Almost 20 years later and this is still one of the most retarded plot decisions I've ever seen.What the fuck was Kubo thinking?
>>288294559It was funny
>>288294559It's nothing that special unless your autistic or something.>aizen gave them numbers from 1-10>tried to make it strongest to weakest with the information he had at his disposal>like for instance ulquiorra was probably stronger than aizen knew because he was hiding his second form>anyway yammy decided to be a funny cunt and erase one of his numbers when he transformedIt's just a bit of banter, not like the numbers were an absolute indicator of anything.
>>288294559read more manga, it's nothing even worth talking about
>>288294559Just Tite being big brain
it should have just been his second stage of resurreccion just like with ulquiorra
>>288294559The problem is that no one can agree on who's the strongest.Is it #0 because he's ranked first?Is it #1 because his aura is so powerful it's literally a death field?Is it #2 because of his Respira ability that disintegrates everything?Is it #4 because of his second transformation?No one knows.
>>288294961that's not a problem
>>288294559I wouldn't have an issue with that, if there hadn't been a guy from the villain group explicitly mentioning that the numbers go from 1-10.Kubo should have planned this from the beginning and made him go "Rumors say there is even a number 0, but no one has ever seen him, so many of us assume he doesn't exist." or something like that
>>288294559It was dumb, but the memes were amazing. I wouldn't have it any other way.
>>288295013It got established prerty early on that the numbers are just formal rankings assigned by Aizen and not an innate natural law or anything by showing Grimmjow get demoted
>>288295175So? That doesn't change a single fucking thing about the retconned zero reveal
>>288294559We used to joke about this before it was ever revealed in the manga, imagine our reaction. It genuinely gives Buggy D. Clown vibes,
>>288295188that numbers can go up and down was established. That Yammy changed his number all the way down to zero when he fully powered up didn't contradict anything important nor did it change a single thing about the lore or plotIt can't even be called a retcon since it doesn't change any continuity retroactively. We also already knew Yammy wasn't at full power when he first came to the mortal world
>>288295175What the fuck is that supposed to prove? Grimmjow got demoted cause he lost a fucking arm.
>>288294559he was zero a.k.a a fucking loser
>>288295248It was pretty much a retcon since Espada number 10 essentially does NOT exist anymore even though Yammy is running around with a big number 10 tattooed on him. Even Kubo knew it was dumb, didn't even bother showing Yammy's fight on screen because who cares.
>>288295278it doesn't actually change anything and he threw that line in to be funny since the fight didn't matter anyway so at least readers would get a laugh out of Yammy's bullshit
>>288294559Probably the single most retarded decision in bleach with zero foreshadowing. Even less than Silver of Stillness.
>>288295278Arrancar numbering is retarded in general and was devised as a plot twist device.What do you mean the number signifies the order of creation only beginning with 11? Why is that? Was Shawlong the first Arrancar Aizen made? What do you mean "20 bretheren", when Numeros go at least into 70s? Did Aizen make 50 Arrancar in the span of a few weeks?What do you mean Privaron Espada are triple digit? Why Grimmjaw had his number removed instead of being demoted to Tres Cifras?People tend to shit on TYBW for inconsistencies, plot holes and lore breaking, But the Arrancar arc is much, much worse in this regard.
>>288294961Does it matter? Tosen outright claims he is stronger than all the espada and Gin looked stronger than him. Not to mention only wonderweiss was useful to Aizen's plan on defeating Yamamoto. It was a good idea for Kudo to do the alphabet for his next crew of baddies and avoid all that ranking stuff Quincies are easy to understand Yhwach > Jugram > Royal Guard > everyone else
>>288295580not to mention Aizen ends the arc expressing disappointmentEven he was like 'Damn I thought I was cooking with this HGK forced evolution on them but all I got was midbosses'
>>288295564>People tend to shit on TYBW for inconsistencies, plot holes and lore breaking, But the Arrancar arc is much, much worse in this regard.I mean no it's not but yes it's pretty fucking bad.
>>288294559What I don't like about the Espada is that they never felt like a threat beyond the beginning of the arc. >Out of nowhere, the captains are much stronger than they were before>The Espada were apparently just a “distraction”>The fights take place in the Netherworld, Hueco Mundo, or whatever they call that alternate dimension.It’s by far the biggest arc and also the arc that defines the series. But the way Kubo handled the material was kind of lackluster. For me, it’s just another point in favor of TYBW
>>288295580I mean you just demonstrated why they're not easy to understand, we don't know how strong anyone is relative to anyone except Yhwach and Jugram.
>>288295623A problem with the Arrancar arc isn't a point in favor for TYBW.
>>288294559The most retarded decision was he did this twist...and then have the guy get off-screened.
>Gets his ass kicked by two captains anyway
>>288295638Yes, it is for me. There are high stakes, and even though the power-ups still don't feel earned. You get a sense of danger and resolution, which is completely absent from the Arrancar arc. Which was much longer than TYBW
>>288294559This was literally just stolen from Gamefaqs. Same with zabuza sword. And ninja tanks. It's so FUCKING WEIRD. all of these were hardcore gamefaqs anime ot memes that ended up being memes here too during serialization. Within the span of like one month, "what if I told you I was the zero espada?" "zabuza sword cannot be beat / zabuza sword returning during Hunt for ItachiIt was crazy af100% a sj editor was on gamefaqs ot during that timeI pity anyone who didn't experience this. Still the most surreal thing I think I've seen and I'm shitty at explaining it. Like these were hardcore memes on gamefaqs ot. Everyone was demanding the return of zabuza sword. For yammy to actually be 0. Then both happened iirc weeks apart. Then the zombie ninja tanks meme and them turning madara into a tank in the OP but I think that was way way later actuallyStraight up, you guys are simply not as fun as that point of /a/ and ot. Ya'll are lame on god
>>288295621TYBW has much less inconsistencies and lore breaking, and even those were mostly ironed out in the anime with the hindsight.
>>288295623it is also representative of Kubo's signature 'mistake' as a writer which defines the series. Which is him going 'I'm not quite sure how to get from the starting point to the climax of the arc so I'll just invent a whole bunch of bad guys and have the good guys defeat them one by one' and then coming up with way more than is needed for the final confrontation to feel properly built upIt doesn't really bother me though since I never consumed Bleach serially. I always just caught up in massive chunks then left it for ages till I had more. I never got the experience "Oh god just wrap things up already"
>>288295623Soup society defines the series. What the fuck are you talking about? 99% of people did nothing but bitch and cry non stop week in and week out I'm both anime and manga the second they step into hueco Mundo and it becomes about wasting a third of the series fighting worthless filler arrancars. Not the espada even. Nobody thinks the arrancar arc defines bleach. It's either the beginning, soul society, or tybw (which I also think is wrong but new anime fans only care about AURA so they think tybw is PEAK). The aizen fight was hated. The karukura town has hated. Only sciezellapo and Ulw and Grimm fight (166 in the anime especially) were praised. Tourist.
>>288295686>soup society
>>288295629The power structure is easy to understand please take a look at the diagram.
>>288295663Fool that you are, you think just because someone got the idea on gamefaqs, that nobody else could think of the same idea on their ownNo Shueisha suit was going through google translated american forums in the 2000's when japan had its own social media
>>288295188It's not a retcon, it's just Yammy being a smug retard. The marks aren't inherently magic or anything, they're glorified tattoos. He just burned his own off.
