Today's lesson is that learning is fun.Don't let any disabilities stop you from exploring the world.
Tartah is a good boy. He deserves to keep his memory.
loco for coco's cocos
>>288476527He's a fun guy.Like a mushroom.
>>288476540Impossible.
the lack of porn is criminal but ill be rereading the manga once the anime ends since i dont remember shit
>>288476497anyone one else still downloading but don't bother to watch this garbage
Who stole my daughters color?
>>288476527He's a good kid but Coco is for Qifrey
>>288476765You can like a female character without wanting to have sex with them. Don't jerk off to the girls. They're good kids.
>>288476497Kind of hard for me to suspend my disbelief that people telling him he'd never amount to anything would be enough to hold him back from taking advantage of being born in the right class to try to learn as much as he can regardless, when we're talking about things like flying shoes. Being able to fly isn't going to solve his complex, but if you're not so mentally defeated that you're full-on shut-in, you're probably still going to learn to fly.
Imagine how powerful guns would be in this universe >erm, just let me get my pen and pa-ACK!!
>>288476883>You can like a female character without wanting to have sex with them.Is this what they call "asexual"?
Tetia's dream hat is suspiciously unorthodox. Better memory wipe for safe measure.
>>288476883based
>>288476941Most definitely
>>288476883but im coconuts
Pink Coco.
Coco was really hot this episode.
>the way tartah and coco look at each otherjust fuck already.
>>288477018Their punishment in the future will also come in twos.
>>288476527cute and canon
>>288477070cute platonic friends
>>288476907Honestly we don't even know if he has clearance to draw spells on his own in public. His master may not be licensed to actually teach magic, because it is just a stationery shop.
>>288477085>witches society always loosely based on british society>which means you need to have loicense n shieet to do stuffdamn i didn't even realize.
>>288477085Yeah, there are a lot of unknowns. I was working on the assumption that he didn't actually have any options until his declaration at the end of this episode, though that doesn't exactly prove otherwise.
>>288477032>engraves the lids or glasswow i can do magic now. good thing my colour blindness didn't limit my potential and foster resentment towards the witch community
>>288477157>helping cripplesIf God wanted them to be happy he wouldn't have crippled them.
>>288476941>>288477018>>288477065Fun little parallel I don't think I caught originally.
>>288477070>scratches out his face with black ink>cuts out a photo of my face and places it over his>puts up another photo of me and coco on my wall shrine
>>288477144Can I see your realization license?
Will Tetia get a love interest like Coco got Tartah?
>>288477360She wiil get the yandere prince.
>>288477325Based. Big respect.
>>288477360>anon can't tell childhood friendship from romantic loveMany such cases
>>288476640what is this face trying to convey?
>>288476883>You can like a female character without wanting to have sex with them.When I agree with this usually...Richeh and Coco at least need lewds If not them getting fucked.
>>288477606Snug smug.
>>288477386Coco is straight and the author interact with the western fanbase so she'll hesitate before making Coco/Qifrey endgame. Tartah wins by default
>>288477193Yeah, and I'm sure it's going to continue with whatever we get out of the newest arcDouble Dragon
>>288477795I love Coco's scar so much.
>literally can do anything>they do nothingGotta be the dumbest society ever put in anime.
>>288477972they had 1 war and decided to create the strictest, most hardline society possible to ensure that there is literally never any more wars ever again.its a bit of an overreaction desu
Character development
>>288478208Good writing.
>>288477048>Quiffrey sensei... come back to bed...
>>288478199reads like the whole western hemisphere after world war II
i hate that i want to enjoy this show but something is always off
This show is hard carried by its animation and overall presentation. Apart from those, everything about it is utterly unremarkable.
>>288478603The Solo Leveling of our generation.
This show is hard carried by its animation and incredibly erotic main cast. Apart from those, everything about it is utterly unremarkable.
>>288478199Gee, where have we heard that before?
>>288478667Imagine getting bombed and the ones bombing you say, "Come on and trade with us already"... America really hasn't changed in over 150 years.
>>288478638I dunno, them casually breaking the laws of thermodynamics is pretty cool I think.
You can't make someone fly but you can make something that make you fly, you can't make someone explode but you can make a sword that make you explode, you can't teleport someone but you can make something that teleport you, if every single thing has a roundabout way to work then what's the point of any law?
>>288478761This is from the same nation that gets around prostitution and pornography bans by operating oral sex brothels and pixelating genitals.
TarCo Supremacy
>>288478706It seems unreasonable, when you look at it from the perspective of our universe, but such a system would be totally normal in a world where you can generate energy out of nothing. If you can accept some ink on paper generating a ball of fire that lasts for many hours with no fuel, it's actually a leap BACKWARDS to accept that a wind spell can move the system it is a part of.
>>288478899Yes, but why aren't they just making perpetual motion machines everywhere to power their machines?Or maybe they did and that was forbidden knowledge. This is a post-apocalyptic setting, right?
>>288478819>OP and ED skippedTarCo director
>>288478761It actually is still illegal to kill people.
>>288477931Me too, brother. The mental one too.
>>288479159For you, maybe.
>>288479159Source?
>>288479159Not in the right places.
>>288478761You can't help someone fall asleep but you can wipe their memories.You can't teleport fluids between bottles because...It's a system of control, I'd be very disappointed if the author is actually intending to suggest the people deciding the specifics of these laws have completely pure intentions.
I want to take care of sick Coco, too...
>>288479549They decide which spell is allowed on a case-by-case basis. The linked bottles spell wasn't forbidden, it just was lost knowledge because its users were magical doctors who lost their rights to practice medicine.
>>288478761>Be Coco >Scribble flight magic onto my tiny witch feet >Fly so close to the Sun >Sweat a bit>AIEEEEEEEEEEE
>>288476497As a reminder for the rest of the world, there's glasses that can correct (non-magical) colorblindness.
Big fan of visual parallels.
oggulo has lolisex with aggot every night confirmed last episode btw
>>288479549the bottle content teleport is because they're used for medicinal purposes.i assume the pointy idiots blocked entire spells and classified them forbiden just because they're made by the wrong people.
>>288477606The girl that you thought couldn't get any more comfy, just found an entirely new level of comfy.
Every witch has a moral responsibility to harm members of the conehead gestapo at every available opportunity.
>>288477606The smugness of having been cummed inside
thing that never happened in the history of humanity except to anime girls
>>288480114magic vaccines haven't been invented yet please understand
>>288479951?!
>>288480114Exhaustion weakens your immune system making it easier for bacteria and viruses to cause infections
Realistically it would be super easy to overthrow the magic gestapo, all you need is a bunch of mooks with pre-prepared giant nuke spells on table sized sheets of paper, portal them next to the underwater city and delete it. That's probably like 90% of them. You then go on a portal spree dropping the special ink and instruction pamphlets across all major cities while the New Witch Order is crippled. Good luck containing it now, especially when the plebians find out you've been fucking lying about the healing magic rip bozo.
