Doomed by the narrative
>>288556728>How I sleep knowing my character arc amounted to nothing
>tfw you will never comb out Power's luscious hair>tfw you will never gently caress her smooth horns>tfw Power will never grab your arm like she owns it to drink your blood>tfw Power will never bite your dick clean off mid blowjob but it's ok because it'll reattachI will keep posting this in every thread until god hears my pleas and grants me a Power gf
>>288556800that was sort of the tragedy of aki. he had a brutal death which only served to break denji.ultimately he never truly got past the gun devil incident, it ruined his life, his possibility of family and led him to an early grave, which caused great grief to his friends
>>288556850The true tragedy of Aki is that he did grow as a character, but by the time he did it was already far too late for him.
>>288556893that's why Fuji's stuff is pretty tough on readers. The large majority of his characters don't get to accomplish anything at all. They live, they struggle and they due without obtaining their goals.Power is like the one rare case where he has allowed the character to triumph
>>288556956die*
>>288556956Even then, Power also struggled and suffered immensely, both physically from what Makima did to her, and emotionally from having to motivate Denji that life is worth living.
>>288557076but her death is a moment of triumph as she causes denji to break out of his slump and assists in taking down makima. and of course she later returns to the story.by comparison, aki wished to sacrifice himself for denji and power, but instead ends up causing them pain and suffering, which leads to denji's breakdown at the hands of makima. after that he's only briefly mentioned to draw comparison with yoshida, another doomed character
>>288557134True, Power's death is a heroic sacrifice while Aki's death is just misery.No matter what, to be Aki is to suffer.
I love my wife
>>288557646
>>288557134power was able to communicate that to him, aki wasn't, too encultured
>>288556728>Denji compares Yoshida to Aki>Denji compares Yoru to Power>Denji wonders, after Nayuta's death, if the ceremony will nonetheless have the Conquest DevilShe's incomparable.
I'm still not over this shit bro am I'm salty as fuck over it. I have never been burned by a mangaka so bad before.Fuck everything this mother fucker does or will ever do. Fuck this incompetent has been fraud who is rightfully overshadowed by every other fucking mangaka he's ever encountered and never met. I hope he fucking retires but it honestly doesn't make a single fucking difference I will never read or watch a single fucking thing that comes from this mother fucking scammer bro and I hope every fucking work that comes from this fucker flops and bombs everywhere he tries to put it out.All trust and good will is fucking gone bro.
>>288556800They're both awake blind faggot.
>ever character I told you to care about dies>now onto the next random thing that pops into my headhow did people tolerate this for 200 chapters?
>>288557646Your wife brutally murdered my wife.
>>288557963By not being sensitive shonen babbies
>>288557963We expected Denji to mature eventually.That moment never arrived.
>>288556800I mean, everyone is going to die a meaningless death. Denji in the new timeline is a lot less powerful, and will someday die permanently when he encounters a demon he can't beat. That's the whole point, insignificance is happiness.
>>288558105New timeline Denji has a permanent Blood Devil contract, plus Kishibe said he's the most promising devil hunter he's ever seen.He will live for a long time.
>>288557995https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72eQWIYoi4o
>>288557995Is she all right?
>>288558159Well, KiSHITbe is a retard who is largely responsible for the ultimate collapse of the old world, so no one should give a fuck about his opinions.
>>288558202You can say a lot of bad things about him (alcoholic, dumped Nayuta on a traumatized teenager, etc.), but he knows his stuff when it comes to devil hunting.
>>288558196Yes, but more importantly, she made Makima suffer.
>>288554715Actually, random troons from xitter saying they don't like Chainsaw Man is a good thingAlso, go back
>>288556800Yes that was the tragedy of their arcs, congratulations for having basic reading comprehension
>>288558305>troons from xitter saying they don't like Chainsaw ManFujimoto reference
What could have, no, what should have been.
>>288558450I bet it was all Makima's fault. She got butthurt that Pochita and Yoru had a thing going on and ruined it
>>288558463And yet, even after all she had done to him, Pochita still wanted Makima to be happy. What a hero.
>>288558532He actually said she couldn't be fixed and needed to be killed so she could born again and maybe become a good person
>Make Conquest's dream come true.>Nvm.
>>288558540>He actually saidSure, trust the demonic orange mutt as a valid source of information...
>>288558576He wasn't wrong not even once
>>288558540Eh, same difference. Pochita is still a devil after all.
>>288558532But Makima didn't do any harm to Pochita...
https://x.com/nagayama_koharu/status/2063237745066274821HOLY SHIT PART 3 CONFIRMED
>>288558675Well, the four horsemen fought Pochita to near death before the story, and Makima then proceeded to beat the crap out of Pochita (in order to enter a loving, equal mutually supportive relationship, but still) and she called him a poser, which was at least attempted emotional harm.Also she basically ruined Denji's life and Pochita cares about Denji.
>>288558778Fucking fat fuck.
>>288558305As opposed to random troons from /csm/ saying they like chainsaw man? lol fuck off "ma'am"
>>288559023You're the one posting xitter screencaps buddy
I'm beginning to think that Makima was genuinely retarded.
I'm beginning to think that Makima was genuinely right about everything.
>>288559095That's because you're a slowreader>>288559112That's because you're a speedreader
>>288559095When you get right down to it, Makima was just this guy.
>>288558066It becomes boring after a time. Why do you think series where a lot of people die at the begining slows down a lot with deaths past a certain point?
>>288556728canonically alive now btw, good on fujimoto for leaving a happy ending after getting bored with the series
>>288559139It's because I'm not a huehuehue.
>>288558450Yoru liked about Denji but hated Pochita speedy. >>288558463 Pochita cared about Makima, but he didn't give a shit about Yoru
Fujimoto finally tweeted after over a month, and it was just to recommend food.
>>288556728hey they got their offscreen happy ending after part 2
>>288556728After rereading part 2 I can say with 100% certainty that Asa and Yoru were trans
>>288558450>>288558463Kekaroo!
>>288559370It's a good thing Yoru didn't get to have sex with Denji.
>>288559370Pochita knew this must not come to pass.
I wish Makima was real...
>>288559237Further confirmation he doesn't give a fuck about chainsaw man
>>288559420And people ship Pochita with Yoru and not with Makima, lol the mutt hated Yoru
>>288559237Based
>>288559237I liked when he posted a tweet about enjoying Pikachu donuts while Korean women were screeching about reze being inspired by a porn actress
>The dog ate her kid>ate half of her>ate her sister>didn't let her have sex with DenjiI think Yoru's hate for Pochita was justified
>>288559446she is, its called Klaus Schwab
>>288559206>>288559370>>288559518>t. makima seething
>>288559420>>288559427At least Denji still has a chance to meet Yoru in the new timeline (his poor remaining testicle...) - something HEARTchita will never get to do. WarSaw cucks lost so unbelievably hard it's crazy>>288559593TRVKE>>288559662Cucked by his own human host award
>>288559446That is the pain inherent to being a waifufag. We must bear it nobly.
>>288559740What a magnificent future trannymoto took from us, fucking bastar
>>288557995High ranking deviru vs low ranking deviru.Its the natural order.
>>288559206>Pochita cared about Makima, but he didn't give a shit about YoruYou weren't supposed to point that out.
>>288559446Barem..
>>288559740Mainstream audiences weren't ready for this level of kino
>>288557951onions fon
>>288559112
>>288559783>Its the natural order.Power and Pochita both rejected a might makes right view of the world and managed to do what Makima never did: have a genuine connection with somone.
>>288560055And how did that end? With Pochita erased, Powy enslaved and Cutequest at the top of the foodchain again.
>>288559740Fujimoto if he wasn't a hack
>>288559740there is no yoru just like there is no makima. they existed solely due to their obsession with pochita
>>288560239Well, in the end Pochita got what he wanted and Denji and Power get to lead a normal (for them) life. So in a way, everyone won.I am only seething a little bit.
>>288560239Yuta is the biggest winner of this ending ngl.>>288560317Not showing anything about Yoru in the last chapter was a massive dick move.
Mappa can't salvage shart poo I fear
>>288560440True.>>288560471Its what its.
>>288559740Fujimoto derailed the whole story for Yoruden and then proceeded to give it no closure :^)
I hope trashmoto never draw or write again
Period appropriate Power
Consider: AkiAngel but with the Gun Fiend
>>288561241Fujimoto hopes so too
>>288561241He's too busy stuffing his mouth with desserts >>288559237Oh, and the last volume of his manga came out too, but it wasn't important enough to tweet about it.
>>288561453And yet the volume is topping the sale chartsHe just keeps winning
>>288561241He already moved on to drawing his next waifu while we're speaking.
I want to feed Power and I want her to try to bite my hand every time I bring food up to her mouth.
