So we all agree, oda has lost it right?1. Time skip flanderization.2.Haki > Devil fruits.3. Strawhats feel 1D4. Jinbei is not being handled properly 5. Vivi and Yamato should have joined How did he lose it?
One Piece peaked 20 years ago
>Minecraft and Legos will save our shit plots
My biggest complaint is that Imu is a lame villain, far less interesting than Blackbeard or Akainu.
>>288233839What caused oda to become so different? I would not be surprised if you told me he was killed and replaced with a copycat.
>>288233839Imu is okay. Oda is just taking too damn long.>BlackbeardFraud>AkainuDemoted to desk warmer
>>288233880Imu is not okay.Admit right fucking now he has no gravitas.
Imu looks like a Boruto character
>>288233968He feels like a boruto character. oda was killed by the elite and replaced with this talentless hack.
>>288233515Why do we have so many Naruto tourists here all of a sudden? >>288226040Have you even been reading One Piece from the start or are you are Nue baby? The flashbacks have always been there in One Piece and are the best meat of the story. Between school exams, Naruto the TnJ expert had to sit through villain sobstories so easy redemption is served not narrative flashbacks that move the plot like in One Piece.
>>288234035Stop taking valid criticisms so personally
Who is we? No.
>>288234122me AND you
>>288233515Vivi is clearly going to be re-joining soon. Its the whole reason he got her off the Island in the first place. The timeskip didnt really slandering the characters, we just dont have a lot of time to spend with them outside of battle anymore.Haki vs devil fruits is a valid criticism but devil fruits weren't exactly a stellar power system either. One Piece has always been "rule of cool" when it comes to fights. Strawhats being 1D is basically the same as saying they are flanderized. I totally agree in a perfect world we would get *more* from them but the series is already too long. I am happier that we get to the ending and then get a solid couple of dozen chapters watching all of their dreams come true. Jinbei not being handled properly? How so? He never really had a place to fit in on the crew anyway. He has made it clear he is only there because he knows Luffy is Nika. He is just along for the ride alongside his savior.
>>288233515one piece was never good, is just your nostalgia blinding you, current OP is thrash tho even boruto mogs it
>>288234146It's too late for that Oda did that stupid stunt "you don't need to read what happened before you can just read now" at the end of wano no crew addition feels meaningful because this is the end of the journey
>>288233515>1. he's not writing the characters the way I want>2. he's not writing the fights the way I want>3. he's not writing the characters the way I want>4. he's not writing the characters the way I want>5. he's not pacing the plot the way I want
>>288234179!!!!!!!I did
>>288233919He has gravitas. So much that Oda can't keep drawing him for too long and has to distract himself and us with holy jobbers.
>>288234240It would be fun to pick apart what's wrong with every post time skip arc Minus FI(it's good)I'll start Punk hazard uninteresting plot
>>288234322>It would be funNo it wouldn'tI don't think you remember what the emotion called fun feels like
>>288234340Criticizing things Is funWhen did you last read FI Ph?DR?
>>288233515I've stopped reading for like two months or longer now, it's great to be free
>>288234353same time as the first time I read themthey weren't very fun so I won't reread them or waste time trying to remember specific details beyond the fact that they weren't very fun
Punk Hazard-Wano is pretty much just filler
>>288234483Don't you ever fucking say that again
>>288233515Yesterday I was rereading enies lobby>Battles have lost all sense of coreography>Banter between strawhats is lost>The comedy is gone
>>288234501It's true. Jimbei could've easily joined the Strawhats at Fishman Island, and they could've easily have just gone straight to Egghead right after
>>2882335151: True2: No, Luffy's opponents are always fruit users.3: It depends, it's mostly that the focus is on the first 5 + Robin, the rest are either support (Brook), Pokemon (Franky) or just around for quotas (Jinbei).4: Jinbei's participation is retroactive, he had 5 arcs before joining: (Impel Down, MarinFord, Fishman Island, Whole Cake, Onigashima), him joining is pretty much retirement really, but hey he has an opportunity with Zaza to use Surf again.5: NO, Vivi had no niche outside of being hot, Robin is a straight upgrade over her, and by allah don't get me started about Yamato holy fucking shit, try thinking about Yamato before and after fapping and witness the contrast in opinion yourself.
>>288234565Was stronger than Sanji at the time no, he would have made PH and Dressrosa too easy.
>>288234559It's all about gods now.
>>288234582Yamato's role could be the master at arms. Training the weaker members of the crew, and helping protect the ship when docked.
I'm not a big Carrot simp, but she would have been a perfect shoe in spot for the lookout position.
One Piece's decline isn't unique, all over the world people are switching to Manhwa.
Does One Piece have too many flashbacks? I mean, half of the story is told through flashbacks. When does having too many flashbacks becomes a problem for a manga?
>>288234734It's pretty much impossible to write a story about "The culmination of 3,000 years of history and a thousand years secret war, and the importance of the stories people tell about the dead" without lots of flashbacks, unless you deliver the information about the past in egregious walls of text with minimal illustrations of the events being described
>>288234632>role>training>at the end of the seriesNo, she's joining in Laugh Tale for final crew double spreads then it's back to r34 for her.
>>288234734Remember when we thought Naruto had a flashback problem
>>288234810Nta, but I'm ok with that. As long as she joins in and becomes a strawhat, I don't care.
>>288234678Manwha is only good for milf porn
>>288234559The interesting part, if oda slowed down it would actually go faster because he's trying to rush it's actually taking longer because the setups aren't natural and feel shoehorned in ala the brook flashback We all want to know more about brook but this feels like it's going to be a exposition dump. What would have been welcomed with open arms will instead feel like a chore.
>>288233515Don't forget the worse sin of them all>still only island level despite 1000+ chaptersThe verse still doesn't get past Raditz.
>>288234852The Brook/Gunko story is really ultimately irrelevant and does not need to be expanded on.I'm ok with leaving things at:>Brook was a royal knight>Imu Reversi'd Gunko
>>288234810don't forget about all the movies that get made after joining, including everything made after the manga ends, as well as getting strawhat treatment in all the games, spinoffs, and sequels
>>288234875I would argue Loki and Imu are Nappa and Vegata respectively tier
>>288234875You watch power scalers to much
>>288234888Eh, cashgrabs, whatever.
>>288234879If he had just made this Usopps arc and then built around it with lore of other characters especially brook elbaph would be received much better than it already is
>>288234734Yes. They're about to fight, boom, there's a flashback and then there's flashback inside the flashback and this flashback lasts 6 months. This is a problem.
>>288234912Elbaf is a Marijoa arc happening on Elbaf, Elbaf is just a backdrop, the Elbaf that was supposed to be Ussop's arc has been cut, along with Ussop as a character.
>>288234928And I'll state right now. If elbaph ends without any Usopp development or emotional moments oda can go ahead and wrap this story up.
This arc is a fucking mess. It's not a disaster like Wano or Egghead but it's a mess.
>>288234961Yeah well seems like the next arc is Laugh Tale so..
>>288233839imu seemed like he'd be boring and totally subverted that by being such a goofy goober, wtf did you want him to be? another boring edgelord?nothing has been actually bad except most of wano and all of egghead and luffys inability to be serious
>>288234983Huh, i have Egghead at 9/10.
One Piece needs to fucking end. Oda was clearly stretch it to beat records.
>>288234992>another boring edgelordHow many does the series even have?>Mihawk>Crocodile>Akainu...That's about it isn't it? And these are all some of the absolute best characters in the series
>>288233515>timeskip Before that, character traits were irrelevant or only a minor part of their personalities. He only brings them up when it’s convenient. For example, the Big Mom arc is the first one to incorporate Sanji’s cooking skills into the plot. Until then, it was something exclusive to the movie. >HakiI liked it when it was introduced as something specific to snakes. It would be better if it stayed that way, as something Hippie Rayleigh taught Luffy>Straw HatsThere was only one character-driven arc in the series before the timeskip, and that was the early Water 7 arc>JinbeiTo this day, I don’t know how he joined the group>Vivi and Stockholm Syndrome?
>>288235014He was ready to end it at W7, W7 crew dialogues read like a lategame if not endgame arc.
>>288234590Um chud that one arc from 20 years ago, so see, it was always about gods.
