can do that, but beginners can't. Telling a beginner to do that would literally be the "draw the rest of the owl" meme. That's what all that construction drawing stuff is for. After a certain point you get so good at doing it that you can merge several steps into one, but that construction drawing knowledge is still working in the background, in your mind. That's called proficiency.
Even then you'll sometimes need to block things out the old fashioned way to solve a tricky drawing problem, or revisited from time to time to sharpen your memory.

Honestly, you are extremely ignorant.

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Q&A thread

ask questions
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I have a question regarding dynamic sketching vehicles, especially when drawing with a side view

It seems like a lot of artists are just drawing a flat box, and breaking down that box into smaller sub boxes to draw their vehicle

I'm having trouble with that method in that sometimes the box just ends up being a bit long or shorter then it needs to be

Would it be viable instead split the vehicle I'm trying to draw into individual shapes, using the wheels to measure proportions and designate landmarks?
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>>3487050
The problem you get by drawing wheels first is that you make it way harder to get the general proportions of the vehicle because you don't have these big shapes to help you visualize the entire thing. Its like drawing a face by starting with the eyes or the mouth instead of the general shapes, its very counter intuitive and restrictive. The reason most artists start by drawing with big forms is that so they can visualize whatever they're drawing inside of it in its entirety.
The best would be to draw a box you think encompasses the shape of the vehicle you're trying to draw and narrow it down in more precise shapes and put landmarks as you detail wheels, the frame, etc., you can always enlarge it if it seems too tiny. You can't go wrong with the box method, just practice every day, experiment a bit with it and you will get better.
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>>3487093
I'm not really drawing the wheels; I'm more like using them as unit of measurement the same way you would use heads to measure when figure drawing
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how do i get a better workflow
i dont know how my backgrounds should look like
so i keep looking at them as they look now (shit unfinished) and i know they need work but i feel like the global image is wrong
any tips to fix this mental problem
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>>3461987
I've had the ctl480 for about 4 years now looking for a new tablet, should I just go with the ctl4100? Does anyone have any other recommendations?

Vent thread
Post what’s bothering you (art-related)

I’ll start:

I was making good progress over the past year but feel like I’ve hit a bump and can’t improve. I’m becoming increasingly more impatient and feeling like I’m NGMI.
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>>3486555
>Redlines u from behind x3
>*notices symbol drawing* Owo what's this..?

>>3486554
>Jealous
Wew lad
>>3486586
>"I want critique but I don't need to improve, also I want to sell my art ~(◡ω◡)"
WEW
E
W

Wow, looks like I got a writing prompt for my vent! Thanks, anon!
I mean, where do I even start? Do you understand the purpose of 'critique'? Do you even know what it means? 'Critique' means "Hey guys, tell me what's wrong with my work and what I need to do to improve, because boy howdy am I some fresh hot garbage right now and I want to do better." Criticism does NOT mean "Give me buttpats and don't tell me I'm bad, it's my style and I have a bajillion-mcsquillion basic white girls and post-menopausal housewives following me on Instagram, so I'm already perfect UwU".

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>>3485145
I have forgotten how to teach myself to become better at drawing. I forgot how to grind since I have this need to "I want to draw this and I'll improve it this way.". I don't sketch unless it's on paper and I never use an eraser when I do so. I hate myself because of that and now I am stuck since the ideas I have in my mind are out of my reach and I can't make them real.
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>>3486555

Good job, Anon. I really like the way you painted the head. You're choice of colors are really nice and the small symbols throughout add a nice touch. Adding the flowers to the canvas really takes drawing in 3D to a whole different level, giving people the opportunity to actually feel the forms.

You don't need to change anything, Anon, nothing at all...
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>>3485145
I want to make a comic and ive been thinking of the way the story is gonna go and creating refrences for characters but i cant shake the feeling that ill never be able to see it through and get bored of making it or even make it at all.
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>>3485338
Quite similar but more with a visual library issue.
I feel like my visual library is decaying overtime and it's hard to come up with anything original.
Despite reading various novels, manga, comics and watching movies, tv series, anime etc. It's hard to come up with something without falling into some trope or artist copycat.



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