"Proof"Continuing the new (short?) series from Ryo Minenami, author of Boy's Abyss.Last chapter we started into Leafbro's backstory--the woman he pined after for months, the child they had together which may not be his--and we saw the eerie parallels between his abusive ex-wife and Momiji. Miko is all ears. What lesson will he take away from this?
>>288501777Shy bitches, not even once
Why are nips like this?
>>288501777>of course it didholy woman moment
>i fucked and got pregnant by other men FOR YOU, honeywomen deserve worse
>it's your fault for finding out I'm a whore
>Realistic modern marriages in a nutshell: the chapter.Ryou knows how to niggerpill her audience with these realitypills.
If a woman cheats it’s always the man’s fault.
>>288501903We mess up every week, it's just a running gag now.
What the actual fuck
And it's always the man who has to beg for pardon or a 2nd chance.Lesson: don't be a fucking simp at any fucking moment.
I love how Chiho exploits the situation to somehow make herself the victim/tragic heroine to justify her actions. Peak Ryou female writing.
>>288501934Sorry you had to find out the true nature of women from a manga thread.
he's lucky she didn't make up a story about how he raped her
And that's the chapter. Some great POV work from Ryo at the end.What are your thoughts on the ethics of this scenario? Assuming Leafman's ex wasn't cheating on him just to cheat, but that she deliberately sought someone out to get her pregnant (or else went to a sperm bank?) so that the relationship and their future family would be saved. If her husband had never gotten himself tested, and had continued on in blissful ignorance as the happy father in a happy family, would that have justified her actions?
>>288501952It's a Ryou manga, expect the possibility of Chiho actually having done that and that being the reason Taiki escaped to the mountain.
>>288501998uhhh whats the rationale here why is he forking himself
>>288502024None. An emotional plea to show what he is willing to sacrifice for her to "forgive" him for his "wrong." One she will promptly scoff and chuckle at while he bleeds out from the eye.
>>288502024And he probably forked himself multple times given that half his face looks like shit and he has trouble to eat meat
ahahahahathe most pathetic shit i ever read
>>288502024As a resolve to say he won't SEE her as a cheating whore, I guess.
>>288502024he's not in this right mind and is clearly overwhelmed with grief, guilt and anger
>extrovert chad this broken up about a whorepeak female writerabsolute gutter tier male writingonce again, female writers prove themselves to be utterly incompetent
Do they have sperm banks in Japan? Though I imagine a married woman couldn’t unilaterally decide to get inseminated through that. I suppose I haven’t looked into the rules and regulations of those places.
>>288501998Women don’t like being confronted when they’re wrong. She could have lived the rest of her life with him if he never found out/never said anything but now that it’s suddenly revealed to everyone that she’s a whore she will never forgive him.I’m more concerned that Family Leafman tried to enact a PunPun to himself as if it will actually change anything. That was a really immature thing to do.
>>288501827she's so flat bros
>>288502179Nah, she went and got plowed by everyone she flirted with until she got pregnant. She probably justified with how he used all his guy friends to pressure to date him so she'll use all the guys around her to pressure him to keep her.
>>288502142He was only pretending to be extroverted in his college baseball club to fit in with the boys.
>>288501998yeah there's some stake left on the table.
>>288502179She fucked some guy >>288501777>>288501804Am I the only one who thinks she looks more like Miko than Momiji?
>>288502218Incredible drop of the ball by Ryou to have him act this way. Doesn't match the personality he was presented to us with. I can easily imagine him becoming this meek guy AFTER the fact, but not just after finding out his wife was a whore.
>>288501804>i knew you were gonna left me so my only option to save the marriage was to cheat on you and have some other guy's kidgotta admit, Ryo is a genius when it comes to writing asshole hateable women
>>288502179she just wanted to get railed by some chad bro
>>288501998Great chapter. I think she really agreed to be in a relationship to make compromises at expense of Taiki's feelings. A part of my understands her side too, if she had told him to get checked and found out he's sterile, his ego as a man really would get hurt and he would no longer be the man she married. She was trying to maintain that facade, when I doubt she herself was aware that that's what she's really into, lying to his face and getting away with it. I feel sorry for Taiki but also for her, because she's obviously crazy and ruined three lives with her actions.
This was a masteeclass of female think.Holy shit the way she made it HIS fault and how she only did what she had to.
>>2885022674 lives, some dude out there doesn't know he has a kid
Um....? The mountain? Where's the titular character?
>>288501634>A woman who can't clearly say no and an illiterate of social cuesThis relationship was a disaster from the very start.
god damn>>288502351brothe highrise apartmentit's like a mountainbut in the city
>>288501998Any issues she had in the relationship she could have addressed years ago. Unless the narrator is fucking with us and he's genuinely been pressuring her to go along with what he wants all she's done is weaponize her bottled up issues and thrown the blame back on him. And even in the hypothetical it doesn't justify what she did just validates her excuse. One of the biggest pieces of work Ive seen but also very real.
>>288502225>>288502247>>288502266I wasn't saying she didn't cheat, but I wasn't sure if there was even an alternative, assuming she's not lying.
>>288501998Short as fuck chapter, but another banger from the twisted mind of Minenami Ryo
>>288502256As soon as I realized he let a woman try to decide his right to die I just knew he was a passive little bitch that would bend over in apologies just to please them. This is entirely in character.
>>288502267>his ego as a man really would get hurt and he would no longer be the man she marriedYou said that, be he went and got himself checked when one of his coworkers suggested it, I don't think his ego was that much of a problem
>>288502402She never communicated clearly and instead relied on him to do all the detective work and even then she still wouldn't talk about a simple fear of heights.
>>288502351Sorry anon, Ryo needs to get the misogyny out of her system every now and then.This is 100% about someone she heard about.
>>288502383Holy fuck. Ryo-sensei is schooling us with KINO writing...
>>288502365She could say no, but the guy was previously shown to be insistent. From her perspective, he may have come off as someone who would never change his mind no matter what she said, so she didn't bother.
>>288501998Thanks for the dump. Finding out that you were actually sterile will be devastating
>>288502447Duh, any argument she brought up this chapter is psychopathic female behavior when you get busted AND can't solve it with sex.
The apartment is haunted... There are ghosts.
>>288502460>misogynyfunny way to write "accurate portrayal of women"
>>288502256I think it's fine?
>>288502447While I understand this woman is presented as a villain and taking her words at face value might be a fools errand, it's possible he had shown an ego previously that he politely left out of his story. Or she was simply wrong, people make mistakes like that in all sorts of major ways, it's not unfeasible that this could be one such moment.
the most practical example of DARVO created
>>288502285It reminds me of when I argue with my sister or mother, it's weird she didn't just start crying and stop listening because you are hurting her so much and can't deal with it.Ryo really writes stuff a man could never, in a million years.
>>288502517>people make mistakes like that in all sorts of major ways, it's not unfeasible that this could be one such moment.>having a kid is important to you so... I fucked delivery guy, a friend, your friend, who cares
>>288502455Yeah exactly even if she's a doormat that's an insane amount of bottling up and throwing it back at him feels like some passive aggressive shit>>288502447>>288502464I will agree that its telling he never got tested when she suggested it but did when a friend did (for something more innocuous tbf) so Im not sure that was her being too passive him being too stubborn or him not respecting her opinion (all of which are possible)
>>288501777Holy mother of woman logic and moment.
She's 100% right by the way.
>>288501777This one is an instant classic.
>>288502576Feels like she's just a massive ball of insecurity due to being small and thinks anything she does to protect herself is wholly justifiable because she's a weak little girl. While not explicitly evil, she will enact evil and call it righteous.
>>288502576Because she ISN'T a passive doormat, she ENJOYS pretending to be one just for moments like this.
>>288501998Thanks for the dump, OP!
>>288501804>>288501856>>288501879>I fucked Ted, it was the only choice.I can't I just can't, this author should become a comedian.
>>288501998I think its not the whole truth. After, the story is narrated by leafbro.
>>288502636It's realism, anon-
>>288502623>>288502629Oh no I completely agree I was just saying even if she was it wouldn't justify what she did. Her intentionally using it just makes it more malicious.
>>288502420she is lyingshe just wanted to cheat
>>288502659It's not even malice, it's baseline woman, weird she didn't bring up some retarded shit he did years ago.