>>288561453There's no need to promote something that always sells
>>288561302Reze a WHORE
>>288559237Kek, I bet Fujimoto literally jumped for joy when he finished Chainsaw Man and finally became free from that manga and its fans forever.
>>288561815>jumpedI doubt that...
>>288559740Sadly Yoru won't look like Ass in this timeline.
>>288561743And I want to marry Makima and sire a cute daughter with her.Unfortunately, she is not real, and neither is Power.
>>288561956>look like Asa*
>>288561970But that's how losers think
>>288561970And yet I will continue to yearnpost here, and implore you to do the same.
>>288562051Fair
>Guy tried to leave the girl alone on their first date because he thought she was boring, and only failed because of a devil’s power>Guy forgot about the girl and wanted to fuck another girl in a karaoke room>Guy wanted to go to a brothel and fuck prostitutes even with the girl right beside him>While drowning, the guy remembered his Russian ex-girlfriend and admitted to himself that he still loved her>Guy had fun with the devil inside the girl’s body (even wanting sex with her) despite it only ruining her life>Guy tried to kill the girl with a chair without thinking twice just because of a suicidal request from her, and even got annoyed when she dodged>Guy tries to have sex with the devil inside the girl even after seeing her try to kill herself because of that same devil, even after seeing her cry over having that same devil inside her body, and even after promising to kill that same devil and save her>Guy’s magical talking dog says he was unhappy when he “connected” with that girl>The world resets and the guy and the girl don’t remember each other anymore and become strangersWhy the fuck are there still people shipping these two? It’s basically a humiliation ritual.
>>288562073Miss Makima is so cool....
This Yoru is so cute and so pitiful at the same time. I want her to meet Asa again (same way as Power reunited with Denji). Asa is Yoru's sister and family after all.
>>288562171
Kinda crazy how Fujimoto fumbled all of Conquest sisters.
>>288557820Trueeeee
>>288562171>there still people shippingI see very few of them atp. You see there's rarely any Asafag defending or praising this ship now.
>>288562316literally everyone including fujimoto still ships asaden, you're just a schizo that still posts about yoshida
Fujimoto ruined my life
>>288562201Fujimoto peaked with her design.
>>288562171>The world resets and the guy and the girl don’t remember each other anymore and become strangersScholars knew AsaDen was always bait.
>>288557830BAAAAAAASED. May the only thing Fujimoto is remembered for be destroying his own story and creating the worst ending in shonen history.
>>288562357Magnificent creature!
>>288562394This, scholars knew
>>288561241Don’t worry, Fujimoto doesn’t want to keep writing anymore either.
>>288562323>yoshidaMeh don't care for him anymore. Atp I prefer Asa to gain her own devil contract and defend herself. As our wise ancestors always said, being a strong independent woman is still best path yup.
>>288562171I just wish Yoru did crush Denji's balls...
>>288562316Most Asafags got disillusioned with Scumji to the point they no longer like the ship.Exact same that happened to all Conquest-Den shippers.
>>288562171True, Denji has only one soulmate.Unfortunately for Asa, she does not have a better option.
>>288562461Shipping is cuckoldry manifest
>>288562473>Unfortunately for Asa, she does not have a PowerHuh Asa is not into Yuri though.
Uma Kima musume
>>288562399>WAAAAAAAAH ENDING IS BAD CUZ REHZAY DIDNT APPEARED
>>288562562Cringe
Looks like the movie newfag schizo is here and dilating all over the thread already
>>288562461In the end the only ship that made sense was YoruDen. Kekji is not really compatible with Asa, Nayuta or Reze.
>>288562461Asafags still ship AsaDenYorufags still ship YoruDenPowerfags still ship PowerDenConquestfags are just cucked to hell and back
>>288562562Cute.
>>288562631Oh i pulled a Fujimoto and forgot about RezeRezefags also still ship RezeDenIn short, only conquestkeks and similar schizos seethe about Denji
>>288562631No, I don't ship any of that. You're a cockroach.
>>288562667Yeah you're a delulu schizo that ships Asa with Yoshida, Miri, Bucky and similar retardationsFact is the manga ended with AsaDen and PowerDen both being possible outcomes
Anons, do you prefer Mappa to totally rewrite part2 like fans' expectations for it, that "part2 is about a Denji now juggling being a high schooler at day a private devil hunter at night with sidekick Nayuta looking for Power with aunt Kobeni and nanny Reze" or sth like that?
>>288562461Asa and Nayuta simply deserve better than Denji. That much is obvious.>>288562599YoruDen is so kino... fuck Fuji.
>>288562323>Everyone>including fujimoto>Implying Asaden’s popularity didn’t die the moment Denji wanted to have sex with Yoru>Implying Fujimoto gave any romantic development to Denji and Asa’s relationship>Implying Fujimoto isn’t a die-hard Denreze fan who would never let any girl besides Reze (his dream girl btw) take the role of “Denji’s girlfriend”
>>288562688>Mappa to totally rewrite part2 like fans' expectationsLiterally no one expects that
>Fujimoto: wtf...why didn't Makima let Denji and Reze become an item? I think Makima did something unnecessary...I couldn't sleep because of this...>*proceeds to retcon their romance and doesn't show her altogether in the new timeline*What the fuck is his problem?
>>288562684I ship Asa with Yuko.
>>288562529Well, it wouldn't be Power, because she belongs to Denji and he belongs to her, but it's not like any of her classmates would be better for her.Best Asa ship is unironically Asa x Bucky fiend.>>288562631>Powerfags still ship PowerDenProudly and with my head held high.
Cute and canon
>>288562688Mappa won't rewrite anything, and if they did it wouldn't be good.Just let it go anon, it's over, Fujimoto raped his story.
>>288562698>xitter screencap>screenshot_2026 movie newfagNot a single word is worth reading>>288562715>Proudly and with my head held high.ScholarGOD
You're the hormonal vapid physically and emotionally insecure retard Fujimoto thinks is a joke.
>>288562730
>>288556728>>288556800>>288556956Why did a bunch of retarded Korean Foids and Beta males tried to cancel this series few months ago then it failed quickly but retarded youtube channels that make anime news as youtube shorts always caters to tourists, faggot betas and roasties. Im so fucking tired of this shite anons this is why Anime is dieing
>>288562631I'm just glad Denji is no longer Cutequest "family". He will never deserve her and I'm glad Fujimoto agrees with that.>>288562697Agree.
>>288562572>Implying you weren’t shitting all over Part 2 before the final chapter and only calmed down because of the jingling keys of Power showing up at the end
>>288562801>I'm just glad [INANE SCHIZO BABBLE]Everytime>>288562797>Why did a bunch of retarded Korean Foids and Beta males tried to cancel this series few months agoBecause koreancucks are feminist retards and thought Fujimoto was inspired by porn and got butthurt about it>this is why Anime is dieingThis is a good thing, anime needs to be niche and exclusive to Japan again
>>288562715>because she belongs to Denji and he belongs to herAre you... imagining I'm competing for Denji or Power with you? Uhh...no, just your imagination sorry.
>>288562461Asa is alone now but if part2 proves something is that being alone is often much better than settling for toxic relationships such as AsaDen and AsaYoru.
>>288562833Based thx anon
>>288562688Yeah, that would be super based, but unfortunately it’s never going to happen.
>>288562733Stop replying to yourself, Pee.
>>288562864Still think she should get a devil contract. Can't trust those PS bums that much.
>>288562248It's not crazy at all. Their concepts simply did not interest him as much as mommy dommy Control/Conquest, so he had nothing to write for them.
>>288562461I feel pity for everyone that ships their waifu with SHITji. Yorufags I can understand tho, she is even worse than Denji.
Former Denjeetfag here. I kneel to all Conquescholars and acknowledge that my self-insert is a worthless character that never had any real growth of his own. Now if you'll excuse me, I shall go back to the cuckshed where my Yakuza overlords are waiting for me for my daily buttfucking sessions. Thank you all for your attention.
Forgotten in the new world...
>makimakeks keep screeching how they love evil women>at the same time the cucks insist she isnt evilnever seen fags this cucked
>>288562461>Why yes, please fuck my wifewhy are shiptards like this?
>>288561764This is causing a melty
>>288562915Yeah I believe Fatty always designs his main waifu first then the plot.
>>288562952Fixing an evil women is a noble path.
>>288562912PS should be fairly competent now that Conquest controls them again. I feel like its pretty reasonable to headcanon Asa will be fine living a normal civil life.
Denji fixed Makima by turning her into Nayuta.
>>288563019Cute and canon
>>288563028which is why makimakeks hate Denji and Nayuta
>>288562916Kek. Same.>>288562915>Their concepts simply did not interest him as much as mommy dommy Control/Conquest, so he had nothing to write for them.Yeah... I guess that is pretty much it.
