Scientifically speaking, it's not possible to write a better romance manga than this one.Mangaka just came out of nowhere, dropped this gem, then went back to write about her gender fetish.
Dropped it in 3 chapters. Sniff fetish shit is garbage
>>288385269same, too fetishistic for me, after a while i just didn't want to keep reading
>>288385269It is. It would have been a 10/10 otherwise.
>>288384735>Scientifically speaking, it's not possible to write a better romance manga than this one.Ase no Sekken its good but i've read just as good romance manga>then went back to write about her gender fetishQuick rundown?
>>288385764>i've read just as good romance mangaRecs?>Quick rundownShe worked on another series about a tomboy romancing a cross-dresser that got axed. Now she only works on her genderbend doujinshi. Apparently she was asked to write another ikemen series like AtS right after she finished that one, but she refused.
>>288384735This is fetish smut, anon.
Terrible. The smell fetish could have worked if the male MC had some shame but he’s like a rabid dog from the start. Couldn’t take it seriously.
>>288384735>it's not possible to write a better romance manga than this one.Wrong.
>>288384735>gender fetishWhy yes, I have a female gender fetish myself
>>288386072>Recs?Arakure Ojousama wa Monmon Shiteiru and Sensei wa Koi wo Oshierarenai are some pretty good ones>She worked on another series about a tomboy romancing a cross-dresser that got axed.Oh i remember something like that>Now she only works on her genderbend doujinshi. Name?
>>288386829>Arakure Ojousama wa Monmon ShiteiruI tried that one out. Not my thing desu>Sensei wa Koi wo OshierarenaiThis one looks promising but wasn't it canceled?
>>288387071>This one looks promising but wasn't it canceled?I think it was axed, but the author did a good job of ending the series. It's one of the best romance i've read desu
Reading shoujo romcom every once in a while for a change of pace is good, but the people who comment on manga websites are so fucking obnoxious with the levels of defense force they will play for blatant wish-fullfilment from women compared to men.I wonder if there will ever be a tipping point where romcoms of either type will be treated equally. Also women REALLY love either younger or older men, rarely same ageOn another subject, how do you all feel about romcoms that use siblings as a substitute for children to make a younger couple have more married woes than typical highschool ones? Someone seems to have picked up Koori no Hime wa Chiisana Hidamari de Tokasaretai and finishing it off the TL.
>>288387204>but the people who comment on manga websites are so fucking obnoxious with the levels of defense force they will play for blatant wish-fullfilment from women compared to menYeah, tourists only have a problem with display of horniness if they are made by or for men. It's really retarded
>>288387204>On another subject, how do you all feel about romcoms that use siblings as a substitute for children to make a younger couple have more married woes than typical highschool ones?I wish there was some romance brave enough to portray teen pregnancy in manga. It's such a big untapped potential, it can create drama, comedy, romance etc so easily
>>288387289There has to be some joesei melodrama about this, because I don't think there's a publisher alive that wants to deal with a happy depiction of teen pregnancy going well for a normal highschool couple.
>>288387345>because I don't think there's a publisher alive that wants to deal with a happy depiction of teen pregnancy going well for a normal highschool couple.They should considering the low birth rates problem
>My Father is Forcing me to Study to be #1 in Class Otherwise he will Schedule my Abortion!!
>>288387289i legitimately thought Nagatoro would go this route for a bit
>>288386829Arakure Ojousama has been on sex namek for like 30 chapters at this point
>>288387580mangaka got pregnant (again) please understand
>>288387289Teen pregnancy is too easily solvable a problem without making the story around it contrived thus unenjoyable.
>>288386072Smoke & Honey > Sweat & Soap
>>288387109I just read the first chapter, looks pretty cute. I can't say no to a girl with dark hair, ponytail and glasses. Do they ever show how they started dating?
>>288387637>Do they ever show how they started dating?Yes
>>288387289>>288387345There is one josei about teen pregnancy. I just don't remember the name.
>>288387204>Also women REALLY love either younger or older men, rarely same agethe most popular shoujos always have male leads the same age...
For shoujo, I really liked this until I read the spoiler.
>>288387628I love it but it's kind of light on the romance so far, or more like easy going on it, and heavy on the SoL goodness and Himeko swoonings.
>>288387706Males that only female readers could possibly like, or even tolerate, are what kill many shoujo & josei type manga for mem
>>288387760Yea, Shigei is seriously a female-only character because good god is he unlikable and irredeemable for a protag. He's that MS Paint meme about a serial killer, but the author is 100% sincere in her lust for him.