>>288480114>fell into a dirty cold river for several minutes>completely fine>slept a bit late after drawing too much>"I'M FUCKING DYING"
>>288479681
>>288480182they will just go nuclear and kill everyone there.once everyone in the city is dead, who's going to tell the other towns about it, they can't pull this shit on the capital either cause that would be a literal declaration of war against the normies. even the normie king thought so, thats why he bowed down to imply to the people that witches are above them, generating resentment.brimchads don't want a needless war between normies and witches, they want the witches to willingly share their magic or allow them to be the magic degenerate they wanted to be.
>>288480189It was probably both that caused the fever. All the mental stress combined with exhausting herself in that river the other day.
>>288480189>>288480297coco is cannonically going schizo.
>>288480114The Japanese Cold is literally more lethal than cancer or tuberculosis.
>>288476527>Tartah is a good boyYou know, until he mind rapes Coco in the manga.
>>288480182they will reverse time of something
Does anyone have that old edit from the storytime where anons rewrote the line "my specialty is drawing straight lines" to "my specialty is converting straight girls"?
>>288480182The amplification from the ink swap on a small spell is absurd, and it seems to be hinting that blood isn't an additive but the "real thing" while formerly-human-tree-blood is watered down, so you could probably wipe a capital with one spell on a sheet of a4 paper.
>>288480357Tartah is technically a Brimmed Hat now, so he is NO LONGER a good boy regardless.
So why is he not allowed to be a wizard again? It's literally just drawing.
>>288480465He's allowed, but it seems like no one wants to bother training someone who won't be able to do top level shit that involves colored inks
>>288480499Just label them?
>>288480465Complex spells involve colored dyes. Which is kinda stupid, because we see neither Quiffrey nor Olruggio, nor anybody use dyes that aren't black.
>>288480465Its basically like if a kid had dyslexia and then every English teacher decided he was a lost cause and not worth teaching so he went to trade school instead.
Man, episode 3 was so fucking good. It's been downhill ever since and I'm only still watching hoping it reaches the same heights again.
>>288480512And accidentally drop them, and a normalfag finds them? Are you out of your mind?>>288480182There are magic fax machines. Just change the ink to magic ink and letterbomb.
>>288480557>be normalfag>find a dropped vial of ink labelled "blue">"Ah yes, blue ink"???
>>288480574>send it to an artist, because wtf would a random peasant do with ink>his painting include something circular, with random shit inside>accidentally blow up half a cityYeah these are ridiculous scenarious but witch society is super secretive, to a degree of paranoia.
>>288480612What does seeing colours have anything to do with this?
>>288480512It's just plain inconvenient and he won't be able to interpret colored circles he didn't make himself. That said, I think it'd still be worth training him up to his potential since clearly you can achieve great effect just with basic black ink.
>>288480557>There are magic fax machines. Just change the ink to magic ink and letterbomb.I've been thinking about rubber stamps and a printing press since episode 1. With how much wobbly lines seem to affect things imagine how much you gain just from being able to stamp a perfect circle around your prepared spell.
Can people with down syndrome be witches?
What if the girls ended up in the Backrooms in episode four? How long could they have survived?
>>288476765Same, I've just been reading it physically and the delay between releases is so long that as I read volume 14 I realized I didn't remember fuck all about what had happened I don't even recall how Coco got that scar >>288477795
>>288478208Agott and Coco have to balance each other out to keep the equilibrium of their relationship
>>288481117So Coco is the top now and Agott is her submisdive bottom?
I know Coco was sick but damn, was she super sexy.
>>288481048Engendill, the former Wise of Friendship-turned-Brimhat who unleashed the curtain leech, tried to kill her with a fire spell.
>>288481150Always has been, look at fAgott's demure body language as Coco approaches.
>>288481223Coco x Agott yuri doujin where???Who tops???
>>288478199I dunno man seem like the world got fucked beyond belive with unregulated magic creating floating mountains and dragons and shit
>>288481203>unleashed the curtain leechThat's the only part of that post I recognize
>>288478761Mostly because magic over the body Is unpredictable if the ink gets to interact with blood, so the safe option Is to just not do It. And you can't make weapons to kill people.
>>288481203not coco, qifrey. coco just acted on a whim, shielded him and got her face burned.
>>288479960Not because It can be used to poison people and other such crimes?
If you're in nipland you can win this at UFO catchers.
>>288481315He looks like he saw some shit
>>288481386Yeah, Coco having diarrhea
>>288481234Coco is always a top.
>>288480182What stupid ass plan is this? You do understand that clearly the Sages have some massive fucking spell they used once to change the state of the world, and they can use it again, right? And we're talking about the time everyone was doing the craziest magic shit with no regards for ethics.
>>288476497So is this show actually good or is it just high effort saturday morning bullshit
>>288481315Jealous. >>288481898I like it.
>>288481898¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Why does Coco feel so adult-coded?
>>288481315i want to touch coco's bush.
>>288476765I can draw porn. Witch Hat you have in mind?
>>288482439
>>288481898Harry Potter for Japanese girls, but the author is a free speech activist.
>>288480277That bit was so intimate.
>>288480803Liminal Spaces are a bad zoomer meme that was never creepy.
>>288477070Are they able to fuck yet? Have they reached puberty?
>>288480803>AAAAAAA OPEN SPACES IM GOING INSANE
>>288482712The concept peaked with walking around a dead Minecraft server.
>>288476881Qifrey doesn't swing that way, chud
>>288482712They were never supposed to be creepy, just a bit out of the ordinary, but zoomers make everything they touch extremely fucking embarrassing.
>>288481313It does make you wonder how exactly he intended to kill Qifrey with that spell when Coco just takes it to the head and survives.
>>288476497I can't be the only one who became completely convinced this sequence would end with him having his mind wiped.
>>288483488A lot of us are manga readers, but it definitely was intended to be a dramatic possibility.
>>288482829Maybe in YOUR fanfiction, but in MY fanfiction he loves cunny.
>>288478603Just like the manga, then.
>>288480114Nice job exposing that you're a lifelong lazy shitter
>>288482879Qifrey is, let's say, a little bit more vulnerable to fire than most
>>288481839This. Coco is a high-maintenance tachi
>>288483612Based!
>>288480142wrong. magic vaccines are forbidden under the nazi conehead regime
>>288484556psst, hey kid, we've perfected gene therapy and achieved biological immortality. all you have to do to join us is wear a trilby.
The faggot author put the pride flag back in her display name. Probably for fag month.
>>288485783You're a real Sherlock Holmes.
>>288485783Why would anyone here care? Do you think we're paying customers? Damn, dude. You're right. I'll let my money talk and stop sending her zero dollars.
>>288485783Based, I hope Agott is extra gay in this month's chapter.
>>288482695Genuinely it felt like being in the same room as her.
>>288485783Good, I agree with her.
