What are you working on?
>>288276661I'm working on not working.
I dropped everything I worked on, and today someone picked up the last manga I worked on.Would've preferred if they didn't use blatant MTL and made stupid mistakes, but beggars can't be choosers.It's hard being an adult and combining scanlation with work honestly. I just couldn't handle it anymore. And a lot of the stuff happening around like Mangadex going legit is not really good for motivation at all.
>pick up dropped series>rating goes down by .15I-it's not like I wanted some appreciation for the hours of effort I put in or anything...
>reading a series>handwritten asides aren't translatedI know what you are
>>288278001Most telling signs of mtl is usually not translating handwritten text (even if it’s pretty much just hiragana) and getting names wrong even if they have furigana.Both are fairly easy to do if you you bother learning hiragana and look up eventual kanjis with google translate drawing tool, but most of these “translators” don’t bother doing that.
>>288276739I quit when MD went down and two of my titles were picked up. Both of them are kind of amateur compared to the work I put out but beggars can't be choosers.Looking back I reckon I was a top tier translator. I kept extensive notes and took notice of the stylization, tone, register, etc. of the original jp, I got all of their references, I did the research and I tried to be as accurate as possible. Some of the people in the scene are simply not even trying. No MTL can supplement the scanlator "getting it"
>tell gpt to not redraw anything aside from where text should be removed>it redraws the whole pic>tell gemini/banana (pro version at that!) to not add speech bubbles>it adds speech bubbles where it should redrawIt's definitely way better than nothing, but I start to suspect they doing it deliberately, so you'd spend more time and money.
interesting how mtl kicked out people doing it for vanity and pride.
Stop rating 8, motherfuckers!
>MTL discussionYou're all gonna love this one.>ッシャアアア>"translated" as tsuyashaThis nonsensical (and monetized) MTL is being recommended by MD as #2 of their top 10 new series and lauded by readers, while all the hundreds, if not thousands of hours you poured into learning the language and honing your craft gets overlooked into irrelevancy.
>>288278774>Not KakaaawUnacceptable
>>288278630They always redraw the whole pic no matter the instructions, it’s just how they work.
>>288278972There's a difference between 99.9% similarity to original, and say 75%.
>>288278693Did it? I feel like AI broke open the floodgates and now everyone's competing with each other on release speed and sheer quantity.
>>288279614>everyoneThose who don't know the language*
>>288280078Have you seen the Noa-senpai group? They were releasing at a rate of a chapter every 6 weeks, collabed with another group for a bit which bumped their release schedule to twice a week, and then the other group left and now they're working with less people than before bringing out a chapter every few days. It's obvious their workflow is now dictated by chatgpt. The landscape of the scene right now is filled with for-profit groups fighting over popular series while streamlining everything with AI.
>>288279614How else are they going to maximize the money they make from people who have no standards?
>there are groups actually making money>I'm in the red from buying volumesI still refuse to lock chapters
>>288277935Do it like youtubers and tell them to hit that follow button and give it a 10 at the end.
>>288280232I think that was a case of one group not wanting to work on a project and causing delays.
>>288276661
>>288278630Copypaste the text back into the original pic.
Does anyone happen to have the raws for the Latin extra?
>>288280832>he thinks I use AI to shitlateEven if I wanted to use it for translation, I would order AI to produce translation in plain text, which I then would typeset the normal way.
>>288278774To be fair the main way to get a title on their popular new titles list is mainly just knowing how to manipulate social media to get people to click follow. You can get pretty half-decent series on the front page if you hustle know how to do it.
>>288279614I don’t really mind how it’s now as long as they at least bother putting in a little bit of effort. It’s when they’re lazy and just skip handwritten text and things like that you really notice.
>>288280954>スタイル translated as "style"It doesn't even make sense in that context
>>288280954>>288281862I think that might be the most obvious example I've seen, saved for future reference.
author-san please make up your mind or I'm going to scream
Someone suggested asking AI for help with learning Japanese, so I tried it out on my local version of Qwen. It always amazes me how good these things are until they trip up on something really stupid. They're like the ultimate technological achievement in the field of "fuck it, close enough".
anyone have a link to a site where i can look up name readings by frequency
Where I can check for exact sales numbers for my series?Shoseki doesn't tell me and it isn't in the top Oricon titles.
>>288283523The only sales numbers available afaik are oricon and shoseki.If shoseki doesn't have the sales numbers, they were too low to be ranked.Basically search for your chapters and check weekly and monthly rankings for sales numbers. If it only has a few daily rankings, it didn't sell enough to rank on weekly or monthly, and then you know that it sold less than the rankings show.To put it bluntly, if it doesn't manage to rank on weekly, it's most likely going to be axed soon. There are exceptions of course, where they do limited print runs, but in general then it's not going to last long.
Did you nominate your series?
>>288284493My series never get in, not even the one that actually got an anime.
>>288284493I stopped voting when they removed the Niconico option.
>>288282818https://namegen.jp/Try this, just enter the name you want and press the linkExample: https://namegen.jp/details/mei/female/%E6%A1%83%E5%AD%90
>>288284493Yes. It's a duty!
Is GPT 5.5 or Opus better for proofreading?
Hey anon, you're still at it?
How do you tag a comedy manga that turns dark like 50 chapters inDo you still tag "tragedy" or "horror" or whatever from the beginning when there's still nothing like that in the story yet
>>288289563Just put drama.Also, you do it manually? I just let the sites pick the genres on their own.
>>288290232On Mangadex you have to make an entry for the series if there isn't already one, and that includes having to add tags.