>>288235015you have to be retarded
>>288234990And his ending will be as shit as TADC
>>288235027I can't wait for Laugh Tale to be Olympus themed with the one piece being the olympic torch on top of Mt. Olympus.
>>288235053Too kino for Oda. He prefers inventing his own gods. Admittedly Zaza is cool.
>>288234997>The arc where franky did nothing Yeah going to need you to drop that about 2 points
>>288233515Kys retard.
>>288235070Franky's a pokemon not a character, his agency stops at screaming super and using Dynamic Punch and Hyper Beam
>>288235053Panty and Stocking lost coolness doing that shit
>>288234983Its only real flaw is the retarded child kidnapping subplot.
>>288234483It's the story of how Luffy became an emperor. It's its own major arc.
One Piece's pacing:
>>288233515>2.Haki > Devil fruits.Kaidou said that before immediately being defeated by Luffy's devil fruit allowing him to make a big ass fist.
>>288235116Panty and Stocking lost coolness because Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel were made and are a billion times better.
>>288235119I agree, then again it's a story about children shaping the world, children shit is unavoidable, i mean think about it:-The PH kids-Dressrosa toys-Totland being a kid paradise with endless giant chocolate cakes and all-Luffy reverting back from manchild to child in g5-Emet looking like a toy and talking like one-The MMAsI'm calling Joyboy being a little boy right now, the Joyboy/Imu feud being about something stupid like cheating in hide & seek, and the one piece being a toy.
>>288235154Luffys devil is a plot device Prior to that devil fruits were much cooler
>>288235159Fucking indie plant trash
>>288235154a big fist that would have melted without making contact with him were it not for luffy's haki
>>288235173You can chose to stay mad at me all you want but the numbers speak for themselves.
>>288235202Appeal to popularity is not a winning argument
>>288233515>Yamato should have joined
>>288235292Not reading all thatStrawhats need a strong female member
>>288235302They don't even have strong male members beside Monster Duo
>>288235292>>288233515Why are you replying to yourself Carrotshit?
>>288235338I am in fact a Robinbro, not the furry.
>>288233515Yamato will join, at the very end, but she will join.
>>288235338because no one else replies to this doomer otherwise
>>288235369Unironically think we'll get like 3-5 Straw Hats after Luffy becomes pirate king, so in some bizarre way it'll be like both the "nobody joins" crowd and "Carrot/Yamato/Vivi/Loki/Bonney/etc" crowd winning. Yamato being the one I'm most certain of.
>>288235355>IMG_FAGGOT>Robinbro>Doubt.jpgSure, Carrotshit. Sure you are.
>>288233515
>>288234852The manga is a glorified storyboard for the anime, but the anime is the anime, so all that's left is to find out how Oda's going to wrap things together. Like you said, he may be rushing so hard that he's forgetting or ignoring things. I'm not surprised Elbaf hasn't spent much time on Usopp for example, it'll be like Zoro on Wano at best. Oda's actually so used to blueballing on lore he may accidentally do that til it really ends.
>>288235389If all the landmasses become united like some theorists claim, then everyone in the world will become part of the straw hats, including us, the reader.
>>288235427Did people really want Jinbe to join? Of all the characters that could have joined, he was the least interesting.
>>288233515>says that Oda has ''lost it'' while seething because he got rid of one of his worst charactersI know you're a braindead Narutard, but could you at least pretend not to be a total retard for once?>>288235302>Strawhats need a strong female memberNo, they don't, especially if the character is as bad as Yamato.
>>288233515You mean Carrot and Yamato.
>>2882335151.1. Yamato could have joined to the SH1.2. Ashura should have traveled with Kidd1.3. the guy with blue hair should have sailed with LawBut the samurais should have been stronger and...Yeah the story is now about Luffy and the Gods, Oda should hire artists, pump 30 pague chapters and fix this shit while he still can
>>288235491Revisiting Summit War really won him back to me, people forget a lot of the shit he pulled Luffy out of.
>>288233968That's why he's so lame. He looks like a randomly generated character that incorporates all the lamest and most generic big bad traits, it's like some unholy merge of acnologia, otsutsuki and digimon.
>>288235501The hate for oden and by proxy Yamato are performative.
>>288235448>The manga is a glorified storyboard for the animePerfectly said. Oda doesn't need to do cool choreography because the animators will do that for him and add special effects to make it interesting.
>>288233968>Imu looks like a Boruto characterI hate how accurate this is. Oda dropped the ball with his design.
>>288235393Img is just how apple shit does it, sorry anon. I can post more Robin if that would help.
>>288235448>Oda's actually so used to blueballing on lore he may accidentally do that til it really ends.There it is thats the problem
>>288233515jinbei the fatfishnigger is just a boring non-character
>>288235561Jinbe has helped Luffy a lot that's for sure, but what else has he going on? His whole personality is helping Luffy.
When did you realize the live action is higher quality than the main series?
>>288233968Boruto's designs need space to breathe. They don't work in a manga clustered of information in every single page.You people gave Kubo shit but he also understood this rule.
>>288235765Boruto's designs are hideous and look nothing like characters from Naruto.
>>288234875Everytime you think they're about to reach planet level Oda cuts to a flashback and he forgets about the power escallation he was building up in the first place.One Piece can't rely on lore or statements because Oda won't provide them in any form or shape.power scaler btw. I know what I'm talking about-
>>288235795nah this is just your nostalgia bro, Boruto is just fine, Naruto always looked like shit.
>>288235669Not his fault. He has been a SH since marine ford. Odas only fucking mistake was not having him immediately join after Fishman island.
>>288235741It's pre time skip so by law of transitive property it's better than post time skip manga.
>>288235795Kishi's designs were better in part 1 (like Kubo and Oda!!!), he lost track of his own art past that point.
>>288235795Ikemoto's designs are ugly as a sin. It wouldn't surprise me if he came up with Imu's design.
Elbaph if it were good.
The quality drop in all big 3 shonens adfter their timeskip is something that needs to be studied.Like, none of the new gen mangas had this quality drop. JJK and CSM remained of the same good quality (both art and writting) from start to end.But if you look at what was being made back then, cartoons and shit, it was a common trend back then. Ben 10 also became hideous as time went on.
>>288235819Agreed.
>>288235856The answer is simplicity.The ts punch would have been much better if they both did it in their base forms
I wish Sanji was the main character desu Luffy is just his follower
>>288234087Those aren't valid criticisms. Flashbacks always existed from the start >>288234734 instead it is Oda having bloated poost timeskip and then rushing the arcs that is the real problem. And it is clearly only 30s Nard fans left talking here >>288234813 and nobody in the 40s is reading One Piece anymore. Not one Boruto reader is a valid manga reader.
>>288235724Pretty much this. He's lived his life and gained the respect of every folk in Fishman Island to the point he's welcomed despite being a pirate.
Oh my God I'm so mad.If oda had jinbe join after FI he could have been forced back to wci with Sanji in a nami parallel bringing nami and jinbes relationship full circle (remember he cause arlong.) my god what a missed opportunity. I'm glad nami became immediately receptive to him during the explanation in Fishman island but damn that would have been a good moment.
>>288235914>Not one Boruto reader is a valid manga reader.Are you going to explain why? You want to be taken seriously, correct?
>>288235856they tried to mimic Dragon Ball transition from DB to Z; but you can tell they all were artificially forced to continue by Jump. Tori GOD achieved everything at 5% of his capabilities and when he didn't even want to work anymore, that is a true master; these hacks were trying but clearly had no idea what they were doing
>>288233968You guys are tripping. Imu's one of my favorite designs next to Sulong Carrot and Kid.
>>288235724So Is brook, chopper, Robin and Franky's.
>>288235936Isshiki also has a far better design than whatever wuxia shit Kishi was trying at the end of his manga.
>>288235914>Not one Boruto reader is a valid manga reader.Truer words have never been spoken.
>>288235944Oh I'm sorry if Ikemoto took your japan vs china fantasy away from you and made the manga more modern.
>waa!! Bring back my wuxia setting! Everything needs to be faux ninjas, samurais and monks!!!Narutards, just go extinct already. Leave us all alone. lol
>>288235939Chopper wants to be a doctor who can cure any diisease, Robin wants to know the history of the void century, Franky wants to build the best ship ever, Brook wants to meet Laboon again, what's Jinbe's dream?
