Guys, I think I miss the pretentious anime fans, discussion so boring and anti-intellectual, that I kinda miss people overthinking lot of this stuff because at least it made talking about anime interesting. Why did those type of fans die out and why did anime fans become so anti-intellectual you can't even think of a show outside of surface level without someone going ''it ain't that deep bruh'' ?
>>288604997>Why did those type of fans die outThey trooned out. Also modern anime aren't even thought provoking on the level something shit like Elfen Lied was. They really give you nothing to discuss outside power scaling and shippings.>why did anime fans become so anti-intellectualAnime was a hobby for the smart introverts. Now every monkey brain casualfaggot is an "animes fan".
>>288604997We still exist. We just avoid the places where you hang out.
>>288605089I can agree mostly even if Elfen Lied is a stupid show, there's actual stuff to discuss about it.>>288605139I hang out here...
>>288605177>I hang out here...>discussion so boring and anti-intellectualCoincidence?
>>288605089There's modern intellectual anime on the level of Elfen Lied, but the dumb fans only discuss shipping.
>>288605226>There's modern intellectual anime on the level of Elfen Liedlist 10
>>288605226>>288605255If we define 'modern' as 'produced in the modern period', then we're safe
>>288604997>Why did those type of fans die outThey didn't, they just don't post here because this place is a dumping ground for neonazi tourists who hate anime but have to pretend to like it because their culture war derangement forces them to participate in any popular fandom.>why did anime fans become so anti-intellectual you can't even think of a show outside of surface level without someone going ''it ain't that deep bruh'' Those aren't fans, just tourists, and that's why they only make up justifications for not engaging with the media they pretend to be fans of. Plus, they have to avoid all of the intellectual elements in anime because they're the exact sort of immoral trash that authors point out as the root of all problems. If you want to see what those types of fans are doing, go start searching the academic pirate sites for the stuff they get published in journals. Go on youtube and find the video essays they make.
>>288605321Most video essays are badly edited surface level stuff that tells you things you should know just by watching the show.
>>288604997Themes stopped mattering for the most part sometime during the 80s. Bubblegum Crisis is a good example of that.
>>288604997>Why did those type of fans die out and why did anime fans become so anti-intellectual you can't even think of a show outside of surface level
>>288605377Okay, so don't watch those ones? Amusingly, those lower effort videos are more necessary than ever because of the influx of tourists who can't decipher what's happening on the screen in front of them. Just look at how many of the dogshit posters on /a/ can't basic describe narrative or characterization accurately. That's where so much of the anti-intellectualism comes from, being functionally "illiterate."
Since when was Bubblegum Crisis supposed to be intellectual? The whole appeal is that it's pulpy and cool
>>288606116I just used it as a picture anon.
>>288606116Also there's still themes you can discuss and characters, even more so with Tokyo 2040, there's more than just the girls look cute and action cool even if it's not ''deep'' but most people just want talk about stuff they jerk off to or whatever.
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>>288604997Dubbed and streamed anime meant that anime viewers were no longer just the smart nerds who only watched anime with subtitles or who took the trouble to learn Japanese.And with dubbing and streaming, a mass of functionally illiterate people began consuming anime because it was trendy, not because they liked Japanese stories or the detailed animation. And since they’ve always been superficial people, they never go beyond a superficial view of the anime they watch.
>>288607185I've noticed the lack of fans who watch both dubbed and subbed like the old days and compare the two and discuss translations and all that.
>>288604997Why waste the time and energy? I don't benefit from defending anime I like to an apathetic or outright antagonistic audience on 4chan.
>>288607523Now it just dub bad sub good or other way around with no real discussion about the differences and how things are handle.
>>288604997>Why did those type of fans die out and why did anime fans become so anti-intellectual you can't even think of a show outside of surface level without someone going ''it ain't that deep bruh'' ?Those types make video essays on youtube now.You don't see it on here because you're in a space with neonazis and conservative christians, and those types embrace anti-intellectualism and incuriousity. They looove deriding anyone who is passionate about non-conservative/Christian hobbies because they are hierarchy-brained and see those discussions as an attack on their ego/character.>>288605321Fax.Those types think that it is heckin gay and pretentious if you aren't obnoxiously reciting bible or gun/military trivia 24/7, because it's not "practical knowledge" in their eyes. When in reality, it is useful for learning about art and figuring out how it would affect others (which is important for spreading ideas at a large scale). They wonder why "woke people" are overrepresented in entertainment, when those types of people have studied it greatly. Ironically, it is more practical than reciting unconvincing apologetics or firearm terminology.