>>288290486top right and bottom left as a solo translator who hates typesetting and has worked on pun and wordplay heavy comedy
>>288290486solo scanlator with excruciating head aches reporting inhonestly it's the typesetting that's the worst, but it's such a pain in the neck working together with people instead of doing everything yourself. you spend almost as much effort getting them to do the shit they're supposed to do
>>288288030This is a little awkward, picrel wouldn't happen to be your group, right?In case it is, I haven't wasted any effort since I started from chapter 2 (which seems to be chapter 3 in the volume release), but if not, I'm not sure if I'm still willing to continue since this group did a pretty good job except for the blue artifacts from upscaling in two of the pages, they didn't even grayscale the output images Regardless, here's the script, feel free to edit as much or as little as you'd like.https://pastebin.com/7MuKKau2I'll message the uploader of the chapter on MD and we can figure things out from there for future chapters in case you intend to continue.
>>288276739I swear it's always someone who is ESL and lazy at the same time doing all the AI translations as well. It would only take a couple extra minutes per page to fix if they cared enough.
>>288283833>Likely to be axed soonSurely not. There are just that many manga on sale, right? Haha...
any resources for deciphering seals?
I HATE TYPESETTIIIIING
How do you feel about lowercase fonts?
>>288294341Readers don't care if you only use one font for everything as long as it's a comic font>>288294722Indifferent for dialog, necessary for handwritten text and SFX
>>288294722Simply superior.
>>288294722I think they're better in every way, except once you start using them, you feel like you have to commit and make all your fonts lowercase.
>>288294722Necessary now that manga fonts have way too much stylization nowadays.
>>288293098it's probably meant to be obvious in context, the mangaka wouldn't draw shit that the average Japanese person wouldn't be able to read, if you weren't an N5 shitter you would be able to figure it out since unlike us you have the whole page
>You sometimes see Japanese people talking on the internet about how foreigners perceive “anime”>They all use “日本アニメ” and “日本語のアニメ” in this context, never “アニメ” because that would sound super weird and illogical.On a scale of gigachad with a personal harem to character-print hugging pillow collecting colossal lifelong permavirgin, how mad are you from this simple thing?
>>288289563>Do you still tag "tragedy" or "horror" or whatever from the beginning when there's still nothing like that in the story yetSure why wouldn't you? The movie from Dusk Till Dawn does this: crime thriller for the first hour then suddenly out of nowhere turns into action horror for the last 40 minutes and is what it's mostly known and remembered for.
>>288295551They sometimes use ジャパニメーション tooOh and 海外のアニメオタク is still clearly understood to never mean disneyfags
>>288291104Niceu.I was suprised as well when I saw it got updated. If you got a response please share it. Because if they are willing to stick with it then it's fine if they took it.
>>288296260no-one owns a series, just snipe it
>>288296260I hadn't yet because I didn't want to come off as a two timing whore, I'll keep you updated then I had the script ready within days of the last thread too, talk about horrible timing
>>288294722>How do you feel about lowercase fonts?I prefer using lowercase fonts for dialogue because it's so much easier to read. You get tired after reading upper case for a while.
>>288296365>>288296260>OOPS! WE RAN INTO SOME PROBLEMS.>The following recipients could not be found: FortiethAtom4Never fucking mind, the site's broken and I'd have to use 'cord to get in touch. Feel free to pretend this never happened, I wouldn't want you to waste your time just because I translated it already.
>>288280629I do good but only because it's the least effort which is why I do it naturally.
>>288296801I only bother translating sfx if they're not obvious and important, and then I usually do it the decent or good way. Most manga have a lot more sfx than you think about, but you can burn out fast if you try to translate all of them, especially the mega faggot way.
>>288294341I like it when there is a stylistic challenge. Gradient shading/strokes though are not fun to deal with.
>>288296317It's not about ownership. If someone is already doing the work then I'll just put effort into another project>>288296451I'll try to contact them.
>>288296317The author owns the series.
Know your fonts!
>>288297678Thanks, let them know they can use the script if they'd like.
How do I get in a group
>>288299960Groups leave recruitment info on their credits page if they have one, or often in the group info page in MDIf that was a general question name which roles you'd like to fulfill and an anon might come whispering sweet nothings into your ear to get you on board
Correct me if I'm wrong, to produce this kind of effect I can just do:>select the screentone part using rectangular marquee tool>define as a pattern>use that pattern for stroke fill typeRight?
>>288301290
>Ichijo spin-off is getting re-uploadedBased anon. Let's see if it stays up.
>>288301660That's a glow but yeah you've got the right idea
>>288282082Which one are you going with?
>>288301290>>288302793Make it stop.
>>288299960How well can you AI?
bump
>Somehow managed to form a scanlation group of all things by chance and became a leader of all things.>So far our group does shit quite well with little to no problems for years.Still, I feel like more of a figurehead than an actual leader despite me dictating which manga our group wants to scanlate since my actual job is editing the pages and typesetting and I just let the others do their own thing at their own leisure (translating, proofreading,etc).I guess our scanlation group is more like a hobby group?
>>288306650Hey, as long as work is being done and everyone is happy then all is well.
>>288306650I'd say it's mostly about getting the right kind of people and a good group dynamic, like in all other teams.It's probably a good portion of luck as well. Having group members that take initiative and do their stuff without having to get reminded about it ad nauseum is not especially easy to find.It's like this in irl jobs too. Dealing with the slackers is a hassle and requires a lot of effort, and it's usually easier just doing stuff yourself and avoiding working together with them.
