>Code Geass manga>literally the same plot but without the mechsIt's rather telling that one can just do that.
What do they fight with?
>>288353016Planes, tanks, etc. Normal stuff.
>>288353016The cock
>>288352968Sounds much better than forced mecha.
>>288353121>forced mechaMeaning?
>>288353142Meaning when the mechs are inserted into a pitch that initially didn't involve mechs, or the mech designs are changed in service of the toys. Happened a few times with Sunrise.
>>288352968mecha works better because it allows the main character to have a more central role on the battlefield and thus be more at risk of actual injury or capture or death.You can't do that shit with real world weapons because you'll never get some superweapon that the mc can program a shield for in real time so that he'll be a serious strategic advantage on the battlefield.
>>288353313That's an incredibly retarded assumption you have there
>>288353823Why does Lelouch need to be on the battlefield at all?
>>288354514>Why does Lelouch need to be on the battlefield at all?Because he doesn't feel he deserve to make others die if he is not put at risk. Lulu hates himself for having the powers that are inherently evil.
>>288352968That first one by CLAMP is a really bad adaptation.
>>288354514Did you even watch it?
>>288352968That sounds awful.
>>288352968Huh, I only read a few chapters like 10 years ago and didn't realize it was different because it was Mao arc. Now I'm kinda interested.
>>288353016chess pieces
>>288352968It was literally shit without the mechs though, so whats your point?
>>288353313>Meaning when the mechs are inserted into a pitch that initially didn't involve mechsWell, according to Goro Taniguchi, he went in planning to make a mecha series, so I guess you are retarded
>>288354514well it's a pretty big part of Suzaku and Kallen's characters regardless...
>>288353313you absolute tool, the manga came after the anime
>all these /a/tards that STILL don't understand the point of having mecha in a series after all these yearsThis is why /m/ remains the superior board. You fags can't last a second with fapping to the next fotm waifu let alone spend 20 minutes watching an episode if there isn't a woman in it
>>288356200They may have started releasing the manga first. That happens pretty often with these manga that adapt anime originals. The manga starts prior to the anime start date as a form of advertisement. But a lot of people on /a/ think manga always comes first in terms of idea. And also that any significant portion of manga are adaptations of LNs or web novels.
>>288356395Thats because these days, all manga to anime stuff is just straight adaptations
>>288356477They still do manga adaptations of anime. They did one for Healer Girl for instance a few years ago. I wouldn't be surprised if there's just less info on them usually and so people don't often know about them. Manga adaptations of anime have just always been much less popular (at least outside of Japan) compared to anime adaptations of manga. I'm pretty sure Precure is still getting manga adaptations as well.
>>288352968That sounds even better.
>>288356695It wasn't
>>288354731Isn't that an illegal move in chess?
>>288352968>manga adaptation of an animewhat’s the point?
>>288357424manga is the superior medium
>>288356395>They may have started releasing the manga first.No, it started after R2 finished airing.
>>288352968You should, you know, actually look into it before you make a thread like this. It didn't just remove the mecha, but a bunch of other major characters. Like, most notably, Cornelia.The manga is shit.
>>288357334Only if you are playing with training wheels.
>>288356355It's to sell toys to children, except for real robot where the target audience is autistic manchildren.
>>288354731This scene always felt like a transparent excuse for the weedly nerd MC to be in a mech when he should be in a control room. Mostly because it is.
>>288358144Not only would it be against Lelouch's character to be in a control room, being at the front lines is one of the things that captivated and earned the trust of the Black Knights. Also, being at a control room would be waste of his Geass.
>>288356116The premise doesn't make sense if it's not a mecha series. Lelouch and Suzaku are mecha/tokusatsu archetypes!The closest Western analogue to Lelouch is someone like Cobra Commander.
>>288357580>cutting filler is a bad thing now??? >>288358179>it would be against his character to be a reckless idiotMaybe Lelouch just isn't a good character.
>>288358204Eh, you're just trolling, boring.
>288358204Ah, I see. I'm sorry for wasting my time here
>>288356355An a /m/fag I understand what you mean, but perhaps you'd be willing to explain to the rest of the class?
