Slavery is okay!
if I can sell myself for money why can't I sell my children for money? they're literally made from me
>>288421142Heimin aren't people
>>288421157He totally has plans and desires to become a complete murderhobo right?Either way I still stand by the idea that the system is fundamentally broken. Kidnap kids, declare them orphans, sell them, profit. Your township is now complicit and always is, everyone has to be totally okay with the idea that 'oops, one or more parents died, better sell my deceased neighbors kids into sex slavery or the mines, cause it's a net benefit for the town', zero worry about what would happen to their own kid, which is often the whole reason why you don't go down this fucking path. Your own offspring will be subject to this shit as well. You'd have peasants trying to kidnap and sell each other into slavery all over the fucking place, and THEN the nobles can basically just do that to you anyway, at any age.How's this place function without everyone effectively being at each others throat?
>>288421234>How's this place function without everyone effectively being at each others throat?Because heimin are bugs before nobles, and nobles are kept in check by the more powerful nobles.
>>288421142As long as it advances you now and you kick the can down the road for someone to do something about it, sure. Myne certainly isn't in any position to change the slave/master system currently at all. Movable type will help in the long run though believe me.
>>288421142No lies detected.
>>288421294Honestly I assumed he'd seen more of her memories.>lol I thought you were just a noble>our views are utterly opposed and it's taken me this fucking long to accept it>I won't just go memory diving again
Stitches.
>>288421157.>said the groomer>to the groomedThey knew exactly what they were doing with theses specific two shots. For those in the know it's hilarious how not "untrue" the implication is.I was in the process of making a jpg meme of it but your short clip is far better.
>>288421157Getting your loliwifes first time is completely moral
>>288421314Isn't that like having sex, he can do it with a commoner but now she's moved up its risky to do it again.
Myne is the most powerful being on the planet I don't understand why she needs to take shit from anyone
>>288421168This counts as a panty shot right?
Yeah fuck this society. Almost everyone around Myne is evil, full stop. Doesn't matter that they're living in "this sort of era". There've been eras in human history where selling children was fine too, but there are always people in those eras that still know perfectly well that it's wrong.
Nuke this society.
>>288421504She isn't, not at this point anyway
>>288421470Isn't he still sitting on the secret she's a re-incarnator (to everyone but daddy)? That he's read her memories and she's crazy high mana level, and a commoner? Even adoptive dad if he knows all this, is effectively using her, the both of them. She can have an accident and it's all covered up.She's a trove of future tech and a massive culture shock. They needed to commit to exploring her past and getting her used to this world far more.
This is going to be on my mind every week.
>>288421541>OUT BY THE ROOTSBased. They know how it's done.
>>288421157MY FUARKING HERO LORD OF EVIL
>>288421234First of all, there simply isn't a huge market for people wanting to buy children in general. Any orphans you cannot sell will just end up being a liability for the town. Secondly, the mayors of these towns are not nobles and do not have the same kind of near absolute power over the citizens. If they act badly enough the townspeople can and will revolt, and likewise pissing off neighbouring towns with something like this would also just lead to war.
>>288421520The more I watch of it and the spoilers I see, the more I kinda want everyone in the setting to fucking burn.>this is fine>it's not happening to me, or my kids, while I'm alive, maybe, maybe>lese majeste is something basic "nobles" can do>suck the gods off enough so they have mana to keep the walls of our 'not desert' at bayMaybe something is really wrong with this planet and gods that needs it to be fucking deleted. Start again, this scenario is broken.
>>288421234I strongly suggest reading the LN. One major flaw of the anime is it brightens everything way up thematically. The LN is actually quite dark but a lot of the subject matter gets glossed over in the anime. I don't know how they are going to depict the Hasse resolution in the Anime as in the LN it's quite graphic.>The reason why the temple (and all temples) carry such prejudice is because they are the defacto brothel for nobility.>Rosemyne being raised in the temple "as an excuse" carries with it the implication that she would have been exposed to such operations>The initial shock and push back of everyone not wanting her to be a grey priest is because grey priests are meant to be the playthings for blue priests and nobles.>it's not so much "Slavery" as feudalism. Peasantry are viewed as owing their existence to nobility. In this world it's OBJECTIVELY true - but the lore behind it comes much later. Not a major spoiler but a spoiler none the lessThe entire kingdom is being held up and is functioning by the mana the nobility pours into their respective region's source(s). There was recently a civil war (not revealed yet in the Anime) that caused a lot of technical issues with succession and the entire kingdom is bleeding mana and making up the difference isn't currently possible. If the mana dries up even the fertility of the land dries up. Everyone will eventually starve and die if nothing changes. There is far more to it but read the LN! - it's worth your time.In addition the Anime is no longer adapting the LN, now they are straight up abridging it to the point of quality degradation. I'd argue it's no longer the same story. What the anime now is is simple "Snapshots" of the story as a whole and it will continue to get worse. The anime is still in the narrow scope of the Light novel but the "narrative world" is eventually going to grow 3 to 4 times the size being depicted currently.
I miss these little inserts so much
>>288421659>>288421621>>288421555>>288421234It's a story that has been written by a female mangaka that has a daddy groomer fetish. It's a good story but always be aware that she wants to fuck her father figure and so she will write a world that enables that.>female Mangaka>writes story about father figure turning lover.>every fucking time.
>>288421712Uuoooaaahh.
>>288421765>It's a story that has been written by a female mangakaDeath of the author. No no. Death of the author. I don't care.
>>288421234Do japanese really go through such lengths just to write about their fetish?
>>288421180I love the "I'm getting scolded again" face.
Last stitch.
>>288421727Same.
>>288421621Very rules for thee but not me. Behave peasant, peasant on peasant abuse is unwanted, we don't care, but rather please don't. To me, the cycle it could create would eat itself. There should be continual class war or at least a 'fuck them, we can hurt them by simply not breeding'.
Grooming Myne into Pol Pot.
>>288421765Nonsense. Myne and Ferdinand are both the author's self-inserts and her preferences are towards characters like Lutz and Fran
are the after credit chibi scenes canon?
teaching honloli how to punish greedy undisciplined pigs!
>>288421972For this season? YeahSome story that they cut goes there
>>288421778Full series deep spoilers, albeit sporadicThe OP of the season has the line "Paint it in your light" the phrase "Paint me in your colors" canonically is a very suggestive phrase in-universe - Which Ferdinand already has done to Myne/Rosemyne. Essentially "Cumming in you magically.""Deep lore" time. Prospective reproductive pairings among nobility need to have roughly the same mana level. When they match in level the prospective father needs to "paint" the mother's mana with his colors/affinities until they align and then they physically can get together to reproduce. Myne isn't actually all colors like the Anime and the early LN imply, she actually has NO color, she is an empty vessel. Her "All colors/affinities actually comes from when Ferdinand invaded her thoughts to see if she was a threat, the process is dying the other person with your affinities just like courtship.This gets revealed in later grander plots as things unfold.At the Academy the equivlent to "going to second or third base" is to let your crush "Dye you a little"A proposal gift from a guy has is a gem with his colors that the girl is supposed to wear against her skin so she can start the process early.But for now, understand Ferdinand literally Magically drugged and roofied Myne to make her magic more vulnerable then proceeded to magically cum in her in a back room with a thought raping device where the first thing he viewed of her memories was her naked in a tub.If you think all of this is just happenstance by accident it actually gets even more in depth in the mechanics and lore.Certain characters later get made fun of because they cannot "magically get it up" enough to be paired with Rosemyne. It becomes a fucking plot point. "mana sense" being able to tell who you are "allowed" to be attracted to or not. etc. The person Rosemyne first senses with this thing that activates at puberty is Ferdinand.
>>288421504Myne most powerful, the fuck you are watching. Nobody like that exists in this world. And if there is anyone you would label as OP it would be Ferdinand. But there is no solo the entire universe type of bs in bookworm
>>288421972yeah, they're quick notes of lore/exposition that got cut from the main story
>>288422005She's learning she can murder just about anyone else who isn't a noble on her level! What a wonderful world!
>>288422040did you skip S1? everyone, including Ferdinand, were at her mercy
>>288422070I did watch S1. I don't get how this is your belief after seeing the trombe hunt is s2. Also crushing making you the most OP, anon seriously.
>>288422035I love my rapist.
>>288421965Honestly, I really enjoy the story. It has amazing world building and fantastic character development. For me at least I've read a lot of literature and if you think this is the first author to inject their fetishes secretly into a work, even meant for children... let me tell you about the rape scene in lord of the flies you never realized was there.The killing of the pig was for all intents and purposes a rape scene, a gang rape scene.But an absolute bonus for me is the fact that the story is so fucking degenerate in plain sight. It's a masterstroke in trolling and secret bean flicking. She's one sick puppy and I can only bow in respect for all the naive rubes that are trying to preserve Myne's innocence.It's like watching a simp who thinks their crush is virginal learning that they have been banging the entirety of the football team all semester long with a goofy look on their face not realizing the faux pas.
>>288422070Ferdinand wasn't really resisting. He has more mana than her, so it wouldn't be an issue.
>>288422182Best guard girl on the left.
>burning an entire town because they want to sell them to noblesdo nobles really?
>>288422040>But there is no solo the entire universe type of bs in bookwormTo be honest, EoS Myne and Gervasio can probably pull that off.
>>288422236>Gervasio can probably pull that off>After his failed attempt to take over Yurgenschmidt, his schtappe was destroyed and will be a prisoner for life.???
>>288422070Ferdinand could probably have defeated her, but didn't because he appreciated that someone with her mana reserves could improve the situation in the temple. He was just better at negotiation than the retarded fat guy bishop.
>>288422260I mean before that happened of course.
>>288422220It's more because they showed signs of rebellion. That was the sin, that they would consider rebelling. The Anime frames it wrong. The emphasis in the LN is that everyone "knows" the white buildings are functionally the property of royalty. The Anime messed up making the "longhouse" look too aristocratic. in the LN it is far more run down and dirty and while I don't recall the precise description while reading I imagined it made with all bare wood and the rest of the town being shoddy houses/huts. The Anime depicts Hesse wrong and as a result, visually there isn't much of a distinction between the monastery and the rest of the town. The only thing white anywhere near Hesse was the Monastery. The rest of the buildings were supposed to be shit.
>>288422276If he was that OP he wouldn't have been fucked like that.
>>288422278I mean... one would expect the people to notice that a huge complete building just spawned out of nowhere and to be naturally cautious when taking action against whoever "spawned" it.
>>288422312You know the circumstances under which he got fucked weren't really a matter of mana or raw power. Ferdinand couldn't do shit against him in a fair fight, even though Gervasio has fuck all in terms of blessings.
>>288422200angelica grade committee later
>>288422236What is this power scaling. Gervasio has more mana than both Ferdinand and Myne, but he can sense them. Myne has a little more than Ferdinand. But either way both myne and Ferdinand are like the average of zent's of the past. Gervasio above average for his capacity. Neither are so OP they can solo anything. If you really want to find someone than look for the gods since they are truly the only powerful beings.
>>288422327Their fight was basically a draw. Neither could really hurt one another. But Ferdinand's scheming is the main reason he is the most dangerous person in the country. Together with his capacity. The gods, dunk's aub, and egg find him scary
>>288422357The thing, with the state of Yurgenschmidt's royalty, they stand far above everyone. Myne solos the sovereignty's knight order, so hypothetically, what could have stopped her if she wanted to take down the entirety Yurg? Nothing, unless the duchies were all able to immediately coordinate in some way and formulate a plan.