>>288296084“ジャパニメーション” is actually used? I thought it was just this theoretical thing found in dictionaries no one actually used.Thoughts on translating it to “anime”?>Oh and 海外のアニメオタク is still clearly understood to never mean disneyfags“アニメオタク” on itself is understood to only mean fans of a particular style though, shall we say permavirgin-targeting cope cartoons.On the Japanese internet too, some people when they say “アニメ” aren't talking about Dragon Ball and in that context it purely just seems to mean “美少女アニメ”. Probably just caused by a similar level of basement dwelling as what causes many of the bizarre ideas here though. I don't think the average Japanese person sees it that way.
>>288306650the worst thing about groups is an incompetent and lazy leaderand the next worst thing is a leader who's good at everything but has a fucking ego
>>288306650Honestly, as a translator just being told “Go translate this.” seems like a hell job.When working solo at least one can decide for oneself what to translate. Also how it's done in that case, like I actually heard of groups where>one person first goes over all the pages and types the lines into a document>translator enters the translation into same document>typesetter puts this into the bubbles againFeels like so much work compared to working solo and just tying the stuff into the bubbles as one is translating.
Can ayone rip this volume, please?https://ebookjapan.yahoo.co.jp/books/650273/A002706529/
>>288308327>Feels like so much work compared to working solo and just tying the stuff into the bubbles as one is translating.Actually working with a script like that helps as a translator. You goof up quickly when translating directly. My translation quality went up a lot when I started scriptiing even as a solo scanlator.
>>288307456>Having group members that take initiative and do their stuff without having to get reminded about it ad nauseum is not especially easy to findThis can't be emphasized enough.It's honestly insane how much work can be done when all members are motivated, regardless of skill or experience. I work with translators on personal projects and I can count the amount of ones who finish chapters consistently on one hand.
>>288308610You're asking for thousand yen?
How many fonts can you recognize by now?
>>288309730I don't really mind buying raws for groups, but I try to be certain that they'll actually work on scanlations with them. There's tons of people out just to get raws for them just so they can read through them themselves or with ichigoreader or something, that never plans to ever work on any scanlation. They've been begging in the scanlation school server as well in the saving raws section and on reddit. Really shitty behavior making it worse for everyone. I only buy for people I trust because of that.
>>288308976Yeah I can actually see how doing it like that does make it harder to mess up but that's only because it takes so much more time so one ends up looking at the text more. Also, the new text doesn't hide the old one.Also why I noticed that the number of dumb errors I made dropped significantly when I switched to keeping the text under it half visible, it's easier to spot the mistakes when the Japanese is still visible under it.
>>288309745I recognize fonts at the grocery store. It's a curse.
Post the SFX you're proudest of
When a mangaka uses a million different dialogue fonts, do you guys also use a different font or just make it all one font?
>>288312917the latter for 2 series i work on but i've been doing the former on one series. i have to keep a reference with pictures of the japanese text and the latin font i'm using for each but i think it helps since that one series uses a shit ton of different fonts
>>288312917>When a mangaka uses a million different dialogue fonts, do you guys also use a different font or just make it all one font?Doesn't really matter, it's not the mangaka putting the text in, it's the editor.
>>288313141Is that so? I feel many of them very much deliver something they typeset themselves to the publisher. Artists running in the same magazine very often have recognizable styles and fonts other artists in the same magazine don't use.
>>288313810nta but i work on 2 ongoing series by the same author that are published by different companies and 1 mostly uses 2 or 3 fonts normally while the other uses like 6
>>288312470Probably this one. It's mostly screaming SFX that I like working on because they give you a lot of freedom to work with.
>>288312917There was one series where I kept using new fonts for every text change, even things like different inflections. Eventually it balloned to the point I couldn't keep up.Now I just use a different font only for speech types. For SFXs there is more variety but nothing too fancy. Using too many fonts will make for a bad reading experience anyway.
i would never support the adobe jews.
>>288314248How did you create this brush-stroke like font?
>>288314389It's Edo SZ.Very versatile font for horror and loud noise.
>>288314388Just pirate
>>288314706But the AI redrawing feature...
How many old scanlations (that are still the only ones we have for some series) were just MTL edited to seem cleaner?
>>288313862Editor diff
>>288315400Wouldn’t it be way cheaper to buy a cheap Google AI plan? It’s anywhere between 1-20 USD a month and you get almost unlimited Banana.
>>288315400Don't use it.
>>288315400Do it by hand.
TIL how patch tool works... I was using spot healing brush like an idiot even for large area removal.
at what japanese level do you finally surpass MTL?
>>288276661sex with adobe chan.
>>288317348N5. MTL then fix the mistakes
>>288312917Yes. Though I try to choose fonts that also have italic and bold, so I could use the same font when it changes in original simply by switching to italic, bold, and italic-bold. Or use photoshop's faux italic/bold option and/or "strong" for the font to make it extra thick, or "not exactly bold but different". Also can use stroke to add/shrink thickness.I.e. if you really want, you can use the same font in like 4-7 different situations. Though I try to emulate original font changes anyway.Here's an example on random manga.
>>288314388>>288315400Just pirate CS6 or something and use gemini pro. So far gemini producing the best results, even though its derping from time to time and can't into lewd stuff.
>>288318132how do you even use gemini? The results don't even come in the right resolution.
>>288318157>1. cut panels you want to redraw>2. make canvas size 1024x1024 and paste panel there, save as png>3. when using gemini choose 1:1 sizeThere's also this guide that might to help: https://rentry.co/BananaRedraw/
>Someone requests you to scanlate an ongoing manga.The premise is interesting but I'd prefer completed manga or manga who's scanlation is left unfinished.The only way I'd want to scanlate ongoing manga is if they about to end.
