The parallels between the two factions were intriguing. Relief and despair.
Did you know the most prolific tag is the yasuaki yume tag?
>>288441231Rape, breed, rape, breeed.
I was actually disappointed by my favorite scene in the manga. What the hell was that weird guitar rift when Ryumon came back. I greatly prefer the manga here for the expressions alone.
>>288441231Why did she kill the albino snake? I liked her until she did that. I can't be on her side. The snake didn't do anything to her. What a bitch!
Did the music bother anyone else this episode? it felt so tonally off
Washima Ohga is not fit to be a leader!
Our Jesus.
>>288441231>>288441458>>288441571such a good time for us evil women lovers
>>288441709>uswho is this us. Misumi is my wife not that woman.Although I do like evil women, I don't think she is evil.
>>288441231Nothing ever goes as planed: the world.
>>288441231I like this show for all its strange quirks, but it's honestly irritating how the antagonist faction is way more sympathetic than our protagonists>big tiddy leader supported by an army of waifufags>overthrew a sellout regime that wanted to place Seii under Taira oppression>gets shit done to improve the lives of the people and whip Seii into fighting shape in a matter of months>righteous cause both in regards to taking out the barbarian state of Yamato but even in her desire to avenge her honored father, too>still placed her army's and nation's wellbeing before her personal desires regardless>doing her best even in the face of despair and the most plotarmored of opponents, legit underdog>snazzy raincoat uniformsvs>fat bastard ruling through fear, hated by most of his subjects and even half the state elite>rampant corruption>retarded sockpuppet emperor (although he's funny, gonna give him that)>only safeguarded against collapse by Ryumon spec ops who are paradoxically too incompetent and/or cowardly to remove the Taira menace from power>autist MC (is he even really or is it Ryumon?) endlessly biding his time, propping up the Taira regime in the meantime; when he's finally ready to exact his own revenge upon the fat bastard the latter will probably have already died from heart failure after eating too much shrimpWhy am I supposed to care about Yamato coming out on top again? The guy from Ryumon's corps who called for defection to the side of Seii was right about literally everything.
I'm going to incorporate 草極まりない into my daily vocabulary
>>288442154I don't things are supposed to be that clean cut. The point isn't that yamato or Seii is the good guys (well, at least yet). Often times in history, certainly in the three kingdoms era, there is a LOT of senseless bloodshed under shaky leaders. There is probably a lot to like under Seii but >Raping pillaging and murdering civilians on their march >Leader is really just there to enact revenge >Hasn't really built a sustainable infrastructure for long lasting peace and really just did everything for the war machine (historically, the war economy dries up) >Will likely butcher more innocents if they won the battle hereObviously it's not like the Yamato are remotely better. If anything, the controlling family and incompetent emperor are a little TOO cartoonish for me, but I've enjoyed it otherwise so I can let it slide. I'm not a manga reader, but this seems to me more of a man vs world story because ultimately the protagonist is supposed to be Misumi, so it's probably gonna have to bake a while until we really start to identify "the good guy"
>>288442154Both sides are unlikeable, I'm sure you are supposed to root for the Ryumon side and not Yamato exactly, but even then there's basically zero reason why should we like them apart from the MCs being there.All Ryumon have done during all these episodes was grovel and make tea.
>>288442154Yasuke's speech got cut but he talked about how his father basically forced the country into a war with Yamato with the coup d'etat for what is basically a personal vendetta>>288442411The Taira family gets a lot more interesting after the first arc but that's probably where the anime will cut off the first season
>>288441231I would die for her. I prefer to serve the busty little tigress instead of dying for the fat Taira fuck.
Despite the anime cutting a lot of political fluff for character work I actually think the characters were better fleshed out in the manga. The next few episodes really won't hit as hard without more familiarity with Yasuke
>>288441231Smile status: PROTECTED
>>288442748i hope this gets a second season. I'm really enjoying it. but if amazon fucks it up i guess i'll read the manga. I'm extremely captivated by the politics and the world of this show
>>288442997I only read the manga from the chapter inconspicuously titled "Crying While Executing Yayakichi" but just in this chapter there is a lot of political reform narration that got cut after Yayakichi got executed.
>>288442748>Yasuke's speech got cut but he talked about how his father basically forced the country into a war with Yamato with the coup d'etat for what is basically a personal vendettaHere's the thing though: Regardless of Yayakichi's true motivations, the coup d'etat was still obviously the right course of action. At least that's how it's presented to the audience. I cannot imagine anyone watching this show would ever consider it a good idea to just accept Taira's demand for unconditional surrender without putting up a fight. Now you could argue that purging the traitorous surrender faction is one thing, pursuing an offensive war campaign despite being at a material disadvantage is quite another. Maybe Seii should've just dug in and prepared for defense, if it came to that. But the way they conducted the campaign doesn't make it appear totally unreasonable. Obviously it's a gamble, all warfare is. But still in pursuit of a righteous goal. From all we've seen, if you had to pick your ruler out of Ouga or Denki, who in his right mind would pick to be ruled by the fat murderous asshole over the cute noble titcow?
>>288442997I'm sure it will, you just have to believe
a really good episode, againmusic was a lil off in some shots but otherwise amazing as always
>>288443070Well in the end the ones that decide who was right is the history books and it's all riding on how the Yamato invasion goes
>>288442436>All Ryumon have done during all these episodes was grovel and make tea.Naw, we have seen him personally head the operation against Buo's invasion army. In general he and his trusted officers appear to be bailing out Yamato all the time. He's hyper competent against foreign threats and only turns into bumbling embarrassment when up against Taira. No wonder Taira allows him to live.
>>288442154>Falling for Seii's propagandaIt's a bunch of hegemons waging war in order to reach the ultimate goal of unifying Japan, even if they dress it up with fancy talk or use other goals as smokescreen. Seii might present itself as the revolutionary underdog but the facade easily crumbles with a little scrutiny. Ouga literally had to kill his right hand man in order to make sure she remains in power.Yamato is corrupt. But that has been acknowledged by almost everyone. Misumi's whole goal is that he wants to change that. It's why he didn't kill Denki back when he was able to.