>>288422405The only universe where she is capable of that is if she has Ferdinand by her side. You do know that she loses vs Gervasio is Ferdinand dies in Ahrensbach before she can save him. That is the bad end. Myne is a supporter not an actual fighter. You are treating her like Ferdinand.
Rozemyne's first time?!
>>288422433>You do know that she loses vs [the only other guy that was mentioned to be extremely OP]I don't know why you make this kind of argument when he is one of the two I already said could pull off a solo the country type of feat. Non-goddess mana Myne loses against Gervasio because she isn't a fighter, that's correct.
>>288421142Finally time to get Myne's child labor industry in full swing
>>288422405Myne is easily stopped by simply grabbing anyone she cares about and telling her to give up or they will be raped and killed. Done. Myne isn't some OP sociopath. She is a very very mentally vulnerable mana battery... unless you threaten her books. It's harder to believable groom a shrewd person afterall.
>>288422481Myne doesn't have any such people in the past, though. And again, it's just a hypothetical scenario. It's not like the goddess of time would allow her to harm anyone to begin with.
>>288422467But that guy loses to the guy I called the most OP? Which is obviously Ferdinand and always has been. But even he can't solo shit
>>288422454The funny thing is that in THIS instance the Anime is far more suggestive than the source material. The production crew has having a field day with this week's episode and it tells me at least the principle director and story board artist have read the whole series. OP also suggest as much with little hints at deep late story lore/foreshadowing.
She sure got over it quick. What a bloodthirsty little kid.
>>288422547Ferdinand cheated. He couldn't win on his own.
>>288422550Ferdinand does not know yet but he has probably already been mouth raped by the older Rozemyne by this point. They love abusing the younger version of the other. Peak romance.
Why won't the nobles just kill all plebs?
>>288422035Bold of you to tempt an anime only with all that.
>>288422565No one to make comfy chairs and beds, or work the fields for delicious pasta and pastries.
>>288422560How is that cheating? Scheming is literally a part of winning and losing. The fuck are you on about. That is the main reason people consider Ferdinand the most dangerous person in the country. His and Rozemyne's negligent mana difference is irrelevant. And Gervasio large mana capacity, but he is shit at using it.
>>288422570if it's any consolation that whole diatribe is background windowdressing and isn't the main point of the story. Even to stitch it all together you need to reference 5 or 6 different chapters/volumes that aren't directly connected to each other. It's a tapestry that only gets stitched together if you choose to. But it's undeniably there and it's undeniably on purpose by the author.Last volumes spoiler hence why the after the fact desu ex machina ambiguous age up segment so he isn't literally marrying a grade schooler
>>288422625He exploited the one weakness Gervasio had, and that was his medal still being in the Zent's hands. Let's not pretend like this was just some generic scheme and he lost because he slipped on a banana peel. >And Gervasio large mana capacity, but he is shit at using it.That it is factually incorrect. He doesn't have blessings, but his ability to use mana in combat was even above Ferdinand's.
>>288422562NTA, haven't read the "sequel" yet but based on what I got myself spoilt on... does timetraveling Myne actually meet Karstedt's 3rd wife, Rozemary, or even pose as her to begin with?
>>288422558You don't survive as a noble if this is too much to handle.
>>288422670No clue yet, since we are following Hannelore in the fifth year. The sequel is coming after, so we'll know what she did in the past then. We just know she returned and was successful.
Be honest, anon. If you were reincarnated as a noble in this world, you would buy sex slaves.
>>288422405Dunkelfelger would obliterate Myne.
>>288422663You're just strawmanning now. Information is a skill in combat, the one who knows more will likely win. That is why Ferdinand found the loophole and acted upon it.>That it is factually incorrect. He doesn't have blessings, but his ability to use mana in combat was even above Ferdinand's.You are literally just yapping now, all Gervasio did was send big raw mana wave and try to suppress him with his mana. He was absolutely shit at fighting since it was just unrefined mana attacks from his big capacity. Reread that entire fight. He was used to manipulating mana because that is life and death in Lanzaeve. But he had no actual education on how yurgen nobles actually fight, so it was just raw mana attacks.
>>288422858>doubling down>meanwhile, the PoV of the """""most OP""""" guy who """""beat""""" Gervasio.All this text just to talk out of your ass.
>human trafficking and bribery are encouragedI HATE THE NOBILITYI HATE THE NOBILITY
>>288422927>smells like peasant>smells like rebellionI HAVE YOUR BAPTISM MEDAL I HAVE YOUR BAPTISM MEDAL
>>288422887I guess I was larping, I do not remember it being so bad. To me, Gervasio was just being overconfident, and that is what got him in.Either way, I stand behind my point, no character can solo the verse, this mana power scaling makes no sense, when gods are real. And lets talk about why Gervasio was able to get so close in the first place. Yurgen literally offed itself with a civil war. The royal family has like one family, the other surviving members are likely distant family in other duchies that truly have nothing to do with them anymore. They have a traitor in their ranks to no fault of Traqueal, but because of something the previous Zent did. Gerogine also has nothing to do with royals, but Ahrensbach and the country almost got destroyed because of her hatred for Sylvester.
>>288422887Gervasio is "skilled" at brute forcing things with his superior mana, which is almost an oxymoron. He's worse at everything else when it comes to being a noble, which is why Ferdinand knowledge/experience-checked him so hard.
>>288423176Not him but - if we are speaking on broad terms "firstly" the gods are real but in a very arms length sense. They don't seem to care about the survivial of the people or who survives or who rules, that's inconsequential to them. They only care about the preservation of and continued survival of Yurgenschmidt as a land. Citing or referencing the gods is little better than citing gravity.Technically speaking, if the gods were aware of all the facts they would prefer Gervasio and the Lanzaeve nobility too fully usurp and supplant the current nobility of Yurgenshmidt who have become complacent, lazy and relatively weak.I know thematically Gervasio is the "big bad" but that's only from the perspective of, presumably, Rosemyne's interests/the reader's point of view, that and "our" sense of "invader = bad guy"The story told to the gods about the situation was very specifically framed and curated.
>>288422467But he failed? So on what basis is he capable of that?
>>288421921Take a good look at real life.
>>288423350He BARELY failed and had only one point of very narrow vulnerability that Ferdinand barely exploited in time. He failed on a "Technicality".If he were friendly non antagnoistic and wanted the best for Rosemyne, Ferdidnand and the current people of Yurgenschmidt, he'd be an ideal Zent, one that, if his intentions were 100% true and Ferdinand could 100% confirm would likely embrace and engineer to come to fruition at great effort. He's technically the "perfect option" they were looking for if their their ideals aligned and the respect and protectiveness was as much local as foreign.It's simply because he's painted with the villain aura brush that the reader is prompted to view him that way, but objectively speaking, outside of personal allegiances and interests on the "Rosemyne's view of the world" level he was ideal as a Zent, more than ideal. Technically speaking he was deus ex machina levels of ideal. Hell, one could argue that in the long run Yurgenshmidt might have been better off with him if parties could have negotiated and come to terms more calmly. It wouldn't have taken much at all. Correct me if I'm forgetting something, but what would have been the issue with Gervasio marrying into the royal family - presuming his attitude and the "bad guy aura" checkbox were switched off?
>>288422070Ferdinand chose to not protect himself to show that he meant no harm.
>>288423332>>288423451Eglantine explains why the Lanzenavians wouldn't be better.>Erwaermen did as instructed, and the rest of his paralysis faded. “Hmm... Indeed, I can move again. I am shocked that Quinta came here with such dangerous weapons.”>“It was Gervasio who brought them into Yurgenschmidt,” I reported. “He used the poison on Ahrensbach and Sovereign nobles. But rather than paralyze them, it turned them into feystones in an instant.”>“I agree that it was dangerous—psychotic, even—for Lord Ferdinand to use instant-death poison against you, but he is right that we could not allow Gervasio to become the Zent. Yurgenschmidt would have seen chaos and war on an unprecedented scale.”>“So those are the circumstances of the world of men...” Erwaermen said.Basically the Lanzenavians are even more ruthless than the existing royal family and see everyone else just as feystones/sources of mana. They purged Ahrensbach so hard that the entire duchy would've collapsed if it wasn't for Myne using her goddess mana to save it.
>>288423451>what would have been the issueMyne can feel his mana aura and ferd isn't going to have any of that
>>288421765Didn't know Usagi Drop had female author but it doesn't surprise me at all.
>>288423332I am not denying that. After all, Ferdinand understood that the entire time, and that is why he won. My point is entirely about this solo-ed-the-verse nonsense that is clearly not possible in that world. Ferdinand is the most capable character in that world. But even he would be unable to usurp the royal family simply for not having enough backing to overthrow them and rule.The same way Gervasio has a big capacity. But the only reason he got so far, is because he had help from Georgine(whose entire agenda was Ehrenfest) and Raublut whose entire agenda was revenge to the royal family for the princess he was supposed to marry. It is disrespectful to bookworm's world to claim this dumb isekai tropes of soloing the verse.
So when does the Bookworm finally Ascend? 3 seasons in and she's still some runt.
>>288423507I get those points but they all fall under the "antagonist" brush. As far as "human resources" go that was an adaptation to living beyond the border, the mindset was. Correct me if I'm wrong but it was either that or extinction?Doesn't the need for that barbarity vanish once inside Yurgenshmidt?to use an analogy"The Bedouins are killing each other over water"Sam Kinison: "Move them to where the water is."https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K44DriPrLUkEglantine's was just assertions. I'm not insisting this should be the way of things but on a structural level I don't see the incompatibility.
>>288423583Anon we're like 9/32 volumes right now.
>>288421252This Urano seems a lot cuter than before
Caught up with the manga of part 4.Seeing Anastasius getting cucked by Myne was so funny.Now I want to see some Rozemine x Egglantine yuri...
>>288421142>Argues in defense of selling children and briberyUhhh based??
>>288421157Nah we all know how it would really go
>unwittingly participated in slavery
>>288423583Soft non huge spoiler that I'd personally be fine with reading myself in your situationThere are reasons for it and she eventually grows and relatively soon she learns why she is still a runt and starts the process to fix that, although it will be some time yet. The story is actually better this way as her lack of growth is explored on many levels to some great narrative depth, impact and payoff.
>>288421279>I'm leaving!>Slams Racoon Door
>>288423451I don't see your logic, no matter how you spin it, he lost. So in canon, he clearly is not strong enough to accomplish that, no matter how unfair his defeat was. A loser is a loser.You're assuming a whole lot about him from one single pov chapter. Lanzaeve has shown how they see nobles only as batteries. So sorry, Egg's point of view on why they would be bad is a lot more believable to me than your cope.
>>288423602>"It was only natural that we Yurgenschmidt nobles felt wary of the Lanzenavians, who had resorted to such lethal means without hesitation."Do you think it's possible to peacefully coexist with people who will instantly kill you without negotiating? Lanzenave's cutthroat culture is fundamentally incompatible with Yurgensmidt's. This is something that would've required multiple generations of genuine attempts at assimilation to fix, but the current generation is evil and they've already antagonized everyone.
>>288423682How did he lose? Do you remember?He got caught between two gates with no way out because of timing.That's like saying Bruce Wayne wouldn't make a good mayor because you locked him in a bank vault.
soup!?
is this show gud?
>>288423812Modus opperandi of the nobility is to ash nuke an entire village of hundreds because 7 people hit a shield.I wasn't speaking on a moral framework as morality is subjective.The gods themselves believe so as they had no qualms about Their respective actionskidnapping, mind wiping and body swapping Myne functionally against her willSo it's only a matter of who is doing to who, not what is being done.