>>288387637Also if you liked that i also recommendSesame Salt and PuddingMy Wife Is a Little ScaryYakumo-san wa Ezuke ga ShitaiMy Divorced Crybaby NeighbourPuppy LoversOshiego-kun to wa DekimasenTora wa Ryuu o Mada TabenaiTorima Minshuku Yadori-teki na!Game OverIkemen Joshi to Kinpatsu Shota
>>288387760yeah because the romance men like is so much better...seo shit, rent a girlfriend, komi shit, kaguya shit
>>288387760To be fair, the reverse is also very common in romance manga for men.Idealization and simplification of the opposite sex is the bread and butter of any wish-fulfillment romance media. It is what it is desu.
>>288386780sangatsu was better when the girls were Kiriyama's platonic retreat from his problems
>>288387904I just wonder if women have such a visceral dislike of shonen female leads the same way guys have for a lot of the sloppier shoujou male leads. I'm always pretty generous in my tolerance for writing when I read some shoujo because I'm aware I'm not the target audience, but typical romcom seems to be much more broad appeal than male appeal.
>>288387960i like his romance with hina but i respect your opinion anon
>>288387788I don't think so but thanks anyway. I might check Oshiego-kun to wa Dekimasen.
>>288388003>I just wonder if women have such a visceral dislike of shonen female leadsdepends on the shonen...sakura is loved by many women but you cant say the same for ochako i think
>>288387816u mad? I never implied they weren't, many popular male demo manga have terrible female characters, either retarded or too one dimensional, and a host of other problems. But it doesn't change the fact a lot of women have utter dogshit taste in male characters and lust over total shitbag edgy faggots nobody not thinking with their vag tingles could like. Make no mistake you are on the same level as guys liking retarded, violent tsuncunts. Some of my favourite romance manga are written by females. Women can write decent male characters when they want to.
>>288388071It's Orihime that they hate
>>288386829>name?Seigitai Osananajimi
>>288387730If Bunji can wait, so can I
>>288388071shonen as in male oriented manga (shoujo, shonen, joesei, seinen), not battleshit like how NA uses shonen.
>>288388107rukia is just a better character overall which makes her interactions with ichigo better in general so yeah that checks out but i think orihime isnt so hated...when it comes to the female popularity in bleach, its rukia followed by a large gap and either orihime or yoruichi coming in 2nd
>>288388120idk it seems like the only shonen female lead that got any real hate was sakura from naruto. ochako, rukia, nezuko, erina, chitoge etc...im sure there are people who dislike these characters but they seemed to be liked overall. im trying to think if any weekly shonen sunday or weekly young jump or weekly shonen magazine female leads ever got serious hate but i dont think so..
>>288388003They hate shounen girls because they ruin their yaoi ships. I had a fujo friend who hated Hinata and Ochako but was fine with male-oriented romcom girls like Marin or Shikimori.
>>288388405>>288388310I'm talking about non-shoujo romcom female leads, not actual "we have powers levels, tournament battles and villains to defeat" shonen. Something like this for example, female lead likes the MC and hangs around him rather than being like every other girl in the story who chases after his ikemen brother. Just a regular romcom female lead, likes the MC because he's nice type shit.
>>288388003I'd wager it depends. Something like TLR or Haganai is pretty explicitly woman repellent since there isn't much for women to latch onto, but then there are plenty of women who like Nagatoro, Sono Bisque Doll, Otonari no Tenshi-sama, and isekai like Re:Zero or KonoSuba. Afaict women generally dislike overt sexualization/voyeur ecchi (like pantyshots or lucky pervert scenes) but do like fashionable or assertive female leads, cuter male leads with a hobby gimmick, and monogamy.Pic related, a good indicator of how popular a female lead is with women is whether or not they get outfit guides like this. It's more common with shoujo leads, but it happens with romcom heroines too.
>>288388504>Just a regular romcom female lead, likes the MC because he's nice type shit.pic-related would fall under the non-shoujo romcom female lead category..women loved this show
Ohayou Ibarahime is very overlooked on this board.
>>288388512Yea, obviously anything super sexual purely for the male reader is out, that's obvious. The one I had in mind specifically is something like Haimiya which is blowing up in popularity recently, but is what I would consider slop romcom. She doesn't do anything that would turn off female readers, but she is very "i like him because he's nice" coded which is what I would equate with the "super handsome ikemen picks class loser and becomes extremely aggressive to anyone who approches her while every other female lead tries to steal him from FeMC" type that men typically dislike in shoujo.
>>288388504As I was saying, my fujo friend actually enjoyed those romcoms and didn't have a problem with the idealized girls. She only hated them when they had humongous breasts.>>288388593Bad example. That show was made for women.>b-but muh magazineDoesn't matter anymore. It was made for women.
>>288388689Dammit, pic didn't attach. Shit has like over 100k monthly sales based purely on her design alone because ain't shit happening storywise.
>>288388112What's going on there?