>>288235856I don't think Bleach had a quality drop after the TS, the manga peaked at Soul Society which was the only truly good arc, then the rest was more of the same. Naruto's quality drop happened after tobi showed up, with a brief curve upward during the pain assault on konoha. The final arcs being ass for different reasons. OP big climactic arc will be terrible no matter what, providing oda managed to get there.
>>288236011Oda promised Wano was going to be better than Marineford. It was all a big fat lie.
>>288235990This >>288235919
>>288236011Obito was the only good plotline in Naruto. The one that was written to stand even past Pain. I had to pretend the bullshit methods used to get there didn't exist just to accept it in my heart. Because I truly like that character.I fucking hate Madara. He shouldn't have been as involved in the story as he was.
>>288235990There's a post several above, true freedom for fish men.
>>288236031Literally the writing on the wall.
>>288236034Kishimoto was smoking some bad shit when he thought a long ass war arc (it's longer than any arc in One Piece), was a good idea. It almost takes 1/3 of the manga. The first half was abysmall and does a bad job at setting up the events of the second half, except for hyping up Madara.
>>288236034Madara IS a garbage character.
Usopp and Jinbe seem to suffer from the same thing Guilty until proven innocent Characters that have to justify why they exist when no other character in one piece does. For the exact same reason Usopp is the 100% African representative and Jinbe the representative for the Black race.Shocking how these two show the bigotry encoded in readers core.
When One PIECE ends ,Dragon Ball Super will still be going
>>288236076Absolutelly. He had no reason to be the mastermind behind the entire plotline. I just chose to ignore him because I want to like Obito. I loved Minato and Kushina's story., the final twist revealing Obito and their encounter prior to Obito absorbing the ten tails. What the fuck was Madara's purpose in that story? Zero, none!!! Kishimoto was a stupid brain dead retard for thinking he needed insert more into an already kind of confusing story.
>>288236031It was though. Wano was a more complete, self-contained arc with a beginning, middle and end. It was so epic in scope and storytelling it could be its own manga within a manga. It had spectacle that rivalled Marineford, like giant Gear 5 Luffy or Kaido summoning tornados.Marineford was awesome and still one of my favorites, but it was also nothing but fights. Which is cool as a pay-off to the build-up that began with Sabaody, but as a standalone arc? Now fightfags and powerscalers just wank off over it. It kicked off the toxic obsession with "feats" which killed the fandom. "Chopper sucks and I hate him because he's not as strong as Mihawk!" That kind of retardation.
>>288235809Power scaling is shipping for men.
>>288236034Obito should have died sticking to his principles. I got to like him when he rejected Naruto's hand, and said he would do the same thing all over again if he had the chance. He had conviction, his beliefs were unshakeable.
>>288235023Everything past W7 has been postgame victory lap bullshit.
>>288236162No, that would be too mean. He is one of the characters that needed to go with peace in his heart.
>>288236131To me nothing tops Marineford. It was not only the fights, it was the characters, I cared about the characters: the shichibukai, shirohige's pirates, the admirals, Luffy's friends. But Wano? I couldn't care less about the red scabbards, what other characters were we supposed to be interested in besides the strawhats?
>>2882335159 out of 10 chapters end with any of these cliffhangers:>mystery nigga mentioned/approaches>battle about to start>secret about to be revealled via flashbackI grew tired of it anons... I keep waiting for chapters to pile up in numbers so I can read them in bulk but then a break or some golden week shit happens and back to the same shit...
>>288236185Oh, don't get me wrong, I like Obito and I'm glad he got a sort of "happy" ending. But I like him as an antagonist with an unwavering resolve who sticks to his principles. We need more antagonists or villains like that.
>>288234087Holy SHIT. Look at that fucking panel spread. It's so clean and uncluttered. I can barely even read the manga anymore, it's way too busy and the art sucks now too.
>>288236219My favorite cliffhanger is the one with the mysterious silhouette. Oda has mastered the art of silhouettes in these 29 years.
>>288236219That's the issue with a weekly manga
Toriyama doesn't care about retcon and just go together with it.Oda needs to maintain his image "the guy who foreshadowed everything" to his manchildren fans so when he retcon things it gets obnoxious. For example for nika introduction we got stupid whowho's backstory, after it kuma joined nika church backstory and after it giants scream "nika" in every fucking panel.
>>288236227I feel like Obito could've been one of those villains, he's one of the few who had the proper development for that. but again, Kishimoto decided to insert Madara in this story, as well as Kabuto, and then he brought back Itachi so he could have had a couple more words with his brother, and I also found that unecessary.Thank God, he kept Jiraiya dead. Not even at his peak of insanity Kishimoto thought that was a good idea.
>>288236248other chapters end midcombat for example while this nigger Oda will put some mystery nigga at the end of a chapter while a fight is going on just to blueball the reader. I expect him at some point to have luffy g5 fighting someone and use his rubber ability to turn some black object into a rubber human, call him Gomu Gomu No Cliffhanger and then start telling his story so the enemy and reader are confused as to "why does the next chapter start with that rubberman flashback?"
>>288233515>4. Jinbei is not being handled properlyYeah - the fat figger hasn't been dropped at the bottom of the ocean.
>>288235090Franky has the same problem almost every fucking crewmember has. Once they join it's all over, they become flat as a board, screaming a few canned phrases once in a while and that's it. Even the banter is all canned and boring now.
>>288233515>Time Skip flanderisationLoose agree but this is redundant with the third point>Haki > Devil FruitI can only mainly agree with Armament. Most of the time it's just redundant with a character being physically stronger than their size and bulk suggests, and when it isn't it's mainly a lazy way to deal with devil powers without an interesting or well-grounded clash.Conqueror's and Observation are much better but not perfect. Overall it's more the lack of nuance to Haki and the fact that it feels more arse-pully than the rest of Oda's writing. Oda, like most mangaka, makes up a lot of stuff when he goes along while juggling it with his plan for the series. He's done a magnificent job overall, and I think Haki is just his one biggest whoopsie on the job. He set up Conqueror's and Observation well, Armament less so, but didn't plan or get systematic enough for what would become such a big part of his setting.>Jinbei not handled properlyIn what way seperate from the earlier character complaints?>Vivi and Yamato should have joinedVivi should have had a more active role but I like her reuniting for the last few arcs mainly. Yamato is one of my least favourite characters so hard pass, ditto Carrot and Law. Now for Oda's real mistakes post-TS:1. Artstyle degradation. Way more blobby balloony characters, much less restraint. The excuse that "it's the New World, of course it's off the wall" doesn't work when a) characters and locations outside the NW are just as whack, and b) the craziness doesn't feel at all intimidating or even that piratey at times. This is not to say most of Oda's artwork is bad, far from it, but the rate of stupid looking designs has risen.2. Shitty outside-audience appeal characters like Law, Yamato, Carrot. These are just pandering to certain demographics that like hot bishie woobies, transoids with towering height and tits, and furries respectively. Nothing wrong with loosely appealing to these tastes but creating and forcing
>>288236232Less is more is an adage oda should return to
>>288233515>>288236375cont.... creating and forcing central characters with X trait as their main definer is just cheap and lousy, a distraction from the point of the story. Law is the mildest case insofar as he was just a cool design for a Supernova that accidentally struck obsessive fanbase gold, but he's also precisely the worst for starting this trend.3. Loss of all normal arcs and the saga structure of the pre-TS in favour of a relatively small number of visited islands that take forever to wrap up. Pre TS:>Dawn Island>Shells Town>Orange Town>Syrup Village>Baratie>Conomi Islands>Loguetown>Twin Capes>Whiskey Peak>Little Garden>Drum>Alabasta>Jaya>Skypiea>LRLL>Water 7>Enies Lobby>Thriller Bark>Sabaody>Amazon Lily>Impel Down>Marineford22 islands, discounting splitting hairs like Island of Strange Creatures, the Sea Train arc etc.Post-TS:>Sabaody>Fishman Island>Punk Hazard>Dressrosa>Zou>Totland>Wano>Egghead>Elbaf>???10 islands assuming we'll go somewhere else after Elbaf, again not splitting hairs over Onigashima, Green Bit, dividing Totland up etc.. So in a story half that's longer, we have less than half as many islands. This is due to bloat in writing and poor pacing and not because the islands are richer in content.4. Overly sidelined characters. Usopp and Chopper, Smoker and Tashigi, Sakazuki, DRAGON, Crocodile, Ener. You can't say you're putting all of these characters off 90% until the final arc, it's just wearisome.5. Young Shakuyaku is less hot than older Shakuyaku, and as cool as they both are neither of them warrant the kind of bizarre, disgusting humiliation fetish content stuff we see in the Rocks-Roger flashback. Just totally undermined most of the men in that arc, even my boi Rayleigh is softened a little. Oda's taste in women, and weird attitudes towards them (what the fuck is up with the wives shit in Elbaf?!) has become annoying in a way it wasn't pre-TS.
