>watch critically acclaimed anime>NTR from the beginning No wonder /a/ likes LoGH so much.
>>288422629there is a difference between NTR and missed connections. This is the latter, a common theme in romance.
>>288422629Frederica is cuter
>>288422749Now I'm having fantasies about Ingrid Berman taking BBC. The internet was a mistake.
>>288422629>watching the shitty remake film that ruins the characterization and dynamic of Yang Jessicayou deserve it.
>>288422721based
>>288422764Not really
>>288422880What the fuck? I remember episode 10 also showing that Yang had a crush on Jessica. Didn't Overture just expand on the same shit that was already in the first two episodes?
>>288422629>somebody stole eve's heart>now men is ronery ;-;Fuck you everybody!Sneakin my way out of this nightmare
>>288422880recently began my second rewatch of lotgh and I saw both the first two eps and overture (I don't think I'd seen it before)was pretty surprised how, despite hearing it referred to as a remake of the first two eps before, it really isn't at all. it has a LOT of extra content but doesn't include everything from the actual episodesI hold that you should start with the first two episodes (after conquest) then save overture for after the end of the first season. it adds more content (such as more jessica focus) but that content doesn't feel like it eases you into the series as well.
>>288425853When I watched it for the first time, I went conquest -> overture -> OVA without skipping episodes. I think that was probably the right call. Overture and the first few episodes are different enough that it doesn't feel super repetitive.
>>288422629By this logic you got NTR'd 4 billion times as half the population chose dudes that are not you.
>>288422629Don't forget about how the young super genius knows more than all those ugly senile men, and he just doesn't win because all those bastard won't let him. He has the "potential" and the "super talent" to be the best of the best, a true shonen hero, but... those damn old farts!!
>>288426809literally just like in irl
>>288426809This is literally how real life works
>>288425015>>288426575overture completely shits on lapp and makes jessica into a dishonourable woman who is openly pinning for yang. it just ruins the iconic trunicht confrontation and the activist path she eventually takes afterwards.
>>288422749You know that if Casablanca came out today, people would it call it NTR.
>>288422629Why are there so few LoGH threads? I considered learning japanese for a time just to find more about the IP, but I don't have the willpower to do it.
>>288428851for a show that stared 40 years ago and hasn't had meaningful content in a decade (and the most recent stuff was bad) I think the 1-2 threads a month it gets are a lot desu ne
>>288428851The LNs are translated.
>>288428851It's a veritable classic, the only problem with the original ova is that it takes up until around ep 14 (Empire invasion) to really get going. From there it keeps a largely good pace (with those history episodes being fun), but the first few episodes might turn some people off. It also keeps up the act of it being a romantic-y space opera before getting to the bloodthirsty bits.As for the re-do, I tried it but didn't like it. So a few threads a month make sense. It was a small miracle it even completed it's 110 ep ova in the first place in the market at the time.
>>288422629>Author self-inserts himself as the only relevant Asian character in a mostly-White cast>Makes everyone talk about how great he is>Makes his self insert marry a White woman 10 years younger he met when she was a child>Dies childless in a boring, anti climatic way>After his death they put him at the same level as the founder of the PlanetIdk why so many people think LOGH is great when only good thing about it are the Imperials
>>288429240I reject the premise. A Japanese man would never self-insert as Chinese.
>>288429262unless they're a fan of the 3 kingdoms and chinese classics which he's translated into japanese for publishers
>>288429262He probably didn't want to make it so obvious but that's undoubtedly the caseFrom his Wikipedia article: "Tanaka is interested in Chinese history and wrote some novels set in China. He also published two arranged-translations of Chinese literature: "Sui Tang Yanyi" (隋唐演義, "Stories of Sui and Tang Dynasties") and "General Yue Fei" (說岳全傳, "Telling the Complete Biography of Yue Fei") as "Gakuhi-den" (岳飛伝, "The Story of Yue Fei")."
>>288429262Wronghttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_China_(ideology)
>show makes a character "smart" by dumbing down other characters whenever he appears
>>288428963I consider buying them (I'm a physicalfag when it comes to books) but I heard that the english translations are mediocre to terrible. The recent announcement of a french release makes me hope that a german one will follow, or perhaps an english re-release that does the original justice.