>>288443302Certainly that's the view espoused by the story itself. But as we have privileged access to information on both sides, we can already tell that meekly surrendering would've been a giant mistake and pathetic. Besides, historians don't always throw their chips in with the winners. Sometimes they will argue that the losing side at least had to try to resist, even if doomed to failure.
women are not fit to be leader
>>288443552Maybe a negotiated surrender would've been better
nationalism is cancer
>>288443545Kaku received divine justice this very episode for his faggotry >>288441440You don't think it's telling that people in Yamato genuinely believe defecting to Seii ain't so bad because they hate their own leaders that much, but conversely Muuton's offer to defect to Yamato is immediately known to be a ruse because what kind of idiot would ever do that?
>>288443806Keeping a nation together is how we thrive. Nothing gets done otherwise.
episode 9Misumi and Tsune-chan-san haven't done shit
>>288443902Misumi will talk-no-jutsu the emperor/Taira Denki next episode while Tsune-chan is absolutely useless since we first met him. I hope S2 arcs will be more focus on the duo because Ryumon is boring af
>>288443806What other answer do you have for the state question? If not nationalism, what excuse does the government have to exist?
>>288443812When confronted with adversity, some surrender and choose the easy path.Luckily, our HERO is not like that. He'll fix Yamato from the inside out and get his revenge, as a true citizen of the REAL rising sun!
>>288442154Aoteru isn't out to get Lord Taira's scalp yet, he's in it to fulfill his oath to his wife and end the three kingdoms era.
>>288444002Social contract theory
>>288443696Too bad that wasn't on the table.I assume the fat fuck made this unreasonable demand to bait Seii into attacking Yamato, but that just means he wanted war with Seii one way or another to further his domestic goals. There is no option of peaceful coexistence or even a peaceful fusion with Yamato with that guy in charge.
>>288441231did Tsunechansan finally do anything
>>288441231Oga is painted as a crazy dictator but she seems way more human and worthy to follow than the whole corrupted Yamato administration and their pathetic puppet leader. She is not even blinded by revenge anymore and would make a great leader if she surround herself with good advisors for Seii's future. I mean look at her big boobies, how can you even doubt her?
>gambling everything on a guy who doesn't even know what the plan isI think everyone in that world is a fucking retard.
Fujobux status?
>>288444539He caught the Japanese flu and couldn't think quite clearly, please understand
>>288441709Agents of the Four Seasons recently got one too.>>288441550I thought the music was cool, reminded me of a Kojima game.
>>288441709She isn't evil at all though
>>288442154>The guy from Ryumon's corps who called for defection to the side of Seii was right about literally everything.That's traitor talk.That guy and everyone else made a military oath to defend their homeland, not seek a comfy place for their ass.Glad that the plot sorted out this whole traitor thing early.
>>288442154your problem is you're thinking in terms of antagonist and protagonist sides
>>288443588This is why female dictators aren't a thing irl. Too emotional.
So according to that narration at the end, he actually killed her brothers?
>>288444055we ready for sasuga next episode?
>>288443369>and only turns into bumbling embarrassment when up against TairaExcept this whole entire time defenders of the show have sworn up and down that he doesn't turn into an embarrassment even with Taira. Are you guys actually admitting it now?
>>288441231will we ever see buo in action?
>>288445442yeah
>>288443995>Misumi will talk-no-jutsu the emperor/Taira Denki next episode>>288444076>Aoteru isn't out to get Lord Taira's scalp yetSo this whole fucking story will just have this fat pig with invincible plot armor while all the other characters turn into groveling cucks in his presence over and over? But... there's a promise that someday! Eventually! They'll deal with him! Probably! What a dumb premise that sinks what could've been an interesting show.
>>288445516Yeah and they're rapists too
>>288445024She is evil. Last episode she killed an innocent albino snake that was just chillin'. It was so mean-spirited, like why? I don't like her. Nope.
>>288442154>Warmongerer forcing her barely recovered country into another conflict>Decides her national policy based on personal grudges>Her regime is so unstable that her most loyal subordinates have to sacrifice themselves to keep propping her upvs>Pragmatic tyrant who stabilized his country through fear>Power is divided evenly across his family so even if he dies, the country's power structure will still be fine>Creates a situation where even if Ryumon loses, he can clean everything up while taking all the creditDenki is way more based and a better leader than cowtits
>>288445631The basis of the original argument was "most sympathetic" not "most jewish"
just fuck already
>>288445631Right.
>>288442154>>288445631it comes down to do you hate the person more than what they're doing
>>288446009I hate that she killed the snake. Did anyone even watch the actual show. Like half the things people say are general snapshots you could get from a synopsis but if you mention incidental scenes that happened then suddenly nobody knows what it's referring to.
>>288445364>noooooooo you have to stay loyal to a corrupt leadership that might execute you on a whim because... you just have to!Yeah, nah, I rather join the waifu army. You go have fun sucking on Denki's micropenis though.
>>288446168it's a three kingdoms reference, as was most of that episode
>>288446168Nobody except you cares about the snake. Besides that, it was just meant to be a symbolical scene, the snake representing the dragon she's trying to hunt down.
>>288446247But why? If it's supposed to be a thing about tigers hating reptiles, I mean she still literally killed that snake. For no justifiable reason. Even if it's symbolic or religious or whatever else, she's still a bitch. The other things she's done could be argued as necessary or sympathetic. That was just a WTF moment of senseless cruelty.
Is this a fujo show? I looked up nippon_sangoku on Danbooru and nearly every single piece of fanart features dudes, most of whom look like Jpop/Kpop band members. Not a single hot girl anywhere to be found.