>>288236505>Half the islands compared to TS>Double the soap opera/drama between charactersit balances out i guess
>>288236129>He had no reason to be the mastermind behind the entire plotlineMadara never was the mastermind of anything, he was merely led to believe it.>What the fuck was Madara's purpose in that story?Being a smokescreen.
>>288236129>Kishimoto was a stupid brain dead retard for thinking he needed insert more into an already kind of confusing story.bro that's the proof as to why you aren't a creator, he just wanted to flex his OC donut steal who was on par with the first hokage, he unlocked the rinnegan unlike others who just found it, his susano is bigger than yours, he's so cool omg and so edgy and he beats everyone without even trying.
>>288233515How did you miss the biggest sin of PTS, the God-God fruit retcon?
>>288236720>>Double the soap opera/drama between charactersAnd yet despite that amount, the Luffy and Usopp conflict was still the best character drama in this manga anyway.
>>288233515>1. Time skip flanderization.You don't know what that word means.>2.Haki > Devil fruits.Powerscalers and systemfags should be shot on sight.>3. Strawhats feel 1DNot any more than they have since the start of the series.>4. Jinbei is not being handled properly You're gonna need to explain to me what handling him properly looks like.>5. Vivi and Yamato should have joined Ironic bait is still bait.
>imagine having the big bad finally show up and fight after 8 years>All focus on him and stopping him after he ran train on the protagonists>insert a second flashback that's tangential to it and has to do with another princessOda lost his mind.I dont think even Kubo has ever made such a disastrous shift in tone. I could think of at least 2 earlier places for this flashback
>>288235369Yamacutie.
>>288237027remind me again how many times both aizen and ewok got into fights before they got defeated
>>288237027>Oda lost his mind.he'll truly lose it when he'll give us a Imu flashback while there's an Imu vs Joyboy flashback while there's an Imu vs Luffy currently going on.
>>288237058Like 5 times each?
I mainly miss the cleaner art and when he drew Luffy with some muscle when he hit people. Much more impact.
>>288237130>last and first time in a long while that there was a punch with similar impact was Kuma's punch on SHARTurnGrim Piece...
>>288234087You will never have this again. Oda is not only a fraud but a liar, saying he can't do such paneling anymore, lazy shit just makes shitty chapters for anime conversion.
>>288237145Quite grimmy
Narutards keep whinging but the correct term to use if you wanted to be validated was >flashback namek You newfags don't even know how to speak anymore
>>288233871It's not that Oda changed, his editors became yes men and didn't wrangle is weaker ideas.
>>288236131Wano sucked ass and is easily the worst arc
>>288233515I don't know how much it's brought up but my main tilt nowadays is the fact that the Straw Hats don't even have outfits anymore.They just cosplay and wear mascot park costumes every time they hop on a different island.Does Oda feel like he's Araki/Toriyama? He fucking sucks at making cool clothes.
>>288234889 Doesn't Imu need a weapon to vaporize an island? As far as I know, Vegeta can destroy the surface of a planet, like the meteorite that killed the dinosaurs
>>288236318 I would have loved to see more interactions between the crew. When Franky joined, I thought he would be a mentor to Usopp, teaching him how to take proper care of a ship and improve on his devices (helping him improve Nami's staff which Usopp made, or having Usopp be the one that made Sanji's invisibility suit). Or have Sanji help Chopper improve the flavour of his medicine or something.
>>288236375>I can only mainly agree with Armament. Haki used to be more subtle. Luffy showed great observation when he saw which person would be a good crew member (and when he decked the real Mr. 3 among his wax clones) and showed great conqueror's haki when he reinvigorated their hopes and brought people toghether to follow him. Nowadays, Conq haki feels just like a videogame mechanic; an AoE stun for fodder and a buff for hits.
>>288233515>1. Time skip flanderization.>3. Strawhats feel 1DThese aren't separate points.>>288237653>They just cosplay and wear mascot park costumes every time they hop on a different island.How else is Oda gonna sell merch if there's not an outfit themed after every island?
>>288233515>1. Time skip flanderization.You mean more focus on the story that has been building up instead of focusing on building the characters which was done in pre-ts during the story building phase?>2.Haki > Devil fruits.Haki was an unfortunately needed balance to devil fruits because you can't expect Luffy to pull out another gimmick in every single fight against logia users, it'd have grown as tiresome as the haki wank has anyway, so tomato potato and so on.>3. Strawhats feel 1DTry reading the story instead of just looking at the pictures.>4. Jinbei is not being handled properlyJinbei is the only Strawhat that was "complete" when he joined, which is why he feels like an afterthought to most. There's not much need for growth. Ironically, before Jimbei, people said the same about Franky because he's the closest thing to a "complete" character aside from Jimbei.>5. Vivi and Yamato should have joinedNo, they shouldn't have. Vivi had her kingdom and Yamato had her duty as Wano's protector as long as she decided to emulate Oden; Her literal only character development can be either to shed the Oden persona and be herself, or to do what Oden couldn't: Stay in Wano and protect it.
>>288238042>building the characters which was done in pre-ts during the story building phase? I wouldn't mind that if the characters didn't take up space that could be dedicated to fleshing out the story better and improving the quality of the pages.>you can't expect Luffy to pull out another gimmick in every single fight against logia users I would have liked to see more teamwork rather than gimmiky 1v1s or haki clashes. Think of how they beat Luffy Oars in Thriller Bark. They all worked together to push the giant enemy around and use the enviroment to their advantage (breaking his neck with the giant bell)
>>288235491He was fated to be relevant from the moment he was the one to get Luffy out of his suicidal depression and all the saves he pulled through Impel Down and Marineford. Now he being interesting is another thing.
one piece.....of shit! LOL
>>288238042goode post
>>288238042Retarda could balance logias by making their element modes tax stamina. After say 10 minutes Ace cant turn into fire without dying afterwards.
>>288235090Give him a stat spread
>>288235919jinbe's actually fucking based. he's simple and noble. love that fish nigga.
>>288239168This runs into the same problem as all "stamina systems" of their kind, which is that they such and are intensely ghey.In read media including comic books and graphic novels etc. there is no real concrete way to express that timing. The rate at which the story enhances is entirely at the reader's own pace. It takes unimaginably vast amounts of work to create effective stakes based on this, and Oda has not only never gone to this level of effort (his best work doesn't lean on that anyway) but he also lacks the long-term consistency for it to carry in a story as sweeping as One Piece.It also typically sucks in most watched media, animation and live action alike, because most watched media are not literally 1:1 in timing and shows like 24 are the exception, again taking huge amounts of work to convey and with many necessary strictures that One Piece couldn't cope.Lastly, even in video games where stuff like "10 minute time limit" arguably originated and gained traction as a conceit, it still largely sucks most of the time. Most of the time the fight is so easily stomped by the powerup that the time limit is irrelevent, and when it isn't you feel really shitty for wasting it early in the fight, but also like shit for hodling it until the last leg where you don't even need 10 minutes away. If the player character is worthlessly weak without the power then that just means "win every fight in 10 mins lol" which isn't necessarily what everyone wants from a game, and if that isn't the case then people will often neglect the 10m powerup entirely "just in case they need it later" and will git so gud with the base form that it doesn't matter. Watching this play out on a screen or reading it on a manga page is hardly an improvement.In summation, muh stamina system may seem intuitive at a glance, but in practice is almost always cancer, and I should add it to the list of things post-TS One Piece does wrong. The only exception is *SHORT* timers, like 10s long.
I like Jinbe because his plight to free the Fishmen is similar to the struggles of my people (African Americans).There, I fucking said it...Don't bully me.
>>288239371*suck not such*advances not enhancesI really shouldn't poast while off sick
>>288236375>>288236505Law was great though. Why don't you like him?