>>288429519The Empire reconquering the Iselhorn stronghold and not bothering to check if the Allies tampered the system so that Yang could make himself look smart once again a few episodes later is probably one of the worst plot devices in the whole show
>>288429721They're on the internet archive so you can read some parts and get an idea on the quality
>>288429240Yang is just Hannibal, not that hard to figure out. Unless you claim historical fact is a badly written novel, your argument doesn't work.
mental ilness
>>288429079I don't get the "slow pace"-criticism. Like, I'm a brain fried zoomer myself, and even I find the show entertaining all the way through. Just the first season has>A grand battle lasting two episodes as introduction>The conquest of a vital strategic position (Iserlohn) that hasn't changed hands in decades>Democratic corruption>Nobility shenanigans>The largets invasion in canon up to that point with even more grand battles sprinkled in>A coup>Two civil wars>The death of two important characters
I hate the shiny redrawn scenes done in the 2000s, its so jarring and washed out. It just makes me think of the 2008+ Space Adventure Cobra OVAs since it was the same studio, so Cobra just looks like some evil noble or corrupt FPA commander you'd see in LoGH in return.
>>288429828Half the redrawn scenes were replacing really off model shotsThe other half I presume were just done to use up the budget they were given for redraws
>>288429785Hannibal was an invader and a conqueror not a defender, and given that Reinhard is Alexander the Great it simply doesn't make sense for him to be Hannibal, what he is, really, is a Gary Stu
>>288429240>>Author self-inserts himself as the only relevant Asian character in a mostly-White castFuck you for ignoring my Nigga Murai.>rest of the postYang being so "boring" is what makes him more sympathetic and interesting. If LoGH was some generic mecha or battle shonen, characters like Schönkopf and Poplin would take the main roles. But because it's not, you instead get a lazy alcoholic who is competent at his job. I'd also argue that Yang goes through some character development, in the beginning he just wants to retire with no plans to marry but in the end he dies fighting for democratic republicanism as a man with a loyal wife and loving "family" (basically the whole 13th fleet).
>>288429262>>288429306As the other anon mentioned, Tanaka is a huge Sinoboo and also one of Yang's inspirations was the famous Korean admiral Yi Sun-sin who humiliated the Japanese fleet. The Goldenbaum dynasty, despite its obvious German influence, is heavily influenced by Chinese imperial history. That's why Reinhard investigated archived documents after he establed the Second Reich (lol).
>>288429519Eh, I'd say this mostly applies to season 1 when the show's heroes mostly face off against incompetent leaders entrenched in their respective country's structure (Stockhausen, Seeckt, Paetta, etc). I think that the Lippstadt War, for example, could've been handled a lot better if it remained a stalemate thanks to Merkatz' efforts until Braunschweig chimps out with the Westerland bombing, causing his troops to defect.
>>288422629Any thoughts on this video?https://youtube.com/watch?v=ftxhchyBUjY&t=2s&pp=ygUdbGVnZW5kIG9mIHRoZSBnYWxhY3RpYyBoZXJvZXM%3DAs far as I'm aware it's the only review of LoGH on YT that is very critical of the show, at least in the english-speaking world. I agree with many of the guy's points, but many are just kinda nitpicky (such as the episode of the past Kaiser, imo) or just wrong (Fischer supposedly only appearing in the episode in which he dies).
>>288429898Murai is not relevant, and, yes Yang is well written but he being boring and everyone glazing him, even the Imperials, at all times makes the show unbearable at times, while the episodes focused on the Empire are what really makes the show enjoyable, for reference check the episode 88 (Focused on the Allies) and try to count all the times they mention Yang and talk about how great he was and then check episode 89 (Focused onnthe Empire) the episode in which they tried to assasinate Reinhard and in which he and Hildegard have sex for the first time which is way more enjoyable than the previous one
>>288429828I don't like that the redraws fuck up the art style consistency, but at the same time I kinda understand why the producers did/ordered them. Due to the OVA's shoestring budget some of the early scenes looked downright terrible.