>>288358215>>288358226>he slightest critique of anything is immediately labeled trollingWhat the hell is wrong with this board?
>>288356355>>288358239No story actually needs mechs in it. This is something a lot of people have trouble accepting. Which is weird because the majority of the general audience hates mechs.
>>288358296was this spinoff successful in any way for you to claim that the story no longer needed mechs in it
>>288352968>>288353016>>288353033>you can replace mechs with tanks and planesDuh. Original Gundam cared about providing an explanation for relying on big robots (Minovsky particles), but most of mecha show just roll with the convention Though knightmares are pretty small and nimble, so they made sense during the urban warfare of S1. R2 with them flying was when you could question why they didn't deploy much faster and with much higher range fighter planes
>>288352968I hated it when they started flying and destroying armies with one beam attack.
>>288358329I don't know, I don't care about the numbers. I'm just saying that it's telling that the mechs can be removed entirely and the plot doesn't undergo any significant change.
>>288357334Yeah, that was the point.
>>288352968Does Lulu lose as much in the manga? What I really loved about S1 especially is how often the loses. I think he'd have died like 3 times without C2 bailing him out at the last moment.
>>288358395but then it completely loses its personality and becomes even more of a death note ripoff
>>288358395The basic purpose of special element in stlike mecha, magic, advanced technology, superpower) is to let us see and experience things that stories without them cannot.The number is significant. It tells us whatever or not the removal of mechas reduces interest in the story, due to lack of action scenes and ideas that are only viable with mechas
>>288358395It was less popular, less successful, and garnered less engagement. This means the mechs were a necessary element.You can make Magical Realism Star Wars in the Midwest without significant change, but it would still be garbage.
>>288358395You can do retelling of stories with removing or replacing virtually any element or set piece. Lion King is Hamlet with animals and it worked. Does that mean humans were completely irrelevant to the plot of Hamlet?
>>288358488>personalityIt already has "personality" (nice buzzword) with CLAMP's designs and the over the top presentation. It doesn't need mechs for the plot to happen. >>288358541>Lion King is Hamlet with animals and it worked.No it isn't, and no it didn't.
What if they removed table-kun instead? Would it detract from the overall plot?
>>288358527it wasn't "the mechs", people tuned in for Gurren specifically. Microwave arm is just way too cool of a weapon. its up there with pile bunker in the "really fucking cool weapons" listalso mechs that slide along the ground on wheels are cooler than the flying ones.
>>288353033What do Kallen and Suzaku do then? Ace fighter pilots?
>>288359852spec ops maybe? but yeah Suzaku seems to really lose his place in the story if you remove the mechs.
>>288352968>>literally the same plot but without the mechsIf they code geass but in medieval Europe. I would allow this. Instead of mechs, they had elaborate suits of armor. Fuck that would be awesome.
>>288359808>mechs that slide along the ground on wheels are cooler than the flying ones.wrong
>>288352968I used to be one of these guys who said he loves Code Geass despite it being mecha but I must say that Code Geass doesn't work without the mechs. They are an important part of the series.
>>288360154If it was a pre-modern battlefield, he could simply stand out as a warrior. I suppose that's revealing of the true purpose of mecha: reintroducing knights to modern warfare.
>>288356173>>288359852Yeah? In the manga, they pilot normal military vehicles.
mechs are cool because they evoke the image of heroic knights and mythical giants unlike tanks and fighters which are lame and sterile in comparison. only normgroids with no imagination and military tech otaku think otherwise because theyre too plebian to understand the rich literary and mythological traditions that mechs build off of.
>>288361418Mechs are impractical and don't actually work under normal physics.
Ah, yes, the realism of mechs in a story with magic immortality and mind control
>>288363105You expect the magic bullshit to not make sense. The -science- fiction elements are harder to suspend one's disbelief for.
Okay, retard
>>288361154You never read the manga, didn't you?
>>288353313Bet you use the "unlike other mecha anime" a ton, like the good dunbass You are.
>>288352968>Code Geass without mechsSo then literally what do Suzaku and Kallen even do?
>>288364159You know soldiers still fight without needing giant robots, right?
