>peaks at chapter 4Frieren won't prosper for long.
at least you've started cropping the image instead of posting the same one over and over, it shows some evolution in your charactermaybe one day you'll be able to make a thread where you think for yourself
>>288239746Frieren defenders have nothing to say for themselves, so they attack anyone who has criticism of it.
>>288240143dont like?dont watchnobody caresI just watch for the elf
>>288240143You didn't provide any criticism. All you said is >I'M BROWN AND TRANS AND I DON'T LIKE THISWhat is anyone supposed to do besides make fun of you.
>>288239746When every single thread and conversation about your anime is actually criticism of it, you need to be worried about it.
>>288241360lol, this isn't true on 4chan. 90% of threads are negative shitheaded ranting.
Solid 6/10 with a 4/10 story and 11/10 fap material
The OPM of the fantasy genre, some are saying
>>288242045handholding SEX with Linie...
>>288239746He posts the same shit literally every day. How janitors aren't banning him for spam is beyond me
>>288239746>>288240824>>288240933>>288241758Fine.>story repeats the same keynotes from the beginning chapters>entire arc and goal of the main character is to 'understand people', when characters in Frieren have no nothing to understand because they are all kindhearted, thankful and wise>little to no stakes>you can skip 3/4 of the chapters because nothing matters, they are glorified filler>manga is absolute dogshit, anime is saved by a very high production value in terms of music and animation>it is basically fantasy Azumanga Daioh that got misinterpreted into being a fantasy story for the otaku who grew up watching fucking isekai>world is basically an inconsequential MMORPG world without the game part, you have magic shops and snacks for the usual comic gags even in demon-infested wasteland>human-to-human violence is not allowed, because it'd be confusing if Frieren began murdering people, and all these super powerful mages somehow don't topple every government and rape and steal everything in sight>it is Berserk, except it has the moral depth of Barney The Dinossaur>the side-characters are awful, absolute dogshit with zero objectives for themselves, and even the Chuunin Exam here was a pillow fight because characters are not allowed to be evil>"most evil human" is depressed and keeps degrading himself, even though he is also a nice person>Himmel "The Hero" is basically simp Griffith, his entire ideology of not taking the world seriously and just have fun is the death of stakes>all "lessons" are just truismsIt is Barney The Dinossaur, except anime.
>>288242379>you have magic shops and snacks for the usual comic gags even in demon-infested wastelandyeah people living in the area of the world where super-powerful monsters are just wiping out entire mercenary parties doesn't really make a lot of sense.it's like if well-to-do people moved to detroit when they have so many more options, i know this is a medieval world but come on people leave their shitty situations all the time.>hey you know in the south all the monsters are shit and demons are rarei've pack my shit up and get the fuck out of the north.
>>288239746>>288240824>>288240933>>288241758Characters and characterization are the worst part of the series.>FrierenIncredibly gimmicky character whose only flaw is that she does not understand time because she is 'le immortal' and is coldhearted and indifferent. >Heiter"Le corrupt priest" whose only flaw is that... He drinks in moderation.>FernA psychopath who never once showed any thought about her home that was lost to war, and nothing is ever spoken about her past because it'd make people think.>StarkUtter piece of shit character, the apex of 'tell don't show' because he is a coward who is always brave, while rattling about that one time he got scared and ran away when he was 5 years old.>the Level 1 Mage Exam charactersEither goonbait, or the old man who turned out to be nice, like everyone.>Himmel The HeroAnime Mr. Rogers, self-insert by the incel protagonist who fantasizes that the girl that he simped for will one day want to fuck him if only she lives forever (she won't).If it wasn't for the production value, this would be a 1/5 IMDB, not the top anime.This being the top anime only shows people are willing to love a stool as long as the package is polished.
>>288242528>i've pack my shit up and get the fuck out of the northThere is an episode where Stark asks something like this, 'why won't people live' (even though, of course, the worldbuilding is shit and the problems are hardly ever shown), then he is provided with a non-answer truism like, 'Yeah, we put our people in high risk of death because (insert beautiful suicidal message here), and this place is precious to us'. Then nothing is spoken about anymore, because we need another gag about Frieren wasting people's money because the plot forces her to be selectively stupid and an antagonist for the boring team.It is baffling that this is never addressed because two chapters later, we discover an entire village that was massacred by demons, very close to the other idyllic village.Frieren would make infinitely more sense if they just revealed the world is an MMORPG. Everyone already acts like an NPC.