>>288502464Yeah, that why I said he's an illiterate. You should be able to find out if your partner has an issue with something four years in, especially fears. Regardless of how they try to hide it.It's a feedback loop that keeps getting bigger due to complimentary flaws. One can't convey her feelings clearly, the other can't perceive the obvious signs. And it just keeps on going.
>>288502662She's not lying, she wouldn't be able to make all of this up on the spot. She's just a woman, really.
>>288502681>weird she didn't bring up some retarded shit he did years ago.Look at how she blamed him for never getting tested in the first place before she cheated. Yes. She is being completely serious.
>>288502740That's still related to the conversation.I mean something like>LOOK HOW YOU TALKED ABOUT ME WITH MY SISTER BEHIND MY BACK THREE YEARS AGOlevel stuff, the kind of throwing weapon women keep for years.
IT HASN'T EVEN BEEN 10 CHAPTERS AND I'm ALREADY RAGING.
Nobody writes telenovelas like Ryo. This shit has me gosipping.
>>288502785Your own fault really for reading ragebait manga. You love this shit.
She might not be lying about anything, but she's still kinda twisted. A person can think they're doing the right thing and still do terrible things. I'm not convinced she 100% thought this was the best course of action, but she may have thought it was 'a' course of action to solve her problem, or at least one of them.
>>288502812Yeah fuck you, you know why you're here too.
>>288502812>ragebaitthat would imply there's disengenous behaviour. Taiki's wife is a very regular woman's logic and actions.
>>288502845>women logicNo it's not, what you're seeing here is the classic woman behaviour when she gets caught doing evil shit, she goes full on gaslighting mode and blame it all on the guy for making her cheat.
>>288502919Exactly, regular female behaviour.>im never the one in the wrong, it's the world who wronged me for not recognizing my behaviour properly
>>288502845Truth is a lot of people love hatereading stuff like this and kanokari because it fuels their feelings of indignant righteous anger or something.
Greetings from Astana (formerly Nur-Sultan)
>>288502992Nah, ryo stuff may be telenovela slop, but it has instances of truly amazing writing and insights in female behavior.Kanokari is crap.
Are people hatereading this? It's not really bad where I think you need to do that. I just find it interesting because I feel like I can't fully trust any character. I don't feel like the manga is ragebaiting me or anything.
Okay, I'm going to operate under the assumption that leafbro Taiki has been honest, so why did the wife scar him? She already said the relationship was over right? Was it some final spiteful act for "breaking" their marriage?
>>288503051Yea, anyone claiming this is a hateread is a woman who identifies with the female characters and finds them relatable. This is just great writing and a twisted story.
>>288503051What the fuck is hatereading. If you hate it, you drop it. No, I'm loving it. Ryo's good at this whole drama thing. That came across very clearly in Boy's Abyss.
>>288502787Someone needs to take her to a mexican tv channel
>>288503092I just saw >>288502992 and was curious if that’s what people were doing. I’m enjoying it normally, I’d say, which is why I asked.
>>288502086>emotional pleaMore like emotional manipulation, everything we got from this chapter points to him being an awful husband. He was just using her to satisfy his dream, she forced herself to go along with it. Real question is why go to such lengths to accommodate him. I bet she divorce raped him after this.
>>288503064Read the chapter but slower this time. He blinded himself in his despair to win her back because of what she said. He wasn't thinking rationally anymore.
>>288503051I'm just enjoying the writing and waiting for best girl to come back.Don't get why anyone would get angry at this, for any reason.
>>288501687>>288501709>>288501733>>288501753>>288501777I hate women so goddamn much
I wonder if we'll get even a bigger psycho than yuuko.Waiting warmly.
>>288503132Ah my bad, I misinterpreted that bit, still, I really want to see if these two will interact in the present or if the daughter will show up.
>>288503064I mean, he said she killed him twice. Yet here he is, still alive and telling the story to Miko.If he meant she killed him metaphorically, maybe she scarred him metaphorically but in reality he just poked his own eyes out?
>>288503133Was it only his eye that was messed up? Wasn't there something on his face? Though a chapter or two ago when he was eating I didn't see anything.
>>288501753>husband can't get his wife pregnant>wife says she checked with a doc and doc said she was fine>husband doesn't check with a docWas he in denial or a brainlet?
>>288503205She killed him when he had a daughter with another man and when she blamed him for it.
>>288503205you are too stupid to read this, go back to romcoms about herbivores blushing at holding hands
>>288503051I love toxic melodrama so no hate required.
>WHY COULDN'T YOU READ MY MIND REEEEEquite a realistic woman/10
>https://x.com/ryo_minenami/status/2061110541851168950/photo/1Ryo's kot again.
Women were a mistake. Fuck you, God
>>288503272If nothing else, we know ryo DOESN'T agree with this bitch, holy shit she may be the most mentally stable woman on earth considering how hard she shits on female behavior.
>>288501634women...
>>288501777Why are you men seething at this page? Grow up
>>288503300bruh, wtf has that cat gone through. he's probably had to absorb Ryou's energy while she writes all her drafts of female characters trying to dial in their level of Woman-ness for her stories
>>288503219He didn't pay enough attention to her to notice.
>>288503241Just saying Taiki might have jumped off a cliff on his own and chewed on a few rocks because he was so distraught.
Kanokari bro here. I love that I get to rage at women for another week.
>>288503300Cute
>>288503208It's just his eye.
>>288501998Bitch wife is lying, what she's doing is textbook gaslighting
>>288501777the little art and banners and flowers and pictures in the background are nice touches to remind the reader of how happy and beautiful a home life this woman is wrecking
>>288503370I think this is it. He's too immersed in his fantasies which is a parallel to what Miko is teetering on. He also somehow didn't even notice that she was scared of heights throughout their relationship.
>>288503362What's wrong with him?He looks cozy.
>>288503390>face is covered in fork stab marksdid anyone call this
>>288503132She was probably raised to be accommodating and never developed a spine. When Taiki wouldn't give up she accepted him as the new boss she had to serve.Her reason for rejecting him in the beginning was that they weren't suited to each other. Ironically it's kind of the opposite, they had less conflict than a normal couple until this point because their flaws meshed so well. In that sense she was right.
>>288503051I have been following since chapter 2 and loving it.
>>288503436he looks out of his mind
>>288503425>be man>work hard>support your wife who DOESN'T WORK>come home tired>wife would rather play mindgames and wait for you to guess what's wrong with her than actually speak>AKSHUALLY HE SHOULD HAVE PAID MORE ATTENTION
>>288503425>hide everything and never communicate>IT'S HIS FAULT FOR NOT BEING A BETTER DETECTIVE
>>288503468>and never developed a spineNah, this chapter shows what she's actually like, people don't suddenly become extremely sadistic, twisted yet perfectly well articulated during a fightShe had been waiting for this.
Why is it Haunted Peaks?
>>288503481That's how cats look when they're in cloud nine.
>>288503425>He also somehow didn't even notice that she was scared of heights throughout their relationship.This, 4 years is lot of time to not pick up on your partner's acrophobia.
>>288503491>>288503512She said to his face the doctor told her nothing about her screams infertile. Taiki only went to check way after the fact and only after his friend was the one who said it to him, so yeah I don't think he even listens to her properly.
>>288503544There are ghosts.
>>288503389>>288503390What happened to his eye?
>>288503544Uh well....because the peaks...they're haunted?
>>288503051What are you a newfag? We’ve been having threads for mangas made by Ryo for the longest time.
>>288503584>hey dear, get yourself checked, just in caseAnd if she got pregnant like 1-2 months later, why would he doubt it?
>>288503587>>288503600>Haunted>BY WOMEN>AWOOOHEEE
>>288503425>>288503579I believe he didn't noticed it because i know a couple that were married for +10 years and when they divorced the guy complained that the woman liked to go to the cinema a lot but he hated it and beared with it for her sake and she never noticed.
>>288503524Nah, it's typical for suppressed personalities like hers to develop an underhanded vengeful streak as they stew in their resentments. It's not the same as healthy assertiveness and self-esteem.
>>288501777I mean she is gaslighting and bullshitting. But by that logic she could have gotten it from a sperm bank not by fucking another guy.
