I do believe that means he just did a rape.
>>288355291That he should tell Shirou how much sex he's had with his adopted sister to both make him jealous and make her miserable.
I liked Sakura until I found out she was a raped wormslut. I guess seibah wins.
>>288355463Sex with kingslutSex with buttslutSex with wormslut
I can fix her
>>288355298>didYou have no idea.
>>288355298Is the rape occurring concurrently with the dialogue or is he talking about the past?
>>288355776He's talking about in the past. He's just pinning her down in that scene, though he was getting ready to rape her there before he became a blood stain.
>>288355291>be good looking>treat girls like so much fuckmeat>be popularIs that really so easy or was Nasu a retard
>>288355893Look at how many fangirls Gilgamesh has (including Saber's own seiyuu)
>>288355291Having your big tittied adopted sister as your sex slave sounds fucking hot he's so based
>>288355291Sakura raped Shinji
she can fix me
>>288355463>finds out a girl is a SA victim>loses interest in herThat says more about you. No wonder you're still a virgin.
>>288356233sakura is a whole other can of worms bro
>>288356286Kotomine removed them though.
Just another reason Illya Sakura is superior. No worms, greater innocence, literally removes her heart rather than let that inadequate fuck Shinji touch it. Such a good girl.
>>288356626>if a girl is faced with rape, then she should commit suicide
>>288355291How can anyone liked this whore? Not only is she used goods, she was used by Shinji.
The Human Penis was designed to scoop out the semen of rival males, so it's a non-issue
>>288356233>That says more about you.That he's normal?
>>288356702Girls are the ones saying rape is a fate worse than death.
>>288355291>you might have raped Sakura for years>you might have also almost raped Rin>but I will still save you, Shinji>in fact, I will even go so far to have my girlfriend Rin to save youWhen did you realize Shirou is a cuck?
>>288356853Do you have a source for that?
>>288355712>You have no idea.Then explain it.
>>288356855The fact Shinji was treated as a victim by Rin and Shirou in UBW was fucking insane. Dude tried to murder his entire school, tried to murder Shirou, tried to rape Rin, but in the end they risked allowing the entire world to be destroyed in order to save him.
>>288356879Sakura needed a husband in the UBW timeline
>>2883568584chan.org
>>288356879>>288356892Japanese author's obsession with forgiveness disgusts me.
>>288355298>a rapeI think it was more than one, anon.
>>288357013Bet the slut enjoyed it.
>>288357077That's what her rapist claimed.
>>288357145He was right since she got wet.
>>288356702Unironically yes. A woman choosing pride over life is animalistically attractive to me.
>>288356830That's just a psyop meant to normalize sexual degeneracy by the powers that be. Imagine believing a single word of academia in current year lol.
>>288355291>I WILL FUCK YOU TO PISS OFF THAT OTHER GUY>EMIYA EMIYA EMIYA EMIYAIs he gay?
>>288357679If you have to ask, then then answer is always yes.
shinji did nothing wrong, he was always our guy. the posts here read like they're from twitter faggots now
>>288355291Can sakura not get pregnant?
>>288357920She can't, the worms slurp up all the cum as mana before it could achieve its purpose.
>>288357077Shut up Shinji
>>288356879>>288356954that's kinda irrelevant since we know Heaven's Feel is the canonical route anon.
>we
>>288355291We had a good thing, you stupid can of worms. We had Mana. We had a Transfer. We had everything we needed and it all ran like clockwork. You could've shut your mouth, cooked me a few meals and had much mana as you ever needed. It was perfect. But no, you just had to eat the ginger's cooking. You and your avarice and your lust. You just had to be the woman. If you'd done your job, known your place, we'd all be fine right now.
>>288356233>tiktok speak>feminist moralityKYS
>>288358866>you just had to eat the ginger's cookingTo be fair it's really good cooking. They even made a show about it!
>>288356855>>288356879Sakurakeks are completely illiterate about the narrative of the VN exhibit #101716
>>288355291I don't get it. Why exactly is it framed as a bad thing?Wouldn't Sakura go on a serial raping spree raping random guys if Shinji didn't fuck her periodically?
>>288356233>you're a victim if you have sex>if you don't have sex you're a bad personfair assement I guess.
>>288360613Sakura never really cared about the rape, it wasn't even rape technically since she allowed it. The problem was telling Shirou about it.
>>288360667So is the rape thing just a meme or are genuinely insufferable femcels and manginas being serious about it?
>>288360690Well the intent behind it on Shinji's end was always as rape, but Shinji was never in control. It was convenient for Sakura, and more than that she pitied him for being so hung up on his circuits being worthless and her taking his place as a magus in the family. Sakura just wished he wouldn't be such an asshole about it, and her wish was granted in the ubw ending. But like >>288356879 said Shinji deserved his bad ends and got off too easy in ubw.
god I want to be raped by Illya
>>288360809She's a serial rapist.