>>288318377get this often when i make youtube vids>can you make a video on X anime next?>think: no i have no fucking clue what it's about and i don't care for it>comment: wow, yeah, thanks for the suggestion. i'll look into it if i have time, ty for comment!
>>288318132I mostly translate doujins, and Gemini has been really good with redrawing the backgrounds back in the day. But nowadays, it feels like I'm pulling teeth. It keeps refusing to redraw it because the text is raunchy, even I made sure to avoid showing anything risque too. I mostly use it for textured backgrounds with lots of screen tones since those aren't as easy to clean up. Or do you guys know another way for me to redraw these kinds of backgrounds? I've been using copy paste otherwise
>>288280629>posting a troll image
>>288318570Same, my redrawing skill is limited, and the only tools I used are CAF, clone stamp tool, layer mask if I fucked things up and for redrawing lines or curve I just use polygonal lasso tool.
>>288282220I don't understand how to run AI model locally, do you need to download some model on it? Also can't you just feed some dictionaries like Jitendex to improve its reading? I mean, like you said the explanation is good enough for dekinai, but it's funny how it misreads sunawachi as shokki
>>288318570I just tell it to remove all screen tones/textures, then cut the part that I actually wanted to redraw, and use relevant screen tones* from the same manga/chapter. But I noticed that gemini redraws better with screen tones than without them, so it's better to generate two variants just in case - with and without them.* I have a file with screen tones that manga has normally at that resolution, but recently chapters started to have varying quality / moire pattern that doesn't match the ones I have because manga moved to different magazine/site, so I have to use/make new screen tones from chapters themselves.
I'm working on Sora no Manimani that never got licenced and nobody ever finished the scanlations. I finally got some decent quality digital raws of it and can finally transfer translations from my scan translations. it's a nightmare to typeset because of all the astronomy stuff.....
>>288318772So it returns only line art, then you fill in the screen tones after?
>>288317348They're kinda perpendicular, you can't really compare AI to human, they make different classes of mistakes. You can feed an N0 translator's script into it and it'll often produce very useful recommendations, but they can make scene comprehension mistakes even a random N5-kun will spot.
>>288318907>create new layer>use quick mask (Q) and then use pencil instead of brush to paint the area you want to redraw>quit quick mask (Q again), inverse selection (ctrl+shift+I), press D and fill the selection (ctrl+backspace) with white>paste and align result from AI redraw and hide it (click on the eye icon in layers panel) >ctrl+left click on the layer you created previously (open layers panel, and click on brush icon)>copy to the new layer from AI redrawThen you can paste layer with scree tone, or create and fill new layer with it, or clone, etc. the again click on that first layer to make selection appear, and copy screen tone to the new layer. Then you just change blend mode to darken or multiply on the layer that above the other.Kinda like this. Of course the same can be done in several different ways, so whatever works for you.
>>288318570>It keeps refusing to redraw it because the text is raunchyWhat if you mirror the image? Or then Gemini wouldn't understand what to redraw?
>>288301290kek
>>288306650You're like a 4chan janitor or a reddit mod except slightly more useful.
>>288301290Would grok translate this?
>>288316564How much does it help with the workflow?
>>288318377The solution to that is to just work on volume releases, or monthly manga. A much more comfortable pace and people will learn to wait.>>288318556You make summaries?
>>288276661Learning to draw. I can't do it for jack shit though
>>288318570I usually censor the text with a bright green brush and tell it to redraw the art behind.
How often do you come across annoying redraws to need to rely on Gemini so often?
>>288317348Never at speed N3 at accuracy if you're putting in the legwork to understand every single sentenceCreative writing though is all on (You)
>>288320976I'm pretty certain MTL is better than the average scanlation translator 20 years ago.Remember that people just translate manga to learn Japanese, and quit when they get more experienced. You don't have experienced, good translators working on scanlations, and you never had.
>>288320930I find the results better than whatever I can do manually so I ended up using it by default. It’s also faster.
>>288320976> N3 at accuracyI don’t think so, there’s too many things that are invisible to N3-kuns no matter how hard they try.
>>288320786When I did the same, it went full retard and couldn't understand where's the green color it should redraw...>>288320930Every chapter, on at least 1/3 pages, sometimes 3/4. I would dropped it without AI years ago. Artist keep inventing ways to make his art more complex. It was way easier before.
>>288321123>Artist keep inventing ways to make his art more complex. It was way easier before.it depends on the artist. you can still easily find series that requires next to no redrawing
>>288321123i noticed this as well. artists are introducing backgrounds with patterning, layers and gradients combined along with a shitload of text outside of bubbles
>>288321398it's mostly assistants working on that
>>288321123>ok, AI, generate a funky pattern with a gradient in the background of this bit of dialogue>ok, AI, clean up this bit of dialogue and redraw the pattern in the backgroundIt's like corpo e-mails.
>>288321447mhmmnot sure what the purpose of it is, if it's anti-AI learning or to discourage pirates but i feel like AI eventually will be able to produce clean copies because of the computational power behind it
>>288321481it's because it looks betterthey don't care as much about ai or pirates as you thinktry to look at it from their point of view instead of yours and it makes a lot more sense
>>288321447It's just more and more using digital, where all that complicated screen tones shit could be done by one person in a matter of minutes or even less, often by artist himself.
>>288321516does it look better? modern manga feels like there's way too much noise and every panel has too much *stuff* happening. from an artistic standpoint it serves no purpose.i mean, yes, i understand there's preferences but i'm failing to accept the reasoning of it being better than it used to be
>>288318808Speech bubbles are thin?
>>288320930I did it one time. And that was because the text took over half of the page. Even then, I had to redraw a part by hand.>>288321123What kind of series are you working on that you need it that much?Like, I use IOPaint so I know how useful AI redrawing is but Gemini does the entire page.
