I came across a cute anime called Skip and Loafer where the protagonist's aunt is trans and I'd really love to know how people who aren't trans felt about her.It's not every day that we get proper representation, characters who aren't cis either end up being caricatures, objectified as sex objects, or low-effort. Nao from the show might not be voiced by a trans woman but she is voiced by a woman with a noticeably deep voice, she has wide shoulders, is tall, and has relatively masculine features, it's so refreshing to see a character that actually is trans and not DRAW WOMAN AND CALL IT A BOY. I'd love to know if anyone knows other good trans representation in anime/manga and I'm not talking about that one girl from JJK.>inb4 go to /lgbt/It's quite literally to get a non-LGBTQ+ perspective on the character that I'm asking here instead, it would completely defeat the entire purpose of the thread to post there.
So it was the characters uncle then.
Straight here, I liked Skip and Loafer and though this character was handled well. I don't remember much "LOL TRANNY!!" freaking out on this board when it aired, so I guess that means they did a good job overall.
>>288618946>It's not every dayLGBT representation and gender issues have been a staple of anime and manga since at least the 70s
>implying there are straight people (or something that can be considered "people") on /a/
>>288619049I don't really watch anime too often so I don't come on /a/ much, I wouldn't be able to tell, but from the way it looks online I get the impression you're right, I'm not seeing a sea of content by conservative grifters talking about like WOKE or whatever. It really feels like if only we had more representation like this there would be a lot less hate. Being trans isn't even her only trait but it plays an extremely big part of her development as a part that she couldn't escape. It's so nice to feel seen by cis authors.>>288619052Like I said, the vast majority of trans characters are either caricatures, sex objects, or low-effort. It's really not common to see a character that is done this well and sometimes some characters can feel like they can be read trans when they aren't but this one is explicitly trans and her story isn't kept secret.
>>288618946tl;dr?
>>288618946LGBT people have the same thing as rap where its not the act itself people hate as much as the culture around it. Most people here hate LGBT stuff because they have all had some man in a dress or woman with blue hair try to get fan service banned or hate on Japan
>>288619135I liked how (from what I remember of the anime) they didn't portray her life as super ideal. Like she still has to deal with people gossiping "is that a man?" on the trains. But to MC-chan, her aunt is just her aunt. I thought that was sweet.Stay safe LGBTanon!
>>288619143how do you feel about well-written visible trans characters as a (I assume) cis person?>>288619219thank you angel, you too! mwah
>>288618946>but she is voiced by a woman with a noticeably deep voice, she has wide shoulders, is tall, and has relatively masculine features,OP you can't fool me with this trash bait, you're trying to start shit, this is not a sincere lgbt post you're a poltard trolling
faggot
>>288619235what part about this is bait?>>288619245thanks for the bump sweetie
>>288618946I didn't really care, although I understand I'm not representative of the average 4channer.
>>288618946g8 b8 m8, 8/8
>>288619272Completely understandable opinion given trans people are only like 1% of the population and there are many other things to think about, I do prefer that over outright hatred.>>288619341>completely normal subject with completely normal discussion>engaging question asked earnestly>somehow it's bait
>>288619255what part is bait? all of it. You probably aren't even trans you're posting like an offensive stereotype to be inflammatory
>>288619255>good trans representation Good representation would depict a trans character being the victim of social contagion (as almost all trans people are), or for the effect of drama/horror forced into the state through some circumstances, and the resulting struggle for them to cope or find a way to reverse the damage done to them.
two options: it's bait, orOP's mind has been rotted by tranner discourse and is bitter about youngfem passoids
>>288619448fuck off 100% of the "damage done to trans people" is from bigoted assholes like you
Can you go be a faggot somewhere else please thank you
>>288619473>tranner discourseIt is funny, I once went to /lgbt/ and don't think I've ever seen a subculture or community as autistic with their terminology.
