>>288424765
Character development Lemon soon

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>>288424897
I'm happy they could talk about it without stalling things endlessly. Both Sunao and Lemon were very sensible about it even. I wonder for how much the manga will continue now.
I have to say though, I don't think Sunao's crush on Kogahara is that deep. Maybe I'm biased because I find her quite boring, but he seems to be more in love with the idea of dating her than the person herself.
Anyway, good progression nonetheless. New romance manga are pretty good lately
Thanks for the dump

>>288424897
Is this really it? It can't be this simple right? Unless we get an announcement that the series is ending, I can't help but think that Sunao will have some sort of "realisation" before this is over.

>>288424913
Trust the plan, bait and switch soon

>>288424897
its completely possible for kogahara to win despite not being the first girl/main heroine but these pages might be foreshadowing the upcoming chapters >>288424837 >>288424850. they'll date, break up, and once he's over kogahara his heart will turn to lemon

The fact that he body swaps with this girl every day it's literally impossible for him to be in a normal relationship. He's tied to her even if he doesn't like it. You can't reasonably your life while only piloting it half the days.

If this is not the last volume I can't expect this is anything but a bait-and-switch. I don't personally mind who wins, but I do think Kogahara is pretty boring outside of her first love stuff. Lemon at least has an actual personality.

Tourist-fag here and this is very confusing. Feels like I couldn't have seen a more inappropriate chapter as a first intro.

Seems like this personality swap thing is a total non-issue and only exists when it's convenient to the author

>>288424909
>I have to say though, I don't think Sunao's crush on Kogahara is that deep. Maybe I'm biased because I find her quite boring, but he seems to be more in love with the idea of dating her than the person herself.
Lack of thoroughly exploring why and how characters love each other is my biggest gripe with all romance manga, bar none. I think some 'romance as a side genre' manga actually do it better because they often have characters interact as friends or partners or something else for a while with it slowly building up to a point where they consider the like someone/each other, that can, perhaps unintentionally sometimes, mean the manga does a better job of showing the reasons for their love and showing them form and then grow into the actual feeling.

>>288425072
That's why this whole thing should end in a 3P/throuple.

>>288425051
If this was a more degenerate publication both Sunao and Lemon would take turns piloting Sunao's body to plow Kogahara and she'd be okay with it since they're all best friends

>>288425072
The body swap happened because Lemon made a wish due to her lingering regrets, now that it's all over the body swap should stop soon

>>288425130
>Seems like this personality swap thing is a total non-issue and only exists when it's convenient to the author
Yes

>>288425181
Kogahara might be bi without having realized it. Yeah yeah, I know she said she loves Sunao and all, but since she didn't know about the swap for the get go, it's almost impossible she didn't associate some stuff Lemon does to Sunao instead

>>288425190
They swapped the day after the rejection though

>>288424897
This feels like he's going to bounce back to Lemon soon enough.

>>288425130
The body swap is just a gimmick to have two estranged ex-lovers reconnect. It's basically irrelevant outside of being the catalyst that causes them to interact again.
For about half of the manga now the drama has just been regular relationship stuff, with the body swap stuff basically being irrelevant.

>>288424702
He clearly realizes he loves both of them. In his rejection he never said he didn't love her back only that he couldn't make her happy by picking her.

>>288425342
Yes. But now Lemon does feel like she's moved on.

>>288425309
Well it's relevant that the male (female) was the one who made the crush swoon half the time

>>288425342
>He clearly realizes he loves both of them
he loves lemon as a friend

>the person i used to love
>id be happy if we could stay friends forever

such a nice art style wasted on harem shit

>>288425594
Love triangles aren't harems. They're love triangles. Most harems aren't even harems.

>>288424883
Well, she's happy so now what?

If this was really the endgame and this was what allowed Lemon to finally settle her feelings once and for all...

They wouldn't have switched again the next morning. We're getting more twists and turns, so buckle up.

>>288425757
I mean, can you really move on that quickly? In a matter of minutes?

I'm glad I never started reading this manga.

>>288425759
Lemon still has to settle things with Kogahara and see MC happy after she mind broke him

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Well, as they say: Lemon cucks be cope-maxxing. The writing for this manga was appaling from the start, pretty much abandoning the original premise. As if Sunao is going to do some mental gymnastics from now on, maybe if Kogahara got run over by a truck...