Where was she?
Yoru and Death are much better than Makima
Himmy!
>>288563098Cute opinion.
>>288563028The timeline retcon proves that Denji wasn't required to fix Conquest, just the erasure of Pochita.
>>288563062my bedroom
>>288562944ZASED
>>288563117The timeline retcon proves Denji fixing Conquest is the reason why she's still Nayuta and not a bitch like Makima
>>288562944kekidooo
>>288562912It's kind of understandable why she wouldn't want one, and all of the good contracts require you to give up a body part or half your lifespan or something (and the Curse Devil demands that without even being useful, that useless piece of shit).
>>288563048If that was the case we would all hate the ending of part 1 (which is kino of the highest order)That's not the issue though. The issue is that shart poo utterly and completely failed to deliver on that premise. It gave us a Denji who had regressed into a parody of himself and had all agency taken away from him (the story still pretended to be about the consequences of his decisions for some reason), it gave us a single chapter of actual Nayuta interesting characterization, botched Asa (who had an interesting premise), had a terrible cast of side characters that went nowhere, etc etcAnd it all ended with Pochita (not denji, has denji is prohibited from having any agency) just retconning everything in a nonsensical manner.
>>288563178My wife is so unbelievably cute.
The timeline retcon proves that Fujimoto is a hack who makes shit up and doesn't actually believe in the messages he wrote for 230 chapters.
>>288563242Messages?
>>288563147>[Pure nonsense]Denji literally never interacted with Nayuta in the new timeline and she was just fine LOL.Denji is completely worhtless in this whole story.
>>288563256You know.Themes.And such.
>>288563178Power and Nayuta got good endings.The difference between the Powerfag fandom and the Conquest scholar fandom is that we don't pretend this ending and part2 as a whole were good just because our waifu won.Denji got trashed and destroyed as a character and Asa, Yoru and Death were completely wasted characters. Its truly sad.
>>288563322Cute sisterfus. I hope humanity keeps fearing them for eternity.
>>288563268Pochita was never needed either, both as a weapon and as a moral support for a suicidal kid Denji.
I still don’t get why final chapter Denji was acting like Aki
>>288563354>Power and Nayuta got good endingsNayuta was wasted as a character, she simply comes back with little reason to and is a PS employee (this alone rapes the point of the part 1 ending, actually rage inducing)Power comes back... wihtout Denji ever looking for the blood devil, she comes back because POCHITA decided so (Denji doesn't get to have any fucking agency ever, it's all pochita), which makes it completely unsatisfying.Had Yoru returned with Blood on her side, and Denji convinced Blood to betray Yoru because of their shared memories? THAT would have been kino. But no, bullshit Pochita time travel.The ending is "good" only in the sense everyone is alive, from a writing pov it's completely anticlimactic dogshit, and themathically its fucking slop.
Everyone is the same.
>>288563397>Pochita was never needed eitherThis is also true, Pochita had a negative impact in the world, his presence and choices lead to the destruction of a whole timeline.
>>288563178>If that was the case we would all hate the ending of part 1You do
>>288563268Videogames unironically fixed Conquest.
>>288563268>>[Pure nonsense]It's called reading the manga and not making schizophrenic headcanon because Denji makes you butthurt
>>288563479I, in fact, do not.The whole fucking reason I endured 100+ chapters of part 2 sludge was because of how much I loved part 1, from beginning to endWhen part 1 ended and I was promising a new adventure for denji, now a different person, finally enjoying a life free from PS I was extatic.
>>288563553>I, in fact, do not.Good for youMost makimafags are butthurt how the ending was a bad asspull and such though
>>288563503Schizobro...
232 should've ended with Denjeet getting raped by the Yakuza but faggotmoto is too much of a coward to follow up on his own bleak setup from 231. Diabetic hack can't even commit to his own message.
>>288563174But BirdRu will only demand a home and food and a sister though. And she should be peaceful now that she has no CSM to hate.
>>288563577The mechanics of the ending ARE a bit contrived, but themathically its kino
>>288563645Funny how prophetic picrel ended up being
>>288563647>peacefulWell, she is the War Devil, but if Violence can choose a peaceful life, then so can Yoru.
Now I strongly believe Asa and Denji should have never crossed paths in part2 desu. Should have focused completely on AsaYoru relationship desu.
>>288563062
A big misconception is that, in this panel, Denji is thinking about Asa.He's actually thinking about his lost memory of his best friend, Hirofumi Yoshida, and how much he loved going to school with him all along.In this exact moment, Denji finally remembers "that time" which had totally happened and understands Yoshida wasn't being a schizo.
>>288563877
>>288556800He got his wish in the end
>>288563935Well pointed out scholar
>>288563454>Nayuta was wasted as a character, she simply comes back with little reason to and is a PS employee (this alone rapes the point of the part 1 ending, actually rage inducing)Nayuta is basically Makimas good ending. Its something Fujimoto didn't want to retcon even if it doesn't make sense, Nayuta isn't limited to create relationships through the power of fear so she actually lives in the "kind of world" that Pochita explained in the part1 ending. Simply Denji failed to create that world for her, Pochita did it instead.Nayuta character got wasted in part2? Absolutely. But at least part2 ending doesn't break her part1 ending anymore. It just destroys Denjis part1 ending, that was way better than what he got in the part2 ending.>Power comes back... wihtout Denji ever looking for the blood devil, she comes back because POCHITA decided so (Denji doesn't get to have any fucking agency ever, it's all pochita), which makes it completely unsatisfying.Yep, similar to what happened with Nayuta, once again it is Pochita who saves the day for Powy, instead Denji.The endings really emphasizes how useless Denji is.>The ending is "good" only in the sense everyone is alive, from a writing pov it's completely anticlimactic dogshit, and themathically its fucking slop.Overall I give this ending a 1/10. But at least I'm happy Nayuta is the biggest winner here.
Now that Fuji himself made part2 an AU which you can consider canon or not because of the reset. Mappa basically has the whole right to write any part2 AU stories now, and they SHOULD do it imo.
>>288564038Part 1 by itself is a bad ending for Denji.
>>288563645Unconventional endings like that are often the ones that are remembered as good endings from a writing point of view. Generic and open endings like the one part2 got are forgotten very quickly, they are simply too boring.
>>288563645>232 should've ended with Denjeet getting raped by the Yakuza>bleak setupOn the contrary, imagine how happy Denji would have been. He could have finally looked at heaven.
>>288563976>The endings really emphasizes how useless Denji is.Needless to say, Pochita is also the one that saved Asa, not Denji.
>>288564149Very funny how Pochita completely cucked Denji from being a good character by stealing all the glory.
>>288563035Not cute and not canon
>>288564103Getting zutted by yakuza is dentjeet's heaven?
>>288564076It's bitter sweet, but definitely foreshadows that the direction Denji is heading in is unhealthy.
>>288564207
>>288564235It's just the way he is, you can't blame Pochita for telling him.
>>288564254Kishibe was a piece of shit for doing this, and even he knows it.
>>288564076I think part1 ending was a good ending for Denji. While part2 ending is a bad ending for Denji. Because part 1 ends on a hopeful tone for Denji, while part 2 makes sure we understand that he is hopeless by nature.
>>288564149>>288564197
>>288564325How can you read the entire series, and walk away with the idea that being Chainsaw Man is a good thing? Are you blind or illiterate?
>>288564325>MUIH REZElmaoooooooo
>>288564325>Fujimoto if he hadn't been pushed off his bike by that girl when he was a child
>>288559420Pochita didn't want them to have sex because he'd get jealous since he loves Yoru. Remember, Pochita was the one who ate Shigga to save Asa/Yoru. Pochita loved Yoru.
>>288564374"Being Chainsawman" isn't a good or a bad thing per se, Denji defined what "being csm" meant for him, and his definition was absolute trash and absolutely self-destructive. You can only blame Denji for it. It was his choice.
>>288564374He's just saying that Part 2 is a bad ending because Reze didn't showed up
So apparently this idea that “a man and a woman are better apart than together” isn’t exclusive to Fujimoto, but something a lot of mangaka seem to believe too. Seriously, what’s wrong with Japanese people?
>>288563976>The endings really emphasizes how useless Denji is.Denji is the one that created a bond so strong with Power she reminds him (and saves him) in the next timelineDenji is the one that made Conquest Devil achieve her dream so she doesn't become a wreck even if raised by Public SafetyThe whole point of the ending was showing how only people that Denji has strong bonds with are part of his new world where everyone is happy and he's not Chainsaw Man>inb4 movie newfag from xitter screeching about Aki and Reze
>>288564348Denji being chained by Nayuta = Useful dogDenji being freed from Nayuta = Helping Asa?... hell nah! SEEEEEEGS WITH YORUUUUU! (Bad dog)Really makes you think.