>>288607534Because it's fun to talk about things you like. Fun things are fun.
>>288607568Repeating myself isn't fun
>>288605494My hot take is that all media analysis is extremely useful. It is an impressive and effective skill to study how creatives make multiple people sympathize or voluntarily commit to their ideas without drawing blood.
>>288607988I think the other dude meant more like the "summarize the literal plot and dialogue of a show scene by scene" videos that don't look at context and reception at all, but I agree that even those have use. Children need basic examples on how to observe and interpret a work, and the lacking education system has produced plenty of adults who still struggle with those things.
never understood elfen lied hate
the mods tend to delete meta-threads like this one nowadays.
>>288605089They left or switched to minimal lurking because of crossboard retards like this one that can't go one post without calling something tranny or slop.
>>288604997Not my problem
>>288604997At some point, you just don't see a reason to discuss something with ignorant kids. Like, could you spark an interest in them in topics that require some additional knowledge they don't have? I don't think so.
>>288610079and you can't change people's minds either since trying to change someone's mind just makes them double down on what they already believe, even if you can back it up with evidence.
>>288608487I think Elfen Lied is a pretty ok show but it would be way better if Yuka didn't exist
>>288605139>We just avoid the places where you hang out.Seriously, which places do you guys hang out to talk about niche and obscure anime in other than imageboards?, X?, please no preddit.
>>288609268Yeah this. It's not worth it anymore
>>288611412As a serious answer I talk about it with friends I made years ago through email or dm 1 x 1 or with irl people
>>288604997people made themselves difficult to talk to without them being all guarded about being serious because everyone has to be a smartass or else they'll worry about their egos getting bruised, so you can't take anything seriouslylike the faghog's dilemma
>>288604997Nene my beloved
>>288604997I was thinking about starting to take notes when I watch anime. Just like when I read books, because that way you notice the details the creators included in the dialogue or scenes, details that are often overlooked when you just skim through anime. Plus, it helps you remember what you watched better.
>>288611412friends I made at uni and additional friends they introduced me to
anime used to be intellectual
>>288612840You could start a blog where you write compositions about the anime you've finished watching. You could review the overall anime, or do an exploration for each season/episode. It feels like there are less of these type of personal websites that are still regularly updated. You could also just write your entries on MAL, either as reviews, or as contributions to forum discussions. >Plus, it helps you remember what you watched better.I find that if I binge an anime in short succession, I remember very little details-wise. If I'm watching a seasonal anime, it allows time for the details and events to diffuse in my mind and subconsciously make sense of them. Falls in line with the concept of spaced repetition, I suppose.
>>288605417not even 40% of india has touched the internet yet and that number is growing
I have basically never been able to discuss anime/manga for 30+ years because people who enjoy it usually 1. Have the worst shit taste possible2. Are losers Half the time, the people you're talking about were being pretentious about some utter trash like lucky star. You never interacted with truly condescending manga/anime consumers like me because we barely waste time on other people. This board for the past 20 years I've used this site has been so casual and little girl faggot shit worshipping as to make me puke. /a/ Brazilians and little girl faggot shit.
>>288604997I stole this from xitter but it applies to nu/a/ just as much
>>288604997I get you. Best you can get these days are people still holding onto their review blogs, and that's hardly much of a community. Or you join a very slow forum/board where posts stay up for months, and if you're lucky get a single thoughtful reply after a week (not bad experience-wise, but nowadays most people's brains are too fried on the high of refreshing once an hour and getting +50 replies per thread for that old style of conversation to keep them entertained for long).I remember finding a bunch of likeminded people on /a/ a few years back who wanted to have intelligent (pretentious) manga conversations in good fun, so we set up a private chat where we'd pick a couple manga a month and chat about them. I think we lasted a wopping two or three months before everyone ghosted.
Why would we post publicly what our new sekret club is? That's what got us into this state of affairs in the first place
>>288607185back in the day dubs used to be considered good, because they were usually official releases with better translations than fansubs. the total rejection of dubs didn't happen until the late 2000s, mostly as a reaction to 4Kids.
>>288604997I'm not reading the thread because it's just gen-z gen-a nowadays and they are the definition of casual tourists who jumped on to the anime bandwagon this decade. I have absolute contempt for a board who's knowledge and appreciation of anime dates back to 2020 and consider anything before 2010 unwatchable.