>>288430149>for reference check the episode 88 (Focused on the Allies) and try to count all the times they mention Yang and talk about how great he wasI mean, he is the one who inspired them to continue fighting despite being hopelessly outnumbered, and even before the complete defeat of the FPA he was a highly-regarded figure due to his actions in El Facil, Iserlohn, and so on. I don't find it far-fetched that the tiny, desperate population of the young republic would come to see him as a semi-messianic figure, especially after his death.But if you find his glazing boring I perfectly understand that, not that I do so too (though that might change on my current watch of the show).
>>288428080People would be screaming about the end of Tale of Two Cities they're so brain rotted.
>>288430228You should've told me you're still watching it, I might have spoiled something for you with that last reply, if that the case, I apologize
>>288422629You know for such a critically acclaimed anime, it sure is blandly directed and poorly animated like the actual ANIME part of it seems the weakest, it looks like a cheap 80's cartoon even the artstyle like it reminds me of this shit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlpQ6knuSa8
>>288430287I am *re*watching it, so it should be me apologising for not clarifying that it's not my first time. Also the show is old so even if I got spoiled on it on 4chan of all places it would be my fault either way.
>>288430320>Ship and space station designs are peak>Battles are a feast for the eyesThat's what matters to me.>videoLooks very soulful actually, definitely cheap but you can tell that the animators gave their best.
>>288428851>Why is this 40 plus year old poorly animated, blandly directed generic war drama show with lame spaceship battles and typical soap opera bullshit talked aboutJeez I don't know.
>>288430427Why are you even itt if you don't like the show? Can you elaborate ony what makes it a soap opera or are you just being a contrarian faggot for the sake of it?
>>288422749BSS, I guess?https://dic.pixiv.net/a/BSShttps://dic.pixiv.net/en/a/BSS
>>288430413Yeah the the cartoon looks better desu.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2chtMTruYoThey could've at least made it a mecha or something.
>>288430449It's too long, if you can't write a story a complete story in a decent amount of time, your story wasn't great in the first place, long works should be episodic only.
>>288426987>overtureWhat's the correct watch order for someone who wants to get into LOGH?
>>288430469>Geiersburg vs IserlohnLiterally the coolest shit ever, I don't see a problem.>They could've at least made it a mecha or something.Go back to Code Geass or Gundam threads then.
>Space Opera>Space Opera JAPAN
>>288430521How do you find camera shaking and lasers shooting back and forth fun to watch? Code Gayass.
>>288430541This, but unironically.
>>288430560It's the same shit just with drawings.
>good music>old clunky anime style>vermillion>mfw the liveleak sceneLoGH and Kingdom have made me hyper aware of the average grunt.
>>288430556But that's not all major battles in LoGH are. There's also asteroid fields, fortresses, black holes, solar storms, minefields... if anything they are a pretty interesting blend of line formation warfare and space "geography" which fits the atmosphere the show is going for fairly well. You finding this boring is okay, but I don't see why you'd want to even participate in this thread if you do.
>>288430541But the Space Opera JAPAN is also the only good Space Opera.
>>288430510The best order is probably the my conquest is the sea of stars pilot, then the overture to a new war movie, which redos the first 2 episodes, then go from ep 3. You could go back to the first two eps later if you would like, but that's the general recommendation
>>288430579>It's the same shit just with drawings, space Prussians, 19th century warfare but in space, and no aliens.ftfy
>>288430654I heard that Babylon 5 is also good, though I'm not convinced after having watched the pilot. Might give it another shot later.
>>288422629>tfw no Magdalena R34
>>288430320>>288430427Legend of the Galactic Heroes looks worst than most the TV anime at the time.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UT1Ssb7-pA8
>>288430541normalfag go back to twitter
>>288430690Wow such a deep anime covering the same themes every piece of media and even other anime has covered. Ra's Al Ghul in Batman TAS was saying the same shit in children's cartoon from the 90's lmfao.
