>carries throwing knives at an elite private schoolWhy? More importantly, how did she get away with it?
>>288601810>private school>how did she get away with it$$$
>>288601810Doesn't the school belong to her family?
>>288601810Oooh knives scary
>>288601810She keeps them hidden and only uses them in the clock tower.
>>288601810>Fantasizes about killing her sister everyday>Who is shown to have dreams of being murdered by Rei>Almost pushes her sister to suicide to prove her incestuous love>As an 18 year old, not being able to let the childhood obsession go>Manifests her own death to fulfill the sick suicide fantasy she never grew out of>Gets painted as a victim by fans
>>288604785Fukiko enabled her as a means of stroking her own ego, so she’s just as much to blame.
>>288605333Fukiko appeased Rei because she felt guilty that her "infidelity" (having a crush on a boy) made Rei want to kill herself even more. And if enabling is a crime, then so is Rei to blame for agreeing to the suicide pact they both made when they were 12.
>>288605367But part of her motive was also treating Rei like a slave because it gave her a power trip. Her whole personality and character is built around her pride and ego.
>>288605415Part of Rei's motive was wanting Fukiko to boss her around and go through with killing her. She resented Fukiko not because she was cruel, but because she was not murderous enough (she decided to save her last minute). She revealed that in the moment she almost killed Nanako in the clock tower. She was reckless with her life because she wanted to be dead and only the hope of imminent death could help lift her mood.
>>288601810The moral of the story is being lesbian only brings you suffering.
>>288605996No wonder Tomoko, who's clearly straight, is the happiest girl in the bunch.
>>288606659She crushed on St. Juste and Kaoru though.
>>288606659>>288607201isnt kaoru the straightest? i dont remember her fawning over any of the girls and she literally becomes a mother
>>288605996bravo ikeda
Does anyone have the bear punch scene? You know the one. never watched this show but that webm cracks me up.
>>288604785You have to remember that this is a shoujo, and women would never hold another woman accountable for being retarded
>>288604785>I lack basic human empathy or understanding of material conditions
>>288608302She's dikemaxxing for most of the show though.
>>288609314What "material conditions"? That Fukiko was richer or something? Or that she and Rei routinely taunted each other? Rei knew that Fukiko didn't want her to die. That's why she would do things detrimental to her health. That irritated Fukiko, who would then lash out at Rei. That the show chooses to interpret this as Fukiko having control issues is proven wrong when she does nothing to stop the dismantling of the Sorority and then Rei kills herself anyway, knowing Fukiko has moved on from their codependent relationship.
>>288601810>Why?Just in case
What did she mean by this?
>>288609352no, shes just an actual tomboy
Mariko a best.
>>288610051Her relationship with Henmi isn't even revealed until like 3 episodes before the show is over. Before that, she was cuddling boob-to-boob with Rei, claiming she wanted to "save" her etc
>>288610099Nothing. Wrong.
>>288609971she couldn't believe the astronomical coincidence that her cram school teacher who became her penpal pseudo-brother (kinda weird nanako), is actually in fact her real (step) brother. what are the fucking odds?
>>288610458it's incredibly obvious from midway through the anime that they were a thing.
>>288610519One shadow shot isn't "obvious"
>>288610592there were more hints, he was the reason kaoru and rei did not accept nanako's invitation to the university fair.
>>288611372That's not a hint at a relationship.
>>288604785WONT YOU FLYYYYYYY HIIIIIIIGH FREEEEEEE BIIIIIIIIIIRD YAAAAAHGod I love this show so much
>>288606659best girlbest friendmiracle of the universe
>>288608302lol
>>288611753>>288611837this is just your average teenage girl sleepover
Oh I collect works from this series. I have a bunch of production items. I have to say I really hated the 'twist' of kaoru and rei.
The characters in this show are divided into two catergories:>did literally nothing wrong>based beyond moral comprehension
>>288611898fukiko, mariko, and nanako are neither of those
>>288611875Ikeda seems to believe that
>>288611923Anon forgot there's a third "did absolutely everything wrong" category.
>>288611828She did take Mariko’s word for it that Nanako apparently “betrayed” her rather than actually going to Nanako and asking her, so I wouldn’t say she’s a perfect friend.>>288611898Nanako and Mariko both do based things, and Nanako also did nothing wrong for the entire series.
>>288601850same as this sweaty
>welcome to the sisterhood, anon.how do you respond?
>>288613570Arrange an orgy and impregnate them all.