>>288446311bottom left is what you're looking for
>>288446285So did she kill an actual snake or was it a schizo vision? If you're going to discuss the pros and cons of a character's morality then cruelty to animals is a absolutely relevant. Don't trust this bitch arouns yourbpets any more than you'd trust the pig guy around your wife.
>>288446300>For no justifiable reasonShe was practicing her aim on a live target.
Today's episode was absolutely amazing. Every episode better than the last. How did they do it?
>>288446381That's not justifiable behavior. It makes her a bad person.
>>288446311>Is this a fujo show?Do you really have to ask? Take a look at this ugly faggot we have to endure every episode >>288444670 it's tiresome
>>288445631When will Lord Taira receive the Nine Bestowments? It is clear he has received Heaven's favour.
>>288446427It's very justified and given that she missed Ryumon's head later on, she should've done even more target practice.
>>288446552I'm surprised that fujos tolerate a guy with facial hair.
>>288443545>It's why he didn't kill Denki back when he was able to.Bold of you to assume Misumi could've actually carried out his little daydream. He didn't try because he knew it would probably end in failure. That's just the kind of man Misumi is: he is prudent and has no courage when the odds are against him.
>>288446561How is it justified to kill innocent small animals to test aim? Might as well say it's justified of Taira to decapitate women to test his subject's loyalty.
>>288446771>has no courage when the odds are against himJust like Ryumon.
>>288446311It's a seinen sausage fest mango anon, there's basically only dudes, at least for now.
>>288446771It was acknowledged by a visual and was stated as possible. There is nothing to hint at it, or imply, that it wasn't. He didn't do it because he knew that it wasn't the way to go about it.
>>288446882Will there be sumo wrestling?
>>288446890His daydream version of himself suddenly gaining elite kung fu skills that he's never displayed before or since should be a hint, anon.
Why the fuck is the narrator feeding Yayakichi's backstory in a monologue while sad music plays, are they trying to give me a lecture or to make me sad? Everything in it should either be told through flashback from Yayakichi's pov or not at all. Narrators are for exposition and information not for the emotional background of a tragedy that is the main subject and the emotional core of an episode. How tonedeaf. And don't tell me it's a matter of screentime, the entire backstory could have fit under a minute of animation.
>>288446951>Walking straight ahead with a blade>Elite kung fu skillsI don't know why would someone rather believe that it was a choice of cowardice rather than one of wisdom. Musumi literally had his revenge in front of him and yet held off to follow the correct path, it's a great character moment because it shows both his mettle and the effect Saki had on him.
>>288447079It’s an artistic decision. It’s supposed to be like a eulogy being played as he’s about to die. I found it effective.
>>288447110What makes you think it would be that easy for Misumi to just grab the sword from that guard and strike the killing blow? Now he might get lucky, but it could very easily play out differently, which Misumi is certainly aware of.
>>288447152I didn't. Frankly it sounded like an outline for a story the mangaka was too lazy to develop and show properly. To each their own I suppose.
>>288446839Surely you're aware that nobility in the pre-modern ages used to practice hunting to hone the skills that are relevant for warfare? Seems very silly to judge her by modern PETA standards whereby everyone who eats meat or wears fur is a bad person.
Another ass boring nothing happens trash episode.Only midwits can enjoy this.
>>288447184That's the tax collector. He was laughing and dancing while looking at Denki in that moment and wasn't looking at Musumi. Taking the sword and striking the throat is an easy task.I don't even know why you hyperfocus on the practicality of the scene rather than its point. This is supposed to be his moment of clarity, where his resolve to change Yamato manifests. The show literally spills it out for you.
>>288447353
>>288447233The manga heavily emulates historical literature despite being fiction but the anime punch this scene up a lot in particular which I'm not really sure works as well
>>288447353Yeah I still like the show but honestly the story is not told in the most optimal ways. I'll give it the benefit of the doubt until side part does his thing but if it's not good yeah I'm out. Tsune-chan gets no screentime too
>>288447110>How to tell people you've never been in a physical confrontation without actually telling them
>>288447079>>288447152It is not a eulogy, you fucktard.It is history. This whole show is mostly trying to do be a dramatic historic play. It is all a history lesson about a fictional country, with a lot of real life history used as "inspiration", but we sre also seeing a bit behind the curtain. A prolonged info dump.And it sucks.
So are they just going to not do the scene where Ryuumon visits Kaku and reacts to news of Hei's death
>>288447266>whereby everyone who eats meat or wears fur is a bad personTerrible strawman. She neither ate nor wore the snake. She didn't kill it for any justifiable purpose. The camera even lingered on its impaled corpse as she fucked off. She's a psychotic bitch.
I understand what felt off about the episode now. In the manga the emotional focus was on Yasuke acknowledging his fathers sacrifice and receiving the torch but the anime shifted the focus to Yayakichi and Ouga even at the expense of developing Yasuke which I fear would undermine the emotional impact of the resolution of this arc
>>288447408Yeah I was gonna say it looks like they're trying to be LoGH but usually LoGH knew how to distinguish between things that could be told and things that had to happen on screen. Not to mention it gave depth to current events by looking at them from far off into the future or punctuating events on screen with juicy details (ex: Lang dies, "oh by the way he was kind to his wife and a philantropist"), but neither happen here. The scene of him playing muppets for Oga unironically lifts a lot more weight for your emotions that this half baked wannabe eulogy against a sad guitar.Maybe this is the result of the mangaka underselling it which prompted the anime to blow it out of proportion, resulting in this ankwardness.
>>288447739In the manga Yayakichi's last words are said after his execution is decided and then the narration happens to the backdrop of his crucification without any dialogue
>>288443070>cannot imagine anyone watching this show would ever consider it a good idea to just accept Taira's demand for unconditional surrender without putting up a fight.I do. For the people it literally doesn't matter who rules them. They ruleres just want to unify Japan and do whatever reforms they can to enrich the country and themselves.Even if Taira executes a few random comonnons, others probably do that too, and even more will die in a big war.The wars in the anime are excessively for the elite.
>>288447472It can serve as both eulogy and history.