>>288233515>Yamato should have joinedOh no, terrible cringe character coming from nowhere and introduced at the last moment. Good thing that bitch never joined and her only useful thing is the porn.
>>288233515Naruto has ruined One Piece forever because of it's terrible influence on the industry, Oda is turning One Piece into Naruto because Shonen Jump executives believe it's the blueprint of the industry to follow. We will never get the actual real ending of OP because of Nardo who ruined all shounen forever. Thank you Nardo, fuck you forever!
Hello, only 20 days left to vote for Ulti!
>>288239472also I voted for Black Maria on my phone
>>288233515>Jinbei is not being handled properlyyeah he should have been chopped into sashimi and fed to chopper
>>288236129Black Zetsu was the mastermind behind everything.
>>288234179Im 20+ years deep lil bro, I won't stop now, just know I think One Piece is flawed. I will be the testimony of both reading it and to have valid criticism
>>288234428>I only experience it once and don't relook at how the entire narrative shifts with the new info presented>I will continuously bitch about given context and not given pointless aura farming and fight scenes>Despite the entire series having flashbacks, I am mad about FlashbacksCan you just leave and take your tiny salty nuts elsewhere?
>>288239487>Black MariaI still cannot believe this aryan goddess is a filthy Wanoese
where is the chapter?
robin kino soon
>>288239515That was revealed at the very end of the story. It still doesn't excuse Madara being that involved in this story. Zetsu and Kaguya were also dropped out of nowhere into the story, but at the very fucking end.Before Zetsu was revealed as the mastermind all we knew about him was that he was part of Madara.Madara is who we see brain washing the kids, giving them eyeballs so they can continue his plan, a plan he doesn't know shit about himself. It's just stupid, the character made no sense and almost ruined two of the best plot lines the manga had (Nagato and Obito's).
>>288233968I really hope we find out that that's just a transformation that he uses to appear like a cringe edgelord and not his actual appearance Blobmu was far better
>>288239655Doesn't One Piece have enough wackadoos to sattisfy you already? Every other panel is one a drooling retard with a gaped mouth and hippopotamus teeth. 1000+ chapters of that shit, your quota should've been fulfilled already.
>>288237164I just noticed the cigar in mid-air, fuark Oda’s art used to be so good.
>>288239576sunday, bitch!
>>288239596crazy to think that 22 years passed between the ohara incident and reinion in story, and it's been 20 since enies lobby itself now. damn i'm old
>>288234875If anything the problem is that characters are too powerful The elephant cock guy could have soloed all of East Blue and probably Crocodile and all of Alabaster too and he was a random middle manager
It's funny how Oda has made his fanbase accept sweeping retcons that change the whole setting by shoving them in flashbacks and cover stories. He can just pretend he meant to do all of this all along and they'll slurp it up.
>>288239711Gonna re-read One Piece when I'm in my 80's and re-process some of the huge timespans in the story. Feels like it'll be even more majestic in that context.
>>288235724Jinbe is a man struggling with the oppression and issues of humans and fishman. The flashback for Fisher Tiger and Otohime was about Jinbe and his loss and issues.He seeked to defend his people until he went along with his idol, Fisher Tiger, with his adoptive younger brother and his gang to be pirates to defy the World Government for it's slavery.He is burdened with the guilt of the East Blue because his actions to bring peace and equality to Fishman Island so that the dream of their people could be recognized and join the World Government lead to Nami's abuse and enslavement of 10 years by Arlong, having taken the position of Warlord to free him as well and serve the Government who won't go after the fishman slaves.He then garners protection from Big Mom in the two years since, another character who cares about "Equality" except for the wrong reason as it's simply "Tyranny of Equality under me" that even Charloette Praline is ready to ditch despite marrying Jimbe's second in command.Jinbe's entire concept for supporting Luffy is also because he promised Ace before being taken away for execution was to help and protect Luffy; which he does due to recognizing and believing in him due to the events of Impel Down - Marineford.Jinbe's entire character to support Luffy is because of a promise made to Ace, to protect his brother; Otohime, to harbor no hate and to free the fishmen from their guarded exile and to be able to see the world; and Fisher Tiger, who told him not to hate humans despite everything as it's not their fault for not knowing better. Jinbe is a watchful guardian for the crew, only now just getting into the madness of the crew with an air of responsibility to ensure his new friends are safe.
Luffy ate the raws...
>>288236505>CrocodileOda sidelined the shit out of my boy. I like the new characters, but the older ones need attention too.
>>288239783good fucking post. power level shitters can't accept that jinbe is WAY more nuanced than most strawhats, INCLUDING zoro.
>>288239855How so? He's in Cross Guild and doing things. That's better than most of East Blue and shit.
jinbe is fat and boring and ugly
>>288239783Flawed characters are interesting.Underdogs are endearingCharacter development is funSeeing somebody experience something for the first time is excitingFat Fish Fag is the exact opposite of all of this. He is a boring Mr. Perfect who is skilled enough for every occasion and has sailed the New World for so long that his """adventure""" with the SHs is just the same old shit he did all his life. He has no more potential for further growth cause he already finished all his development long before ever meeting the SHsWhat a boring, pointless piece of trash of a charcacter
btw where's the chapter?
>>288233515I think it's popularity was it's own undoing.think about how much merch there is and how much it influences the writing.You can't have high stakes because then you might estrange some of the fanbase.So what do you do? keep it predictable.The straw hats ALWAYS come out on top no matter what.Before the timeskip, the straw hats did in fact lose and were scattered across the seas, and when we thought Ace had been saved, he sacrifices himself to save Luffy.Now they never lose no matter how dire the situations seem.Even the onigashima arc was predictable despite the amount of eye candy the fights were.Luffy loses 3 times? no problem, he's gonna come out on top and no one on the crew is going to die.Even if Jimbei dies it wouldn't feel devastating because even now the first thing to come to mind when someone says jimbei is warlord, not straw hat.
>>288239863>power level shittersThey know. They just pretend to be retarded to spam the same boring shitposts. It's the same boring doomcuck characterfag that do it, which is why the threads are so stale.>>288239905Speaking of which, nice botpost, boring faggot.https://desuarchive.org/a/search/text/Flawed%20characters%20are%20interesting.%20Underdogs%20are%20endearing%20Character%20development%20is%20fun/
>>288239936>jinbe is le straight man! he wor-Vivi was the straight man before him, and her temporary inclusion wasn't nearly as forced. Plus, she knew jack shit about the seas and what they entailed. That made her just as a much of a novice as the Straw Hats. Fat Fish Fag had his adventure. Almost nothing is new to him. Got any questions? Refer to Fat Fish Fag. He'll tell you everything before you even venture and figure it out for yourself. Helmsman? We didn't need one. It's no secret that him performing tricks with the Sunny was a desperate attempt by Oda to have him joining make any sense. Fat Fish Fag could have been a support. An ally. Someone cheering Luffy on from the sidelines. I mean, all Fat Fish Fag is is a boring Luffy cocksucker and that's ALL he is. And then when the war ensues, have him fight on Luffy's side as his cocksucker. I fucking hate Fat Fish Fag and the people who try so vainly to justify his existence on the Sunny
Oda is old, he has been doing this shit for 30 years
>>288239909>>288239824
damn, dorry's VA died right at the start of elbaf. rip :(
SOMEBODY POST SPOILERS ALREADYI'LL SUCK YOUR DICKI'LL EVEN EAT YOUR FUCKING SHIT
>>288239855Knew that'd get your attention! How's tricks man?
>>288240120
>>288240065How much of Dorry's voice lines has he recorded before checking out? Was he spared the worst of this arc?
>>288240120spoilers have been out since yesterday dumb fucking nig
>>288235302Yamato is a man!
>>288240140I'm doing fine, what about you? I haven't seen you post for a while.
>>288236375>Way more blobby balloony characters, much less restraintI've been saying this for years, felt it since Moriah and TB and it's gotten so much worse. Sure there were weirdos before, but never to this degree, it's really self-indulgent.>Shitty outside-audience appeal characters like Law, Yamato, CarrotFuck yeah, all of these feel like editor darlings and key jingling memes to "expand readership". Law particularly reeks as someone made for the Naruto and Bleach audience. He is not a terrible character but he ate the lunch of so many others cuz he was popular and he still doesn't register as much of anything to me.>>288236505Skypiea is shorter than Punk Hazard. Vegapunk's speech is longer than the whole Whiskey Peak arc. The pacing has gotten so monstrously out of control. It is THE worst pacing on any medium I've ever interacted with and the reward isn't that amazing. It actually blows my mind how bad it's gotten and it's even worsein the anime.