>>288613570>The ones at the side wearing pantsThere goes the autistic theory that the Sorority "only accepts feminine girls"
>>288614190The rule for joining the Sorority is that you have to be popular, pretty and have high academic achievement. Nanako wasn’t popular, so she only got in because Fukiko had a personal vendetta against her.
>>288614190>Sorority "only accepts feminine girls"that's nonsense cause fukiko personally selected kaoru for sorority before she rejected her.
>>288615631I think the irony is that if Kaoru accepted the role, she probably could have ousted Fukiko due to her popularity and reformed the Sorority from the inside, as well as protect Nanako. In other words, 70% of the events of the series could have been avoided.
>>288611753re-watch episode 19 and 20 with your eyes open.
>>288613570It's weird. It's just a group of mean bitches, but when the sisterhood dissolved. I really felt like something precious has disappeared forever.
>>288610099mariko supremacy
>>288616595Yes.
>>288616413Because Fukiko, for all her faults, was genuine in her belief in dignity and honour. She didn’t tolerate thot-like Stacy behaviour that the likes of Misaki and the less respectable Sorority members displayed. The Sorority could have been a great thing if Fukiko did a better job at curbing the corruption and bullying and also didn’t end up turning it into a vanity project.>>288616595>>288616784I genuinely wonder how Mariko would react to the political climate of today considering that she’s a militant femcel. She’d be in her 40s in the current year if she was real, afterall.
>>288613150>Nanako also did nothing wrong for the entire seriesother than simping for st juste, joining the sorority, and letting fujiko hit on her repeatedly
>>288613570rape fukiko to establish pack dominance
>>288617409You can’t blame her for any of that. Especially since the last two were situations she was forced into against her will.
>>288617434>you cant blame her for simping>you cant blame her for joining a cult where she watched other members haze and bully people>you cant blame her for being hit on by a lunatic and shrugging it off as "haha, she's just quirky like that"she also tries to make soup for a dead girl, and doesnt slap any sense into her carpet muncher friend Mariko
>>288617466When Fukiko tried to punish Mariko for stabbing someone by expelling her from the Sorority Nanako acted like she just kicked a puppy. It's so weirdly incongruent with the rest of the series' implication that Fukiko is knowingly aiding the violent competition girls get into to join the Sorority and that Nanako is apparently opposed to it
>>288615631I know, it's just a popular headcanon that Fukiko only invited Kaoru into the sorority because she wanted to isolate her from Rei. Which isn't a bad reading, since she had a problem with her playing basketball, but I think it was a combination of that and Fukiko genuinely admiring her for being by all accounts a perfect student. It's also a popular headcanon that the Sorority doesn't like or invite unfeminine girls or something, which is evidently untrue
>>288617524No one told her to stab her classmate. And besides, Mariko is a basket case. Who knew what she would to to herself.
>>288618026anyone with a functioning brain
>>288601810one of the biggest badasses i've ever seen in a yuri, she goes so hard>take drugs, throw knives, scare bitches10/10
>>288617524Nanako was angry because Misaki was instigator of the situation by provoking Mariko, and Fukiko also didn’t consider Mariko’s troubled home life and the fact Misaki was bullying her for it when she passed her judgement. Nanako was 100% right to be pissed off, especially considering that was the second time she saw Fukiko expel someone from the Sorority for unfair reasons.>>288617715Yeah, it’s a bullshit headcanon. Personally I’m a bigger fan of the headcanon that Nanako is a kinky /d/-tier degenerate and that Oniisama e and RoV take place in the same universe, with Rei being one of Oscar’s ancestors.
>>288610099I fucking love it when Mariko acts crazy, she was so justifiedbut I'm glad she got on meds or something
>>288613570see:>>288610099
>>288618026Exactly>>288618263Yeah Misaki instigated it with words, but how is that Fukiko's fault at all? She deserved to get slapped but not stabbed. You just can't have it both ways though. Either Fukiko is okay with 'bullying and hazing' or she isn't. She also wasn't there when it happened. But she did what she had to do as the president and expelled her.
>>288618372Samefag, I just don't think either of the times Fukiko expelled someone they were unjustified. One, for failing to keep up with academic standards, and the other, for literally stabbing someone. The characters talk out of two sides of their mouth - Fukiko is both evil for turning a blind eye to bullying, and evil when she doesn't.
>>288618431Expelling someone for failing to meet academic standards because they were sick during and exam and not giving them a second chance isn’t a reasonable cause for expulsion in the slightest.
