>“I AM…LE ANTI HERO, I DONT WANT TO BE SEEN AS A HERO”>saves every island he visitssuch shit writing. Oda wants Luffy to be seen as an anti hero yet refuses to actually make him do extremely morally grey shit
What should he do? Rape a civilian?
>>288415615You didn't get it
>>288415615>struggling to comprehend a story for kidsEmbarrassing, OP.
>Oda wants Luffy to be seen as an anti herosource: anon took a shit in the toilet then looked at it
>>288415615I love people getting mad at their own headcanon.Luffy is such a simple and straightforward character.He's a pirate. Pirates are not heroes. Thus, by his logic, he doesn't want to be seen as a hero.That's it. There's nothing anti about this.By his own code, he does what he wants, which happens to be helping his newly found friends. Despite this he doesn't want to be seen as a hero.
>>288415628Maybe he should steal some shit? Y'know, like a pirate?
>>288415615Luffy has never been a pirate. He's an outlaw.He doesn't want to break the law. He just doesn't want to be bound by it.But this distinction doesn't exist in the One Piece world, so he's called a pirate.
>>288415966>Steals gold from Skypeia (even though they were willing to give them more)>Declares war on the world government>Stages a jailbreak from the most heavily guarded jail in the world
>>288415615He is a criminal, speedreader.
>>288415615Yesh i am watching one piece for the third time now and its really badThere is so much that annoys me about this
>>288416028What is his Crime you speedwatcher
>>288416049Piracy
>>288415615He likes being free. Being bound to being a hero isn't free.
>>288415615Any idea that was introduced post-timeskip isn't canon.
>>288415615an a ti heroic is just a protagonist with umheroic flaws. In luffy's case he's greedy and selfish. In Usopp's case he's a coward and a liar. In Nami's case she's miserly and a thief. Basically anyone that isn't a paragon of virtue is an anti-hero, which is why there's little point discussing it outside of specific gebres and trends where being a paragon of virtue is the norm, like the chivalric literature that Dox Quixote was satirizing, and basically you're fucking stupid.
>>288415615Gave a mayor a concussionDecked a princess in the faceStole from SkypieaDestroyed Enies LobbyReleased tons of dangerous criminals from prisonKicked his friend out of the crew and pretended he couldn't hear him until he apologized for defying his ordersHe's not heroic, he's dumb and selfish, he just habitually befriends good people.
>>288416049He punched a cop.Everything got out of hand after that.
>freed a lot of murderers and rapists>doesn't give a single fuckJean Ango was right
You're presumably an adult analyzing a story for 13 year olds
>>288415615Luffy is a slave to fate. Only question is if Oda will have Luffy acknowledge it or remain in ignorance until the very end.
>>288415615He stole food a few times.
>>288416084The straw hat pirates have never committed a single act of piracy.
>>288415977
>>288416401Got any names of the books Quixote satirized?
>>288415615You're right, Oda is a shit writer, but it won't matter to the hordes of jeets replying to your thread.
>>288418522They think they stole a bunch of gold from Skypiea.
>>288415615It's not about him being anti hero. He's just following Toriyama's example for a protagonist.Luffy and Goku have heroic traits, but they're ultimately driven by selfishness.In the eyes of Japanese author's, especially from that era, that's not a real hero. Just a man.
>>288415615no you fucking idiotthe joke is that of course by any metric luffy is a herobut luffy has a weirdly specific idea of what heroes are and doesn't associate with ithis natural inclination is the pursuit of what he likes, and what he likes is a mix of what he wants and what his friends wantif you took his statement as an earnest desire to avoid good actions you're a fucking clownluffy's entire point is he doesn't give a shit accept when he decides he doesand the people around him that he values all want different things but all conglomerate to wanting what's better for the world by coincidenceif he didn't care about anyone or fell in with different people he'd be entirely different beast
>>288415719source: read the fucking manga
You guys are not ready for One Piece's disappointing ending
>>288419083And where's the "anti hero" in this? Luffy is just being a goof, this isn't Oda not understanding his charactersOP remains gay
>>288415615He just wants to do what he likes. He's not down to living up to the expectations placed on a "Hero", even if he does.