>>288240503Carrot is because Oda is weirdo who likes anthros thats all
>>288240536actually we know carrot is a direct result of oda's furry editor at the time
>>288239783Cool, he's still boring as shit and doesn't add shit to the crew.>>288240556Beat me to it. She was pushed hard for a while and I'd even say he had a little more chemistry with the crew than the fanbase would give her credit for because fer stans are pure cancer. Oda then just didn't give a shit about her and dropped her like a sack of bricks, like he does with most everything kek
Law is the reason Dressrosa happened and him in Wano is because he is the reason Tardfy wanted to fuck with Kaido
>>288240609Luffy's plan as soon as he got to New World was beat all the yonko in nearly any order so long as Shanks wasn't first
Can anyone give a single valid reason why someone like Rocks had never been mentioned by anybody at any point in the story prior to Wano despite how wide-reaching his actions were and how many characters we've met were alive during his peak?
>>288236954Water Seven is so fucking good. The crew's inter personal conflict is so much better than the endless lore vomit waterfall Oda has buried us under. With the exception of maybe Nami, I can't think of a better time for every member of the crew.>>288240673Easy, because jingling lore keys didn't use to be as important as it is now and he was made up as Oda went along.
The over-goofiness in recent designs is a very valid complaint, he even has to do it to intimidating designs like Loki(His dumbass tongue, Nidhogg being fat), and Shamrock/Garling(The boots/pants the HKs wear are overdesigned and undermine their colonial soldier design).
>>288240631That wasnt a plan just a dumb impulse
>>288240744I wouldn't say "recent" designs, I think it really got kicked into gear with those Impel Down zoan guards and Ivankov. Sure, OP monsters and characters were always sort of goofy and cartoony, but yeah it's gotten a little all-encompassing and any and all signs of sleekness are usually undermined with some Doraemon shit. Just compare Chopper's forms pre and post TS. It's worlds apart.
>>288240802play semantics all you want, Luffy already decided to beat Kaido before he ran into Law on Hazard
>>288240932There's a whole ass arc between "as soon as they enter the New World" and meeting Law youngblud, and deciding to fight all the Yonko was closer to the latter.
>>288240932Luffy had no clue who Kaido was until Law told him. Luffy is a dumb piece of shit in over his head.
>>288240696Even the roof they're sitting on looks good. It has volume even black and white. Nu Piece landscapes are all flat.
>>288240503Law is so overrated.
>>288240503Law is underrated. We need 10 more years of him with the Strawhats.
>>288233515>>288238042On the topic of Haki > DF, I think Oda should've really done more of the "natural" DF counters. Rubber > electricity, magma > fire, and it doesn't even need to be DF vs DF, such as Croc being weakened/vulnerable to water. I'm rereading OP but this stopped being a thing really quickly. I can't remember when it came into play again post-TS aside from in WCI where Cracker's biscuits were made soft from Nami's rain and Big Mom's soul soldiers were susceptible to Brook and his soul shenanigans. Really a missed opportunity.
>2 OP threads upBased shoes how well liked and respected it is
>>288242946>shoes
>>288240673>>288241032It's worth pointing out how absurd the idea of Luffy not knowing what Kaido looked like and the world forgetting about Rocks is when you remember that both Rocks and Kaido had wanted posters that were spread in newspapers. Gets even more silly due to the fact that both also had some of the highest bounties ever. The Strawhats compare bounties each time they're updated yet none of them have ever bothered to look up the wanted posters of the emperors. Obviously this is because Oda doesn't want to spoil the impact of their introductions but it implies a high level of stupidity across the whole crew as opposed to just Luffy.
I know I'm a retard for feeling this way, but Brook having an imminent SECOND tragic backstory cheapens the Laboon storyline. He gets reunited with a long-lost acquaintance he knew long before Laboon with zero build up. You could not pay me to care about Gunko.
>>288243101you're right, you are definitely a retard
When will we get GEAR DEATH?
>>288243346When Nika can no longer laugh.
>>288243346Imu is already using gear death. The only thing left after gear 5 is top gear (which he'll need to defeat Blackbeard) then reverse gear, which will allow Luffy to go back in time and defeat Imu before the void century, becoming the Joyboy we know of now
>>288234559It's worth noting that Enies Lobby is notably a step down from the previous arcs and the only highlights to it are where the arc ties into water sevenIf you read the original things it does it's all retarded
>>288240503Second attempt typing this post because 4chan ate the first:>I've been saying this for years, felt it since Moriah and TB and it's gotten so much worse.Spot on this, and with Moriah et al there was at least the excuse that the setting was campy goofy horror. What reason is there now for half the cast of Wano to have visible Fragile X Syndrome? Whole Cake Island was really the second coming of TB in this sense - the depiction of the Beast Pirates could not be more different before and after that arc, genuinely menacing on Zou vs. a pack of jokes once the plot finally reached Wano.>Fuck yeah, all of these feel like editor darlings and key jingling memes to "expand readership". Law particularly reeks as someone made for the Naruto and Bleach audience.Fucking beautiful wording, 10/10 roflzzz. Was going to say something very similar earlier in the thread to a Law defender - there isn't much ""bad"" to say about him so much as a yawning vale of anything interesting or original. He's a perfect bland and inoffensive lightly-edgy self insert character, and it's such a shame since he first started off interesting as a smug douchey surgeon guy before muh serious backstory. Everyone Oda gives a newspaper boy cap to turns crap.>Skypiea is shorter than Punk Hazard. Vegapunk's speech is longer than the whole Whiskey Peak arc.WAT? I meean, I had been informally referring to subsections of post-TS arcs as being "arcs" in themselves, like the Colosseum, Corazon flashback and birdcage parts of Dressrosa etc. but I didn't realise it had become this bad. Mind you though, I can say that late Homestuck (anyone else an HSer?) got this bad. Was just talking about it earlier and yeah that webcomic has a surprisingly similar decline (albeit much faster).
>>288234582Vivi had an amazing role as a diplomat, actually. Her lecturing Luffy on not handling things properly in Drum Island was fantastic. I agree that she shouldn't have been made part of the crew. Not only because of her entire character arc, but also because Vivi would have inevitably been flanderized to death like every straw hat and I would like her a lot less by now lolAlso, she wasn't even originally meant to be that hot, both her and nami had that 'girl next door' vibe.
>>288240503>tfw you realise this Franky looks like Rocks
>>288243430>which he'll need to defeat BlackbeardTop cherry pie bro. Everyone knows Chadbeard is going to murder Imu.
>>288235902I wish Sanji was a real character at leastThe ENTIRE arc of Wano being about people being starved to death by ruthless tyrants that never had to face hunger and Sanji not having A SINGLE LINE about this was the last straw for meBut of course Oda had time to include him using the technology he hated from his parents to spy on nude women
>>288234875Damn, still so weak? Shame.
>>288243101If OP hadn't been stretched to oblivion, then Sanji and Brook's second backstories probably would have gotten more details lined up instead of vague mentions till they happen.
>>288236034>>288236076>>288236129Obito was good when he was still Madara before he got retconned into being an irrelevant naruto clone fag that died in a flashback and became bitter
fuck off narutards
>>288243691The Man Who Was Cucked To Death Twice.As much as people complain about Kaguya destroying Madara's buildup, Madara did the same exact thing to his fake self.
>>288239462I quite like this ship
>>288233968bruhi cannot unsee this
>>288243747Yep, it was so retardedTobi actually being Madara and the mastermind was fantastic, his mask breaking when fighting Konan and showing his old, shriveled face was great. You had this sense of an ancient lurking evil that was doing all it could to hold on to life
>>288233515WCI is a top 3 arc in One Piece, Egghead top 10. The only major fault of Timeskip One Piece is the clunky introduction of Nika
Any man with a sensible self can grasp, unknowingly, the feeling or essence of piece of media, and turn it into a model which he can then use to emulate different scenarios. This is why people do fanfics, for instance.If you do that to One Piece you'll realize early piece and late piece are fundamentally completely different. From chapter 1 all the way to Enies Lobby~Sabaody more or less is one story, and then from that point onwards it slowly becomes entirely different.If you reread the early chapters, you'll notice how every character has a lot of nuance, and how magical everything feels. And I don't say that out of nostalgia either since I read One Piece for the first time relatively recently.I just can't imagine early Luffy acting like late Luffy, for one.