>>288617118*50sAnd in the manga timeline, she'd be in her 70s
>>288617118Mariko got over her femcelism during the show. She found happiness in the cock like a good Japanese girl
>>288617118I really don't think Mariko meant those things. She was just saying them to gauge everyone's response. Like when she bit her ear.
When you think about it, Oniisama e was arguably one of the precursors of the “dark academia” genre. High school drama + gothic horror is a combo that really wasn’t done before it.
>>288618249rei is many things, badass being quite far down the list.
>>288618477Fukiko didn't know Junko was sick because she didn't tell her. It's a bit harsh, but ultimately "having a high fever" is not an excuse either way, which is why Junko didn't mention it. Especially when everyone else managed to make the cut.
>>288618263>I’m a bigger fan of the headcanon that Nanako is a kinky /d/-tier degenerate
>>288618804being pathetic is cool, actually
Glad this thread is still up, bump with a rei
>tfw ywnb a beautiful teenage girl at an elite high school experiencing their sexual awakening while mingling with high society and studying classical music and poetryThis feeling hurts far more than it should. Is it bad that I find the world of Oniisama e extremely comfy and want to be there?>>288618826This scene is what made me come up with this theory in addition to the fact that Nanako keeps forgiving people who literally molest and try to kill her. It seems very obvious to me that she’s a masochistic submissive who would be down for pretty much anything with some gentle coaxing. She canonically likes older men too, so she’s probably into daddydom as well.
>>288619115>Is it bad that I find the world of Oniisama e extremely comfy and want to be there?Yeah, kinda. These girls are miserable.
>>288618804She smokes and throws knives around. Of course she is badass!>>288619115Yes, it is. You should want to fuck the crazy, not become them!
>>288619115fukiko agrees.
>>288619223>You should want to fuck the crazy, not become them!What if I want both?
>>288619307Did Fukiko even care that her sister killed herself?
>>288620391Rewatch the last few episodes anon. She grieved immensely. Or if you're talking about the manga... she grieved there too, although in the manga she verbally abused Rei beforehand which led to her killing herself.
>>288620391>>288620440
>>288619115kinda gay sis
I find it wild that this series got an anime adaptation almost 20 years after the manga came out, AND the anime ended up adding more content than the source material.Modern anime adaptations could never.
>>288620488This never sat right with me. Even if it’s some Tom and Jerry “she wants it” relationship, she was being an absolute bitch to rei all the time. How the hell can she say “I did it for you, how could you do this” when it was clearly driving her sister insane just to get fukiko to spit on her? But we’re supposed to feel bad for her at the funeral?
>>288622999She didn’t know what she had until it was gone. She had someone who loved her unconditionally and she threw it in the trash for her own pursuit of power.
>>288623095You pave paradise, put up a parking lot
>>288622999Fukiko wasn't worse to Rei than Rei was to her at all. It's just that the first time you see them interact, Fukiko ends up letting the frog pin fall on Rei so you think she's the aggressor in the relationship. But then it's revealed that Rei is sexually possessive and has a carved out figure of her that she throws knives at everyday and Fukiko dreams about being killed by her. Not to mention Fukiko was concerned about her attendance at school, her smoking, and her self-isolation, but she feared Rei just as much as she feared her.
>>288622999>>288623287Also yeah, Fukiko felt guilty that she was as possessive to Rei that she was of her, that's the point of Rei's death. It forced her to change from taking life for granted and being obsessed with the past to looking toward the future. At the end of the day, they weren't able to be sisters properly because they were both too cowardly to open up to each other.
>>288601850how indeed
Nanako and Tomoko both deserved so much better. They suffered way too much.
>>288618826>De Sade
>>288601810Was this anime good? It's been one always at the back of my mind to watch
>>288627192yes. i dont even like slice of life but i still enjoyed it a lot. its one big, unhinged soap opera in the best way possible
>>288617715Kaoru's big heart would have had a calming effect on the sorority girls. Fukiko's constant manipulation and tendency to push everyone to the edge were driving people insane. I do believe Fukiko had their best interests at heart—competition between the sisters helped them flourish, and they were very powerful and elegant women after all. But Fukiko's personal issues turned them against each other, and her influence deteriorated further because of her strained relationship with Rei.
>>288627192it's peak.
>>288628018This is kinda unrelated but something about Kaoru marrying a man while still having a year of high school to go going against the Sorority's "no boys" policy. The dissolution of the Sorority is really just a symbolic transition from latent homosexuality to heterosexuality. Not that that means Fukiko is straight; she just accepts that that's what everyone else wants.