>>288388096>guys liking retarded, violent tsuncunts.are you one of those readers that thinks tsunderes are actually hitting the mcs into walls and shit. its all just for comedy
>>288386780It's one of my favorite, but holy SHIT is it one of the slowest burn romances ever. But that's also why I love it so much. I also like that Hina somehow gets more fluffy as time has gone on.
I don't understand how man could come up with a character like Gojo Satoru, nor how any guy could like him.
>>288388746She's kissing the hand her husbando just kissed >>288387628
Anyone else find it kinda funny that everything went to shit immediately in BatsuHare after that doroboneko forced herself into their situation to the point it might crumble everything back to the status quo? Nobody wants her there, but she's essentially blackmailing them into makking her a harem member.
>>288388689>>288388729Imo it's too early to say, but I wouldn't be surprised if it ended up being reasonably popular with women. She's pretty in a way women like, it's a "wholesome" manga without much in the way of ecchi, and it's got the same kind of appeal as Shikimori-san or Mikadono Sanshimai where the mc is cute compared to the fmc's cool. Stuff like picrel is a good sign too in that regard.
>>288388802one more volume and its all over ;;
Romcoms are boring and you can convince me otherwise.
>>288388972Yea, the daycare chapter is also female reader bait >he's rushed over thinking there was a problem then he was nice with kids and got along with themSeems to be leaning towards female audience than male, especially with the introduction of the other girl who's more interested in her than him.
>>288388107crazy yumejoshi sexo
>women only hate romcom leads when they have big boobsso fucking hilariously pathetic. women need to get it together.
>>288384735it's good but nowhere near what you described
>>288389710strangely, a lot of the protagonists in hentai for women have big tits; not ecchi-huge but still quite massive
>>288390069Probably just basic "big boob shoujo ero is empowering and big boob romcom is demeaning" logic
>>288390288But shoujo is mainly romcom when it's not being romance drama
>>288388601Any love triangle or bait?
>>288387788Thanks for the recs.I read My Divorced Crybaby Neighbor and it was very sweet.
I vaguely remember reading a romcom where the guy was trying to date a girl with multiple personalitiesNo, I'm not talking about Pseudo Harem, this was not an act.She actually had 2 personalitiesAnd the series was fluff-oriented more than taking it super seriously
So much hate for this series. Is it that bad?
>>288392312I have never seen anyone hate this series
>>288388003>but typical romcom seems to be much more broad appeal than male appeal.If by typical romcom, you mean the modern romcom that's distilled down to pure male fantasy, then no. Sure, there are romcoms with broad appeal like Kaguya, but these romcoms have some of the most overwhelmingly male audiences in all of anime/manga. They can get as high as over 90% male. But it's generally not that the female audience gets turned off by the female leads. They don't like the male leads.>>288388512>Nagatoro, Sono Bisque Doll, Otonari no Tenshi-sama, and isekai like Re:Zero or KonoSubaDon't know about Otonari no Tenshi-sama, but for the rest of these series, the audience leans heavily male.
>>288392531Sono Bisque is probably one of the most female popular romcoms recently.
>>288392531Sono Bisque has mostly female fanbase
>>288392591Are you including shoujo?>>288392731Sono Bisque has a 70% male audience.
>>288392312This series is quite popular on this board, it's just OP ruffled some feathers with his bait.
>>288392801The amount of female fans that Sono Bisque has between the anime and manga dwarfs a massive female readership shoujo manga.
>>288391882>divorced>confirmed used goods>sweetAnon...
>>288391882Ochiai is the best>>288392848>>confirmed used goodsShe isnt btw
>>288392864>She isnt btwDelusional retard or bad faith?
>>288392891Her ex was more focused on treating her like shit because she liked spices than having sex with her
>>288387204>people who comment on manga websiteswhy do you even read those.
>>288392938It's often shoved right in your face on the side-menu, like Youtube comments.
>>288387816women really like kaguya for some reason
>>288391353Depends if multiple personalities fits your bill or not.
>>288392969I deleted the entire tab with Ublock origin, I never have to see them again
>>288392864>She isnt btwHow? That makes no sense, she used to be a married woman
>>288393015The BITCH had way too many spices
>>288384735It's not bad
>>288387788>Puppy LoversThis was /ss/ KINO
>>288392974Kaguya isn't just there to be gotten, she and the MaleMC banter back and forth. Same reason that lots of women like Marin.
>>288393117
>>288393053Might still be one of the all time most ridiculous reasons to have have relationship drama, but it feels intentionally stupid and not accidentally stupid.
>>288393053That never stopped a man before. Also, isn't this the same artist who made the manga about healing the gyaru/corrupted childhood friend who was also used goods? The artstyle is similar.