>>288356233Still a used good ain't she?
>>288360832She is, yet somehow she's not even the most powerful rapist in her own series...
>>288360915You can’t spell it without good. Virginity is only relevant for one fuck, so anyone who cares about it knows that they’re too inadequate to get a second chance with the girl.
>>288361444rapist power levels?
>>288356233whatever
>>288358164>route in which Shirou doesn't become archer>canonI think not
>>288356879you just don't get it
>>288360757That's just some gigacope.If she's totally fine with being fucked by Shinji and in control the entire time, she wouldn't exactly care if Shirou found out.In fact, she would just get Shirou to fuck her much, much earlier if that was the case.
>>288355291I hate this art style, the characters look inhuman.
>>288358966So you think the hateful asshole who tried to murder his entire school because he wasn't born a wizard is actually a victim and worth risking the entire world to save? And don't tell me about Shirou saving everyone; he never tried to save Kotomine for example.
>>288360667Of course Sakura cared, however she had been tortured for over a decade and knew that resisting would only bring more torture. The whole "if she didn't want it she would have stopped it, therefore she's a slut" argument is pretty stupid.
>>288358908You first moid
>>288355291>This and the dirty gacha is all Fate is remembered forWhat a dogshit series
>>288360690she dies if she cant get creampied daily, shinji didnt fuck her she'd have to get fucked by random guys (which happens after she kills shinji)that's been her life since childhood so she doesnt care enough to stop it now, she only kills him because she realizes she has a chance with shirou and shinji is trying to ruin iti'd say it's still rape because shinji is doing it to rape her and feel powerful, not because he actually likes her and wants to have sex with her
>>288362705>she dies if she cant get creampied daily, shinji didnt fuck her she'd have to get fucked by random guys (which happens after she kills shinji)Nice fanfic.
>>288362705>shinji didnt fuck her she'd have to get fucked by random guys (which happens after she kills shinji)What?Angry manjew literally sleepwalked her and several guys tried to woo her only to be killed/maimed/eaten.It was so bad that there were like 30~40+ casualties on the news the next day.
>>288362900Dude is either deliberately shitposting or has no idea what happens in FSN.
>>288362599>>288362346You misunderstand, I was sayting Sakura didn't mind the rape by Shinji in a relative sense. When it's either that or being fucked by strangers several times a week, she prefers it to be him. She also really does think Shinji is pathetic. Sakura is cringe tortureporn.
>>288362074He doesn't become Archer in any route. Retard.
>>288363374Sakura wasn't getting fucked by random men.
>>288363679I never said she was, your reading comprehension sucks.
>>288363796>(which happens after she kills shinji)What's this supposed to mean then?
>>288363920You're a fucking moron. That's not my post.
>>288356233he can graduate from being a virgin, you can't get unraped
>>288362556The point of Rin's saving Shirou is to show her adopting the latter's mentality and disproving Gilgamesh's cynicism about the ideal. It's the culmination of her arc of her adopting her own desire to pursue the impossible and be a good person that made her fall for Shirou; she specifically says she is saving Shinji because she believes in Shirou's ideal. Shirou wouldn't save absolutely everyone because he naturally understands his limitations, but Rin's suffering through the Grail mud to save someone who tried to rape her shows the lengths she will go to help Shirou make his dream real and her love for him; it also juxtaposes with her decision to leave Shirou to die before seeing who he is. She grows from someone who feels compelled to conform to her father's ideal of a magus despite her best instincts to someone unreservedly embracing her idealism and desire to do good because of Shirou's influence.You don't have to think that Shinji is a victim to assess that he is not beyond saving or deserves to die because of his mistakes.
>>288362599>Sakura had been tortured for over a decadeZouken's abusive treatment of Sakura is kind of irrelevant when talking about the Matou sibling's power dynamics. If there was even a remote chance of anything good coming out of it Zouken would have dunked Shinji the worm dungeon too. I don't rember the exact details but Sakura's murder of Shinji in HF had him positively gleeful. It's one of the few times he deigns to remark upon Shinji's existence.
>>288364030Risking the entire world to try and save that psychotic piece of shit was really extreme though. And the fact Rin succeeded was bullshit. Gil shoved the lesser grail into Shinji and turned him into a giant flesh blob, but Rin was able to turn him back to normal with just a few minutes of surgery. It was as big an asspull as Shirou killing all of Herc's lives with a shitty traced Caliburn he pulled out of his ass in Fate.