>>288503587
>>288503616You're missing the point of my post. I don't think there's any hatereading involved here, it's just interesting. It was in response to someone mentioning that this series was like Kanokari in that it's being hateread, and I was casting doubt on that.
>>288503692If he had asked she would have gone with>I NEEDED A REAL MAN INSTEAD OF YOU
>>288503692>wife meets a man that she finds much more attractive than her husband>she sleeps with him because she wants to sleep with him
Do you think there's any chance for Taiki and his ex-wife to find peace? Like assuming she shows up in the present is it just gonna be sorrow and resentment?
>>288503737nah you never forgive a woman for thatthe daughter though, what's up with her? where is she? how did the ex-wife get custody, wtf
>>288503756... why would he want the custody? I hope he's not paying child support either.
>>288503737lol no waythere's no mental gymnastics that can justify her actionsyou break up, you talk, you throw a fit, you don't decide on your own to cheat lmao what the hell
>>288503031God I need a new Oshimi manga in my life now Mabataki has finished.
>>288503756>how did the ex-wife get custody, wtfblood relationunstable father-figurespiteful woman who only wants to """protect""" herself by hurting the man she resents
>>288503783cause you've spent however many years raising her like she's your daughter and presumably loving her, and she didn't do anything wrong, so abandoning her seems tough if justifiablebut yeah thinking about it, he has literally no blood relation to her lol, guess a court will factor that in
>>288503783>I hope he's not paying child support either.he signed the birth certificate, he's fucked. even if japanese law is different, courts the world over always prioritize the welfare of the child. the only way out for him is the wife probably went to the real father and continued their relationship and cut him out entirely and left no-contest on the divorce settlements. he was able to sell off his condo and have enough left over for living a life of simplicity in the mountains afterall
>>288503719>hatereadingSo you’re a newfag then, why would you assume that we’re hatereading this when its only been 9 chapters while Kanokari has been ongoing for 400 fucking plus chapters and there’s nothing interesting going on with it.
>>288503389Aside from the eye thas not something you do with a fork
>>288503737>Boooohooo I feel sad for cheating>Taikuuun I am sowey!
>>288501998>I didn't do anything wrong and even if I did it was your fault and you deserved itEx-wife so far is one of the best portrayals of narcissism I've seen in manga
>every thread>WOMEN>this thread>who's hatereading? we're not hatereading>WOMEN
>>288503894 Because of >>288502992 obviously. Like I was saying, I didn't bring up the term out of nowhere.
>>288503978>this post>WOMEN
>>288503737Depends of how the rest of the flashback goes. I think that maybe
The characters are hateable, and that's why we like the story. You idiots don't know what hatereading means.
Taiki, his ex-wife, Miko and Momiji should just have a foursome, get all their toxic and twisted feelings out in the open.
>>288504013But who gets to fuck mountain-chan?
>>288503783It's not the child's fault whom you've built a relationship with.
I'm just waiting to see how mountaincuck will derive the worst possible lesson out of this story and fuck his life up even more.
>>288504038Ex-wife's daughter and mountain-chan are just watching the depravity
>>288504066lol, Miko will probably call him a retarded cuck and laugh at him for being tricked by a woman
>>288501777>>288501804>>288501827Cool scene transition with her moving in front of the family/daughter photos as she's talking.
>>288504013>Ex-wife rides Miko's cock and taunts Taiki about it>Momiji gives Taiki a blowjob to taunt Miko
>>288503854It’s possible someone took guardianship of the child while he was incapacitated and the mother arrested for attempted murder. They could ask for child support but since they chose the guardianship and are probably more than capable of raising a child it’s far less likely it will ever reach court by choice.
I wonder what is Ryo's motivation for writing this manga. Didn't her grandma died and that's the reason why she created Boy's Abyss?
>>288501827>Did you think I did it because I wanted to?wowwhat a bitchzilla
In the story he seems to blame himself, in a way when he's saying his ex-wife killed him twice, it might be a way to protect himself by accepting that as the truth. Because she really didn't have to cheat, he even tried to speak but she cut him off. In a way, when he told Miko, it's okay to hate the things he hates, he might have been thinking of his ex-wife hiding her feelings from him. Like, people make a comparison between Taiki and Mikoma, but I think Mikoma is more like Taiki's ex-wife.
>>288504158Yea, there's another chapter to him and the wife coming because even though this explains his wounds, it doesn't fully explain why he's able to be where he is with this lifestyle
>>288504066>>288504111Miko is going to do the most teenager thing and try to get with Momiji because he think he is not like Taiki
>>288504162i believe she just enjoys writing telenovelas and making her character misserable.The only exception was hatsukoi zombie and even there you could clearly see she wanted to make MC schizophrenic and make him end up with his tulpa but the editors stopped her
>>288502812>>288503051>ragebait>hatereadingthe fuck?i've been reading drama, soap opera dramas and i honestly don't get this mindsetmaybe the closest one was nisekoi but i ultimately drop it after 0 progression of multiple chapters
>>288504202Yea, he's not talking about hating his ex-wife, he's talking about from her perspective and how she just put up with everything for his sake without every voicing her dislike of it.If she had hated what hates, they could've still been together or never come together at all and sparing them both that situation.
so she stabbed his eye with a fork?
>>288504162>>288504237i really need to see ryo going 100% in one of her future manga
>>288504253He did it to himself, but she put him in that mental state. Selfharm, see it the way you want to see it. I blame her.
>>288504253>shehe stabbed himself
>>288504291Nah, female writers going 100% on their woman hate just leads to shit like this where it's so over the top it's just comical. Ryou is true genuine rage at female behaviour that is tempered by reality without giving in to passion
>>288503544Yeah, should've been called silent hills or something instead
>>288501753>>288501777well you know the old classic saying, "always communicate after getting married."
>>288504202>but I think Mikoma is more like Taiki's ex-wifeI agree, she even looks like him
>>288501804a women's mind is an enigma
>>288504416No, it's actually quite simple.>they forced me to act this way so I am not at fault
>>288501804The background in the whole chapter is so deliberate and beautiful framed. Kinography.
>>288502094Glad it made you unconsciously feel related to your pathetic life.That's how realistic modern relationships meet their demise when they begin through glowering and relentless simping.
>>288504359Someone couldn't take no for an answer during courting
>>288504238I feel like people keep misreading my post and thinking that I thought people were hatereading, when I was questioning that premise. It wasn’t an accusatory “are people hatereading?”, it was inquisitory because the term was brought up. The 2nd sentence was supposed to make it clear I didn’t think this manga was something that was hatereadable, but that seems to have not come across.
>>288501998>mfw reading this chapteralso thanks for the dump, anon
After anons pointed out the photos I took a closer look, that kid is grown. She really has been simmering in hate
>>288504376Also Miko is quiet and awkward like the ex-wife too. And gets playfully bullied by Momiji. The signs are there, I wonder how Ryo-sensei wants to develop this. Also for Taiki, to be face to face with someone who is emotionally similar to his ex-wife, he treats Miko with kindness.
>>288501687>it's your fault for learning the truth
heh women
>>288501998saved for OPTs
>>288504472>the wife parallel will actually be Roka and Momiji the husband parallelBig lol if true.
>>288503481>>288503300Hag heaven....
>>288503168Momiji soon, but because of the opposite reasons (Mikoma rebelling against his simp and glowering ways and finally standing himself in for what he truly wants).
>>288504589I will laugh pretty hard if Miko getting with Momiji is actually a good thing
got a feeling the ex-wife story will affect how miko interacts with momiji
>>288503384x2.
>>288503544>Haunted PeaksInternational name missing the point.Sangeki is supposed to be read as "Mountain Tragedy."
>>288504640I think seriously think Miko is gonna just think less of Taiki and mock him more mentally and ignore all his lessons. He already thinks he's a bitch for getting DV'd and now he learns his wife played him for a fool for their entire relationship.
>>288504640Maybe he becomes a lot more straight foward with her now
>>288501856>Cries and then starts laughing wtf
>>288504690breakdown
>>288504472oh god, momiji will be the one who gets fucked in the flash forward with the leaves falling over her face>b-but the hair...she cuts it after breakup (which makes her look like miko), the usual character development shtick for girls in anime and manga
>>288504640Or he takes fucking Makita's advice and stops being weird about Momiji.
