When did the decline of Berserk begin?
>>288330692is this some filler shit? i dont recognized anyone beside the big 3
>>288330692After Schierke was introduced
>>288330692with the advent of Idolm@ster
>>288330692Conviction, but it's not fully apparent until post-Trolls. That's not to say those arcs are themselves bad, just that the manga doesn't reach the previous peaks again after that point.
>>288330692read the golden age arc only and you have a nice self contained story. everything else added nothing.
>>288330692When Casca left Femto.>>288330834It's why I like the anime so much. It gives you enough info. for you to put the pieces together, you get a complete story about the rise and fall of the BotH, and then that mind fuck cliffhanger. It's even better if you watch it chronologically and put ep.1 last. It's a complete 180 from the beginning.
>>288330692when Guts duels Griffith and leaves the band
>>288330692After Conviction ended you soon realized the series devolved into a typical monster-of-the-week shonen where all the MCs are immortal and Guts always saves the day after yelling really loudly in the armor.
Discourse tends to point to post-Conviction arc as when Berserk sort of got stuck fucking around and I think that's true because Miura channeled his ideas of the final arc into Conviction. It's like a sneak peak of the end of the series and perhaps he included that subconsciously if he doubted he'd get around to the real deal. Perhaps this alleviated him of the urgency of getting there if he already portrayed the climax in some form. Guarantee that the last act will be Guts rallying the disparate survivors against the enemy as an avatar for humanity's sake, inspiring them to go against whatever is arrayed against them, whether it be demonic or supposedly divine.
>>288330692Berserk only has three (3) good chapters. Golden Age is easily the most overrated arc in manga history.
>>288331008realistically speaking, there's no way to "defeat" Griffith. He doesn't even exist in the real world anymore. Guts is only dying, Casca is too. There's nowhere else to take the story and there wasn't anywhere else to take it after the Eclipse happened. Miura knew this.
>>288330788This
>>288330717I think it's from a game?? I don't know but never seen that
Devilman plagiarization arc ending heralded in nothing but pure original dogshit
>>288330692What the gritty loner hero needs is a diverse >adventuring party, and a lighter tone, less nudity.
Having a party was fine.When miura added his fetish to the party ruined them.
its crazy that there's been a huge hiatus. what happened to the new mangaka saying miura had all the ideas laid out?I really wish people would have been satisfied with a novel finish instead of trying to finish the manga.Or even just 1 page of text that explains where it was going to go.like I can't even predict the ending because guts "hitting things with his sword" isn't enough to beat griffith or the godhands now.I just wish the tone of the manga didn't change so hard. Like can you image another eclipse and schierke getting raped now?Holy fuck and I just checked, she was introduced 25 years ago.
>>288330692Volume 1
>>288330692When Guts lost his virginity
>>288331201Griffith is way too much of a Shakespearean tragedy protagonist to ever get his happy ending. Obviously, his story will end with his subjects rejecting him and losing his kingdom, and no amount of demonic powers will ever change that
>>288334480>guts "hitting things with his sword" isn't enough to beat griffith or the godhandsAh, but the legendary traveling blacksmith appears to reforge Guts’ sword with the god-slaying macguffinite!
>>288334480>guts "hitting things with his sword" isn't enough to beat griffith or the godhands now.It's simple. Sonja realizes the truth about Griffith, uses her psychic powers to broadcast it to his kingdom, his subjects revolt and hate him, he snaps and sacrifices his entire kingdom in the biggest sacrifice of all time, the God Hand gets mad at him for trying to kill all of their food so they depower him as punishment, then Guts effortlessly, emotionlessly kills him in their third and final duel.DUH
>>288330788yeah>>288331008PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAPGET PREGNANT GET PREGNANT GET PREGNANT
>>288331201The key was in the last chapter miura produced, and it's abundantly obviousGriffith only becomes vulnerable when the moonlight boy takes control. guess what has to happen
>>288330692Chapter 1.
Sheirke or boat.Pick one
>>288330816Yeah, this is the answer. I also think it's worth mentioning the last peak of Berserk is Lost Children.
>>288335098I love jill
>>288330717It's a game-exclusive arc from the first Berserk game that was released on Sega Dreamcast. Better than "Schierke and trolls" shit, btw.
