Is he right? I thought it was bullshit but the more I think about it, manga has serialization problems that prevent authors from telling a compelling story. Like being forced to continue it or the opposite of not planning ahead and winging the story.
>and what gets published by kiraraconfirmed that frieren haters are all mentally ill moeshitters
Don't know about being better but wn/ln writers definitely has 100% freedom unlike mangaka that needs to be wrangled every week/month by editors.
>Manga is actually good, and even better than anime!is a phase that a good amount of people who gen into this stuff fall for, but hopefully grow out of at some point. They get tricked by the fact that manga exist that are less bad than their adaptations, and then make being a "manga reader" part of their identity that they think sets them above anime watching plebs.
>Togashilol just HxH fags coping again
>good writing>light novels>vnsJust read a real book
>>288316669HxH basically takes everything wrong with typical shounen, and makes it fives times worse while at the same time trying to pointlessly intellectualize it.
>>288316695Some LN's and VN's are really good. Why would you need to settle on doing one or the other?
>>288316534>Don't know about being better but wn/ln writers definitely has 100% freedom unlike mangaka that needs to be wrangled every week/month by editors.t. literally never read a light novel. Any WN author who gets a publishing contract for a light novel has an editor, you fucking moron. And those editors frequently see to it that the series is changed considerably.
>>288316521Frieren is moeshit.
>>288316657I do agree with this assessment. Anime fans know that it's an inferior version of the original and are content making that sacrifice for audio, animation and a consistent release schedule.The Manga (really all "read the source") crowd completely ignore that the source almost always has release schedule problems. Monthly manga are absolutely fucking awful to keep up and LN/WN have similar problems where the releases are slow as hell. Often getting dripfed over years to decades. Sure the content is better, but you sacrifice a lot for that enhanced content. Anime fans are fine watching the season, seeing the end of an arc, then moving onto something else.
>>288316771frieren might be moe but the series isn't moeshit by structure, in that it actually has structure at all
>>288316764>frequently>considerablyNTA, but you're full of shit. Some of the most notable LN's are entirely unchanged from their WN counterpart aside from some minor touch-ups. Meanwhile in manga, editors have the authors by the balls and are constantly interfering with the pacing and the developments to make their shit as marketable as possible. Look at SpyxFamily for example. Shit like this literally does not happen in LN's, not on this level.
>>288316695They are real books, having three pictures doesn't change the quality of the writing.
Real enlightenment is understanding the superiority of anime originals.
>>288316502Bait used to be believable.
>>288316657I think it's crazy to watch anime and enjoy it, yet be fine with probably never seeing the ending.
>>288316894Watch stories that are not designed to go forever. One season is all you need, two is pushing it and if you still can't finish it it's slop.
>Togashilmao!
>if you want good writing, light novels and VNs are where to find itlol. lmao even.
>>288316695>>288316727>>288316495>LNfags trying to group themselves win VNsVisual novels and light novels are as different as east is from west. They come from different eras. They have different styles, tones, methods, and goals. There is literally no overlap whatsoever. And it shouldn't even need to be said that VNs are universally better written by several orders of magnitude, at least on average.
>>288316502This guy belongs in jail for comma abuse.
>>288316894You say that, but it's true for most source material as well. You still aren't seeing the ending, except now you get stuck in the endless churn of something you like moving at a glacial pace. At least with anime you often get a solid stop point at the end of an arc.Classroom of the elite anime started 9 years ago and it's source material is still ongoing now and who knows when it'll be finished.
>>288317018>at least on averageOn "average" VN's are anime girl dating sims or straight up porn, with the most braindead writing that's hardly better than even the crappiest of isekai WN's. And there are infinite mountains of this kind of garbage. In other words, whatever better written things you are thinking of are not "average" at all.
>>288317031Code GeassMadokaToji no Miko
as bad as the writing of jap entertainment can be, it will never fall to the level of american slop where the villain is almost always a stand in for [current controversial political figure] that, on defeat, will pathetically beg to suck dick and eat shit
>>288317060All of those are anime originals. I'm not really seeing how that relates to my statement given all 3 are completed works (let's ignore the bastardized attempts to monetize the series for Madoka and CG).
VNs and WNs are written by real niggas instead of corporate tard wranglers chasing profits so they're better.
>>288317060These are anime with set arcs that finish the particular story they're telling when they end, which is precisely why anime are more frequently capable of being better than manga, along with the animation, acting and music being part of the experience.
>>288317122I agree with most of what you said, these are just examples where you actually see the ending.