>>288619439I'm sorry it comes across that way but I am trans and what stereotypes am I posting? Isn't Nao a perfectly fine pretty twinkhon?>>288619473wait, why would I be bitter? I might not be a passoid but I kind of semi-pass and have a wonderful relationship with all the women I meet, what about this sounds bitter?>>288619510I'm bi
>>288619552It takes all of two seconds to figure out why a community full of nerdy, white, formerly male people into programming and wargaming and anime would be that way
>>288618946Japan has a long history of okama and onnagata characters. I wonder if the Japanese audience sees Nao as a trans woman rather than a gay who crossdresses.Togata from Fire Punch and Gen from Boy's Abyss are a pretty good takes on gender dysphoria
>>288618946>protagonist's auntuncle
>>288619731I'm not that big into wargaming, programming, nor anime. Like I said I actually don't watch anime too often and came here after seeing this.>>288619871>I wonder if the Japanese audience sees Nao as a trans woman rather than a gay who crossdresses.100%the character is openly trans, not some femboy or pretty boy or whatever other silly conceptI know Japan has a history with crossdressers but Nao is specifically trans and openly, I was so glad to see her character be represented as a genuine trans woman and not something else.She's not treated like a man, some sex object, or someone whose entire personality revolves around being trans and is relatable, a lot of the queer characters that I have seen in anime feel like caricatures from cis perspectives or characters that are just drawn as cis women with cis voice actors.>Togata from Fire Punch and Gen from Boy's Abyss are a pretty good takes on gender dysphoriaty I will look them up <3
>>288618946>it's so refreshing to see a character that actually is trans and not DRAW WOMAN AND CALL IT A BOY.Making trans characters non-passing hons is actually considered transphobic.
>>288620114Anything that depicts them realistically is considered transphobic.
I like the character
>>288620114Nao is not honnish in any way, I MUCH prefer having representation where the trans woman has cute clocky features like wide shoulders.>>288620547nice to hear, lovely
>>288618946>LGBTstopped right there. Gay characters, crossdressers and whatervers else have been in anime way before you were a bland idea in the sad balls of your father, so it has nothing to do with that retarded trash parade started by americans. That being said, this thread is not /a/ and mods should move their ass for this shit like this instead of sniping every single trap thread they see
>>288618946I liked the manga and I liked the character. I don't care about trans representation but a good character is a good character.
>>288618946are you sure that the character is affirmatively identifiable as transgender and not just the incredibly common archetype of a Japanese man who wears women's clothes because it makes him feel pretty? Google tried to give me the "oh but he really wishes he was a girl" shtick, like every otokonoko doesn't, then said my counter-example doesn't count because he's a badass who roundhouse kicks people in high heels
>>288620639>dipshit perverted neckbeard starts talking about sexualized caricatures of trans peopleI'm not talking about crossdressers, I'm talking about trans women, I'm not talking about "DRAW WOMAN AND CALL IT A BOY" quite literally like I stated. Getting characters that actually live as normal trans women without being sexual objects for the male gaze like the picture you posted is rare.>this thread is not /a/ and mods should move their ass for this shit like this instead of sniping every single trap thread they seeThis thread is very /a/-related, it's about a character in an anime/manga and the discussion surrounding her, just because you're a snowflake doesn't make it /a/-related.>>288620939She's trans and even the author talks about her that way. I know exactly what you're talking about but the author made her trans and not some crossdresser. It's why I really loved seeing her in the show, it's such a breath of fresh air to be properly represented.
I liked her, the show wasn't preachy about it or anything and showed that she just wants to live her life like anyone else and she's a good auntie to Mitsumi, 10/10.
>>288621131this is what I love to hear and I feel like there would be a lot less transphobia if cis people wrote trans characters this way
Skip and Loafer was good and Nao-chan was pretty cool, but this isn't a conversation worth a thread. Basically this >>288620713
>>288621187I feel like it's a thread worth having, the conversation is fruitful and interesting, I like reading what average fans of anime who aren't trans think about well-written characters like Nao and it's sad that we don't get many.
>>288618946>Aunt He's an uncle with a crossdressing fetish
>>288621232>talking about one of the most marginalized and underrepresented demographics is le corpoanon, I...
>>288618946Its mostly a thing with women writers, innit. Skip and Loafer is still in my backlog, but last season Ikoku Nikki (top tier anime) had a non-binary/trans person that honestly I couldn't tell what the gender was. They were an alright character. I think they were a bit too useful at solving a few problems in the story. But the representation wasn't offensive. Its a story about writers and if you're going to see an LGBT person anywhere, thats the crowd.
>>288621288Lmao, no one believes that here so you can save it for Reddit. Your entire demographic is purely the result of psyops.
>>288621300>Its mostly a thing with women writers, innit.Cisf authors are always the best for this kind of thing, unless it's coming from a trans woman.Very interesting character and tysm for sharing them.>Its a story about writers and if you're going to see an LGBT person anywhere, thats the crowd.I've been clocked>>288621328how about you touch grass?
>>288621363>/pol/slopyou have to go back...
>>288621328It does make me wonder which groups are funding faggot OP. Disney, Crunchy roll and Shitflix are obvious but I wonder if there are other groups too.