>>288393214>but it feels intentionally stupid and not accidentally stupidwell duhit's just for the fantasy about healing a divorced woman but in a way she keeps being pure, this is why 2D > 3dpd
>>288393220>Also, isn't this the same artist who made the manga about healing the gyaru/corrupted childhood friend who was also used goods? The artstyle is similar.yeah but it was never shown she was used goods there either iirc
>>288393257>yeah but it was never shown she was used goods there either iircIt literally was. You can't lie to me about that one, anon.
Behold, the greatest romance in all manga and I'm not talking about the main couple. IYKYK.
>>288393289It was just slightly implied she got raped
>>288393053>abusive awful husband who gets mad over irrelevant shit>doesnt try to force sex onceits just not realistic
>>288386072>tomboy romancing a cross-dresserBut that's not Ookami Shounen wa Kyou mo Uso wo Kasaneru
>>288393369>its just not realisticA manga is not realistic? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lbuiV34aSk
>>288393296How can anyone love a woman whose hands have been touched by an indian man?
>>288393125It's usually not the female lead who has a problem of not being able to banter. It's the male lead. That's why women don't like them.
>>288394029Yeah because the average romcom MC is written like a damp sock so male readers can project onto him. Female readers don't want to date a camera tripod with anxiety bubbles. Shirogane works because he's a neurotic freak with actual goals and pride, not just "uhhh nice girl talked to me, impossible".
>>288392845Fruits Basket, Chihayafuru, and Kimi ni Todoke all far eclipse Sono Bisque Doll. Wotakoi has similar sales per volume numbers as Sono Bisque Doll and a much more female fanbase. I also think it's a pretty safe bet to say that Jibaku Shounen Hanako-kun and Horimiya both have more female fans than Sono Bisque Doll. If you count Kusuriya no Hitorigoto as romcom (I don't), it also massively dwarfs Sono Bisque Doll.
>>288394422>Fruits Basket, Chihayafuru, and Kimi ni Todoke all far eclipse Sono Bisque Doll. FB and Kimi ni Todoke are both legendary shojo so it seems unfair to mention either, the latter having sold 36 million with only 30 volumes. Chihayafuru has also sold more than Sono, but Sono's peak popularity surpassed Chihaya's peak popularity, Chihayafuru doesn't even have an English physical release. Also every series you mentioned has less merch than Sono.
Daredemo
>>288395351Truly the most com of all roms
>>288393117I hate the fact that I can recognize Amazume Ryuta from a simple glance.
>>288394262And male readers don't want to see waifu chan get wooed by some charming hot dude
>>288395713Speak for yourselfI self insert as Chad every time. I'm sick and tired of the ''WWAAAAAAAAAH DONT SUCK MY DIIIIIIIIICK'' protags
>>288395731Trying real hard to think of male writers who don't abuse this shit. One of the few redeeming qualities of shoujo romcoms is MCes who aren't terminally allergic to female contact.They just trade male sensibilities for that priviliege...
>>288384735>Scientifically speaking, it's not possible to write a better romance manga than this one.The very same mangaka wrote a better one on the span of a single volume. Sweat and Soap is fine, but it's also overrated fetish material.
>>288395763>spoilerYou do have a point.>Trying real hard to think of male writers who don't abuse this shitMy Divorced Crybaby Neighbour posted above makes a good job at this
>>288395839>pic is a one-sided ship that happens in timeskipwhats the appeal of this
>>288395868I doubt you read/watched BleachHow is that one sided? Ichigo literally goes on a suicidal mission alone vs Satan to save Orihime, and Orihime confesses to him before getting kidnapped
>>288395797Homeoffice Romance was garbage.
>>288395731I ,mean i'm sick of that too, but i feel like there has to be some kind of middle ground between that and prince charming
>>288395890Yes, i agree as i said in >>288395839Psychotic rapechad isn't my thing either
>>288395885>Ichigo literally goes on a suicidal mission alone vs Satan to save Orihime,like he did with rukia in the first arc and uryu in the last?>Orihime confesses to him before getting kidnappedhe was asleep...
>>288395926>like he did with rukia in the first arc and uryu in the last?Very different situations>he was asleep...And? You said it was one-sided when both parties demonstrated affection towards eachother. Are you by chance her >>288388107 (my post btw)
>>288395839Zaguya doesn't write romcoms, he writes fanbox bait to solicit buyers for his ero-drawings.
>>288392531>>288394422A manga's audience being primarily male doesn't prevent women from being tolerant of or even liking it, which was the initial subject. Obviously people prefer what's made for them more often than not, but it's not that rare for something to blow up and get popular with demographics outside of its initial target audience. 30% for Sono Bisque Doll and an overall favorable impression of its leads is still notable considering it's squarely meant for men.I mostly agree about the male leads though; nobody likes watching someone else's self-insert prance around and shoelace their way into a harem, which is why shit like CotE or Mato Slave will never get a proper female audience. Exceptions do exist though, like when the mc is sufficiently moe (Izumi from Shikimori-san, Yuu from Sanshimai, etc.) or fulfills some niche women can't easily get elsewhere. You'd be surprised how many fujos are into Re:Zero for the gyaku ryona and the later-stage wn yaoibaiting, for example.