>>288425834
His elaborate and maybe thoughtful answer clearly won her over. I mean didn't she already know the answer to her confession? She's just finally putting it all to rest.

>>288424719
I am glad I dropped it on chapter 20

This is just Nisekoi all over again, MC started out loving Onodera/Lemon but fell for Chitoge/Kogahara and had feelings for both for a while until Onodera/Lemon confessed and he finally made up his mind and rejected her

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>>288424719
should've end right here

>>288425051
>they'll date, break up, and once he's over kogahara his heart will turn to lemon
Basically what I hope happened with Ishigami, Tsubame and Miko

>>288426400
It makes sense only in English, because in Japanese it's something like "farewell, bitch"

>>288426444
>Lemon will never date MC and instead she'll turn into a drunk slut

Touristfag back again after starting to read this, gotten to like chapter 6 just because this thread kinda got me curious enough after hearing about this series a few times in other romcom threads.

Lemon so far doesn't seem like a very nice person and I'm kinda surprised this got popular enough for it to get to 90+ chapters. Hopefully it starts getting better

>>288426542
Lemon is definitely a controversial. I think it's an equally viable position to like or dislike her, even this deep into the manga.

So did the body swapping ever amount to anything or did everyone accept it and now it's just basic romance manga? I've stopped reading at around chapter 40

>>288424645
Huh, didn't exepct to see this on the front page. I stopped dumping a long time ago because it seemed no one here read the series anymore. But it seems some still do.

>>288426735
There are usually threads with every new chapter but there's not much discussion.

>>288426542
It's not about whether she bad or good person, the main hook of the manga was the conflict between 2 characters that damaged only the boy. So this body swap gimmick would lead to some reconciliation between them because the fate tied them together. But it's executed poorly

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>>288424883
I never understood why romance series can't explore emotions is always "nothing happens" or "everything happens super rushed"

>>288426735
I picked it up a few weeks ago (well I suppose probably closer to a couple of months) and decided to start dumping it.

>>288426773
To be fair, most chapters are skipabble here

>>288426782
Yea, after posting and thinking a bit more, I wasn't really happy with saying "Lemon is bad" it's more like the author just seems to be happy to bully the male MC who's already a victim in the situation. Girl is super successful and smart, dude is just kinda getting along in life and all of a sudden he's getting an extra heaping scoop of shit in his cereal.

Knowing that Lemon is the cause of this just makes it feel that much more sour so it's tough for me to be more neutral.

So what happens now
>Chapter 97: Lemon tells Natsumi that she lost the Sunao bowl
>Chapter 98: Sunao and Natsuni don't confess to each but go on a date
>Chapter 99: Sunao and Natsumi confess to each other
>Chapter 100: they're dating
>Epilogue: married
Not the worst ending but this entire series has felt really drawn out and I have not enjoyed it for most of it's run

Lemon isn't a bitch or anything but she's not a good person either.

>>288426773
there was a time when it didn't get any thread whatsoever

>>288426866
>Lemon tells Natsumi that she lost the Sunao bowl
Maybe we've been reading the title wrong and is Lemon the one saying "have a nice life, bitch" to Natsumi since she's taking MC but Lemon still wants her to be happy

>>288426853
There's an entire flashback namek arc to cover what happened between them and Lemon is more sympathetic in it, but she and everyone involved still put most of the blame on her. But Akiyoshi made his own mistakes, most notably accepting her lie at face value and never, ever trying to reconcile with her himself despite them being friends since childhood.
He didn't really do anything wrong, but he didn't do anything right, either. They were also both middle schoolers, and real life middle schoolers do dumb shit like what happened between them all the time.

>>288426866
If it were ending that soon, wouldn't it get announced?

>>288426930
Blaming a guy for believing his girlfriend being a shitty person and then not wanting to get involved with her further after she betrayed and hurt him that much isn't a failing on his part.

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>>288426802
I kinda got dejected no one was actually discussing it, glad to see someone picked up the slack.

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>>288424897
This is so dumb, of course Sunao and Natsumi will end up badly and he'll come back to Lemon, it's a textbook bait & switch situation, even my dog could see through this "mystery"

>>288427118
lol I forgot about these posts

>>288426965
Yea, Himaten announced it's final volume which is kinda the same timeline as that anon's post for chapters left so if it really was ending we'd probably know.

More bullshit to come I guess.