>>288295686>Best-selling arc>Longest arc in the series>Supposedly didn't define BleachEveryone jumped right into the Arrancar arc. Ulquiorra, Aizen, Neliel, and Gremmy had become the de facto faces of the series. Besides Masked Ichigo. Both in Japan and the West, this was the arc people remember from the series. SC was loved by people, but it was also helped by the fact that people caught on to it at the end, at least here in the West. So this arc is fondly remembered because it didn’t have the weekly reactions like “how did Ichigo get that power-up?”
>>288295708Once you reach a certain level of popularity fans will guess everything by sheer volume of guesses.
>>288295711Some people really fucking struggle with the idea that "sometimes characters lie or bluff or otherwise misrepresent the truth, and the author won't always hold your hand and have a character look at the camera to say "well that was full of shit"and then they turn around and say actually putting anything in your story that requires a bit of critical thinking and interpretation is bad writing. You'd never see this is MY favorite childrens cartoon"
>>288295708Ihttps://youtu.be/BylkQHFemTwNigger they literally put the gamefaqs madara ninja tank meme in the 13th op. Please explain literally any, literally ANY in-canon explanation for them turning madara into a ninja tank in the op against the 5 kage which was the exact gamefaqs meme? >nothing ever happensYou weren't there zoomer
>>288295729Delusional. Hueco Mundo is consistently considered the low point of the series bar none once you ignore the filler-Canon arc with Ginjo. Arrancar and Hueco Mundo are not the same and Hueco Mundo rides off of Arrancar to pretend it's as good, which it is not whatsoever.
>>288295733Yeah, I remember back in the day reading one of those "Naruto runs away from leaf and gets picked up by a bad guy" fics on FFnet that actually guessed/predicted Zabuza's sword having the power of magically fixing itself with the iron in its victims' blood.
>>288295738>Some people really fucking struggle with the idea that "sometimes characters lie or bluff or otherwise misrepresent the truth.I may be wrong but things like this don't happen very often in shounen manga, usually you're supposed to accept what characters say at face value. In Bleach, however, almost everyone is either wrong or lying all the time.
>>288295788I'm just stating facts. It was the best-selling arc of the series, and almost all the merchandise is still focused on the Arrancar characters. That’s why Gremmy came back, even though he’s objectively weaker than the Quincy “muh, Arrancar virus” bullshit, because the Quincy would curbstomp the Hollows anyway. This “Hueco Mundo was the decline” stuff is just internet nonsense. People stuck around until the series lost its audience during the slower-paced Fullbringer arc.
>>288295803it comes down to who the writer is rather than what magazine it's being published in.and even then in the anglosphere you see lots of cases where a character uses a certain nip turn of phrase or wordplay or quote from a famous old nip story that the scanlator didn't pick up on and translated literally with no TN
>>288295835You keep saying gremmy but you mean grimmjow. Gremmy was the creepy quincy kid that had imagination powers that fought kenpachi.
>>288295803that's why it's so revolutionary mate
>>288295837>the scanlator didn't pick up on and translated literally with no TNBleach translations result is so many false theories it's absurd.>>288295850I know. But people call me crazy for these claims.
>>288294559>What the fuck was Kubo thinking?I feel the same way about the transition from a cool urban fantasy action series to outright shonenslop.
>>288295803>everyone is either wrong or lying all the time.Learning and uncovering the truth is one of the biggest recurring themes Bleach has. This wouldn't make hit as hard if everyone was super truthful. Pretty much every major character has a big lie they tell or uncover as part of their character.
>>288294961I say it's Tia because she's easily the most likable of all these tryhard losers. And yes, before you make a thing of it, the fact she is hot as hell doesn't hurt.
>>288295775How is it possible they're fighting Obito and Madara in OPs 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 Jesus fucking christ what the fuck I haven't watched the anime outside of key fights lol how is it that fucking bad
Tatsuki should have gotten powers as well.
>>288295956All of the Ichigo's school squad (Keigo, Mizuiro and Tatsuki) probably got powers from Ichigo, given the fact that they can see spirits and withstand Aizen's Reiatsu. They just didn't have an opportunity to Manifest them. And likely never will.
>>288295775>where could any animator possibly get the idea of Madara using an earth jutsu to make rock armor
>>288295686>Stand up, be strong, know right, from wrong, forever hence, believe yourself
>>288295623The actual problem with the arrancar arc which is a huge problem with Kubo as a writer in general is that he wanted to wank specific characters so much that the others don't make the impact they need to for the stakes to felt by the audience. He wanted Aizen to solo the gotei 13 so badly that the gotei 13 suffered hardly any casualties while fighting the Espada. And at the end of the day it's like....the Espada didn't do shit. They really didn't. Even the Tres Bestias at least took out some Vice Captains. Harribel never hurt a soul. The only Espada that did anything was Barragan because he took Soi Fon's arm, but that's not much considering what the Espada lost.
>>288295951The war arc is half of all of Shippuden. There's 20 seasons and Obito declares war in season 9.
>>288296000They didn't get powers, they got more spiritual pressure from hanging around Ichigo.
Enough bitching about how the series is trash. Post attractive ghost women.
>hypes espada 0>gets offscreen'd?????
>>288295956If it were up to me, Tatsuki would've been the protagonist.
>>288296086>He wanted Aizen to solo the gotei 13 so badly that the gotei 13 suffered hardly any casualties while fighting the Espada.This is the big issue. The quincy royal guard didn't kill any captains either but they took them off the table. I guess defeating Shinji, Urahara, Yoruichi, Isshin and Yamamoto wasn't good enough tp show that Aizen was super duper strong.
>>288296107Substitute Shinigami powers are similar to those of a Power-Sharing Quincy: you get Reiryoku buffs by hanging around one, and they can bestow powers to you. The difference is that in case of Power-Sharing Quincies you need to partake their blood to get powers, but in case of Substitute Shinigami you need to make an oath. So it depends whether or not Keigo, Mizuiro and Tatsuki pledged to Ichigo.
>>288296167>AIZEN IS DA STWONGESTThis is why I hate shonen.
>>288294559>starkfags on suicide watchReminds me when madara turned into an inflated balloon.
>>288296134>hypes??????
>>288296170Substitute shinigami can't make fullbringers tho. Fullbringers are decided before birth whenever the mother came into contact with a hollow. Chad and Orihime's fullbring "awakened" due to being close to the hogyoku inside Rukia.
>>288296124Say no more, chief.
>>288296253Chad and Orihime are not Fullbringers. They're not categorised as Fullbringers in Character Books (but rather as 能力者, "a person with abilities"), their abilities are not named in English (because they're "of different framework" as confirmed by Kubo), and they didn't even make Chad a member of Xcution: he never had a memberhsip card number.>"awakened" due to being close to the hogyoku inside Rukia.Yes, the powers manifested because of Hougyoku. Hougyoku, despite being an ultimate Whshimaster, never did anything impossible. Arrancar occur naturally, Ichigo's case shows that making as Shinigami-Hollow hybrid is possible, powers in people with sufficient Reiryoku are possible, Ichigo taking all of Rukia's powers is nothing unusual (given the fact that taking powers is another ability in Substitute Shinigami and Power-Sharing Quincy power sets), going trascendental is difficult, but not impossible. All Hougyoku does is makes it so that all variables lead to a desired outcome. So it contributed in pushing Orihime and Chad to using powers they didn't know they already had.
>>288295938Harribel gets one-shotted by Barragan
>>288294961Powerlevel faggotry is a mental illness. Just make your own headcanon if you care so much anon. Kubo doesn't own you anything and neither do you.