>>288242604maybe when they get to "heaven" they realize the world is a simulation and "heaven" is like the lobby or leaderboard or something.it wouldn't be the first time a show pulled "it was all a dream" bullshit.
>>288242534>goonbait>imbd>le>thinks a good charaxter needs tons of flaws>tell dont show>simpaverage frieren hater: zoomer with poor critical skills
I predicted this show would gain initial popularity before eventually declining to a middling level.
>>288242379>>288242534Damn this show makes people seethe bad.>Freiren isn't berserk so I don't like itThe show isn't about moral dilemmas you missed the point entirely. It doesn't have to expand world or character building in a way that you prefer for it to be well done. This is the same as your seethepost last week about how frieren needs rape and murder to be good. You included the points somewhat here too.>characters aren't emotional enough for meThe characters are Japanese at their core. Sorry it wasn't the normal caricature that you're used to. Tldr; filtered
>>288242534>This being the top anime only shows people are willing to love a stool as long as the package is polished.We already knew that, though, although admittedly it's been driving me to dispair lately.
>>288242604>worldbuildimg needs problems>0 media literacy (can't read subtitles)>doesn't undesrtand SoL, needs a linear plot with action and deaths>comparing it to videogames and npcsThe thing is, you want the series to meet YOUR expectations. This is typical of people with low IQs unironically, they can't appreciate something they don't like or don't understand. No, a world doesn't need dangerous conflicts. No, a character doesn't need to suffer or have multiple flaws to be good. No, "show, don't tell" isn't a plausible argument, especially not in this series. If instead of taking your opinions from youtube essays, tiktok, and imbd (seriously why new fans use that website or is just here? most good anime have max 1k ratings and the top 10 is naruto and dragon ball if you name that website you are showing us, not telling, thar you are a retard) you thought a little, and then made a comment that actually reflects what you're saying, it would make more sense instead of making the same crappy thread every 10 hours.
>>288242885what i don't get it why S2 feels so different>nice slow burn>introducing the characters>set to astonishing animation/musicfor me it really peaks in the demon arc, before the wizard exams. it feels like the anime of the decade right around there.season 2 feels flippant, rushed, tonally inconsistent with season 1, and oddly compressed. we get a lot of demons but most of them are only around long enough to get merc'd by Frieren and co.>the fight with the snake demon has none of the build-up or dramatic payoff the the Lugner/Linie fight had>weird jokes, most of the episodes feel kind of like jokes or joke set-ups, it gives the sense of no stakes/tension.plus they reused a lot of the music from the first season, often in ways that didn't seem to fit. i imagine the music was written with dramatic cues to match what's on-screen but when reused in another scene where the on-screen imagery is different., the music doesn't work as well no matter how good it is.
>>288242940The worst part is people complaining that I somehow missed the plot.Nigga, read the ******* manga, it is fantasy Azumanga Daioh that got completely misinterpreted by the adaptation, given high quality animation and direction, and now the showrunners are in a pickle because the manga plot has the depth of a Garfield comic strip.Witch Hat Atelier is being compared to it, but everything missing in Frieren is in WHA from the get-go. Frieren just doesn't take itself seriously, and unless you abide to complete suspension of disbelief, you can't enjoy it beyond chapter 5.
>>288243285I can't suspend my disbelief that you've been nonstop spam posting these threads forever
>>288243077>season 2 feels flippant, rushed, tonally inconsistent with season 1, and oddly compressed. we get a lot of demons but most of them are only around long enough to get merc'd by Frieren and co.Season 2 is not inconsistent at all, it is just the show that is way too vapid tp have more than 12 episodes.Either you enjoy the production value, or you should quit watching.They had a fancy ball just after the count's son somewhere was murdered due to constant demon invasions, they clearly don't care about anything.
maybe Game of Thrones is more your speed pal
>>288243285Your reply has nothing to do with my post. :(
>>288243350>demanding consistency is now demanding the story to be Game of ThronesI don't want the story to be the second coming of Berserk, just that the worldbuilding is internally consistent, that the characters have aspirations, and that the plot has stakes.One Piece has that. Game of Thrones isn't even the best example of any of this
>>288243395It has. You have every reason to despair.There is no description to the sheer mediocrity that Frieren will subject the genre to.