>>288484335It is funny that as the series has continued, and Coco's personality has gotten stronger and more assertive, that all the fan art has switched so that Agott is the passive viewer insert and Coco is the leader.
why "brushbuddy" for the localization? brushbuggy would have been both more accurate AND cuter
>>288486861He's friend-shaped.
>>288476527why is Shirou Emiya in this show?
>>288486861do you think they would make good fur for trade?
>>288486907So...snakes are friend-shaped then?
>>288485783It takes a special kind of bravery to put a pride flag on these nazi times so I'm almost moved to tears
>>288485783Just following orders from her UN handler.
>>288478920It's never perpetual isn't it? The inks always run out eventually
>>288476497You can get colored glass plates (filters) and even fully colorblind can "see" colorsIts not comfortable but works
>>288480515I wonder if it's just manga limitation, but if there actually is, Coco won't stop gushing about it
>>288477972Absolutely THIS
>>288487534kek
>>288479960It makes no sense, it's very useful even just for sharing water and it's very innocent and rule-abiding (except if blood is transferred ig). Either the medicine magic persecution is so extreme, or the author also realize this idea is going nowhere so immediately shelve it after one chapter.
>>288485783Good, I don't see anything wrong with that flag if only TQ+ issue were removed from LGB stuff I support.
>>288486861I like brushbuddy, even if it is less accurate. It has to sound cute. And buddy is cuter than buggy.
If she wanted there to be a moral dilemma in the reader's mind, why did she make the Brim Hats look cool as fuck and the Pointed Hats look like fucking nerds?
>>288482225Because she is no longer a child. That instantly ended when she killed her mom.
>>288486621We will see that shit in festival namek.
>>288487923what did shirahama mean when she made coco's brim design have a dress that clings to her figure?
>>288485783Yes I'm aware the show and its author are woke. No I don't think that's a detriment.
wait a sec!!!is aggot actually a faggot for coco? ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhwhen did that happen?
>>288488574Not explicitly, no. It's just people interpreting shit. The story isn't about romance, so even if Agott is homosexual, this is unlikely to receive much attention from the narrative. Shippers will ship regardless.
>>288478667Why is Taleb so popular
>>288488574I don't care about Aggot's homosexualities as long as I get to see Coco mate with Quifrey
>>288488832>s long as I get to see Coco mate with Quifreyt. butterchalk
>>288488861doesn't he like tetia fugging with quifrey the most?
>>288488861>Drawing while flaccid destroys productivity by 90% this is so sad bros... How to bonnerIs he 70?
>>288485783Well duh, UN sponsored series.
>>288476497I'd be bitter. Like a child who just learned about magic was able to create a spell that really helps you out with your disability and your grandpa and other adepts in your life just didn't give a fuck at all.
>>288485783Funny to see faggots and retards who likes this wokeslop pretending they don't care.
>>288486861When does the mean black one show up?
>>288488574>>288488623>>288488832No, there's no way my waifu would be a dyke.
>>288489790Not this season, not the next either, honestly.
I'm as vegan as my wallet allows and I heard this anime is w*keDo we get any appreciation here or is it just civil rights shit?
Waiting warmly for Ininia.
>>288489843Usually it doesn't take this long for the most retarded anon to show up to the thread, you're running late.
>>288489849The hatesex she'll have with Coco will be monstrous
>>288488574Zero evidence besides headcanons
>>288488986>porn addict loses his virility Many such cases.
>>288489889I just need some validarion anonalso asians are still on the stone age regarding animal rights
>>288490205at least try to conceal your jealousy
>>288482829Even if that was true, Coco can fix him>>288483612Qifrey will wait until Coco is legal
>>288488574Clearly just good friends.
>>288487699Seems like it would be difficult for any well known spell could ever really be lost since it would probably have been written down in a book at some point in time, which would mean it would be in the library tower. But also yeah, the enforcement of the Pact was aggressive and both directly and indirectly destroyed huge amounts of knowledge.
>>288476640>>288476866coco was extra sexy this episode
>>288491058Coco is extra sexy in every episode.
does the manga have this much loli fanservice or is the anime baiting me?
>>288491382You fuckers would consider kids running around a playground to be erotic.
>>288488574I think Agott does have a crush on Coco by the current point in the story (she literally repeats the same words that boy who also had a tsundere crush on her towards Coco later on).Whether or not it will be reciprocated is another question. Kind of like how ONE confirmed Teru was gay for Mob in MP100 but they didn't get together in the end.
>>288491456well, yesthere's certainly too much detail put into the girls arranging their hair or being manhandled
>>288489849She's a good girl underneath it all.
Why do they keep calling the boy a torta?
>>288490294what is the aoc in their land?
im tired. im going to give a good night kiss to richeh then cuddle with coco as a i fall asleep
>>288492930Considering it's based on medieval Europe I would place it in menarcheMore importantly, has Coco bled yet?
>>288487758yeah true
>>288493414>More importantly, has Coco bled yet?I doubt it, she seems a bit too young.
>>288492930Old enough to doodle, old enough to diddle.
>rich-angry>hungri-cheh>you agott-a be kidding meDoes the original nipponese manga have puns like this
>>288476527I hope he never finds out Qifrey already broke Coco's hymen
>>288476497Most boring episode so far. I just don't care about this dumb kid and his colourblindness drama.
>please care about my child fetish
>>288494499i-it was just an air ride, right?
>>288493754isn't 12 late for puberty already?
>>288494119I know sasugotto is used at least once. Agotsun+Agodere too.
>>288485783Does she actually support anything or is she just a fujo showing fujo pride?
>>288495273She hates Takaichi.
>>288495273Am I my fujo's keeper? Ask her yourself
>>288495306>unironically tweeting borderline political questions at an artistI'm just asking if anything has come up before, I don't care that much.
>>288495335frankly trying to snoop around to find out requires giving more fucks than spending two seconds just asking them directly
the technological advancement of this world is clearly much beyond simple wood turning, yet this gimp has to painstakingly carve spindles to make pens/quill holders and check for straightness. even a simple lathe where the wood spins between two points and is turned with a bow by one hand and cut with chisels by the other would reduce the labor tenfold and is much more accurate.
>>288489843>>288490224There's even a spinoff where they just cook various dishes but as far as I remember all main characters eat meat and there are no confirmed vegan side characters, sorry.
>>288495758It's fantasy, please stop thinking, that's not allowed.It'd be a fun contrast if the non-witch society was significantly more advanced in some areas because the witches don't spend any time thinking about non-magic solutions and assume that there's nothing of value to learn from the peasants.
>>288495758if blood can alter ink's properties, I don't see why boy sweat couldn't affect a pen's power
>>288495273She supports several political causes. She's tweeted about going to vote to defend the constitution (against Takaichi's attempted warmongering amendments), drew Coco in the pose that signifies support for Palestine, and retweets posts about pride events and gay marriage rights. For this last one you can tell she's especially invested since she included a reference to a very specific issue in the manga that is gay couples in Japan not being recognized as family and thus not having the rights to medical assistance for their partner, thus one has to adopt the other as a workaround. To prevent Galga from being sent to Adanlee after being mindwiped, Atwert is forced to take him on as his apprentice.