>>288504162>Didn't her grandma died and that's the reason why she created Boy's Abyss?>>288504237>i believe she just enjoys writing telenovelas and making her character misserable.Neither. Abyss was strongly inspired by Ryou's own shitty family dynamics.
>>288504517>Also for Taiki, to be face to face with someone who is emotionally similar to his ex-wife, he treats Miko with kindness.He is a good guy after all, he biggest flaw is that he was oblivious of what his wife wanted
>>288504472oh shit
>>288504315>>288504316>misandrists
>>288504472oh boy
>>288504808speaking of that mangai was reading the WN but left disappointed when the author didnt do anything with the borderline yandere shenanigans with the hag
>>288501777>>288501804>>288501827>>288501856
>>288504640Its a tragedy. All of the thing that can go wrong will go wrong.
>>288501856ohh yikes
>>288504860It was never gonna be that twisted, but just getting that level of writing from such a hackey trope genre was quite a nice surprise. Even if it still became haremslop
>>288504864>Sucks the president's dick and sits on the presidential chair while everyone was locked down during the pandemic>Plays dumb on national tv
>>288504806anon that whole scene is leafbro's POV...
>>288504806I said I blame her, are you dumb?
I get the feeling like there will be timeskip.
I get the feeling that Momiji is going to be raped by the mc to teach her a lesson.
>>288504316>stabs his eye>ex-wife throws scalding hot coffee to his face and laughs telling him he deserved it.I can already see it. Please Ryo, please if you're reading this thread. Make it happen please!
>>288505199No, the MC will be raped by Momiji to teach him a lesson.
>>288505260You just know he's going to enjoy seeing it.
>>288501753This is getting too real bros
This author really just seems to hate men because I can’t think of any other context where the cheated on spouse should be the one apologizingOther people have pointed out that she could have just used a sperm bank. Not sure why she didn’t just do that? Now she’s doubly wronged both her husband and this rando who’s never gonna know he has a kid.
>>288501753>>288501777>>288501804>>288501827>>288501856Total bullshit gaslighter.
>>288505437I very much doubt the Author hates men.
>>288505437She cheated because she met a man that she found more attractive than her husband and wanted to sleep with him. Everything else is gaslighting.
>>288505437>He actually is clueless to the ways of a women.
>>288505437This is the kind of writing that comes from hating your mother and nothing else
The ex-wife's name is Chiho. And the daughter's name is Hanako.
>>288505437>This author really just seems to hate men because I can’t think of any other context where the cheated on spouse should be the one apologizingThe context is that the wife was the abuser, you're supossed to think she is in the wrong and gaslighting her husband into thinking he's the bad one, he straight up says it in this page >>288501879 , at that moment he believed her, but now he knows he was the victim of her abuse
The very concept of a sperm bank is personally repulsive to meThe idea that I could sell my cum for money and then have like a dozen kids scattered across the country without ever knowing or meeting any of them is completely repulsiveHow do guys go through with this? It’s extremely third world coded.
>>288505598i wouldn't worry about it
>>288505598You are helping infertile bros out in getting a child without fucking their wives.At least, thats would you should hope for and not your genetic progeny being tortured by single moms or lesbians.
>>288505598It's for infertile people, and lesbians, and single women who wish to start a family.
>>288505437>Other people have pointed out that she could have just used a sperm bankNot to defend her, but you need money for that, Taiki would have found out sooner
>>288505665Right but it would be my kid. I don’t think I could sleep at night knowing I willingly created a child I would never know or see. It just seems incredible to me that this doesn’t bother people.
>>288505598>be sperm bank owner>throw out all the sperm from donors>fill all the containers with my own sperm
They could also have just adopted right?
>>288505692Some donars do get approached by the kid, it also happens with adopted children trying to find their birth parents, just something in the Brain chemistry that makes this behaviour inherent. Also, surrogate mothers exist, so it's not just men experiencing this. In any case, it's for people who have no other choice.
>>288501777Chapters like this are why I read this woman's manga.
>>288505692Some people don't give a fuck about their bio kids. I remember some years ago reading about some guy who got her lesbian sister's wife pregnant by donating sperm, I get that you want to help you sister, but thats wierd as fuck, how can you see your kid being raised by her and insist on being their uncle instead of their dad
>>288505765Isn’t surrogacy just putting an already fertilized egg from woman A into Woman Bs womb? Idt any of woman B’s genes are involved. Or is it actually her getting implanted with cum straight up?
>>288505722This has happened several times
>>288505753Adopted children end up getting abused. Even more so if the couple are homosexual.
>>288505825>Isn’t surrogacy just putting an already fertilized egg from woman A into Woman Bs womb?Sometimes yes
What if the girl the mc keeps simping for is the daughter from this cuck situation That would be a funny twist
>be sperm donor>get sued by the surrogate parents for child supportI still laugh at the audacity.
Nobody here would be mad if the situation was reversed and leaf guy cheated on his wife because she was incapable of getting pregnant, and he knocked up some side piece out of a desire to make a kid You are all hypocrite incels
>>288505923>be man>knock up side piece>tell your wife that the child is hers
>>288505970You know what I mean
>>288505923You probably missed it, but last week I was defending Chiho. In this context I do feel like she's still innocent, but refusing to communicate is just emotional and literal neglect, she did abuse Taiki. I feel she's innocent because she's doing all of this to keep playing into his wishes. Something so fundamentally wrong with the fact that she saw a doctor, and told him, but he didn't follow through, that was just a mistake, or denial.
>>288505923Stop projecting. Taiki would be a piece of shit for that
>>288501634Evil woman is afraid of the Mountain. Only on Mountain you can escape.
>>288506035Nothing she did is defensible. He made mistakes too, but he's not the cause of his problems. She chose to to do all those things herself.
Why are Japanese authors so obsessed with NTR/Cucking? Is it a requirement for mangaka that they live through a hentai scenario as the discarded partner at least once? Fucking Nips man, I swear to God.I’m half convinced at this point that the MC will walk in on his crush getting railed by her probably homosexual boyfriend at some point and watch through a window
>>288501777>it's all your faultClassic.
>>288501998Drama kino.
>>288506070Yes she did, FOR HIM, that's the only thing that makes me give her the benefit of the doubt. If Taiki weren't sterile, they would have had a happy family like he wanted, she didn't want to deny that for him, and seeing as how he's not able to understand he should see a doctor, she felt like she has to do something, she even had the pressure of doing so before turning 30. It's a dynamic of Taiki being unreasonable or blissfully unaware of real facts, and Chiho being emotionally mute until she's confronted. Does that mean she hurt him on purpose? Fuck no.
>>288505923The story isn't over btw, it'll get worse until he gets leafed.
God can you imagine how many times she probably drained that other dude’s balls? Just an empty fucking tank. A dozen creampies. Marathon. Bet he was the school bully too…
>>288506112*by her possible homosexual boyfriend's ex-brother-in-law
>>288505199Inb4 Momiji is her daughter or something.
>>288506165>she didn't want to deny that for himso she went and fucked some random dude, got pregnant and had her husband raise some dude's kid praying he doesn't find out.A very happy family like he wanted yeah
>>288505923The complete and utter lack of empathy. Hustlers, take note.Women literally NEVER have the faintest shred of a notion that a child could potentially not be theirs. The remote percentage of it is completely and utterly impossible. For all the struggles, stressors, complications, and myriad of emotions they face from pregnancy, one of the benefits is that maternity is never, ever, EVER questioned. It is absolutely unequivocally, indisputably proven to them regardless of who the father is, they are abso dead certain without any room for error that they are the mother.The ONLY way a man can get even a shred of that confidence is through a paternity test, which can STILL be faked, fudged, or never truly read as 100%, only 99.9%.This is a feeling women literally cannot feel. It's so foreign and alien to them it is simply unimaginable. And because they cannot even begin to picture the absolute dread and sadness of this, they dismiss it and act like it's really not that big of a deal. You know why?Because women inherently view men as second class parents. They're the only REAL parent of a child. The man is just there. What would it even matter if the child is biologically his or not? He's such a distant second place to her that he's closer to a completely unrelated man on the other side of the world that he is to her, so what's the issue?The "empathetic gender" by the way.