>>288423881Either watch it or don't! Make your own opinion!
>>288423881The first two seasons are a good onboarding primer for the principle story.Season 3 and all seasons going forward aren't nearly as good as the LN as they have been cutting more and more of the story. It's no longer an adaptation at this point and more a video summary that's missing anywhere between 1/3rd and 2/3rds of context and what's going on. And it will only get "worse" from here if Season 3 is anything to go on.The light novel is popular for a reason, it's an amazing work that you should look into getting into if the first two seasons of the anime entertain you.
>>288423833He lost the moment the gods accepted the bet. From that moment on, there were only two options. He either loses his divine will or he turns to stone to die. Anastasius and potentially Ferdinand would get the divine punishment for breaking the rules, but that is it.He lost, it is what it is.
>>288423891Commoners aren't people. Purely from a religious viewpoint, Gervasio is more capable than the current royal family, but his political incompatibility means countless nobles will die. Even the royal family realizes how badly the civil war and purge fucked up the country. An even more ruthless royal family starting another one would be the nail in the coffin.
Maybe we should just kill wilfried?
>>288423977I wasn't speaking politicallyI very specifically meant from the perspective of the gods.Politically and as far as human vs human, yeah, he was a piece of shit, but that wasn't the thought exercise. Ideally -from the interests of the GODS - he is ideal - and the framing of his misdeeds omitted the local Yurgenshmidt's failings.Narratively, from the human level I'm glad he lost of course, but the aregument that he'd be a bad zent doesn't hold water. He would be a bad zent for CURRENT nobility, but Nobles are to the zent as peasants are to nobility.It's inconsistent to make exceptions if we are arguing from the perspective and interests of Gods who could care less either way and only care about results.
>>288424038The point is that the two are connected. Killing nobles is against the wishes of the gods, not because killing is morally wrong but because the country will turn to sand if they lose any more nobles.
>>288424038And I forgot this point.Buy the Royal family is scum upon scum. all of them are horrible, present and past. The current crisis was a stead stacking of more control over legacy literally because of growing incompetence.It got so bad because the royal family harnessed more and more control/centralized power to compensate for their incompetence because they didn't want to compete openly. Which was against the intention of the gods and how the system was set up in the first place.I get the story, as part of the resolution rectified that - But ironically had Rosemyne not been there with her very specific set of quirks, viewpoints and power THE ONLY SOLUTION would have been to let Gervasio do his thing, no, it would have been the inevitable end point. Unless Ferdidnand himself became Zent, (he wouldn't he likely would have died before then). Only reason why Gervasio didn't end up the only option is because Rosemyne existed.
>>288424140>all of them are horrible, present and pastTo be fair, the present royals didn't even know that there was a "true" path to becoming Zent. Trauerqual was quick to concede the throne to either Ferdinand or Myne when he found out.
Myne armpits! prpr
>>288424140You really sound like a Gervasio fanboy. I don't think the royal family is angels or anything. But didn't the book openly say that the reason for its creation was well-intentioned at first, because zent successions were bloody. Obviously it was pretty arrogant to expect your descendants won't lose their way eventually. But this propaganda of all royals = bad is crazy since you are trying to present Gervasio and Lanzeve in a positive light. Also, nope, without Rozemyne, Gervasio does not know anything about how to get the book. So Yurgen is likely gonna turn into sand, if Rozemyne is not there. Gervasio is never the only option at any point, the most likely thing is a reweave by the gods or something.
>>288421508pantaloon shot
I bet Myne will not get as much shit as other isekai MCs for not trying to end slavery.
Its all forgiven as long as she's kind to them
>>288421796Yeah. Unsurprisingly many of them start their drawing careers making hentai
>>288424415Those people that pretend to be upset never actually watch the shows. They just want the attention.
>>288424378I'm actually not. As a whole I'm happy with the story, how it concluded, nearly everything.It's just a thought experiment and so far no one has refuted the proposition without either using "He got locked in a bank vault" as a reason why he'd be a bad mayor or because he was a "bad guy" says the rapist murdering coercive blackmailer. Kidnapping, forced marriage, rape, constant coercion, blackmail, threats to life, threats to life of family. That's just some of what Rosemyne has to personally deal with from the people who are on "her side." Not her enemies, not antagonists, her "allies." And that's fine, that's how the world is crafted and painted. It's an interesting world.It's just comical when readers then point at Gervasio with a finger filled with righteous indignation and cry "immoral."I'm saying "instead of selectively stripping away some morals, strip away all morals and interests and only think about the interests of the gods - what would be the ideal? What would achieve the best end results?" And I don't see the problem with Gervasio taking over, bringing his people, purging the REBELLION (good for the goose, good for the gander) and settling with the rest of the useful locals if the purpose is optimal results as it pertains to the gods.That's the thought exercise and so far all refutations have either been "but he got locked in a bank vault with Bruce Wayne therefore he'd be a shit mayor"or"He's a bad guy, he kills innocent people"Said by the people defending those who regularly kill innocent people
peasants aren't real, they're just parasites that leech off the world shaping creation of the nobility.
>>288423611It's funnier because she use goddess of light not goddess of water
>>288423583Her prayers to Anwachs will finally be heard in like 20 more volumes.
Thoughts on the singer for second ed?
>>288424564I refuted you right here but you ignored it >>288424077The current royal family is religiously incompetent but are at least trying to keep the country intact. Lanzenave killed half the nobles of an already collapsing Ahrensbach because "they weren't on our side lol". Killing all your opposition is politically bad AND religiously bad because the country relies on mana to exist. Gervasio's violent invasion is what would make him a terrible Zent. He is prioritizing his own people over Yurgenschmidt's when the country already has a severe noble shortage.
>>288424675I didn't ignore it. An image I posted got banned for not being anime related, no idea which. The reply got hiccuped so I had to start over while juggling other replies. Give me a sec.An invasion that would be bringing in NEW noble blood. As per the world and story mana rates have been dropping and the recent civil war did far more damage than Gerivasio's invasion did.It's also hilarious to cry "no more killing" as a justification after Yurgenschmidt own brutal civil war. So it's a new rule? No more purges, no more killing? Did the gods say so? Neat Does Gerivasio know? If told would he agree? Likely. Again, this is that finger of righteous indignation covered in blood (civil war) pointing at in an invader and saying "no more killing, killing is bad."I get he's painted as the "bad" option but it's mainly from the "he's against us" perspective, not the "he's incompetent" perspective. Yurgenschmidt has been failing due to incompetence, not because of murders of nobility. If the ZENT existed there wouldn't be as many issues, and if the ZENT had a shit ton of mana themselves there would be even fewer issues. - as it concerns the gods. Also, unless they are full of shit nobility would instantly fall in line and obey if he became ZENT, at least that's what the story heavily implies during Rosemyne's altar walking arc. And if they are full of shit and actually wouldn't follow whoever became zent then all the more reason to purge them. Why? Because nothing would get fixed if the same rot continues.Mind you I'm playing devils advocate a bit and speaking in broad strokes.It comes down to how much of the story, in this "what if" is impacted by political machinations and how much of it is based on the "rules" we've already been told. Like instant obeying of the true Zent.I didn't mean for your response to get skipped.
>>288424889Lanzenave barely has anyone with mana but that's besides the point. Gervasio is a bad Zent candidate because he's doing all this killing before the country has even recovered from the previous civil war. It's not a matter of whataboutism or who caused more deaths. A good Zent would prioritize the well-being of the country. Gervasio prioritizes his Lanzenave supporters while killing thousands of nobles in the process.
Myne anal
>>288425211Imagine the funny sounds she makes
>>288425263bweh
>>288421142I'm dumb but where do these kids that they sell in hasse come from anyway? You can't tell me people in that town are having kids, raising them and then selling giving them to the mayor so they are sold right? And there are way too many for them to be orphans
>>288421504Anon, don't you remember?Myne died months ago. You need to accept these things.
>>288421142>The most Ferdinand has smiled is over planning to plot against otherAre we the baddies?
>>288421157Most honest smile right there
>>288425770The only two things that can make Ferdinand smile genuinely are Myne and the suffering of commoners.
>>288424889Not that guy but Gerivasio already let his own country go to shit, and there's no guarantee he won't bring his problems with him. The gary stu with his infinite wikipedia wisdom also said that he's not the nice guy he seems, so that's probably the case.It's possible that he'd make a good king, but that'd require a whole load of what if's to happen.Bottom line he's an invading foreigner and getting suddenly conquered would be nothing but a de-merit for the MC side, so they fought him off.
>>288425770There are only 2 kinds of people, those who play the great game and those who are played by it.
>>288425923>Not that guy but Gerivasio already let his own country go to shitThat has to be dumbest and most baseless take I've read so far. Lanzenave was a doomed project from the start. Their system with the adalgisa villa was total shit but it was the best they could negotiate with Yurg. The reality is Yurg nobles aren't supposed to run an exclave this way. He didn't letting anything go to shit, but is in fact making necessary steps because he knows they have no future otherwise.
>>288421157>the blooming flower imagery right afterThey knew what they were doing alright
>>288425991It might have been a stupid idea from the get go, but they didn't spend all those centuries treated like cattle until lately.
>>288421436I’ve liked his noble hairstyle better
>>288421712Cute pink
>>288422558Lutz just showed her to view it the glass half full way. She’s not throwing pressure on and ultimately killing a guy that slighted them and tried to defy them, she’s saving the village and creating a more stable life for everyone else and the economy.
>>288422927Saved them all from dying in Winter, and who wouldn’t want to be bribed honestly?
>>288425211!
>>288421720he will finally fucking die next week
>>288421727Myne just wants to ride a pizzacart, not supplant factions and scheme the deaths of others.
>>288421532>The migraine squint
>>288426570>just wants to read books>gets isekai'd into medieval world>as a peasant>nobles control everything>luck out somehow and become a noble>have to do all that stupid noble shit>have to plot and scheme>still can't read books I need that webm of Hal trying to fix a light bulb
>>288426684like half of the books' text was just descriptions of people shikamering their komekamis, so it's a necessary shot.
Wow. This completely drags the whole show down to like 6/10 for me.I can't root for MCs anymore when they are legitimately bad fucking people. Not even in a "justified anti-hero" way either, they're just fucking bad.Is this that "pivot" in the writing that everyone kept talking about? I haven't read spoilers but many people here says it takes a certain turn and then spirals down ever since. I'm guessing this has got to be it. What a shame man, this sucks.
>>288426823>many people here says it takes a certain turn and then spirals down ever sinceNo one has claimed that ever. People who prefer P1 to anything after are contrarians that make up only a small percentage of readers.
>>288421504>Myneliterally who?
>>288426823Go be a little bitch somewhere elseHad enough of your kind during Overlord threads.
>>288426823It certainly does take a certain turn from part 2 to part 3(this season) onwards from good to great. Part 3, 4, 5 are just amazing
>>288421694>There was recently a civil war (not revealed yet in the Animethought Benno talked about this in like, season 1? when he was coaching Myne on how to best sell herself to the temple.
>>288426887
>>2884270181 was great, including all further crafting scenes around paper and printing.2 was decent, 3 was very comfy, 4 was fun, 5 i don't feel i need to comment on itt.
>>288427148Tuly looks crosseyed
>>288422035pretty much, but it does bear mentioning that Ferdinand's full dying of her was an accident caused by the mana crystals that formed in her body from all the times she almost died. normally the dying would pass shortly after the mind reading, but Ferdinand's mana got stored in her mana crystals and so she basically lived with one of those "engagement gifts" in her heart for most of the story.