>>288495832fucking asiansnot even fighting the good side of the bad fight
>>288495088Yes, 12 would be kind of late for a girl. While Coco's actual age Is never stated Aggot saying she passed the test at 10 and Coco saying If a 10 year old can do it then she can too means Coco Is 11-12
They've announced an art and world material book: https://mag-s.jp/en/pages/atelier-pointed-hat-lp-jaIt will be in English too. It's published by Shirahama herself so it's only available digitally for now.
>>288489843Kek No.
>>288489849are brimhats really this cute?
>>288495964Which Witch Hat characters would support Israel?
>>288496344always have been
>>288496671All Pointed Caps leadership.
>>288496013Why did Frieren and Himmel let their children get abused by some random old guy?
>>288496298There will be sigil autism in this one.
So what exactly made Qifrey unable, unwilling to move from Coco's side? Not like he can do anything about the fever. Watching out for Brimhats? Would be the case even after Coco tells him to go do something.
>>288497372He's a bit regretful that he let her get sick in the first place, he even got scolded by the doctor.
>>288497300Nice
>>288476497I was expecting Tartah to unknowingly ruin all the medicines he inspects, and the lesson to be like ep1's "don't mess with magic you don't understand" again.>>288478706Why is it OK for this boat to have the magic lines drawn on a big disc that the public might see?
>>288497442Hiding the drawings doesn't matter, just the fact that they're drawn. Muggles think they're summoned with wands using innate magical power.
>>288476497>Don't let any disabilities stop you from exploring the world.This is such a retarded thing to teach children and gets a lot of people killed, other people too if you're handling medicines and dosages.
>>288497488It teaches children to find solutions that will help you overcome your natural weaknesses, not to just ignore them as if you don't have them.
>>288497300My main problem with these systems in fiction is that they often don't actually make sense. Effectively it would have to be a mathematical language that is consistent with itself.Can I reconstruct both of those from first principles?
>>288497520not my problem
>>288497372protecting her from the loli snatchers
>>288497300Finally my knowledge of the Kabalah can come in practice
>>288497372What happened last time he left her alone in that city?
>>288497692Technically that was the witch city across the river. And they baited Coco which is hard to do when she is incapacitated.
>>288497520If the author at least tries to use some logic I can suspend my disbelief to pretend it's a cleaner and more consistent system than it is. At the least, I'd take that over "it's magic, don't think about it" any day. But it stops being any better than "don't think about it" when really complicated shit happens without a really complicated design. The magic door handle not needing a nanoscale lithography ink design is a good example. But I'd be fine with believing that a circle with ten thousand components could pull something like that off, even though it's obvious that the specifics given won't hold up under scrutiny.Very abstract and complex fundamental components are also a really bad get-out-of-jail-free card. No need for a complex design to propel a mass of water towards a moving target, just use the dragon sigil to collect the water into the shape of a dragon and give it some pseudo-sentient trajectory! Wow, it was silly of me to try to engage in thinking about your magic system, my bad.
>>288491675Coco simply hasn't connected the dots with how much she pays attention to Agott and how important she considers Agott to be in her life.Her mother, Agott and Qifrey are the three most important people to her. And in her last internal monologue she thought of Agott first.
>>288497714Perfect time to snatch her up, considering the nearly empty hospital she was in.
Coco and Qifrey of light and darkness.
>>288497898It's funny. No matter what they use or how hard they try, they simply can't beat the Brimhats fashion style.
>>288497898Intercourse
>>288497520>>288497718It would have taken the author designing the system from the ground up in the first place. I strongly suspect they did not as the output/ruslting spells often are too specifically elaborate. Also how coco discovers "new uses" for spells or "new spells" in general. There is no way either the stone deconstruction spell or the reconstruct (anything) spell was undiscovered. The Manga (and the show) tell on themselves constantly. Later in the Manga it's more about general themes than the spells themselves. Lots of "handwavium" of new spells that come about and how things work.So No. The Magic system is not based on prep work or any internal logic even if the bones are there and someone more dedicated than the author could have likely built a full fledged system to tell a story on top of.That and people aren't stupid. They might not see the witches drawing, but when all the magical products the "unknowing" are exposed to all have visible sigils to function I highly doubt they would be in the dark for long.The only reason why the industrial revolution didn't happen 1000 years earlier than it did was the lack of population critical mass and enough agriculture development for people to have enough free time to research and discover other things.It was not because humans were stupid "back then"
>>288498191>There is no way either the stone deconstruction spell or the reconstruct (anything) spell was undiscovered.They never said they were? The kids are just figuring things out from the very basics, Coco hasn't studied many applications yet but has the creativity and foresight to figure some out on her own.
>>288498225They imply it was undiscovered or at the very least not commonly known when the witch police had to test the spell as opposed to knowing at a glance what it did.The old ink maker wouldn't think to supply his handicap apprentice with tools to help him do his job?I get trying to write for the author, but no. The implication is that "coco's" way of thinking is revolutionizing the way magic is used, discovered, and iterated upon. That's generally the core "theme" of the story... but in order for that to work all the witches she is "thinking outside of the box" - from have to be amazingly stupid or narrow minded.
>>288498267>They imply it was undiscovered or at the very least not commonly known when the witch police had to test the spell as opposed to knowing at a glance what it did.They were showing Coco that her claim of using the spell normally couldn't have been true because it's infinitely less powerful than whatever she did. I'm not writing for the author, just stating the obvious as seen in the series.
>>288498191>when all the magical products the "unknowing" are exposed to all have visible sigils to function I highly doubt they would be in the dark for long.Yeah, this frustrates me. Even if no one stumbles onto some magic ink or tries to write with blood or whatever, there's no fucking way there wouldn't be widely-known conspiracy theories suggesting a connection between sigils and magic.
Kill him Coco
>>288498288This isn't the only time this happens, Similar things happen later in the Manga. It's why I was alluding to the "theme" of the story, that being Coco, with her different perspective and starting point being a disrupting force in the status quo for the witch world in how she thinks of magic and spells.Which as a premise is a good one, a very good one in fact.The problem I'm pointing out is that the Author didn't do the ground work and setup to make it believable in part because they did not flesh out the magic system before starting the premise.They made the mistake of not keeping magic vague enough - making it too specific, actually giving it rules and those rules being revealed to the audience while at the same time not actually locking down those rules to allow Coco to believably, within the very framework of those established rules to achieve the "core theme" of the story trying to be told.This is why the specificity of the magic sort of takes a back seat later and it adopts broad themes instead.Again "handwavium"You can tell the mangaka gave up on trying to make a hard magic system. It's fine, it it what it is, but it answers.>>288497520Question - which is what our comment chain back and forth started with.>"No, the system is not built from a first principles "hard" framework perspective. It mostly incorporates handwaivum between the seams and only gets into specifics for theming in scenes, like to demonstrate where Coco needs to learn more (precision with drawing x/y/z, symmetry in drawing x/y/z, alignment with drawing x/y/z) which turn into background set-dressing when the story has shifted quickly to broader "political" plots that have nothing to do with the foundational structure of the magic of the world."