>>288296167It's fucking stupid...I still would've believed Aizen was OP if Love, Rose, Lisa, and maybe Komamura weren't part of the fight vs Aizen. Aizen soloing Shunsui, Toshiro, Shinji, Soi Fon and I guess Kira and Iba and Momo was way more than enough proof. The Espada could have done SOME significant damage.
>>288296387Harribel probably gets one-shotted by Nnoitra. She's completely fucking useless.>inb4 but muh brown titties
>>288296366Can't fear your own world confirms Orihime and Chad are fullbringers. Novels trump databooks. They are of a different framework and are named differently due to their nature stemming from the hogyoku.
>>288296483>Can't fear your own world confirmsLOL.>Novels trump databooks.LMAO even.
>>288294559The espada rankings reflected Aizen's mental state. We think the angry guy is the weakest because Aizen is calm, but he actually has tremendous anger over the state of the world.
>>288296428Enough Nnoitra dickriding for today, Tesra.
>>288296493You wanted to bring in material outside the manga. Everything in the manga point towards chad and Orihime being fullbringers.
>>288296535
>>288295013where
>>288295788>Arrancar and Hueco Mundo are not the sameYes, they are. If you want to say the first third of the Arrancar Arc is better than Hueco Mundo or Fake Karakura, be my guest. But they are all the Arrancar Arc. They all have Arrancars. That's like saying only the Forest of Death in Naruto is "the Chunin Exam Arc" and the tournament is a separate thing because it's in a different spatial location.
>>288296556>Everything in the manga point towards chad and Orihime being fullbringers.Not really. Even if you don't refer to auxiliary materials:>No justification for their mothers being attacked by a Hollow before birth.>Chad outright stating that his skin being his object of affinity is bullshit, and Ginjo (aka a lying piece of shit) waving it off.>Chad was not an Xcution member according to manga, as his membership number is not mentioned even in omake pages.>Neither Chad nor Orihime never showed any other Fullbringer powers like Soul Manipulation or Bringer Lights, which is especially weird for Chad, who spend weeks with Xcution training.The only solid argument towards their powers being Fullbrings in the manga is the fact, that Chad feels that his powers are Hollow in nature, all the others are smoke and mirrors.
>M-Muh 0 espada reveal!It was stupid on purpose. Kubo never took Yami seriously, neither should you. Literally Nappa of Bleach.
>>288296493>novel planned by Kubo is non-canon>but databook by Pierrot staff is truer than Kubo's own words
The only boring sections of the Arrancar saga were the fights ichigo and co had with the lower ranking fodder of Las Noches and the pillar fights in FKT. Other than that it's good with decent pacing on a binge read.
>>288294925I love onions fon.
>>288296777>databook by Pierrot staff
>>288296798
>>288296777>novel planned by KuboLOL. At best he gave Narita vague ideas. No way Kubo would plan an entire series of novels with Shuuhei of all people as the protagonist.>databook by Pierrot staff LMAO even. Spot Pierrot logo for me, please. I migh've gone blind.
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>>288296857Ah, NTA, but this answers one of my questions. Shawlong was indeed the first Arrancar created by Aizen.
>>288296752>No justification for their mothers being attacked by a Hollow before birth.Doesn't need one. Hollows attack people, that is their thing. >Chad outright stating that his skin being his object of affinity is bullshit, and Ginjo (aka a lying piece of shit) waving it off.What chapter was that? It is 436 where he correctly instructs Ichigo to activate his fullbring by using his own experience with his pride in his dark skin as a guide. >Chad was not an Xcution member according to manga, as his membership number is not mentioned even in omake pages.Remember that Xcution's goal wasn't to recruit fullbringers, it was to steal Ichigo's power. Chad was a tool in that plan. Moe also didn't have a membership card yet he is 100% a fullbringer. >Neither Chad nor Orihime never showed any other Fullbringer powers like Soul Manipulation or Bringer Lights, which is especially weird for Chad, who spend weeks with Xcution training.Chad doesn't show anything because he never does anything.If you don't like them being fullbrings, I don't really care but it is clear as day that is what they are.
>>288296788I liked those fights.
>>288296617Yeah, she hasn't been treated well in the manga, but she's not losing against Inceltra either.
>>288297010>Hollows attack people, that is their thing. And people usually die from Hollow attacks. Survival is rare, that's why Fullbringers are so few. I personally find it really strange, that despite the revelation of Fullbring's source, Chad doesn't mention, even in passing, some story about how his parents almost died for inexplicable reason, which would make it easier for Ichigo to believe Ginjo.>What chapter was that? It is 436?It's 444, actually. And I misremebered, Chad was talking about Fullbring chahging. >where he correctly instructs Ichigo to activate his FullbringIt's because all powersystems are related in one way or another. Orihime's and Chad's powers are closer to Fullbrings than others. But they're closer to Schrifts than anything.>Remember that Xcution's goal wasn't to recruit fullbringers, it was to steal Ichigo's power.That's right. Why don't give Chad a membership to uphold the ruse then? He's been with them for weeks.>Moe also didn't have a membership card yet he is 100% a fullbringer. Yet he's not featured in the omake character card spreads. Chad is. Even Tsukishima is mentioned as "Former leader", but Chad's relation to Excution is omitted on these, despite his obvious affinity to them.>Chad doesn't show anything because he never does anything.Orihime doesn't show these powers either, which is not strange per se, as there was no psecial training. Nevertheless, Chad gets much more action on TYBW anime, yet no Bringer Lights even though most om the said action is up in the sky.
>>288297161Here is Kubo saying Chad and Orihime are in a special category of fullbring on klub outside.
>>288294559Not having good payoff
>>288297190I'd argue this is a mistranslation.>Q152>チャドと織姫の完現術の名前がXCUTIONと違って英語ではないのは何故ですか？ 先生は陣営によってネーミングに用いる言語を使い分けていたので気になりました。>Why Chad's and OIrihime's Fullbrings are not named in English, like in XCUTION? I'm interested because you use different languages for each faction.>A152.>2人は特別枠なのでそれぞれの母語で名前がついてます。>Those two are of a separate framework, so they're named in the characters' mother tongues.So this QnA means that they are not Fullbringers.
>>288295623>Out of nowhere, the captains are much stronger than they were beforeThey were always strong. Ichigo never truly beat a captain in SS, Kenpachi was holding back and he needed the mask to beat Byakuya. Byakuya hard countered Zommari who was weaker than Grimmjow, and he would have been training in the months leading up to the hueco mundo arc anyway. Mayuri beat Szayel easily because of prep time, not because he's super strong. Aaoroniero died because he got cocky and let his guard down, but he beat Rukia fairly easily. Toshiro hard countered Harribel and even then wasn't able to fly beat her, it was Aizen who stabbed her in the back. Barragan was clearly stronger than. Soi Fon, he just got outsmarted by Hachi.The only ones that seemed like they got overpowered when they shouldn't have were Nnoitra, Yammy and Starrk. But those make more sense in hindsight. Kenpachi was always that strong, he just stopped holding back against Nnoitra and again with Yanmy (this should've been on-screen though). Kyoraku at that point was the strongest captain after Yamamoto, we just didn't know until then. Keep in mind that Kyoraku never showed his true strength in SS.>The Espada were apparently just a “distraction”That's in-character for Aizen though. He doesn't give a shit about others>The fights take place in the Netherworld, Hueco Mundo, or whatever they call that alternate dimensionThere's nothing wrong with this
Fullbring is the best Arc. The Gotei 13 will forever be the albatross around Kubo's neck from a writing standpoint
>>288294559Akshually in programming languages often things are indexed starting from zero so it makes perfect sense
>>288295951It's a long ass arc, but also Pierrot went full retard with the fillers. They kept padding it even after the manga ended so they could keep milking it
>>288297233That's not what it means. They're unique in how they were obtained because they didn't have them from birth, that's it
>>288297289No they are special because the hogyoku caused them to awake without the usual steps. They had the potential since birth.