>>288395955>Very different situationshow so? he was determined to go alone to save both girls but his friends ended up tagging along both times and he was determined to fight through all the nazis to bring uryu back, its the same thing>You said it was one-sided when both parties demonstrated affection towards eachother.uhh one-sided meaning only orihime had canon feelings for ichigo while he had canon feelings for no one..whats the appeal of poorly written shounen ships?
>>288395999Upside down satan, I'd argue Sono Bisque is clearly made for women. It's all about cute clothes and a woman getting doted on by a tall bigchad who only has eyes for the heroine.
>>288396032>a woman getting doted on by a tall bigchad who only has eyes for the heroine.but the cute perfect heroine only has eyes for the tall big chad so whats your point? its not like marin is some average girl
>>288396002>he had canon feelings for no one..Wrong, he has feelings for Orihime
>>288396059she's a girlfailure pervert gal (aka an outcast)
>>288395889It was far better than Sweat and Soap.
>>288396203Marin is a character that outcasts can self-insert into, but she's nowhere close to bring an outcast within the context of the narrative. She's incredibly popular and has a large, supportive friend group.
>>288396232of fellow otaku cosplayers (aka outcasts)face it, Sono Bisque is made for girls
>>288396206Maybe on planet wrong
>>288396206not him but not really
>>288396245I would say it's written for a broad audience. Fukuda tried to appeal to as many people as she could and obviously succeeded given that the series is popular with both men and women.
>>288396203>beautiful enough to work as an amateur model>supportive dad>popular>gojo notes that shes always the center of attentionshe is in no way an outcast, the average woman doesnt work as a model and her animanga cosplay obsession that makes her an otaku just increases her gap moe
>>288396201>he has feelings for Orihimeok, can you post his confession then? or the scene where he states that he has a crush on her
>>288396348holy shit, female wish-fulfillment manga has wish fulfillment!? What is this weird stand some people want to have that Sono Bisque isn't primarily aimed at women with a dash of male appeal tossed in. Just because it got super popular with a male audience, doesn't change the fact that it's original audience WAS female.
>>288396369oh yea i never argued differently, but what does it matter if its aimed at women? both marin and gojo are a 10/10 so both the male and female self-inserters win which prob the reason it become popular with men, marin can be the perfect girlfriend to either normies who arent really into the animanga/cosplay/merch scene or hardcore otakus
>>288388003No, you're describing fujos. They're a whole different species than, well, "normal" female fans.>>288388512>fashionableHit the nail on the head, especially with detailed clothing, swimsuits, and lingerie. Ironically, the amount of effort put into such designs could be considered porn in itself, kek.And it's true women like sexy girls a lot of the time; like you said, it depends and there are some exceptios of fans of the examples you provided. Hell, there was and still are plenty of women in the doujin, otome, and hentai scenes. I'd say most of it comes from power fantasies, but it can easily get tangled up in delusion not unlike social media addicts.
>>288396032>>288396203The cute clothes and cosplay part is for women. The romance is for men. Gojo is the outcast and he's too much of a pussy to be a chad. Also, for him to dote on her, he actually needs to take the initiative to actively dote on her, not being passive all the time and too scared to touch her.
>>288396032It's definitely for men, but it's in that territory where because it's a female mangaka writing for a male audience you'll inevitably get filtered through her perspective and sensibilities somewhat, intentionally or not.For example, in pursuit of making an otaku that contrasts Marin's gyaru-anime/eroge otaku gap moe but still in a position to meet and keep in contact with her, you wind up with the traditional Gojo who makes clothes for Hina dolls whose traits thereby have to match (old-fashioned, hard-working, meticulous, family-oriented, etc.), all of which give him depth and make him attractive despite the intention being balance and believability for an "average guy" that, whoopsie-daisy, isn't average at all.An average romcom would've just made him a second anime otaku that mysteriously knows how to make clothes because of his mesugaki imouto (secondary harem member) he lives alone with and call it a day.The bones of it make it clear that Marin's the prize and the other girls are there to tiltillate the viewer along the way, but the mangaka's obviously going to season the meat with stuff she likes.
>>288394848>Also every series you mentioned has less merch than Sono.Maybe. I don't know about merch but I feel you're not doing a proper comparison. How much Wakana Gojo merch gets sold compared to Hanako merch? I can't imagine that it's more.