>>288564490>Denji is the one who created [HEADCANON]
>>288564445>Seriously, what’s wrong with Japanese people?why dont you go ask on reddit?
>>288564325>Because part 1 ends on a hopeful tone for Denji, while part 2 makes sure we understand that he is hopeless by nature.Denkeks hated this trvke nvke, boss.
>>288564433Pochita was the one who made him Chainsaw Man in the first place, and put a target on him the size of Jupiter. Denji never wanted all of that in the beginning, and even told Pochita to take his body and live out his dreams for him instead.
>>288564433>"Being Chainsawman" isn't a good or a bad thing per seRead the manga>It was his choice.Of course, it was his choice that the government and all of hell were out to ruin his life because he had Pochita in his heartYou're such a retard you fail to realize the meaning of Pochita trying to save and hug others ends up hurting other people. Pochita tried to save Denji and only made him hurt more, which is why he realizes he needs to delete himself>>288564508See the tip above
>>288564445>That's the most heart-fluttering stageLike, I get what he means.But in Fujimoto's case it was incredibly retarded.RezeDen not happening because of Reze's tragic death is beautiful.RezeDen not happening because the author writes her out of the story with no in-universe explanation is retarded.RezeDen not happening because the author retconned everything and Reze isn't even featured in the new timeline is even more retarded: what "heart-fluttering stage" do these two have, now that they don't even know each other?
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>>288564320Well, he was right that Denji wouldn't be able to live a normal life while Makima was alive.Though I can't quite tell what his expression in this scene is trying to convey. Is it contempt? Is he thinking on how he can use Denji to kill Makima after his first plan failed?
>>288564076I mean, Denji lost his old family, so obviously it wasn’t a happy ending. But like, he leaves Public Safety, kills Makima, starts living a more “normal” life as a student, gets a new family with Nayuta, and was supposedly going to look for Power. Back then, fans didn’t see it as a SUPER happy ending, but at least it was hopeful, like Denji could eventually rebuild himself after everything that happened to him.Little did everyone know that Part 2 would end up being nothing but misery porn for him
>>288564541>Pochita was the one who made him Chainsaw Man in the first place, and put a target on him the size of Jupiter.True but then again Denji is the one that keep coming back for more no matter how hellish his life became, he could have broken the contract at basically any time. In the end he prefered to live with the hope of fucking a pussy some day rather than simply dying.
>>288564599Dunno, what we know for sure is that Kishibe used Denji to kill Makima and "take care" of Nayuta and then he dissapeared 4ever. Clearly he didn't care about Denji or the wellbeing of world after that.
>>288564634He got a new family, and STILL chooses to be Chainsaw Man despite it. The tragic part is that he could’ve gotten a happy ending here if he just put that aside and raised Nayuta, but he wasn’t content with that. He’s the kind of person that chases after love and validation even if it means self destruction. That’s why it’s a bad ending for him.
>>288564508He hated this one.
>>288564398Mommy Makima.
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>>288564599I think Kishibe, in his own way, really liked Denji as a student, and maybe even something closer because he saw a lot himself in him. When he closes his eyes while telling Denji what to do, he’s looking the other way because he knows he’s doing something horrible to Denji by egging him on. He’s using a sad kid who only wants to be loved as a weapon, and a kid he actually likes, and it disgusts him. I wouldn’t be surprised if the reason he never saw Denji again was because he felt guilty, and thought that Denji would be better off without him.
>>288564660You can’t expect a crackhead to to put down the crack pipe when he feels like he has nothing else left in life.
Part 2 ending defines the limits of Denji as a character while part 1 was a way more open ending, so it was more hopeful for the character. According to part2, Denji is a dog that will never learn, lacks selfcontrol and is not suited to be free and take care of others. He is a hunting dog, he will only be happy living in hell and will die in hell, its ok, he is built for it. Just don't expect a dog to be more than a dog, that is basically what Fujimoto said.
>>288564867>erm... I'm going to be busy for a while >*vanishes from the narrative even when the world is literally ending*Kek, it becomes funnier the more you think about it.
>>288564325This. Part 1’s ending is basically the same idea Part 2 was trying to convey, except it was executed infinitely better. Denji’s life could never be perfect, but there was still hope for him to rebuild himself and keep living as someone more free.Meanwhile, Part 2’s ending is basically just Denji having no choice other than being Power’s pet, Nayuta’s pet, and Public Safety’s pet. Fujimoto tries to sell us the idea that Denji being a slave is somehow a “happy” ending for him while completely ignoring all the circumstances surrounding his life.Don’t ask about Katana Man. Don’t ask about Yoru. Don’t ask about Lil D. Don’t ask about the Nostradamus prophecy. Don’t ask about anything that could threaten Denji. Just assume Pochita killing himself magically solved every problem in Denji’s life and in the world, okay?
>>288564946Denji rejected Himeno over true love, had a relationship with Reze that was more romantic than sexual, and killed Makima instead of trying to negotiate when she was at his mercy, but part 2 tries to convince us that Denji will always fall for sex and Yoru can just shut him down with that anytime.
>>288564867I think you're right on the money, and Kishibe hurting Denji by staying away from him because he feels guilty about what he did to him and because he thinks he can only hurt him further feels suitably tragic for Fujimoto.
>>288565011>Part 1’s ending is basically the same idea Part 2 was trying to convey, except it was executed infinitely better. Denji’s life could never be perfect, but there was still hope for him to rebuild himself and keep living as someone more freeIncorrect. Denji couldn't be free as long as he was Chainsaw ManPart 1 ends with Denji completely broken mentally and with something the whole world wanted to take advantage ofPart 2 ends with Denji having his family back and with him actually able to live a fairly normal life considering his upbringing
>>288565020I think it's fair to call it a character assassination, but its what its.
>>288565079>his familyNayuta isn't his family anymore in the new timeline. Might as well say Kishibe was his family.
>>288565079>Denji couldn't be free as long as he was Chainsaw ManOnly because shart poo conspires against him to make this the case
>>288565139I don't care about your headcanon. The fact it's Nayuta instead of Makima is to illustrate how Denji got her back like Power >>288565162Since Part 1 in fact, and that's the fucking point. The world conspires against him because he was Chainsaw Man
Reminder that all the bonds Denji gets back in the new timeline were obtained solely thanks to becoming CSM, so Fujimoto/Pochita is full of shit.
>>288565079>Denji couldn't be free as long as he was Chainsaw ManNayuta could have made Denji truly free as CSM, eventually she would be as hypercompetent as Makima, but on his side. He chose his dick over Nayuta tho, destroying his only hope.In the new timeline he is a slave of Nayuta and he will die being a slave of Nayuta. He will have some fun being exploited with other PS dogs, such as Power, but that is it.
>>288565178>I don't care about your headcanon.I like how you repeat words like a good parrot. Almost makes you seem human.
>>288565206If you read the manga you would know the point of Denji raising Nayuta was so she WOULDN'T become like Makima, retard
>>288565178Anon, part 1 ending was hopeful, if you hadn't read part 2 you would agree with me, this new interpretation where part 1 is a grim ending is fucking retardedYes, he has a breakdown, yes he needs to find a new dream to live for, but in the end he mans up, fights for his dreams, saves the world and becomes a step parentHe becomes a HIGHSCHOOLER, reinforcing the part 1 theme of wanting a NORMAL LIFE, and NOTHING indicates he is doomed to unhappiness now that he is free and has a place in the world.The only possible way to interpret that as "uh denji is just a broken person" is if you think having ambitions and fighting for it is le bad, in which case I reject your retarded worldview at its core.
>>288565020Denji killed Makima because of his Chainsaw Man cope, which was the way he found to deal with the trauma of Aki and Power's deaths.
>>288565020Chainsaw Man is unironically way too complicated for shonentards like you, and this is truly grim.
For the ending of Part 2 to make "sense", you need an insane amount of mental gymnastics, which also require you to trash Part 1 as well.For an ending which isn't even good in itself.Why the fuck would I do this instead of simply ignoring it and treat Part 1 as the only canon?
>>288565257>this new interpretationIt's not a new interpretationDenji's self worth in the end of Part 1 was destroyed and he believed people only liked Chainsaw Man, not Denji. Which is what led to Part 2>but in the end he mans up, fights for his dreams, saves the world and becomes a step parentThis doesn't change the fact he was broken>is if you think having ambitions and fighting for it is le badIt's not and the Part 2 ending reinforced that when Pochita tells Denji to keep dreaming. What is bad is coping with empty goals, sex wouldn't have saved Denji's life.>reinforcing the part 1 theme of wanting a NORMAL LIFEPart 1 shows Denji was at his happiest fighting devils while living with Aki and Power
>>288565295>Denji killed Makima because of his Chainsaw Man copeAnd? Yoru was in the way of his chainsawman cope yet he folded in part 2. Almost like part 1 denji is a character and part 2 denji is a parody.>>288565314You believe yourself to be much smarter than you actually are, which is why you cannot point out where I'm wrong (notice the retard above who tried and failed) so you accuse of illiteracyWhat I'm stating is as factual as 2+2=4: part 1 Denji would have battled yoru to preserve his dream, like he did in part 1. Instead, he folded the moment sex was mentioned, to have le funny bit so he can get bitchslapped by pochita who has now become the only character with agency in the fucking story.There's nothing to "get" in a pile of shit. If you think you "understand" the pile of shit you might actually be fucking retarded.