>>288498191>The only reason why the industrial revolution didn't happen 1000 years earlier than it did was the lack of population critical mass and enough agriculture development for people to have enough free time to research and discover other things.Metallurgy, manufacturing, logistics chains etc were also just not advanced enough for a steam engine to make sense over an ox. >build steam engine for 1000 moneys>manufacturing and materials means it doesn't even output that much power>prone to failure, which may be "just" an expensive repair or it might burn you (large open burn + no antibiotics = dead) or explode and tear you to shreds>very hard to repurpose, very heavy to movevs>buy an ox for 5 moneys>it needs water and grass to be maintained>can hurt you but nowhere near as dangerous as a primitive steam machine>repurposing it is as easy as just unhooking it from the mill wheel and putting on the plough harness>need to go to town? hook it up to the cart and it will pull you there with the grain/flour/whatever you want to sell>if you get a few and keep feeding them water and grass, they eventually multiply on their own and you can sell them or put them to workThey had steam machines at the library of Alexandria already, it just didn't make sense to use as it was used a few thousand years later.
erm..... le woke?
>>288480114Legit happened to me after I tried backpacking in Japan as a turbo autist. The hordes of people, new places, and endless new schedules to memorise wipes me out so badly I got a 41 degree fever out of nowhere and got brutal muscle spasms that still hurt a month later. Turned out the deadly Japanese cold was very real.
>>288497520thats a stupid problem to have. it really doesnt matter its just a gimmick used to get initial interest.
>>288498453>Metallurgy, manufacturing, logistics chains etc were also just not advanced enough for a steam engine to make sense over an ox.All of which needed time to be discovered, which nearly no one had until agriculture developed beyond a specific threshold. My point is that human's capacity to think and discover isn't a modern development. The thing that changed were the stepping stones of the environment of humans - chiefly the "Free time." There is more to it, in anthropology food excess is required for culture to come about. A people without a food surplus simply do not have "time" for other things. Hunter gatherers and early agrarian societies are always racing against caloric deficit in their day to day lives. Someone taking their time to fiddle with rocks and fire (metallurgy) would get kicked out of the village for not contributing. Once food became abundant and "cheap" the time to make that food could be used to make other things or to devote to other things like discovery. Humanity's biggest hurdle in technological progress was achieving a caloric surplus.From there it was a veritable march through a "Tech tree".You are right in part that if a given culture "didn't see the point" in early "novel" discoveries they would be shelved - but the primary point is that human had the capacity to think and discover long before "we" in 2026 think they could. It's a bit of a blind spot but humans 1000 or even 2000 years ago had just as much capacity to think and even invent/discover as we do today - they just didn't have the caloric surplus (in large enough quantities) for that to not get you ostracized from society. Other things like health care also were a major factor (which contributed to human population critical mass, which contributed to closing the margins on the agricultural critical mass)
>>288498340People obviously know the runes are part of magic. Runes are publicly visible for certain spells, like flying carriages. What they don't know is that runes are literally all magic is, and the special ink witches don't tell anyone they carry is the key. But the idea that runes are a part of magic casting isn't a surprise to anyone.
>>288497520trying to get hyper autistic about your stupid fake magic/technology is how you get Death Stranding's dogshit expository writing
>>288497898Its like I'm playing Nightreign again.
>>288497520Sounds like fantasy just isn’t for you anon. Unless you can list some serious whose magic system actually satisfies your autism. >Inb4 Nen
>>288478761Reminds me how a lot of modern Judaism is just trying to circumvent the word of god through technicalities like he's some kind of schmuck.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabbath_mode>not allowed to operate electronics on saturdays>add gimmicks that mean you're "technically" not operating them, like lamps that physically obscure the light but don't actually turn them on/off when shabbos mode is enabled
>>288498651I'm not sure if you're saying this because of all of the five dollar words or what, but Death Stranding is the polar opposite of autism. It's the most disconnected uninspired brain-off hand-waving bullshit you could possibly write.
>>288498789It's a shame the LN is on hiatus/functionally cancelled but "The magician who rose from failure" has one of my favorite magic systems, if not the favorite of mine. Visual conception + oration for execution where each word carries a cost.What and how something is said impacts the spell. Two people reciting the same set of words will not produce the same results. Understanding the origin of the words and turns of phrase and verses give them more power. Holding the concepts more clearly in your mind give them more power (or even enable them to be formed in the first place). Countering another magic user can come down to knowing the source material of where their verses come from better than they do.The framework was just vague enough that it flowed smoothly as a narrative tool but also structured well enough that you could follow along with what will/won't happen logically. It didn't break it's own rules to make a scenario work, at least in the (5?) volumes I read some time ago.Wish the series went on.
Oh, I can see a faggot quite clearly!
>>288498880It seems like a weird unspoken awareness of it all being a social construct that they're abiding by, no more sacred than the usual legal system.Anyway, pointed hat language lawyers debating loopholes to inconsistently decide who gets memory wiped and who is allowed to continue committing atrocities would be fantastic.
>>288498979Rare Nolnoa fanart
>>288498880>>288499048God wanted you to find those loopholes. I mean, that's the idea.
>>288478761For arbitrary conflict fodder. This comes in especially for next arc. Not a spoiler for next arc but a spoiler for this season (I think?)witches aren't allowed to learn healing, medicine or how to use spells to directly heal the body. It's a very arbitrary limitation. It's primary purpose is to set up a major conflict of interest between royalty and the witches. There is no real moral reason for it other than the framing of the world. The implication is that it's some form of "evil" human experimentation. and "none" of the spells in the world so far demonstrate a "good" capacity to heal. But it's an arbitrary structure.Qyuffrey's cooling room spell indirectly heals Coco by helping to lower her temperature, but that doesn't count. But if stated to the witch gestapo that his cooling spell helped heal Coco he'd technically be in violation according to their retarded internal logic. The Gestapo binding the kid's legs that were broken was also technically a violation. but it all has to do with arbitrary framing. "I wasn't cooling coco down, I was cooling the room down, Coco happened to be in it." "I wasn't binding broken legs, I was transporting a civilian in a very specific way because I was unaware that fixing the limbs in a specific way would help with bone healing." etc. You aren't meant to think too deeply about the inconsistency and are meant to go with the intended theming and flow of the story. Once you start holding it accountable to its own rules it starts to fall apart quickly. The irony is that the story itself is meant to be in part an exploration of compromised morals and where that leads (good or bad), but at the same time it has difficulty staying internally consistent with its own moral framework.
>>288496298>>288497300Sick. I finally looked through my WHA art book the other day and it is gorgeous. You can really see all the details when it is a bit bigger.