>>288322533>Gemini does the entire pageSo what? It's not like you use that page as is afterward.
>>288323226I personally don't like it since there is a chance that something might change and I might miss it. I understand overlaying it over a section, that's what I did when I used it, but I wouldn't substitute the end result with the original page.
>>288323348>since there is a chance that something might changeEven if it changes somewhere where you didn't need it, who cares. Like, here's I asked to redraw only Japanese text, but AI-retard added bandages for whatever reason.
>>288324056you should have published it with the bandages, the reaction when people noticed would be hilarious
Hey, I wonder if anyone knows what's this font called?
>>288299094So they replied to me. They are planning to stick with it. They even have multiple chapters translated already, they only need to redraw and typeset.Guess that's that. Sorry you had to do work for nothing. It was one of hell of a coincidence for it to be picked up just after we agreed to work on it.If you got anything else interesting you want to team up on let me know. We might have a mutual interest somewhere else.
>>288325115CC Comic Crazy
After many, many years i wanna go back to buying raws for a friend, what's your opinion on screenshots raws? I used to use the ebookjapan script to get them, but it doesn't work anymore
>>288311165I get pissed off at improper usage of serifed captal I in daily life
How do you translate 整う in a sauna context?
>>288326640screenshot raws are badtry the scanlation school script, use it with firefox and violentmonkeyhttps://files.catbox.moe/qp0u73.js
>>288326640Just buy on Kobo.
I don't know if it's a specific set of scans I've got (I don't think it is) but spreads are showing up misaligned when I try to manually slap the pages together.Referencing the physical volumes I've got this seems to be just how the pages were laid out but it's weird because sometimes I can just set the two pages next to each other and get a good image. They look fine in the physical because the misalignment is masked by the spine.I'm guessing this may be just the way some manga is. Since I'm not equipped to redraw would it be appropriate to just try and mash together pages where they align and otherwise keep them separate?Also I haven't checked the full series but it seems like a few volumes later the spreads align more frequently, meaning some change was made to make the digital version better on that front (or maybe it's dependent on the exact source of the digital scans)
>>288326640You can also try to use things likehttps://addons.mozilla.org/ru/firefox/addon/comics-manga-dl-by-saptarshi/orhttps://github.com/topics/manga-downloaderSome of them work with official manga sites apparently.
>>288326900What's the full sentence? You could probably just localize it a little and explain the concept.
>>288327283nta but kobo doesn't work for some shueisha series for me. i think they might have changed encryption for those
>>288327617Just change the file extension in file explorer from epub to zip. You can’t convert them in calibre for some reason. I’ve had the same issue
>>288327785You can use 7z to extract epubs.
>>288327848epubs are basically a zip, so you can extract them with basically anything
>>288327377Are the scans you have magazine or volume raws?The magazine digital scans of one of my series are fine when it comes to spreads but the official publisher's website rips often have missing parts of the pages which I have to manually redraw. Maybe you have a similar problem.>Since I'm not equipped to redraw would it be appropriate to just try and mash together pages where they align and otherwise keep them separate?Make a wide margin like actuall physical release. It looks less jarring, imo.
>>288328400They're volume raws.I think I will try doing a wide margin once I get my files converted from my typesetting into smaller single images.
>>288325459I'll take it as a sign from above not to pick more shit up for now, thanks for getting me closure at least anon.
>>288327617Not that bullshit again.
>>288326619Thank you!
Is sniping real?
>>288322452that and there's a lot of little infographics too, and many transparent speech bubbles that need a lot of redrawing.
>>288327138>>288327433Thank you very much
>>288331941Yes, and it's a good job mate!
>>288322533nta and a former iopaint user, but gemini is so much easier to use because you don’t have to carefully segment the text.
>>288334352Is the paid version any better? I'm using the free version and it's crazy. Just constantly adding screen tones, faces and eyes where there weren't any so I have to tweak my request and generate multiple versions to get one that's actually decent. It almost feels like they're doing it on purpose to make you waste your generations and buy the paid version
Scanning a bunch of doujinshi weekend to clear up my backlog...How important would you say it is to flatten the pages before you scan them? Normally, I just leave the doujinshi between some books to flatten them out, usually for at least a day, but I kind of just want to get it done today. I experimented with a book and the results seemed alright by eye? The pages mostly lay flat in the scanner during the process, except one corner tended to curve up slightly but it's one of the inner corners where the book would normally be non-flat anyway and there isn't much text there.Planning on doing another scan of the same book after flattening the pages to see how much of a difference it makes. What experiments have other anons done? I want to find better compromises between speed and quality because I've accumulated too many books.
>>288334797Unless you debind them it's always going to look like shit.
>>288334839I always debind them. I'm talking about flattening the pages after debinding.
>>288334438With a free plan you only get banana2, it's strictly worse than pro for manga redraw IME. With a paid plan you can use Pro directly from AI studio or use the redo with Pro button from the web app.>faces and eyes where there weren't any How much extra pixels do you include as context? Because that seems like a symptom of the model not know what's supposed to be behind the text. I don't usually get those now, I do remember running into it constantly with Banana1 though.
>>288334986idgi, wouldn’t light pressure on the lid be enough already if you already debind them?
>>288335090>How much extra pixels do you include as context?Since I'm translating doujins, I usually only include a snippet with only the text and some of the background visible, not the whole panel since there's usually bare tits or something and Gemini would refuse to redraw it if otherwise
>>288320976>Never at speedWhat the hell does this mean? Anyone can trivially write a tool that takes an image and outputs dogshit in microseconds. Not being able to outspeed that program at translation is meaningless.