I love the people that say manga is shit (or LNs) but then have no problem watching their adaptations. Zero self awareness. Almost as much as I love people that say original anime are so superior to everything else while 90% of it is 12 episodes of nothing with equally shitty endings as they accuse manga of having because anime writers are some of the most braindead people in existence.
Sometimes the anime is much better than the manga-accurate slop adaptation
>>288317236This is bait
>>288316495>If you want good writing, light novelsrofl
>>288317267The Chobits adaptation fixed the shit ending.
>>288316495people who classify an entire medium by such simple categories as "good writing" and "bad writing" don't know what the fuck they're talking aboutthere are literally hundreds of aspects to writing and hundreds of thousands of published manga out there of enormous varietywhat about a comedy manga that's hilarious? an ensemble cast that's extremely likable? a world that's interesting in an adventure series?etc etcthere's no fucking "barometer" of good to bad writingso shut the fuck up retard
>>288317300The barometer is me, if I don't like it it's bad.
>>288317267This is some bait tier post. Manga and anime are different medium, leveraging different strengths. A "manga accurate" adaptation that just reuses the panels perspective without making them work well as part of an animation sequence aren't "manga accurate", they just took one part of it.>>288317300Also this. Classifying entire mediums is some midwit shit.
>>288316495That is the weirdest take on why Frieren is bad I've seen so far.
>>288316495>serialization problemsWSJ problems
>>288317566It starts off great but falls off to merely okay.
>>288317766S1 is a solid 7/10, S2 maybe a 5.5/10.I don't understand why it's so fucking overrated by the normies.But then again the normies also gave 86% to Mixtape on Steam.
>>288317566>>288317766>>288317906Honestly even the first 3-4 episodes are just okay. They're not very subtle or that well done when it comes to melancholy and the passage of time
>>288316495No. Novels do the exact same thing.
>>288317950I think 1 and 2 are above the rest
>>288317906Girl bosses plus whiny loser man
>>288317472Of course it's bait, it's funnyschizo.
>>288318217Even if it's bait it only works cause it's true, the old one looks much better in that video.
>>288318217Some people would take this comparison seriously because they don't read manga
>Like being forced to continue it or the opposite of not planning ahead and winging the story.Cash-in sequels are hardly limited to manga.The amount of manga getting dragged out is minuscule compared to the amount that get ended prematurely.
>>288316786>Monthly manga are absolutely fucking awful to keep upWhy? Most authors are capable of delivering monthly chapters with scheduled breaks for volume releases.I prefer the Harta model where the whole magazine goes on hiatus for a month but monthly is fine for most part.
>>288317267Kill yourself already
>>288318293Most of those prematurely had plenty of time to tell a story with a proper ending, they were simply shooting for another forever story.
>>288316919So don't watch 90+% of anime. Got it.
>>288318341Manga getting axed with 2 volumes weren't aiming for a forever story. Most of the non-axed series wrap up with 4-6 volumes.
>>288318361I still like fast food but I'm not going to try to delude myself that it's as good as fine dining.
>>288317906S1 episode 1: 9/10Rest of S1: 6/10S2: 4/10Simple as.
>>288316521I don't think he actually reads Kirara.
>>288318361Yes, I know it has a lot of promotional posters all around.But One Piece is still 1 anime. Even if you make it One Piece AND CSM, that is 2 anime.How can 1 anime equal to 90%+? Makes no sense.
>>288317059>dating simsway to expose yourself retardactual dating sims are extremely rare, but the term is typically used by normalfags like yourself to refer to vns in general
>>288316495>light novels>good writingop is 12
>>288318718It simulates a date, this simulation is done when you press dialogue A or BA you date one of the options and B the other
>>288316791This spic really believes sentimental slice of life is some new never before narrative structure first recorded in a shounen manga and thinks it's deep contemplative writing kekw
>>288317236
the fact that he provided zero examples of anything he said should be the biggest tell>>>>>>>>>>>this post was editedgo shill you altchan somewhere else
>>288316495This isn't a story, it's an adaption bait screenplay. The longest paragraph is two lines long.
>>288316495>togashi>lns have good writinghe is clearly trolling or a newfag
>>288316495>>288316502Who is this guy? Is he in this thread? I want to reach out and chat more.I mostly agree. I also like that he said jump was better than Hollywood. I think manga is "lower quality" than non serialized work yes, but the constant soul-purging crunch also creates some crazy soulful work even in weekly serializations, and some geniuses can't shine without being whipped by editors on a schedule as well.I disagree that the writer is smarter than the reader on average, nor do you need to know exactly how the writer created something, but it is a worthy goal to understand the writer's point, however the writer could be wrong. And hence the reader can be smarter than the writer without truly getting 100% of the writer's circumstances.