>>288430654Eh. Star wars is good for what it is (before the sequels), Star trek is also interesting, but LOGH is in its own subgroup, the closest thing to it might be something like Foundations or the Sun eater series, maybe some of those more pulp books like Starship Troopers or Old Mans War. In terms of actual Space Opera it among, though not quite the best in the pack, but it's the only one adapted into such a long OVA. The characters being memorable also is a bonus, while other books tend to be rather dry.
>>288430654The only space opera I know is Fifth Element.
>>288430729>looks worstSaar...Either way, the creators were working on a shoestring budget. Why are you so obsessed with the animation quality when everyone acknowledges that it's one of the show's weaknesses?>>288430759So now the issue is that it's not deep enough after saying that it's too long?
>>288430768>Star trekWatch American Krogan's review of it. All lf it ks very contrived to fit the creators' neoliberal worldview.
>>288430718There was some ai stuff I saw on Pixiv of her and some other LOGH girls but you have to pay for the whole set unless someone dumps it
>>288422629The history episodes are my favourites.
>>288430832LOGH is liberal like 90% of Japanese political media.
>>288430834>ai R34Gross, I miss the days when desperately horny but unskilled artists made crappy porn without shame.
>>288430019you know now that this has become a PROPER lotgh threadwhat are some things you would do different if you were able to snap your fingers and rewrite aspects of lotgh?
>>288430882It's still not nearly as contrived as Star Trek and whenever it advocates for liberalism it does so without hiding it. I also wouldn't consider enlightened absolutism to be truly liberal as it is still authoritarian.
>>288430861I liked how Australia was the capital of Earth's government after WW3 because it was the only place not leveled with nukes. Apparently nobody had any major beef with them.
>>288430832>American Krogan>Random ass shitty Youtuber talking about a kino campy show show my grandpa watchedNo thanks.
>>288422629NTR is only for grown ups who don't get their panties in a twist when they see fictional characters in fictional scenarios. It's a big deal for those who live vicariously through media they consume. Then, they consider it as a personal attack. Sonny, you don't have any dignity as it is. Fitering shows you watch for the thing that triggers you makes you no different from trannies. Which you eventually become, funnily enough.
>>288430905Actually quite a lot.>Have the FPA start off with like ten million people instead of 160k.>Have Yang gather intel on Iserlohn via spies before starting his plan so you don't have to portray Seeckt and Stockhausen as complete buffoons.>The two side stories set during the invasion (Kesler's ex and her family, the farmer guy) should be concluded by having the characters appear later for one or two scenes instead of just forgetting them.>Lippstadt War as mentioned previously.>Have Reinhard agree to Oberstein's plan like in the novels and increase Westerland's population to like 40 million to make the attack more shocking.>Alliance Civil War can remain as it is, it was a distraction fabricated by the Reich anyway.>Increase the number of soldiers in some battles and campaigns. Both nations have populations in the tens of billions, so you'd expect them to have man power numbers in the hundreds of millions, yet the invasion of imperial territory which crippled the Alliance so much that it lost even jts defensive capability "only" involved 30 million.>Either remove the scene where Kempff visits his family or redo it in such a way that it's not a blatantly obvious death flag, i.e. have Müller come over for dinner before they depart so we also get to know both admirals better.>Give Phezzan a small but competent military to make their century-long neutrality more convincing, also some unique technology that only they can make. Oberstein manages to somehow nullify these factors, allowing for a swift imperial occupation like in the OVA but without the plothole.>Make the show's portrayal of religion more morally grey by showing us the Space Germans' neo-Asatru faith more closely.[1/2]
>>288431259>Make an entire episode on the history of the Goldenbaums instead of dedicating just half of one to them, make it another documentary-style vid (Reinhard already should've known what he read since he was a high noble for quite a while befor) and focus on the more competent monarchs of the dynasty such as Maximilian-Josef II.>Aside from changes, make more side story episodes set during the Federation era and the battle of Dagon, similar to the ones on Bruce Ashbey because it would be cool to see events that were already considered historical by characters in the OVA.[2/2]
>>288430703B5 is good stuff, you should give it a proper chance. As far as space opera goes, I find the series unrivaled, despite its occasional shortcomings. With that said, 5th season is absolutely an afterthought, although this was mostly WB trying to spread the franchise beyond what was planned and written.