Anyone have had experience doing fast scans involving multiple people? Like within 24 hours, how exactly does the plumbing work to facilitate this?
>>288337110What would they even do? At most you'd have a translator, typesetter and redrawer. "Cleaning" and "QC" aren't even real jobs. That's for discord cliques.
>>288337125I’m sure for very fast releases there’s some setups to allow all work to be parallel, and it’s probably very different for each group. I just want to know some examples and what tools were used.
>>288337110I just post it here and some guy typesets it
>>288337162You can't do it in parallel on a single chapter.
>>288276661I have an idea, what if we make communal translators web page? Just like people did it for shoujo/Josei Manga before the website die? So we can have unlimited translations.
>>288327138Coincidentally I was also looking for something exactly like this to get online raws again and this works perfectly. Is there an easy to view older chapters on comic walker too?
>>288337680>Is there an easy to view older chapters on comic walker too?They want you to buy the tankoubon.
>>288337680>Is there an easy to view older chapters on comic walker too?With the app.
>>288337110I've had a <6 hours turnover for a 35+ page chapter>TL sends me the raws and starts working on it>clean, preliminary RD>wait while deciding on fonts and making presets with the right sizes using some random script>TL sends half a script before going on break>start TSing>we each do our part>barely any QC beyond each of us glancing through it once>upload>TL panic fixes while I sleep
>>288338270Oh right, having a non-ESL TL is a prerequisite
>>288326900Wouldn't it just be 'getting the sauna ready' or adjusting the temperature/humidity or something?
>>288326900>>288338603NO, watch Scripting Japan's video on this new usage. He said N1 is hard which lowered by opinion of him quite a lot, but the totonou video is good and comprehensive.
>>288338651He's just being nice
>>288338651Ok so what's the full context of the scene? Is it just cleaning up the sauna then or something? Or even building one maybe? Obviously can have multiple meanings depending on the ~context~
>I think you've had enough to read there anon, how about making an account, not like we ever have data breaches or have updated our EULA to sell people outOk so where the fuck do we upload now? If you say IRC you're getting shoved in a locker.
>>288338651>>288338687https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cv28eEv8B8If it's a sauna manga and it occurs repeatedly you might want to copy how the word came about and create an unusual new usage of some regular verb. Sth like "aligned" "calibrated". Or you can simply import it.If it's just an one off scene you can still translated the unusalness but you may also make it immediately understandable "Blissed out" "Transcended"...etc there are endless options.>>288338657The video is largely fine but he cited some out of distribution examples to paint N1 as something harder than it is. The comment section also breeds incompetence.
>>288338800Who the fuck reads comments!?
>>288338651i would say N1 is hard if you're looking for the 178-180 score instead of a barely passing 100there is grammar which is very particular and not usually used in everyday life which means that you have to study specifically for parts of it
>>288338800>カラダもココロもととのったI mean, that's not really different from some of the classic translations of that verb anyway, only new thing seems to be using it as a meme in hiragana then for saunas.
>>288338915>classic translationsYeah some of those would be equally marked in English indeed, no need to over-complicate things.
What's your opinion about putting scanlation group's name on the side of the page like this? I think it's kinda weird to put it when they have a credit page already. https://mangadex.org/title/ffeef500-d3e0-4c8d-b0f4-ce178afe7b87/mada-kimi-o-miageteru
>>288339119same opinion as including credit pages
>>288339119Be grateful it isn't this
>>288339119
>>288338800I'd just keep it at totonou. It's too Japanese to really convey and the people reading sauna manga are going to understand it.
>>288339254do they have a vore fetish or something?
>>288337110>Magazine raws releases one week before website release>The latter is bigger and higher quality so I use it>In that week I resize the magazine raws, clean the text bubbles and typeset the text. TL is provided by another guy>As soon as the chapter releases I just copy and paste the website release over the magazine raws>Only thing that needs work is the redrawing of art with text over it. Since it looks different after resizing>Chapter gets uploaded 2/3 hours after it releasesOnly thing that delays uploading is that the artist often uploads the non-text version of the opening illustration after the website release. So I have to wait until he does so since it looks better than a redrawing attempt.
>>288339707Sunday?
>>288337278How does that work?
>>288339721...is Wednesday!
>>288338780Comix says you can mail them for upload perms but they haven't gotten back to me, and I think they've started compressing imagesAs in nowhere, hope that helped
>>288327785>>288327848>>288328230For some epubs the images aren't sorted, the ordering information is in the book spine so you'll have to do it with some script.
>>288335876Have you considered just putting a black box over the questionable bits for the LLM redrawing part? t. has never used slop for redrawing
>>288337110I've made fast scans solo in like 2-3 hours, but then there's usually not a lot of redrawing and I use simple typesetting.
>>288338780>Ok so where the fuck do we upload now?As long as it's possible to upload and the aggregators scrape it, I'm probably just going to upload to mangadex.There aren't an awful lot of alternatives, just like mangago, mangatoro, and mangaball or something. Might be more now, haven't check everythin.moe in a while.
>>288341502People have continued my series on MD after the takedowns and disclaimer that they will give your details to whoever asks for it if they ever do another copyright claim. That was enough to scare me off the site for good but some people simply don't care.
Where's the best place to buy harta magazine? Kobo?