>>288601810Bjorn Andresen
I don’t understand why some people hate the ending for having hetero pairings when the series is a coming of age story first and a yuri second. Also, most of the cast is bisexual, so it’s consistent. Rei was the only one who was 100% a dyke.
>>288628795>Sorority's "no boys" policywhere are you getting this impression from? it's an all girls school, one of the perks of sorority IS that you get to attend parties and mingle with well bred men.Only blatant anti-man character is Mariko
>>288629638I don't hate the ending I hate the bullshit death just for the sake of their being a twist. it would be far more believable to suffer a heart attack due to drug dependence and having it be the only thing keeping you alive
>>288629662>one of the perks of sorority IS that you get to attend parties and mingle with well bred menI do genuinely wonder how that’s meant to work considering we never see any of the Sorority members hook-up with guys or even mention having a boyfriend in general. Nanako is the only one who has something even close to a “boyfriend” and we all know that was a misunderstanding.
>>288628795>Sorority's "no boys" policy
>>288630027She OD’d in the manga. They had to change it for the anime because of the TV censors.
>>288630114that's so much better and now i don't hate it as much. thanks for the correction anon. is there any other main differences?
>>288630597Mainly that the anime added a TON more that wasn’t in the manga. Tomoko gets way more screentime in the anime, as she was barely in the manga since her fallout with Nanako in the manga lasts until the Sorority abolition. The whole summer house episode is anime original, as is the university fair episode. Also in the manga ending [/spoiler]Kaoru dies without having a child and there’s no mention of Nanako finding a new partner.[/spoiler]IMO, the anime is the superior product overall even though both are exceptionally. Ikeda herself loved the anime adaptation according to Dezaki.
>>288630759Yeah I heard the first part at least on why it was a better adaptation. I really like it a lot but at least I can stop putting off the manga and see how that was done. I would've liked it a bit similar in the show because it's just so out of left field in a bad way.
>>288630759I prefer the art style of anime over manga.
must.post..
>>288631588>some of you girls are alright. Don’t come to Seiran tomorrow.
>>288631513Same, but it’s a pretty close match.Akio Sugino made 10/10 female character designs in everything he was involved in.
>>288632109I like how he couldn't restrain himself with Mariko's mom, so it actually weakens the plot slightly. She's pretty matronly in the manga.
>>288629662>>288630084That never happens in the show, the only mention of dating from any of the members is when Fukiko bans Nanako from boys and locks her in a closet to keep her from going to the festival with Henmi>Only blatant anti-man character is MarikoMariko ends up with a boyfriend (in the manga) and learns to like Rei/Fukiko's brother in the anime>>288629638>Rei was the only one who was 100% a dyke.I agree Rei was gay (for Kaoru, not Nanako) but I think Fukiko was too. No I don't think an unattainable crush that started when she was 12 years old on an 18 year old man counts.I think Mariko is bisexual, not gay or whatever, because I respect both the manga and the anime.
>>288632827they explain sorority in episode 1.>muh mangawe are discussing the anime.
>>288601810Stupidest death in all of anime btw
>>288633036a drug overdose?Happens more often than we like to admit.
>>288633043Reaching out for a bunch of flowers and getting hit by a train.
>>288632827>Rei was gay (for Kaoru, not Nanako)we didn't watch the same show
>>288633086I let it slide because it was extremely well foreshadowed (the hypothermia episode that’s almost a perfect echo of what happens) and also just a well executed episode in general. They really couldn’t have done much better with the network requirement of having to change the death from an OD.
>>288633107It’s obvious that Nanako genuinely loved Rei, but the extent to which Rei loved her back is debatable. I think Rei liked her, was grateful to her and was willing to give her a chance as far as dating went, but it was likely nothing compared to her obsession with Fukiko.
>>288613570I'm a guy
>>288628316>>288632827How does this show look so good despite being a TV series and how come modern series can’t match its aesthetic?
>>288633172See I took the moment until that episode to be nanako and Rei were leading up to dating each other but of course we never got to see the ending of that. You can even see that prior to their outing they were picking special outfits and doing their hair Rei was in a very good mood to have the energy for it. This all gives me 'crush' and giddy first date feelings which you can even see mirrored irl with women. I also take it as a healthy relationship compared to a toxic over dependant relationship. Through knowing nanako Rei continues to have better outlooks to where she doesn't need to abuse her drugs as much. We'll never actually see what 'could have' but that's what fanwork is for.