>>288333491Agreed. The idea of Guts having a party wasn't really bad and could work very well to see his growth post-Eclipse. First Puck, then other fellas, you know what I'm talking about. Unfortunately, Schierke, lolishit and "chestnut Puck" idiocy ruined the idea. Miura has been a hack mangaka long before he kicked the bucket.
>>288330692Isn't there a new chapter this month?
>>288331166>Golden Age is easily the most overrated arc in manga history.Being a contrarian doesn't make you cool or smart, anon. It just makes you a different breed of faggot.
>there are actually faggots in this thread who don't like Schierke and her delicious honey cunny
>>288336562it's cunny honey, you fucking infidel
>>288336562She's got a fat ass for her age. It's not Schierke that's the issue. It's the writing from then on.
>>288334799>GET PREGNANT GET PREGNANT GET PREGNANTShe was already pregnant.
>>288336597not with a proper god babyalso, it's fucking hilarious how griffith's cum corrupted her womb and fertilized egg
Going by Miura's original designs it's likely Guts would've learned about Gaiseric's history from the etched memories embedded in the Berserker Armor from that dwarven blacksmith on Elfhelm's outskirts. That memory showing a different set of Godhand means that the Godhand can be killed and replaced, so the Skull Knight wasn't entirely unsuccessful throughout his years of hunting them. So Guts would've probably learned a reason how to fell them through that, and then started the crusade towards Griffith.>>288336613Yeah? He's a demon. His sperm is also demonic. But even though it corrupted the child and forced Casca into labor, the kid was still good at heart and looked out for his parents, even with his newfound demonic power.
I don't know how you retards are still struggling with the rest of the plot.Griffith saw the Idea of Evil and he decided to destroy it "from within". Everything he's doing is to subvert the IoE in a long con and the end game is Guts realizing that Griffith sacrificed everything just for once chance to win against the IoE. This is all revealed btw after Guts wins against him in the big duel. But turns out Griffith planned all that. With his dying breath he gives Guts some BS powerup so Guts can cleave the IoE heart in half. The End. Then there's a timeskip to some kids playing at some farm and finding a "grave" with Guts and Griffith's swords stuck in the ground and someone tells them they were two heroes from a long time ago that saved everyone. Etc... Kids ofc look like Guts and Griffith because pottery
>>288330692when they got on the boat
>>288336725Yes, this will definitely fully contextualize Griffith raping Casca while Guts was held down and forced to watch and maim himself in his fruitless attempts to stop it. Excellent work, anon. Miura should have definitely chosen you to finish this story.
>>288336909Defeating IoE would not be possible without extreme sacrifice. That's the part you refuse to get. Griffith saw the IoE and realized what the situation was. The only way to "win" is to pretend to submit to it and look for an opening. And even then he would not be able to do it on his own. He is/was creating an opening for Guts to do it. Griffith would never allow himself to be a permanent slave to anyone. He is an opportunist and an opportunity presented itself and he took it. But the end goal is clear.
>>288330692Not long after the Eclipse. You can tell that the Eclipse was the climax and that Miura had no idea what to do with the story afterwards.
>>288330692When Farnese and Serpico joined the band, obviously. Giving Guts's caregiver role to Farnese is such a dud, plus she becomes a noncharacter. She should've been a side quest. Conviction should've concluded with Guts finding a way to balance caring for Casca with his adventures. That's actually the ENTIRE POINT of the fucking arc (besides Griffith's rebirth) until that contrived scene where Guts YET AGAIN sexually assaults Casca and she's yet again scared of him. Like what was the point of their arc in Conviction then? It's immediately undone. Guts, Puck and Casca is the main trio in the Berserk games, why doesn't the manga go similarly? They never even get a moment to be a proper trio before Farnese cuts her hair and joins the group with Serpico.
>>288336984So he.. needed to rape Casca? Why?
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>>288330788Wrong, that's when it became a good story.
>>288330692when Miura started moving to digital
>>288330692What decline?
>>288337898Why didn't Miura draw Guts rearranging Schierke's guts?
>>288337898how old is she again?