>>288499115Engendill explains why healing/medicine isn't allowed to mix with magic. It's because that field is the closest (aside from killing/fighting, which Witches generally try to avoid) where blood and magic could intermix and cause spells to go berserk (likely because the ink comes from the parasitic trees that feed on living organisms), which could have dangerous and unpredictable consequences that could make it harder to maintain the pact. Allowing muggles and outsiders to handle the field of medicine also allows them to maintain and sell the illusion that there is a check in balance between them and witches. That's why the king bowing to two of the Three Wise was a shocking event, the acknowledgement that witches actually are the superior race.
>>288498789I don't mind magic being magic, mysticism is very important and a concept lost on many authors. What annoys me is when an author goes into detail about the workings of the magic/power system and pretends like they matter when he breaks and bends the rules all the time. Videogame-like rules have to place in stories, they're a limitation not a feature and people who try to apply that to their stories just scream "my life experience and motivation comes from videogames".>nenFunny you mention that because I fucking hate HxH for it. The author thinks he's a lot smarter than he actually is and it's an egregious example of what I said above. That the brainlet fanbase praises it as some sort of "sophisticated seinen" just makes it worse.I don't mind it in Atelier, so far it's been pretty light on it and we haven't had characters monologue for 2 minutes about the orientation of a specific symbol, the most we had was Coco pointing the arrow in the wrong direction on the boat sail, which is fine.
>>288498371I will say that for the most part, people aren't impressed with Coco for anything truly revolutionary. Like Agott's shoes are presented a bit like that. Really fast Sylph Shoes that Coco made because she made the lines too long, that took Agott some getting used to, but she now prefers. I don't think the implication is that no one tried to do it before. I'm sure plenty of people have and continue to do so. After all, mages customize their spells all the time, for basic tasks like frying a shell fruit or whatever they called it. But I think the idea is she's impressive for a young student, as witch society has become very, very obsessed with the status quo, many young witches have repetition beat into them so they don't experiment as much. And for something like reapplying the seal on silph shoes every month (or whenever), they stop trying new stuff. Basically, I think it isn't so binary. I will say that it is obviously not a very hard magic system. There's a reason we don't see most of the sigils and why so many of the cores and modifiers are so broad or indirect. I can only assume that is to keep things feeling truly "magical". After all, a doorknob that opens a wall to different rooms is a magic concept that is so fun, but trying to imagine sigil that fits that is practically impossible. A lot of magical stuff would end up being very mundane if all of them had to fit into the "basic Witch sigil" stuff that Coco uses and we see them draw. But we can look at the sigil given for the Capture Pennant: >>288497300 This shows pretty clearly how hard a system it is. The Knights Moralis effectively use their pennants as an extra limb, it seemingly responding to their very thoughts. It turns, twists, wraps things up, etc. But the sigil? All fairly basic stuff, with little explanation of how it applies. Presumably, the Knights are very well trained in how to rotate the medal, which allows them to switch from Focus, Entwining and Empowerment on the fly.
>>288499307The bowing was a political power play and a trap. The king wants magic, that is all, he and his son want to consolidate power and kick the witches from the hirearchy. The implication is that the brimhats want an audience to offer magic "no strings attached" in order to destabilize the conehead's powerbase and the status quoThat or I'm giving the mangaka way too much credit.
>>288496298Definitely looks fun.
>>288499455I mean, the King is definitely scheming something. But the bowing is deliberately breaching etiquette and the central idea that witches are trying to push. It is arbitrary in universe as well.
>>288498880In Jewish thought, God is perfect, therefore any apparent loopholes were put there intentionally.
>>288499495intentionally to catch anyone who thinks that god wouldn't understand the concept of "the spirit of the law vs the letter of the law."
Daughter!
>>288499455I think the king genuinely has benevolent intentions for his subjects, even if he is cunning whereas the prince is being setup to be Mengele (that's why he has to pause and change what he says to his father about the "speciment"). But I thought the Brimhats were going to assasinate the king? They wanted the Silverwood seed to be delivered directly to him and only dropped it once they learned from Custas that it could immediately trigger at the slightest feeling of contentment
>>288499455>>288499484The King bowing is 4D chess.Witches aren't seen as a panacea because there was a belief in them being limited in power. They couldn't heal, the offensive power of magic was repressed, they treated with secular authorities on even grounds like guildworkers.But after all the BS of the Silver Eve festival, the King bowing was intended to shift they dynamics and responsibilities. Where now people are going to expect the Witches to proactively solve their problems and to take on larger and larger problems on top of that. They're also going to view Witches as more a type of authority and that will bring in deeper observation and skepticism of their actions. The whole point is to make the subtext into full text and create a scenario where the secret of magic is guaranteed to leak.
>>288499590>But I thought the Brimhats were going to assasinate the king?I didn't get that impression. I thought they wanted an audience with him to offer him the silverwood seeds for medical use and gain influence to sway him towards their side,
>>288499115>demonstrate a "good" capacity to healI can't help but wonder at the possibilities. The sigils and signs seem to have representations for everything that exists, so surely there must be sigils representing the flesh. If you can reconstitute sand into stone, who is to say that you cannot take ragged flesh and bones and tendons and knit them back into an approximation of a functional limb? I can understand the Brim Hat anger at the erasure of presumably thousands of years worth of technological progress.
>>288498789Nen was fine as a power system until he started pushing the autism too far. Basic abilities being used creatively was always more satisfying than some bullshit that requires 2 pages of full exposition to explain. The whole thing falls apart once the characters start lawyering their own power, like Chrollo's bullshit bookmark cheating away half the restrictions of his book.>Your honor, my client is not ignoring the rules of his power, which should make that power weaker. He's simply using a second power with its own rules that happens to interact with the original power, which the original ruleset clearly never disallowed.
>>288499731It's why I think semi-vague systems but clear power levels is best as the former is the set dressing and the latter are the landscape of character dynamics.I don't ascribe to the idea that a well defined and realized magic system is better for storytelling. As long as the power levels between principle characters is consistent (or if a change is clear from character progression) then the rest will follow as believable.I think what most dislike about undefined magic systems is authors using that lack of defintion to save themselves from a corner into which they painted themselves.
>>288499848>>288499340I'm honestly glad someone else hats Nen. I've hated it since the initial water in a cup test whose outcomes didn't even fall into sensible interpretations of the five categories. And it became clear that Nen could just do whatever the fuck as long as you explain it enough. Or don't!
>>288499897At least it's better than Cursed Energy
So three episodes left, how far are we getting? Second test?
>>288500077No way we're getting all of it, it's gonna end on a cliffhanger.
>>28850007711: test setup and Euini's introduction12: start of test until Sasaran attacks Alaira13: Euini gets transformed and Qifrey stands up to protect the girlsNo reason to rush, they're not going to get through the whole test unless they suddenly start compressing the events a lot.
>>288500077>>288500096>>288500147If we get a second season (2029 at earliest), then that could end on the group seeing the meteor shower just after Quifrey erases Olruggio's memory
>>288479857Seals on your skin are permanent, and cannot be removed.