>>288565234NuNayuta became hypercompetent like Makima and she wasn't raised by Denji... And that is a GOOD thing for her. She is better now than she ever was as Makima and Nayuta in the previous timeline.My previous point stands btw.
>>288565162Do you read manga with your eyes closed?
>>288564575Yeah, Fujimoto basically ruined everything surrounding the tragedy of Denji and Reze’s story, and it feels intentional because there’s no way all of this was accidental. More than anyone, he knows that Reze being the only hybrid not to return in Part 2 without any explanation, and especially the universe resetting with Denji and Reze no longer knowing each other makes the whole thing feel basically meaningless.What really leaves me baffled is him seemingly contradicting his own message to the audience:>“Oh, I wanted Denji and Reze to carry the burden of never being together forever.”Like… what the hell are you even talking about? They don’t even know each other anymore.
>>288565257Trvke
>>288565419>>288565433Vrvtal trvkes hours.
>>288564742But the idea that “Denji being a superhero is a bad thing” hadn’t even been addressed at that point. The strongest enemy up until then had already been defeated, and Denji was literally free to go around killing devils and playing superhero as much as he wanted while taking care of Nayuta.
>>288565257Ok Barem
>>288565537According to Fujimoto I say this and look like this (based).
Part 2 was a mistake, can't even talk about part 1 anymore without its shittiness affecting it.
>>288565536Does this look like a good thing to you?
>>288565449>What really leaves me baffled is him seemingly contradicting his own message to the audience:Many such cases in part2.In part1 Fujimoto makes a very solid stance against the "ignorance is bliss" philosophyp, meanwhile he rewards Denji with ignorance and the end of part2.
>>288565373What I find hilarious is that you can say "What is bad is coping with empty goals" and "Denji was at his happiest fighting devils" in the same fucking post.Either Denji can only be happy fighting devils (empty, mindless goal) or the message is to not cope with empty goals. These two are OPPOSITES.> living with Aki and PowerHere is the key, the part you missed. Part 1 doesn't show denji happy killing devils, part 1 shows Denji being happy having a family, a normal thing he was always denied. THAT is the point, you fucking retarded mongrel. THAT is the goal worth fighting and living for. Human connection, the same thing Himeno, Reze, and Makima needed. The thing that changed Aki, THE THEME OF PART ONE. Not "happy fighting devils", you absolute retard, but the normal, happy life.And in the end of part 1 he is positioned to GET IT, trough Nayuta and highschool. To rebuild himself, to finally be free.Your post is truly the perfect encapsulation of this general: someone who contrradicts himself in his own post, who doesn't even understand what an empty goal would be vs a proper goal, who states that 2+2=5 and proudly declares to understand what is written, to have the "real interpretation".>>288565537Notice how I claim that he finally has a normal highschool life as a positive, what Barem complains about.If we were truly like Barem, we would love the fighting shitfest shart poo devolved into.
>>288565449Denji doesn't carry that burden but you sure as hell do given that you cry about it daily cuz your shipperwhale delusions were never validated by the manga.
>>288565206>as hypercompetent as Makima
>>288565618Scholar...
>>288564982Seriously, I don’t think we’ve fully realized just how much this makes Kishibe look bad. He was supposedly the strongest devil hunter, yet he completely disappeared even while the world was literally heading toward the apocalypse. On top of that, he left a child (who eventually got killed) in the care of an unstable and erratic teenager and apparently never checked on them even once, not even to stop Public Safety from constantly threatening their lives.Thinking about it now, this honestly makes Kishibe look like the biggest bastard, irresponsible asshole, and laziest person ever.
>>288563322Yoru's child-bearing hips...
>>288562171That sounds like sunk cost after seeing their relationship develop nicely in the Aquarium arc and in the Falling Devil arc. AsaDen sex scene was a semi-popular belief here and then it never happened. I think they were just misled by the story and expected Denji to treat Asa better when that wasn't the point of their relationship. Or really it's not their fault, and the writer purposefully made their relationship trash after the Falling Devil arc, and prioritized Asa having no agency and Yoru taking over. In the end, Asa's not a fleshed out character, and Yoru was overused to the point of pandering.
so I had watched the anime a few years ago and then the movie a few months ago but CSM couldn't really grip my attentionafter noticing the whole debacle about the ending a few weeks ago I actually got curious and speedread the manga yesterday and todayall I gotta say isjesus fucking christ
>>288565763Denji was realistically the only person Kishibe could trust to take care of Nayuta, and prevent her from becoming another Makima. He couldn’t do it himself because he thinks he hurts people by being around them, and couldn’t be around Denji anymore because he hurt him the most.
>>288565593>Part 2 was a mistake, can't even talk about part 1 anymore without its shittiness affecting it.This is the worst type of ending. If you want to write a shit ending, at least confine it in those last chapters.Don't add plot twists or recontextualizations that engulf the good parts as well.>>288565616Hell, it was even present in Part 2 in the flashbacks Pochita gives Denji in the Aging World (should have reminded him of the shack and spoiled bread, I guess).Fujimoto, for 230 chapters, expounded>Aand, in the last two chapters, he wrote>BAll that talk about Denji refuting he was wrong for dreaming more than his shack, the life-changing movie that is worth the tickets of all the bad movies, Kobeni saying that a life free of bad things exists only in dreams, Makima giving the wrong answer about bad movies (chapter 93, i.e. the opposite of the movie date, which is chapter 39), CSM always getting back up...apparently none of this was genuine.
>>288565638>Denji doesn't carry that burdenAnd here we go again, schizos trying to deny the author’s own words just because they don’t fit their agenda.
>>288565866Yeah, the big tragedy of Kishibe is that he's a great devil hunter but fucking useless at everything else (except cat sitting, apparently).If Denji would have had a proper mentor and father figure, he probably wouldn't have spiraled as hard as he did.
>>288565732>Does all Makima did.>All while playing videogames all day.There is no limit to Conquest greatness. I also find very funny how her intellectual superiority makes you, useless neet, seethe.
>>288565907>g-guys i am totally not mindbroken by the ending even though I cry about it daily with the exact same talking points every single timeyou're just a butthurt shipperwhale but you'll deny it anyways lol.
>>288565913>the big tragedyI fucking hate how utterly meaningless these words became at this point"Great tragedy of this, great tragedy of that, Kishibe's great tragedy of being a moron".Just say that he was a fucking retard and be done with it!
>>288565957He is going to hate this one...
>>288565957>Does all Makima didWhich is enshittification of everyone else's lives?
>>288564445He's right, after they get together, the answer is already there, we already know how they'll act together and there is no challenge they have to overcome. The characters have already grown from their love instead of seeing how the love affects them.
>>288566007>Which is...Her job. Keeping world peace by sacrificing some dogs in the process.
>>288565610No, but this doesn’t look depressing at all to me.
>>288565178It’s Nayuta instead of makima because the ending is key jingling fanservice and (You) are retarded for attempting to apply logic to it
>>288566056A true hero.
Asa daisuki!!!
>>288566063No you don't get it its actually really bad he gets to finally go to highschool and also kill devils, being badass is le bad, being a slave of PS is le good
Denji was at his happiest here.
>>288566080the last chapter was written by lin
>>288566056Dogjibros...
>>288565206honestly this is a perfect example of how p2 betrays its own themes.Nayuta’s death is framed as a consequence of Denji’s selfish decisions, but the situation he’s in robs him of the agency to even make a decision in the first place
>>288565449"I like it when the protagonist and heroine don't end up together and I want them to carry that weight forever."This can be compelling, but Reze never carries that weight since her thoughts and feelings are never depicted again in the story. It's just how the weight affects Denji, and not really by much since Asa becomes the new heroine. You have some allusions and 1 direct callback to Reze, but that's it. It doesn't really hurt. Fujimoto's Denji centrism and chasing after every crumb of pussy even took away from Reze
>>288566119having the time of his short ass life
>>288566119His life as CSM robbed him of this happiness...
I just want to wrap my arms around Asa's head and hug her forever.
>>288565962Pee, you feel the need to read and interact with those same posts whenever you can instead of just ignoring them. That’s literally the definition of being mindbroken.