>>288431259>>288431269All that said, I still consider LoGH to be my favourite show. I can forgive its shortcomings since no other visual medium has come close to what it goes for. I reckon I should read War and Peace, there's a really good-looking hardcover of it.
>>288430905Hmm. I would be interested in making the civil wars longer and more monumental, even though they already are pretty good . Perhaps I would change some battles and make them more Eve-online like, some more variety of ships with status effects, perhaps some sub fleets trying to warp in and attack from multiple vectors, etc. Maybe have the terra-ists actually do more, like a space 9/11, trying to nuke planets in the end stage, etc.
>>288431259>>Have the FPA start off with like ten million people instead of 160k.I feel like the entire early history of the FPA and Empire was a bit too condensed. If I were to "rewrite" parts of the story I'd double the length of time of everything and make it clear that the so-called "first contact" (and beginning of the war) 150 years ago wasn't really first contact at all, as the (once again powerful) pirate fleets which had been the bane of the pre-empire federation had risen again and been ferrying people to the nascent FPA for hundreds of years (with the empire taking the official view that it was just some unimportant backwater shit, not that it was creating a rival space empire)I also feel like it needs more focus on details like how the empire actually managed to keep itself together for so long. there are times when the show shits on rudolf for promoting asskissers but actually it'd make more sense (with his heavy focus on eugenics) if he'd mostly promoted extremely competent people (who were also asskissers)plus race and religion don't get nearly the focus they should. what religions even are there other than terraism? the imperials use the name odin a lot, but what is that, a real pagan LARP thing, or perhaps just using the name odin for a different view of God? and what about race? rudolf was clearly pretty racist but what was the actual process? forcing white people to change their names and language to his neo-german larp? sending whites who wouldn't to prison colonies (like heinessen was on)? if they then mostly migrated to the FPA that'd explain why the FPA has diverse white names. but what about non-whites? the empire doesn't seem to have any, but is it just that they're not allowed to participate in politics but still exist in some numbers on older planet colonies? I feel like the prequel OVAs were a big missed opportunity. I would have loved seeing Yang spending some time as a teaching assistant and talking about this stuff in class
>>288431611I really really wish ship warfare had a bit more thought given to itI have a long write-up I made about how I'd (re)design the ships in a hypothetical game but the long and short of it is that I LOVE the long design of the ships and believe that should actually play into how they workthey should be built around long rail guns that are the only way to reliably pierce a ship with an energy shield (all large ships in battle, with few exceptions such as when the shields are turned off to provide more power to the thrusters or to the warp drive, allowing some interesting tactical surprises)a rail gun could piece the shield and a damaged ship would then be unable to maintain a strong shield over the damaged area (assuming they survive the hit itself),. Side lasers and fighter planes would thus aim pretty much exclusively for the weak points in the shields of ships which have been hit by rail guns. I feel like that would just be so much more interesting than the main guns AND side guns of all ships just being lasers (and fighter planes also just firing lasers and even being able to take out undamaged destroyers all on their own)
>>288430087not watching it
>>288430469>They could've at least made it a mecha or something.kill yourselfseriously
>>288430677>>288430510no watch the first two eps. BEFORE overture.
>>288422629Is the remake still going?
>>288432562The fifth season was announced over two years ago, it might still be in the making but I'm unsure. Also, I hate to be the insufferable autist again, but DNT is not a remake of the OVA, it's an entirely separate adaption of the same source material.
>>288432653Thanks. The last one I remember is that jewish faction's arc then nothing. I hope they make more it's easier for me to watch than the old show.
>>288432752I don't see why you'd enjoy DNT more than the OVA if you already don't remember much about the latter, there isn't even a narrator to explain and summarise events.
>>288433012The jewish faction arc is the last one released, bro...
>>288433111Ahh okay.
>>288422629I have no interest in watching this but what is the relationship between the blondies and black hair?