>>288239728I have no problem with SoL but Frieren tries to sell itself as if it's something else when it really isn't. The silly adventures of an elf and her dorky companions shouldn't go on for too long.
>>288242095It would have improved the story.
>>288243443>one piece and got as quality examplesim impressed
>>288243723Linie becoming a good demon that craves Stark's dick and becomes a valuable party member (to the irritation of Frieren and Fern) would have been kino.I just miss her bros.
>>288243975Compared to Frieren, they are masterpieces.https://youtu.be/68KrOZgmXZw?si=a5jAAvQ9VrT09rYM
>>288244077There was no need to be good, just manageable.
>>288242604Look, in real life there are people who refuse to leave their homes even as frontline evidently approaches their town and there is strong evidence that pitched fighting will last for months non-stop. Certainly, most run. But there is always someone thinking that he would survive the shitshow.
>>288240824i can respect someone who watches or reads frieren because then think frieren is cute. cant respect people who think its some masterpiece of storytelling however.
>>288242534>Fern>A psychopathShe's not even interesting or deep enough to be called that.I've never seen a character with less depth, variety and development over fucking 38 episodes than her.If TV static was an anime character it would be Fern.Stark would be the test picture.
>>288242972>doesn't undesrtand SoL, needs a linear plot with action and deathsBut that's what Frieren is. It is just shit at it. Also, a typical SoL series requires you to pay a lot more attention to what happens in any given episode than Frieren requires during its filler episodes, because it has an expansive recurring cast, where relationships matter, and characters regularly develop and/or reveal new things about themselves. I wonder if you actually read SoL, instead of using the term to deflect criticism.
>>288244132Frieren is anime Simpsons, except with worse characters.>>288244121I think this is the common ground for everyone in the thread.Frieren is fine, as long as you admit it is shit, and you only watch it because it is cute. It is like K-On, or Azumanga Daioh, a silly comic stripe that was turned into a smalltime serialized show.Except they gave it an insane high budget, marketed it like some melancholic story about overcoming grief, grifters began saying the characters are deep, then people watch it and it has less conflict and drama than My Little Pony.
>>288244132The only desire of Fern is that they don't waste that much time doing... Whatever Frieren wants to do.The worldbuilding is so awful that it gives characters nothing to strive for.
>>288244375>gives characters nothing to strive for.eating delicious foodit's a travelogue about two racist women and their gay escort so no surprise it's about woman things like food and feelings.
>>288239728>people say they only watch it for the elf>lose their shit whenever someone calls Frieren a shallow anime
>>288242534>>288244132>>288244375There are numerous reasons why people fanboy demons in this story, but the biggest one is probably that designated one-dimensional villains somehow manage to have more depth than nearly all of the cast. Like, pic related unironically have more character depth than the main cast. You will have to reach less to find some internal conflict worth exploring in them than in Stark or Fern, even though the latter have x100 screen time.
>>288244198No, I've never seen Frieren. I just want to mess with the same old four schizos and their way of criticizing things. Hasta la vista!(the next thread)
>>288244546>entire conversation on Frieren revolves around how it is not good>"it is only four schizos, everyone loves it, they are just silent"
>>288244538they don't really have any character depth either, except for Lugner who talks incessantly about why demons are so much better than humans. we know he's a perfectionist and convinced of the superiority of demons to the point he cannot comprehend why fern mogs him in a fight.we learn nothing about Linie except her specific brain of demon magic autism and her confusion about parenthood.i live her because i'm a lolicon, and a sucker for soft-spoken OP girls, it's that simple, i wanted more Linie.
>>288244623>entire conversation on Frieren revolves around how it is not goodSure you're egocentric
First third of s1>s2>last third of s1>middle third of s1
>>288246580The only good part is the first chapters
>>288240143>You don't like something.Ok.
>>288248917It is baffling that Frieren is so devoid of anything meaningful that there is literally nothing to talk about.
>>288239728Native isekai is a dying genre
>>288242534Wise word. Harsh, but true.
TLDR: Frieren fags admit the series is trash in nearly every aspect but it's fine because "that's not the point"Also OP keeps making these threads cause it keeps getting replies and getting bumped
>>288242852>MY PRETTY STOOL IS MATURE AND COMPLEX BECAUSE... UHH ZOOMZOOMAre all Frieren devoted fans are just angry, autistic millenials?