>>288316829>Look at SpyxFamily for example. NTA but that feels more like a case of axeman playing it safe of his own Accord if you read his interviews
>>288316880I'm sorry but the average anime original is so bad man I almost believe the average weekly print magazine manga is better
>>288317149True in general>>288317236The problem with anime originals is it's some guy who managed to swindle his way into the big guy chair publishing something that is not market tested unlike manga which already go through a first trial run
>>288317611Are the other weekly mags actually better than WSJ? be honest. I know it's total dogshit in 2026 so let's say I'm asking both in current year and on average the last 15 years
>>288316495Apart from thinking VNs aren't trash he's generally correct. If the art isn't uniquely good then I just ignore it and focus on the text, so for a lot of manga a LN would be better. Manga with good art though are worth reading over an LN
>>288316495What board is this? I'm having trouble finding one with 44000+ posts
>>288319773The one with webp support.
>>288316502>never assume you're smarter than the writerALWAYS assume you're smarter than the writer."hurr durr you've never written anything so how could yo-ACK"I don't need to be a master chef to recognize I've been served a plate of shit.Awful take, rest of the argument discarded. Try not being a mouth breathing moron if you want people to take you seriously next time.
>>288319716This but the opposite.
>>288316502Based. This is just true. Retards will seethe
>altchan shit screencap thread Go back desu
>>288318718I have never seen anyone freak out because of the terminology. 99.9% of VN's are about hooking up and banging the girl at the end of their respective route. You can choose whatever you think is the technically appropriate way of calling this is. I don't really care and it doesn't change my point about them being bottom of the barrel slop in a literary sense.
>I have never seen anyone freak out because of the terminology. 99.9% of VN's are about hooking up and banging the girl at the end of their respective route.It's because you're ironic weeb altchan shit tourist newfag who doesn't know shit about >OMG MC has SEX (normal thing in adult media) with a girl OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH SHIIIIIET this is dating sim frfr no cap Now read 3000 chapters of misunderstanding romance all-age slop where characters don't even kiss. At least it doesn't have evil porn. It's sooo iffy...
>>288320683Did you know that Nasu wrote more than just the sex scenes for Fate? Did you know there are more than 15 VNS?
>>288318314The reason why is because it's not enough chapters/pages to actually progress the story at a good rate. The chapters are barely longer than weekly manga while coming out at a much slower rate. So you have arcs that feel like they go on forever, even though they might've only been 10-12 chapters. You have a pacing so slow that it's not uncommon to simply forget things as the months to years go by simply because of how little it gets reinforced.Most authors simply do not write manga that works well with a monthly release schedule.
>>288320763Still can't how this prompted an autistic spergout. >Now read 3000 chapters of misunderstanding romance all-age slop where characters don't even kissWow, it's almost like you realize that 99% of LN's and manga are also slop. What an incredible revelation. But you seem to have forgotten what this discussion was about in the first place. The autistic fit must have done a number on you.
>>288320763I came here to laugh at you.
>>288320806>Did you know that Nasu wrote more than just the sex scenes for Fate?Did you know that this is an exception, not the norm?
>Wow, it's almost like you realize that 99% of LN's and manga are also slop.Why do ionic weebs tourists always come to /a/? This shit even crawled back from his dead altchan trash board.
tourist is a newfag word by the way
>Did you know that this is an exception, not the norm?Normalfag ironic weeb tourist newfag doesn't even know ADVs have different genres. >Hekkin Fate is dating sim exception!
>>288320834Do you suffer from brain damage?How many monthly magazines do you actually read?
>>288316502>Hollywood films are even less demandingThe entire MCU has earned more money than the every anime aired on TV in the last 40 years put together. It is absolutely absurd to say that Hollywood is less in demand than anime and manga.>It doesn't help that professional critics, aren't expected to demonstrate their own competency in the field they criticize.Why should they? You don't have to be a director or an animator to know that reincarnated as a slime is a dogshit anime. The job of the critic is to build an argument and support it with evidence from the field that they critique.
>You don't have to be a director or an animator to know that reincarnated as a slime is a dogshit anime.Not enough diversity and propaganda for sure sisters. Not deep, mature and thought-provoking enough for pseuds.
>>288321127Do your reading reps, he didn't say less in demand, he said less demanding which was in a paragraph about review standards.