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>>288427019
He literally says he never believed her in the first place which is why he was never that angry. I do think the mangaka changed their mind to make what she did seem less bad, but maybe it's a woman writer who didn't think it was that retarded, but if somebody makes an obvious lie and you take it face value, without any verification and after having known the person most of your life then yes, that is a shortcoming.
Lemon was mostly in the wrong, but Sunao was still a complete retard and made no effort to salvage the relationship. The fact that he even believed her lie in the first place makes no sense given both of their characters.

Sunao and Natsumi will date, Sunao will realise that this isn't what he wants, Natsumi will realise that Sunao's heart isn't in it.

Sunao will realise that he loves Lemon but it won't be that simple since Lemon will be trying to "move on" cue misunderstanding BS or maybe no misunderstanding BS and Sunao just seeks Lemon out.

Harem ending is coming, I just know it!

>>288427288
If my girlfriend wants to lie to my face and claim she's cheating with 3 guys, I am not making any effort to stick around and I am infact leaving right away. To even use that as a lie in the first place is grounds for ending a relationship. Female authors truly do not understand what trust means to men.

>>288424850
yep, get fucked lemon.

does everyone forget that best boy still has feelings for lemon?

>>288427356
Who cares, she earned her prize.

>>288425876
I'm glad I dropped on the begining lmao

Making lemonade with Lemon

>>288424897
If this is a proper rejection it feels like the manga is going to wrap up soon. Even though I like her imo Sunao's relationship with Natusmi isn't interesting enough to continue the manga without the love triangle.

Up to chapter 45, I get that it's for plot reasons, but keeping the roomie in the dark when they told the club guy instantly was a bit of reach. Lemon still continues to be unlikable and the hints of her reasoning aren't helping her at all in my eyes.

I don't care about who ends up with who, I wanna know why Lemon chose to break up with Akiyoshi by lying about getting gangbanged.

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>>288426458
he should have told her that too, kuzo onna
>>288425051
they are going to that dumb things japs do where he is only allowed to date the whore only after his doormat of a wife dies

>>288429733
you are like three volumes late, it was because of peer pressure
som bitch said he was ugly/dumb and lemon striving to be miss perfect cut ties with him

>>288429879
That only explains the break up itself. I want an explanation for her exact words. She could have broken up with him in a much less ugly manner.

Lmao Lemonfags thought Sunao wouldn't cleanly reject her.

>>288429918
you literally see her reasoning during that whole arc, she let it stew for too long and it made it impossible for her to explain to Sunao she wasn't really three timing the poor bastard

>>288429918
she was horny. be glad she didnt bring up how much she wants her dad to spank her

I wouldn't call it realistic or *that* good but I like the fact that this series rarely beats around the bush for too long that it gets boring like most romance manga do, everyone seems to be mature enough to talk out their issues and figure out a way to fix them, a really nice manga

It still bothers me that nobody actually knows why they broke up. Sunao is really nice about it, it'd be nice to have someone be more direct with her about how terrible what she did was.

What is it with female authors being unable to make women’s reasons for being horrible justifiable to male readers everytime it’s “i was mildly annoyed so i traumatized you tehee”

She knows..

Anyways I’m bored lol that was a good laugh though.

>>288430475
>female
You answered it yourself

>>288430475
I just got to chapter 60 where we see it form the guy's perspective and even in the story where a woman is clearly in the wrong, they have to still make her the victim. Female authors are the fucking worst, thank god Ryou exists as a reminder that some of them don't buy into their collectivist in-group defense force.

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>>288430475
ever heard of a thing called "woman moment"?

This flashback arc is supposed to make Lemon more endearing to readers or something?! Jesus, I hate her more with each page I keep reading. I guess to women it makes more sense since the social game is more of a burden on them, but holy shit how can people empathize with someone who was so easily cruel to both a friend and someone they came to like romantically. Women truly are horrible people if this is supposed to be a positive light.

>>288430908
>I hate her more with each page I keep reading.
Hating fictional characters is mental illness

>>288431085
Defending them is even worse, Lemonfag

>>288431096
>Defending
???

>>288430908
Sometimes you get that a person isn't cruel intentionally, she's just retarded. It doesn't justify her actions but gives another perspective

This probably isn't it, unless we suddenly get an announcement, there's gonna be more bullshit, the bodyswapping hasn't finished yet.