>>288427176>4 was funIt was better than anything from p1 and you know it. The crafting part is nothing that made the series stand out from other isekai, but the politics and the world building did.
>>288426953Oh were you one of those obnoxious faggots always desperately trying to defend what Ainz and friends were doing as being justified instead of just accepting an evil MC as being... evil?
>>288421520Slavery was normal for the vast majority of human history and practiced by virtually every major civilization. It's only fairly recently it's become "evil" rather than a brutal fact of life. Ironically, slavery is still widely practiced in many places that claim to have abolished it, like the United States.
>>288426953>>288427530>anon correctly identifies the overlord natives moralfagSasuga
>>288427532And there have been people in every one of those eras that knew full well how evil slavery was. There's no excuse for Ferdinand and the rest to be fine with slavery just because they were raised in such an environment.
>>288427212That it wasn't intentional should be self evident even to anime onlies as the context has already been revealed - what hasn't been revealed is that the only one ignorant to any of the connotations of what was "accidentally" going on was Rosemyne. Ferdinand, the god of his academy years in competency would fully be aware, crystals or not. The only thing I'd give him is that he wouldn't be aware that she is an empty vessel due to her death/rebirth at the beginning of the story. Beyond that all the innuendo and connotation are well within his scope of knowledge. He knows, he just doesn't care. Same with the protection accessories, he knows, he just doesn't care about what other people think. So there is some subtext to him constantly "knowing" but "pretending to not care" - as his personality is revealed to Rosemyne and the reader in later and later volumes - He is more likely "not caring" as a form of lying to himself and "not knowing" is never and option.It's fine, It's a fun little puzzle between the lines. But as a reader you aren't supposed to be ignorant to it. The intended reader's knowledge/point of view and interpretation is roughly supposed to be the same as the "all knowing Elvira" What Elvira interprets as the reality of what's going on the author intends for the reader to adopt and the two character (Ferdidnand and Rosemyne) get to play two oblivious would-bes. The Book series Elvira is writing is supposed to a small message board from the author to the readers in-universe telling the audience "view this this way as this is my intention." If that and the "bait and switch" excerpt trick at the final Italian Restaurant dinner/goodbye wasn't a bright enough neon sign to say "yes, this is happening and yes you are supposed to pay attention from this point of view." Then I have no idea what to tell you as a reader. (not addressing you specifically, just readers in general)
Mayne-sama...
>>288427585>And there have been people in every one of those eras that knew full well how evil slavery wasOnly in the west and maybe in Asia.A lot of regions would not have stopped if not for the west.
>>288422035Oh, I don't watch the OP, didn't noticed that there was a fucking reference to sex between Myne and Ferdinand there!>>288422035>The person Rosemyne first senses with this thing that activates at puberty is Ferdinand.You're wrong here, Ferdinand was NOT the first. It was another person and "in public", there was witness from at least four (and another kingdom) different Duchies.
>>288427585>>And there have been people in every one of those eras that knew full well how evil slavery was.No not really. You might have the odd philosopher or somebody saying it's bad, but there'd be far more idealists insisting slavery was a part of the natural order. And it was. Most slaves before the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade were prisoners of war, and their status wasn't necessarily for life. Rome, for example, had a whole class of citizens known as "Freedmen", because they were former slaves who earned their manumission through work. They even had a holiday celebrating freedmen, and it was common during other major celebrations for some slaves to be granted manumission as an act of charity. Of course, the Romans did also use slaves for extremely hard labor, on rural plantations or toiling in mines, but when 20% of your population is slaves, there's going to be a lot of variety in their employment and status. Some slaves were positively pampered and lived better lives than most citizens.
>>288427180Lack of book reading will do that to a person.
>>288427666>We don't even have a class systemLol lmao even
>>288422260>???And yet, with only his bare hand and days without eating and drinking he killed some of the strongest Royal Knights. >>288422040>But there is no solo the entire universe type of bs in bookwormIt can, if a person has the right knowledge and tools.Actually... it's a bit disappointing to know that, to know that author really did this, but in the current "sequel spinoff" Myne does exactly this.Myne isn't the strongest that can be in that Kindgom, but she currently is. Soon no one will be able to have children with her.
>>288427693And the only reason the west stopped was because the industrial revolution and fossil fuels replaced physical labor.Without fossil fuels slavery would be as ubiquitous today as it had been for most of human history.>>288427666>shut it down>>288426823let me ask. if you had the option to take someone as a slave who would otherwise die, would you?>>288426724The Anime cuts a lot out unfortunately. In the LNs she reads fairly regularly. Sometimes there are spans where she is too buys/banned but at other times she reads a significant amount and compared to how she started she has more than achieved her initial goals.A story where she literally does nothing but read wouldn't be a very compelling story.Small vague spoilerAt one point it's her very specific task to read which she adoresdon't worry, the dog gets its day.
>>288427885>Soon no one will be able to have children with her.Based Ferdinand cutting off the manalets' hopes for good.
>>288427905you're overreplying
>>288427693Not even the west actually stopped, they just forbid chattel slavery and slave trading. The US, for example, uses its massive prison population as slave labor, which is something the 13th amendment specifically made an exemption for when it abolished slavery in the United States. They don't come out and call it slave labor, but by the Amendment's own wording, it is.
>>288427885Wtf are you talking about? In the spinoff she goes to the past with the help of the gods. Not through her own power. And she literally can have kids with Ferdinand. Like what is this headcanon you keep spewing.
>>288427812Comparing roman slavery to this child sex slavery bullshit is quite something.
>>288422858>>288422887Reminder that we have Gervasio's POV and he didn't fight seriously with Ferdinand until the end, instead trying to convert him to his side.
>>288427790It's a blink and you miss it scene, it comes before we the reader learn what mana sense is. It's the scene where she notices Ferdinand's mana feels the same as hers when she is checking for traps and being taught for the first time to spread out her mana in her Catherdral study - iirc. If there is a time before this I don't remember it. IIRC the scene she notes that she cannot sense anyone else's mana. And we learn later to even be able to sense someone else's personal mana on them they have to be close to your level and the only one close to Rosemynes until she meets royalty is Ferdidnands. The purpose was to search for forign mana on a trap/object, but she "incidentally" "magically checked Ferdinand out."If I missed something correct me. I don't recall who you are referring to before this scene.
>>288427964Romans also had child sex slaves, as many accounts of Roman emperors can attest to. Slavery in this series actually seems a lot less prevalent than in Roman society, with most of the commoner population being free people, compared to Rome having about a fifth of its population as slaves. But considering that even free commoners live very hard lives, without even the limited protections of Rome's plebeian free people, the nobility probably don't see a very large distinction between a free commoner and a slave. They could easily turn one into the other on a whim.
>ferdinand will never teach you how to scheme against and destroy your enemies
>>288428034She sensed Gervasio in the middle of battle when he was heading out of garden of beginnings. Ferdinand's mana was too similar. Thanks to the dying by the gods her mana is not the same so from that point on she can sense him.
>>288427905I figured she must be reading in the meantime by now.
>>288428034No, that wasn't mana sensing. She literally couldn't sense Ferdinand's mana until the goddess dyed her organ because Ferdinand's mana was too much like hers. This is canon.
>>288428096Yeah, she sensed Ferdinand volumes before then. She very specifically sensed that it was similar and mentally remarked on it. This was happening during the raid to get her key/bible. Found it. Part 4 Volume 9 "missing book"
>>288428363Anon this is not mana sensing. What she feels is the fact that their mana is completely synchronized but it's fundamentally the same kind of detection as with the other people there.
>>288427948The Qatar World Cup 2022 also showed that most normalfags don't actually give a fuck about slavery.
>>288428527Yeah, I used the US as an example cause it's not a country you think of for modern day slavery, but in the mid-east they just straight up keep practicing it openly.
>>288421142She was super retarded this episode...
>>288427530How can justice be evil, it can't.
>>288429473She's just ignorant about the new society she lives in because nobody's really sat down to explain it to her. She comes across as so intelligent ordinarily, it didn't occur to anybody she knows basically nothing about their society. Her own lack of interest beyond what she needs to make books isn't helping matters, but really, Ferdinand should've realized sooner that Myne is shockingly ignorant about how things work in that world.
>>288429764She is an educated retard which makes her seem smart on occasion compared to people with no education, but she has always been retarded.
>>288429808Myne is clever and insightful, she's just not used to having power or society-level responsibility. She comes across as a highly educated noble (Ferdinand said as much) but has none of the social background such a person would have even in our own world, let alone theirs, which is far more stratified and ruthless.
>>288429861Her not seeking out the missing information on her own is a great example, how is that supposed to be clever? Do you not understand the difference between intelligence and knowledge?
>all these spoilersoh no....whats next? trombos are actually sex toys? blessings are squirting? and she doesn't actually do any kind of political coup detats?
they are not gonna adapt the whole thing are they? where are they gonna end the series i wonder.
>>288430047For this season? They're clearly doing the entirety of P3. As for the rest? Never say never. I'm sure we will at least get half of P4. Can't have the adaptation end before getting to hogwarts.
>>288429958>Do you not understand the difference between intelligence and knowledge?An ironic thing to say, since you are conflating ignorance with stupidity. Myne's already demonstrated her cleverness many times, just in her resourcefulness and ability to apply her knowledge in creative ways to her own benefit. Myne's main flaw has always been her monomania, her obsessive fixation on books. Why would she devote time to learning trivia that was outside her special interest, if it didn't immediately advance her personal goals regarding books? She only ever learned what she needed to about her current society to get by. She only knew the basics of how to deal with nobles as a commoner, but never had anybody teach her how to be a noble because it wasn't relevant to either her life as a commoner or her ambitions regarding books.And it was never her plan to become a noble, and once that change in status happened Ferdinand took over her education to prepare her for life as a noble. This mostly covered things like etiquette as the daughter of the Archduke, and important rituals as High Bishop, because he fell into the same trap as everybody else, in assuming that she was more generally knowledgeable than she was, about society. But at what point should she have started "seeking out missing information"? It wouldn't have ever occurred to her before she became a noble, and after, she would have just assumed that Ferdinand and her other tutors were giving her all the important stuff. Why would she assume that they were omitting extremely important, fundamental things? She'd have no reason to believe this.
>>288430135I made no such conflation, I am saying this isn't how a clever person behaves.>She only ever get learnedThat explains it, I apologize for talking to you about things that are above your level.
>>288424004at the very least he shouldve sent to jail alongside his grandma, that way a lot of shit wouldve been solved but syslver is too much of pussy when it comes to wilfredim glad that charlote offcially became the next aub she deserved it
>>288428527because the wc was actually good, the people who actually went to qatar for the wc mostly had good experiences, specially if you compared to other wcs, shit whouldve been different if the wc had been a total failure but that wasnt the case, tourist literally had no real reason to btich about it, so in short the logic is >slavery good or dont care as long as the work the slaves are doing is good or beneftial
>>288430047>they are not gonna adapt the whole thing are they?I would not be so sure. If there is an isekai with a likely chance of getting a full adaptation, it's Bookworm(MT maybe the other one). After all, the publisher being TOBooks and Bookworm being its flagship series certainly makes a full adaptation a real possibility.If Bookworm was Kadokawa, I would agree with you, since some other series would be more popular. And they have so many lns to choose from. While TOBooks have made like maybe 2-3 other lns adaptations, none are close to Bookworm in popularity. Bookworm's merch also does well since it is mainly adults reading this.
>>288430067I'm glad they seem like they want to do p4 since the schtappe cave was the one thing I wanted adapted. That and the lord of winter which we're getting too, though I'll try not to get my hopes up for the animation budget for it.