>>288500231Even through mutilation? That sounds like a horribly forced ass-pull of a mechanic.
>>288478761A desperate attempt at controlling something very hard to control.
>>288500270It is. Its only purpose is to dramatize the stakes in the next arc. It's there to make the magic system seem "evil" and "irreversible" in that medium of application. Just to ape FMA a bit and for some tension.But most things are at the whims of authors, it's just frustrating when you can see such things being cashed in like cheap payday loans.
I'm glad that Tartah pissed /u/tards off, but my daughter deserves better than a seegger
>>288500270>>288500344Magic is made of blood.So you wouldn't be able to separate it out from flesh once it's merged in.
>>2885003442/1And you can tell it was cheaply used because the Mangaka couldn't even stick the landing and let the tragedy stick.The greatest tension in the manga isn't what might or might happen to any given character or set of characters. The greatest tension is seeing if the Mangaka will ever grow her balls out and let a consequence stick to the narrative instead of every half breath later after an impactful event the narrative says "just kidding!"I'm starting to loath cowardly authors.
>>288500416I mean Witch Hat Atelier is still very much just a PG-13 manga, no need for it become grimdark especially this early on.
>>288500270We never actually seen a brimhat having their limb/part of their skin cut off. So that may work. The thing is the series seem to imply that blood makes the magic ink stronger (there are fan theories that magic ink is actually blood, but diluted, since the ink comes from silverwood, which is a parasytic plant, that grows from animals including humans), so it may be extremely hard to cut off. Spoilers for the manga time rewind spell removes itself. The bottom line is: we will know when we see a brimfag get cut in their tattoo/have their limbs cut off.
>>288500231This is not true of all seals. Just another pointed hat lie.
A lot of people who complain about the world not making sense or being super arbitrary seem to take Pointy Hats at face value. I mean, it isn't exactly a super realistic, hard science-magic world for sure, but a lot of stuff is definitely intended to be misdirection. In a "lies to children" kind of way.
>>288500564I'm a big maskfag, so I was disappointed when it was revealed that not all of the brimhats wear masks. Just another pointy hat lie.
>>288500564if anything, with the introduction of the three wise and how they can just bend the rules when they want with an "shh don' tell the magic fags", it shows you that the magic society is built on lies.iguin was right.
>>288500416You are just reading the genre wrong.It is still a series with a young target demographic.
>>288500564Anon is being nit picky to such an autistic degree and cannot suspend disbelief even an inch. Makes me wonder why he’s watching a fantasy series in the first place.
>>288500564I'm complaining about the magic system, and I don't trust a single pointy-hat motherfucker for a second.
>>288502110I mean, for some of this stuff I get. If you make rules and show them off, you are going to start interpreting them as a science and thus expect rigor (not from the characters, but the story). But that's asking a lot and would ultimately not be in service to the narrative (as setting everything down from the get-go will limit your options down the line). I think the pennant thing really sums it up, at least in terms of the magic stuff. The politics and upscaling and economics and knowledge base has explanations, even if they're somewhat fudged and we have limited exposure to all of them (on purpose).
>>288500564The problem is that the coneheads already seem borderline evil even when you present the nice children's story version. So every time they peel back another layer, it generally feels like the author is either digging the hole deeper or trying to cover their ass to keep things gray. And it doesn't make the situation feel more complex because the brimhats keep beings schizos, so it always boils down the same way.
>>288502286Yeah, I just meant in regards to the seals on skin thing. I mean, spoilers it presumably leaks into your blood so cutting off a limb won't necessarily fix it, but why and how the shape of the sigil remains "in memory" is something we don't know and likely will never know.
>>288502320I mean, we'll ultimately see how the series pays off all this stuff. From the manga, everything I've seen seems to indicate that the digging the hole deeper and the keeping everything morally gray is absolutely intentional. People doing horrible, horrible things with good intentions or bad but masked intentions. Brimhats getting increasing depth and examination. Maybe it'll all end in a wet fart and we'll have to ignore a lot of the shit that got us to this point, but I am hopeful.
>>288500564I simply see this as a programming language reality with all its consequences. Anyone who has programmed and learned the theory of formal languages knows what I'm talking about.
>>288499680> If you can reconstitute sand into stone, who is to say that you cannot take ragged flesh and bones and tendons and knit them back into an approximation of a functional limb?Minor spoiler, but sigils for stuff like flesh absolutely exist. The problem is that there is no such thing as a "healing" spell, there is only what is effectively fleshcraft. And, yes, you can use such a power to close an injury or mold a broken leg. But you can also use it to turn a person into a I-have-no-mouth-and-I-must-scream meat prison, or shape a living thing into horrible monster, and so on. These are not different spells, they are the *same spell* used with different intentions. The horrible outcomes of the magic could even be nothing more than attempting to heal someone and doing it incorrectly, like drawing one of the support symbols too largely or in the wrong place and making someone pop like a balloon. Healing magic was quite sophisticated before the pact, but there's also a reason why so much of it was concentrated under a dedicated order of magical healers with specialized knowledge they didn't share with outsiders: its powerful, but dangerous and easy to fuck up. The pact banned it because they banned monster making, and you can't allow flesh shaping magic for fixing an injury without allowing for the creation of demons as well. Same spell.
>>288500453> (there are fan theories that magic ink is actually blood, but diluted, since the ink comes from silverwood, which is a parasytic plant, that grows from animals including humans)My belief is that magic symbols existed before silverwood ink, but being blood-magic it was highly destructive and too unpredictable to use. Awesome and amazing but like trying to pound in a nail and all you have are varying degrees of high explosives. Then silverwood trees are created/discovered, the ink starts getting used for magic, and suddenly magic can be practiced and refined without nuking yourself for the slightest mistake. Magic use and knowledge explodes and becomes commonplace, leading to a revolution in terms of new magical spells and abilities but also all of the manmade horrors that would eventually lead to the creation of the pact. But the point being is that this period of 'high magic' only actually is possible after the silverwood ink starts being a thing, and might have actually been a relatively short window of time from start to finish, like 100 years.
>>288502520I suppose my point is just that it's clear basically from the very start that a third path is absolutely necessary and we've just been waiting for it to inevitably manifest with Coco.
>>288491675>Kind of like how ONE confirmed Teru was gay for Mob in MP100 but they didn't get together in the end.That never happened you cocksucker
>>288502709>something can be used for terrible purposesWe overcame (or, more precisely, were forced to overcome) this moral conundrum thousands of years ago in the real world. The world of this story seems to not want to acknowledge that giving up these things would put whatever civilization chose this path to be at an inherent disadvantage. Frame it like this: a tribal society decides that the bow and arrow, useful as it is, is far too dangerous and decides to mandate that spears be used in all situations instead. Well, they're just going to get wiped out by some other tribe which has no compunctions about using bows and arrows. This sort of authoritarian enforcement of stagnation only ever leads to a society's demise. You need to accept the dangers, you cannot grow otherwise.