>>288243937Oda saw all the series coming and going in Jump and decided, instead of finishing One Piece and moving on to another project that could get axed, he'd just write new manga and shoehorn in the Straw Hats with a few lore tidbits for interconnection and keep calling them One Piece.So we got a Gladiator manga, a Disney manga, an Alice in Wonderland manga, a Samurai manga, an Astro Boy manga, and now Vinland Saga.
>>288243101We already know Soul King Brook had a story before he became a pirate, rather a story why he became a pirate in case you missed the multiple times it is emphasized he was in the batt;e convoy before he turned pirate. And we got the Yorki pirate story twice thanks to Laboon and Brook stories being separated by a mile - unecessary. They died. The end. A single page should have been enough. Right? Thats how you like it. See, Franky had a past too but hat is never mention. Ergo, Oda always intended to show us this story of Brooks and it has narrative value. You should instead be thanking Oda for not giving us a Zoro flashback to his childhood and realizing he has distant realtives nor the whole Franky and his daddy story. Neither would have brought anything to the table other than them having relatives. Brook hasn't dropped lore on the Vinsmokes either- would've gotten boring. Instead Oda planned out something with the biggest bad's right hand girl. Brook also has a relevant df, underworld nickname and is the musician of Bink's Sake which has been implied to be a clue to the One Piece.
>>288244075
>>288244067I mean, it could be. It could also be that he himself changed as a person. It could be that his values were influenced (ex.: the faggots and all other degenerates were introduced around the era this happened and the story gradually changed from being grounded in honor, sacrifice and adventure to being grounded in sob stories and epic fights). It could be that his editors stopped trashing him, and that the shadow of Torishima finally worn off. It could be that he just got lazy due to fame and the lack of competition. Could be a combination of all of these.I don't really know what caused this
>>288233515>1. Mostly and most notable on Zoro, which is sad he was top tier pre time skip, lately he's been acting like a person tho, chopper also got hit hard but again, he's questioning shit lately. The rest stays the same or are upgraded like Sanji or Luffy, at least up to now.>2. I feel like they will end up being the same shit given how Mu's powers are being displayed. But devil fruits make the difference up to now, you just need your base top tier haki in the endgame, obviously.>3. Sadly, they most stayed the same.>4. IF he intended for Jimbei to be part of the crew from day 1 then nah. He already carried and now he's playing his part when needed. You could say the same about everyone but Usopp.>5. Nah kekHe did not know what the fuck to do at Wano, but he somehow managed to get his shit together. I'm impressed even, I'd given up hope, this is shaping up to be the epic I thought it would've been prior to that bullshit. I hope he doesn't lose his shit again.
Imu will be launched into space from the holy land. He's immortal, can shapeshift, has stupid demonic powers. Freezing the fucker in space is the only way to get rid of him. Oda about to pull a jojo.
>>288235302And you want a trans man to join? Over Vivi or carrot?
We will never get a scene like this ever again
>>288244222Is it me or Zoro's head got smaller after the time skip?
>>288244222>some fights aren't worth fighting1000 chapters later>REEEEEEEEEEEEE WHAT DID YOU SAY ABOUT SHANKUSU ROKI YOU CHAINED UP WEAKENED PRISONER??? I'LL KILL YOU WHERE YOU SIT!!!!!
>>288235809Isn't kratos not that strong
>>288244279He's stronger than all of multiple mythologies.
>>288244253His neck and shoulders became a lot bigger, he used to be proportioned like a human
>>288244258Or even earlier. Luffy falls to Big Mom's bait and fucks everything despite taking bait is what killed Ace. Meanwhile Sabo didn't fuck up.
>>288244322When discuss pre/post-ts differences I've heard retards legitimately describe post-ts Luffy as more mature and less hot-headed because he saw Ace die. Sometimes I wonder if the difference between average and below average is really that great. It's like they can't interpret the things they see at all.
>>288244299Something bothers me about Zoro's post time-skip design, his head looks too small. It's shame, he used to be one of my favorite characters.
>>288244290>He's stronger than all of multiple mythologiesThat all job to Jesus
>>288243101>Brook having an imminent SECOND tragic backstory cheapens the Laboon storyline
>>288244400Yes, congratulations, you have shown that Brook existed prior to the Rumbar Pirates' voyage. This is not the issue.
>>288243101Same thing with Sanji. We didn't need the vimsmoke stuff
>>288244258>>288244322>>288244358Early Luffy was childish and funny, but he was also the most dignified character in the entire manga; he had this esoteric feel of superiority without needing to say anything, and had a perfect emotional understanding of everyone around himLike in Baratie, first we see that Sanji gets visibly bothered by Zoro's determination to die for his dreams. And then when Sanji wanted to die protecting the ship, Luffy seemingly out of nowhere started destroying it instead. It's an understated moment that showcases great depth to Sanji's character and how Luffy perfectly understands him through his actions, and responds adequately, even though it might seem crazy and contradictory on the surface because Luffy went to crazy lengths to protect the treasures of others in other arcs. You will NEVER get a moment with as much nuance as that in the post-timeskip lol
>>288244447>sanji: i'll never wear one of your suits, i'm nothing like you>ends up wearing one of those suitsAwful writing.
>>288244496>I will never lose again!!>loses every arcMan between Zoro and Sanji I don't see why Usopp gets so much shit for being a liar now that I look back.
>>288233515Go to ramdom forum/reddit/4chan/discord >full of Indians powerfagsLord almitghy have mercy
>>288244570Over 70% of them have internet now, it's getting real bad.
>>288244447>after 900+ chapters, turns out sanji was a cyborg all alongI'm still processing this.
>>288244610the curry stench will be the push I need to leave 4chan forever
>>288244728White E-Flight is real...
>>288243937That art of Luffy and Zoro reminds me of Toriyama. No actual grays, just black and white.
>>288244496That’s not how it happens, retard. Did you speedread Sanji vs. Queen?>>288244567>loses every arcAlso not true. Zoro isn’t like Vegeta.
How long until we see Luffy's hybrid form?
>>288244827>erm ackshually that's not true, he only loses in most arcs, not every arcYeah I forgot the arcs he's away from the crew you got me.
>>288244827Did he wear the suit yes or no?
>>288244827Zoro wins almost all of his 1v1 fights and I can’t recall if he’s lost a fight with a swordsman since Mihawk.
>Captain! I swear I will never lose specifically 1 on 1 fights with people the narrator calls swordsmen! Group fights and fights with non-swordsmen don't count! Got a problem with that, Pirate King?!Zoro's famous quote.
>>288244875>loses in most arcsWhat fanfic are you reading?
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>>288244969Water Nika will drain the seas. It is known.
>>288244889You didn’t understand shit about Sanji’ dilemma if you can simplify it like that.Reread Sanji vs. Queen.
>>288239783notice how verything intersting about jimbe's character has already been xplored before he joined the crew to be a delivery man.
>>288244994Do you think the sea levels are the same on both sides of the Red Line?
>>288244937You live in fantasy world where Zoro is a jobber.
>>288245059Has Zoro lost since he made that declaration?
>>288244067The straw hats really felt like side characters in wano.
>>288234582>but hey he has an opportunity with ZazaOda wouldnt use him, he dont give a fuck about that kind of logical interactions, i mean, he didnt use Leo and Doflamingo
>>288245040Depends on how well Reverse Mountain works as a regulator I guess. It wouldn't be shocking if there were a difference, but I don't think it'll be mentioned or worked into the plot. Unless Luffy slurps everything from his side of the world and spits in into the other to make Fish World.
>>288245030Awful resolution to that conflict, as Sanji got gifted a power up with no downsides, making the choice to give up the raid suit weightless.
>>288244801Oda was heavily inspired by Toriyama, his art was fantastic because of thisY'know I really appreciate the over-the-top cartoon aesthetics it had, before he started to go more realistic and ended in an uncanny valley>>288245032How interesting Jinbei is as a character is contingent on how interesting Luffy is, and late Luffy is an unfunny retard
>>288245081You said a very obvious lie about Zoro losing every arc. I said he doesn’t. You either have a poor ass memory or have an agenda.
