What keeps me from taking Utsuro seriously is that the whole idea of evil in humanity feels completely out of place in the series. Most of the “evil” characters we saw were aliens, and they almost always had sappy tragic backstories to make us feel bad. Even the war portrayed humans more as victims than anything else, also it was very unexplored narrative-wise.Utsuro feels like an antagonist from a completely different story who got dropped into Gintama, the typical final villain with some “grand” or world-changing goal that writers introduce when they run out of ideas. On top of that, the Silver Soul arc is pretty mediocre, which doesn’t help when the main focus is dissapointing character.I know Gintama isn't particularly well-written, and the villains have always been mediocre. The final boss, being so disappointing, isn't surprising, but it's arguably the worst. Do any of the three anons that watch Gintama agree?
Takasugi was set up as the final boss before and he was human who wanted to destroy everything. We had other other major human bad guys throughout the series, actually they probably were the majority. I can kind of agree that Utsuro isn't that interesting of a final villain.
>>288238629The thing is, was Takasugi really “evil”? His main goal was to destroy the shogunate, since they were collaborating with the aliens and they are related to his sensei's death. His motives felt genuine; he wasn’t just destructive for the sake of it. He talked about "destroying everything", but was that really what he wanted? He didn't seem to have a plan, and his team were more like friends than specialized criminals.The only truly “evil” human I can think of is the fat shogun who wanted power at any cost, and even then, it didn’t feel like the rest of the royal family really supported him. You could argue that the people in power were the real villains, but Shoyo (at least from what we saw in his flashbacks) never felt particularly connected to that theme.It’s not necessarily a bad idea on paper, but in Gintama it just feels out of place.
>>288238567The final villains should simply have been the Tendoshuu and leader of the Amanto.
>>288238761>The thing is, was Takasugi really “evil”?Yes, even if later on they try to sanitize him a bit.>He didn't seem to have a plan, and his team were more like friends than specialized criminals.His plan was to overthrow the government no matter how many innocent lives are sacrificed, hard to say where he would go from there since sometimes he feels edgy for edginess sake.>The only truly “evil” humanThere are definitely more, like Mitsuba's fiancee but some do have sad backstories so don't know if you count them but then Sorachi even tried to give Hosen a more dignified ending that he deserved.>Shoyo (at least from what we saw in his flashbacks) never felt particularly connected to that theme.From a certain point view, Shoyo's brand of bushido is about the fight within yourself to overcome your weaknesses and try to be a better version, in contrast to him who at one point in the past becomes Utsuro out of despair and later on loses to him. In that sense he does work, since Gintama is about the soul.>>288238871I mean he is part of the Tendoshuu.
>>288238567>I know Gintama isn't particularly well-written, and the villains have always been mediocreyou're just too dumb for gintama, keep reading your fighting-the-evil-gods shonen.
>>288238567Don't post spoilers in the OP post.
>>288239148This too.But don't post in this thread that doesn't have the decency to not post spoilers in the OP
>>288239148gintama's villains are always the same: appears out of nowhere->sad past "I was weak! I wanted love!"->end(probably never appears again). Also it's an average battle shonen with 0 planning, those arent well-written
>>288239497Bad post, bad thread
>>288239238I'm sorry, I didn't know>>288239148I don't read that, I've never heard of a genre like that>>288238944Yes, Utsuro is somewhat similar to Gintoki, but his character and backstory are very underdeveloped. Overall, Silver Soul feels rushed, and this can be seen in other wasted characters like Ensho or Bansai.>>288239497Not all villains are the same, and many things are obviously planned, although it's true that many things aren't.>>288239511?
>>288239564>I'm sorry I didn't knowDelete the post and remake it with a spoiler image and spoiler textDon't spoil shit for new readers
The new Gintama movie got recently released in Korea and Gintama's first editor, Onishi, was there to promote it and he gave a few fun tidbits about the serialization.>Zura was going to be a rival character more like Takasugi but with Elizabeth's introduction he turned into mostly a gag>Elizabeth, Justaway and Takasugi were all going to be one offs>There was no real reason for Takasugi covering his eye initially>if the movie does well, he would like the next animated movie be about the kyuubei arc>when asked which character suits gintoki the most, he refrained from answering when it comes to girls since each has their fans, and that he enjoyed his dynamic with Zura>Hasegawa was going to be more important, even considered to join the yorozuya, but didn't because he was unpopular
Obvious endgame
>>288239892>Hasegawa was going to be more important, even considered to join the yorozuya, but didn't because he was unpopularRIP Madao
When I started the series way back when, I thought these two were going to be way more relevant. Like at least MADAO levels of appearances.
>>288238567Utsuro isn't really a character so much as he's "human karma" given form. People used him over and over, cast him out, no matter how many lifetimes he lived humans rarely changed. Shouyo sensei is a character, but Utsuro is different.The story is all about constructing things through bonds; the villains are almost always "people that want to destroy everything around them because they were wronged so much that they started to perceive the world itself as their enemy" It doesn't matter who they lash out at, because everyone around them is the same as their abusers, humans are all the same so it doesn't matter where you point your blade. Takasugi was similar originally, he saw everyone as his enemy for what they did to sensei, everyone, every civilian, not just the government. Eventually Takasugi got softened a lot so they had to replace him with someone who hated the world much more than him. Takasugi narrowed his revenge down to just the Tendoshuu ultimately.
>>288243451Pretty much, like his namesake, Utsuro is hollow without bonds, without love and its ultimately defeat by the bonds of Gin, Shouyo and Takasugi plus the people Gin bonded throughout the story. He isn't the most interesting character but it makes narrative sense as the final villain.
>>288244524I don't remember the three of them making love at the end
>>288244573Need to read the volumes, it was an extra chapter.
>>288242344Also, I used to think Elizabeth was also going to be a Yato to match Gin's old friends. Although personally his Renho origins is better than the actual Elizabeth.
>>288241134WRONG AND FLAT
>>288244811Sorachi wasn't even coy about it.
>>288241134Who the fuck wants to marry gorilla freeza? even poison ivy less evil than her.
>>288242254Hasegawa looks like Postal Dude.In fact he may even be one of the sucessful incarnations of the dude.
>>288245472>Who the fuck wants to marry gorilla freeza?
>>288245472Who wouldn't?
>>288244614How many fake official anime art is there with Gintoki and Hijikata fucking?
>>288246922Yes
>>288238567Don't reply to this threadSpoiler in the OPMake a new one
>>288239892>>288242254Shame. Hasegawa is the best character but it's understandable why he's not popular.
>>288239892>Zura was going to be a rival character more like TakasugiEven from their designs, you could say that Katsura's long silky black hair contrasts Gin's white silver, short, perm hair.
Best EDhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0cAJ1Cg8E8Best OPhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIbjgaWHo9g
>>288238567monkey hand?
>>288252383The hand of one the associates he just bonked.
*ptttttbbbbbbbb*
>>288239148This.
Thing noticed by nips, Kamui and Sougo are officially considered kids(even if they're 18) since the teru teru bozus of adults and kids are different in size.Westerners worried about Okikagu being pedo are in shambles.
>>288244795Eh considering that each of the joi 4 had their yatos(Gin with Kagura, Takasugi with Kamui and Sakamoto with Mutsu), Zura is the odd one.
>>288247619He's not a pretty boy
>>288253400They're 16 and 20 by the end of the series, really not that big of a deal.
>>288249601For me it'shttps://youtu.be/LzYV5kyGqwM?si=1HWTCCZeBAP9yFmohttps://youtu.be/425suicslao?si=kfYiSem16fRRdgiX