>>288433418All three went to the same college. Yang and the blonde girl, Jessica, had some moments where it seemed they were going to get together but he never committed and she never pushed. Jean-Robert, the other guy, was a year ahead of Yang and was his buddy during that time and also had feelings for Jessica then. IIRC I believe it was him that originally encouraged Yang to try his luck with Jessica, but that went nowhere before he and Yang graduated and entered naval service.A few years later when that scene takes place, Jean asked Yang permission to propose to Jessica, which Yang allowed. Jessica wasn't 100% on board since she still had unresolved feelings with Yang, but Yang gave her the go-ahead on Jean anyway.Jean and Jessica get married, Yang and Jean almost immediately get deployed to stop an Imperial incursion, and Jean dies.Jessica goes into politics to protest the war while Yang is stuck in the fleet since the Brass won't allow him to retire.Rest of their story is spoilers for the show which I can elaborate on if you care enough.
>>288433591I do feel like since what we see of them is so colored by yang's presence it's easy to say that she loved yang and settled for jean. but she was also so utterly devastated by jean's death that she devoted the rest of her life to ending the war.it would have been more fair to have an episode with her flashbacks with jean which had little to no yang focus and showed why she picked jean over yang other than just "jean proposed first"
>>288422629>dies like a bitch laterAm I supposed to root for le democracy guy?
>>288422629you will feel ashamed of your words and deeds
>>288430690Well, we're not into mysticism, r-right?
>>288434045You qualify fundamentalism and dispensationalism as better than mysticism?
>>288434045>q anon kek baal meme magic>(and like wicca or whatever, leftists are not immune to this crap)yeah, definitely not
the fpa consists only of one single planet. else, you can't explain how conquering one single planet is suddenly the end of the fpa, and it wouldn't just have a new main coordination world.
>>288434292I don't know how you managed to watch the show while blind and deaf, but what actually happened is that when the Empire forces occupied the capital, the FPA government surrendered, which the military under Yang accepted, which ended the conflict. What point would there be in shifting the capital elsewhere without any military? The FPA surrendered because their government was lead by cowards, and the military was lead by a democracy autist who was unwilling to break the rules under any circumstances.
>>288434292I don't think the show does a good enough job showing this but from the context clues I make a few assumptions about settlementsfirst, there are only a few actual full planets which are settled where the entire world is temperate, including Odin, Phezzan, Heinessan, and the remnants of Earth. Second, space habitats are heavily discouraged with the exception of a few fortresses, probably for security/cultural reasons. Perhaps the memory of space habitats being destroyed in various wars before the Empire was founded. Third, most other settlements aren't on the whole planet but are inside large habitats (perhaps covered by massive glass or "shield" domes, which maintain a good atmosphere and climate?). My basis for this is the abysmally low population of numerous "frontier" planets featured in the show. During the FPA's invasion, the planets we saw the surface of looked more like a collection of small rural villages. The population was clearly mostly neo-kraut serfs but being so low only really makes sense if the surface is barely habitable. Perhaps the "shield" covering expands every year as new land is converted from planet dust into actual fertile soil, the an end goal of full terraforming. Also the FPA does have other planets but Heinessan is the only one above a billion in population (and probably even the only one above a hundred million)
>>288431259>Have the FPA start off with like ten million people instead of 160k.Just how many ships would they have to build for that many people?>Have Yang gather intel on Iserlohn via spies before starting his plan so you don't have to portray Seeckt and Stockhausen as complete buffoons.Or have him look at how they acted during the previous invasion.>Have Reinhard agree to Oberstein's plan like in the novels and increase Westerland's population to like 40 million to make the attack more shocking.What difference does it make to the plot if 40 million die instead of 2 million?>Increase the number of soldiers in some battles and campaigns. Again how would 300 million dying be any different than 30 million dying?>Give Phezzan a small but competent military to make their century-long neutrality more convincingIn the books they had about 12% of the galactic military power. The Empire has 48% so they could overwhelm them.>>288435022>The FPA surrendered because their government was lead by cowardsAnd there were two enemy fleets threatening to raze the entire planet from orbit.
>>288435434>And there were two enemy fleets threatening to raze the entire planet from orbit.Well yeah, you could argue that they made the pragmatic call in surrendering immediately, but in the show the Alliance side was pretty upset at how quickly the politicians surrendered.