>>288615966I've been watching anime since 2000, and even back in the early 2000s, dubbed versions were already being rejected, true otaku preferred to watch subtitled anime. Dubbed versions were for kids and normalfags who treated anime like any other cartoon.
>>288617080>associated with kidsbecause of 4kids, like I said. in 1997 nobody looked at dubs and thought "this is for my little brother", mainly because the only shit that even got dubs was stuff like Evangelion and Devil Hunter Yohko.
>>288611412Discord
>>288605089FPBP
>>288604997I read a lot of real pre 1900s (peak) literature which made anime as a whole seem pretty shitty in terms of depth and writing. Pretty much making it so I watch anime for completely different reasons.However, I still like an anime with some level of depth as long as it offers other things as well. I really liked that death games anime from last season; good balance of everything without being too try hard with the depth.
>>288611412Blogs and forums, as always, only you don't visit them anymore.
>>288604997>Why did those type of fans die outBecause Japan's golden media era ended and anime became trash for normies and midwits and autists. The fuck are people shpposed to talk about when it's all shonenshit and isekai dreck and moe bait?
>>288619440>anime became trash for normies and midwits and autistsAs opposed to originally, when it was toy commercials for children and YA slop for teenagers...
>>288604997Short of it is the same thing that happened with video games and the internet as a whole: A hobby that was formerly exclusively the domain of nerds became mainstream and trendy, and because of that the average level of sophistication in the community dropped like a rock. I remember when saying you were into anime would get you weird looks, and now I can have a phenomenally surface-level conversation about seasonal trash with my normalfag co-workers.
>>288604997Anon, what you're missing is the pre-normie era of the internet where a majority of the anime nerds you would talk to online had autism.
>>288619583>A hobby that was formerly exclusively the domain of nerdsYou mean the cartoons for children and teenagers meant to reach mass audiences to sell toys and other merchandise?
>>288605089>They trooned out.It's literally the opposite, you retarded faggot. The straight, white male fans left. Now there's nothing but mentally ill faggots, trannies, gooners, autists and browns/slopes left.Anime itself has changed to the point where it's basically no longer the same medium, and the fanbase and the creators have changed with it. Everything now is made by losers, for losers, though it's been like that for a while.
because anime these days it's just goonerbait or shonenslopDBZ fans and gooners ruined anime
>>288604997It died down because ironic weebs and their anti-intellectualism started shutting down any discussion regarding deconstruction and deemed it “a meme.”They also started claiming you’re not a REAL fan of a genre if you don’t love simplistic kiddy slop that plays unrealistic wish-fulfillment tropes straight.
>>288621614>you’re not a REAL fan of a genre if you don’t love simplistic kiddy slopCorrect, anime and manga are childrens' media
>>288615953>new sekret clubThere isn't one
>>288621825>anime and manga are childrens' mediaOnly Kodomo anime like Toei toyetic franchises and Pokemon.
>>288621985The largest target demographic is called "shounen" for a reason lol
>>288605494that's because "anime fans" watch anime at 2x speed in the background nowadays
>In a call with friends>One friend posted a typical gif of Aisha Clan Clan>Talks about aliens looking like cat girls or something >Says EYESHA>Me "isn't it AISha?>He gets mad>I say well just how they say in the dub and sub>Goes on rant about every time he talks about Outlaw Star people till him to watch Bebop saying to him it's better >Tell him I kinda agree >Says I don't even like it>Tells him I LITERALLY own it>Tell him I wasn't a big fan of the storyline about the galactic leyline or the Mcdougalls and wished it had more episodic adventures >Act like I don't know the McDougall brothers name just to see how he corrects me saying like what their names are like Mcsomething McDougall?>He says McDoddle>Doesn't really talk more about the show and conversation fizzles out>Wonders if the guy actually watch the damn show the whole time but if I discussed it he likely go into some pissy rant or something >Wonder if he like those people he always complains about People just be posting cute girls and acting like they're fans all the time and if they watch it, they don't actually digest any of the media. I hate these wannabe retrofags who just say anything old is good and just post gifs or same pictures of some girl over and over again but then get mad when people say show is shit even though lot of OVAs are shit, I love retro anime but I hate the new culture around it.
>>288622386And now they don't even watch the anime at 2x speed anymore; they just watch 1-minute TikTok highlights
>>288604997They all went to /v/
When people say intellectual they mean Evangelion and Oshii and maybe a few other things. It's always been a really small thing.