>>288419181in Japan at least being a hero means taking responsibility for others and working for common good. In the west this definition has gotten more flexible.Luffy became a pirate precisely because he wanted to be freed from any responsibilities, which by Japanese standards is not how a hero would act
>>288419215I am aware of this
>>288419181>Luffy is just being a goofwow, what a great argument, that certainly convinced me
>>288419135I cannot wait
>>288418798don't compare TARDffy to Goku please
>>288415615>OP gives away his meatlol lmao even
>>288416033EHHHHHHHHHHH? ANON DOESN'T LIKE ONE PIECE??!>>288418674I'm not Indian, but I am South Asian.
>>288416006Shit from 15-20 years ago
>>288418798>Luffy and Goku have heroic traits, but they're ultimately driven by selfishness.That's basically the template for an anti-hero, kek.
Gear 5 was a mistake
>>288416049Being born
>>288415977There is a distinction, as the group of outlaws in Romance Dawn are outright called "bandits". "Pirates" are outlaws who sail on the seas. That's all there is to it. What you do as a pirate is up to you.
>>288415615The group's backrounds used to be interesting, painting them as misfits turned pirates. Now it all reads like bad D&D OC donut steal characters cringefest.
>>288418798>ultimately driven by selfishnessGoku isn't. He saved Upa's dad by giving away the Dragon Ball he wanted to keep in the first place. He also was fine with dodging Frieza if possible because King Kai told him to
>>288415615>Oda wants Luffy to be seen as an anti heroNo fucking way, every single island Luffy visited ended up in a better state once he did his thing (punching the local vilain in face very hard). He's like the textbook version of an manichean good protag.
>>288419135Oda is the retcon king, and you can't retcon an ending, unless you make a sequel. I'd be very surprised if he manages to not fumble it.
>>288420025You want the asexual MC to suddenly start raping? You want the MC who doesn't run around directly murder civilians to suddenly start doing so? I still think Luffy has killed thousands, so many fucking broken spines and caved in faces should have occurred, but lolOP. Piracy is simply 'fuck the WG'.
>>288417139I'm expecting a 'accept fate' type deal, it aligns with his own desires, which is why the fruit/fate is using him anyway.He's demonstrated 'I fucked up, I'm dead lol' a few times, surviving because fate. So dunno really. We consider him the chosen one, but also a suicidal idiot, who may or may not die before the final final clash. Was Luffy a tool to unfuck Imus rule/catacclysm? Is he part of the problem?
>>288415615Luffy gets tiring really fast, he's one-note and that note being "dude I'm empty brained lmao" but the crew is fun. Then they get shafted hard and it's basically only Luffy that befriends the island's sad princess and saves everyone. One Piece was always formulaic but somehow it gets worse.
>>288416049assault, theft, tax evasion, piracy, murder, animal abuse, assault on minors, arson, destruction of property, kidnapping, breaking and entering, litteringthat's all I can think off of the top of my head, probably others
>>288418798kek holy cope. how was it selfish for Goku to sacrifice himself for Earth countless times? of Luffy to risk death every two weeks for people that just told their sob story half an hour ago? they are mostly One Dimensional, especially Luffy, Goku has instances of actual complexity
>>288415615You're an embarrassment to this whole fucking site, Iphonefag... It's not even funny.
>>288415615I stopped watching after the shit time skip but I don't remember Luffy wanting to be an anti hero
>>288419135I have already accepted that it's going to be dogshit, but at least I am enjoying the current ride and that's good enough for me
>>288421838People don't read Dragon Ball and flanderize Goku based on the anime
>>288415855He's still kid friendly heroic protagonist. So the tc is right.
>>288419083This doesn't mean he's an "anti-hero" retard. It just means he follows his own desires, which often happens to be helping people.
>>288416006>>Steals gold from Skypeia (even though they were willing to give them more)they wanted to gived them anyway so moot point>>Declares war on the world governmentwhich ware potrayed as the villains >>Stages a jailbreak from the most heavily guarded jail in the worldagain marines are bad. no point in the story does oda even not as villains
>>288415615>"I'm not a hero! Heroes share their food!">*Shares food with Wano*What a fraud
>>288415615One Piece is aimed at 15 year old boys.'nuff said
>>288415615Wait til his sekrit drim is revealed, it's gonna be something even dumber.
>>288415719this
Luffy has always been one of the most shallow, underwritten and characterless MCs.
>>288424221>one of the most shallow, underwritten and characterless MCsThat would be Denji
>>288415615To the japanese standing against authority is morally grey (at best) even if said authority is evil incarnate.
>>288416049He declared war on the world govt and physically assaulted a chosenite among other things