>>288337326Test out that new demon dick.
>>288338582least deranged griffith apologist "he had to do it for the causality speedrun bro"
apologist?guts and casca were weakthus rape
>>288336659>That memory showing a different set of Godhand means that the Godhand can be killed and replaced, so the Skull Knight wasn't entirely unsuccessful throughout his years of hunting them.He probably killed them while he was still alive with the berk armour and wizard assistance. In some cataclysmic event that still would've been to come in Guts's time, because causality is a repeating spiral.However, while he killed them physically, another gh would just pop out in another 2XX years. I think the purpose of his dimension sword is to kill them permanently, so that another godhand with the same portfolio (for lack of a better term) can't be made. Like Slan/tittyblob both clearly govern sexstuff, one of them is pestilence, one is insanity, and Griffith is greed/ambition. (And Void is... brain? I don't know.)
>>288338702Remember that Guts' original goal wasn't to kill the Godhand, it was to kill specifically Griffith. Femto. Just one of them. If the others stand in his way before that happens he'll cut them down too, but his goal was never altruistic, it was one borne of revenge.
>>288338525old enough
>>288330692around the time Guts was raping an apostle
>>288330816Correct answer. The arc is still good overall, but you can see the story losing focus here and there after Farnese is introduced. Then Shierke and Isidro show up, and the manga just nosedives into filler and JRPG nonsense.
>>288331116What, you didn't enjoy chapters and chapters of Guts dispatching random monsters while his shitty bootlickers go "ooooh sugoi"?
>>288339670Fairness really should've gone on her own way with Serpico after Conviction. She had a really good character arc up to that point and having her become a tagalong did nothing good for her. Being Casca's tardwrangler and learning magic from Schierke always felt like Miura going "Fuck, what do I even do with this character now?"
>>288339717Farnese*That's what I get for phoneposting
>>288339717Farnese's motivation to join Guys never made sense to me. She was such an intense character in conviction. >>288330834Lost children is peak berserk tho
>>288330692Sea God arc (aka, the Boat). Even then, the eventual payoff might have made it worth it, but we'll never know now
>>288330717>>288331247>>288335845>It is based on the popular Berserk manga by Kentarō Miura and the game is set between volume 22 and 23 of the manga; right after Guts and Puck depart for Elfhelm with Casca (chapter 182), but before Farnese, Serpico, and Isidro catch up with them (chapter 190).
>>288330788Came here to write exactly this. Instantly dropped it.
>>288338525Capable of making more blasphemous witches.
>>288338525Old enough.
Boat. I haven't read berserk in 10 years but I know if I were to pick it up id only have to read 10 chapters to catch up. Guts isn't going to fight Griffith until the average audience age is 75.
>>28833852513good cunny
>>288336562Get into the woodchipper, pedo scum.
>>288330816I did a re-read of Berserk at the beginning of the year and I'll agree this is the point. I overall liked Conviction and how it allowed Guts to start to rebuild his own band and round out his rage with responsibility. The introduction of magic is still one of my favorite moments in the manga to date. But there are some things that just hold all of those arcs (conviction and after) back from hitting the same highs. Mozgus for example starts off an interesting antagonist but then becomes a shrieking punching bag and I stopped caring about him once he and his goons got transformations. Sea God has really amazing visuals but it's undercut by being kind of random in the face of everything else going on, even if the awakening of the sea god is a direct result of Griffith. And from where I stopped with Miura's chapters the Fairy island is just fine. But at this point the fact that the art has really made everyone a lot more moe is distracting. That sweet spot was the trolls and it's been a steady decline ever since. One day I will read the remaining chapters but I said I'd wait for the series to finish or for me to be aware of my own mortality.
>>288345513>Mozgus for example starts off an interesting antagonist but then becomes a shrieking punching bag and I stopped caring about him once he and his goons got transformations.>GOD PUUUUNCCHHGH!!!!!!yeah that became really silly and lost a lot of its potential impact when they were just demons again...