You're 100% not supposed to Taiki at his word because there are a few things we've seen to clue us in about how he has a certain... behavior? Attitude? Regarding women.>Him and the older woman he was datingFirst, he says he never really liked her that much anyway once the relationship got a bit rocky/she started lecturing him, but two pages later he's saying he was "so happy and grateful" to be dating her, and that he "worshipped the ground she walked on" to the point he felt he was wearing himself out. But these somehow aren't strong feelings? He was content to worship her until he actually started to suffer the consequences of constantly placing her on a pedestal, or at least until him acting like that wasn't enough to actually keep her willing to put up with things she disliked about his behavior? I also read this as him being willing to behave a certain way until she ACTUALLY got into a position he actually considered higher than his, aka getting a "real world job", for whatever that may mean to him.>The manager/his friends as wingmenThis one's more subtle, but it's fascinating that he has a DIRECT LINE to Chiho, in that she's friends with the manager of his baseball team, yet she (the manager) is not mentioned at all in regard to him trying to date Chiho. No Taiki asking her to help get to know Chiho better, or maybe learn what Chiho likes/is like to maybe make the flirting easier. Instead, he just has his friends, random men Chiho does not know, help *wink wink nudge nudge* her in the direction of accepting at last.>His relationship with Honoka/Him wanting a sonSo, Taiki says a few interesting things.>I wanted a son. To be a father figure.>I wanted to be there for him.../I would have taught him baseball/I just wanted to teach something we could do together that we were both passionate about.>Men have an urge to pass something down to the next generation...(1/2)
>>288506250I have an instinctive desire to call you a fag but you didn't say anything wrong So I will anyway, for good measure. Fag
>>288506292This is the most damning. What do you mean you want to be a father figure, man? You (at least as far as he knows at this point in time) ARE a father. You already have a child. You already have someone to pass things down to, or passionately teach a hobby/do things with. Why is this a desire that can only be filled with a male child? What, exactly, is Honoka missing?This all just stuff from chapter 8, too. Taiki isn't "ARRRGH WHY DID GOD MAKE FOIDS"-tier but he quite obviously has some male-centrism that leads to him always putting women second, in different ways.
My aunt had a kid at 42The “before 30” shit is a slop excuse and defense. Obviously sooner is better sure, give me a break people. Until menopause hits a baby is always possible.
>>288506112>Why are Japanese authors so obsessed with NTR/Cucking?Classic expectations vs reality.Men want normal relationships, women want to be spoiled and socially climb and when they have the chance, they'll ditch the loser/normie bf they have as a bf to be with an alpha. You better wonder why Japan and Worst Korea are on the verge of extinction. Women don't want children with the lowe 80% of the population, only with the upper 20% (CEO and their heirs, Yakuza bosses and their heirs, class presidents, high profile actors and JAV people, 1st or 2nd class workers, gigachads, high profile soccer players)
>>288506241Yes, until he found out. That's the sacrifice she made, her dignity as a wife and a mother, that's why it's not as one sided as you think. If she wanted to hurt Taiki, really hurt him, she would have done so intentionally. Her actions, and I reiterate, are to keep playing his fantasy. So now that he knows the truth, she can't help but judge herself as well, that's the pain Taiki put her through by being unaware of his duty and responsibility as a husband, if she sees a doctor, it's only natural for him to do the same.
>>288506317
>>288506295Fair enough.
I guarantee you if he had been the one to cheat she would’ve flown into a rage and freaked out.
did boy's abyss have this much ragebait as well?
>>288506358>the sacrifice she made>cheating on her husband and seeking out other men to fuck>the sacrifice she madeyou are a woman
>>288506317Because like it or not you can have more in common with a child of your same gender retard, most people think the same. Jesus is like you guys don't talk to people
>>288501777
>>288506399Flashback namek and Nagi's backstory were pure kino r9k vs crystalcafe wars.
>>288506331Its more related to the risk of the kid having poor health
>>288506406Her dignity Anon, stop baiting me.
>>288506331It's not just about kid health, some people don't want to wait until they're old and wrinkly
>>288506419Imagine you’re just some random guy at a bar and then this chick drags you to a hotel and leg locks you until you come over and over again and then pass out
>>288506292>>288506317Great posts. Same behaviour is shown in Miko. The bullshit Makita sees through.
>>288501804>>288501827>>288501856in a twisted way, it's kind of romantic desu.
>>288506453>Herwhy yes of course the one losing dignity is the cheater not the cheated on obviouslyyou're not even trying 2/3 last (you)
>>288503389>>288503390is his right eye permanently damaged?
>>288506546It's commitment while being unfaithful, like she's doing whatever she can to let Taiki have his dream life. She could have done a better job at it, by communicating, but that's her character flaw, being emotionally repressed.
>>288506546I guess it could be regarded as romantic that she’s willing to surrender her bodily purity just to have a kid and make her husband happyBut it’s pretty obvious when you read between the lines that this wasn’t a selfless act, and that it being a selfless act is just cover for her own self selfishness. She clearly blames him for being sterile. It’s not just something she’s trying to work around is that she literally blames him for a biological problem He can’t help.The fact that there are plenty of options here that she could’ve gone with that didn’t involve sleeping with another man makes it pretty clear. She resents HIM
>>288506563I've already said my points, your ridicule is not an argument, and I don't waste time repeating myself.
>>288505970This but unironically.
We really messed up by making adultery, legal to be honestI’d really bet money that the people who pushed for it to be absent of any legal punishment were probably also cheating on their spouses
>>288504472>>288505340I want him to get broken so bad.
She cheated because she loved him.
>>288506698
>>288506698This reads like a Kengan shitpost.She loved him too much. That's why she cheated on him.
>>288506590prosthetic eye
>>288505437depiction is not endorsement.
>>288506698>she loved him.funniest thing said in the entire thread
>>288506723>use AI sexchatbots>can live out any fantasy you could ever dream of >jerk off over your dying wife cucking you What causes this behaviour?
He should have stuck with the older woman. She was pushing him to improve and not be a giant pushover. No way Older Girl-senpai would cheat
>>288505923nobody is mad aside from some newfags trying to force a meme, this is just how typical ryo manga is.
>>288505970It really is funny when you put it like this because it shows the complete and utter lack of awareness the guy you're responding to has. In the situation he's describing, you cannot lie to her about a child being hers. It's impossible to push this lie. This is why it hurts so much. This level of betrayal, knowing your entire life has been an absolute lie. That you're raising a stranger. It hitting you like a fucking truck is something absolutely unfathomable to women. This is why the notion of "REVERSE THE ROLES" is laughable. The roles cannot be reversed. A woman cannot be lied into being a mother. It's impossible. It's a 0% chance with absolutely no exceptions.Cheating on her, knocking up another woman, and taking custody of that child and trying to say "no, this is actually yours" is so far out of the realm of reality that it becomes a joke.
>>288506911I do not think it would have made the situation better if she had honestly said that it wasn’t his from the start. It’s still cucking lol
>>288506317maybe he had some issues regarding his mother during his childhood (kinda like miko)? thus gravitating to his father (grandfather in miko's case) and wanting to be one himself for his future son.
>>288506955Being cucked hurts and is awful.Being cucked without knowing, raising and loving a child that isn't yours, then realizing down the line that your wife doesn't love you, your child isn't yours, and your entire life has been a lie is absolutely soul crushing beyond understanding. I can't imagine how hard being cucked is, being cucked AND not only wasting all that time, money, effort, and love for a child that isn't yours has to break a man's soul in half.
Do you guys think she was plowing through a bunch of different guys or she just found some sucker to be her lover for a few weeks until the creampies won out
>>288506723>using aishit
>>288506911>>288507045Perhaps you're interested in a future when men themselves can get pregnant and avoid all this mess. No?
>>288507045This happened to my cousin actuallyHis first fiancé several years got pregnant and had a kid, which she said was his. He got the kids name tattooed on his arm and spent like a year thinking it was his until one day she straight up said she cheated, took the kid, left, and also stole his dog. Shit was nuclear tier disaster
>>288506698that's how women cope, gaslight and justify cheating.
>>288507091no but i would be interested in a future where women don't cheat for shit and giggles
The concept of cheating on a spouse is so crazy to me not gonna lieLike most people don’t have anybody at all these days, and here you are, with someone, MARRIED, and then you cheat on them. Like, what? You aren’t in an arranged marriage faggots nobody made you say I do.