>>288245153Only thing I know is that One Piece is the only shonen worth a fuck in 2026.
>>288245230You're arguing against hyperbole because you can't argue against the real point, which is that Zoro lied. It's a very common tactic and you may not even be aware that you're doing it, but it's pretty retarded.
>>288245282Jjk blocks your path.
>>288245305How can he lie if he doesn’t know the future? Did he lose to Enel or Kuma intentionally?
>>288245359>JJK has mid reception >OP still has reception on par with Berserk Literally nothing compares lil bro
>>288245411He made a promise. He broke the promise. It's that shrimple home dawg.
>>288245282I don't disagree, it's just too bad it's going down as a regular shounen when it was more than that back then
>>288245282Kagurabachi aren't bad from what I heard.
>>288245282That's because there are fewer good things across all media. That's not to defend detractors or anything, but the competition all around has gotten worse. It's a boxing match between a veteran heavyweight and an endless stream of toddlers snuffed out in their cribs by Jump.
>>288245282That's bcaus it's the last one that you started reading as a teenager that's still going.
>>288246403Ippo is going too and I dropped that shit.
>>288246496I dunno what to said about Ippo, that shit was banger and then it transformed into a watered down Baki.
Why can't japs make a graceful exitThey always ruin shit with time
Carrot is shit
>NOOO! PANDAMAN! LET ME INTO THE TOP 100! I'LL SUCK YOUR DICK! YOU WANT ME TO EAT SHIT? I'LL EAT YOUR SHIT!
>>288247544LOL now that's a good one
>>288233968thatsthejoke.jpg
>>288239688nta but I want dignified royal twink. Not black ink blob or demon alien warlord
>>288247722>Back in my day we had 1 (one) song in the entire world
The whole manga was just a scam to watch Luffy, one of the shittiest manga MCs
>>288247875I still like Ichigo less. Zero personality.
>>288244937based and black-sword-paint-pilled
>>288235856>JJK and CSM remained of the same good quality (both art and writting) from start to end.
>>288248845There was a point in time I actually thought CSM was going to be good. Around the time Aki died I was convinced we were entering peak territory. The the rest of the finale happened. Then Fujimoto punched a pregnant retard in the stomach and part 2 slithered out.
>>288233968There's no coming back from this
>>288233968The (((Learned Celestial Elders of Zion))) whacked the original Oda and supplanted him with a no-name, faceless team of assistants on their payroll at Toei/Shueisha.
>time skip was only mediocre in 2 arcs and has been great in Elfbaf>Haki is necessary for characters like Roger and Shanks to be powerful against logia users without having to have everyone constantly using contrived 'weaknesses'>3 is right because too much focus is put on non straw hats but its not always the case, and the Jinbe complaint is incredibly miniscule>Yamato blows as a character (can tell you suck with this one) and Vivi would be so useless Usopp would look like Jinbe in comparison
>>288233839hes okay but I definitely want much more Akainu focus in a later arc and its not looking like that is gonna happen, hell with Imu doing all this shit rn I wouldn't doubt Akainu either drops off or becomes some minor fight for Luffy (sabo theories lack legitimacy)
>>288233880>calling BB a fraudhes literally one of the peak reasons OP is the greatest shonen of all time, hes perfect
>>288234565Wano dragged but parts of Onigashima were great and most of WCI was great, in general the yonko were solid
>>288233515Oda realised that he is running out of time. Miura dying might have spooked him and that he got scared that he might not finish One Piece before he dies.
>>288250295More likely it was Toriyama slamming his head into a desk or whatever. I don't think Oda is a degenerate shut-in im@s addict who needs to worry about an early grave like Miura.
>>288233515So he knows he can kill?
>>288250014All of his victories were offscreen, sans ganging up on an already dying WB
>>288233515>Yamatranny opinionKek
>>288233515So we all agree, Carrot is shit?1. Bland, safe-horny and forgettable design.2. No Haki, no original powers or cool weapon.3. Forced interaction through WCI.4. Shallow genki jailbait girl for furries, with autistic spammers, scatposters, futaposters, cuckposters, baraposters and Oda's worst editor as cultists.5. Should have never been made.I see why Oda regrets Carrot and she wasn't even worth a goodbye.
>>288252899>So we all agree, Carrot is shit?No.
Timeskip One Piece is a 6/10 manga if we're being honest.
>>288235856> CSM remained of the same good quality (both art and writting) from start to end.
>flashback>character is revealed to be part of a special bloodline>Imu/Gorosei show up>mother dies>miserypornThis is the current format. It's been like this for the last 4 flashbacks and now I'm sick of it
>>288235856>JJK and CSM remained of the same good quality (both art and writting) from start to end.>>>>>>>>Not only was JJK trash the whole way through, but CSM had significant drops in quality at multiple points during part 2, so every point you're making is wrong.
>>288237155>>288236391Modern OP manga is genuinely a dogshit reading experience. Infodumps all over the place and the fights are such a mess it's hard to understand what the fuck is even going on.
>Modern Enies Lobby>Enies Lobby is part of Water 7 (to save time (doesn't))>Robin flashback before we arrive>Robin flashback has a subflashback to the void century>Fighting >Oops forgot the Franky flashback>Franky flashback has a subflashback to Tom sailing with Roger>Tom flashback has a subsubflashback to explain the giant egg>fighting>shit this has gone on too long>Luffy makes a big fist and wins
>>288233515>1. Time skip flanderization.You started this series post time skip and more than likely skipped arcs.>2.Haki > Devil fruits.That's good>3. Strawhats feel 1DThat doesn't mean anything >4. Jinbei is not being handled properly That doesn't mean anything>5. Vivi and Yamato should have joined Vivi is a Strawhat >YamatoLmao
>>288234035>The flashbacks have always been there in One Piece and are the best meat of the storyThey were generally far more restrained until the timeskip>narrative flashbacks that move the plot like in One Piece.They almost never move the plot along lmao. Their only functional purpose is to give retroactive context to events that were already set in motion.But because they're retroactive, and because they almost never meaningfully recontextualize events which have already happened, they'll never be anything like as effective as if the story was just told fucking chronologically for once.
>>288254670You only feel this way because you started the manga after it already passed long flashbacks like say Noland's or Robin's. If you think Rock's flashback is too much you are delusional.
>>288253641>bro JJK is so bad they should have had more flash back arcs
>>288254706Both of those flashbacks were literally hundreds of chapters into the story, and Nolan's flashback in particular is the payoff to a question that was set up at the start of the previous arc. Hell, it's the entire reason they're able to travel to skypiea in the first place.I personally find water 7 quite boring, but the entire arc is a direct consequence of Robin's past (even if the direct implications of that for the setting and the previous behaviour of the characters is dumb) and therefore obviously Robin's past is a relevant payoff to the central questions of the arc. You can't have the payoff of the strawhats choosing to save Robin and Robin accepting the strawhats without that context.>If you think Rock's flashback is too much you are delusional.Rocks is mostly fine at a conceptual level, it's just stupid due to how it's forced to resolve the accumulation of dumb statements that Oda has made about the relationships between the pirates of the past.Something like it obviously had to happen, and given the circumstances the execution is mostly fine.Dressrosa and wano are by far the worst individual instances.Doofy's past and the past of the kingdom of dressrosa are completely tangential, and none of the reveals meaningfully change anything about our understanding of the circumstances or the characters besides the face that sits on the throne when luffy is done throwing punches.Oden spends a billion chapters getting wanked off, but all we learn about it after it was over is that there was someone who ruled wano before Kaido and a shitty food pun. It doesn't change the story, we already knew momonoske was royalty and we don't even see the relationship between momonoske and oden because it barely exists.Also in both instances the reveal is facilitated by ridiculous contrivance either through mass memory altering powers or time travel leaving the end result as awkward and janky.You can apply the same standard to fishman, egghead and whole cake
>>288243090to be fair the op world is highly segregated and few people have a full picture of the world. in the east blue devil fruits were considered a borderline legend, come the grand line and everyone has one. there's like three devil fruits shown before baroque works comes in and almost all of them have one.
>>288254706Anon, Rocks and Oden have entire volumes of pure flashback. Norland's fb is 6 chapters, Oden's is 14. Rocks' is 19 chapters long.