>>288502927Yes, a third path is necessary. Thats been clearly telegraphed. The problem, and this is a strength of the worldbuilding, is that what that third path should be isn't obvious. The current status quo is bullshit, but everything we see about pre-pact magical history reinforces the idea that the pact happened for a good reason. It is, in a real way, the lesser of two evils. The Knights Moralis are frequently in the wrong. But so are the brimhats. This is not a 'glorious rebellion against the evil dystopia' story, nor is it a 'benevolent just society contends with evil terrorists that hate good things' story. Its an inherently fucked situation that everyone is just trying to work with but there is no objectively clear good answer to resolve it on either side. Coco's stance, and by extension the audiences, however is "the lesser of two evils is still an evil". Coco cares about helping people, and if that means breaking the rules then so be it. She wants a third path, but we don't know what that looks like yet.
>>288497520Is just magic coding.
>>288503060Witch society did accept the dangers, anon. They use forbidden magic to stop and punish the use of forbidden magic. No different from a society that says that the cops get to have guns but the people do not: this is too dangerous for you to have but we will use it against you to make sure that you follow those rules.
>>288497520what could go wrong?>:(){ :|:& };:
I was wondering why would a supposed leftie author paint authority in such a bad light and then I remembered these prople actually still see themselves as revolutionaries
>>288503170So memory erasure magic is the only forbidden magic with any practical or military merit? It's the end all be all? You lose absolutely NOTHING from refusing to interact with any of the other forms of magical expression? I see. Very astute of you.
>>288503060If magic was a public science you'd have a point. Instead, magic is held in secret by an international group of specialists that avoid public involvement in political or economic disputes and are not subject to any governing body because they are more powerful than any governing body. With their limitation being a culture of self-regulation where any aberrant behavior is strictly rooted out.
>>288480114This anon thinks that people don't get over 39°C fever.
>>288503094I mean, there's a pretty wide middle ground between mindwiping gestapo and schizo terrorists. The only reason we don't know what the third path looks like is because it could be basically anything between two extremes and it would be better practically by default. And that's frustrating in a sense because you're not waiting for a tantalizing perfect answer. You're waiting for literally any answer at all.
>>288503320>If magic was a public scienceThe problem is that it used to be, and then they started erasing memories. And they WON that fight, presumably while sticking to their basic principles of not using any other form of forbidden magic because their movement could never have succeeded if it were so obviously a sham. They shouldn't have won, this is a depiction of a much kinder and softer world than we live in.
>>288476527my son in law is very cool!!
waking up in the morning and inhaling coco's side of the bed since she always gets up first
sex with coco
>>288500270If it's in an leg or an arm, maybe? You still have to survive loosing a limb. If it's in your body or head? Well...
>>288503462>presumably while sticking to their basic principles of not using any other form of forbidden magic because their movement could never have succeeded if it were so obviously a shamObviously a sham to whom? They mindwiped everyone who disagreed with them and everyone left either takes it as it is, lest they get mindwiped or go brimhat. The muggles are all gaslit to shit, so they've got nothing to add to the conversation.The whole thing was always a farce since the memory wiping is exactly the kind of evil bullshit the pact is SUPPOSED to forbid. I don't know if it's worse whether they carved an exception for it or if it somehow doesn't fall under forbidden magic to start with.
>>288503252Read the last chapter in which they show you how they deal with magic ítems on a one-to-one basis and its up to the Sage's discression whats allowed.
>>288503863>Obviously a sham to whom?The people carrying out the revolution, of course. The memory erasing magic is a small issue in comparison. My guess is that the logic went like this: we have to make an exception for memory erasing magic because the only alternative is to just fucking kill them. There, exception handled, everyone's happy. That isn't really important to what I was saying, though. We have no reason to suspect that the pointed caps didn't adhere to their stated principles during the war, there are no signs of any messy internal instability that would have resulted from massive breaches of principle being used to gain the upper hand in the war - and we have a group of witches whom are hostile to the pointed caps that would have used said information in arguments against the establishment if it existed. My entire point was that those principles put them at a disadvantage militarily, no matter how powerful they are as witches. It's kind of ridiculous that they won. It would be like a nation without nuclear weapons engaging in total war with a nation WITH nuclear weapons and winning handily and then erasing all knowledge of nuclear weapons. How the fuck do you suppose such an improbable situation could possibly come to pass?
>>288503745i think the material which you inscribe it on has something to play too. when coco inscribe seals on the rock during the river incident, when she activate it, it drilled down onto the rock itself, when coco drew that same seal on paper and estits hold a rock in front of it, the rock above the paper got drilled instead.could it be possible that if you draw it on human body the effects would be different?
>>288503230>left wing author>everyone should have right to possess a recreational nuke and freely tinker with it actually something far more dangerous, easy to build and prone to accidentally unleash a catastrophe
>>288504097>My entire point was that those principles put them at a disadvantage militarily, no matter how powerful they are as witches. It's kind of ridiculous that they won. It would be like a nation without nuclear weapons engaging in total war with a nation WITH nuclear weapons and winning handily and then erasing all knowledge of nuclear weapons. How the fuck do you suppose such an improbable situation could possibly come to pass?Oh, but they do have that knowledge, look at Qifrey's sword. Is a fucking weapon that can only be handle by someone with permission and never against a person, but clearly if he wanted he could go a cut a brimhat's head with it. Clearly an open war that would push pointy hats to use the entire confiscated arsenals they have wouldn't be nice for any brimhat trying to feel too clever because he can use a couple of forbidden spells.
>>288503193This kind of shit is only possible in a world with unlimited energy perpetual motion machines. That's where everything went wrong.
>>288503193AAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
>>288504272No, normally on a computer, a fork bomb consumes all available RAM and crashes the system. And a computer doesn't have unlimited resources.
>>288504258Qifrey's sword uses no forbidden magic. It's just a magical sword. We have no clue what forbidden magic is truly capable of, but it is often treated as near omnipotence. Entire mountains torn from the earth and permanently affixed to the sky, vast forests plunged into eternal darkness, instant teleportation, spells from which there is no escape or recourse. It's mythological. Pointed Hat victory seems suspect, at the very least.
>>288504386If the Tower of Tomes really contains a copy of every book including Iguin's then knowledge of forbidden magic isn't completely lost to Pointed Caps and there's almost certainly someone who still knows it.
>>288504386>Pointed Hat victory seems suspect, at the very least.They had to use "forbidden magic" during war. Only after the war and signing the treaty they stopped doing it.
>>288504386>Qifrey's sword uses no forbidden magic.Is forbidden magic IF he uses to hurt someone
>>288504427Yeah, but they can't really use it for fighting. The logistics are fucked up. If they all went mirror mode and used forbidden magic to defeat the forbidden magic users, then they would have to form a new task force of forbidden magic users to clean up the forbidden magic users they created to destroy the original forbidden magic users... and so on and so forth.
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