>>288507091>Want women to not be cheating whores? Heh, guess that means you want to be pregnant yourself! No? Heh, well...DEAL WITH IT!!!Did this sound better in your head?
>>288507158Women are going to go extinct when they start making advanced ai robot waifus nglLike I’m not even saying this in an Incel kind of way, but at a certain point there will simply not be an advantage to an actual woman
>>288507158Got it, you want none of the burden.>>288507195Both men and women can cheat. Only women actually need to go through pregnancy.
>>288501998She's god's perfect coward. She won't say no to anything, but would rather agree to everything until the pressure gets so high that there's absolutely no other option but to get out of dodge before things explode. I don't know yet if this gesture is him going along with her way of doing things, or aggressively disagreeing with it.
>>288507237>Both men and women can cheat. Only women actually need to go through pregnancyHow many women pay child support?
>>288506963Perhaps, yeah. Like I said, his issues aren't as overt as Chiho's but they're absolutely there. Maybe we'll see a bit more of his past. (I personally am still curious on the relationship between him and the older chick. Could tie into his theoretical mommy issues, too.)
>>288502256I think the fork in the eye is instant regret made manifest with a dash of inability to admit defeat. He says these things >>288501908, but they're so antithetical to his own values that, the moment she says no, the first thing that comes to mind is to destroy the man who tried to go along with that charade in the first place.
>>288507237>Only women actually need to go through pregnancy.Ok? In what way is this some "GOTCHA!"?
>>288507279If they have the child, they are paying child support.
Do you think he would have sat in the cuck chair and watched her get piped by some College Chad
I was expecting something, but not at all of this level. Bravo Ryou
I miss the mountain angst.
>>288507526>completely ignores that men cheat tooWhat would your punishment be for men who cheat and what would your punishment be for women who cheat? In the case of pregnancy, would you force abortion or force birth? Or would it be a choice? If a choice, would the man or woman's choice be weighted more?
Women will do absolutely anything except admit that they hold all the sexual power in any relationship
kekkky
>>288507769NTA but >What would your punishment be for men who cheat and what would your punishment be for women who cheat?Well, personally I think it would make sense to fine people for Adultery. Maybe a caning. That sort of thing. Nothing too harsh but enough to shame them. >In the case of pregnancy, would you force abortion or force birth? Or would it be a choice? If a choice, would the man or woman's choice be weighted more?I mean, I’m sort of dubious on abortion-as-contraceptive myself, but I don’t see why you’d force an abortion. I do think adultery should be grounds for a divorce that gives most assets to the wronged spouse though, minimum
>>288504472This guy's actually getting some of my sympathy. It's clear he wasn't all the interested in dating her, but she put a lot of pressure on him and he can feel himself getting trapped
>>288505556More like ChiHOE
>>288508066You could always tell dude is just hating his life from the first time you saw him. I used to think she was holding something against him, but maybe she really is just that manipulative to pester him non-stop underthreat of smearing his reputation
>>288505556Is there something I'm missing
>>288506358It's her fantasy too. It became so as soon as she agreed to go along with it. It's all one big loop with her. She goes along with whatever someone else chooses for her until the things goes so bad that refusal becomes the only answer. She's too chickenshit to take responsibility for herself. The reason she starts crying at the end is that now it's not just her that's part of her vicious cycle, but that little girl also.
>>288505923Stop projecting your own self loathing onto the rest of us fag boy
>>288508204wonder how much of this behaviour is what Ryou knows personally
>>288506498Giwtwm
>>288508218They're japs. Passive aggressiveness runs in their veins.
IT'S SIMPLE. WE RAPE THE MOMIJI.
>>288506250Actually I think a lot of mothers are desperately afraid of having their baby mixed up by hospital staff.
>>288508252that's not a mother fear, that's a parent fear.
>>288508267Which the mother can feel. Honestly, with the amount of time she spent with the child up to that point I'm pretty sure women suffer from it more acutely than men do
>>288507890>fine people for adulteryCool. How much is that fine? Is it low enough that rich assholes can cheat all they want because they have money? Or is it proportional to their wealth? Are you even able to shame a rich asshole who just doesn't care?>I don't see why you'd force an abortionA baby that requires raising and taking care of is born of course. The amount of time, money and manpower would vary by jurisdiction.
>>288508246That's not passive aggressive, it's a mix of self-assurance and cowardice leading to utter destruction of everything around you and taking no accountability for the fallout so the cycle will always repeat. Think about the situation from their daughter's perspective and how she'll grow up around that mother until she finally realizes the truth: it was mom's fault and not her dad's like she was always told.
>>288506317Because guys want sons, who will have similar hobbies to them.It's not rocket science.
>>288506399You weren't here for the Boy's Abyss kino. The twists and turns that the manga had was too good that blindsided us.
>>288505870If she was, Leafman would know her grandpa.
>>288506317>You ARE a father>You already have a childno he isn't. That child isn't his. He hasn't passed down shit.
>>288505923>Nobody here would be mad if the situation was reversed and leaf guy cheated on his wife because she was incapable of getting pregnant, and he knocked up some side piece out of a desire to make a kid>You are all hypocrite incelsSo are you saying she did nothing wrong?
Leave it to ryo to make for some active and fun threads here, and like 10 chapters in.
I hope the mc rapes the dumb bitch tease but she like gets into it because she’s pleasantly shocked he’s actually being aggressive for once and she gets into it
>>288508368I haven't seen much activity from the JP side. Seems like they found it kinda boring from the jump. Which I disagree with.
>>288508386Rapists need to be castrated.
>>288508314And leaftbro is too prideful. He could be her father, given he can't be a father, but he decides to stab his eye out and live the woods or some shit. He and that woman really were the worst possible combination.
>>288508436Ryo series are never.... hits
>No best girl againBooooooo!!!!>>288508436No fanart yet so I could see it. But I'll wait for the first volume sales to judge interest.
>>288508436maybe it's too mundane for them. unfaithful families seem way too common in Japan
>>288508325And that stems from Taiki's issue of valuing men more than women. Honoka is "cute" and apparently that's all she is to him. She's not someone worth trying to teach his passion to, or even someone he'd like to share a hobby that they're both passionate about with. Again, at this moment in time he fully believes Honoka is his kid yet he's basically saying with full sincerity he doesn't consider her someone worthy of 'passing down' to. That's fucking horrible for a father to think of a child, regardless of the child's gender. But she (and Chiho) make him so "genuinely happy", and he "gave them everything he had to give.">>288508359Yes. Which is why I specified >at least as he knows at this point in timeHe did not know of the infidelity at the point where he was having those thoughts, so for all intents and purposes, yes, Hanako was his child entirely. I'm looking at his mindset as it would've been at that exact timeframe. It means that even before he knew she wasn't his he still valued her less than her non-existent little brother.
>>288508709Yes. Everyone in Japan cheats. Haven’t you seen the statistics? I’m convinced the entire population would kill themselves if they didn’t have whores and coworkers to return to.
>>288508524I mean >>288501908
>>288508524Inb4 the coworker she rejected in favor of the "fragile and petite" Chiho reaches him.
>>288508709>have a jp friend>she cheats on her boyfriend and considers it as stress relief>confront her about it and if she has any guilt over it.>she says no because there's no feelings behind it and she just sees it as a stress relief.Yes it's actually real, don't be fooled with the whole "kawaii desu ne" front that they have. They are serial cheaters and would cheat on you especially if you're not a native jp speaker.
>>288508524This is insane It’s not prideful to not want to raise a cuck child
>>288508876>she says no because there's no feelings behind it and she just sees it as a stress relief.It reminds me to a certain female heroine from a very VERY popular, the most popular and realistic ongoing shounen romance manga.She said the exact same words to the MC in a date.Guess who i'm talking about.
>>288501687just want to chime in and say that France doesn't allow you to paternity test
>>288508984I read that 70% of couples in France cheatI genuinely don’t understand how a society can get that bad
>>288501777>777WINNER it's just to kill the kid and wife right? like morally sound and correct? and the random she banged? and her parents for raising her to act this way? haha jk
>>288508941A-anon I have no clue which series you're referring to.