>>288431319
>the bodyswapping hasn't finished yet.
I hate that authors never use body swaps seriously, that should mess up your head but authors never give the characters any mental problems after receiving a bunch of different hormones into their heads

>>288431163
She's an unlikable person for sure, but yea she's not some horrible demon either. What she did wasn't that out of line for teen and it seems only be due to the magic of romcom that the male is even hanging around her so he's not some poorly written doormat either. Overall it's all well written enough so it's not like it's trash and people talking about it doesn't like things fester like romcom tropes dictate is very nice. Guess I just don't like that a bad person is succeeding and getting their way at the expense of everyone around her.

>>288431341
>Guess I just don't like that a bad person is succeeding and getting their way at the expense of everyone around her.
is a fictional character, that is what makes it entertaining. That is the reason stories exist

>>288431374
It's fun when it's a scumbag being a scumbag and they get it back in return like Nighthawk or Sumire. Lemon just gets away with it because author's self-insert I guess.

Meh this entire series basically got fucking boring the moment they revealed Lemon just acted like an autistic martyr. Especially since you obviously already got it in the first few chapters.

Also, Kogahara is fucking bland as shit.

>>288430239
I actually wish it was messier, I feel like the author likes to resolve things too cleanly and amicably. To me it seems like she doesn't want anyone to be the "bad guy" which is fine but if every conflict is going to be resolved with characters talking and apologizing to each other in the same chapter then this manga should be a lot shorter. Like hiding the body swap from Kogahara was resolved abnormally cleanly after somany chapters of desperately trying to hide it from her, even though we get the flashback of what actually caused Lemon and Akiyoshi to break up the author skips to after they actually sit down and discuss it instead of showing the confrontation for this point of conflict that was building up since the beginning, etc. The situation they're in is full of drama and has a lot of tension, but I don't feel like it doesn't always get a proper release.

>>288432119
Yeah this is my issue with it. Its a bodyswap manga without the actual chaos of a bodyswap manga
Which makes Lemons reconciliation (and eventual rejection) feel completely toothless

And because theres no actual drama even Kogahara who shpuld essentially have been the "oasis" of a potebtially melodramatic premise just feels really tacked on and boring
Same goes for the friend and the other lemon fan chick who shpuld have been friction points but just turned into cucks that exist to smooth out any drama

>>288432119
Yea, Kogohara finding out should've been a multi-chapter mess to clean up instead of that resolution. I never went into this thinking it was gonna be anything realistic though since it's Wish-Upon-A-Star premise. Probably just the author really not wanting to deal with something big stakes messy and leaving bad guys around. Almost seems like a parallel to Lemon's people pleaser personality

>>288431794
I don't dislike Kogahara, but she definitely got shafted by not being he poster girl of the manga. So much more time was given to Lemon and Sunao's relationship. It's easy to buy into their history, how much they understand each other, and why they like each other. In contrast Kogahra just feels like a nice senpai and there's not much more to get you invested beyond that because the author gives such a big spotlight to Lemon's relationship drama.

>>288431513
>It's fun when it's a scumbag being a scumbag and they get it back in return like Nighthawk or Sumire.
THAT IS BORING. Entertainment >>>>> morality

>>288432592
Kogahara isn't a character, she is a macguffin
we know way more about Lemon's stalker and she didn't even have a 5th of doormat-hara's screentime
>>288432657
I can assure you seeing Sumire's plans backfire spectacularly is really funny

Not even a yurifag but it would have been better if Kogahara fell in love with or transferred her affections to Lemon when she found about the swap.

>>288432592
Isn't that the whole point though? The entire manga is about Lemon getting better after fucking it all up. The story has always been very focused on on Lemon with everyone else being a supporting cast, so while it might be a bittersweet ending, Kogohara was never going to get a lot of development because the story focus isn't about Sunao.

>>288432821
>focus isn't about Sunao
He has arguably as much importance to the manga as Lemon

Yeah no, you guys are masochists, I couldn't handle reading this. These stories where one or both parties act like space aliens who've never interacted once with the opposite sex despite constantly doing so throughout the story are absolutely infuriating. Both of these retards need to be lobotomized.

>>288432919
Of course he is, but it's still Lemon's story and his romance is only pertinent because it intersects with her best friend and weird-ex situation.

>>288432714
>I can assure you seeing Sumire's plans backfire spectacularly is really funny
She is not real anon. Just enjoy the cute story

>>288432924
Relax anon, they are not real

>>288433146
Fine, they can get a not real lobotomy, then. I can compromise.