>>288430420Rayearth already got a full adaptation slowpoke.
>>288430494Sorry I am not ancient, never heard of that shit.
>>288430372Anon, the slavery thing was known years before the WC even started with multiples reports from various official organizations, including the UN themselves and in the months before the actual start of the WC, several countries, including major players like Germany, threatened to boycott the whole thing.Only one country actually did it and it was a literally who country.No one actually knew at the time if the WC was going to be good but millions of people from all over the world still went there.It gets even funnier when the WC properly started: the medias and politicians of my country who were virtue signalling about how slavery is bad memoryholed the whole thing and started shilling LGBT rights instead, and our minister even filmed herself smugling a LGBT flag and tshirt into the country while ignoring entirely the slave issue during the whole event despite threatening to not come in the months before the event.So yeah, LGBT is clearly more important than slavery at least in my country, I don't know if it's the same in yours.
>>288430559I intentionally picked something old to make my point, a ton of other things have too.
>>288425500>10-15 kids is too many orphans for a town + all the surround farming villages, that we were told in todays episode encompasses thousands of commoners
>>288421142Oh my god this was an excellent episodeAm i correct in thinking they are collating the plot threads together? In the novels I think this Hasse stuff was interspliced with the Wilfried stuff
>>288427532there are far more slaves in america now than before it was 'abolished', hilariously enoughwe also have the largest population of slaves in the world, in that our prison system has the most prisoners of any country, and prisoners in the USA are legally still slaves
>>288430714so this is the famed land of freedom...
>>288421142In prehistoric times, slavery was a step up from the previous norm which was complete obliteration of enemy malesAlso we already see a form of slavery in season 2 in the form of the Rozemyne workshop. It will certainly be eventually considered outdated and immoral
>>288430570yeah I know a lot of kunts were saying that they were gonna boycot the wc for many reasons but for the most part they didnt do shit, like you said once the wc started they put all the bad propaganda aside because they were focusing on the games and whatnot, still my point was that you didnt see people being as annoying about slavery, lgbtvhd, etc as they used during and after the wc ended because the wc was actually good, and althought the conversaiont started because of slavery, all the hosts of the world cups have to deal with heir citizens doing protest and similart stuff prior and sometimes during the wcs, see brazil for example and currently mexico
>>288430602Aren't those tons of other stories before the isekai boom, cause I for sure can't remember a lot getting a full adaptation in the last 10-15 years.
>>288430459don't forget anon, we have Wit animating this season, so its very likely that the lord of winter is extremely sakuga
>>288430770You can't fully adapt something that isn't finished, and big surprise here the older stuff is more likely to be finished.
>>288430294he was basically going to be jailed until rozemyne stepped in and defended him right? extremely funny that he flips over to liking her/ferdinand a lot because of this and then because he has fucking horrible retainers slowly reverts back to a fucking retard>second parthas that been confirmed anywhere? I haven't read any of the hannelore stuff yet, but from what I was imagining at the end of series malchior is set up very well to be an extremely powerful high bisoph/aub combo, no?
Hannelore has terrible taste in men.
>>288424415Nah stuff for girls get those critics too. Sugar apple fairy tale is all about it and the best any of those master slave relationships can get (excluding the main one) is a fairy who knows where his organs are being kept and simply won't fetch them because he's content
>>288421555ferdinand doesn't seem to care about earthmaybe because it has no magic>>288421461aren't these plots hilariously small? They are like 2 acre at most and their strips are of varying length. Are the bigger serious plots that everyone uses, further from the settlements?Also I find it odd how the plots are constrained by the roads rather than vice versa. Wouldn't the plots have come first?>>288421482wow this one's composition looks terrible. Maybe it's the inhumanly long torso/arm.I'm surprised how young the mayor is. I assumed he'd have a few grey hairs and wrinkles.>>288421514cute I'm surprised they gave the responsibility of serving Bezewanst to a girl. Maybe it reduces the tension? I think Effa did that too.>>288422070it doesn't matter how much mana you have if your core combat abilities suck. You could easily speedblitz the tactically-slow Myne and damage her frail body.
>>288430917yeah she should've gone for her half little brother
>>288430863>has that been confirmed anywhere? yes read the spinoff
>>288426570i can't deny that is cute
>>288421777this is incredibly plain. Wtf are elvira and florencia doing. She basically looks like an attendant>>288422035omg what were they thinking with that line T_T>>288427212even temporary dyeing is scandalous>>288422236nah that would require like logarithmic power scaling where they are like 100x stronger than the next most powerful people. Plus they aren't experienced combatants.The top thousand archknights could take them out.
baka the subs are still using the head priest/high priest translation.>>288422319fair I'm not sure the townspeople would even know about it>>288422560fraudinand>>288422565Later on in this season, there will be another noble who comments on the situation. They state that one or two towns can be purged, but that it would be troublesome to lose 10% of the populace, lamenting the deathtoll of pandemics specifically.>>288423451true tis sad we couldn't have lanzebros hanging out>>288423507I think this is more due to Lanzenavians being able to make those and being untrustworthy because they have that capability.>>288423583she's got Lessy now to compensate for her height>>288423881it's a nice project management story with a heavy emphasis on society/cultural norms. The MC's main challenge is to achieve her goals whilst operating within that context (and fix any mistakes that arise from violating norms)
>>288425923>Not that guy but Gerivasio already let his own country go to shitIsn't it the opposite? Lanzenave has thrived so much that the people were able to spend enough time to advance technology, including anti-mana tech.Gervasio is suffering from being such a good ruler that he made himself redundant.>>288427229nta but nah man the micromanaging of resources and time and money in part 1 was great. Myne and Lutz would be spending weeks figuring out how to get a spare metal pot. Myne thinking on her feet when interacting with Benno for the first few times was great.Early part 1 is the only time in the story where Myne cannot access or solicit the overdog. After that she's with Benno (2nd richest merchant), Ferdinand, Sylvester, Royal familyNot to say part 4 is worse, just that part 1 brings some stuff that part 4 doesn't.>>288427530Although I'm fine with AofB, I can't stand the premise of Overlord>>288427905I think they could create comedy by briefly showing her leisurely reading at precisely the right time. Maybe just before an eyecatch>>288429808eh nah myne is competent. She has the right mindset/instincts for managing employees. (For example she makes sure to set them work)An educated retard couldn't be a decent administrator, especially in another world.Myne is just uncurious.
>>288430694to expand I'm really glad they've given Hasse this much time to breatheHowever I wonder if we're falling behind pacing-wise.
>>288431998>set them work I'm noticing that only idiots are taking offense with the idea that someone is an idiot.
How many times do you need Ferdinand to scold her for being an idiot before you realize he is serious.
>>288432410I always assume he means basically everything he says.
>>288421504The mind crush she uses has a backlash and she'll kill herself with it before she inflicts any severe damage herself.
Is myne asexual? Just remember she is an adult and don't show any sign of attraction or sex dessires.
>>288432601no
man this season will have the craziest cliffhanger
>>288431051>she is known to be the Ehrenfest's next aub until Melchior comes of age.So this is only in the case that sylvester steps down for some reason before melchior is an adult? With how young sylvester is I don't see that happening
>>288432847it will probably end with a post credits stinger of her waking up and ferdinand saying 'its been 2 years', just like how last season ended with the first scene of this season, Rozemyne in the carriage on the way to Karstedt's home
>>288427666
>>288427532>slavery is still widely practiced in many places that claim to have abolished it, like the United States.You're one of those morons, are you?
I knew Closed-eyes Mark was always scheming
GODDAMN I want to pinch those soft cheeks.
>>288430917>>288431027"Ortwin offered himself on a silver platter, and she let him slip away.
>>288433793they're not for you silvester
>>288433793myne has a scolding fetish, ferdinand has a cheek pinching fetish
>>288421142I'm so happy the anime is good now.
>>288421461Rows should be as long as possible so the oxen don't need to make many turns. Nobody would farm like that. Plots would be long and narrow and rectangular only.
>>288434302i wanted to say they might not even have draft animals, but they clearly have carts.
>>288421142>Slavery is okay!meh.... it's not like slavery every disappeared in modern day. We just call is wage slave these days.
I love Ferdinand.
>>288434462we know, elvira
>>288434380Wage slavery is not actually a species in the genus of slavery.Here it isn being used as a term of exageration
>>288434366Even without draft animals, you would still organize your rows to be as long as possible. It saves a ton of time even if you just are using human labor.Having a bunch of random angles and grass lawns is also really strange. Crop rotation is a thing, and using some kind of cover crop is fine, but that's clearly not what they're doing here. Also why are there trees in some of the plots? You'd chop those down and rip out the roots. The most basic thing in the world is clearing your land before you make it a farm. Do they not know that crops need sunlight?That looks completely haphazard without anyone even attempting to make it look like real farmland. A farmer is going to prepare and improve the land as much as possible, and plan out each plot to be as efficient as possible.
>>288434544in normandy (just a place i remember from all the ww2 games) they often had hedges to break up wind between fields, and trees do help break up the downsides of monoculture; but i guess those trees were just put in in random spots after they drew farmland
>>288434132Ferdinand is literally me!
>>288421142English subtitles with LN-terms.https://gofile.io/d/deRZmQ
Why wasn't the old high bishop held to the same standards as Roze in terms of doing his goddam job instead of diddling orphans all day
>>288434380Slavery, the real kind not your made up commie bullshit kind, still exists all over the place.
>>288434672Because his older sister, the Archduke's mother and the one with highest political capital, was backing him.
Are they speed runing the story?It seems they skipped the period where Wilfried was at the temple and Rozemyne was doing nothing.
>>288434709Next episode.
>>288434615Bocage, yeah. And it's certainly useful. Also attracts birds that eat pests and such. But that's at the edges of fields, not inside them. And hedgerows are kept low enough not to shade the fields. They definitely just threw in some random trees wherever because they don't understand even the most basic things in farming.
>>288434672he wasn't a noble
>>288434709>speed runingyes>skipped the period where Wilfriedno
>>288433793Quit squeezing her cheeks!
One thing I've always wondered is why Rozemyne is being marketed as a "saint" for uplifting the orphans in a society where there is no such concept of charity and alms for the needy being a positive, let alone godly act. If anything by their standards her behaviour should net her the title of clown of ehrenfest.
>>288434820I think they still believe in charity, but it’s also visible that Myne is getting good labor out of this too. She’s just treating them well which the past guy didn’t do, and probably better than most would bother to.
For all the complaints about the pacing I just looked up the light novel chapters, and the first 6 episodes of the season were part 3 vol 1, only ep 7 and 8 so far have been part 3 vol 2, and theyve covered 6 out of 17 chapters (+2 side chapters). At the pace they're going, they won't be able to adapt all of part 3, we've only got ~16 episodes left. They're either going to have to cut some stuff or pick up the pacing for a couple of the volumes by an episode or so
>>288434898actually thinking about it, they did a pretty significant cut in this episode, basically all the stuff about the orphans and how they're adapting to the new environment was cut into a 'oh her speech is better' and a 'im happy my sister cant be stolen'They'll need to do a good chunk of those, I could see the winter socializing being a part where they cut and only show the interactions with hartmut and brunhilde + philine
>>288434820I view it like someone taking care of strays. A kind act.As for the Saint stuff... while the commoners may truly believe it, the nobles probably just think of it like flattery for the archduke's adopted daughter. At first, anyway. Later on they will realize she's the real thing, in more than one way.