>>288447829The whole anime is done in that style. Therefore it loses the eulogy rights.
>>288441709her whole fucking problem is that she sucks at being evil woman
I teared up
>>288441463>>288446168White snakes with red eyes symbolize good fortune in Japan, so by killing it she's killing her own good luck. It can also be killing the traitor (snake) but that's probably not intentional.
>>288448063Thanks. Interesting. She really is a total mess.
>>288447500>>288446839>>288446300>>288446168This gotta be the absolute peak of autism to get worked up about the most basic bitch visual metaphor as though it's meant to be an advertisement for hunting endangered species to extinction.>wajima gets the perfect shot at the snake (dragon (ryumon)) under optimal calm conditions but then bungles the shot at ryumon under difficult conditionsWhat could the scene possibly have been meant to convey in the context of the story? >oh i know, it's meant to say she likes to torturte heckin innocent pupperinos and is therefore evilGet real, sperg.>>288448063Good observation, these probably play into it, too. I do think it's multilayered, but the part about "Tiger vs Dragon" is really on the nose, just like picrel from GoT.
>>288447824>For the people it literally doesn't matter who rules them.I don't think that's true at all and the anime makes it plenty clear that Taira's cruel conduct is not limited to isolated incidents. We never see this kind of behaviour from Seii at least and don't know yet what goes on in Buo. The best case you can make for Taira is that he's an efficient administrator who is capable of keeping his tyranny stable even though it sucks. Whereas Seii's leadership is far more humane but sadly less capable and therefore doomed to fall under Taira's dominion before long.
Finally japan has an actual legit adversary to ravages of time
>>288448206You're the sperg here, ignoring that she did kill the snake. I don't care about your symbolism or metaphors. It's something that her character did within the narrative. Unless your argument is that it was merely a hallucination instead of a diegetic event, your sperging about symbolism is irrelevant.
>>288443070>I cannot imagine anyone watching this show would ever consider it a good idea to just accept Taira's demand for unconditional surrender without putting up a fightI do too. Honestly Seii appears completely unsustainable as a country. Like Middle Francia tier. It's small, the cold climate makes it harder to grow crops than in its much bigger expansionnist neighbor, and it lost several conflicts in a row. Most likely the only reason it still exists is because it's hard to invade, but even that won't save you if you can't grow your own ressources. At least if Yamato conquered Seii Seii people would eat, I'm pretty sure. If Seii conquered Yamato too but that doesn't seem realistic, I can't lie.
>>288448611>Whereas Seii's leadership is far more humane but sadly less capable and therefore doomed to fall under Taira's dominion before long.Ryumon and his supporters would be responsible for that though. There is a legitimate point to be made that they only put in effort against Seii while ignoring all of Taira's transgressions.
>>288443806It's not nationalism to try and make the most of your father's sacrifice, especially if you can't save him anymore and it's what he would have wanted.
>>288443806I can't believe the pipe applies to sons, too.
>>288442154Pure guess that it suppose to led us into position where we don't like yamato and seii but we are okay with chopping off both leaders heads.>>288445431>This is why female dictators aren't a thing irl. Too emotional.As a receiver of Catherine the Great external policies fuck off.
>>288448063Thanks I knew those meant something but I didn't remember what
>>288446300>But why?reference to Liu Biang beheading the white snake at the start of conflict
Tora-chan is so cute
>a clan was founded by a youtuber
yayakichi direct counter part of 3 kingdoms is cheng gong
>>288449199Why not, doesn't matter how trust and fame are built so long as people will gather around you.And since there was clearly a war on knowledge and technology going on a popular youtuber is particularly legitimate
>>288443806The subjugation of the Yamato savages ain't free, the tree of barbarian supremacy has to be watered with the blood of traitors, Taira Denki aka Fat Bastard is not my president. He is from an upstart clan and probably a foreigner as well :DD Wajima and SEII not Taira and YAMATO ok. Son'i Toukan.TL/N: (尊夷討奸 means venerate the barbarian and subjugate the villainous)
>>288448754>Honestly Seii appears completely unsustainable as a country.Haven't these 3 states been in a stable equilibrium for a century at the start of the story? The increasingly cold climate seems to be more of a recent problem stirring unrest in Seii. I'll concede that the fact Seii's previous president was willing to surrender unconditionally(!) suggests that their economic situation is dire. But to me it seems that they could survive as an independent nation if they are resolved to endure economic hardship and play defensively against Yamato. Maybe they could've conquered Yamato if everything went perfectly and Muuton didn't fail at his task or better yet, successfully carried out the night raid. But that ship has sailed, yeah. Nevermind that we already know that Aoteru is going to unify Japan anyway.>At least if Yamato conquered Seii Seii people would eatThat's probably what the president thought too, but I think he was wrong about that. Even Yamato peasants are taxed to shit as we have seen, why should Seii's population fare any better as a Yamato province under Taira rule? Conditions in Seii are unlikely to improve for the people if the Yamato administration acts the same there as they do at home. It seems the president heavily underestimated the Taira corruption. Clearly he wanted to avoid pointless bloodshed, but the bloodshed might not be quite so pointless if it prevents the exploitation of Seii by the Taira.
>>288446311There's some women later on but probably not in this season, it's all handsome fellas for now.
>>288449541I like Aterui's daughter
>>288443070Denki's demand was unreasonable on purpose. But the president accepted because it was the best solution from a practical viewpoint. Yamato has a food surplus that made their army stronger, Seii has a food shortage. Yamato is relatively safe, Seii had Kura and his gang who were causing problems throughout the country. The populace won't care as long as they are well-fed and protected and the corrupt politician will find some way to hold on to their position.
I don't give a single fuck about these characters why did this shitty story shift focus from these two? This is so disappointing.
>>288449705They’re building up to them
>>288449729It's episode 9 out of 12. They're supposed to be the main characters and the heart of this show yet they have been put in the background while we watch these literal whos fight this who-gives-a-fuck war.