>>288251305I watch this shit because of animation.
>>288242379TRUTH NUKE
>>288251326Maybe they are just like anon >>288251343 who genuinely admires the animation and the music and direction. It is, indeed, very good.There is some serious talent in all aspects of Frieren, except the story itself and its characters.Everything else is excellent. Hence why the manga is dogshit that is being hardcarried by the anime.The manga of Frieren gets old instantly, because of how much Frieren is carried by production of the anime. Yet it is, unfortunatley, a polished stool.There was a mix up, and someone gave all the budget to animate a manga that is ultimately Barney the Dinossaur meets fantasy Azumanga Daioh.
>>288242534>whose only flaw is that she does not understand timeStopped reading right hereSomeone who actually watched the anime or read the manga would know she's very immature and lazy. Its a recurring gag, anyone who doesn't remember this is someone whose opinion on the story and its characters is completely worthless
>>288242379>it is Berserk, exceptVery unserious post, I hope for your sake you are baiting or underage, or hopefully both
>>288252279>Someone who actually watched the anime or read the manga would know she's very immature and lazy.No, she isn't. It is an informed flaw that only manifests in comedic sequences. When things actually matter, she is extremely calculating and cerebral, and never wrong (thus not immature) and perfectly capable of lifelong daily strenous effort (thus nit lazy). Actually all flaws of Frieren and her supporting cast are informed. For another example, Frieren, supposedly, makes an amateur error when casting spells... but it is so fleeting that basically no one ever is able to exploit it, so it does not matter in the situation when it is brought up, or ever again. As I mentioned above>>288244538only designated villains in this series are allowed to have character depth, with actual flaws and meaningful opinions (that is, something going beyond simple description of reality and rooted in their, well, character, like how Lugner dislikes geniuses and believes in individual and collective progress through steady work).
We've been over this, it's a big budget iyashikei masked as a high fantasy.Don't expect high stakes, deep drama or a sense of purpose, because the show is about healing the soul through the atmosphere.The main problem people have with this is because they see the surface and expect LOTR or GoT, but in reality it's more like Non Non Biyori that doesn't fully commit to it's genre.
>>288252570>When things actually matter, she is extremely calculating and cerebral, and never wrong (thus not immature)What a non sequitorThat's like saying a chess player who is very good at chess cannot possibly be immature because he's good at chess. An absolute non argumentShe is immature, but she's good at fighting demons and magic which is her specialty>and perfectly capable of lifelong daily strenous effort (thus nit lazy)Lazy doesn't mean "incapable of effort", it means "tends to avoid effort when possible"What you are describing is being physically or mentally disabled, not lazy.>Frieren, supposedly, makes an amateur error when casting spells... but it is so fleeting that basically no one ever is able to exploit itIf your criticism is that Frieren is too strong and flawless and doesn't have enough weaknesses, you are missing the point. Frieren has already defeated the demon lord, this is not a shonen with training arcs so she can get better and defeat the big bad. That's not what her character is supposed to be. Still, she gets beaten by Macht, struggles against Soltair and needs Fern to rescue her, almost gets killed by the assassin in the village and needs Stark, then again in the imperial city, needing to rely on her team mates to survive. So you wouldn't even be correct into identifying that as a problem. Not all characters flaws need to be related to combat, or exploited by enemies. Unless you think stories with no combat don't have any use for character flaws.>only designated villains in this series are allowed to have character depth, with actual flaws and meaningful opinionsGenau in season 2 goes from having one opinion about sacrificing oneself for weak non mages, to having a completely different opinion, also about himself, by the end of his small arc. He's not a villain, the villain, revolte, has no depth.
>>288252595>We've been over this, it's a big budget iyashikeiAs someone who actually read Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou and Hakumei & Mikochi, no, it is fucking not. Besides fucking everyone being war orphans, and an army of headless corpses, and fights narrated from viewpoints of characters who are about to die, the author is too lazy and does not have imagination necessary for this sort of narrative. Where you cannot just throw a combat threat which exists in the world only to be a threat, or to have a plot-explaining conversation when you need to fill the chapter with something.
