You are learning Japanese by watching anime and reading manga, right anon?
I do read manga in Japanese but I still mostly watch anime with subs. I have watched a few things recently without them though. I started reading manga in Japanese because there was a lot of stuff I wanted to read that wasn't getting translated, but anime doesn't have that problem, and I haven't watched any of the stuff people usually point to that have the translations where they shove in memes and western slang.
>>288595268On the whole, subtitles tend to be pretty loose, so you're losing information whenever you read them over watching with Japanese subs. Crunchyroll subs are notoriously bad and contain a lot of evidence of MTL usage.
>>288595268ngmi
>>288595268If you still need the subs despite being able to read manga then you something's seriously wrong with you.
>>288595198no fuck you
>>288595198ive already been fluent for like 5 years, no need
>>288595543So if I posted a random clip from an anime you'd understand it?
>>288595268This anon does NOT know Japanese
>>288595383>>288595442>>288595727Maybe the reason these threads never take off is that they seem to be about insulting anyone that gives any kind of actual response.
>>288595751That's true, Mlenko, you should be nicer
>>288595751These threads do great, unlike your Japanese lmao
this is the answer, right! >:3
>>288595802Ayo lil fakeromi HAHAHAHHAJA
>>288595268I can just tell by the post shape that this guy sucks ass at Japanese and still needs the English subs. For shame, /a/, for shame.
>>288595819come on, mlenko Xc
>>288595853Ayo lil mlenkoromi lmfao
>>288595198Ohio Go Zai MasuHontoni sugoku kawaii desuwawo ai nichinchin sugoiHow'd I do?
>>288595268>read japanese manga>still need shitty cr subs wtf
>>288595198いや、教科書で勉強するんだよ
>>288595908Third one was genuinely impressive and the future of all Japanese anime
>>288595913I don't know know why a thread full of supposed fluent Japanese knowers doesn't understand that reading and listening are different skills. Plus I never said I necessarily need them, just that I still use them because there's been less reason for me to shift to watching raw compared to reading manga.
>>288595919How do I say NGMI in Japanese? お前には絶対に無理だ kek
>>288595633lmao this is not a high bar to clear
>>288595968You just admitted to needing them and that the two skills are separate. You basically don't know Japanese
>>288595981So you're up for the challenge??
>>288595990LIL DEKINAIROMI AHHAHHAHAH
>>288595994brother i read actual books man, not only can i do it but i can break it down for you and explain it in layman's terms
when does Zhāng say "wo ai ni" to me? xD
I remember reading Tae Kim's guide to learn hiragana and katakana at 17. Then I stopped, repeated the cycle a few times and now I'm almost 30. Welp.
>>288595198
>>288596093trvthnvked (´・ω:;.:...
why does op and all those replies feel like a certain tripfag
>>288596015Alright, Mr. Japanese Expert. Let's see you take a crack at this one. Should be easy for someone as skilled as youhttps://vocaroo.com/1gulXfcvTzZv
>>288595268This is the reason why fansubs and official subs remain bad. Because people like you blindly believe they're accurate.
>>288596119It's just Mlenko
>>288595198I want to learn spanish. Will watching anime in spanish help?
>>288596331No wtfay dios mio
Got n1 a decade ago but I still can’t get through hard audiobooks without missing any words…
>>288596339Halp me latinx bro I want to learn. What's the good movies, shows or vidya you people have made that I would enjoy consuming?
>>288596347FUCK OFF
>>288596345Doesn't sound like you're really N1 then lol
>>288596220not him but>first guy (隊長(?)) wants the hq (i assume military) to dispatch a heli to save the old man's nephew>can't because it's storming > but the 隊長 doesn't care 「承知の上で」、「嵐もくそもあるか」>also the contact gets cut off midway through because again, the storm 「送信不能」、「気象」>bonus: the old guy is desperate from his line 「神も仏も何者(?)か」>also something is about to happen 「あれを見んせ」
>>288596427Do you know how elementary n1 is??
>>288596450You are him and you completely failed lmaostick to your textbooks, kid, you ain't fluent
>>288596453Do you know how elementary audiobooks are?
>>288596477You certainly don’t
>>288596499Can you really say that after that monumental fail lol >>288596450
>>288596347how about The Mask of Zorro? :3
>>288596464And how was that wrong? Unless you're being pedantic.