>>288449705They'll get their time
>>288449756This whole season is just a really long prologue
>>288449810Well I know for sure this garbage isn't getting a season 2 that's for sure.
>>288449199Speaking of clan founders, is Taira a fraud? I looked up the historical clan and it appears that it slowly disappeared from history after the Genpei War (concluded 1185 AD) where the enemies of the OG Taira came out victorious. Misumi said in the 1st episode that the Taira clan is a holdover from the Japan era where they were already powerful and important. But that's not the case in actual reality, there has been no big important Taira family dynasty in Japan for centuries. So either Nippon Sangoku is set in an alternate history where the Taira survived the Genpai war all the way into the modern day and beyond. Or the Taira founders just took up the name to larp as ancient samurai despite being random assholes. Does the manga clear up which is the case?
>>288449829They used to be Ezaki. Taira was given to them by a lord the founder served.
>>288448977>As a receiver of Catherine the Great external policies fuck off.qrd?
this show blows
do people really care about any of these characters
>>288449869But that still means Misumi got it wrong, no? Then the Taira name was just randomly revived after the fall of Japan and the fat bastard has zero relation to any samurai from ancient times.What about the emperor btw? Is he legit or was the succession broken by the apocalypse?
>It's over.
>>288449965It's a "claim some ancient name to get some legitimacy/nobility redounded upon you" thing like the Later Han, the Northern Han, the Later Hojou and so on and so forth.
>>288449965I just checked and Misumi said the Taira family has been active since "before the founding of Yamato"
>>288449695>The populace won't care as long as they are well-fed and protectedThat's where the president miscalculated. Yamato peasants aren't exactly well-fed either despite inhabiting the more fertile lands due to getting overtaxed by the Taira. If the Taira extended that same policy to Seii after conquest, then for Seii's populace it would mean jumping from the frying pan into the fire.
>>288448206I think this sperg might just be a /co/ sperg, we get more of them on this board nowadays now that cartoons are a dead industry, and they get very hung up on things like "babby's first moral dilemma" or "babby's first major morally gray character" and insist that a character doing bad things without being immediately punished for them is bad writing.
>>288450129They are well-fed compared to the Seii populace. In addition, with Misumi's policy they only increased the amount of food they had. It's easy to see from afar that they are in a better position when it comes to that front. And while the Taira tax is bad from what we have seen it is manageable by most of the citizens.The situation in Yamato isn't perfect, but it's definitely better than Seii. The president's choice was right. But like he said only future generations get to decide that and it's up to Ouga to prove that she made the right choice.
Aoteru and Tsune-chan-san have been absent too long from the story, are we sure they are the main characters?
Ohga sucks as leader and dictator. Nagao had the right idea, she should be shaking her fat tits on stage instead.
>>288450322>The president's choice was right.Agreeing to an unconditional surrender when you still have leverage is never the right choice. If he thought that Taira was sending his missive in good faith, he should've tried to negotiate some minimal conditions. If he had realized that Taira was sending his missive in bad faith and just wanted to provoke Seii, then he should've rebuffed it and prepared defenses. There was nothing to gain for the president from surrendering unconditionally.
>>288450348Misumi definitely is but people expecting tsune to have equal screen time even in the manga while be left disappointed
>>288450348You seem to be lost, sir, this is the Ryumon Mitsuhide show
>>288450348Next arc anon...Meaning next season, if there's one, that is.
>>288450348Anon, I have bad news for you.
>>288450544Seii has no leverage over Yamato. The latter has more soldier, more rations, a more tight-knit military structure, and a more stable governance. If the president had chosen war he would have started a losing one where governors would have joined Yamato one by one. Since most of the government was in the pro-surrender camp already.If he truly cared about the safety of the people then surrendering, even unconditional, make sense. The alternative is going into a losing war that gives Yamato the excuse to be cruel to his people.
>>288450911But they do have leverage. By resisting conquest militarily, they can impose a great cost on Yamato. A cost Yamato might want to avoid if they can manage to have Seii surrender by making some concessions which cost less. In the very image you have posted it's acknowledged that a Yamato victory in a northern expedition is not at all guaranteed. Meanwhile unconditional surrender means for Seii to place their very life and liberty in the hands of Taira, for him to do with as he pleases. Why should you trust a guy like that to be merciful and not be cruel to his defeated adversaries anyway? You can't even protest his cruelty then, since you consented to it already. This isn't even getting into the fact that Taira never expected them to meekly lie down and die anyway but was just aiming to create a casus belli and fuck over his internal rivals.
>>288441550The Ryomon music was weird. Yayakichis execution was good
>>288441231Generational aura loss, I'm team yamato now
>>288443806Very good dogeza I rate it 9/10
>>288441284Exceedingly based. Her final defeat should be done Angolmois style. It's only right and proper for that kind of era.
>>288451445She never had any to begin with. She’s built nice, and I want my cock lovingly sucked by her, but she wasn’t a “cool” character. Aoteru‘s dead wife was cool though.
>>288451235A war will cost Seii and its people even more. The price for it will be paid by them afterward, assuming the country would have still existed by then. From the president POV, if he truly cares about the wellbeing of his people, it makes sense to avoid a pointless war that will only incur heavier losses both during and afterward.As for Taira, even if he wants a certain reaction he will still win if the reaction was different. In both cases the victory would be attributed to him.
>>288452025It's never pointless to defend your freedom if you can.
>>288452167Do you think Denki would have put the people in chains and started whipping them? At worst Seii would have been seceded by Yamato. But at least then the people would have something to eat.President made a choice that he thought was the best at the time. Ouga objected and killed him, now it's up to her to prove that her choice was the right one. Future generations are the ones to decide and all that.
>>288452362Ouga made the right choice to depose of the traitorous president, but made the wrong choice to gamble it all on an offensive campaign against Yamato. It's pretty obvious.