>>288434820it's not just about the compassion for the orphans, that's just an aspect that they market. They're presenting her as a legitimate 'chosen by the gods' saintess, an actual religious figure in a world where magic and blessings do actually exist but religious aspects have been largely thrown to the way side
>>288434971That's later.They're still building that up with her throwing large blessings left and right.
>>288434898I hope they just add 2 more cours than trying to ram it all into 2 cours somehow.
> Just finished reading the defense of Ehrenfest bits of part 5 > mfw Sylvester would have been easily killed by Georgine if he hadn't just happened to have left the foundation room for a few minutes as he mistakenly thought the battle was overHoly shit, his luck is insane. I'd be fucking seething if I were Georgine too.
>>288435467his family (other than Georgine) is blessed by Greifenchan, the Goddess of Luck
>>288434672Because he wasn't a noble, so no one really gave a shit about him.They're trying to give Rozemyne a position of actual importance in noble society. Her being the adoptive daughter of an aub is a BIG deal, so she needs to be basically perfect in the eyes of the public in order to not completely tank her and Sylvesters reputations.
can't wait until they start jumping even more h*imins into nobility
One of these days, I want there to just be some sort of blood-sick "kill every noblefag" isekai where the protagonist is a sadistic Chekist who goes around hunting down nobles and ex-richfagsI know the Nips won't do that because they have a rococo fetish and don't like money
>>288434820'helping people' is still a known concept, its just seen as wholly unnecessary for commoners/orphans who, to nobles, are no different than stray cats. Her being almost detrimentally kind to others and being so averse to violence and death are just PART of the saint persona, when coupled with the fact that they make up ways for those she saves to be productive and useful to society rather than just killing everyone off is what makes her really amazing (aside from her crazy blessing powers)
>>288435602And no I don't mean the "evil" noblesI mean all of themHis love interest is probably an impoverished teenage countess he likes but he abuses her as a worthless slave-girl anyway
>>288435612that's too much to read being approving of the MC. not that it's necessary, but i do end up liking morally commendable MCs more.kaiser reinhart's abolition plus an oberstein in the shadows doing little but precise bloodshd is the most tactful way of going about it i've seen in anime.
>>288435612Like why make every single isekai "rah rah rah the nobility is so evil and corrupt and arrogant, they're all so superior and you're supposed to hate them except for the cute noble girlfriend who loves the loser MC" if they're never going to pay it off with a based Jacobin animeDo I need to fly over to Nihon and oil up my bitchslapping hand again
>>288421142I only watched S1 but didn't she have a bunch of child slaves making paper for her?
>>288435689yes she did, what about them?
>>288421694they're just rushing this season because they want to reach howards and desu more power to them, part 3 only good sections are when collecting the mats for the juvere and the end.
>>288435689now she has four more
>>288435712>>288434898 they're not really rushing, they took 6 episodes to adapt 1 volume so far, which is on the longer side no?
>>288435689It was either they make paper or they subsist on scraps in a dungeon while rolling around in their own filth. Myne couldn't do anything more for them than that.
>>288435746'on the longer side' are the various scenes they made shallow or a 6 second panning shot with a brief narration. as is about what, 40% of dialogue they're cutting?
just a scrap of what they left out from your eppy, anons.
>>288421142Unironically yes. Slavery helps uplift the lower classes who can be uplifted while keeping those who offer no other benefit from ruining everything. The only problem with slavery in history was it was based on race rather than merit.
>>288436289you should mean ethnicity/nationality
>>288421712Cute Main undies
>>288431206> even temporary dyeing is scandalousEspecially considering she's underage + he technically did the dyeing without her permission. Could've maybe made a case for Ferdie not knowing about her mana clumps being perma-dyed + it being necessary to read her memories and figure out if she was a threat, but it doesn't change the fact that he's basically magically sexed up an 8 year old.
>>288423602> Doesn't the need for that barbarity vanish once inside Yurgenshmidt?Not really. Gervasio was the only real 'moderate' one among those who came to Yurgenshmidt, because he genuinely just wanted to live there. But Leonzio and most of the others still had the Lanzenavian mindset that the nobles of this land were only worth keeping as feystones, and wouldn't remotely hesitate to kill and harvest them. As long as the 'royals' of Lanzenave got to live happily and be treated like gods, they don't give a shit what happens to the rest of the magic users in Yurgenshmidt.
How does Rozemyne respond without sounding mad? (Hint: Not the way she did.)
>>288436713Learn the alphabet already, faggot.
>>288431998Was it specifically Gervasio's rule that led to such advances in non-magic tech? Seems like all the Lanzenavian royal family actually did was keep the ivory buildings intact, which, as Ferdinand states, isn't really that vital to their city anymore since they've built out so much past that.Seems as though technology had just been steadily improving the whole time, and with or without the royals support, it would've reached a point where the regular populace didn't really need mana users to be in charge anymore. Only real question IMO is how much feystones factor into how their society runs, as they were the main thing that the majority of merchants wanted in Lanzenave, we just don't know what they were really used for.
>>288431998I'd say it balances out since while we do lose Myne having to scrape by as the underdog, she conversely has to learn how to function as someone with a LOT of influence/political power in a society she still barely understands. Part 3 is full of shit like that, even though its mainly focused on the absolute shit-show of Hasse and Rozemynes awful misunderstanding of her actions there.
>>288432601Nah, she's just so autistic for books and bad at socializing that romance never really factored in well in her life. Doesn't help that most of the people she interacts with are either married, or children (by her POV), or Ferdinand, who she see's more as a bickering-platonic-family way rather than a romantic interest, at least until the later bits of part 5 where he actively starts courting her + everyone points out how obviously close they are.She's just kinda shit at noticing these things, but the author said that Rozemyne does properly grow to reciprocate Ferdinands feelings in time, and we see bits of that progress in Hannelore's spin off too.
>>288432796Anyone got a link to this chapter/volume? I can't find it anywhere, even in JP.
>>288436890I mean, it should be more or less the same as the WN:https://ncode.syosetu.com/n4750dy/53/
>>288436713>You’re Father calls me daughter
>>288433793
>>288421142Now that Myne has seen the true face of the system, in how many episodes can we expect the revolution to start?
>>288421142Every isekai ever>Oh wow some mud in the floor all those savage isekaijins are bathing on better take my clothes off and jump
It's been 100 years and someone has yet to prove him wrong.
>>288437128Never ever. Myne already came to the understanding that she can't take responsibility for every poor bastard she comes across, and if she IS gonna help someone, she needs to make it worthwhile for her or those around her. As we saw with her idea to use Taue fruits to help identify those with the devouring/keep them from dying, its just not feasible on a larger scale + bad actors would absolutely take advantage of it. Also even without all of that, commoners are completely reliant on nobles to be able to live. Without them the land will become barren and lifeless and they'll all starve to death.
>>288437314>bro we need the rich to live I swear
>>288435467He's a luckCHAD and sex fiend rolled into one. He's based
>>288437343go into the white desert alone. take whatever tools you may think you need and can stuff into one horse cart, and report back in 2 years.
>>288437358imagine being a teen wizard and finding out you specifically got divine protections from the fucking sex god, wild.
>>288437343In this world, you do. You'll get to see first hand why as well, enjoy.
>>288437468He was not a teenager, though. He only got it after Myne encouraged everyone to redo the ceremony.
>>288437343Which VARIETY of rich are we talking? Which is a level of distinction you stupid socialist niggers refuse to think in.
>>288437494ah right, he only got it on the second try.how much was he banging florencia for that to happen without him intentionally going for it?
>>288437508maybe he was a prejac and prayed for more stamina, or they weren't having any and he prayed for something to happen.
> Reading the volume 10 prologue of P5> The end line of Detlindes POV being "She would never again awake happy."Brutal. Fuck this dumb cunt
>>288437549>Fuck this dumb cuntNever stick your dick in crazy.
>>288437128Go watch some other cookie-cutter power fantasy isekai if you're looking for something like that. Honzuki isn't it.
>>288437616Is there even a revolution isekai? At most you have some that create their own nations and call it a day.
>>288433793Puhi
>>288437749drifters and chou yoyuu
>>288430294Pretty sure that's only if no son is born until it's time for Sylvester to retire.
>>288437783I know Drifters and I highly doubt that count, if anything Jesus Christ side are the ones doing some sort of revolution.
>>288437749WataOshi has a revolution arc (after the anime ends).
I could 1v1 Myne with or without magic helping her.
>>288437912*mana crushes u
>>288437912you'd get crushed like Fey and shit yourself when she pulls out her water gun
>>288437912pew
I've been saying that the nobles are evil forever and you guys were like "nah mang you dumb" but now this episode was "Well DUH Nobles are Evil: The Episode", I will no longer believe you guys.
>>288438083so you count how many heimins you exploited? do you also count how many loaves of bread you've had in your life?
>>288438083is the mayor also evil?
>>288438131A mayor is also a kind of noble.
what is this h... babbling on about? >>288438167
>>288438083Nah man you are dumb.
>>288422823Peasant onaholes. What they gonna do anyway? Revolt?
Does anyone remember when this used to be about reading books?
>>288438653The path to being able to read books comfortably is a long and treacherous one.
>>288437128theres no revolution, its the system that will ''break in'' Rozemyne, like it does to most adults IRL
>>288421504Incorrect. She can't effectively use magic at this point and Ferdinand is still stronger and considerably more competent.
>>288421504wrong, erwaermen mogs her
>>288438747that's a god...
>>288427212Incorrect.
>>288438763former
>>288437749Meikyuu Black Company
>>288438874Uuuhhh wasn't this guy more evil than the upper echelon doe...
>>288434302yeah and on top of that you'd want strips to be of equal length so there would be fewer disputes over who gets responsibility over which strip
>>288439030In the end working conditions under him became better.
>>288421234>How's this place function without everyone effectively being at each others throat?it doesn't its a medieval societythey haven't even invented books yet and are already struggling with with their equivalent of climate change if it wasn't for motosu urano's inventions id say their world would've been pmuch doomed.>>288437314people need magicians not nobles. the way their society is currently set up is a disastrous vicious cycle of peasants having enough of nobility BS and nobility becoming even more despotic and dictatorial because of it. nobility know that 1 or 2 civil wars can basically end their world yet they keep being arrogant assholes who think nothing of genocide
>>288439089>nobility know that 1 or 2 civil wars can basically end their world yet they keep being arrogant assholes who think nothing of genocideCivil wars between nobles, yes. Commoners can't do shit and their opinions are irrelevant.
>>288434820I think there's also an element of rozemyne 'civilising' the orphans.>>288435602that would be based>>288436736fair, there is a lack of information. Maybe the merchants only care about feystones because that's the only thing Yurg can export at a competitive rate? This is a rather biased reading of it I concede.>>288436802oh absolutely
>>288437128Myne is not ambitious or witty enough to even do a revolution. Even at the end of the series she still doesn't have the wit to pull it offHowever I'm sure the policies she implements in her lifetime will narrow the gap between nobles and commoners so it's closer to Illgner rather than Groschel. It may also narrow the gaps within the nobility.Actually, hmmm. Currently meritocracy is used to look down on the laynobles who have less access to instruments and tutors. When Myne makes this more equitable, will the nobility just switch to a more blatant form of discrimination and abandon the veneer of meritocracy?
>>288439123hence why their world was doomed. invention of books will bring in some wisdom into their world and maybe their society will stabilize a little.
>>288439183I don't know what you mean by meritocracy when the main reason that laynobles suffer is their lack of mana. They need to spend tons of money on magic tools just to be able to absorb their divine will and don't have the same output as scholars as an archnoble, and are obviously weaker than mednoble or archnoble knights 99% of the time. General education and deskwork are only a very minor part of noble society.