>>288364102After a decade of being tortured at the slightest sign of defiance, it makes sense that she couldn't bring herself to resist Shinji even if he technically wasn't backed by Zouken.
>>288364126If anything, the story makes contrivance after contrivance to ensure Rin and Shirou don't win hard enough. By all means, Caster had been dead for two-three days by the point the three assaulted the temple yet Assassin was still around to temporarily distract Saber. Saber and Shirou together would have owned Gilgamesh beyond measure. Also Rin is powerful enough to take a life away from Heracles and her attacks are so fast that he can't even dodge them but must parry them. Her being able to heal Shinji would be terribly easy by comparison.
>>288364030Given that Rin unhesitatingly gave Shirou her biggest gem to save his heart, whatever the shit about being a mage never matters to her in the first place.Not like she actually got reinforced by it either since Kirei was the one who taught her magecraft and he's trash.
>>288363409ya, he just turns into a guy wearing Archer's uniform every time lmao
>>288364030>yeah anon I know your face got melted when Shinji activated the bounded field to suck your mana but he's good now alright
>>288364819Uh, no. The entire point of UBW is that Rin chose to become a magus because she found magecraft fun. Her resolution as stated in Shirou's defect is that she will only pursue magecraft insofar as it makes her happy, which is why by the end of the story she finds no contradiction in practicing magecraft and being with Shirou, and why in the anime original epilogue she chooses being with Shirou over pursuing magecraft at Clock Tower. But because of her trauma and her desire to live up to her father's expectations, she has forgotten why she initially chose to be a magus. That's the contradiction in Rin's character than Shirou pushes her to resolve. She saves Shirou because she had a crush on him as a symbol of her idealism, her innermost true desires and self. She idealizes Shirou because she wishes she could have the resolve that he does (and ofc Shirou himself is in awe of Rin because he admires said resolve, and his goal is to show Rin she has no reason to have self-doubt about her abilities). To say she doesn't care about her father's idea of a magus is ridiculous. Her commitment to her own notion of what a magus is is distorted by her father's. She could only have discarded it for Shirou's sake.>>288365062Good job not paying attention to the narrative at all.
>>288364709>Saber and Shirou together would have owned Gilgamesh beyond measure.lmao>Also Rin is powerful enough to take a life away from Heracles and her attacks are so fast that he can't even dodge them but must parry them. Her being able to heal Shinji would be terribly easy by comparison.Being able to blow shit up real good means she's able to surgically restore a giant flesh blob back to being human? Sure thing.
>>288356921Looks sketchy, will it give my pc aids?
>>288365304>To say she doesn't care about her father's idea of a magus is ridiculous.She doesn't give a fuck about it since her own actions pretty supported it from the beginning until the end, even in Fate and HF.>The entire point of UBW is that Rin chose to become a magus because she found magecraft fun.I'm amazed that you for some reason could even arrive at this conclusion.
>>288365420>I'm amazed that you for some reason could even arrive at this conclusion.Why are you trying to debate this when you clearly haven't properly read the VN (if at all) or paid attention to the anime?
>>288365324The flesh blob enveloped Shinji. It didn't transform.>lmaoNot an argument.
>>288365158Don't see the issue. Shinji wasn't an immediate threat to anyone at all.
>>288365493She didn't find magecraft fun retard.The fact she literally said that there was more than a few times she wanted to chop her own arm because getting used to the pain of having the crest sucks so fucking much, then she pretty much gave up her trump card (the 10 years gem) to save Shirou not just for herself but also Sakura, then even in the Bad End she just erased Shirou's memory instead of, you know, going all the way like typical mages because Shirou could still make a contract with a different Servant later on either by intention or coincidence.Oh, and did I mention how she risked her life breaking into Medea's workshop to grant Shirou a mercy death instead of keeping him as a mystic code to increase her chance of winning?
>>288365674Retard.>…Seeing her face makes me remember…The red school.>Tohsaka didn't say anything when she saw the unconscious students.>In spite of her shaking knees, she bit her lip and acted firm as usual.>…I realized at that time.>That she might be killing her true self by acting like a perfect magus.>"Was it hard for you, Tohsaka?">I get uneasy, so I ask.>"You mean the training? Sorry, but I never thought it was hard. I was able to do most things, and I was never discouraged because I couldn't do something.>And it was fun for me to learn new things. I told you right? I was born with this personality. So there's no need for you to worry.">She simply says so.>There's no bluff nor lie in her statement, and Tohsaka is smiling.>"I see. Then what about school? If you're going to live as a magus, isn't it meaningless to go to school?">"It's not meaningless, but it is straying away from my path.>But it's not pointless. Being a student is fun. I'm up for anything fun. It's a duty to succeed my dad, but I wouldn't do it if it wasn't fun.>I became a Master because I wanted to test my powers, and I'm cooperating with you because you're funny.">A family of magi.>I thought Tohsaka was carrying a dark shadow because she's bound by a heavy history and bloodline.>But that was just my prejudice.>The "Tohsaka family" is not a burden on her, and she's done what she wanted up to now.https://lparchive.org/Fatestay-night/Update%20179/The entire conflict between Rin and Shirou is that Rin wants Shirou to adopt her own mindset of only pursuing that which makes him happy. Good job not paying attention, retard.