>>288596524Because you missed like most of the dialogue and didn't transcribe any of it, and then pretended to be someone else to save face?lol you tried
>>288596520Mistaking everyone as the same person is the telltale sign of schizophrenia. meds.
>>288596550Well that just confirms you're the same guy crying about his fake n1 status
>>288596550Lil mlenromi
>>288595198Watching anime is an ass way to improve japanese. Just memorize 500 Kanji after learning the kanas and some grammar, read a few hundred raw manga volumes while memorizing the rest of the jouyou kanji, and then try watching some JRPGs or visual novels where native japanese people read the dialogue out loud for you. That's how I learned. You're welcome.
>>288596579You probably suck ass at Japanese. Anime is the best way to learn. Go back to /v/ or something, loser.
>>288596595Okay friend, keep throwing away precious time and learning at near 0 speed. I bet you use Duolingo and like japanese teaching youtubers too.
Faggots from /jp/ already ruined these threads I see
>>288596636「嵐もくそあるか！」* fuck
>>288595198manga regularly, with a dictionaryWith anime I don't want to constantly rewind for missed lines, I probably should more than I am though it's how I learn
>>288596636>>288596636also 機械 not 機会
I thought /a/nons could tell the seiyuu in dubs _:(´ཀ`」 ∠):
>>288595198We'll see
>>288596652 (me again)fuck it's 「嵐もくそもあるか！」*
>>288596636nice try, dekiru-san! ( ´∀｀)bｸﾞｯ!
>>288596579It depends on what you want to do with Japanese anonWhen most of what you do is read, your listening/speaking skills will fall way behind your reading skills.
>>288595281>so you're losing information whenever you read them over watching with Japanese subsAs long are you're not deaf you will still hear the original audio and pick up the things you know. Japanese subs aren't always available and you in order to read them at full speed you need some reading experience. Games and comics are more forgiving in that regard. Watching without subs is the alternative but you're going to miss out on some aspects as well. In the end there is no perfect solution and you have to compromise on one thing or the other until you've built up more training. Just don't waste your time with dubs or manga/game translations.
>>288596636This is so fucking bad lmao
>>>/wsg/6167761I believe you can understand what she said without subs >:3
>>288596636You are definitely not fluent bro lol
>>288596812>>288596829>btfo'd so bad he resorts to samefagginglel you are never gonna make it with that crab mentalitygb2djt loser
is it okay if your English level is about the same as mine? :^)
>>288596636>claims to be fluent>misses most of the dialogueb-bros?
>>288596778You won't pick up anything by reading the English subs, lil bro. Come back when you're actually ready to learn Japanese
>>288596666Quit being a bitch. You rewind with your eyes on manga so do the same with anime
>>288596890let's give him a round of applause for his great effort, bro? :3
>>288596220Not him but I will forever envy anyone who can mentally parse all that. I only picked up 何, 体調, and じゃない and I'm pretty sure I got the second one wrong. Speech at that speed is gibberish to me.
I need a nip history podcast for hours long immersion.I've long since plateaued at anime's level.
>>288596929>regular ass dialogue>stooopppp it's too fast!!
>>288595198>NanashiNot>Nakadashi
>>288596903You absolutely do. I learned a fair bit of vocabulary and grammar simply from watching subbed anime and drama and when I started learning for real it made the start easier. Reading English subs takes very little effort or attention so you can easily use them as a backup to ensure you don't stumble over a new word.
>>288596957Coomers like you typically suck ass at Japanese
>>288596943How do I improve listening comprehension then? At least with text I can take my time.
>>288596965Your vocabulary is really weak
>>288596973And the sheer amount of homonyms don't help either.
>>288596961No, the subs are mostly inaccurate and you'll miss 99% of what's actually being said. Look at how "fluent" anon completely failed at 30 second clip from a kid's anime. That's why English subs don't work
>>>/wsg/6167765this is the truly fast dialogue, desu! orz
>>288596983What homophone could actually trip you up in context? Are you retarded?
>>288596996If there's only audio like the link above, I will certainly be tripped up. At least the different kanji (and illustrations/manga, if any) eases the context barrier, even if it means having to look up yet another.
>>288597013>muh contextI promise you the visuals would not help your dekinai ass out if you seriously are that lost
>>288596984>you'll miss 99% of what's actually being saidAre you actually deaf? It's flat out impossible to miss out on that much if you can hear.Subs are going to cover 25-50%.
