I was hugely disappointed with the ending of Clannad: After Story. The first 21 episodes of the season are absolutely perfect, and if the show had stuck the landing I would consider it a 10/10 masterpiece. However, magically undoing the death of Ushio and Nagisa erased everything it had been building towards. The suffocating feeling of grief is what Clannad does best, and it's this feeling that had been building throughout the season. Nagisa's death in childbirth is devastating. We see Tomoya dealing with the grief, but by building his relationship with Ushio, he's finally able to feel human again. If the show had been brave enough to let her die (and stay dead) after EVERYTHING they had been through, Clannad would've been one of the most devastatingly stories ever told through anime. But unfortunately, they didn't have the guts to go through with it. Instead not only is Ushio's death magically reversed, so is Nagisa's, erasing all the character development and emotional storytelling we'd experienced up to that point.
you don't get it because you didn't play the game; Nagisa coming back is your reward for collecting all the dragon balls
>>288397217>I didn't pay attentionok
Play the vn
Another one filtered by the Illusionary World
>>288397217It's literally a magic wish Tomoya gets granted after he collects everyone's souls by fucking them in alternate timelines. You wouldn't understand.
>>288397249>>288397355>>288397368Unironically I think all the spiritual/supernatural stuff was unnecessary and Clannad would've worked better as a straightforward story with no souls or magic or any of that shit. The writers strength is clearly in the characters and their relationships, you could have that without all the magic.
>>288397249>>288397330>>288397355If you need to read external explanations just to understand the ending of Clannad, then the anime failed to tell its story properly.
>>288397456you don't tho, OP is just dumb
>>288397442But then how would we save Nagisa
>>288397217>>288397442Watch the movie.
>>288397456>external explanationsThe VN is Clannad, the anime is an external explanation of it
>>288397217The thing that I liked the most of Clannad After Story is the story about the dad and how he ends up forgiving him. It was very touching for me more than anything elseAs well as I loved how is portrayed how everyone goes their own way and they barely see each otherThat transitiok from HS to adult and losing all your friends is very real and touching
>>288397470You don't. Death is a part of life. It sucks, but it's reality. I good story can show that.>>288397480Does it do anything different than the show?
>>288397535Nagisa stays dead.
>>288397217Clannad sucks because they barely even tried to prevent the tragedies they saw coming
>>288397584Good, I should check it out
>>288397535Reality is gay and only bad shows are realistic
>>288397217He didn't play the game, anime doesn't really get the point across as well
>>288397442I think the Fuuko supernatural stuff can stay. It's more like the supernatural episode or the ghost episode in a rather grounded sol show but otherwise that whole timeline/Nagisa coming back thing felt too much like unnecessary and bad writing.
>supernatural illness>get mad that there's a supernatural cure
As someone with a complicated relationship with their dad the episode Tomoya makes peace with his had me sobbing straight through the whole episode desu.
>>288397657If fiction strays too far away from reality, it becomes uninteresting. You can have all the fantasy elements you want, but if it's too different from human experience, it loses meaning.
>DDUUUUUDE ITS EXPALINED ITS A MAGIC WISH HE GEST BECAUSE HE COLLECTED LIGHT BALLZ FROM HELPING THESE OTHER NIGGASJust because something has some bullshit explanation, it doesn't make the writing good. This is still a cop-out ending that negates all the negative developments and drama. I swear vntards are the only people people on Earth with negative IQ.
>>288397442Nah, the supernatural stuff can stay. You can even keep the whole "collect the dragonballs from different timelines to save the day" core conceit of the ending, the whole problem is in the payoff.The story falls apart if Nagisa doesn't stay dead. It runs counter to all the themes of the work and undoing everything that happens to Tomoya and the people around him after her death cheapens that entire section of the story. It doesn't have to be that way, the obvious payoff to the story is simply to save Ushio, to untether her from the wish/curse that tied Nagisa to the town.
>>288397217You're watching otakuslop and expecting WMT tier life drama.
>>288397875Me tooThe scene when he walks away is probably the one whwre i have cried the most in any animeThe entire relationship was very well built up, it wasnt like just a 3 or 4 episode arc
>>288398516Whats WMT
>>288398306The "illness" itself is unfair from the get-go, it has no physical cure, she's frail just because from the perspective of living beings, and this unfairness extends to their daughter as well. And it's not like there aren't magical shenanigans being broadcasted and otherwise hinted at throughout the anime, you're just wanting it to be something it's not. The point is "even if I know this ends in nothing but tragedy, I'm going to dare to hope for a better outcome regardless", not "shit sucks, the end, muh bootstraps".
>>288397217Read the visual novel
>>288397217This is a typical opinion of people who don't pay attention or simply don't understand the story for some reasom. It was repeated many times that the town is a magical entity that grants wishes; Nagisa and Tomoya are connected to it. The protagonist has a difficult life in which his wife dies, and he thinks he should never have met her, that nothing was worthwhile. Hating the town and his life, he meets his daughter and from then on, he becomes happy again. After that, she dies, and when faced with the possible decision, he says that life was indeed worthwhile, character development. All the foreshadowing and magical elements end in the conclusion that the people around you make life worth living, even if they bring you pain and suffering, because happiness is the most important thing. I think it's a good test of media literacy and a clear top anime, although obviously nothing is 10/10.
>>288397442>the story is bad because is not the story I wanted>>288398421what themes? they were stated in the first scene, retard. retard filter ending
>>288399301>The "illness" itself is unfair from the get-go, it has no physical cureWow, like countless diseases in real life!
>>288397217Have you ever wondered what that "magic" was in the first place? Both diegetically and symbolically speaking.It's not because it's a deus ex machina that it has no meaning.
>>288399892>Wow, like countless diseases in real life!No. Any real life illness has a physical cure, it just may be beyond current medicine and technology. This is a mysterious magical frailty of existence, not an illness, there is no physical solution. Again, you're just screaming into the wind wanting this to be the Dark Souls Prepare to Die of anime when it's not that.
>>288399741It shouldn't even require advanced media literacy, just basic reading/listening comprehension.>Nagisa herself is an unnatural wish baby>town is losing its power, and therefore Nagisa and Ushio by extension are as well>Tomoya does the things to regenerate the will of the town, so town grants him a wish as thanksIt's just stubborn insistence on grimdark realism and the story being something it's not.
I will never rewatch Clannad because I know I'll hate it if I watched it today. I loved it when I watched it in 2008.
Why do the orbs filter half the people who watch /read this? The magic is probably one of the best things in it, just look at what happened to the movie when they tried to tell the story while removing the supernatural elements, it was beyond trash.