>>288508781>>288508876They're not as burdened by the legacy of Christian dogma. This might also be part of why they're generally more accepting of sexual behavior while western standards end up censoring their perceived deviancy.
>>288508249>RAPEEAT*
>>288509095They used to chop your head off for adultery in Japan nigga cheating was never seen as ok until recently
>>288506508>Same behaviour is shown in MikoWhich means he will take the wrong lessons out of this.
>>288509156>the land of geishas and hostesses cares about cheating
>>288508984They allow it if you go to a court. The law is more against private companies having your and the baby's dna
>>288509156They chop your head off for any crime everywhere if you go back far enough. Japan doesn't have a divine mandate that says thou shall not sleep with a ho or you shall be banished to the shadow realm.
>>288508739Holy projection
>>288506358Holy cope. >>288508781No wonder there's a terminal fear of playboys in animanga. There is no social construct of shame.
>>288509156LOL ok weeb
>>288506820How do you think she got that job anon...
>>288509090Kinokari, the magnus opus of romance manga.
>>288501777LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>288507509It may also be a loose reference to Oedipus. Finding out you've been duped into a relationship (in his case, fatherhood) that you 100% would not have agreed to had you known the truth. Oedipus blinds himself after finding out his wife is his mom, Taiki half-blinds himself after finding out his daughter isn't actually his.>>288508436Good thing this is planned to be a shorter series, then. It'd suck if this got axed and we got a mega-trainwreck ending.
>people in the mangaplus comments running to defend this bitchTaiki's 30% at fault here at most based on the information provided. This woman is vile. Literally weaponizing her mistakes and awkwardness to justify sleeping with another man and having a kid (sperm bank? what are those?)
>>288510195>30%a bit high imoshe literally hid everything the best she could and even when he noticed she didn't talk about it
>>288510334im giving her the benefit of the doubt that Taiki had an ego. But given Taiki's current personality, I doubt he's trully a narcissist. He wouldn't be in this state if he was. Taiki was probably just naive. It's the same way he accused her of being a little girl when they first met. He says something wrong and awkward because he was dense. But upon recognizing his mistake, he would apologize.At worst, Taiki's ignorant. He's not leading her on. She's just refusing to communicate. To an extent, her submissiveness can evoke sympathy, but she objectively did something heinous and tried to justify it. Taiki would apologize in that situation. That's the difference between them
>>288510195I'm just checking and most of the comments are calling her out.
>>288510449Get out of here microcuck, you are not going to ruin this thread
>/a/ believing and defending 3dpd whore.I can't believe it, how and why has /a/ fallen this low.
>>288510601...what?
>>288510658Sorry I thought you were some schizo from /csm
>>288510723Leave your discord shitflinging elsewhere
>>288510449Half of those comments are trying to blame Taiki for the matter and it's ridiculous. Whatever wrongs he made in this relationship barely hold water to hers
>>288510723
>>288509475>No wonder there's a terminal fear of playboys in animanga. There is no social construct of shame.I wonder if the reason every mangaka above the age of 30 seems to hate their parents is because of stuff like this. Knowing that your mom is getting bent over her desk every day by her manager and your dad is spending half his pay on handjobs from college girls probably fucks you up Miserable society
None of you are looking at this manga clearly enough.Momiji is the wife, yes. Roka is Taiki and Miko is the one the wife cheated with.
No, it’s pretty clear that the boyfriend isn’t actually in love with her at all and just drifting along because it’s easier than fighting her
>>288502351The true haunted peak was the crazy bitches we married along the way.
>>288510900Yea, he even says so in the first chapter >>288504472somehow doubt they'll be mirrors of each other but composites
>>288510900Yes, but he still exists for a reason
>>288510874Yeah stfu, whores deserve to be stoned! Momiji deserves the rape!
>>288510761Eh, worst I see is some telling others to wait until we get the full perspective and not just his. It's reasonable given how Ryou doesn't do completely blameless characters. Like how in Abyss everyone had flaws and made mistakes. But even then it's the same as here, calling her out for her bullshit even though there is some subtext present.
I just don’t understand how the husband is to blame at all. Yeah, he should have gotten checked sooner. Ok. How does this give permission for her to cheat? Her desire for a child was stronger than her loyalty to him? She tried to twist it to make it seem like she was doing him a favor via sacrificing her dignity but I honestly think she was just doing it out of resentment towards his sterility. He literally didn’t do anything wrong that would justify cheating. He isn’t hitting her or cheating on her first. He’s just being dense.
>>288510836>college girls>not jc or jkNitpicking aside yeah that just sounds...awful lol
>>288511187He isn't we're just hedging our bets that he's an unreliable narrator by playing devil's advocate
>>288511357Yea, he's also given us enough hints that he's at some level of fault for their relationship falling apart, but there's no defending what she did.
>>288501777this has to be one for the books.like belongs in an /a/ collage
The smarter play would have been to claim rape. He’d probably believe her
>>288511435she's been wanting to hurt him for a long time
What kind of guy do you think she preyed on to get knocked up?
>>288510874Roka is the wife, he doesn't want to be there. He's going to cheat with Miko.
>>288511498He's already shown that he's fine hating what he hates. He's not the same as the wife
I think she’ll respect him more if he rapes her. Right now she thinks he’s a spineless idiot. If he actually holds her down and fucks her she'll at least concede he’s a man. Might even dig it
>>288501634>didn't bail once he saw all of the red flagsGentlemen, this is why you always heed the flags.
>>288501777>of course it did!Ryo is a master at created OPT material
>>288511592Were there really red flags? I can see how he could interpret this as a nice thing, she was willing to set aside her fear of heights to make him feel happy etc
Wow, this thread blew up unexpectedly. We may actually hit bump limit. Day 1, no less. Then again, Ryou wrote one of her vintage woman moments, which always gets the hot seethe flowing.After all is said and done, the lesson Mikoma takes home from this discourse will be instrumental in his character arc. He already sees himself reflected in Ebihara. He knows on some instinctive level that Momiji has the same venom as Chiho dripping behind that innocuous smile. But this is a Ryou narrative, so he'll dance to Momiji's rhythm until he's bitten. He'll fucking deserve it if he makes a spectacle of Ebihara by bringing Momiji to the mountain to "get dirt" on his imaginary "dark secret."
>>288511649>her Of course it’s a female author hahahahah : D
>>288511646From the very start.
>>288511698How is this a red flag? That she didn’t say yes immediately? Idk Agree it’s shitty he was willing to dump his girlfriend immediately to ask this other girl out though. Maybe that’s what turned her off.
>>288511738Because he kept pushing it for six months. A week or even a month is fine, but six? That's a major red flag.
>>288511818>this retarded shit againpursuing someone for six months doesn't mean asking someone every day. it doesn't even mean asking someone three times in that span. it just means that he didn't drop his feelings during that period. You can make events or plans intermittently to set up the mood.I wonder how some of you people think to say that half a year of liking someone is considered pushy behavior. The timeframe on its own doesn't tell you anything. You need to know how he approached her within that timeframe. This is not a red flag in the slightest. That's simple dedication.You people are so invested in seeing the wrong that you jump to some dumb conclusions. There are some people who chase after others for years.
He should have stayed with the older woman and cashed in on the bank He’d also not be a cuckold
>>288511818The six month thing can be fine or bad depending on how he went about it. The fact he enlisted his baseball buddies to try and help him out leans a little more towards "too much"
>>288511948I don’t really see it. He was in love. This is fine. If it was a romantic comedy manga, nobody would have a problem with it. nobody would care. She herself clearly didn’t care either. I asked my girlfriend at least three times before she finally said yes.
>>288511880By that same metric we don't know if he didn't ask her everyday. All of this is coming from him so interpretations are valid.Even if we gloss over the fact that he got his buddies to help it's clear that she didn't want him and yet he kept pushing. That alone is a red flag, along with her lack of honesty there are hints that the relationship wasn't going to end up well>>288511948Yeah, it's a matter of finding out what really happened exactly.
>>288511978Do you have a daughter Is she yours
>>288511818And she said yes 6 months after he rallied his friends into being wingmen (AKA doing group nampa onto her).I'm suspecting she fucked the entire group before accepting Taiki.
How does Male infertility even work like does his juice just not have sperm in it or something?