それにしても/a/nonが声優の演技で楽しめないのは勿体無いのう( ˘ω˘)知らんけど
>>288597045Yeah, and that's everyone who watches with crunchyroll subs is fluent in Japanese. Dumbass
>>288595268>I do read manga in JapaneseNice you're definitely gm->but I still mostly watch anime with subsngmi kek
>>288597059After thousand TV series they're going to pick up a decent amount. When they start learning how to read they'll pick up even more.
the furigana on manga is so small it hurts my eyes (i dont understand it anyway)
>>288597114They won't and they haven't.Proof: /a/
>>288597142Get good glasses
>>288597185I boughted a mushimegane(?)
>>288597142dakuten/handakuten can be damn near illegible in some manga, just look up both words and guess from the kanji which to check first
english alphabets always hurt my eyes! (＠_＠;)
>>288596220is this supposed to be hard? how did you learn Japanese?
>>288597224No, it's not supposed to be hard. Transcribe every line.
>>288597197What are these? Glasses for ants!
>>288595268Bad post shape
don't burn the ants under the magnifying glass! x(
>>288595198No Japanese sucks
no i used to learn it from reading 5ch and vtubers but now i don't learn it at all because there's no need
>>288595268I respect you bro but this is some series ngmi type shit
>>288597365Vtubers suck ass go back to vt
>>288597365ぶっちゃけ最短ルートやな知らんけど :3
>>288595198I want to learn it but it honestly feels too hard, like white people can't even comprehend it
>>288597378i don't think /vt/ is interested in japanese vtubers but i don't watch them anymore anyway
>>288597114Depends what you mean by "decent amount". Of course you can learn some words and even string together and understand some sentences in Japanese eventually. You're still illiterate though, which puts a very low ceiling for the kind of understanding and conversations you can have.Most anons if we forced them to go to Japan and speak Japanese constantly (in a non-educated/workplace context, so very day to day stuff) could learn to speak and understand in 6-12 months, but at the end of the day you would still be a person who can't read and thus is always limited to fairly simple conversations.
>>288597423Reading is the key to learning.
>>288595198No I'm reading visual novels instead (going through Clannad right now, which I won't finish any time soon at my current pace).I've tried manga a bit but all the JP scans I find are in terrible quality.
>>288596347blasphemous I and II
>>288597428Realistically, yeah, I don't think I stressed properly just how limited you would be if you knew the language but were illiterate. You'd pretty much permanently be conversing at a child's level.
>>288597447Which manga?
>>288597462Yeah, it's funny how locked away so many topics are when you can only learn from the little bits that you hear. You're basically a perma-beginner.
そもそも日本語に興味なさすぎない？ :/
>>288595975isn't that literally just できない
(I wonder if they found out I was dissing gaijins...?)
>>288597507By itself, that's just a verb.
>>288596427N1 is barely at a middle school reading level
Wow, I suddenly remembered why these threads got banned from /a/
to ngmi means わっかんねぇな(◍•̆ ·̭ •◍)ﾓｰ!!
>>288597615So are most light novels.
I've been studying it for 2.5 years now, but I started doing heavy immersion too late (only like 5-6 months ago) so my comprehension level is pretty shit. Recently started reading isekai ojiisan and hell it filters me hard. I also dropped anki completely. I only ever did like 1k kanji and learned at most 3k words (I can't even remember most of them anymore). Shit is pretty grim. I'm still trying to read every weekday and recently started watching japanese traveling vlogs (can understand 20% at most) but it's very demoralizing. At this pace it will probably take 15 more years.
Why is this thread so cancer? If you want people to learn Japanese then try stop being so autistic, kthnx.
>>288597648r/learnjapanese is a hugbox and look at how that turned out for them
>>288596220NTA butー分かっとる!(無量)装置で頼んでるんだよ!(脱出)ヘリコプタの人--何?(嵐も癖?)もあるか,一人の少女の命がだな!もしもし、もし、本部?ど、どうしたんだ?応答!ー隊長!機械はぶっ壊れます!(フォーティーン フロア)は、この(気象状態のせい)ですよ!ー隊長さん何とかわしの大事な姪が...神も仏もないものか?ー(罰当たり)なこと言うもんじゃない。仏様はちゃんと考えて下される。(あれ読みなさい?)!I really have no clue for most of these lol. Where is this from btw?