>>288345759>and lost a lot of its potential impact when they were just demons againExactly. He worked best because he was a caricature of what Farnese could become by being so zealous you lose sight of reality and humanity. I kind of wish that Mozgus and the others had just died and their bodies were merely imbued and puppeted by either the fake Behelit apostle, or the subsequent demonic sludge if giving them powers was important. Otherwise just having a bunch of fucked up people trying to enforce religious dogma in the face of death and destruction is fine. Mozgus didn't need to be a fight, he needed to be a mirror to show the readers and maybe the world that you can't curl up and expect to pray away your problems. You need to take action and still have faith.
I still think Miura was about to pull one of the most legendary twists of the knife in manga history after lulling the audience to sleep with the happy go lucky, fantastical adventures of Guts's party.They were all meant to be expendables to drag Guts into the depths yet again by Griffith, setting up the ending.I just wonder if he was no longer physically able to draw something that raw anymore.Make no mistake about it, his version of Griffith's Conquest of the Elf Island would've been a slaughter.
when he killed off Donovan
>>288337898Bush status?
>>288346153I could get past this as I assumed he would be back later, but the consent accident horse also dying just made me think the writing was lazy
>>288330692Conviction. Schierke only meant the end
>>288346239heheh
Adding the retarded Shonen hero cliche to guts group. And not having be fucked up as the rest when confronting the horrors guts faces.
>>288330692Page one
>>288347292Not everyone handles horror the same way. Guts was more or less fine after butchering Wyald. It was only after the massive traumatic nightmare that is the Eclipse did he turn into the "black swordsman" we see in Black Swordsman and Lost Children/Conviction. And he was determined to ensure that nobody else had to go through what he went through that day, so Isidro, Farnese, Serpico, and Azan were spared that terror. And he as well, spared from watching them die.
>>288330692When Guts got raped and cucked twice.
When Miura gave up to work on Idolm@ster
>uhh I'm totally carrying on Miura-san's work exactly the way he told me to do it>[one chapter after Miura's death it instantly goes back to super grimdark like it was 20 years ago with guts screaming GRIFFITH and the naked hebe titties moeblob mermaid dissolves out of existence for no reason]
>>288349815See, for me that's the point when Berserk's decline began. The point of the Blast of the Astral Plane was to completely unite the astral plane and the material world together. So Elfhelm and the magical characters "disappearing into the spirit world" makes no sense anymore. He didn't understand Miura's plot at all.
>>288330692chapter 1?then in comes the golden age and it isn't just strong in itself, it lends everything else strength.we see griffith gives people purpose, and they're so grateful for that purpose that if he'd just asked they probably would have been willing sacrifices. this also gives him an ego (understated).then you have guts, who thinks he needs a purpose, but actually had his purpose from the moment he was born; to struggle against the odds. he should have died on the tree with his mother, but everything is a fight with him, and as long as the band of the hawk is against the odds, he's there to fight- he leaves them when they've won (and when he can beat grif).and him leaving/winning forces grif to prove he can't just continue on without guts, he has to prove he doesn't need guts at all. queue breaking into the bedroom of a princess and prompt emasculation.now enter femto, being griffith parted from his humanity and so his ego/pride, and you have an easy, poignant and tragic final arc:>true peace between kingdoms and monsters and men>but femto is the biggest against the odds fight guts could ever find>and femto betrayed everyone and everything guts had --other than-- fighting against the odds>guts is left with nothing else to do but what comes next>cut to a near-final panel of femto dead at gut's feet, while the world behind him returns to monsters eat men, and then one last pic related; cut to black.no need for femto cheap seinen rape/murder ultimate plan reveal that brainlets wantedno need for side characters for guts who just muddy themes and drag out the storybut also no extra money for muira to milk while he drags out the story, so...we get everything after the golden age arc, and more is really quite the pityeveryone needs to get paid, but i'm not going to screech about how good his work is when he let greed reveal his incompetence.
>>288339936>Lost children is peak berserk thoNo. It's not. Miura doubled down on the edgelordisms and it's part of the reason why the manga becomes so light hearted later. Berserk took a huge hit in readership after the Eclipse and Lost Children is probably something that came out of Miura being butthurt about it.
>>288351280I think Lost Children is the perfect amount of edgy, the later flowery chapters suck because they overcorrect too much. Black Swordsman is the worst arc because it's overly edgy spitballing and exposition