>>288341526yeah, I nuked all of my releases off mangadex, and now I've made a new user where I solely upload with vpn. even the mail attached to it I only use with vpnI'm fairly certain they'll throw anyone uploading there under the bus if they ever get in legal issues, so better safe than sorrystill upload there though, but I'll nuke my releases some day I guess
>>288341578That's what I've used in the past
My redrawer went mia, is it finally my time to slop
>>288341578Kobo is one of the easiest places to rip from (kobo desktop app with calibre/dedrm/obok) but support for their app is going to dissappear some time in the future when they update their store. But afaik it still works, though it's been a couple of weeks since I last bought something.You get untouched epubs so that's really good. Afaik the quality should be the same across stores like amazon, bookwalker, and kobo. At least I haven't noticed any difference. Though I mainly use kobo with calibre and bookwalker with the scanlation school script (which is slow and doesn't get epubs)
>>288341691If you're outside of the US or other supported countries, you need to change your location in windows settings, and you might need to use a vpn. But after you've logged in once, it should be good.
>>288341526I simply don't care because it's delusional to think they needed your consent to do that. All these sites would happily sell you out to save themselves. The real protection has always been that we aren't worth the trouble.
>>288341865it's also kind of silly considering pirate bay tried doing something similar and failed spectacularly
>>288276661how do you get involved in scanlation work?
>>288341742It's even simpler than that: During the login you need to switch to Rakuten ID. With a Japanese IP you simply default to that.
What font is used for the moans here?https://e-hentai.org/s/60f20e7e89/3879265-13
>>288342042easiest is just pick something you want to work on, start as a solo scanlator, and then try to recruit with a credits page or somethingit's not particularly hard to learn, but it's a bit of work and effort
>>288342042Start by figuring out which role(s) interest youThen keep an eye out for series you read that have recruitment messages at the end of chaptersOr if there's a group whose tastes align with yours see if they have any contact infoIf none of these apply to you, you can just ask here, anons are starved for slaves who'd do their work for themIf you know Japanese though the world's your oyster
Is there a set time when magazines go on sale? And is it simultaneously on all platforms? I won't name it but it's one from Kodansha.
>>288342393usually at midnight in japan at release day
>>288342419I see, thanks
It's 12AM in Japan now!Mags are out and reading websites are updated. Time for work everyone!
>>288342953
>>288342953Is there some underground magazine sharing cartel I'm not a part of? I only see them ~12 hours later on those raw-dl adjacent sites. Can I tap into their sources somehow? BW anon is still MIA right?
>>288343440Some of them get posted on nyaa, but not an awful lot.You can buy them. A handful of magazines aren't ripped or put up on those sites after all.I must admit that I mostly just use public raws when I scanlate. I think I've only bought magazine raws for one series, and I quit after a while because I just couldn't defend buying a magazine for just one chapter.The shitty thing about those public raws, besides having to click through tons of ads of course, is that a lot of them have decreased quality and jpeg artifacts to compared to clean rips.Not sure if they do it on purpose or something, but it is kinda annoying. Maybe to avoid getting into trouble or something by sharing an inferior product? I dunno.
>>288343747>A handful of magazines aren't rippedIsn't it the majority of magazines?
>>288343810>Isn't it the majority of magazines?no, the majority of magazines are ripped and available, usually without water marks. it's harder to find volumes without water marks though, but in general I always buy and rip volumes myself, to make sure I get the best qualitythe one I was writing about was manga time original, but I wasn't able to find it ripped anywhere and ripped it myselfthere's barely any manga in it that are getting scanlations, I think it's only two series now
>>288343440>Is there some underground magazine sharing cartel I'm not a part of?Anyone remember 10th Mystery? What was it like to have access to their shit?
>>288344191>no, the majority of magazines are ripped and availableAll those random BL and TL magazines?
>>288343440>Is there some underground magazine sharing cartel I'm not a part of?Yes it's called Kobo.It's such a premium cartel that you need to pay the ringleader for every magazine, but it's still cheaper than importing paper.
>>288343440Besides what was mentioned about magazine scans, most sites update their free chapters listing around this time. So you can rip them if you are waiting for that.
Made me chuckle.
>>288332002Yeah, infographics are annoying. You need to use a different font for each part and redraw text that's on shapes like pie charts, which is annoying.
>>288346158Horrible.
>>288346158how about changing it to french?
I remember years ago finding a chart that's titled "great manga that needs translation". The title spells it out, a bunch of manga that had no translation at the time and are great according to the maker.Does anyone have it? I want to check it again just for fun.
>>288346158the way this is handled in official translations is usually with square brackets or similar, and a note about it.
>>288350455I'll help.
If the author of the series you’re working on posted something like this how would you react?
>>288352086>no official translation whatsoever>"WAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH WHY DO PEOPLE CARE ENOUGH ABOUT MY ART TO TRANSLATE IT SO THAT IT CAN REACH A WIDER AUDIENCE?!?"Does this fucking retard not want his series to get with attention overseas to get picked up for an official release? Japanese people are so fucking stupid when it comes to this sort of thing.
>>288352214I don't know why I said "his" when this mangaka is clearly a woman. But my point still stands.
>>288352086who is this?
>>288352344The author of an obscure yuri manga named "Haikei, Arishi Hi ni Saku Hanatachi". The translations she's literally crying about barely ever get any attention.
>>288352401wait why is she complaining?
>>288352086maybe I’d take down the omake manga
>>288352086It's the usual melty but 敵 from the author themselves is a first. I'd talk to them without revealing I'm the scanlator, then shill their series's JP store links. Me stopping wouldn't change shit for most series, just a temporary 3 month delay of the inevitable. >>288352401/u/ has their own long running scanlation thread and are much more passionate in general, so what I said applies doubly so
>>288352530Yeah, seeing her explicitly refer to scanlators as "my enemy" had me fucking dumbstruck for a second. That one was uniquely extreme. IIRC, /u/ played a pretty huge role in saving Love Bullet, did they not? The poor woman doesn't even realize the extent to which the people she views as stealing her work are literally on her side. >>288352506She's upset about overseas fans translating her work—especially the volume extras as she understandably considers those to be an expression of gratitude toward people who purchased the tankobon. I think she just doesn't understand the this isn't something hurting her bottom line, and may well be lashing out and looking to ascribe blame to anyone possible for her series not being bigger than it is. It wouldn't be the first time.