>>288597653I'm saying stop being weird. Try to act human or something.
>>288597670excellent, youve already been dekiru! :D
>>288595198No, I stopped using “anime” for it because “anime” was a mistake, it's nothing but trash.I use some comic books for it though which are generally better but in general only shit gets adapted to animation. For audio input I just use Youtube documentaries, reviews and a.s.m.r. tapes nowadays.The last thing I actually watched was Betrothed to my Sister's Ex, mostly because it was le “perfect N1+” without any subtitles and as I was watching it I was just “What the fuck am I even doing watching this to improve? This shit is colossal garbage for and by the grossest permavirgins known to man.” and then I just kissed it goodbye and life has never been better.Anime is for virgins, anime is trash. The comic books that get animated are the virginware copium for the most part. Better ones typically get adapted to live action anyway.
>>288597670You sure you aren't that other guy, because that was laughably wrong. Half of what you wrote doesn't even make sense, like フォーティーン フロア?? what? lmfao
>>288597708I knew that Japanese blood transfusion would do the trick
>>288597741Yeah that was pretty hardIs this from an anime?
>>288597716You probably just don't understand it as well as you think so you're frustrated by plots that don't make sense, hence why you gravitate towards manga, which you can more easily look up the words to.
>>288597750No, you're just pretty bad, and definitely not fluent.>Is this from an anime?Yup, and a pretty famous one at that.
>>288597758Cool, which anime? I've been meaning to catch up on older series
>>288597768If you weren't trying to pose as someone else, and actually earnestly tried to transcribe it, I would've told you lol
>>288597775Weird question, but are you circumcised?
>>288595198To be honest I still don't really know how to get into manga. I have some I'd like to read from series I've watched as anime. But actually getting some mangos, I dunno.
>>288597782No, I'm not Jewish.
>>288596220Not that anon, I don't even consider myself fluent the best half-claim I can make is watching precure raw lol but let me take a shot too>I get it! I'm not asking for something unreasonable here! something something helicopter>What!? (arashi mo kuse mo aruka (?)) To hell with the storm (I think?) ....the life of a girl? did he say "kakatta"? At stake/risk?>Hello!?2x Homebase!? What happened!? (give me a) response!>Captain, the machine is broken! .....is this.....'s fault!/because of this....!>old man loses it err... is God or Buddha not with us!?>Don't say such ---- things, Buddha is (literal) properly thinking up of something. I'm not sure what's a good way of saying that in english. Look at that!
Why is there always one extremely butthurt and hostile fag in these learning threads? Don't tell me it's a schizo.
>>288597835Stick to precure, my dude. Your Jap is garbage.
Naga nails
>>288597752It could be a factor, but the reality is just I feel that the things I like rarely get adapted. Most of these “anime” I watched I would never read the source material of because it's bad.The last few things I did legitimately enjoy, as in Do-Over-Damsel and the start of Daemon Lord 2099 I did end up reading the comic book version of as well so I'm pretty sure it has more to do with themes, and honestly even those were plagued by the kind of stuff that seems to basically be required for a title to be animated and it was a detriment to it.
>>288597865Highest IQ post ITT
>>288597856thats so unnecessarily mean, what kind of person do you turn into when you're not the most fluent jap speaker int he room?
>>288597856How about you finally tell us what it says then you insufferable faggot
>>288597862I don't even know what you're going for. This chain of reply happened and now suddenly there's one fag accusing someone of samefagging and you asking about circumcised. I really should stop browing /a/ on shitskin hours, that's what
>>288595198I can mostly follow anime, but I still have trouble parsing everything quickly enough even if I know the vocab. I just need more practice.Manga is more of an issue because I'm less willing to tolerate abiguity in text so it takes me forever to read while anime is real time by nature so if I don't catch something it's gone by.My main long term target is playing japanese games through and that has a pretty high skill floor. I might be able to understand dialogues and stuff, but mechanical text is difficult and I still suck at kanji. I've seen games that will have subs with full furigana for simple cutscene dialogue where I don't need it but for ability descriptions get fucked. If you aren't fully literate you ain't reading that.
>>288597896Damn bro, I didn't know that's why you were mocking people ITT. That's heavy. Don't be so hard on yourself anon, it's not your fault you were born like that and I forgive you. However for the sake of having a decent and fun thread I want you to first apologize to everyone you insulted
>>288597865iji iji :)
>>288597895I'm always the most fluent Japanese speaker in the room.