Are you guys so far gone that you think a manga was made for women because the protagonist has a couple of redeeming qualities? Sono Bisque Doll was made for males. Most of the fans are men. The romance appeals to men. The mangaka is a woman so she put a lot of focus on clothes and makeup, which makes it somewhat appealing to women too.
>>288396621>The romance appeals to menThe romance appeals to men (cute girl likes guy) and women (big good looking guy with huge hands takes interest in her hobbies and makes clothes for her)
>Sono Bisque>romancedoesn't exist until the twilight of the manga and even that is barely existant, Marin's girly crush monologue means nothing.
>>288396621>Most of the fans are men.How do we actually know this though? Did the magazine release a poll revealing its readership? This is the same magazine Apothecary Diaries runs in, I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of readers are women. Look at the merch anon, only a woman would want this desu.
>>288386780>"writing">the location of my heartlmao
>>288396717Statistics from Hon no Hikidashi
>>288396837I thought it would mainly women or at least a close split desu. Marin is the perfect gap moe girlfriend though so I can see why men love the series. They definitely catered to the female readers with the special edition volume merch.
To the anon who recommended me the teacher x student manga, thank you. The girl has the kind of looks and personality that I love and the male MC is very cool too.
>>288397009You are welcome
Came across Re-Living My Life with a Boyfriend Who Doesn’t Remember Me and it's been a pretty nice read. Romance kinda fucking blows, but the premise is good and I've been enjoying it. Supposedly it's gonna get an anime, but seems dead in the water.
>>288397069I finished it in one day. Very cute 6 or 7/10. The ending felt rushed but at some point there was no progress at all, so maybe it's a good thing that it was so short. Love rival drags it down a point or two.
>>288386829I've gotten mileage out of picrel.
>>288385269/thread
>>288393296You mean ze Germans, right? Goal relationship right there, and best girl(woman) too.
>>288395731Womens' idea of chad and mens' idea of chad are very different. In fact the one of the only common aspects is sexual/roantically sucessful. I don't want to see slick prettyboy metrosexual urbanites.Self insert is shit; we need male characters to admire and like as a separate entity, who we'd want to be like, not WAAAH SHE TOUCHED ME short meek literally mes and not *KABEDONS* LOOK AT ME IN MY DESIGNER CLOTHES AND SWISH HAIR AND FEMININE BEDROOM EYES I AM 6'2" BUT LOOK LIKE 160lbs AND I WORK IN AN ELITE OFFICE ikemen faglords (even worse, for male readers, when they're totally women written and are also stalker psychopath serialkiller vampires with an S&M dungeon and prone to outburst of domestic violence)
>>288396206It had a likeable female lead so I agree.
>>288397009You love MUH RULES prudes? She had a stick right up her ass. I hate insect hivemind brained characters like that.
Wasn't there some romcom where the focus was grillingDoes anyone have the name
>>288400210Kingu ova da Hillu
I've never seen a romcom where the main girl is so fucking shit that even the most Designated Loser Heroine outclasses her by a mile and the intentionally setup "rival" is easily the best girl that actually cares deeply for the MC and is setup perfect to complement him.It's amazing, it's like the author intentionally made a shit FeMC just so he could have a haught drilled hair ojou turn into the best choice.
>>288400458Last time people were saying this about Himari and then it turned out her she was the only girl in the show that was at least a bit interesting.
>>288400458Tell me who, so I can blacklist this hack piece of shit.
>>288393214You've no idea the stupid shit that starts massive shouting arguments in families.
>>288384735absolute cringe fetish only second to feet
>>288398300That was my biggest gripe with this series. It felt like they delayed really fleshing out their relationship and character and then the axe fell and suddenly they had to halfass all of it asap.
>>288400210That one has the other end of the spectrum the male is the biggest soiboy imaginable, literally scared and anxious of going camping and stuff like that. It's like the mangaka wrote the FeMC a girlfriend/wife but gave her a vaguely male appearance (actually pretty androgynous).The hag was the best and cutest. The cute hag was the best part.
>>288400458>>288401102I refuse to champion creative freedom. This shit should literally be punishable by death.
>>288399758I like girls who get embarrassed pretty easily but aren't retarded moeblobs.
>>288387289DomeKano?
>>288387661Ano ko no kodomo
>>288401763>>288401102I will protect my precious loving ojou with a hidden pain. All garbage Umaru clones MUST lose to sincere girls to open up because they trust the MCI was Assigned to Take Care of the Most Talented Young Lady (with No Life Skills) at a Prestigious School Full of High Achievers
>>288403613Fucking garbage title
>>288403624It's about the same quality as well, but what you gonna do when LNs get adapted. It's like a typical shoujo poor girl becomes the duke's fiancee story, but done from the male perspective.