>>288239728I'm on episode 17, so far it's a good show, I still think it's overrated as fuck by people who never watched a fantasy anime, but still a good show.The whole Himmel blackfash are misery porn and unnecesary though.
>>288239728Any day now.
Frieren is revolutionary in that it's the first manga ever made that actively avoids doing anything interesting with it's rich worldbuilding and characters. The Elves are going extinct? Who cares, just let it happen. Himmel actually was just some guy and the real chosen one is still on the way? Well that sounds neat, moving on. The land of the dead is an actual place you can visit? Why are we concerned about mortality at all then, you might ask. Well because it's part of this plot that we need to do.
>>288252690I'm very fond of the Priests characters so far
>>288239728it's already in constant hiatus hell, this manga is imploding on itself in real time
>>288252720>The land of the dead is an actual place you can visit? Why are we concerned about mortality at all then, you might askNo, I wouldn't ask that, because I'm not fucking retarded
>>288252690>>288252724still me, and I'm not sure if anyone share the same opinion, but I've heard that the biggest criticism of this anime is that it's slow, but I actually feel that it's too fast.almost 5 years had passed at episode 17 and it really doesn't feel like it. I feel like it could have used more screen time in those "average day" scenes while doing adventurer jobs and helping others.
What was the point of these 3 frames in the anime?
>>288252690>The whole Himmel blackfash are misery pornIt's literally hopecore though>>288252763You'll get moreSeason 2 is basically only that
>>288252781Why would it be hopecore if we already know that Himmel died a kissless hugless virgin?And it's unnecesary because it feels like the Frieren of the flashbacks isn't the same Frieren that's travelling with Fern and Stark. On the flashback you see her learn with Himmel but then when the flashback stops, she doesn't know anything and has learns it with Fern and Stark.It's like two complete separate characters
>>288252746If people knew for a fact that an afterlife not only exists but you can go there at anytime, it would radically change how the world would work.
>>288252823>On the flashback you see her learn with Himmel but then when the flashback stops, she doesn't know anything and has learns it with Fern and Stark.This is not true, she often changes her actions based on what she remembers. For example, she starts enjoying the sunset once she finally understands why Himmel wanted her to see it. Or in episode 17, the one you just watched, she decides to spend time trying to listen to the dwarf, because after Himmel she understands the value of appreciating people before they die>It's like two complete separate charactersThis is true, though not in the way you mean it
>>288252684>That's like saying a chess player who is very good at chess cannot possibly be immature because he's good at chess. An absolute non argument. She is immature, but she's good at fighting demons and magic which is her specialtyAnd she is good at adventuring, i.e. surviving dangerous wilderness. And negotiating, including talking down people trying to kill her. She never once snaps when dealing with yet another obstinate asshole, or abandons a quest because something else caught her fancy, like an actual immature person would. Her "immaturity" only covers things that explicitly don't matter for the story - she always can earn more money and detours are portrayed as close to the whole point. >Lazy doesn't mean "incapable of effort", it means "tends to avoid effort when possible"Yes. And Frieren does not do so. You're equating "when possible" with "when it does not actually matter in any way", but lazyness would not be a crippling vice if that was the case.>Genau in season 2 goes from having one opinion about sacrificing oneself for weak non mages, to having a completely different opinion, also about himself, by the end of his small arc. He never had a different opinion, and you must be severely autistic to think he did. From the moment of his appearance to his final scene, he's too good and compassionate for his own good, but pretends otherwise. Granted, this gives him more depth that the main cast, that's why he got popular, but he does not change in any way.>If your criticism is that Frieren is too strong and flawless and doesn't have enough weaknesses, you are missing the point. Frieren has already defeated the demon lord, this is not a shonen with training arcs so she can get better and defeat the big bad.Your words betray a shonenshitter in you. Can you conceive the idea that the character can have, well, a character? Flaws that do not amount to either notning or lack of combat prowess?
>>288252844>If people knew for a fact that an afterlife not only exists but you can go there at anytimeThankfully, this doesn't happen in Frieren, as only a small group has heard of this, and they don't "know" it, as there are no guarantees, and they can't go there "anytime", they are in a years long journey dangerous even for an expert mage reaching even further north than the residence of the old demon lord, an existential threat to humanity.