>>288451911It's off screen kek
>>288452468If it wasn't for the offensive campaign she wouldn't have maintained her position. Rallying against Yamato was necessary to unify the people against a common enemy. In that sense her first action was wrong because she had no better alternative from the start.That's her problem as a leader. She never thought long-term.
>>288450348let me tell you something, i know historical faction war have main POV's to follow the war but 3 kingdoms have atleast 30 main players in the factions and none of them are the main focus for a long time of period.
>Behead those who hurt the feelings of our big titty commander!
>>288452687She can rally against Yamato without striking too deep into their territory. The first part of her plan - luring the Yamato expedition army into her home turf - was sound, but I'd say the better followup would've been to use her main force just to encircle the expedition army and crush it, instead of going for all-out conquest. Anyway, you keep glossing over the fact that Taira evidently wanted war with Seii, so there is nothing for Seii to do but prepare for war. There is no peaceful solution.>>288452362>Do you think Denki would have put the people in chains and started whipping them?Who knows what the fat fuck would do if the people of Seii had actually been retarded enough to surrender unconditionally? He isn't even nice to his own people and slaughters them gruesomely over minor offenses, so why would anyone expect him to treat conquered enemies well?
>>288441231This was the first episode I enjoyed in a bit. Who knew taking itself a bit seriously instead of 24/7 repetitive gags could do that? Still funny how irrelevant the two "protagonists" have been though.
>>288452886People itt know nothing of the series anon. They just won't get it and complain otherwise meanwhile the author posts about 3kingdoms on their social media
>>288453789A lot of people are a bunch of simpletons, simple as
>>288445631Of course Taira is the most politically savvy. but tits is objectively more likable.
>>288446168Idk can you really say a snake is innocent...I bet it was plotting something. don't trust 'em.
>>288447152>I found it effective.Same. Don't listen to the opinionated retards, anon.
>>288445574>they're rapists tooIt keeps happening
>>288443545Still, I don't think the reunifying Japan reducing the blood shed is so bad
>>288443070a lot of Anon in this thread respect the Ryumon aura, so if he said that we should not defect from the Taira tiranny and to fight alongside the Big Tits dictaor, this is what is rightI somehow suspect that the reason why Ryumon doesn't want to ally with Seii its because it is an horse that is going to lose or the victory would be a bad victory
According to a tweet from Nippon Sangoku author, he is following the Three Kingdoms timeline, and he said: "Yamato corresponds to “Cao Wei/Western Jin,” Buō to “Shu Han,” and Seii to “Eastern Wu.”"
>>288444802>Agents of the Four Seasons recently got one too.Should've had one from the start and I wouldn't have dropped it desu.
>>288454674I figured Ryumon dismisses the idea of allying with Seii because he knows that Ohga hates his fucking guts, so there is no way to make it happen anyway. He also appears to be a "my country right or wrong" kind of guy.
>>288453032Denki is cruel but not stupid or delusional. He doesn't kill Ryumon despite him being a thorn on his side, for example. He won't antagonize the populace of Seii just because.And again, what will determine who was right will be the result. If Ouga wins then her choice was right, if she loses then she's a fool who rejected an easier solution.
>>288454971Needs a cigar, but otherwise, this is good.So frustrating that everything takes place in a Season as opposed to a calendar date, like LoGH did. I had been working on an ad-hoc timeline, but the only new data that I got was that Yayakichi Hei was born in Yamato 2.
So is the "main" character gonna get any screentime before the end of the season?What the fuck is this
>>288455152He does a [Speech 100] thing next ep.
>>288454876>He doesn't kill Ryumon despite him being a thorn on his side, for example. The way it appears he engineered the whole situation so that he could finally get rid Ryumon with a good pretext, even being willing to sacrifice his son to that end.>He won't antagonize the populace of Seii just because.Sure. He will antagonize the populace of Seii specifically because he's a greedy fuck, like he's antagonizing the populace of Yamato already.>If Ouga wins then her choice was right, if she loses then she's a fool who rejected an easier solution.No, it's not quite so easy. The validity of a choice is not determined by hindsight. It's determined by the question whether it was a reasonable choice given the information available at the time. Obviously we already know that Ouga cannot ultimately win regardless of what she tries, since the premise of the story is that Aoteru will eventually slamdunk the Japanese unification for Yamato. It doesn't follow that Seii should've unconditionally surrendered. As a general rule, nobody surrenders unconditionally unless they're already standing with the back against the wall. Unconditional surrenders and the demands for such are extremely fucking rare in world history, because it gives a cornered enemy a strong incentive to fight really fucking hard to avoid such a fate and drives up the cost of war for all involved. Taira certainly knows this too, hence the shocked reaction of his entire court, so why do you keep pretending it's a reasonable course of action? Ryumon, who always acts as the voice of reason in these meetings, even begs Taira to rescind the demand for surrender, knowing full well it'll create a headache. And again, unconditional surrender vs aggressive western expedition are not actually the only two possible choices for Seii here. There's a lot inbetween, so a failure of the western expedition doesn't prove by itself that surrender without any resistence would've been the best option all along.
>>288455428The president accepted a solution that was in the best interest of his people. Ouga rejected it and picked her own by force. Therefore it is up to her to prove that her choice was the right now.It's that simple.
>>288455503>The president accepted a solution that was in the best interest of his people.Proof? You contend that, but it's absolutely possible that the outcome would be way worse to let the people of Seii be enslaved by Taira without even putting up a fight.
>>288455543Yamato has food, Seii doesn't. The extra rations alone is more than an incentive to negotiate. And given the information the government had at the time it makes sense to avoid a battle where the famine keeps on increasing.Again, Taira is cruel but his not stupid. He knows politics.
>>288455586There is no negotation, that's what "unconditional surrender" means. It means Taira gets to set the terms whichever way he pleases and Seii gets to take it up the ass. Notably the demand for unconditional surrender doesn't include a promise for extra rations or anything else. That's what makes it unconditional. Taira can very well just send his army up to Seii to disarms their guys, tell them that all their taxes flow to Yamato now, get increased by 100%, and that any famine remains their problem. Nothing in the story suggests that he would do anything that will make life in Seii easier or better for the people there.