>>288564103>He could have finally looked at heaven.kek, Denji would have been at his happiest since his life was so bad, even 1 tiny good thing would be the ultimate dream
>>288566184imagine how shit his memories of childhood are when not even pochita was there for himjust a rusty old chainsaw
>>288566195
>>288566244Kyaaaaa!! Maid Asa! *I spill my coffee all over myself*
>>288566235>imagine how shit his memories of childhood arewhich makes them pleasant memories, as he can only thrive in misery o algo
>>288566205Fujimoto never intended for denji and reze to be together no matter how hard this makes your shipperwhale ass burst into flames. You don't even realize that you are proving Fujimoto right with his whole lingering curse comment by doing this daily as it really shows it mindraped you and never recovered from it.
>>288566260She'd probably still be better at it than Yoru (and she's not even that clumsy, Bucky only died because the class president killed her).
My ex had the same outfit T_TI miss Asa......................
>>288566205This. Dude is a perpetual dmg control motion machine kek.
>>288566336*tripped her, though I guess she did kill her later
>>28856638110 years from now he will still be running damage control.
>>288566340She had a Chainsaw Man t-shirt?
Since hindsight is 20/20, I can safely say P2 would have been better if it did a MC switch like Jojo and Asa/Yoru became the central characters.As is, Denji was given nothing to do as a character and making him the protagonist again was an utterly worthless decision.
>>288566063Are you stupid or something. Wasn’t it made abundantly clear that people from around the world will continue to hunt Denji for as long as he’s Chainsaw Man? He’ll never be free of that unless he stops, and he didn’t. He got everything he asked for, and decided he wanted the fake love of total strangers more than his peaceful quiet life.
>>288566439No, she was thin/flat and wore pads so her chest looked massive almost like a one piece character but not too ridiculous, very hot.
>>288566482Many are saying this.
>>288566482Yoru's purpose was to torment Asa, it doesn't matter if Denji was part of the story or not. In the end her bullshit crossed the line a hundred folds so the author had to make a meta ending to cover up his own ass.
I’ve returned here a few days later and theres still that guy here who’s mindbroken about Reze and people wanting to see closure from her. What a sad man. A cute russian girl mindbreaking you every single day isnt healthy
>>288566119>>288566184
ENTER, THE SAVIOR, THE LIBERATOR.
>>288564867The reason he never saw denji again is because fujimoto just wanted to draw a different manga with different characters. There is no narrative reason for his absence because it doesn't make any narrative sense and the choice was pade outisde any such consideration.
>>288566583My fvarking hero!>>288566585Very cool Kima.
>>288566461We got robbed of a love triangle.
We should all live like mongolian street children.
>>288564426BBChita gets to plap Yoru in the erased timeline
>>288566612How does it feel being dumber than Denji and Power?
>>288566540>Yoru's purpose was to torment AsaThey couldn’t even commit to that. Pic rel was so fucking unearned
>>288565020Part 2 is basically Fujimoto's sweet assraping session of every character and plotline introduced of the manga. The fanservice ending being the reader raping cherry on top.
This is the last thing I want to see when I die so that I'll know Angels are real.
>>288566662Lmao WTF was this fr?
>>288565028Thank you, Powerbro.
>>288566576>Denji's life with Pochita>with PochitaKeyword, the hack fastforwarded to the night of the Zombie Devil encounter.But even then, the entire point of Makima's plan was that Denji got happIER with his new life. And he got this new life, all the people included, by becoming CSM in first place.He would have never met Aki, Power, Reze, Nayuta, Yoshida or Asa otherwise.
>>288566494The funny thing is that in Part 1 no humans seemed to know about Pochita's erasure abilities, aside from Kishibe after Makima tells him about it.So it ends up looking like Kishibe was the one who told them about it, makimg him responsible for how Denji was treated by PS during Part 2.
Reminder that if you dont want that faggot Kira to screenshot your picture so that the homo cam farm plebbit karma on transawfolk, your posts have to have nono words that reddit wont like like faggot or nigger. Those scawwy words will make that zoomer faggot tourist unable to screenshot it and might scare that homo leech away from here toofaggot
>>288566650>strongest human in the world didn't try to prevent the end of the world because he was guilty or something my fanfiction on 4chan proves itYou should consider ending your life swiftly
This makes me want to scream until I pass out.
>>288566728Powerfag fanfictions have always been that type of schizo mental gymnastics,
>>288566662Yoru was always going to get some sort of redemption.Except that Conquest got the reincarnation, the talk about her real dream and the promise of the hugs.Meanwhile Yoru just gets written out of the story after she tells Asa she should have lived life without too much guilt.What was even the point of Yoru's individual character?
>>288566787>What was even the point of Yoru's individual character?To steal as much screen time from the other characters as possible. Not even Makima had that many pages dedicated to her, probably because spending too much time with her would've ruined her mysterious aura throughout part 1
>>288566298>you are proving Fujimoto right with his whole lingering curse commentOh, so now you care about the author’s comments, huh?
>>288566758What is painal?
>>288566878Wut
>>288566787I don't think there was a point about Yoru neither Asa characters. A total storytelling dissaster.
>>288564982I genuinely think he might’ve been lying, and just killed himself instead.
>>288566876>no rebuttalI accept your concession.
>>288566494>people from around the world will continue to hunt Denji for as long as he’s Chainsaw ManHe literally defeated the final boss up to that point. Anyone who came after him would’ve been small fry in comparison (assuming the series had ended with Part 1, of course).
>>288566928After the last heartbreak Quanxi gave him, he decided simply to hire a hooker.That hooker's name?Fumiko Mifune.
Reminder that anytime you see an ishowspeed edit here, its a transafolk tiktok faggot
>>288566928>Kills Makima to free Quanxi>Quanxi still refuses to fuck him, even in pity terms.>Kills himself.
TOTAL!!!! CUTESA!!!!!!!!!HAPPINESS!!!!!!!!!
>>288566998Bucky said this
>>288566977
>>288566977I'm sure you'd know that fairly well since you spend so much time there, right?
>>288566984kek
>>288566926The point? Lebowski
>>288566975I think he just necked himself, but I do think the Fumilings are funny.
>>288566984If he is dead, it makes this scene feel a bit different.
>>288567012Bucky and I are the members of the Asa club. We spend our day playing with Asa and making sure she's having the best fun.
>>288566984We know he talked with Quanxi after the events of Part 1 so that's not outside of the realm of possibility.
>>288567061Lebowski is actually well executed tho. It has no bad characters and everyone has a function in the plot.
>>288566585Kima being beautiful, as always
>>288566938Stop repeating the same words like a mentally retarded parrot, faggot. https://youtu.be/ur-ggo4Aek8?si=d4ld0LJYEcefcn3b
>>288566984KWAB
>>288558716Unironically what's the meaning of this picture?
>>288567147>starts seething with zero rebuttals Uh oh, melty. I accept your concession again though.
>>288567165Yoru cannot put a coca cola bottle up in her ass
>>288567039go back to plebbit kirafaggot
Asa is the best.>She's not as cute as x character idc Asa is the cutest >She's not as sexy as x character idc Asa is the sexiest >She's not as popular as x character idc Asa is the most precious to me>She's not as important as x character idc Asa is the most important to meNo matter who you feel, Asa is a part of my heart. And she's loved very very much.
>>288563935>>288563951it’s interesting how you guys reduce Aki to just “Denji and Power’s friend who wanted them to be happy” and nothing more than that, when even THAT is meaningless now since he doesn’t know Denji and Power anymore, and they don’t know him either.
>>288567108but it all circles back to point A like nothing had ever happenedthat's the vibe fuji wanted to have for csmdespite all that happened to denji, his life is still the samehim going devil hunting at the end is like lebowski going bowling
>>288567276He was dead anyway though
>>288562461Yoruden was unironically the ship with the most chemistry. Two retarded psychos fighting, fucking, and failing at life.
>>288567296Sure but that point was that Yoru and Asa are indeed pointless characters and how that is a BAD thing.
This is so beautiful.
>>288567366GODchita realized that Denji's relationship with SHITru was gonna end up destroying the whole world so he retconned the whole series to make sure Denji and SHITru would never even meet each other. Now he's with the only 3 women who actually cared about him and even sacrificed themselves for him: Power, Asa & Nayuta. Pochita is an unsung HERO and I will keep saying this for another 10 years at least.
>>288567370yoru is a pointless character by designasa is notshe just serves to show that her life would've been absolutely fine if not for one drastic even (falling on bucky) which prevented her from having the obvious realization that would lead to life improvement earlier
>>288567442>she just serves to show that her life would've been absolutely fine if not for one drastic even (falling on bucky) which prevented her from having the obvious realization that would lead to life improvement earlierSounds like her entire journey and how her character devloped after killing Bucky in Part 2 is pointless.