>>288252876>when it does not actually matter in any wayShe missed the sunset with himmel in one of the very first episodes because of her lazyness, something she regrets 80 years later. This matters.You seem to think it "doesn't matter" because for you what matters is big fights where the enemy beats the protagonist. But this is NOT what Frieren is mainly about, it has fights, but that's not the point. From the very first episode the story establishes what matters: her connection with other people. Then we are shown her lazyness getting in the way of that, and her finally going to see the sunset with FernMost of your compains are explained by you simply not understanding what "matters" in her story.>Your words betray a shonenshitter in you. Can you conceive the idea that the character can have, well, a character? Flaws that do not amount to either notning or lack of combat prowess?The lack fo self awareness is hilarious. She has flaws that matter, they don't matter TO YOU because you want them to matter in a big dick fight with a demon, as you've proven yourself by only claiming things that get in the way of the adventure matter.
>>288252870>he often changes her actions based on what she remembers.Only after the flashback yes. Somehow 80 years has passed but just now she acts different. She's Pre-himmel Frieren for 80 years until she gets a flashback.It's dumb
>>288252944>From the very first episode the story establishes what matters: her connection with other people.If the story was serious about that, then indeed Frieren's lazyness would have been a major character flaw. Because Frieren, all the way to the last chapter of the manga, is indeed lazy in her interaction with people. She just isn't all that interested in them. She always and without fail takes the path of least resistance and least curiosity. She walks into situations blindly, and does little to communicate. She is fine with her wards being accessories to her.But that works out for her anyway. Even situations which should have been a severe check of her ability to connect with people, like the magic exam... just aren't. You're accusing me of believing that only things that get in the way of the adventure matter. And you're right. But you're the one believing that "the adventure" is just big dick fights (though you can be excused for thinking so, given how Frieren is actually structured). I, on the other hand, happen to think that there is more to adventure. If the story actually supported its themes, then the mage exam would not be about tacticool use of spells, but about trying to build actual teams out of abrasive wizard spergs you first met today. The Aura arc would be about learning to trust her new companions' characters and making them work as a team, instead of just throwing them into duels, because you checked everyone's powerlevel and decided that Stark and Fern have bigger numbers. The Revolte arc would be about finding a way to work together with genuinely difficult comrades by understanding their problems. You know, basic shit. In such situations Frieren's flaws would actually be flaws. But such situations do not arise...
You fellas can stop with the paragraphs because no one is reading any of this
>>288253128>But that works out for her anyway.I posted an example of her getting a lifelong regret because of such an occasion>like the magic examThe one she fails because she can't get along with Serie?Your other examples are Aura and Revolte, confirming once again big dick fights are all that matters to you, there is no way around that, every time you post you keep digging this hole deeper and deeper while denying it.
>>288239746I really don't understand the need to shit on Frieren on this board in particular. The only shows /a/ genuinely love are SoL and CGDCT. If funnyposter wanted to shitpost reddit or twitter are better places for that.
>>288253212>The one she fails because she can't get along with Serie?Which does not matter, because they are allowed to pass anyway. Yet another example why the story does not support the theme of connection with people.>Your other examples are Aura and Revolte, confirming once again big dick fights are all that matters to you,Not my fault that after the introductory episodes, all arcs where developments actually happen and status quo changes, like, at all, are about powerlevel fighting which is decided by powerlevels and nothing else.
>>288252570You're still under the illusion that the arbiter for all of media is the ´stakes´. This is ridiculous-there's just as many media that are concerned with stakes and those that aren't. The sidequest of the dwarf searching for wine, for example, is just a neat story. It's obviously not about stakes. It's been mentioned before but the series happens after Frieren completed her Hero's Journey. Frieren is for those looking for something different. They've seen enough stories about stakes. It's apples and oranges. You watched a detective drama or some weird thing instead of the show about stakes when you don't like the type of show and then try to apply the black-and-white view of "what are the stakes?".
>no erufu feetwasn't it supposed to be a frieren thread?
>>288242534It's always retarded inhuman pieces of trash who don't like Frieren and your post proves it. Frieren, Heiter, Fern, Stark, Himmel and the others are all great complex characters and any person with above average intelligence and even most with average intelligence would realize that. It's only retarded people like you who don't understand that, since you simply aren't intellectually developed enough to see more than 1 dimension when other people like me can see at least 3. Luckily Frieren is the highest rated anime of all time and one of the most beloved manga of all time and most people in this world aknowledge its masterpiece status. It has basically won every single major manga award there is and multiple major anime awards. Millions upon millions of people absolutely love it and its only a few retarded contrarians like you who don't The world would be a better place without you desu.