>>288455670Nor does it suggest that he'll make their lives any worse than those in Yamato, or worse than what it is now.If you are seeking for an actual acknwoldgement from the story then no, you won't find it. The story doesn't go over an alternate timeline where we see the results of accepting the surrender. It is left ambiguous. Which is more of the reason why Ouga has to win. Her failure confirms that she choose wrong, while the previous solutions would always have the possibility of success. Something something future generations something.
>>288455729Given that Taira has demonstrably zero concern for the wellbeing of the common people and only concern for squeezing as much tax money and resources out of them as he can get away with, the story very much suggests that surrendering to a man like Taira without getting at least some minimal concessions from him (like "no higher taxes than before" or whatever) would make their life worse. There's nothing to stop Taira from going full Holodomor or Great Leap Forward on Seii's ass once they have laid down their arms. I wouldn't risk that and I don't believe you would risk it either when you still got other options.
>>288455803If you want to believe that then sure. It's left in the air anyway, 50/50 chance of success.For Ouga though, it will be either a 0 or 100. By the end of the arc we will get our answer.
I'm just not feeling the show anymore, at the beginning it felt a lot more dynamic and ineresting that it seems to actually be.
>>288455152Potential Man...
>>288455895this isnt shonen shit like kingdom
>>288454876She doesn't need to win to be right. Just putting up a good fight lets them negotiate on better terms when the conflict ends.
>>288454842>He also appears to be a "my country right or wrong" kind of guy.He does not agree with Denki raping everyone, but by Buddha, he will defend to the death Denki's right to rape everyone? What an upstanding guy. A fucking hero.
>>288456178Why is it impossible to criticize a show on this dumbass board without someone resorting to shonen whataboutism
>>288455152I think that the problem is that what sold this story to people was how relatable the main character was to a general struggle we all can empathize with, but then the show totally forget this character exists and dwells into a lot of other things that are just not really appealing with characters that are ok I guess but is hard to care about, the big titty chick that the show is trying to sell so hard is really not interesting at all outside of her big titties, did I mention her big titties yet? And then you have... eyepatch dude? But I don't know, last week episode made me lose my interest on him. Can't believe I miss the fatso.
>>288456383It sold a story of revenge then immediately cucked out in record time. The fat bastard is necessary! If they kill him the number of killers in the world remains the same! No matter his crimes, he's still their countryman and superior to a foreigner because Yamato Damashii! Sugoi! Yamato Banzai! And you're supposed to think these worthless cucks are badasa heroes?
>main character won't marry the big tiddy goth socialist dictator to unify two factions because "muh wife" even though this would overthrow the guy that killed his wife>main character will never fuck his best friend twink because "muh wife"
>>288456578I can't not think of Bucciarati whenever I see this dude.
>>288456578>>main character will never fuck his best friend twink because "muh wife"Uhh, I think that's more just because he's not gay.
>>288456425If he finished the revenge this easily the show would be over quick, no? You gotta have more trust on the plan. I think it gets back to him next but i'm not sure if it's only for a moment.
>>288441304>What the hell was that weird guitar rift when Ryumon came backit was pure, unadulterated soul
>>288458008From the manga readers it turns out that Denki is still alive far into the story doing the same routine over and over while the heroes are still simultaneously badass and unstoppable against other countries yet completely incapable and incompetent when it comes to dealing with fatass. It's nothing but baiting and plot armor. Desperately wanting you to think these characters are so damn cool and intelligent all while turning into groveling cucks in the invincible pig's presence.
>>288456578What a brainlet post
>>288441683he's literally kircheis
>>288458193Denki is actually really based in the manga. I'm sad we won't get to him
Winebros where we at
>>288458798Reporting in
I get how him taking the fall for her could restore her authority, but surely "I was the one who put her in charge to be my puppet" undermines that whole idea
>>288458958Read the manga is my answer to this post
>>288458958Her learning to openly defy his puppetry and executing him for lying to her is a workable narrative. Especially with the capacity to crybully that only women can achieve.
>>288458958Her family and father was the leading clan but her brothers were super useless and she is fairly competent (and hot as fuck)
Oh yeah, this guy was supposed to be our main character
>>288458784So that's basically admitting they'll never fucking deal with this guy despite baiting revenge as a premise. This will be the whole story. Everyone cucking to the pig over and over and over while pretending to be genius badasses with unmatched strategic awareness. But let's grovel as Pig Man rapes our wives. For the stability of our country! It can't be helped!
>>288459168Taira Denki is actually basically asexual
>>288459146The weekly 30 seconds of "he's gonna be important soon guys we promise" at the end of the episode.What a joke
I can't believe half this thread doesn't know how to read and needs to be forcefed everything or they complain
>>288459465They probably just didn't read the romance of the three kingdoms growing up
>despite rape being prevalent within the warfare, this body remains chaste until the end of the arc What a waste.I bet the author is a herbivore man who isn't even the patriarch in his own household.
>>288441231Every war story should include rape scenes.
>>288459575Isn't that why she lets her men rape Yamato women? So they get their frustrations out and leave her alone? She's evil.
>>288441231Watched the episode. Interesting turn of events. Was the guard killed in the fake coup another true believer guy that was in on it or just a poor sap? It's kind of messed up to cry so much over the strategist and just ignore the guard if he was collateral damage. Damn.
>>288441231Maybe it's just me but I feel like her breasts are so much bigger in the manga.
>>288459589I will personally write into the history books that every man in Yamato's army blew a load inside Wajira as punishment for her insolence
>>288459533They need to realize some things aren't for them but written by a fan of X series for other fans of x series.
>>288459239How does he have a son then?
>>288441852I mean it's only because the Japanese are a retarded, top-down society.>>288442154They're all the bad guy. There is only one Japan, and none of these pretenders are fit to rule.