>>288567487that's the lebowski part
>>288567487You're not wrong.
>>288563062She got scouted to be a foot model
>>288567442holy FUARK asa is so cute here. TRANNYmotos degrading art really makes me believe that he had a ghost writer/artist. No way art this nice just suddenly becomes dogshit in a few months from after falling devil
Confession time. I will never forgive Fuji. It's not even about hating him for the ending or for how badly he treated Asa. I just don't like him, as a human. He genuinely has an ugly soul. And that in itself is not something that's unforgivable, but what he did is something he doesn't even realize himself. Asa is beyond his comprehension, the idea that conceived her is alien to him because he can't comprehend such good can exist in this world. He can only make vague assumption and blindly try to bait the readers, because that's what he learned to do. He doesn't have strong opinions, or a learned experience, he's just a scared little liar who can't face reality for what it is. It's that people like him are better off dead.
>>288562688I just want them to add some new stuff, flesh everything out
>>288567534fuji is a big boy so i'd guess a medical condition
>>288566158I mean, Reze’s last action was literally risking her own life just to see Denji at the café, and her final thoughts were about Denji. You don’t need to be a genius to figure out that being “killed” while the last thing she saw was Denji holding a bouquet of flowers for her would’ve been an emotional weight for her too.…Well, at least until Fujimoto brought her back during the Control Arc and then acted like she was dead again in Part 2 even though she’s literally immortal and all the other hybrids returned to the story, with the cherry on top being her and Denji completely forgetting each other.Fujimoto is a fucking hack who can’t even stay consistent with the ideas he’s trying to convey.
>>288567556they cant when the payoffs and ending is so fucking bad. You cant fix a bad story by adding more scenes. Rezes arcs only flaw was that it needed more stuff which the movie added. SHART POO is just a travesty that needs to be completely rewritten from somewhere near the end of falling devil onwards. Church is such a bad arc that it completely destroys the series
>>288567550>He genuinely has an ugly soul.Unironically, I get that impression.
>>288566482I think he was forced to switch back to Denji. That's when both the art and writing went to shit. I wonder if he'll ever spill the beans
>>288562707Lot of drugs
BRING MESEASON 2 TRAILER
>>288567640Imagine looking at this and wanting to hurt her and make her cry. Fucking soulless behaviour.
>>288567428
>>288563098Agree
>>288566482One of the dumbest story decisions in part 2
>>288567623>they cant when the payoffs and ending is so fucking bad.This. I used to think Mappa could have polished the whole thing somehow to make it slightly better, but the ending is unsalvageable.>Actually, the whole journey was a massive mistakeWhat do you even do with this?
>>288562707You bought that shit?
>>288567622>…Well, at least until Fujimoto brought her back during the Control ArcI wonder what the fuck he was thinking when he did that. Did he not realize EVERYONE would have expected more from her, after we got confirmation she was alive?>Remember Denji's tragic star-crossed lover who had so much chemistry with him? She's actually alive! No, that doesn't mean she can reunite with Denji, why do you ask?
>There was no point of the big lebowskithe dude got caught up in a million bad things that wouldve driven a person mad and was surrounded by fake snobby rich people. The point of the big lenowski is that it was a comedy where somehow he outsmarts the rich snobs and shows that a chill man that has nothing can be less self conscious, less insecure and happier than those rich snobs. Theres a lesson with it all and how people can enjoy life and be happy without being an egotistical rich faggot pretending to be smarter than what they areSHART POO is just YABBA DABBA DOOOO LETS HAVE SEX YORU and pochita giving SCVMji an asspull world reset. SHART POO was actually worthless and the lesson wasnt earned cause japs are retards who cannot understand the good western writing of the past
Part 1 was only good because of the editors.
>>288556728>>288556800My biggest pride as an Aki fan was that no matter how shitty this manga became, Aki’s character would remain untouchable with his magnificent and tragic conclusion. But oh no, Fujimoto just had to ruin even that too, didn’t he?Now Aki wasn’t tragically killed by Denji anymore, he’s alive… or… maybe not? WHO EVEN KNOWS? It doesn’t matter. His character conclusion was undone. He’s no longer important to Denji and Power, and they’re no longer important to him either since they don’t even know each other anymore.God fucking dammit...
I'm tired, doc.
>>288567884>only good because of the editorsthey made part 1 and any faggot redditor seething at this truth are wrong. All of shonenshit authors best works are before they get big when the editors are basically writing the shit for them. TRANNYmoto got decently big when part 1 ended and got huge when mappa announced and released season 1. Thats when TRANNYmoto no longer needed editors to be successful. Even toriyama was completely carried by editors. Shonen wouldve never existed if editors didnt wip toriyama for making a cringe unfunny p*do manga at the beginning of dragonball all the way up to the end
It's a similar feeling to waking up from sleep. When I accept that my love for Asa is real and the only thing that matters in this situation.
>>288567846This is so fucking retarded. It’s like if, in Titanic, Jack had survived but never tried to contact Rose again, and the story gave absolutely no explanation for it.
>>288567723Sorry but this gets me hard as a rock
>>288568084This, but with Kima
soon bloodwomanman manga
>>288564374You say that because of part 2. Everyone forgot that in the tv scene there are a lot of people who where grateful with Denji because he saved their lives. Yes Denji was focused on the fame, but chainsaw man also saved a lot of people, part 1 ending leaves the door open for Denji to mature and be a hero to help other and not for the fame.
>>288567973>nothing but scholarly postsWhy does this cause so much seethe?
I love my wife Power
>>288568129You have overestimated the value of your penis.
>>288567876I honestly don’t know how Fujimoto thought it was a good idea to try copying a comedy movie that’s less than two hours long for the continuation of his years-long shonen manga, and then still fail miserably at it because he completely missed the point of the movie.
>>288568176because all those posts are always followed up by "muh rehzay" postsyou will come up with any cope under the sun imaginable except admitting that fujimoto has you grabbed by the balls, huh?
>>288563354NTA I don't think it's helpful to portray Makima and Nayuta as the same characterThe one chapter of characterization that Nayuta did get frames her as essentially a confused orphan who bases her identity on a mother she only knows through second hand knowledge. This character arc went nowhere because Part 2 is shit, but still
>>288568225If Reze was included, the ending is still shit
>>288568109One of the worst things about this is that it places a plot hole right at the end of Part 1, so even if you want to stop there you wonder about her fate.Also, since Mappa tends to embellish the fight scenes, Denji not noticing the Bomb Hybrid at the graveyard is going to become even stupider.
>>288568275your daily melties about it suggest otherwise. in reality i think you're angry because the author didn't give you fanservice at the very last minute.
I have somewhere I need to be. Not here anymore. Bye.
>>288567656he already said his plan was always to switch back to denji
>>288568368Bye.Cute Asa pics btw.
>>288568357so you concede power's inclusion is fanservice?
>>288568357Not your boogeyman. Are you admitting to being satisfied because the author did give you fanservice at the very last minute?
>>288568389>>288568400it absolutely is because I'm not a powerfag. that doesn't make your criticism any less shallow. you don't even realize you're falling in the exact same hole as the powerfags, just in the opposite end of the spectrum.
>Reze: No no no no no no no DON'T DO THAT! I THOUGHT WERE HAVING A NICE DATE! WHY DOES IT MATTER?! I THOUGHT WERE HAVING A NICE DATE!
>>288567884This. Fujimoto got resentful because the editors made his story “too shonen,” and it became massively successful because of it. So he made Part 2 with the sole purpose of tearing the story down and proving just how mediocre he is without his editors.
>>288567973Not a single post wrong, btw
>>288566126The last chapter was 100% Fujimoto
>>288568035Comparing the beginning of Dragon Ball to Part 2 of Chainsaw Man should honestly be a crime, but you’re partially right, editors are necessary. Most successful shonen series were heavily shaped and refined by their editors.
>>288568467fuji probably works best when he's got another guy sitting at the table with him who's willing to follow up on one of his crazy ideas with the question of "ok, that sounds cool, now what's going to happen after?"he probably lost that when lin had the stroke and was forced to decrease his workload.
>>288568446>aHe's been seeing her for a week straight and they've also had a date where they skinnydipped.At the very last moment he slips some criptic remark about a "career goal" and she figures out she was just the side chick all along.For some guy she was supposed to kill and get done with, whom instead she decided to spare.She had all the rights to be pissed.
>>288568424And what if I'm not this schizo Rezefag that you think I am? Kind of a pointless argument isn't it?
>>288568616>moving goalpostsI accept your concession.