>>288321107Not many because I hate the format. I'd rather just binge it after 4-10+ years when it's finished than bother keeping up with it on a monthly basis. I do still keep up with some, but they almost always fall off over time because I get tired of nothing happening for years.When you spend maybe 5-20 minutes a month on something you just don't really absorb it. So over the course of years (yes literal years) you slowly just lose your memory of the details and have to binge through it anyway.
>>288321127Really, you are just going to go on the internet and tell lies?
>>288321207IsekaiSisters love to go on the internet and defend their slop.>>288321231I am the most truthful person itt.
>>288321224Which weekly magazines do you read?
>>288321343I'm not playing 20 questions anon. If you have a point to make, just make it.
>>288321505How do you manage to remember content from months or years ago when reading weekly manga but somehow with monthly manga you instantly forget it?How did you learn Japanese if your memory is that bad?
>>288320936I've been here all summer. That said, stop replying to a post with trannychan screenshot in the OP. It's literally the same thing as twitter post OP.
>>288319742>weeklyWhy weekly? Any magazine is better than jump. Nothing wrong with binging monthly, for example, but even if you keep to weekly for some reason, good manga will not be Jump.Jump=popular and popular=slop. It's the most popular therefore bottom-barrel magazine. Simple logic. This is not a baseless fact. Listen to somebody complaining about endings, axes, news reports, editors trying too hard to get to the common denominators, that's a problem with Jump.You can pick any random weekly/month/bi-weekly, it's therefore an improvement from WSJ.
>>288321633The main weekly magazine I can talk about is Weekly Manga Times. There are only two series that are included in every issue, everything else runs at a lower frequency. At the end of the issue you get a preview what's published in the next four issues.I began reading Manga Goraku three weeks ago and it seems to have a more stable lineup and more long running series.
>>288321554The answer is kind of obvious isn't it? Weekly manga is released twice as fast and more frequently. You still lose detail on older arcs, but it's not as devastating as when a monthly manga decides to spend 3-4 months on some side story.And you know damn well I can't speak jap.
>>288321882>And you know damn well I can't speak jap.Why do act like you can? EOPs don't read magazines at all. You're lucky if you can even get a stable monthly release cycle. Even for weekly magazines you're going to be limited to Jump, Magazine and some Sunday series which generally have lower standards.
>>288316502This is mostly accurate, no idea why faggots get mad
>>28831836190+% aren't shonenslopin fact they're more like 1%
>>288320953you're too afraid to quote people, your opinion doesn't matter>I-I don't want to give them (You)sthat's just cope, and you know it
Weekly manga is a flawed system if you're looking for "good writing". It's practically impossible to create a long, weekly manga without planning and have it be good. Gintama, Ippo, One Piece... even the "good" ones have serious writing problems, that's just how it is. But that doesn't mean manga is a medium with "worse quality." Monthly manga like HnK or Yotsuba (more yearly at that point) are genuinely excellent. Quality comes from the person creating the product and the time they put into it, not the medium (although the luck factor also exists). Books generally don't have good writing; most are garbage written by people without talent or knowledge. Manga requires more than typing whatever comes to mind on a computer; that also includes the LNs, there aren't many good LNs, to be honest. Every medium has its problems, what I'm saying is that at least there's a minimum bar of quality in manga. OP is a faggot, as usual.
>>288323162I really disagree. There are good and bad manga/LN/VN/etc. Saying "Manga > LN" is stupid as fuck because the medium doesn't dictate quality or a lack thereof. Every medium as upsides and downsides, but it's stupid compare mediums because they do different things better or worse. VN > Often first person and more personal (you take the role of a character). LN (books) > Maximum potential for creativity and allows for inner thoughts the best.Manga > High quality are and a focus on show not tell. Anime > Animation + Audio at the cost of worse art quality.What the best medium is depends on the type of story being told.
>>288323416I never said manga was bad, but the weekly system is practically inhumane if we're looking for noticeable quality. That's why those I mentioned that have been around for several years have considerable drops in quality.In fact, I'd say manga/comics is the medium with the most potential; it's a book with drawings. With a book, it takes a long time to explain small things, and you don't have the option of explaining visuals; you have to imagine many things, and the monologues are the same in both mediums. The difference is that the average manga reader doesn't want to read much, they avoid long monologues. Anime is basically the same as manga; you can do whatever you want, and you have greater artistic potential in many aspects (from small movements to the use of sound,...). I don't know if your answer is bait.