>>288297321>No>agrees
>>288294961they lined up on power scale inspection day and weighed powerz
>>288297190>special categoryIt's like even Kubo realizes he did Orihime dirty by somehow never doing anything substantial with her or her power to retcon things out of existence.
I'd be happier with it if Yammy didn't immediately fucking job offscreen.Did they at least show the fight in the anime?
>>288295663Manga chapters are submitted like a whole month ahead of time to the magazine. There would be no time to incorporate a theory "in the span of a month" because that theory was probably posted AFTER the chapter was already finished and submitted.
>>288297585I think Kubo might have expected that fans would not be happy with the ending as though Orihime cheated to reach the timeline with the ending/result she wanted.And by fans, I meant the Ichiruki shippers kek
>>288296390They were literally ranked by Aizen based on their power level until they suddenly weren't. And you'll never fucking convince me Harribel was stronger than Ulq.
>>288295564>Was Shawlong the first Arrancar Aizen made?Yes. Btw Grimmjow is arrancar 12 and also espada 6>What do you mean "20 bretheren", when Numeros go at least into 70s? Did Aizen make 50 Arrancar in the span of a few weeks?I think he began creating arrancars while still undercover in SS, as seen in Baraggan's flashback. But what's wrong if he did it in a few weeks?>What do you mean Privaron Espada are triple digit?Add a 10 in front of what their espada rank wasWhy Grimmjaw had his number removed instead of being demoted to Tres Cifras?Aizen never intended to demote him, Luppi was brought in to motivate him
>>288294559Zagetsu being young not-giga jew is probably way worse since it doesn't really add anything to the plot.
>>288294559? It's a pretty normal average plot twist. It makes sense too, nobody ever said the Espada go from 1 to 10. The only thing it has going against it is that it's wasted on Yammy who just turns into a huge gorilla that's supposed to be stronger than Ulquiorra and Starrk. If let's say Starrk was #3 but than was revealed to be #0 nobody would have any issue with it.
>>288299614Yeah, the issue wasn't that the Espada 0 ranking existed, it's just that Kubo gave that position to an uninteresting character. If Ulquiorra with his Segunda Etapa would have been the Espada 0 the twist would have been better received.
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>>288294559Imagine how much cooler his fight with Ichigo would have been if Ichigo didn't pussy out and agreed to switch with hollow bro.
>>288300199It wouldn't have been a fight, Yammy would have been defeated in seconds.
>>288300732and I would have enjoyed every second of it
>>288300770No doubt about it.
The real giga-brain twist would be that next page after this should been a cut to black, with the following page being Orihime waking up to head off to school. She puts her hand on the macguffin, says "I Reject." and none of that shit happened. People would've been pissed, but it would've been fucking based.
>>288294961To my knowledge, the numbered rankings were just indicators of how much spiritual energy or reatsu or what it was called, at their disposal. Not necessarily an indicator of their effectiveness in battle or the lethality of their powers.Yammy could very well have more reatsu than the rest of 'em, but that doesn't mean anything when he can't do shit besides angrily flailing around
>>288299501Good answers. Thanks.
>>288295738That doesn't preclude something from being a retcon, though. In fact "I was just lying lol" is an extremely common way for retcons to be handled. Part of the issue is people using retcon as a pejorative instead of the neutral descriptor it was coined to be, in part because when a retcon is obvious it usually means a story is kind of shit. In Western comics a retcon is easier to identify because they're often a byproduct of shifting editorial decisions and creative teams. Sometimes it is hard to pinpoint what was planned from the start as a deception and what is a retcon, but I don't think that really applies to most of Bleach (they're almost always obvious retcons). Yammy is so trivial it doesn't matter either way, though, really.
>>288296857Isn't this a blatant contradiction?
>>288299614>nobody ever said the Espada go from 1 to 10.At the beginning of the arc a character literally does, which is why Yammy's phrasing is so funny.
>>288296124>>288296272>>288296428Arrancar girls owe me sex.
>chad and orihime are so irrelevant kubo tells narita make them fullbringers in a novel that may not even be canonrofl
>>288294559Who the hell likes these horrendously colored manga? It see it in some of these daily manga dumps too, does someone genuinely prefer them? They're universally shit and low effort.
>>288295678A lot of battle shonen use that formula but Kubo was too attached to too many characters and it left the arcs very bloated and repetitive, made worse by the fights themselves all having the same dynamic. It's just characters trading shocked reactions until one of them drops dead. Vollstandig isn't meaningfully different from bankai or resurreccion either.
>>288299614But they did >>288296857
>>288296817Didn't one of the novels have Rukia starting to show signs of her sister's illness?
>>288294961Barragan being number 2 was the equivalent of a shitpost. Aizen made him number #2 purely to spite him and assert dominance. So yeah the Espada numberings are largely meaningless.
>>288302636>It's just characters trading shocked reactions until one of them drops deadThere are a lot of shocked reactions in Bleach, but battles are not only that.
>>288302216Mogged hard.
>>288294559It was a gag
>>288306024>Slop again
>>288295580>Tosen outright claims he is stronger than all the espada and Gin looked stronger than him.Bleachfags defend this after how the Vasto Lorde were hyped for a long time
>>288295580>>288306081Tosen wasn't the one who said that, it was Aizen.
>>288295956>>288296000Rockin' Future 7
>>288296086>>288296167>>288296179He was badly trying to ape Hao from Shaman King with Aizen but it just didn't work
>>288306024>candiceS tier
>>288306306Oh fuck me, you're right. Aizen is just a shitty bootleg of Hao, isn't he? Well, Bleach became a shitty bootleg of Shaman King, so I guess that tracks.
>>288306306Hao was shit.
I like Bambietta, personally. ... FUCK, the Vandenreich are even a ripoff of the X-Laws! Come the fuck on.
>>288306466They aren't a ripoff of the X-Laws, they're just super nazis.
>>288306486Yeah, like the X-Laws. Uryu is just Lyserg, even.
>>288306486They are in many regards, but mostly being Christian coded.
>>288306466Psychopath slut
>>288306555From what I remember the X-Laws were just crazy Christians, not nazis. Not like it matters because the only members I remember were memorable were Iron maiden Jeanne and the guy with glasses.
>>288306602And Quincies are crazy Christians too. With a tinge of Nazis, sure, but crazy Christians nonetheless.
>>288306625Perhaps, but the X-Laws were templar themed while the Wandenreich are nazis.
>>288306602>From what I remember the X-Laws were just crazy Christians, not nazis.Same thing. >Not like it matters because the only members I remember were memorable were Iron maiden Jeanne and the guy with glasses.Eh, you're not wrong. >this design... I need to re-watch Shaman King at some point. I forgot that it's actually kinda whack.
>>288306596They’re Jews, retard
>>288306733She was the only memorable character of the whole show for me.
>>288306663Sure, but you can't look at the two groups and claim that some inspiration wasn't taken.
>>288306770>Crosses everywhere.>Cowl for clothes.>Obvious Jesuit massacres reference.>Superforms are literally angels with halos.>Somehow this is Jewish.The retard is you.
>still thinking Ulq is the strongest Espada Starrk beat 2 Vizoreds and Ukitake, then wanted to die to Shunsui. Ichigo was still weaker than some of the captains at this time. The numbers are a shitpost and Aizen shouldn’t be taken seriously.