>>288512059density of functional swimmers is the usual wayhe mentioned some specific thing so you could google it
>>288501558Imagine grasping her short hair and firing lustful ropes as she stares at the ceiling and feels pleasure at another man’s dick that isn’t her husband…
>>288501908>so I got on my hands and knees>he actually DOGEZA'Dholy fuck
>>288512208She probably didn't even enjoy it Just did it cause
>>288512059his sperm is dead, he is shooting blanks like coconut juice without the sperm.
>>288512246No she 100% cameShe’s doing it to spite him from resentment
>>288503737If Esemori and Yuko could, I don't see why Taki and his ex can't
>>288512359I think Taiki has come to terms with his role in fucking everything up, but the wife doesn't seem like she will ever accept that her lackadaisical cowardice approach to her relationships and life will make her realize she's at fault.
>>288505437>This author really just seems to hate men because I can’t think of any other context where the cheated on spouse should be the one apologizingDid you genuinely think the author's agreeing with his apology, rather than showing how he was being mentally broken down and manipulated by the woman? Did the POV shot of him about to gouge out his own fucking eye not clue you in?Ryo is as far from a man-hating mangaka as it gets, if anything the psychological darkness of women is her biggest recurring theme.
His wife is taking it up the ass from 80 year old men in a club to pay for her single mother shit hahahah
>>288512475Maybe she's living a comfy housewife life with the real dad
>>288512359Yuko loved Esemori, and Esemori figured out the demon Yuko in his head back then wasn't real so there was always a chance for reconciliation. Yuko was fucked in the head,but still human, but ex-wife is a narcissistic bitch. You can't talk to people like that because they'll always turn the blame back on you.
>>288512491Based NTR story where he shows up in the rain and looks through the window and sees his stolen family….
>>288512491I don't remember if he's gone over what's happened with his wife and child, but there's so many possibilities with what happened afterwards
>>288512475lmao she's likely told some guy everything he wants to hear and has already remarried. The landmine has already been reburied for the new guy to walk on.
>Hmmmm my husbando wants a child before 30>Hmmmm something seems to be wrong since we're not conceiving a child after trying>I KNOW LEMME FUCK THIS OLD OJII SAN OVER HERE TEEHEE>He wouldn't even know hehe I'm so quirky and smart!>OH NO HE FOUND OUT>QUICK THINK>OK I'M GONNA GASLIGHT HIM TEEEHEEEE>IT'S HIS FAULT FOR BEING IMPOTENT!>HE'S AWFUL AND DESERVE THIS>LMAO HE STABBED HIS EYE>WITH A FORK! NOT EVEN A KNIFE!>SERVES HIM RIGHT.IMAGINE JUST IMAGINE DEFENDING THIS CUNTWHORE.
>>288512516I still want to see how she behaves outside of Taiki's story. I want to see if she really is an evil bitch or if both of them are retards whos problems would have been solved if they talked to each other
The moral of the story is clearly that she should've kept sleeping around. He'd have a son by now and be none the wiser. She didn't have what it takes to go all the way.
>>288513155naruhodo...
>>288513155No half measures
>>288513155this, a 2nd child, preferably a son, would have made him not think about it too much.
>low jap readership numbersThis is getting axed.
>>288513456JUST go full NTR and have a kid with a different man every year.
>>2885134613-act theory is gaining more force.
>>288513461Japan has rejected bleak, they demand hope. Their real life is misery as is
>>288513478She can't do that because the half siblings could end up looking too different from each other to pass off as her husband's kids. To fully cover her tracks she has to go back and keep fucking the man the man who knocked her up in the first place to make a new child similar to the first one. irl I know a woman who did this and that's how she got caught
>>288513594>they demand hopeNah.
>>288513651>irl I know a woman who did this and that's how she got caughtNo way this is real
>>288513461is Ryou even well-regarded?
>>288513709Not particularly but Hatsukoi Zombie was a moderate success for a small time mangaka like herself.
>>288513594So, they rejected realism and want escapism.Gen Urobutcher called out nips for that.https://x.com/i/status/2062172452029944030
>>288513701I've seen things you wouldn't believe. First kid was his, second was his cousin's which was similar enough to pass I guess, but third was by a rando and that kid turned out so dissimilar to the others that the guy's mom was yelling at him that the kid wasn't his by 1 years old. It sure as fuck wasn't planned but the third kid being from an unrelated guy and ending up looking so different was the spark that ignited the bomb.
>>288507769>completely ignores that men cheat too>wow, this story about this man getting cucked and tricked into thinking this child is his is awful, what a terrible thing she's done>UHH, MEN CHEAT TOO, RETARD!!!!Again, did this sound better in your head? "Women get pregnant so it's not as bad if they cheat"? I don't understand what you're taking issue with.This is incredibly awful not just because "she cheated". It's "She cheated, lied and said he wasn't infertile, never told him, and now he's been raising a stranger, years of his life were an absolute lie". All the emotional investment and love he gave to "his" child was a lie. What does "men cheat too" have to do with this?
As an autist this manga is terrifying
>>288514288regular men are equally scared. women like this exist even if they are rare.
>>288514310It's not the woman part, it's the being entirely oblivious to the discomfort of others part
>>288514310>women like this exist even if they are rare.They're more frequent tho. At least in JP/SK.Women now chase freedom to ride the upper 20% cock carrousel, not stability, and have zero tolerance for romance and simpery. Especially SK girls.
>>288511187If she got an anonymous sperm donor she'd have a shred of an argument she acted in good faith. Instead she spread her legs for another man and let him use her body for his pleasure. "I wanted to get pregnant for you so bad" falls to shreds when she went out and found a man to fuck her.
women, not even once
>>288513461>This is getting axed.Yeah. Just like Boy's Abyss. Oh wait.
>>288514310>rareLmao.
>>288501777One of the ways you can tell this is written by a woman is the way they don't shy away from the true depths some, not all, but some woman can fall into in the insanity of modern society.
>>288504490You don't seem to understand what the word means in this context.
>>288506331It's about making sure the kid isn't retarded, there's nothing to defend or excuse it's simply basic logic you'd not want to have retarded kid.
>>288514390You haven't seen the absolute vile that is CN women yet.https://youtu.be/b0Fd5vHyve4?si=Ar7MOdTL_d-hj0_shttps://youtu.be/Ry_1sYqyCAY?si=YyVkFvvRMeD_SLgsI swear, if I ever become rich, I'll stay away from woman.
>>288513482she already announced that act 1 was finished 2-3 chapters back.
>>288515495>I swear, if I ever become rich, I'll stay away from womanJust have some self respect and a life project (be it have children, start a family, or even commit double suicide) and the right one will come.
>will soon be the first thread to hit bump limit for this mangawhat a chapter to have that happen at.
>>288501753>YOU SHOULD HAVE JUST KNOWN WHAT TO DO!!!>THIS MEANS IT'S OK FOR ME TO DO WHATEVER I WANT!!!Holy actual realistic woman moment.
>>288515912The power of woman moments.
>>288514918Even if I didn’t understand, I wasn’t implying people were hatereading, that was people not seeing the post I was referring to and thinking I decided to make up the term on my own
I’m seeing some people try to blame the wife for him stabbing himself, but it was very clearly his own fault. People have goaded and manipulated others into hurting themselves, but I don’t think this situation applies at all.
we already hit the limit, you don't have to try and bait responses with retarded false opinions.looking forward to our next stop on Ryou's Wild Ride
>>288503468I agree, I think the six months of pursuing her with his wingmen is what caused her to give up and accept her new role as his partner. Her actions make sense for someone who feels like they've been backed into a corner, considering that Taiki never really saw her for the person she was beyond that role. Ending the relationship would be like erasing the role she's played for so many years, she would have nothing left. Taiki's mistake was questioning the sincerity of their relationship far too late. Or, for pursuing an one-sided obsession in the first place.
>>288516534I’m not baiting anything. Whether or not he’s to blame for the cheating isn’t something I care to argue. The series is pretty obviously showing her in a more negative light. But you can’t blame her for him stabbing himself. Nothing about what she said suggested that was something he should do. It was his own bad reaction.
>>288516618Yep, has a lot of similarities with Roka as well. His role is to be Queen's guard in school
>>288506331I was born when my mom was 40 and now I'm on 4chan.