>>288353823>mecha works better because it allows the main character to have a more central role on the battlefield and thus be more at risk of actual injury or capture or deathBecause you are invincible with planes and tanks?
>>288364634You never read the manga
>>288363548>>288364749You realize that this isn't an argument, right?
>>288352968There are many stories you can keep mostly the same by changing the setting or time period, it's a good marker for a story with strong archetypes. I don't think Geass NEEDS the mechas but it certainly makes it better because they're cool
>>288365201If you can still tell the story without the fantastical elements, then why bother having those fantastical elements in the first place? Just tell the story normally.
>>288364979I'm not arguing, I'm calling out your dishonesty
>>288365939What dishonesty? It's a well known fact that the manga doesn't have mechs in it, and they use normal vehicles instead.
>>288364159>So then literally what do Suzaku and Kallen even do?Next to nothing. Anon making this bait thread is omitting that large swaths of the story and characters have been completely omitted or removed. There isn't any real onscreen combat.Cornelia doesn't exist here so no Narita, for example.
>>288365997>and they use normal vehicles instead>they use vehicles lollmao
>>288365806>why did the reverse Gundam with Amuro and Char swapping as protag and antagonist have to use mecha in its story
Oh, let's talk about how poorly written the manga is. Perfect example, Villetta.Villetta started out completely non-existent. She was not present in the first half in any way, shape or form. Her plot in season 1's story was completely absent. Well, as we know, she is important come R2 so she suddenly exists as to be the one watching over Lelouch. But without season 1, she isn't immune to Geass which was the entire reason for her being put in charge. Well, come time when Lelouch regains his memory of Geass (Very specifically only that here btw, because for some bizarre reason he is still left with his memory that he was Zero. And other things) he uses it on her...to just not report the activities of him and Rolo, not anything else like the completely ignore from the staff in the anime.Also she had Marianne in her, not Anya.
>>288352968I mean, the manga is pretty shit and clearly one of those chash-grab manga adaptations no one except prior fans will buy. Lelouch's feats in the first half feel really minor without the mechs, and the second part adds a bunch of sci-fi spaceships like Damocles anyway. The guy clearly couldn't draw anything too complex and the people in charge decided it wasn't worth it to do a proper adaptation. It's kind of embarrassing. Even 14 year old me knew something was off when I bought this physically
>>288366204Gundam doesn't need mechs in it either. Could've just been space jets.
>>288366165That just means those characters and elements weren't necessary in the first place.
>>288356477I mean, people bitch to high heaven and literally set studios on fire in response to anything else, so... Fuck having different takes on the material, just forcefeed the exact same thing to the masses over and over, or else they'll fucking kill you.
This isn't even good bait
What do people here think about the spinoff manga Nightmare of Nunally?I like the idea of twin brother Rollo and Lelouch getting a physical power.
>>288366452They should've had a different reason for Ohgi's betrayal if Villetta was so pointless. >>288370249I have never seen anyone give even a vague shit about it.
>>288353121>>288353313Shame when anons fail to pick up on the mechs being the analogous chess pieces of their respective commanders' games, and how the differences between the way they move their chess pieces and the way they command their mech units reveals, among other things, how much they value people, certain pilots, and themselves.
>>288371240The chess symbolism doesn't require the mechs to exist.
Someone use a geass on me to make me forget Roze exists......
>>288352968Code Geass is basically just Gundam 0079 without space and with Char as the main character openly challenging the Zabis, with Suzaku being an Amuro who's working for them.
>>288371404No it's not. That is a weird stretch. Also, the point is that neither story actually needs mechs to work.
>>288371375No, remember it
>>288371347It does, because chess pieces are essentially humanoid figures. The analogy isn't concrete when the pieces are tanks and jets.
>>288371240OP is just baiting. Just ignore his retarded bitching about mecha.
>>288371537>chess pieces are essentially humanoid figures.What, and the actual humans aren't?
>>288371240The mech fights are completely forgettable and add nothing to the series. If you want mechs that actually enhances the quality of the story with noticeable focus just watch G Gundam instead
>>288371375>>288371513Only good thing about it are Sakuya's tits and the girl who looks like Alexis Rhodes.