>>288321127>>Hollywood films are even less demanding>The entire MCU has earned more money than the every anime aired on TV in the last 40 years put together. It is absolutely absurd to say that Hollywood is less in demand than anime and manga.you don't have to respond to everything, especially if you don't know what something means, esl-kun
>>288323559To be fair, monthly manga is just as bad. Monthly manga runs for so many years that it's very easy for authors to just forget their own story and get burnt out after working on the same story for sometimes decades. The best approach would be irregular volume releases that batch together 10-20 chapters.The reason why manga has less creative potential than books is because you are limited by what you can draw. Words don't have that limitation. You can have as much detail as you want. Manga is limited by having to be drawn, in a perfect world it would have higher potential, but in reality a lot of things simply can't be drawn in the same detail. Same deal with anime, which has even worse problems with having the detail that words can have.
>>288323760your face is bad
>>288323788Cringe bro.
>>288323760>The best approach would be irregular volume releases that batch together 10-20 chapters.Are you saying no serialization, or serialized but the volumes collect the chapters? Because the latter is already what manga does. But anything more than 10 chapters per volume leans more on the chapters being very short. If they're not doing serialization they might as well not even break stuff into chapters. Plenty of manga are like that, where they release in chapters but the volumes don't have chapter breaks. The big weekly manga at least tend to be 15-20 pages per chapter and in a volume that's 180-200 pages that's about 10 chapters. Monthly manga has a much larger variety in chapter length. Some 4koma are like 5 pages per month (though I think the average is more like 8-10 pages) while some shoujo magazines have manga that are closer to 50 pages per month. Natsume's Book of Friends for instance tends to have 4 chapters per volume, and so in a year you get enough content for 3 volumes. I like monthly manga. I always feel like I'm catching up with weekly manga. Maybe I just haven't read a weekly manga I'm really into for a while.
>>288324622Actually I forgot that Natsume's Book of Friends actually seems to come out every other month. So it's more like 3 volumes in 2 years. Beck though had super long chapters. They were pretty regularly 70 pages and so there'd only be 3 chapters per volume. I don't know if that was reliably monthly or not though.
>>288319116Why spend effort on prose when the readers are satisfied with dialogue?The invisible hand of the free market has spoken and it said it wants to make people pay for amateur web novel trash.
>>288321932personally, I pirate manga and check the magazine it's from later. If I even bother to do that much.
Nothing is good
>>288316495No, this is complete bullshit and he's either baiting or has read 5 manga.Imagine thinking LN have good writing.
>>288324866>I pirate mangaThen your opinion on manga is worthless as you clearly don't value the work put into them.
>>288321127holy esl
>>288316495if you think LNs ever have good writing, you don't read actual literature and should never speak on what constitutes good writing.
>>288325145>wiriting = MUH PROSEIt refers to things like plot, story, characters, world building. What you are referring to depends entirely on the source material and whoever is translating it. The quality in that department can vary drastically.
>>288325251nta but you're responding to something that wasn't saidwhy do you think anon is talking about translationswtf
>>288325069nyooo
>>288316495>Like being forced to continue itPut it in your contract that you won't be.>not planning ahead and winging the storyWhy would the writer's discipline be an issue created by the manga format specifically?
>>288324622>I like monthly manga. I always feel like I'm catching up with weekly manga.Same. I used to read Sunday but the constant weekly releases just clashed with the normal monthly schedules. I eventually gave up since I kept falling behind.
>>288325330Why would I think he's done that much when he's making lazy shitposts on a Chinese imageboard? For all I know he has read mtl.
>>288324622I think it really depends on the story. Serious stories with a lot of focus on world building, mystery, action, etc I think work better in a volume format as opposed to a monthly serialization. On the flip end 4koma, comedy, romcom, etc work really well with a monthly format. I do think a lot of series would be better suited to only volume's instead of monthly serialization.
>>288325251>>288325538>things like plot, story, characters, world buildingWait, you think the average LN does these things well? LMAO, no wonder you lack reading comprehension.
>>288325330>the average LNWhat is up with this "average" argument? No, I don't think the average LN does these things well. The average LN is dogshit. It's a medium with a myriad of works that range from pretty good to worthless trash. The fact that you're basing your argument around some supposed average of the entire medium makes me think you're not arguing in good faith. Because the same applies to anime and manga.
>>288326401meant for >>288326297
>>288316495>writing quality deoends on the mediumNah, I've seen better arguments written on toilet paper.
>>288326401avearge nowadays is 8/10 and every piece of media is "peak"
>>288324868trvth nvke
>>288324775>Why spend effort on prose when the readers are satisfied with dialogue?Then do a fucking radio drama.
>>288328213The writer of Konosuba didn't want to make radio drama. He wanted written dialogue.>>288326297Yes, Konosuba has good plot, story, characters and world building. /thread