>>288306810I don't think there is much inspiration, Kubo never struck as a Shaman King fan to me unlike with his Saint Seiya/Yu Yu Hakusho influences. A group of angelic holy warriors who wear white is too broad of a concept to assume there was direct inspiration until confirmed by the author himself.
>>288306810Nah, very unlikely. Being a Christian coded group of antagonists is not something unique to X-Laws. Quincies were like that (minus the Nazi stuff) from the very first time they were introduced back in volume 4, and back then they were nothing like X-Laws.
>>288306904They have much more to do with Judaism than with Christianity, you just don't know what you're talking about.>Yhwach = Jewish Messiah + Adam Kadmon figure. Warrior savior who comes to conquer, unify his race and fuck everyone else. Name is straight up YHWH.>Every Quincy has a fragment of Yhwach's soul inside them = the divine spark from Jewish mysticism.>Schrifts = Hebrew letters from the blood pact with Yhwach that awaken the power of the soul. Direct reference to the 22 letters of the Hebrew alphabet in Jewish mysticism, each representing a cosmic principle.>Vollständig = angelic transformations based on Kabbalistic angels.>Yhwach's final plan: return the world to the primordial state before creation (end the cycle of life and death) = return to Ain Sof.>They rejected the cross and use the star instead. >Blue and white colors = Israeli flag + classic rabbinic Judaism
>0>-1
>>288306024>>288302216
>>288299614Yammy has a big number 10 tatted on him for the whole arc you dumb fuck apologist.
>>288306062with how little fanart Bleach gets if they stick to traditional art it'll just be the same shit recycled over and over again.
>>288306770Yhwach is Jewish only because he's literally Jesus and Jesus was a Jew. But the Quincy are Christians.
>>288308160>>288306024What if Candice went through with Giselle's suggestion and actually hit up Successor Boy?
>>288297239Ichigo completely outclassed all of them. They all played their trump cards, and some characters didn’t even have a super-duper comeback move (Kenpachi). My issue is the lack of stakes. TYBW had stakes. People died; people sacrificed themselves. It has all the problems of the earlier arcs but does everything better. The problem is that the character drama is worse than SC, which is by far the best part of the arc. Something that’s kind of undermined by the Aizen “big brain” revelation. Like, “You don’t hate each other because of deep-rooted issues, no, lol. That’s just a trick, and you’re all friends.” Lazy.
>>288308895uryu doesn't have a penis
>>288306379He was a way better villain than Gayzen
>>288306733>re-watch Shaman KingNoYou read SK, and only the fan translation(which sadly is nuked from mangadex) not the horrible official one that is a censored rewrite
>>288310247He wasn't. He wasn't even fun and got imagined as a fucking princess to save.
>>288306929Ulquiorra might be the strongest simply because the difference in power between 1-3 was indistinguishable. Senior captains couldn't tell who is the strongest among them just from sensing them.
>>288306602>Not like it matters because the only members I remember were memorable were Iron maiden Jeanne and the guy with glasses.Marco, Luchist(yes ex X-Laws but still), Jeanne, Lyserg are far more memorable than any quincy not named Ywach or Ishida, even then all those 4 are better characters than the latter twoThe rest of the X-Laws simply weren't fleshed out much at all and didn't have that much screen time devoted to them that's why they're not memorableBut even the background story of the X-Laws is more interesting, with them having lied to Jeanne all this time
>>288294559It wouldn't have been such a big deal on its own, but this stupid reveal was emblematic of the arc's worst sins: a slog with dozens of 'twists' and reveals without anything resembling a satisfying payoff that leaves you feeling like the whole thing was - even in the context of a children's comic - a pointless waste of time
>>288306904>>288307571Christianity is literally Judaism for the goyim you retards
>>288306810You know what else Kubo ripped off?
>>288310360He wonAizen lostAnd he's actually well written unlike ShitzenKubo forgot how to write good villains after Byakuya
>>288294559umm no it's a funny twist.>>288294961The number ranking has never been disputed by the narrative at all, I don't know why people make a fuss about it and act as if it's debatable. #1 is the strongest and #0 is the secret strongest, they get defeated by Yama's student (while holding back) and by the guy who can randomly tap into Unohana-tier strength with the right motivation. Ulquiorra second form doesnt do shit and it even gets defeated before the higher ranked ones do so even the narrative structure is telling you this guy is not worthy of being the final boss.On top of that you have extra material from one of the novels confirming that only #2, #1 and #0 have the firepower to hurt the novel's antag. Meaning you can only argue Ulquiorra vs Harribel at best>>288295580>Tosen outright claims he is stronger than all the espada He got genetically modified to *be* a Espada with a Resurreccion on top of already being a former capitain so it only makes sense.>Gin looked stronger than himHe doesnt, he does nothing to a nerfed Ichigo and stalemates Shinji offscreen.
>>288296857>>288296883You know, by this logic, Yammy is the first Arrancar created by Aizen.
>>288294559It was hilarious. The real shame is that 0 didn't really accomplish anything and was just a way to stall kenpachi
>>288294559If Yammy is supposed to be of the "Giant" race same as Jidanbo and other gatekeepers then it might be just hidden worldbuilding piece for the future.
>>288295738There does tend to be some disconnect with people unable to separate an author's viewpoints from a character's viewpoints. Authors can write characters with beliefs they themselves don't believe in, that's the whole point of fiction. Just another point of being unable to separate fiction from reality.
>>288310480>Marco, Luchist(yes ex X-Laws but still)No, Shaman King fag, no one remembers those randos from your manga. Jeanne was pretty cool at the beginning, but just that.The green haired guy was a faggot only liked my shota molesters.
>>288310582>And he's actually well writtenMaybe in your shota raping fantasies, Shaman King fag.
Ok so I've just started reading the CFYOW 1 and there's contradiction already. Ichibei said that they won't purify Grimmjow because that would imbalance the worlds, but Kubo in his Club Outside said that Arrancars are excluded from soul circulation and directly go to Hell as a result.I'm assuming that 99.9% of the novels aren't canon because of that.I bet only Hisagi-fags think novels are canon.
>>288311741Kubo didn't write the novels, so its content shouldnt be taken as canon.
Ichigo set an unreal standards for redheaded boys for mhes so hot yet gingers irl are so ugly
>>288312073That's what I was always thinking but so many people pull out of their ass that Kubo was very much directly involved in vague and ambiguous way that it made me read it so I could dissect it. I guess I don't need to read it anymore after page 15. Heh 15.
>>288312283Kubo was involved in the novel to some extent, he did the illustrations of the novel and checked its content, but never said he considered it canon, he simply approved Narita's ideas.
>>288312334Good to know.
>>288294559It was stupid but harmless. What was the consequence of that? Yammy just getting his ass kicked off-screen.
>>288294559He was thinking "Wouldn't it be funny if Renji didn't get a single win in Hueco Mundo?"
>>288312705Renji is the representative of Bleach going from cool action focused urban fantasy series to being forced into terrible shonen slop. Him getting punked out like the bitch he is is a good thing.
>>288312705What is my cousin doing there?
>>288312757He became strongert than half the Captains and fucks the deuteragonist's brains out on a regular basis. You're the only one getting punked out here.
did Aizen ever...?
>>288310543Damn, Kubo did it better than this.
Remember that time Rangiku was an important character?
Grimmjow is the strongest espada since I love him the most and I would conveniently write any asspull that makes him win
>>288314320>troongiku>importantlol
>>288314320If I remember correctly, she's got a piece of the Soul King as stated in the novels, before Aizen's minions took it from her.If Kubo canonizes this, she'll probably have some relevance in the Gerrard fight (at least acnowlodging that he's the Soul King heart to the rest of the Shinigamis)She even gave some strange look at him at the end of Cour 3.