>>288620849>by losers, for losers
>>288604997>that I kinda miss people overthinking lot of this stuff because at least it made talking about anime interesting.Because I'm now in my late 30's and no longer in my teens and I honestly just rationalized to only get as involved over a piece of fictional media as much as the author themselves. If the author is not as engaged as you are over the world they created, then its just a waste of time. Just take a look at Dragon Ball's story and Toriyama's indifference over it when he was alive compared to the rabid fanbase who try to make sense over it.
>>288609268Bingo. You don’t hate election tourists enough.
>>288605089>Elfen Lied>Thought provoking The overthinkers moved on but poser fags pretending to have a brain never left
>>288604997And have you tried creating threads that show what you're asking for?
>>288605255>>288605291Any seasonal isekai is on the same intellectual level as Elfen Lied.
>>288626247Yeah when Elfen Lied was new, everybody made fun of it and it was associated with emo kids. >>288621985Anyone can see the seasonal anime of the 80s, and notice large, large amounts of shows(maybe half or over) were kodomo. The ovas and the movies like Akira were a small minority. Not that they were ever as good as you thought.>>288623862Those people have always been tourists. Doesn't matter if they were around for the JAPANIMATION days either. If you haven't seen 50 full anime and you were around for 30 years, then no. You aren't a fan lol
>>288622067shonen encompasses teen boys too and not just literal children.
>>288627034Since when were you under the impression that teenagers aren't children?
>>288626591name ten
>>288607564Obviously the Nazis aren't allowed in normal American life. But you ever notice how American conservative Christians are bad at making media? Christian Rock. Kevin Sorbo type movies. Its all shit. And its shit because these people have nothing culturally or intellectually. Say all the shit about Jews you want. No evangelical will ever match Spielberg or Kubrick as a director. And in reality these people shouldn't be allowed to watch anime lol
/a/'s only ever had a really tiny minority of serious business threads. I concede to you that they're pretty much a thing of the past entirely at this point. But they were never common.What's gone is the shitposting fun /a/ used to have. So there's not fun allowed, hardly ever even any niche up their own ass threads, and you've got an imageboard reduced so far to the mean it may as well be reddit armed with its thread voting reductionist bullshit.
>>288605321>>288607564>>288627131How much of troons is just sperging out at your evangelical family? You were supposed to have grown out of this retarded shit in your teens. Like you fucking people were radicalized in the 2010s and youre like 30 years old raging about christian conservatives on an anime board. The real reason most nerd spaces went to shit is because you are supposed to make something of your fucking life and stop discussing anime for hours of your time. Consequentially the people that remained are in a state of perpetual adolescence and we see these kinds of retarded ass posts. Neonazis is not even a term leftists use anymore, thats like from 2009, grow the fuck up.
>>288628098I'm straight and wasn't raised christian. The world will be better off without evangelical lunacy. Dumbass tarrifs. Oil wars over a batshit prophecy. etc. And you still aren't naming Evangelical art pieces that aren't shit like Kevin Sorbo movies or Christian rock.
>>288604997The pretentious people weren't saying anything useful or interesting; you're just stupid enough to think their bloviating meant something. If you could actually engage in the material well enough to be as "intellectual" as you thought they were, you'd be dancing on those fuckers' graves.>>288619583Those weren't sophisticated conversations; they were the braying brainfarts of blithering idiots defending headcanon, fanon, and outright misinformation to the death.Unless you were in a super-niche cohort of subject matter experts, nerd discussion on the Internet was actually intelligent 1 time out of 100. The other 99 times it was as fucking stupid as things are now, only said with bigger words and the smug confidence of the know-nothing.
>>288628098>You were supposed to have grown out of this retarded shit in your teensThat's what neonazi losers who use slurs like troon were supposed to do, but here you all are terminally online raging about trans people as scapegoats for why you're all total failures who can't get a date or a job to save your lives.
>>288628532I think he's an Evangelical who doesn't actually belong in this hobby. The reality is, christians hate gay people because if they cannot repress a single digit percentile of the populous anymore, how are they going to impose their shitty theocracy on us?
>>288628607It just makes me think back to seeing The Colors Within last year which whimsically mashed up nuns and teen queerness struggle dramusical. If these tourists actually watched anime, I feel like they'd have strokes in the theater from seeing what it's really like.
>>288628673Oh, you don't even have to bring that up. Look at the Skip to Loafer thread up right now. It's clear there are 100+ posts and its mostly people who didn't watch the show and are still commenting lol
>>288604997Uuh no