>>288433287
Just enjoy the cute story with the kids having their youth

>>288424883
Lemon will avenge Himari

>>288433314
Himari never deserved Iemori and Honoka will take her rightful place at her CF's side while that girlboss fucksoff to her next business meeting.

>>288432996
I don't think that's the case. We're deliberately shown Kogahara's internal conflict about being a novice when it comes to romance and wondering if love is something she can experience, Along with her solo chapters for her dates and discovering her feelings for Akiyoshi. The author is definitely trying to tell a story about their relationship as something that isn't just ties to Lemon coming to terms with the consequences of her indecisiveness and the problems her people pleasing attitude caused instead of being honest with herself.

>>288433411
It's pretty common for long runnies series to also focus on the other characters, that doesn't mean that the main character has changed. Just like how Horimiya became about the school couples after it basically ran out of PG-13 relationship material doesn't change the fact that the focus is about HoriMiya even if they sometimes take a backseat.

>>288433583
I'm not saying Lemon isn't the main character, I'm just saying that the authors' attempt to make the reader invested in Kogahara was very lukewarm. She was definitely trying to give her some characterization other than being a source of conflict for Lemon's dilemma but it hasn't really amounted to anything so far.

>>288424850
Bodied that freak

>>288433743
I think we're both in agreement and I was also off in my statements because I'm still catching up. I just reached the chapter with the BookFes date and Kogohara has all of a sudden taken a much bigger role in the story than before so I underestimated her important in the story.

>>288424645
I haven't kept up with this series for like 70+ chapters, didn't Lemon cheat on him and cause a bunch of emotional damage?
I assume it eventually gets revealed she had some convoluted but excusable reason for it, but goddamn. She just can't stop toying with this dude's feelings and fucking up his love life, huh.
Why can't she just leave him the fuck alone and get with that mob guy instead?
Now doubt even if he did answer he feelings, she would just cheat on him again anyway.

>>288434815
>I haven't kept up with this series for like 70+ chapters, didn't Lemon cheat on him and cause a bunch of emotional damage?
Female author handwaved it all away and made him understand and not hate her for it.

>>288434870
I didn't even think it would be possible to do that.
I assumed there had to be some aspect of misunderstanding somewhere. Or she was blackmailed or something. Some kind of reason.
Yeah, Lemon is a fucking whore and this guy is a total cuck, what the hell?

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Got to this page and it alone makes me wish for Lemon to lose even though I spoiled myself with this thread.

>>288433411
>The author is definitely trying to tell a story about their relationship as something that isn't just ties to Lemon coming to terms with the consequences of her indecisiveness and the problems her people pleasing attitude caused instead of being honest with herself.
I don't think that's the case. The author to me is seemingly trying to give some characterization to Kogahara to justify her relationship with Lemon and Sunao. She is a boring character, so that helps in making her a bit more interesting and more appropriate for the """conflict""".
The result was mediocre for me, but it's something at least

>>288435049
Lemon was an over-achiever in school, bitch jealous girls started rumours, she got into her own head and thought being with Sunao would cause him issues so she broke up with him using those rumours as an excuse. He felt something was off but didn't press her further half because he didn't want to pressure her, half because he didn't want it to be true.

Anyways, she got away with it.

>>288434815
>>288435049
She never actually cheated on him, it was a lie for break-up purposes. She's a psychopath, not a whore.

>>288432924
The fact that the need to be lobotomized but haven't is why it's good.

>>288424883
Didn't expect much, but it's kinda lame, if you make a redemption arc for a psychopath, make her feel something. Like make her cry, make her regret

>>288435174
she just a smol been, she dindu nuffin dat bad, smelly boys should be happy a nice girl even talked to him in the first place!!

>>288435174
>psychopath
>feel something
That said, she's not an actual psychopath, just a victim of retarded writing to create a dramatic premise.
>I don't want you to be associated with my rumors
>But I certainly won't think twice at absolutely crushing your heart and soul by saying I never cared about you and slept with a bunch of different guys
I'm willing to bet there will be a genuine moment of remorse in the future, she's not an actual psychopath as much as I like to call her one. Just retarded writing.

>>288435266
I doubt it, the author never even mentions that she was cruel to him in her breakup and goes out of here way to minimize her bad actions as much as possible. Just a case of a woman author who thinks so little of men that something like what Lemon did can just be safely brushed aside and ignored.