>Checking Twitter for fanart>See pages I've worked on posted there
>>288352086Anon, why do you have the Chinese font set for Japanese?
>>288354442That’s a bsky thing
>>288352086My author has transcended the reality of the industry and only complains about the immorality of scalpers
I think I'm a masochist, since I've scanned two different editions of the same series.
>>288352086I mean what follows the enemy line suggests some annoying westoid tried to lecture her on piracy.
>Comiplex will require a コミチID to read and the latest 2 chapters will required payment after site renewalYOU SAID THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO IMPROVE SERVICE YOU FUCKING JAPSSSS!!!!!
>>288315400>>288321471>>288321123>>288324056>>288323348As someone who solo translated a series and spent half my time on each chapter redrawing every page. I discovered the fastest and best looking solution to be the simplest one. color in everything you want to remove with a bright color on a new layerPrompt Gemini to remove that and leave the rest of the image aloneMake the generated image a clipping mask for the color layer you scribbled Then it looks pretty decent 90% of the time and you have full control over what gets changed and how it will integrate into the page. I can now "redraw" a chapter in like 10 minutes and anything I don't like I just go and fix by hand pretty quickly.
>>288356651The transition between the RD and original is too abrupt using this method, is there a way to make it more fuzzy
>>288353403They still aren't buying manga other than Love Bullet.If people wanted to be on the side of the authors they should work with them on releasing a translated version via official channels or at least make sure only people who bought the volumes get access to the bonus content.
>>288357546>If people wanted to be on the side of the authors they should work with them on releasing a translated version via official channels99% of authors would be dismissive of cooperating with a gaijin literal who and would see you as a redistributor of paywalled content
>mfw I gave my group the Irish Goodbye because I got tired of working with them>mfw they haven't released a chapter in months and it's all my fault
>>288352086reply やめないよ and attach a fully scanlated pagethe lesson must be taught with a blood tribute
>>288352086kms and take a picture of myself and dm it to them
>>288357860Not if it's distributed via Kadocomi, Bookwalker or similar channels.
>>288354584No, it's a you thing, retard
>>288352401It has an official Taiwanese translation.Maybe she thinks that if the English scanlators were a little bit less evil, their translation could be official too.
>>288278630Don't these things always just completely redraw the image from the ground up when being asked to make an edit rather than leave all the other pixels perfectly as they are and just edit the parts asked to?
How come no one tried to make a company that would act as a middleman between freelance scanlators, Japanese publishers, and bookstores, to legitimize and publish the scanlations?I know it's not all of them, there are hardcore piracy purists out there, but a considerable portion of the global population of scanlators would be happy to get paid peanuts make their translation official and support the author that way.It's a huge untapped market that a centralized professional translation company cannot handle, but a distributed network that can already exists.
>>288358620yes but AIniggers say it's "good enough"
>>288358664Because why would they do that if they can just get professional translators?You're basically asking “Why is no one paying for bad translators with bad Japanese?”.Also, with minimum wage laws around, they would legally have to be paid a certain minimum they're frankly not worth.You're also asking “Why don't more titles get an official translation?” and the answer for that is that the market is only so big.>>288358670The feature inside of Photoshop works.
>>288358539it's JP font for me on other sites, not my fault. It's never my fault.
>>288358664DLsite Translators Unite.
>>288358688>>288358664The bigger thing is licensing rights. In most cases nip publishers sell licensing rights for a huge lump sum + peanuts in terms of royalties per unit sold. That network wouldn't cough up the lump sum. And you can bet your ass the author won't see squat from the lump sum but will be told by the publisher that anything not going through their channels is terribad for them, see the xitter crybaby which was posted. Not like they'll see much of the cut of the cut of the royalties anyway.
Nice English title
>>288355355Any differences between the two?
>>288360099I don't think the author is using the word gaping properly.Or at least he's not goonerbrained enough to know.
>>288358664If there were a hypothetical logistical structure around it then functionally it wouldn't be all that different from a normal publishing company.
>>288348178Well, I tried to look for it in my charts folder but couldn't find it. I found this, though. I don't know how old it is, most of these are done and fully translated.Maybe it was this one and I misremembered it. Hope someone shares it if they have it.
>>288360999Nowadays they just throw the name into a machine translator and run with whatever garbage it shits out.
>>288362013what am i seeing here
>>288362013And people insist this isn't censorship.
>>288362056they changed the damn name and the translation should've just been "lulu" if they didn't want to add -chan
>>288361472a good half of them have completed official translation just from the top of my head
>>288362013Gotta admit that’s hilarious.
>>288361472would like to see a current version of this
How would (You) localize ロックス?
>>288340478>For some epubs the images aren't sorted, the ordering information is in the book spine so you'll have to do it with some script.Epubs use html, so you can extract any information from there, then do this and that and use ReNamer to rename pics in the right order. A little annoying, but nothing hard.
>>288358620Yes. The point to have as close image to original as possible is that there's higher chance that the parts you actually wanted to redraw will have better connection with the rest when you cut/copy/mask those parts.Obviously there's retards like >>288358670 who's thinking about using the whole AI-generated page as-is, but you shouldn't be one of them and do at least minimally proper job.
>>288363658isn't it a person's name?also you spelled it wrong