>>288400458An anime adaptation has been announced and I expect you to be there and bitch about it every week anon.
>>288403957Make that shit's threads completely unusable. Fucking cattle.
>>288403957Ah that blows, they won't get far enough to reach the chapters were the MC and Tennouji really start bonding. The CF is a good consolation prize alteast. Maid and Hinako a shit
>>288387289You can't do that.Teen pregnancy is a taboo. Many people just wouldn't laugh at any of your attempts at comedy with it.Plus you'd be going against all the government-backed school sex ed lessons about safe sex and birth control, being a bad influence on children.That's why works portraying teenage pregnancy are always either josei drama or seinen horror or porn.
>>288392801>Are you including shoujo?shoujo is not popular
>>288392819Sorry, I didn't want this thread to die after 4 posts.
>Undead-san no Bukiyou na Seishun>Sister-sama no Oose no Mama nithis author has cute art and good romcom
>>288404225kinda weird we had that super active romcom thread a few days ago, but every attempt to talk about then again just dies out.
POV: You're a dweeb x gyaru romcom
>>288405708aka a romcom featuring a gyaru
>>288404116>Teen pregnancy is a taboo. Many people just wouldn't laugh at any of your attempts at comedy with it.Why not?>all the government-backed school sex ed lessons about safe sex and birth controlSeems counter-productive
>>288402543Sadly, last volume is nowhere to be found for free.
The only way teen pregnancy can be done in a positive manner is with a rich family fully supporting a girl who already has a set future and is just getting an early start making heirs. Any other scenario is a ridiculous fuckup to your life to be a teen mom unless you just want write a fantasy about a rich CEO swooping in to rescue le poor girl and raise someone else's responsibility.
>>288396734Anime and mange is written for teenagers. Most people on this board are teenagers. Dont bully
>>288407327Romcoms aren't for teens, it's for adults who want to remember fun times.
>>288407636>remember>memoriesHaha... yeah
>>288405708>pov: you're a manga
>>288389123What?
>>288407327>>288407636depends on the genre retardbros
>>288385441The sniff fetish stops being relevant after the first few chapters.
>>288395976Underrated truthnuke. At this point there's barely any writing, he just strings clichés and add huge tits. But khvs will happily lap it up.
>>288410559and
Any manga where the female lead wears glasses, has dark hair and is very shy? Bonus points for ponytails.
>>288411451Puppy LoversSensei wa Koi wo Oshierarenai Yakumo-san wa Ezuke ga ShitaiAse to Sekken
Why do purityfags whinge about "used goods" and in the same breath complain about manga not being realistic?How deeply rooted is your mental illness for this cognitive dissonance to occur?
>>288411598You can be realistic without having the main girl sucking a dick, cuckfag.
>>288411475Already read them>widowNot interested
>>288411598>realisticwhy doesn't every chapter include the characters taking a shit then
>>288411598You're quite the idiot. Realism means having a main couple with believable chemistry who behave like real lovers. It doesn't mean making every female character loose just because your only reference for a woman is your mother. Especially since most of them are still in school.
>>288406506just abort it in ch2 and play a strandard straight romance
>>288411807then that's just dramabait slop, not an actual teen pregnancy romcom
>>288411807dogshit idea
>>288406506why not just young fools messing up but making a good thing out of their mistakei also want drama
>>288412143because you'd have to justify the decision to keep it and teen parents in modern japan can't afford a kid in time or moneyI guess you could do some sort of rural village raises everyone together type story (which kinda already exists, but without the actual already pregnant part, it's just an excuse to draw a gyaru fucking a lot to get pregnant)
>>288412201almost makes me want to create a webcomic with this premise desu
>>288412913Like I said, it exists, but it's not very good.Inaka no Kuro Gal JK to Kekkon Shimashita
>>288413595No, not the gyaru fucking alot
>>288412201>teen parents in modern japan can't afford a kid in time or moneyyes they can
>>288388689>super handsome ikemen picks class loser and becomes extremely aggressive to anyone who approches her while every other female lead tries to steal him from FeMCthis to me is equivalent to the unrealistic lucky pervert moments that push women awaypure wish fulfillment that says its not for me
>>288415838I'm still unsure if it's intentional or not on the author's part, but when shoujo authors have 2 guys "fight" like women for the heart of the FeMC it's always the point where I have to wonder if she has any male person in her life at all to consult.I read something recently where one guy who stink eye the MC while sending snide text messages saying "stay away from her, im the better pick" or trying to spread rumours that he's a womanizer. I have to assume that they do it so that female readers understand that the guys are in direct confratation with each other rather than how 2 guys would actually handle it since catty games of social nature are the things that women understand
>>288415893>I have to wonder if she has any male person in her life at all to consult.they don't write that for realism they write that as wish fulfillment for the shoujos reading the slop if someone writes a realistic fight for a girl between two dudes it would just scare the shoujos
>>288415893The men aren't the worst part of shoujo, aside from how they react to love triangle and drama. The female MCs are the worst offenders.