>>288253260I'm sorry, who made you the king of the board?
>It is not easy for us to tell the difference between two mortals. To sheep other sheep no doubt appear different, or to shepherds. But Mortals have not been our study. We have other business.How do you respond without sounding mad?
>>288242905You guys need to grow up. Frieren not exploring the negative parts of humanity doesn't make it mature, it makes it lazy. Fern is literally a war orphan and we just aren't meant to think about it.>The characters are Japanese at their core. Sorry it wasn't the normal caricature that you're used to.Yes the Japanese, famously known for haviing zero pain response and not reacting at all when they stabbed in the chest.
>>288253421As this thread evidences, Frieren fans have some weird-ass opinions about stories in other genres. For example:>You watched a detective drama or some weird thing instead of the show about stakes when you don't like the type of show and then try to apply the black-and-white view of "what are the stakes?".Dude. Anon. An average detective drama has infinitely more stakes than shonenshit (which hardly ever has any), even if the main character is not in physical danger. A classic murder mystery introduces to you a quirky cast you're given time to like, and one of them is secretly a heartless criminal, and as investigation progresses the criminal would often attempt to silence those who can implicate him or her, and more people will die unless the detective can stay one step ahead. A cop drama usually raises the "gazing into the abyss" theme - how far your main cast is willing to bend the law to catch the law-breakers, and what the consequences will be.>The sidequest of the dwarf searching for wine, for example, is just a neat story. It's obviously not about stakes. Sure. I even give to you that the dwarf sidequest actually supports the theme of connections with people being important (even if in arguably toxic ways). But does it actually impact the story or the characters? Yeah, nah. The dwarf and his village and Frieren and her crew pass each other like ships in the sea, never to meet again. That's, of course, not how SoL stories about connecting with people work at all. In these main characters gradually form a social network of recurring friends. Which also makes every chapter/episode important. In Frieren you can skip the whole dwarf story and it is unlikely to impact your experience at all. And I just don't think that Frieren still gliding through life as a detached observer is meant to be her character flaw.
best anime of the millennia
>>288253695They're also very pretentious
>PLEASE FRIEREN, I'LL FUCKING SUCK YOUR CLIT, PLEASE I'LL DO ANYTHING YOU WANT, I'LL EAT YOUR SHIT, I'LL EAT YOUR FUCKING SHIT PLEASE DON'T MAKE ME KILL MYSELF! IT'S WHAT HIMMEL THE HERO WOULD'VE WANTED!
>four mages and a superhuman fighter are up against three dangerous demons>for some inexplicable reason the intelligence of five people is not enough to think about how separating into two teams is a bad idea and directly plays into the demons' handsHaving your characters make stupid decisions that are not in line with their (supposed) intelligence/training/wisdom just to set up a certain battle scenario is a sign of horrible writing.>we can not cross this narrow deep chasm because the wind is too strong>Fern and Frieren have no issue flying up 100 meters up into the sky and standing perfectly still against the winds up thereGiving your overpowered characters obstacles they could easily overcome going by everything that has been established so far just to set up a certain plot is a sign of horrible writing. In this case it's especially stupid because it wasn't even necessary.
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>>288253695Ok. Let's use that as an example. You watch it and you aren't too concerned that the protagonist won't solve the episode of the day or that the forensic detective will die. It isn't even a problem if he's too smort and House's flaws are meaningless to solving the case and he still solves it. You don't question how many cases are 80% totally filler and you never meet that person from this episode again. Instead, > A cop drama usually raises the "gazing into the abyss" theme - how far your main cast is willing to bend the law to catch the law-breakers, and what the consequences will be...you see some theme about morality. The difference in ideals between Frieren and Serie. You learn that the North has a mining camp, she met an elf long ago who liked pranks. These kinds of meta-progression might happen, indeed. If you mention something like a "gazing into the abyss" theme, you'd even get called pretentious. The stakefag doesn't see it in these terms. It doesn't matter. It's all about stakes. Nothing happens. You need more stakes. I don't see stakes.
>>288239746kekOP unequivocally BTFO