>>288597897Fluent for 5 years, huh?
>>288597980I don't speak a word of Japanese, I was just reading this thread out of curiosity and you were shitting it up with your faggotry
>>288597990Why did you change your posting style?
>>288598127>>288598138We appreciate your honesty, anon.
>>288598138confession accepted :3
>>288598127>>288598138That was really brave bro, I'm proud of you! You're displaying a lot of character by having the humility to answer people honestly about your faults and the courage to open up. Let's try and have a tanoshii thread from now on and support each other without irony-poisoning or unconstructive insults :D
>>288597920>Manga is more of an issue because I'm less willing to tolerate abiguityYou should never "tolerate ambiguity." Who even came up with that nonsense? If you're not understanding, you're not learning.>anime is real time by nature so if I don't catch something it's gone by.Pause, you idiot.
>>288598127>>288598138Lil bro crashing out over a simple 30 second clip of anime, damn. Sorry you don't know Japanese as well as you think lol
>>288597920>where I don't need itSounds like you still need it
>>288598231He already apologized to everyone for posting a clip that he didn't even understand himself, don't bully bro like that
>>288598260Took you 4 attempts at what amounted to N3 Japanese and you still got most of it wrong lol
What do I feel like the person insulting and also saying he knows Japanese are the same person. Thread just feels like a giant samefag oh that's left is somebody to just consecutively post I win every 5 seconds
>>288598287Our friend admitted he has an insecurity about his body and it causes him to lash out at people habitually. Please don't bully him.
>>288598287Didn't you claim to know Japanese before getting humbled by the clip?
>>288598287>oh that's leftlil eslromi :3
>>288597920Vidya is much easier than anime. While the vocabulary is larger, the pacing is generally much easier and everything is subbed.
>>288596696>>288597391>>288597708>>288598372Can I ask you a question?
>>288598400yes yes :0
>>288598400>>288598406Bro, time to sleep.
>>288598406君はどのプリキュアが一番好き?
>>288598391>While the vocabulary is largerDepends on the specific game. If you compare fantasy games and fantasy anime there won't be a big difference. But obviously there are far more games out there and games that cover topics that never get mentioned in anime.What's special about games is that you have some feedback for your text comprehension. With a passive medium you could just brush over it without understanding anything but in a game you have to follow instructions or collect clues and therefore can mainly succeed if you get things right.
>>288598466え〜〜〜っ 選べないよぉぉぉ(((＠°▽°＠)))
>>288597114It's faster to grind flashcards and then watch raw anime to commit vocab to memory than try to figure it all out through subbed anime.
>>288598483Kind of. Like I said, the vocabulary is larger, but you can generally take it at your own pace. Unlike a show, games are repetitive and contain a majority of second-person speech aimed at the player. This is far easier to follow as a learner than an anime which goes at its own pace and does not tailor the conversation towards the viewer.Games have a kind of book feel to them, with slow dialogue and pacing, whereas anime is faster and contains more punchy dialogue, which can be harder to follow.
>>288598487いいから選べ >:3
>>288598550you were not me :0
>>288598526Even if you grind flash cards, you still gotta figure it out as you read subs. The syntax won't make sense until you learn it in context.
What the fuck is going on in this thread
>>288598673Japanese learning.
>>288598391Depends what, most "serious" games will require a higher baseline level of literacy to understand. It's difficult to make a build if you don't understand what the abilities do pretty well. At least I find to be a significant barrier. You can engage with the game not understanding the plot, but that ironically is the easier part anyway.
>>288598774Abilities and build trees are probably the least of your worries from a syntactic sense. I can't think of any games that I've played where the ability descriptions were particularly hard to follow, but I can think of plenty of confusing lines and story beats.
>>288595198I'm an ameriboo. I only worship the United States of fucking America. I don't want to learn no ching chong.
>>288598829Think of it more as you're a code breaker serving your country in WWII. You've gotta intercept and decrypt those goddamn Japs' messages for the good of the US. The Japanese are such arrogant bastards that they think no American can ever crack their code.
>>288598890Good analogy
The last learning japanese thread on /a/ that I saw was a lot more friendly and positive.
>>288598953Get good, faggot. This ain't your safespace.