>>288314320>>288314996The only thing special about Rangiku was that she as the Plus soul had the potential to become Shinigami, same as Gin, but Gin decided to "join" forces with Aizen. She was special to Gin and that what it was all about in the end - him trying to kill Aizen for revenge.I hope Kubo doesn't canonize Rangiku having any piece of Soul King because that's simply stupid, anybody can magically have a SK soul piece if plot ever demands it.
>>288294559more like zero payoff lmao
kubo!!!!!!!
>>288294559The problem is that he lost off screen, also this >>288294961
>>288315313That look she gave at Gerrard at the end of Cour 3 was a pretty indication Kubo will canonize this from the novels though.
>>288307571>Jewish Messiah + Adam Kadmon figureNot really. He's more like a mockery of God (due to taking the Tetragrammaton for name), and if you to compare him to a religious figure, he's more like than Antichrist (claims to be a Son of God, but isn't, marks people).>Every Quincy has a fragment of Yhwach's soul inside them.But they're not. First of all, Yhwach is not the Son of Adnyeus, and not the First Quincy, he can't be: he was born around 1200 years ago. He's just a reincarnation of him, same as Haschwalth. Second, Quincy don't have a fragment of his soul. Only those with whom he shared his power do. OMZ is not a fragment of Yhwach's soul, but a manifestation of Ichigo's Quincy powers within his Zanpakutou spirit.>Schrifts = Direct reference to the 22 letters of the Hebrew alphabet in Jewish mysticism, each representing a cosmic principle.Except they aren't They don't represent cosmic principles, but rather personal characteristics. And they're not 22. And they're strictly Latin characters (unless count Narita fanfics).>Vollständig = angelic transformations based on Kabbalistic angels.Angels, their hierarchy and most of their names are preserved in Christian texts. Why Vollstanding would be Kabbalistic angels specifically, despite looking like angels from Christian iconography, with wings and halos, is beyond me.>Yhwach's final plan = return to Ain Sof.There I don't have an argument against, but it stands solely on the idea of all of this is Kaballah, which it isn't.>They rejected the cross and use the star instead. Quincy Cross became has five rays since the Arrancar arc, under editorial pressure, I'd assume. And It was the banner of Lichtreich and Wandenreich for the longest time, only adding the sixth ray when Wahrwelt was established. And it's till a cross, not a star.>Blue and white colors = Israeli flag + classic rabbinic JudaismBlue and white is the colours which are often used for Christian-coded priests and nuns in anime.
>>288310707Why is that? Shwalong clearly says that the Arrancar numbering started from 11, and numbers from 1 to 10 were distributed later by merit. Grimmjaw was 12 initially, for example.
>>288312930>pointing out more reasons why he's shit is supposed to be some kind of gotcha???
>>288308160Candice looks like a rapist here.
How come when Grimmjow was kicked out of the Espada for losing his arm, they had Luppi come in as the new #6? Shouldn't they have had everyone else move up a number and so Zommari became the new #6 and Luppi was the new #10? If Luppi was next in line to be #6, why wasn't he #7?
>>288316688It seems that he was a freshly created one while trying to make Wondersweiss. Moreover, it was done solely to spite Grimmjow, so bringing a literal nobody as a replacement was like putting salt to the wound.
>>288314057This almost looks like Kubo's drawing.The face has too much detail, though.
But what if someone spreads rumors that you're a jerk?
>>288310430No, there was a clear difference lmao why would you say this
>>288311741>>288312073Kubo likes to put his name on all the novels but he really didn't write this shit. He told Narita some important lore details but he can't possibly tell Narita EVERYTHING.
>>288316021>That look she gave at Gerrard at the end of Cour 3 was a pretty indication Kubo will canonize this from the novels though.
>>288316479>he's shit because he's stronger than most of gotei 13's finest and canonicaly fucksAre you ok?
>>288316738>aizen was willing to ruin the integrity of the numbering system just to be a dick
>>288316688Because Aizen does what Aizen wants that's why.
Did it even matter? Wasn't Tammy off screened anyway? I don't think it had any impact on the plot at all.
>>288295623>and also the arc that defines the seriesWhat the fuck are you on about, Soul Society arc defined the series.
>>288294559he clearly wasn't
>>288316832I'm not saying this, the captains are saying this. Why would senior captains say this? I choose to believe in universe characters over people who try to powerscale.
>>288316913They've just ran out of tattoo ink.
>>288316982Aizen defines the series
>>288314320>>288315313I fucking love this pairing and their interactions, I really hope we get more of it, though I suppose it can only be through flashbacks.
>>288317936You're not believing anything they said your literally trying to contort their words to fit your desired meaning.
>>288294961Should be obvious. Ulquiorra is the only hollow that has access to essentially a true bankai (all other resurreccions are somewhere between a shikai and incomplete bankai)After him is Starrk and Lilynette who spiritual pressure-mog the rest of the espada together.Then Barragan because his hax.Then Yammy because he's a retard who gets less mobility as he transforms and can just be feasibly one-shot in his base form.
>>288319347Not really, no.
>>288319429You never posted a page of anyone saying there's no clear difference between their power. Be quiet. Seriously don't make another fucking post unless someone directly says whatever you're claiming. You dumbasses piss me off with this pretending shit.
>>288302216Meninas mogs them ngl
>>288295663I’m pretty sure the ninja tank meme was a misinterpretation of some fake spoilers mentioning Tobi bringing Sasuke a pair of spare eyes in a “tank” as in a container filled with fluid.
>>288319559I already did.
>>288319637lmao rangiku thinks she's part of the team
>>288319637Nobody said there's no clear difference between them. The characters haven't even started fighting yet. In fact the Espada don't know the difference between the captains either. Shunsui had to tell Starrk he was stronger than Toshiro. I know shounen fans are the low hanging fruit but the reading comprehension is in the gutter here.
>>288295564This came right after captain shota said only 10 vasto lordes could wipe out soul society. Then cut to aizen saying there are TWEEENTY DUNDUN DOO.then kubo realized he'd written himself into a corner and retconned it so that not even half the espada were vls, number 4 was actually the strongest and all jobbed
>>288319383>It should be obvious.>Immediately starts typing some halfwitted Bleach fanfiction.
>arguing on 4chan
>>288319684Wrong. Talk about reading comprehension. All Starrk asked is: whose bankai is stronger - that's because a bankai can be an increase of power anywhere between 5x to 10x.There is no such data about resurrections having the exact same power difference.
>>288319688That's because 10 VL + 3 ex captains > 10 captains + Ichigo in Toshiro's head.
>>288294559The numbers stopped mattering after Segunda. Anyone not realizing this, please do so now.
>>288296857and you can blatantly see wonderweiss ressurection silhouette herenow remind me which number did he held?
>>288316913Fuck would they do? He's stronger than any of them.
>>288319684Aizen wanted to be the main character and hired people. The problem is he has a mad burglar chin and broad arms so he has to use disguises. Shinji is the only one who sees Aizen yet they spent a good century goofing off. I can only assume Aizen got rid of Shinji cause their banter in Hueco Mundo would undermine the story or Shinji bankai might mess with the meetings
>>288319637I like to think Ukitake here is genuinely considering asking Aizen about the rankings
>>288320398Aizen is the type of guy who would actually honestly answer because that would further fuck with Baraggan's superiority complex.