>>288437749That MC's region in Release that Witch absorbs the parent nation. Not quite revolution though.>>288439237true>>288439222not if they purge the librarians again
>>288438083If it weren't for nobles the world would be pure chaos. Did you see those plebs banging on the building despite their friends getting zapped? Yeah, pure oonga boonga mentality. Besides, a lady noble with big tits is way better than a commoner woman with big tits.
>>288439396if it weren't for nobles their world would've been just a better version of ours since gods actually exist down there.
>>288439410Yeah, and those gods cannot commune with or bless anyone who doesn't have mana, nor would they care to.
>>288435602Most revenge isekai are basically that and more.
>>288438061That's a strong water gun.
>>288437498"Anyone with more than me is rich."That's their definition.That's always been their definition.
>>288439428>that retro fanfic where Fran's pray to gods despite knowing his prayer will never be heard
>>288435467Luck is literally one of his divine blessings.
Why doesn't Myne just imagine a nuke to wipe the filthy nobles from this earth? She could imagine mustard gas too.
>>288440136If you want Rozemyne to actually fighting 'offensively', just pray that the author write an SS that take place in the timeline where Ferdinand died before she arrived.
>>288437549I used to feel sorry for her knowing her mother set her up to fail, but she was still a cunt.
>>288440136No nobles means no country, no country means good and nice commoners are also die.
>>288439410Lol, no. Yurg literally exists because one of the gods felt guilty about what happened to another, so he descended to earth, blessed a tribe with magic so they could power yurg's foundation, keep the god alive and prevent another god from stealing all the mana. Without the nobles, yurg disappears and all that's left is manaless savages scraping by in a desert.
>>288440136Serious answer:It's not explicitly stated but there is an upper-bound limit to the power/impact she can produce in any one of her spells. It comes up from time to time in fights.Also, from what I recall general chemical compositions and reactions outside the major affinities associated with the gods aren't possible. If she were to imagine "mustatard gas" and she knew the actual chemical composition, if something were to manifest it would just be a general cloud of mana.Small generalist spoiler:There is an arc or two where she and a few others specifically research the inner "physics" workings of magic, magic paper, dye and how they relate to affinities. In the end what you can do with magic in this world is actually quite limited. Myne's imagination and what it generates is limited to form and some function but composition, chemical composition is out of her hands.There is an additional addendum to power levels in magic but that's directly tied to the tools of the gods and so function is limited to a pre-determined form that Myne has no input on. In the story these tools are viewed as the pinnacle of refined magical power. There is no mustard gas cape.Major generalist spoiler on the aforementioned tools, Do not read if you are interested in discovery through the story on your own:The strongest of the tools, offensively, defensively or in Utility border on the lines of blasphemous and forbidden as their existence greatly disturbs the current power balance both politically and martially. To use them is a great political risk and if Myne were to go murder hobo with them the world would band together against her rather quickly and she would lose. She's powerful but vulnerable and she's not omnipotent. 3 top nobles who were serious about killing her could likely manage it on their own. A squad of of knights if their orders were to take her down would have little problem doing so.
>>288440257People with mana exist before Erwaermen descended, they're literally Ewigeliebe and Geduldh's children.Erwaermen rebelled when Ewigeliebe about to kill Mestionora, then (probably) after putting the seal in place and renouncing his divinity, he saw people (mana-users) hiding inside white building to escape Ewigeliebe's wrath, then he decided to build a place for them in Yogurtland....I think it's in one of WN's SS chapters.
>>288440183Would Ehrenfest even exist in such a timeline?
>>288434672I dont think anyone had real expectations from the temple beyond make sure there's a harvest next year. The prestige of the church has waned significantly(to everyone's detriment).
>>288440331No, it's a doomed timeline because Rozemyne will die and since she immediately went to kill Gervasio from the start, Ehrenfest had to deal with Georgine and co. alone.
>>288436713Toss the little shit in the tower
>>288440331NTA but good point, one I wanted to make myselfIf Ferdinand were dead/not in the picture Myne would either have died according to the Frieda's suggested timeline after she gifts her the ring or she would be discovered in time and become a noble's second wife/mistress/plaything. but considering how much mana Myne actually has she wouldn't match with anyone in Ehrenfest so I'm not sure if a lower/middle noble would want her.Technically speaking Myne's survival is directly tied to her matriculation into noble society, without that she dies a half a dozen different ways with time.Presuming no written in luck. One thing I always thought was underdeveloped in the story was the Tau fruit use. If Myne figured out Tau fruit could stand in for magic draining she might be able to get along just being an unsung commoner, maybe a merchant's wife. But.Myne would be on a massive clock anyway as Ferdinand seemed to be the only person with the aptitude and knowledge to treat her condition. So she likely wouldn't have recovered from her crippled underdeveloped state. There wouldn't be a lot of options for her.As for Ehrenfest, as we learn later, it and the surrounding territories are in a state of severe decline. Without Ferdinand you likely do not get Myne to help out and without both Ehrenfest falls to every single plot set against it., again, unless "another plot is purposely written in.
>>288440406Without Ferdinand, Sylvester dies from overwork since there's no one he can push his work on to.Ironically, Willffried is probably better raised in this timeline since he would see his father work his ass off everyday.
>>288440456I think he would be forced to take a 2nd wife much earlier and there would be very little pressure from the outside for them to give up their human/mana resources. Ferdinand being there and later "the saint" gets used as an excuse as to why Ehrenfest should be stripped of some of its bounty politically. Without that bounty the argument falls on deaf ears and Ehrenfest is views no different than the rest of the bottom half of territories. The Georgina plots would do more damage though and sylvester would be especially vulnerable to intrigue.But this is all a pretty extreme shift in timeline, one that removes the foundational core point of the story being told. "What would Star Wars be like without Luke and Darth Vader?"
>>288436713just ignore itI'm surprised how techy Myne is acting lately
>>288440331Does Ehrenfest's fate even matter if the country is guaranteed to collapse without Myne and Ferdinand?
>>288440598I would like to think someone would at least figure out that the Royals' foundation isn't the country's foundation.
>>288435467>luckshitted past all her traps>overpowered her thanks to being born a maleShe'll be seething forever in hell
>>288440596It's been a while but I recall the tone in the LN being different, possibly because of internal monologues. In either case her delivery/retorts weren't bratty. She didn't stoop to his level which frustrated him more. I think the Anime is thematically changing the dynamic to match Myne's visual design and presumed age and also to give a more dramatic performance for the voice actress to work with. The tone between the Anime and the books keep departing from each other.
>>288437749The original Underwater Ray Romano's first arc is about overthrowing the existing rulership and establishing the new nation of Tsukuru.
Now that I think about it, the fertliser mana of nobles reminds me of hydraulic agrarian societies (egypt, iran, india, china) where farmers relied on centralised irrigation (which the state controlled), as opposed to europe where the farmers could just use the rain. (Some hypothesise that this is why Europe came out to be more libertarian and individualistic than these other cultures.)I suppose that makes Bookworm sort of like a mix of both of these cultures? Bookworm is pretty bureaucratic. I wonder where the European facets appear. Makes me excited to read more history. I wonder if Kazuki has disclosed all the books she read when planning Bookworm.
>>288438167nonobles have mana and have graduated from the royal academy, if you do not fit both those criteria you are not a noble
>>288440617Maybe Gervasio would've if he had gotten the Grutrissheit in time, but its hard to say what he would've prioritized if he was alone.
>>288440406Wouldn't Myne have still been brought into the temple? Probably just a bit more forcefully than in the actual story, and as a grey shrine maiden rather than a blue priestess. Honestly I figure she probably would've just died from lack of oversight for her condition (even Ferdinand didn't know how bad it was in the beginning which led to her fainting a bunch just while doing blue priestess work)
>>288442366>Also learning that she never even told Sylvester about WHY she hated him was nuts, even when he was begging her with tears in his eyes to just fucking communicate with him and tell him what the problem was she stayed silent. Just baffling levels of spite going on there.That's actually smart and realistic writing for a female character.>I'm angry>Here is a solution>I don't want a solution I want to be angryAs much as it's a meme it's also true.It's one of the chief differences between the sexes. Men are goals and object oriented and women are emotion and people oriented. When a man talks about his problems he's generally looking for a solution.When a woman talks about her problems she is generally looking for sympathy.Georgina wasn't looking for a solution or a resolution to the conflict, she was looking for an outlet for her emotional state.
>>288440189Eh, she went through six whole years of schooling at the royal academy, socializing with those who were much more knowledgeable and worldly than her, but she still didn't learn a single speck of common sense or political skill. Plus she was still psychopathic enough that she was happy to drug a literal child and have her 'accidentally' murder her mentor, bitch was probably just born wrong.
>>288440693it could also be explained in the next episode that this is how wilfried's view of things was, because of how he currently feels about rozemyne
>>288435467>>288437358 luckchad and fuckchad [/spioler]
Is Ferdinand able to sense Mynes mana when they meet or is she too young at that point?
>>288443268Too young. Mana sensing doesn't work unless both parties have it, and you only get it when you reach puberty.
>>288427532>Slavery was normal for the vast majority of human historynot the way you're thinking>and practiced by virtually every major civilization.that's absolutely not true
>>288427812>No not really. You might have the odd philosopher or somebody saying it's bad, but there'd be far more idealists insisting slavery was a part of the natural order.hey when you don't actually know what you're talking about, it's okay to shut the fuck up
>>288441372holy fuck you absolute moron, are you seriously spouting shit from Wittfogel's Oriental Despotism like a fucking dumbass?This thread is embarassing, please stop thinking you're smart, you're a little bitch
>>288443661wait that line of reasoning is not credible? I didn't read that specific book
>>288437314>Myne already came to the understanding that she can't take responsibility for every poor bastard she comes acrossOh so this is the reason her common sense as a noble is so fucked up later on. Instead of saving the country, all she cares about are the people closest to her.
>>288443841i think she already came to believing that in japanI think Myne's desire to save the mayor is more trying to avoid doing harm rather than save large swathes of peopleIf you aren't hurt because of Myne and you aren't known to Myne personally, she won't care about your suffering
>>288443841That's always been the only non-book thing she's cared about the most. Basically every major character in the cast points it out at least once that, while Rozemyne is charitable and kind, her main focus is always moreso on those she loves and considers family. She's literally stated outright that she's willing to fight anyone in Yurgenshmidt, as well as the gods themselves, when it comes to protecting the ones she loves. That being said, her general charity aside from that is not only a result of her skewed views, but also, as I said, the fact that she literally cannot enact big sweeping changes like that to help people because A) who's gonna pay the ludicrous amount of money it'd cost to finance? B) who's gonna enforce/support those changes? and C) who's gonna stop malicious actors (of which there are many) who would use her 'charity' and pervert its true purpose for their own desires/profit. Those same people very well may also just have Rozemyne assassinated to get her out of the way.
Fuck me, why do these episodes feel so short? I need more. Also, this whole situation with the mayor could have been a whole arc, but it's ending next episode wtf?I'm going to pick up the manga. Which version should I go with? Some guy keeps saying there are like 10 adaptations or something. which one is the furthest along, the best adapted, or just the longest? Help sourcefags.
>>288445474relax the hasse story line isn't going anywherewe still need to see hasse's immediate reaction and then the mayor's commeuppancepeople say that there are multiple manga adpatations because the each part is roughly getting adapted in parallel with different artists, however it's all still part of the same propertyso just go with the part 3 manga
>>288445474It's not ending next ep. Also, the different adaptations are for different parts, and this season is adapting part 3. Though the anime has skipped some stuff and will possibly do it later, so start from chapter 1. Or just go to the light novel which is finished.