>>288598953Japanese is serious business + most people on /a/ are larping
>>288596220>>288596450>>288596636>>288597670It's pretty close I'd say 80% accurate. Here is the transcript since the OP doesn't seem to even understand japaneseわかっとる無理を生じて頼んでるんだよ第１級ヘリコプターの出動。何？嵐もくせもあるか？一人の少女の命がたな。もしもし、もし本部？どどうしたんだ応答を。隊長機械がぶっ壊れます。方針書はこの気象状態のせいです。隊長さん何とかわしの大事の姪は、全く神も仏もないものか。罰当たりのことを言うもんじゃない。仏様はちゃんと考えてくだされ、あれを見せ、
>>288595198Already did by reading visual novels for yearsNow japan got pozzed by western politics or their media is aimed now at zoomers so i cant enjoy new shit anymoreThe only silver lining is being able to consume old shit, stuff before 2020 before covid fried their brains.
>>288599148None of your previous attempts are anywhere close to 80% and your latest one is still wrong lol
>>288597846It's actually several schizo's!
>>288598673there's a reason /djt/ got exiled to /jp/
>>288599148>claims to have the transcript>writes 方針書lol, lmao even
>>288599196Quit crying, there's plenty of good media. Also, visual novel readers suck ass at Japanese. All of you guys are a joke.
>>288599213does your schizophrenia makes you think you understand japanese?>>288599299could be kousinjyou but idk where it's from, there's a reason why every japanese TV shows and youtube videos come with CC
>>288599349No, it absolutely could not. Quit acting like you know Japanese. Dumber people could actually fall for your bullshit.
>>288599378uh yeah it can, lots of manzai acts rely on misheard japanese, even their dajare relies on misheard phrasese. did you even ignore what I wrote how all japanese digital media comes with CC? do you even understand japanese?or maybe I'm just falling for the bait
>>288599349>nihon sikiI will put a curse on you and your kin for 1000 generationsalso yes, you are falling for bait from some absolute dekinai with heaploads of unearned confidence
>>288599430Are you seriously invoking dad joke rules into a scene from a shonen anime where a girl is danger during a thunderstorm. You might just be the dumbest motherfucker alive.
>>288599430>brings up manzai for no reasondamn dude you have no clue what you're talking about lol
>>288599488since you're so smart then transcribing this should be a piece of cake for youhttps://vocaroo.com/15n3C8fFpt9V
>>288596220I guess 出動 is a little hard to catch but otherwise this is pretty ez dunno what the fuss is about
Alright big guy, now see if you can translate THIShttps://vocaroo.com/12PqZO86dyajYeah, didn't fucking think so. Bitch.
>>288599480i'll take nihon siki over whatever the hell is korean romanization
>>288599590the fuss is that you failed to both understand and transcribe itpretty funny stuff
>>288599148Here is differencies from how I hear it.> 生じて「承知で」> 第１級「大至急」> の出動I hear like there is 「を」 after it, but I'm not sure.> 嵐もくせも「嵐もくそも」> 命がたな「命がだな」> 方針書I can't catch words here, but I think here is more likely「送信不能」as anon wrote earlier.> のせいです「のせいですよ」> 考えてくだされ「考えてくだされる」> 見せFor me it sounds like 「見いせん」, but I'm not sure.
>>288599552Don't be mad at me just because you can't follow a simple shonen anime lol
>>288599654Dunno what ur talking about bro, it’s just Japanese. Like you listen to it and understand what they are saying it’s not that hard idk
>>288599669>Can't transcribe it KWAB
>>288599661Could be, admittedly pretty genius bait sending clip from an anime without context. Radio drama would be clearer since every word's enunciated, but then again it won't make as good a bait.
Been watching anime at least 20 years and all I can tell you are funny words like "EEEEEE SODAIO??"
>>288599760>SODAIOoh no
>>288599732Also the pronunciation on that audio is not very clear and there is noise. Even if it was in my native language, I could easily not catch some words (I actually often don't catch some words when viewing movies in my native language).
>>288595198and you're learning proper pronunciation as well, right?
>>288598372nah that's just a voice to text transcribe error of "all" but thanks
>>288596728You still need to learn how the language works and the logic behind japanese words. You can't reach a decent level without knowing kanji. Then you can gradually practice your output, or listening, and anime won't add as much if you already learned its vocabulary through manga. But sure, there isn't a single unified way to learn
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