>>288458798I knew I'd heard that line somewhere before.
So is anybody autistic gonna make a grand strategy mod based on the manga?
>>288459465>>288459533A lot of the criticisms seems to be from people who aren't familiar with political series and expect something else.Many of the writing decisions and plot beats are similar to other works in the genre. If you don't like it then it's simply not for you.
>>288461286 Similar is an understatement lmao 90% of plot points are just lifted from RoTK
>>288461286You know what would make this better? a political talk over mahjong
>>288441231Sell me this anime
>>288461601No reason to cry over this dude when he killed a poor unsuspecting guard
this is interesting, it would appear they took this old world building and turned it into a castle.
>>288461511Romance of the Three Kingdoms in post apocalyptic Japan
yamakichi died for seii's sins
>>288462138He killed a guard
>>288449829it's not really a fraud. most japs could probably trace an ancestor back to the taira clan if they dug hard enough. it also gives nice legitimacy to yourself. oda nobunaga also did that with no actual evidence.
>>288462407also, an important note, taira no chikazane was the last living member of the taira clan, so in effect oda was basically claiming to be the true legitimate heirs to the taira clan.
>>288461872Soldered
>>288442356What does it mean? I don't remember when it was said. I know the individual kanji, but I still don't understand it.
>>288463389極まりない is a formal way of saying extremely and 草 is the Japanese equipment of LMAO. So the sentence in >>288443588 roughly translates to "Ouga got so scared by his presence she ran away which is LMAO to the extreme"
>>288442154Yamato feels a lot more realistic. We have mandatory military service in my country, and I will have to serve a year in a few months. On one hand we have stories of war heroes and nationalist ideals and the honour of dying for your country, on the other I look at the current state of things and I so corruption everywhere to the point that people see it as just common sense to abuse your position for personal gain. There's a feeling where you have multiple choices and none of them are right.
>>288463589This is annoying. Why do 極める and 極まりない mean the same thing when one of them is conjugated as a negative? And why does 'grass' mean LMAO? I hate Japanese.But thank you for explaining it to me.
>>288441231i like this anime
Since we are beyond volume 3's content I'll post the extra.It's background info on the clans and some characters, so no spoilers here.
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>>288465539Done.
>>288443588yea i couldnt help but think that this entire episode she gets flustered a lot
im liking this anime but whats with the fujo/bishounen designs? also why is the main character barely involved
I would do anything for tiger tits
>>288466321im confused is her name Ohga or Tora
>>288465457>and in recognition of thisuhhh
Taira did nothing wrong, if the fags can't coup him then it prove he's the strongest. He doesn't waste a whole episode to crucify someone(only to kill him with a spear right after), he only take 5second to behead someone, this is the difference in talent and experience with someone of infinite compassion like him.Also he is unironically playing 5d chess, ready to sacrifce his retarded kid in order to either make him smarter or save the nation. He predicted everything.Trust the shogun, imperial cucks have ruined japan already during meiji.
>>288443588Well, as we learned this episode, she's hardly a leader anyway and more of a sexy moe figurehead puppeteered by the Hei clan. Only where Taira is using fear to control his puppet emperor, Hei used love and affection.
Given the popularity of this show now, where are the manga threads? Or rather, why haven't I seen one?
>>288466416*Olga
>>288466416Ouga is written with the characters for sakura and tiger (tora)Tora-chan was a nickname Yayakichi called Ouga in private
>>288463931笑 -> wara -> w -> www --> hey that kinda looks like grass -> 草
>>288466416Orga
>>288466416Onahole.
>>288467130no translations
>>288469383Don't call my commander an onahole.
>>288459729They look as big in the anime no? I feel like the black sweater is nerfing her though, she looked bigger and better with the rain coat
>>288469431Cummander.
>>288461820The structure is quite similar to an hospital imo
>>288465443no Date clan? Who is ruling the north?
>>288452886RotK has a very strong focus on the 3 brothers and Zhuge Liang, while this show shows the Zhuge equivalent for 1 episode to bait people in then waste the rest of the time on an old guy and his homo buddy.
is there more material for s2
Wajima Ouga deserves a happy ending.
Ugliest homo of the year award (no, it's not me, shut up)
>>288470241>(no, it's not me, shut up)its your top
>>288465559>black>from the line of slavesuh-oh problematic
>>288441231Think this is the first time I have ever seen a female dictator in an anime. Or at least one that wasn't retarded.
>>288465539>>288465559Thanks for these Anon. This is what I have for characters so far:>Yamato 0: Empire of Yamato Established>Yamato 2: Birth of Yayakichi Hei>Yamato 12/Seiki 3: Birth of Sato Yoshinaga>Yamato 29/Seiki 20: Birth of Sugoh Gou, Birth of Nagamine Shiryou>Yamato 30/Seiki 21: Birth of Hiraizumi Hina>Yamato 31/Seiki 22: Birth of Tamaki Junichi>Yamato 39/Seiki 30: Yoshitsune Asama is born>Yamato 40/Seiki 31: Saki Higashimachi is born>Yamato 41/Seiki 32: Misumi Aoteru is born
>>288470487Are his sons are sharp as he is? Seems like the one with the scars would have a badass story.
>>288470441>Or at least one that wasn't retardedBut everyone is retarded in this
We did not need a whole ass episode to cover the strategist taking the fall for Tora
Yes we did, nerd.
why do I feel like the developments in this show are super simple but get dramatized to high heaven
>>288471535Because nothing really impressive happens, and so far everything is decided by pure luck so is kind of lame, all of these characters are supposed to be ultra geniuses but everyone just come up as retarded.
Maybe people should stick with Frieren. I heard it's very popular with the cool kids.
>>288471789>but everyone just come up as retarded.like whom
>>288472060i like both
>>288472060Maybe people who can't tolerate criticism should go back to their hugbox
>>288472564>implying 4chan isnt a hugbox
It is the tendency of the world, that the empire long united will splinter and long splintered the empire will unite.