They're called okama and the archetype is way older than modern trans sensibilities. I assure you the author didn't have western trans people in mind when writing the manga and the character. But whatever, this thread will degenerate into shitposting before the day is over. Enjoy it while you can I guess.
>>288618946>and I'd really love to know how people who aren't trans felt about her.Asking the wrong place>It's not every day that we get proper representationThere are plenty in shoujo and josei for literal decades. My answer is I'm indifferent. This was normalized back when I was in Junior High and characters from practically every gender spectrum popped up from okama, otokono, gender swap, new-halfs, etc. A chunk of them in BL.
>>288621407You think this faggot OP will listen? it is being payed to make shitty bait threads like this.
>>288621358>Cisf authors are always the best for this kind of thingRanma is fetishized trans content for the male gaze personified and that was written by a cis woman.
>>288621288did you miss the Return of the Cheeto partially owing to how frustrated people were of being told they should be accepting of the most marginalized and underrepresented demographic and let them punch their daughter in the face in the high school boxing tournament?
>>288621407I don't know about that, the author specifically talks about it the way we do and not in terms of crossdressers or effeminate men. She's just a normal trans woman, I get that okama is an old term but Nao is really just a normal trans woman of the modern age.>>288621414Why is this the wrong place? I wanted to ask people who watch anime outside of LGBTQ+ circles what they feel about a character who is a great representation for my demographic.>There are plenty in shoujo and josei for literal decades.Many (many many many) of those characters aren't actual good representation like I talked about, often they are sex objects, caricatures, or not even trans, and like real trans not anime trans.
>schizo in yaoi shota thread calling it a transphobic “micro aggression” to gender prepubescent childrenThis you OP?>>288602399
>>288621407but this character specifically is very much modern trans rather than okama
>corpo faggot acting innocent that it has to ask daddy /a/ when it called someone a /pol/ fag moments earlierGeez how obvious can you get hahah!!Reminder. It is False Advertisement when Netflix, Disney and Crunchy roll label their western cartoons and western comics as anime and manga.
>>288621515I’m going to vouch for OP because I see her on /lgbt/chasergen all the time.
>>288621433that's fair maybe not all cisf authors but almost always any good trans character comes from them>>288621515this is literally the first thread on /a/ I ever enter/post inalso I'm only into bears, it's disgusting to be into little boys, plus for me it wouldn't be yaoi it'd just be straight>>288621526this is what I keep trying to say, Nao is written just as a normal casual trans woman, no misgendering, no crossdressing, no silly IT'S A TRAP! type humour or whatever, it's the reason why I made the thread I actually for once feel properly represented by a character.
on the note of pride representation, there wouldn't happen to be any reps for us asexuals in anime you guys know, would there?
>>288621489>Why is this the wrong place?You're asking a site that generally hates gendershit or fetishizes it. >Many (many many many) of those characters aren't actual good representationHow can you say this when before you said>>288619135>I don't really watch anime too often soSo you can't say you know what you're talking about when some of us here have been watching and reading this shit since the 80s and 90s. There is no point in continuing since you clearly are not getting the answers you want nor are you listening to the few people in the thread that are giving the same answer: Shit isn't new.
>>288621591I don't watch much because the representation sucks when it is there, it's always either crossdressers or characters who don't even look/sound like trans people
>>288621612Then fuck off and go watch/read more that isn't mainstream overhyped shounenshit.
>>288621651Can you give recs with characters that are good like Nao? Sort of like how I asked.
Really the jannies here are unreal. Some faggot posts an outright troll/rec thread, relentlessly bumps and samefags, no fucking reaction. Go somewhere like a fucking LotGH, shit gets shut down within 5 minutes with multiple anons somehow banned for posting about "politics" outside of /pol/.
>>288621406Yeah, probably Crunchyroll, but also investment firms based in China which are led by members of the tribe. China also has something to gain from weakening the social fabric of its buyers, to ensure that they will not be able to produce anything themselves.
>>288621775This is a thread about anime and a character in an anime, why would jannies delete this when it's a perfectly good thread about related subjects? The only trolls ITT are the people misgendering her which is off-topic, how is this political too??? idek if I brought up politics outside of asking if there's better representation for marginalized groups.
>>288621775you know that if you don't want to engage with the topic you don't have to post in the thread, right? you can just ignore it
>>288621775I am just thankful that /a/ knows that only Japan can make true anime and manga, that tourist faggots like OP and his corpo buddies cannot bumrush label their shitty propaganda cartoons and comics as anime and manga without being called out for the posers that they are.I am also thankful that /a/ dont spoonfeed animals like them, letting then do their own work - something these faker tourists wont do since they are posers and fake fans to begin with.