>>288445474They decided on spreading rumors through merchants so there's nothing for them to do but wait.Myne is super busy so you won't see a fast-forward to the resolution like you do in many works.
>>288434302>as long as possibleas long as a team of oxen can plow before needing rest.There is even a unit of measure, 1 furlong (furrow length) is around 200 m.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FurlongSo yeah, you would expect the strips of land to be around 200 m long.
>>288446132how long were rows on fully horse plowed farms?
what happens when the magic contract is broken? does the offender die death note style or what?
>>288447095They get dusted, yeah. But it probably depends on the contract. Not all of them are instant death I imagine.
>>288447180i mean have we seen what happens when a contract is broken in books?
>>288447095>>288447236
So this is the jump the shark moment of this series huh.
>>288448183For commieschizos? Definitely.
>>288448183does she even invent any new things from this point on? she pmuch has invented everything needed for full color mass produced book printing no?>she invents censorship
This is why Bookworm has the best isekai worldbuilding. Clash of moral frameworks is always enjoyable to me, particularly when it's rooted in practicality rather than, "Gentlemen, to EVIL!"However their entire noble class should still be executed.
>>288448438she puts le sweets on le noble tables, which gets her wide approval at tea parties (very serious business).the thing that most moves the average noble will be the kids' bible so the kids remember gods at hogwarts, the sweets (they likely won't remember how big her contribution was, sweets will just get revolved) and some select fashion trends.sad but true. crafting peaked with the presses, and crafting hype peaked around metal letters.
>>288448623I don't even know how you could ever blame nobles. The entire system has inequality fundamentally built into it. They have no reason to believe people should be treated equally because they literally aren't equals.
>>288448623what clash? myne pmuch just said "OK ill do it Ferdinand" and thats it. however i agree culture shock that myne constantly experiences is fun>>288448797they are driving themselves into an agricultural collapse
>>288448797>They have no reason tothey have the same nervous system so they would definitely feel pain when hurting and exploiting heimins if they didn't muffle it down with delusion of grandeur, by using some comparative emapthy.
>>288448875>they are driving themselves into an agricultural collapseHow? The original founders of Yurgenschmidt had nothing but themselves and their mana. They can take care of themselves. And even in an extreme case where they couldn't, the gods would intervene because it's in their interest that Ewigeliebe's seal remains intact. This is all just pure commie fantasies, I'm afraid.
>>288448933by being assholes of course> They can take care of themselveswhen? they are already struggling
>>288448984Their struggles are not an agricultural problem. Their main problem is that they have no real king.
>>288448875>myne pmuch just said "OK ill do it Ferdinand" and thats itShe didn't like it but she had to weigh the consequences of her action against one corrupt noble and his henchmen versus the children she wanted to protect and the potential for an entire damn town being burned to the ground for guilt by association.It's better than, "Slavery is legal here? Welp, time to build my harem, woot!" at least.
>>288448886Most heimin have decent lives.
>>288448886Rights are determined by what people can create, not by what suffering they bring to the world.
>>288448875>agricultural collapsethe best way to accelerate that would be to execute the nobles
>>288449214yeah so why are nobles executing each other?
>>288449135>opinion sold in objective tone sure anon sure.>>288449096yeah ehrenfest seems like a normal city. it's at the rare interfaces of noble and commoner that they do whatever the hell they want, buy slaves, rape for sex education, keep as mana batteries and what not.magic contracts are also a huge concession.
>>288449284>do whatever the hell they want, buy slaves, rape for sex educationAre you implying that heimin wouldn't do the same if given the chance despite numerous historical examples IRL that show that they totally would?
>>288448623im not into isekais so i dont know how others compare but>multistory buildings (out of wood mind you) but no sewage system.>can build a whole fucking complex building with just some gold dust but cant do printing press/>magic contracts exist but wars and civil conflicts are still happening>trombos are in universe nukes but no one uses them as such?and so on.... it seems like the entire world-building in this - like in most fiction - simply exists for authors convenience
>>288449348No, anon. Without nobles, commoners would live in perfect harmony. They definitely wouldn't have classes of their own based on how much money they have or something.
>>288449423All of your questions are covered for by the novels.
>>288449423> Multistory buildings (out of wood mind you) but no sewage system.there is a reason for this but its a spoiler>can build a whole fucking complex building with just some gold dust but cant do printing press/firstly that gold dust is not cheap and its created with blue prints of that complex building, on what basis would they even imagine something like a printing press>magic contracts exist but wars and civil conflicts are still happeningyou need to both parties to agree for a contract, and for the civil war you have no real information on it at this point, hell all you know is what a commoner like Benno knows.>trombos are in universe nukes but no one uses them as such?They are not nukes, they are darkness feybeast. Again in the story there is an example of somone using a darkness feybeast for something, but we are not there yet.
>>288449599In the first place, gold dust is completely unsuitable for any types of moving parts or mechanisms since buildings created this way need to be connected to the mana grid, otherwise they collapse back into dust. Entwickeln is powerful but equally limited.
>>288421279I feel like more people should be weirded out by Myne's highbeast, because they have absolutely zero context for its design. They don't know what a car is, they don't know what a tanuki is, every part of this design is completely alien to them. It should be drawing massive amounts of attention anywhere she goes.
>>288449673>It should be drawing massive amounts of attention anywhere she goes.It does.
>>288449673>they don't know what a tanuki isIt's a foolish grun.
>>288449348power to make laws to protect your part of society is probably paid for in blood, but since heimins can't do shit without pocket sand and silver cloth, they're at mercy.meanwhile nobles have much physical power, so they can allow themselves to act on compassion to a good degree if they wanted. it would be good even for their mentals.basic privileges like contract magic are a good direction to take, main's ideas about improving sanitation in ehren were good, next steps could be to print some part of the truth about jurg like just how important mana and nobles are. or they could grant heimins a few more basic rights, like banning killing on a whim, some limited light to trial to defend themselves against baseless shit.nobles wouldn't want heimins to grow too arrogant, but select rights would jump up their HDI, productivity, manners, smell in the city, the percentage of heimins who can work service jobs (cooking delicious cake for tea parties instead of toiling to weave clothes for the middle mass).
>>288448438nah she hasn't actually made a printing press yetbut she's already mostly there with movable typeBut yeah the crafting is mostly doneNow instead Myne will move onto scaling up production and actually selling the books.
>>288448797Eh I think it could be made equal. Suppose a duchy was implanted with liberal values:tm: and survived for 200 years. If the population of mana users grew from 1% of the population to 50%, then the relative importance of individual mana users would vastly diminish. The duchy would be able to easily service all its mana needs. Of course mana users would also need to be happy to seek mundane employment.
>>288449673wait until she attacks a teacher with it
>>288448623The great thing is how the clashing happens not only between Japan and Yurg, but also between commoner and merchant and merchant and noble and noble and giebe and ehrenfestian and dunkelfelgerianThere are tons of tiny little schisms
>>288450045>Suppose a duchy was implanted with liberal values:tm: and survived for 200 years. If the population of mana users grew from 1% of the population to 50%You've already lost me. I don't understand how one lead to the other.>then the relative importance of individual mana users would vastly diminishNo, because there will be people with more mana and people with less mana. People with more mana are more powerful knights and more accomplished scholars, and also have even better blessings on virtue of being able to freely dedicate more mana. Also you don't even take into equation the issue of obtaining a schtappe and the resources that requires for someone with too little mana. There is a difference between a person with mana and a genuine noble.
>>288449423Do you really think +70% of the worldbuilding is construed? I'm personally willing to tolerate 10%, and I feel it's 5%.>magic contracts exist but wars and civil conflicts are still happeninggood point I suppose that trivialises tons of politics/game theory
>>288448790List of invention spoilers.You are forgetting the book sleeves that return books. The carousels. Spring steel/a spring steel mattress. Chaise lounge from said spring steel. Ferdinand's own bench from the design. Countless recipes. The music box-esque recording device. The authentication paper. The new divine weapon (water pistol). A new spell Copy and Place. A new dying technique. A new magic ink. And likely a few more I'm forgetting...Oh right, the hand water pump, Standardized paperwork, pie charts. Leaf spring suspension. All while being mandated to attend the Academy.And this is over the span of, what another 4-6* years at this point? I'm sure once she left the academy towards the end of the principle series she never ever once again "invented" anything new or brought into the world inventions from the old for the rest of her life. The story is a snapshot of her life, not the entire thing, and that snapshot is actually fairly bracketed in. A good quarter or so of the plot goes to her inventing new things once she gets into academy. Her main personal goal is a library. That goal is never forgotten. If it's an invention that doesn't contribute toward that goal she isn't that interested.I'm likely forgetting some as there are so many really.
>>288450045>1% of the population to 50%You do realize that mana users can only reproduce with other ones roughly their own capacity, right? Unless you plan to sentence the trash tier users, like the blue priests, to breeding camps.
>>288450092>50% are mana usersCorrect, the population bit is also another premise. I should have made that clearer.I'm not sure how you could so rapidly increase mana users. Maybe develop a device that can transfer a consistent amount of a mana to a fetus?>more mana less manaI was thinking of a situation where 50% of the population had laynoble level mana.Even if they don't get schtappes (I imagine the garden couldn't support that many), they could still dedicate their mana. If you make mana dedication a job then you could pay 50 laymages to displace one archmage. Hell maybe you could tax mana and collect it free of cost.But I suppose you would need archknights still to tackle the dangerous feybeasts, and archscholars to do difficult blends. I think the gap here can be closed with technology, though.Ultimately the main core issue of getting mana into the land is solved. Other problems can get ironed out.A good refutation I think would be that very careful breedng is needed to preserve archmages. If so, then you would still have that inpenetrable clique at the top.Also the other duchies won't sit back. But I suppose we're not considering the transitory period here.
>>288450326>If you make mana dedication a job then you could pay 50 laymages to displace one archmageYou do realize that an archnoble doesn't just go around dumping mana into their duchy? In fact, I don't know any in the series that do this. What you're referring to is a blue priest's job, and being able to cover for their current logistical shortage isn't automatically going to lead to nobles being displaced.
god damn it, i missed the thread
>>288450268Yes raising it would be a challenge and would require new technology/techniques to artificially increase the mana of babiesActually, hmmm I suppose another refutation is that mana pregnancies are a lot more troublesome than mundane ones. Maybe the it is logistically impossible for a city to have that many mana pregnancies
>>288450402yeah it died quite quickly>>288450393getitng mana into tools and the land is the main responsibility that nobles have over commoners, no?There is also feybeast subjugation and administration. The former would still require archknights but the latter can be done by commoners.Brewing is a footnote and attending is unimportant.
>>288450402Keep an eye out for it the day of release of a new episode. Since we are 3 seasons deep "new blood" don't come in randomly as much so we get 1 or two that day of the week then have to wait for next week. It's still quite active though. There be a shit ton of spoilers here, so beware.
>>288422558>KidMentally a middle aged woman.
>>288450479>getitng mana into tools and the land is the main responsibility that nobles have over commoners, no?No. They work as knights, scholars or attendants if they aren't landowning nobles or hold a higher position. Nobles don't just dump mana, they do a lot more than that and it's tied to their education at the royal academy.
>>288450510what else do they do? I've read the full series and it's mostly just feybeast subjugation, brewing and administration (and foundation mana supplying the case of ADCs)desu I feel the series doesn't really tackle what non-attendant nobles
>>288450567Then you might be due for a reread.