>>288365892Thanks for the concession that Rin never gave a fuck about her father's idea of magecraft.>my daughter Rin you need to be elegant>nah dad I will do pushups and learn kungfu unlike your weakass>magecraft is funLiterally in your own quote that what's fun to her is 'new stuff', and in the prologue she claimed that magecraft is about reaching the last aka old stuff>never discouragedlmao she literally got creeped out when she discovered that Shirou's projection didn't fade unlike herAlso she gave up after Shirou failed to do as she instructed him
>>288366224I'm not sure what the fuck you're even trying to argue for at this point. Rin attacks Shirou at the school but doesn't attack Shinji despite his being as much of a non-threat as Shirou because she is afraid that her feelings for Shirou will compromise her objectivity and lead her to becoming soft and abandoning her commitment to her father's ideal. She acts insulting and disrespectful towards him after he loses Saber so that she doesn't become weak by expressing sympathy before him (even though she is quite sympathetic about what has happened to him). Rin in her heart of hearts hates her father's idea of a magus, but remains committed to it out of her love for him.>Literally in your own quote that what's fun to her is 'new stuff'Blud can't read>Being a student is fun. I'm up for anything fun. It's a duty to succeed my dad, but I wouldn't do it if it wasn't fun.She likes learning new things about magecraft because she finds the practice of magecraft fun, dumbass.>lmao she literally got creeped out when she discovered that Shirou's projection didn't fade unlike herWhat does this have to do with anything, retard? She was disturbed by his having a Reality Marble because of what it implied about Shirou's past that he has one. That has nothing to do with her training.
>>288356233>finds out anon loses interest in SA victims>calls him a virginThat says more about you. No wonder you're used goods.
>>288356233Women should be forced to marry their rapist, it's always their fault.
>>288365540No, Shinji pulled a Tetsuo and turned into a flesh blob when the grail was inserted into him. The grail did not produce a clump of flesh out of nowhere to envelop him.The only reason Saber won in Fate was that she had Avalon. She didn't in UBW so she'd be fucked the moment Gil used Ea, which he'd be much more willing to do when faced with Saber instead of Shirou.
>>288367464The Grail was converting his mana into an access point for the flesh of Angra Mainyu. The clump of flesh is Angra Mainyu's own being.
>>288356233
>>288368786Wrong. Shinji turned into a flesh blob because his body couldn't handle the lesser grail and grew out of control. Angra had nothing to do with it, which is why nothing of the sort happened to Illya in Fate when she was activated as the lesser grail.
>>288356879>The fact Shinji was treated as a victim by Rin and Shirou in UBW was fucking insaneIt doesnt absolve him of what he did wrong, but Shinji was unequivocally a victim of Zouken
>>288369317>But even Saber falters against the mountain of meat.>It is not because of its ugliness.>It is because she can tell that the lump of meat and the curse flowing out of it are the same as her.>"A Servantcan a Servant turn out to be that different if the summoning is done in the wrong way?">Or is that the power of the Holy Grail?>She stares at it and shakes her head.https://lparchive.org/Fatestay-night/Update%20230/>…He must be stuck to the flesh.>His clothes have been torn off, leaving him naked. Visible against his skin, the blood vessels writhe like centipedes, connecting him to the meat.>…It looks bizarre, as if grapevines took a human form.>[...]>"I thought so. The Holy Grail this time is in human form. So it means it's operated using a person, right?>I guess Shinji turned out that way because he's incompatible, but the Holy Grail won't function unless the host is alive."https://lparchive.org/Fatestay-night/Update%20226/It's clearly stated that the meat is Angra Mainyu in human form. The mountain of meat is described as connected from Shinji but distinct from him. Shinji's being incompatible with the Grail and letting loose AM into the world doesn't change the fact the flesh is not his own. This is why in the anime (supervised by Nasu) the mountain of meat literally becomes a humanoid figure that moves about.
>>288369352Not really since Zouken ignored him since he wasn't useful to him. Shinji was the one who wanted to take part in the grail war and Zouken allowed it.
>>288355298it was consensual tho
>>288369485The anime showed his body expanding.
>>288369875Low IQ take