>>288632945The first rule of fiction is to prioritize what's shown over what's told.>>288633036I choose to interpret it as a suicide because that's the only way the story has any meaning/narrative whatsoever. The last few episodes being about valuing the fleeting beauty of life don't apply if Rei's suicide wasn't even partially manifested. That's why despite what these condescending anons say, the manga is very relevant when developing your reading of the anime.
>>288633538I think that was Rei thanking Nanako for helping and supporting her by asking her out. She knew Nanako was in love with her but I don't think she returned those feelings insofar as Nanako was a replacement for Fukiko in her mind. If she let go of Fukiko she would have to let go of Nanako too.The reason I say Rei was gay for Kaoru is really just a hunch, they flirted with each other a lot and it seemed deeper more mature and reciprocated than Rei with Nanako. >>288611837If we interpret Rei's death as because she realized Fukiko no longer needed her, well, I think it means a lot that Kaoru represented life for her.
>>288633296It's Dezaki at the peak of his ability and with probably a lot of money too. He had such a long track record of successful productions even with limited budgets that the studios were likely willing to give him some of their asset bubble cash.
>>288633296Japan used to be a super power and anime was one of their strongest soft power sources.
>>288601810The women on this show were almost all of them such fuck ups, it's such a good show indeed.
>>288613570I wonder how the fuck I got here.
Dezaki is mostly remembered in Japan for Gamba and Versailles. People thinking this is his best always seemed like a bizarre opinion to me.
>>288633296This show was produced at the tail end of the bubble era, back then Japan had lots of cash and was getting enough power to scare the US, so that's the reason why shows like this and some late 80s OVA have so much quality that to this day they still look amazing.
>>288634235>He had such a long track record of successful productionsdid he though? I heard some of his shows were cancelled due to low ratings.Oniisama doesn't scream high budget to me at all, just carried by the sheer power of good art direction and composition
>>288634062you are genuinely retarded.
>>288635365I feel as though Oniisama and Versailles are his two best primarily because Ikeda is perfect source material for his melodramatic style. Plus, it’s difficult to deny that Oniisama e is his peak in terms of raw cinematography and aesthetics.
>>288635365japs have different taste than gaijins.
>>288635871He finished most of his projects. The only one from his era that outright bombed initially was actually RoV surprisingly enough. It suffered terrible ratings to the point that some prefectures stopped airing it, and it wasn’t until it got a second run in the 80s that it got its reputation as a GOAT anime.
>>288635923I accept your concession.
>>288635871>Oniisama doesn't scream high budget to me at allThere are OVAs from that era that don’t look as good as it. It’s also one of the rare Dezaki anime to actually have extremely fluid animation in certain bits. Dezaki just manages to stretch the budget by sticking to his impressionistic style.
>>288636177You can even tell in black jack when they move to more computer animated effects later in the ovas. Solar flare and haze in everything.
>>288636410Don’t forget that back in 1983, Golgo 13: The Professional was one of the first movies ever, live action or otherwise, to use CGI. Dezaki was a pioneer of animation, and when he put his work into a passion project like Oniisama e, it showed.
>>288636517This id agree with, but I think the transition in bj wasn't that great leaving a stark difference between the before and after. Bj isn't bad at all, but it's just incredibly noticable
>>288636574I think Dezaki was very much of the George Lucas mentality where he was excited to experiment with any new technology that came out at the time and felt he needed to test the limits of the tech. If Dezaki were alive and still making anime today, he’d be using AI in his anime now.
>>288636749 I feel like he'd reject it like most Japanese based creatives actually.
>>288636818Considering CGI was stigmatised just as heavily back then as AI is now, and yet he used it anyway, I kind of doubt it. That combined with the fact he went full digital in the 2000s tells me that he wasn’t scared of technological advancements. I doubt he’d make an entirely AI generated series, but he’d probably toy with using it for in-between frames or for a setpiece like he did with the CGI in Golgo.
what about his 00s works like ultraviolet and genji, are they good?
>>288637761The Snow Queen is an underrated WMT-like he did.
Are Sororities really that bad IRL?
>>288639438They're the opposite irl, they only exist for girls to have an excuse to slut around with frat boys and try to one-up each other academically and socially.
>>288635365It's Joe everywhere.
>>288640674Interesting that Ikeda interpreted them as a female mafia. Perhaps both Soroities and Frats would be better off if they had codes of honour and sophistication like Fukiko envisioned.
>>288637761Genji is one of my favorites. Not a huge oniisamafag though.>>288636517True but I'm pretty sure CGI in Golgo was the producer's idea.
>>288609314Libturd foidbabble.