>>288567442Did you forgot that she fell because of her classmate? Asa was going to die that day no matter what
>>288568315>Even if you want to stop there you wonder about her fateYeah, but I mean, the most logical assumption is probably that Reze’s body, just like the other hybrids’, would’ve been confiscated by Public Safety. And yeah, that would completely ruin the tragedy of Makima killing her since it would actually mean Pochita killed her, with Denji conveniently never seeing her body on the ground because of pure plot convenience. But AT LEAST we would have a clearer idea of what happened to her.Unlike Part 2, where she’s apparently alive, yet we know absolutely nothing about what happened to her or why she never went after Denji.
>>288567622>Fujimoto is a fucking hack who can’t even stay consistent with the ideas he’s trying to convey.The guy makes a lot of amateur level mistakes that makes you think why everybody calls him a genius
>>288567973And xhe is right
>>288568605Yeah, that explains the absurd amount of Part 2 plotlines that were simply abandoned, and how Part 1 had a much more solid and consistent plot overall up until the end.
>>288568424part 1>Finish with a more mature Denji, who accepts that Makima never loved nor cared for him, using that rejection as a weapon to stop Makima, even if he still loved her. Then, he accepts a new family with a new Makima who wont love him romanticallly.... but fraternally. Accepts his new role as Chainsawman with a bright future ahead, thanks to everything he suffered but also learned.Part 2>Asa was ok, and then we got Denji as protagonist again, while it was good to see how Nayuta has becoming (a possesive imouto that knows she was Makima, but still loves him) , only to Fujicrap to throw out all the development of Denji making him a worse wanker than he was in part 1, with a shit ending that shits on everything that happened.
>>288568467Its funny how part 2 proved that Lin carried hard in part 1
>>288567256
>>288565433>NuNayuta became hypercompetent like MakimaShe literally would rather play vidya than work, read the manga
>>288565618>you can say "What is bad is coping with empty goals" and "Denji was at his happiest fighting devils" in the same fucking postSo what>Either Denji can only be happy fighting devils (empty, mindless goal) or the message is to not cope with empty goals. These two are OPPOSITESThey are not. Denji is happy fighting devils, it's not his ultimate dream to fight devils he's just happy doing it and living with his family because his normal life is a life of ultraviolence and devil hunting, he can't adapt to a normal normal life because he is not like that
>>288568613>she figures out she was just the side chick all alongYou’re being just as dramatic as Reze, anon. The literal point is that Reze was the “main chick” all along, she was the one through whom Denji discovered genuine love. The problem was that Denji still thought he was in love with his warped maternal figure too, but obviously he would’ve gotten over that by being with Reze (which was basically proven when Denji wanted to run away with her while leaving Makima behind).Besides, it’s not like he hesitated to run away with Reze only because of Makima. He genuinely cared about Aki and Power too, so abandoning them would’ve been difficult for him (he literally says so himself).
>>288566080>no argumentI accept your concession
>>288568865Being competent =/= being a hard worker.We saw Nayuta easily handle the Blood Devil.
>>288567276Themes and such, you redditors dilate so much about this phrase yet fail to understand it
>>288566080Truth hypernova
>>288568765>Finish with a more mature DenjiPart 1 literally ends with Denji saying he wants 10 girlfriends and thats why he wants to keep being Chainsaw Man>reddit filenameChecks out
>>288568927"Themes and such" was designed to mock people like you
>>288568927>Themes and such Indeed
>>288568997''Themes and such'' is a buzzword invented by low iq shonentards that consume slop like JJK because they got filtered by the fact Fujimoto works with themes, which is a proven fact since Fire Punch>>288569002Every single time
>>288567442Her character has a "point" but the point is shit
what ive concluded from reading this thread is that the rezefags are no different from the powerfags. they're simply angry because the author didn't jingle his keys in front of them, and their complaining on a daily basis only reinforces that belief. all because their shipperwhale delusions didn't get validated by the narrative. Sad!
>>288569009>low iq shonentards that consume slopbut enough about CSM Part 2!
What i've concluded from reading this thread is that part 2 defenders are genuinely subhuman.
>>288569039You are the living proof that i can't be talking about Chainsaw Man
>>288569009NTA. "Themes and such" is making fun of people who act like a story having themes makes it goodEvery story has themes. The question is whether those themes are well-executed (which is not the case for p2)
>>288569018i know. just saying that's what the point was. lebowski
>>288569073>"Themes and such" isA buzzword created by low iq shonentards that only consume battleslop and don't have the mental capacity to read speech bubbles
>>288569002I liked the added touch of a BugCHAD about to no-diff, off-screen and retcon his ass.
>>288569046>the author didn't jingle his keys in front of me, therefore I'm madall I read.
>>288566726>>288566977good ot know
>>288568887At the beach, he finally casts aside his doubts and wants Reze, sure.But his performance at the hill, after all the sweet and even intimate moments they shared, was quite distasteful.You can tell he's got a guilty conscience because, when it comes to Aki and Power, he openly says "my senpai" and "my coworker".Meanwhile, his bond with Makima is hidden behind an allusive remark.Plus, he refers to it as a "goal", just like what the arc opens with: Denji reminding himself he wants to kill Gun Devil so that Makima becomes his gf. Meaning that this is something he's actively working towards.What does Reze have to think at this point? That she's good enough to pass the time with but not enough to be the girl of his dreams? That he's fine with her only because as of now he can't get that other woman?These are terrible thoughts to get, especially when Reze has been nothing but sweet towards what should have been just a target. The movie even adds up more scenes of her inner torment about her situation, but I have to say the manga does quite a good job to show her flabbergasted when Denji tells her this.She thought they had something unique and special going on.
>>288568985>a more maturedude, between the simp that coudlnt say no to Makima and the dude that accepted that she was always a bitch, there is a decent amount of learning. Im not saying he is a super matured character or a sage, but the development is there.
>>288568985No, Part 1 ends with Denji rebuilding himself and moving forward even after the deaths of the people he loved. It ends with Denji leaving Public Safety and becoming a student (which is what Reze wanted for him). It ends with him taking care of the reincarnation of the woman who destroyed his life and choosing to raise her with love so she wouldn’t become evil. It ends with Denji promising Power that he would eventually find her again.
>>288569177Part 1 ends with Denji having his self image completely destroyed by Makima and believing that his only worth as a person is being Chainsaw Man, and thinking that if he gets girlfriends and sex (by being Chainsaw Man) he will be happy>which is what Reze wanted for himDenji thinks Reze betrayed him for his Chainsaw heart and went back to Russia, she's part of the psychological damage inflicted on him
>>288569009>Fujimoto works with themesYou forgot the “such.”
>>288569234Whatever makes you more butthurt, movie newfag
>>288569224>And thinking that if he gets girlfriends and sex (by being Chainsaw Man) he will be happy>Denji thinks Reze betrayed him for his Chainsaw heart and went back to Russia,The point isn’t whether Denji knew Reze truly loved him or not. The point is that even as an enemy, she showed him a new perspective on life, something he tried to embrace by the end of Part 1.
>>288569249https://youtu.be/ur-ggo4Aek8?si=s6I2cc2dmpUg_aQj
>>288569224>Part 1 ends with Denji having his self image completely destroyed by Makima and believing that his only worth as a person is being Chainsaw Man, and thinking that if he gets girlfriends and sex (by being Chainsaw Man) he will be happyI’m referring only to Part 1. Even with all that talk about wanting “10 girlfriends,” NOBODY would’ve expected Denji to become the sexual degenerate he turned into in Part 2. Besides, that speech happened after he lost Aki and Power and before he met Nayuta, he was literally empty and had absolutely nobody left.
>>288556728he belongs with angel
>>288569224one thing is him being a horny boy, and other was being manipulated by women as the retarded simp he was. The fact that he challenged Makima, his love, decided to accept his role as chainsawman by his own will and take care of a little Makima even if he cant fuck her, shows the development he got.
>>288569401>NOBODY would’ve expected Denji to become the sexual degenerate he turned into in Part 2.What sexual degenerate he turned into in Part 2? There's literally a panel of him covering Asa to demonstrate he's not a actual sexual degenerate but instead just thinks hedonism will fix his issues
>>288569440Just because he declined to sexually assault an unconscious girl doesn't make him not a degenerate
>>288569493Ah i see, he's a sexual degenerate because he wanted to masturbate
>>288569526Yes
>>288568991>>288567417>>288567800>>288566171>>288566107Sure must be nice to know you have Troid, a mentally ill mod to babysit you, !-Akemi.You still lose and everyone still hates you. No one likes you ruining threads.
>>288561984>>288562197>>288561755>>288561254>>288557569>!-Akemi still spending every waking second of his life constantly screaming and seething about "ack"!-Akemi, still waiting for you to explain why no one but you spite spams and when you try to calls something bad no one starts spamming it in response.
>>288563735>>288564026>>288563327>>288563050>>288562172Really, !-Akemi. How are you not bored of living like this?