>>288319688Probably. The lack of recognisable silhouettes makes me think that at the time Kubo still didn't even formulate the concept of Espada completely, still wanted to go with seven of them, one for each mortal sin, etc. This is what I meant when I said that the Arrancar arc is the most inconsistent in terms of lore. Sure, some ideas were set, but most of the time Kubo was winging it, forgetting things. Like when he called Grimjow's fracciones Gillians, and later portraying them as Adjucas.
He killed thousands...
>>288321634Man's gotta eat.
>>288319697Segunda Etapa is exactly what I described. Kubo said that Grimmjow could obtain it through training so it's just a level of proficiency with one's powers. AKA a hollow's bankai equivalent, which makes normal resurreccions fall short of a character's maximum potential.
>>288316318liltotto sex
>>288322968So similarly it should involve mental training like bankai. But maybe instead of training it's more like mental break point?
>>288323167if anything the 'subjugate and gain dominance over your counterpart' is something every single hollow above menos grande class did as a part of one of the souls within becoming the dominant one within the roiling mass inside itsince the main physical signifier is the rest of your hollow mask breaking away it might be more a matter of purification, bringing the entirety of your being as close to plus as you can without fully ceasing to be hollow
The bestest OP of all time is out>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0Zu20nbeVI
>>288323250You've lost me. It's needlessly overcomplicated for such a simple thing.
>>288319688>The big ominous Winter War was just the captains partnering off and bodying the Espada, with several of them not even using bankaiI still like the Espada more than the Sternritter for a number of reasons (including Vollstandig being a dull retread) but the climax of FKT was a mess on every level. Final Getsuga Tenshou included.
>>288323415Clearly what we need are more of Rukia's drawings to aid the description
>>288302216Loly my beloved
This week Kubo answers:>Q935.>ペルニダの誕生日は、霊王から切り離された後に滅却師ペルニダ・パルンカジャスと成った日ですか？>Is Pernida's birthday on the day when he was severed from the Soul King and became a Quincy named Pernida Parnkgjas?>A935.>そうです。>That's right.>Q936.>雨竜のかわいいセンスはリルカに刺さりますか？>Would Uryuu's sense of cuteness impress Riruka?>A936.>そういや雨竜そんなん得意なんだったな…。>Right, that was Uryu's thing, wasn't it..?>Q937.>穿界門、黒腔、影の移動はその種族でないとその場で簡単に使えない技術なのですか?また、2つ以上の種族の要素を持つ者はそれぞれの移動手段を習得することは可能なのですか？>Are Senkaimon, Garganta and moving in the Shadows are techniques that wouldn't be easy to use on the spot unless you belong to the specific race? If a person bears elements of two or more different races, can they acquire the means to use the correspondent means of transportation?>A937.>基本的にはその種族でないと使えません。（影の移動は正確には滅却師ではなくてユーハバッハの能力）2つ以上の種族の要素を持っていれば、複数使える可能性はあります。>Fundamentally, if you don't belong to a specific race, you can't use the technique (to be precise, moving in the Shadows is not a Quincy ability, but Yhwach's). If a person bears elements of two or more different races, it's possible for them to use the correspondent means.I couldn't come up with a suitable translation for 種族, but "race" should do.Personally, I find the last answer very illuminating. It's now clear why Shadows were not a part of the traditional Quincy power set and how Ebern was able to utilize them (Yhwach shared the ability). This also may bring light to the enigma of time limit for operating outside the Schattenbereich. I'd speculate, that in order to maintain a space within the Schattenbereich Yhwach needs to be inside and can leave only for a limited amount of time. Additionally, this would explain Haschwalth power of Shadow Manipulation: him being a Power-Sharing Quincy would grant him the same abilities Yhwach has, including control over Shadow.
>>288323288>not AlonesMeh.
>>288316318>NellIchigo is so lucky
>>288321634>He killed thousands...Who the fuck is jacking off to Yammy?
>>288324695Uryu x Riruka incoming?
>>288325709the thing about ugly bastard porn is that involves jacking off to ugly bastards
>>288295706Lille Barro seemed stronger than all except Yhwach they had to asspull him out of the story
>>288316318Sex with Suzumebachi
>>288316318>Giselle is the flattestLOL
>>288326118>a man is the flattestMany such cases.
>>288294559I think this revelation was really just meant to show that pure spiritual pressure and no other merits is pretty worthless. In something like Dragon Ball, powerlevels is a measure of a warrior's total combat ability; not just the raw amount of ki they hold, but also their speed, stamina, technique, it's the accumulation of everything in their arsenal. But in Bleach, spiritual pressure is ONLY an expression of their aura. It doesn't account for anything else. Special abilities, techniques, speed, none of that is accounted for. Yammy is nothing but pure spiritual pressure, but he's woefully inferior in every single other respect. That's why Byakuya and Kenpachi were able to clown on him so easily despite getting in each other's way the whole fight.It also REALLY doesn't say good things about Renji and Chad that they lost to a dumbass like that. I don't think any of the other Espada would really lose to Yammy either.
>>288327145I really wish Chad won a few more significant fights.
>>288327358he could've between Kutsuzawa
>>288322968Pre Muken Kenpachi is stronger than many Shinigami that don't have bankai. Even if you're going to compare second resurreccions to bankais, which you shouldn't, lacking a second release doesn't mean an arrancar is weaker than an arrancar who has second release.
>>288316318>Not only is Meninas not bigger than Nel there's like 10 girls bigger than her in between
>>288328062Meninas is the biggest though.that was clarified like ages ago, get with the times grandpa
>>288294559Why do people still seethe like retards over this?
>>288325736NeverThe Successor is too cool for her
>>288294559Would you be happier if he gave Yammy the 1?
>>288294559You only think that because Yammy isn't an edgy emo twink than spams beams
>>288328549>clarified>estimated
>>288324695>o be precise, moving in the Shadows is not a Quincy ability, but Yhwach's).So does this mean they get to keep it after Yhwach's defeat just like the schrifts as its an ability given to them or is it just gone because its completely his? I assume its the former or else Gigi Liltotto and Bazz B wouldn't be able to use it when they were planning to assualt him
>>288327358Chad's issue is that he's just a pure unga bunga character, but almost every other major character hits harder than he does. He'd need some sort of unique special power to compete, but all he does is punch things.
>>288316688I want to fuck Lupi
>>288296857>trusting the words of a lying quincy turncoat
>>288327145>I don't think any of the other Espada would really lose to Yammy eitherLet's not exaggerate, Aaroniero or Szayelaporro are not beating Yammy anytime soon.
>>288329505none of them would last 2 minutes against Orihime
He should've stayed #10.
>>288296617>Kenpachi doesn't think she's strong enough to fightKenpachi is the Gary Stu of all Gary stus of course hed view everyone not ichigo, aizen, yhwach, and the soul king that
>>288329505>pubic hairgross desu
>>288329275I think that's fine, I'd just like to see him punch something and win. It's not like he's weak, just that most of the people we see fight are absurdly strong and trained fighters, and he's not that.
>>288329645*60 seconds
>>288306024>>288306317>>288306466>>288308160>>288316646>Raped and Gapped used goods nazi girls who died in battle pathetically Shit Taste>>288312930>a side guy gets hooked with the mist unattractive pedo body min female in shonen history.Shit Taste
>>288329645>>288330578Dumb ass useless whore, her presence told me Kubo truly wanted to send women's right back to the 60s, she makes Peach and Zelda look like warrior goddesses.
>>288331057>t.
>>288330578>>2883296451 thrust
>>288329503Actually one of the 30,000 Hollows Aaroniero ate had a "make Yammy disintegrate instantly" ability.