>>288371655>G Gundam>needing mechs>when the fights are literally just martial arts battlesAnon.
>>288369470Except they still do make manga adaptations of anime and I even gave an example of Healer Girl. A lot of people (especially on /a/) will wait for an anime adaptation of a manga so even if manga adaptations of anime exist it's expected that most people won't read them, or even know they exist.
>>288371713>Except they still do make manga adaptations of anime and I even gave an example of Healer Girl.Yeah, and nobody ever gives a shit about those.
>>288370249I thought it was fun read though I wouldn't recommend it if you thought Code Geass not being grounded enough was demerit, cause NoN goes full unga bunga battle shounen
>>288371690The mechs use weapons too and the point I’m making is that the mechs are the focal point of the story. They’re not just guns or grenades that are used randomly but the characters can actually reflect their motivations and desires onto them
>>288371809They're usually even worse than anime adaptations of manga imo. But that doesn't mean they don't exist.
>>288371988Anon, OP is a baiting retard. He is not gonna accept anything you say
>>288368746>>288371506Gundam absolutely does need mechs. The story revolves around mechs to such an extent that the very laws of physics in Gundam are designed to make CQC in space plausible. As soon as you break with that, you'll notice that realistic space combat would look extremely different from Gundam's approach, so you end up with a very different story if you go down that road.Code Geass doesn't need mechs because the story revolves around Lelouch's mind control sorcery, the weapon systems in use are secondary to that.
>>288371690A huge part of the central conflict is because of the damage to earth caused by the Gundam fight. Plus, you know, the main villain is a Gundam
>>288372082>Code Geass doesn't need mechsWrong
>>288363812>Bet you use the "unlike other mecha anime" a tonNobody says that. Where did that even originate? Mecha anime is a vehicle to sell toys and model kits and always has been.
>>288371988>the mechs are the focal point of the storyThe martial arts and the sociopolitical situation which serves the environmentalist message is the focal point of the story. You do not physically need the mechs to be there for the plot and its themes to be conveyed. >>288372140Both conventional weaponry and nukes could easily accomplish the same thing. Bootleg Skynet didn't need to be a giant robot either, it could just be a regular A.I.
>>288372082>Gundam absolutely does need mechs.It really doesn't.
>>288370249 How long is nightmare of nunnally I heard about Alice and seen her in a few fanfiction and I might use her in one of my own as a good friend of nunnally choosing to change sides.
>>288372504It's rather short. Only five volumes.
>>288371685Yeah but fuck them for all the cuties they killed in the pants on head retarded blenders.
>>288365806Because there's nothing new under the sun and all stories have already been written. It's why so many modern stories are just tellings of the heroes journey with different coats of paint on it. CG is basically a Shakespearean tragedy with magic and robots in it. You CAN tell the story without these elements but they are what make this rendition of this story type unique and interesting
>>288372333The entire point of the Gundam Fight was to serve as a "safe" alternative to war, with it being more humanitarian on paper because it was a tournament primarily consisting 1v1 duels rather than thousands of soldiers dying in mass. Yet under zany shounen kung fu fights, we see that the collateral damage caused by the gundams are just as bad for the environment and that the governments behind the Gundam Fighters more often than not totally corrupt and don't care about representatives lives beyond beyond their utility. The plot of G Gundam would absolutely not work with conventional warfare
>>288373067You're making it "unique" and interesting" by shoehorning in nonsensical elements that detract from the narrative. >>288373117>The plot of G Gundam would absolutely not work with conventional warfareThen G Gundam is a bad story.
>>288352968many such cases
>>288373286>Literally no argument besides "it's bad"I gracefully accept your concession, anon
>>288373286>Then G Gundam is a bad story.You'd maybe have more people on your side if you weren't clearly just anti-mecha and applied this level of scrutiny to all types of stories.
>>288373394I don't need an argument beyond that. If your story relies on a cheap gimmick, then that's all it has going for it. >>288373409I have facts on my side. I do not understand why it's so hard for you to acknowledge that mechs are stupid and actively detract from any story they feature in due to being universally pointless.
>>288372148It doesn't.