>>288392864>>288392929Zyugoya doesn't seem to give a shit about putting virginity on a pedestal. You can assume Ochiai had sex with her ex-husband at least once, just that it was awful and they probably never did it again
The greatest romance series in manga history was Kodomo no Omocha*drops mic, walks away
>>288418323That's why their works aren't worth reading. I don't know why anon is pretending than a wife never had sex with her husband though.
>>288416547How do men fight over women?>yo, back the fuck off bro>back off bro, she's mine bro>I'll sock you bro, fuck off
>>288384735I can tell that you are a pathetic permavirgin from the fact that you like this trash by the way.
>>288421253and?
>>288420873Can't say for other guys, but lots of men just don't even consider the other man and will just deal directly with the woman. If I ever caught wind of a girl I was with also getting another guy's attention it's instantly over right then and there and I'm gone. Fighting over women is a waste of time because my name isn't Playstation and she can go play games with him.
>>288421256Maybe the opinion of people who never experienced romance in their lives and never will on romance fiction isn't worth much anon.
>>288421361same desu>>288421384so the opinion of people that never killed demons or some shit isn't worth when talking about shonen?
>>288421398correctno shounen is worth talking about
>>288421421Then if you can't talk about anime and manga, why are you on the anime and manga board?
>>288421442That's not what I saidDo try and keep up, will you
>>288421398If we lived in a world where 99% of people regularly killed daemons, the 1% who didn't probably shouldn't be consulted on daemon killing titles no.The difference is that we have nothing better because no one kills daemons, but it isn't just that you're a permavirgin but that I can tell from the simple fact that you like this kind of stuff. [read: it's a garbage title that only completely socially inept freaks who have no conception of how people act and think would like]
>>288421457>>288421458>can't talk about romance manga if you haven't had any romance>can't talk about shonen if you haven't killed any demonAgain, why are you on this board?
>>288421469to talk about the romance written by romantics, and the demon slaying written by demon slayersI just told you to keep up
>>288421458>going out of xir way to write daemonHoly reddit
>>288421469You can talk about whatever you want.I'm just saying your favorite title is shit and appeals only to the most pathetic of gross losers because it's just garbage plotless wish fullfilment and nothing more.>>288421476Based. You can typically easily tell what romance is written by people who actually have experience. Actual spy fiction written by former spies also reads differently to the junk that is James Bond.
>>288421490>>288421476>I'm just saying your favorite title is shitI'm not OP, i'm just calling you a retarded redditor that should go back
>>288421476>to talk about the romance written by romanticsEvery romance is written by romantics>>288421490>You can talk about whatever you want.You just started dilating in this thread saying i can't though?
>>288421518>Every romance is written by romanticsObviously that anon means “someone with actual romantic experience”.>You just started dilating in this thread saying i can't though?No, I just said your opinions and your favorite title is garbage. Doesn't mean you can't give it.Is that really so hard to understand.>>288421505Very well then, I shall then call you permavirgin.
>>288421544>Obviously that anon means “someone with actual romantic experience”.No, that's not what he said. >No, I just said your opinions and your favorite title is garbageNope, you said virgins are not allowed to write romance fiction. Be a man for once in your life bro
That makes no fucking sense.Why are people who try to put others down always so stupid?
>>288421571>not allowed to writeAnd consume or talk about it too i might add>>288421585It's saturday morning and the gay chose to have a meltdown about people talking about romance manga because he thinks it was written by a virgin guy, i don't believe there's much going on for him
>>288421571>Nope, you said virgins are not allowed to write romance fiction. Be a man for once in your life broNo, I never said that anywhere.
>>288421622Embarrassing, with this last (You) i will be accepting your concession.
>>288386780it was better before she got that stupid haircut
>>288421458I'd say Deku was quite an authority on quirks even before getting one
>>288421478>going out of your way to write xirHoly tranny>b-b-but I'm only being ironi-No. You're subconsciously spreading their agenda. Use "he/she" to enforce binary gender.
The guy who call everyone a permavirgin is a local schizo. If you don't know him that's a good thing, it means you aren't as chronically online as he is. I suggest not to engage with him because the loser doesn't have anything better to do with his life than waste your time. Just let the poor creature bump the thread.
How do you all feel about ecchi romcoms where sex is important
>>288423107as long as sex is had and the mc isnt a DONT SUCK MY DICK pussy, alright
>>288423107Sex should be obligatory for any ecchi
>>288423352Agreed. Tagging something ecchi just because of panty flashes and bras is false advertising.