>>288331529Yammy is gillian FODDER.
>>288330478Gay
>>288331094this bitch loves having her twintails pulled while getting railed from the back right
>GiGi! Don't make me suck you cock1 Don't make me eat your shit!What was the point in zombing the other if the end the same spot anyway?
>>288329267>So does this mean they get to keep it after Yhwach's defeat just like the schriftsUryuu is the only Quincy with a Schrift left alive, and its unknown wheter or not he kept the ability.
>>288294961>>288294961Fucking speedreaders the arrancar numbers are when they were CREATED IN ORDER
>>288334369Canonically the Bambies handle all of Gigi's excretions including his sweat, pee and feces.
>>288334490Fucking speedreader is you. Only number starting with eleven denote the order of creation. Number from 1 to 10 are reserved for the Espafa, the Most Powerful Arrancar. Grimmjow was Number 12 before he was chosen for the Espada and recieved his 6.
>>288334375I'm pretty sure the Bambis kept theirs
>>288334641I'm pretty sure the Bambies are dead.
>>288294559> remember the night the spoilers dropped> people thought they were fake> they turned out to be real> fanbase loses their mindsI miss those days.
>>288334655>> fanbase loses their mindsProof?But more important, why?
>>288334821>But more important, why?People were in disbelief how retarded it was.
>>288294961it's #3 because of big titty
>>288334894Was it really retarded? "Current level" suggests the existence of further levels of power. People just don't pick up on clues, or even if they do they refuse to believe them and they'd rather believe their headcanon instead. Only because Yammy isn't considered to be a "cool" character like some other Espadas.
>>288334974>Was it really retarded?In essence it wasn't. Espada rankings are arbitrary in nature, as they're assigned by Aizen, and there's absolutely a room for growth for Yammi. This is not the issue.The issue is Numero Cero and his claim that nobody ever said that Espada numbers go from 1 to 10, when Shawlong, the first Arrancar created by Aizen, said it blantly.
>>288335061I can see that, but then I'd argue why should words of Shawlong be treated as gospel and undisputed truth? Just because he was first to be born doesn't mean he becomes authority figure and source of knowledge especially with Aizen being involved. He was just "the smartest person in the room" when he said that, same goes for younger shinigami who blindly repeat academy's talking points.
So what's the point of cero? It's a beam that doesn't do much damage after a certain point. Makes #1 feel underwhelming when the beams only scratch his opponents.
>>288334653They're alive. It was stated in CFYOW and klub artwork
>>288295580Tosen was defeated by the fucking shiba inu and his own lieutenant, those two would've been erased by any of the top 4 spadas.
>>288316318>Unohana finally made the grade>Isane is just behind her in sizeSEX!SEXXX!SEEEEXXXXX!!
>>288335354have you never seen WWE?
>>288316318Gigi the tuck queen
>>288334571That's just disgusting. I'm really fucking sick of Giselletroons.
Correct me if I'm from but if memory serves didn't Kenpachi take on Tousen and Komamura at the same time with his eyepatch on? That would put Tousen pretty comfortably below Nnoitra.
>>288318482Aizen wrote the series
>>288296857Who the fuck cares what he thinks?
>>288334369>Bambiettawe have seen plenty of mind control techniques and they all reflect what the person was already thinking/repressing beforehand
>>288319750Most wasted character in any wsj manga, such a fucking cool character and he literally did nothing
>>288335995bad match up
>>288336939kek
>>288316318Is he planning on drawing the other girls he missed?
>>288336939This unironically
>>288336939That and Tosen being an idiot.
>>288337200And what about Komamura?
>>288337761ENTERhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B19DmUBir1g
>>288319750Urahara states they are comparable to bankai releases in TYBW. Also, 5-10x is on average, according to Yoruichi, not absolute. Some bankai make you no stronger at all, and some might be a hundred times boost. Some aren't even quantifiable, like Hisagi's.
>>288335295>why should words of Shawlong be treated as gospel and undisputed truth?While it's true that characters in Bleach are constantly wrong and/or lie about things. It's one thing being wrong about some underlying mechanics of magic systems, like existance of constant release Zanpakutou. It's another being wrong about made up concepts. Arrancar numbers are assigned by Aizen, there is a logic behind the procedure, Shawlong describes it, and it seems that the description is correct (all the other Arrancar respect the numbering convention, and Barragan, the self-styled King of Hueco Mundo, is salty towards Starrk for being Numero Primera, but indifferent towards Yammi for being even higher). Sure, his description is incomplete as he omits the exitance of Tres Cifras, but their existance doesn't contrtadict his words and actions of others. Yammi being Numero Cero does. More over, Yammi was dealt with off-screen, brute forced by Kenpachi. Not very fitting end for the Strongest Arrancar. The only logical explanation of the reveal is that it's solely Yammi's idea, him being dumb and trying to be clever. I can see that, but without logical leaps like that it's stupid and out of nowhere. It's like if suddenly, despite it being established that Gotei has 13 squads (with this description being incomplete in itself, as there are other units like Kidou Corps or Onmitsukidou), suddenly, with zero foreshadowing, there has always been another numbered squad (Royal Guard doesn't count, as Zero Squad is a colloquial name and they're not a part of Gotei).
>>288335377>It was stated in CFYOW.LOL. CFYOW states a lot of thing, most of them are retarded and were already contradicted by the TYBW anime. No, it was not layed out by Kubo: no way Kubo makes a series of novels with Shuuhei as a protagonist.>klub artworkLMAO even. The said artwork has no dating. And it's artwork. If Kubo draws Tousen, it doesn't mean that he's suddenly alive.
>>288295663Did the Zabuza sword plot go absolutely nowhere? I swear absolutely nothing came out of the Sasuke groupie subplot in general.
>>288337761His fight with Kenpachi was unconclusive, when he fought Aizen later he seemed fine at least.
Kubo's writing has no value, he's overrated because of that meme
>>288294961Why the fuck does it matter? You faggots are putting way more thought into this than Aizen (Kubo) ever did.It's clearly a vague ranking based on raw reiatsu/stats, nothing more.Going by Lanza del Relampago's sheer destructive force combined with its spammability makes it a reasonable guess that Ulquiorra is the strongest but Stark never went truly all out because he was even more depressed than Ulquiorra and had zero motivation to fight or to even live.Baraggan has a strong ability but his raw stats aren't anything impressive and he gets hard-countered by range. Honestly when it comes to raw stats or reiatsu, he's probably even weaker than Harribel.Yammy might have the most raw power in his 0 form but it's at the cost of everything else, kinda like how the roided form of SSJ1 gives up speed in favour of power. It might technically be more powerful on paper but it's inconvenient.Ultimately, there are arguments to be made in favour of everyone and it doesn't matter.This anon >>288294878 is right.
>>288339031I mean where were you expecting it to go? It was just Sasuke's gang he rounded up to help him do his dirty work.
>>288334655Anons also predicted Starrk's guns and wolves, I bet it blew their minds
>>288339651>You faggots are putting way more thought into this than Aizen (Kubo) ever did.>proceeds to put more thought into it than any other replykek
>>288294559Any Espada could have been 0 and it would have meant nothing after Ulq revealed his final form.
>>288332373As her husband I can confirm that is true.
pity bump
>>288329645how does she look so soft
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPQgLks-yNohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wY2aRDFGxmc
>>288334369>>288334571>>288343063Dumb fodder bitches
>>288334571>>288335975Fun fact: Vampre Savior development, Lilith originally intended to be hermaphroditic angelshttps://files.catbox.moe/8gh3k6.jpg