>>288376027Retard argument, Gundam doesn't need mechs then either. But it does. Because it's in the name lmaoo, Code Geass without the mechs is not Code Geass-- it's the manga that no one fuckin read.>>288360198what's it like having shit taste? >>288369399>Narita wasn't necessaryNarita is one of the best arcs in the whole fuckin series, that shit is PEAK Code Geass-- it became the staple-- every battle after it was just Narita 2 or Narita-- Again, because it worked so well. Try harder.
The specific plot and characters of Code Geass do work with mechs, but let's be honest the mechs are the least entertaining part of Code Geass. You could create a story that has all of the same appeals without the mechs and it would be no loss.
>>288378051>but let's be honest the mechs are the least entertaining part of Code GeassWrong
Why are people in this thread so aggressive in defending the mechs?
>>288371685Sakuya was fucking terrible outside of her design. Ash and his mech are the only thing I like from that snorefest.
>>288361692this is completely irrelevant to what i was saying
>>288381783On the contrary. Their impractical and impossible nature are an active detriment to any story they feature in. It's simply not possible for the audience to suspend their disbelief for a concept so brazenly nonsensical. It's like building a spaceship out of cheese and expecting people to accept that it can fly.
>>288381846people have enjoyed stories about the fantastical since forever, nobody in the middle ages was a faggot that started nagging at the recital because the bard was singing about giants and gnomes.my point is that mechs are closer to the realm of fantasy than science-fiction thus your shitty realism standards need not apply and can be explained away by any given contrivance (super materials, black box tech, whatever)
>>288360197It's awesome because mecha is basically knights. A single trained warrior crushing noobs is the same as a knight versus peasants or a mech versus soilders.One man with the power to change the world is the male romance of mecha fiction and knight tales
>>288383625Mecha are the modern knights. If we were sent to the past /m/ would all be filled with guys like Don Quixote.
>>288382324>people have enjoyed stories about the fantastical since forever,Those people are always stigmatized as losers. >mechs are closer to the realm of fantasy than science-fictionThey're literally robotic vehicles. They are science fiction, period. And science fiction doesn't work when it's not believable.
>>288383625>>288383665So mechs are enjoyed by self-centered and delusional fools who seriously believe that any single person ever has any effect on war?
>>288383928Not believed but imagined. It's cool to dream about a world where wars end with one on one fights but that can never work unless the mental gymnastics of mecha become true.
>>288384274>It's cool to dream about a world where wars end with one on one fightsSure, if you're a retarded 12 year old.
>>288384317Do you even like mecha?
>>288384353Considering I'm an adult, no.
>>288353313You must be a tourist who discovered anime in 2008, or you're incredibly retarded.Sunrise has a reputation to release a manga adaptation with alternate stories/AUs, after the TV anime or in the same time frame as the anime.
>>288384492You need to be 18 or older to post here, not 10 years old
>>288383912>Those people are always stigmatized as losers.No fag historically heroic tales of knights fighting giants and gnomes were enjoyed primarily by aristocracy, these stories were made for and even commissioned by literal court nobles.>They're literally robotic vehicles.Yes they are knights and giants reborn as robots. The desire is to have knight-like heroic figure on the battlefield because most people think swordfighting is cooler than carpet bombing. Making them gigantic adds a mythical aspect to them because people want their heroes to be extraordinary and special.>And science fiction doesn't work when it's not believable.It does when you consider that most popular SF works like Star Trek are full of stupid shit like dyson spheres or terraforming other planets that would never work in real life and are hard to justify practically, and yet people still think these concepts are cool because sci-fi is fundamentally about speculating and imagining a future rather than autistically theorycrafting it according to armchair physics like your faggot self.
>>288386004>historically heroic tales of knights fighting giants and gnomes were enjoyed primarily by aristocracyAll the more reason to reject them. >most people think swordfighting is cooler than carpet bombingReality doesn't care about what you think is "cool". The hard fact is that the individual means less than nothing in warfare. >Star TrekThe fact the majority of people are willing to accept transporter tech over giant robots should tell you something. But you refuse to see that.
Why are people still falling for this obvious bait?
>>288386533Why are you labeling everything that doesn't agree with your worldview as bait?