>>288621775go picket the tomboy general for taking the political position that non-conforming females should only express themselves from the confines of their birth gender
>>288621857What does this corpo-slang even mean!?"Tomboy", sure age-old English expression, the rest? No idea.
I'd like to expand the conversation not only to talk about characters who are explicitly trans but characters that can be read as being trans or that are very relatable to trans people.One of these is Lain, she's fairly andro, she's socially awkward, and spends a lot of time indoors just like many trans women do. So much about her just screams that she listens to Femtanyl.>>288621903You keep saying corpo, what exactly is this jargon for? Do you mean like soulless corporate environments or like astroturfed media?
>>288621903what even is a "corpo" in your imagination? the people who tell you that you should be fluent in English before using an English-language imageboard?
>>288621847I am just thankful that /a/ knows that only Japan can make true anime and manga, that tourist faggots like OP and his corpo buddies cannot bumrush label their shitty propaganda cartoons and comics as anime and manga without being called out for the posers that they are.>REEEEEE JAPAN CAN NEVER BE WOKE!What do you call Tomino and Watanabe and anime like in the OP then?
>>288621967who the h*ck is bringing WOKE into this???we're just talking about trans representation done right in anime???how about you keep this energy for /pol/?
>>288621951>>288621929You didn't answer you just started arguing.
>>288622080I'm confused are you the guy who keeps saying corpo like some kind of boogeyman or are you the other person also asking why he keeps saying corpo?actually why are we even talking about that, did you give your opinion on the way Nao was represented in the manga/anime?
>>288621929it was fine when you were addressing a confirmed transexual character within the context of their series, but inserting your ideology into places where it wasn't intended and doesn't belong is specifically how you lost the moderates on this issue, and you just had to bring up the most stereotypical tranny self-insert Lain
>>288622117What does>go picket the tomboy general for taking the political position that non-conforming females should only express themselves from the confines of their birth gendermean? Taking "political position"? What is this a board meeting discussing a brand?
>>288622138what are you talking about, ideology?>>288622140I'm not the person who posted that, are you a schizo?
>>288621716If you want recs go to /r/. That's the whole point of the damn board.
>>288621558>this is literally the first thread on /a/ I ever enter/post inwell that should serve you as a good example as to what to expect if you try to post about a topic like lgbt here. I'm not saying every anon here is homophobic, but there's a reason why most anon still use the suffixe -fag when talking about other fandoms.
>>288622140>>288622229do they just not teach civics any more? I already know they don't, that's why support for socialism among the youth is on the rise
>>288622410a lot of boards are fairly good when it comes to not being transphobic, /lit/, /fa/, his/ are generally fine, so I guess I expected the anime board, the one place where so many men who use women in their pfps, to be a good placeI'm also just asking around in circles that aren't purely LGBTQ+, I really want perspectives about a great trans character from cis people>>288622424look I have no idea what you're even rambling about, this is just a thread about trans representation in anime without it having to be some kind of cis crossdresser or a fetish, I'm interested in reading what people have to say about that and if you have nothing to say you don't have to bump the thread by talking about corpo or communism or whatever
>>288618946unless you use the proper term transvestite there is nothing positive coming from your direction
>>288622518trans representation is an ideology you idiot
>>288622543transvestite is not a term that describes trans women>>288622544there's nothing ideological about having characters of any demographic, especially if that character isn't a caricature or stereotype of their demographicI understand to some people it's triggering to see marginalized demographics represented in media but I really don't want to derail the thread
>tranny tripfag threadThe absolute state of /a/>>288621011>neckbeard>male gazeYou seriously need to hang yourself
>>288622712chicen toy
>>288622712No way, the activist does have a tripname, I didn't even notice.
It smells like samefag in here and not op. One series I generally recommend is family compo by the city hunter author obvious this is very old it was written in the 90s but the family parents are a ftm and mtf in a (loving) relationship. Obviously it's aged but it treats everyone with respect for the most part
>>288622785I'm not an activist...>>288622799>family compogonna look that uplooking forward to see st4t lol sounds cuteare you a cisgendered person? if so can I please get your opinion on the current state of trans representation in anime?
>>288622799I started reading Family Compo and it's brilliant I love itgenuinely glad to actually get help from genuine manga fans, I can smell how this is gonna turn out and it was a great recommendation anon, mwah!
>>288622872As a pro tip double posting isn't looked good upon here. However a lot of anons are right that it's more socially acceptable to crossdress (be okama) than it is to be trans. You need to have been surgically sterilized in some type of bottom surgery, have never been previously married nor have children to legally change your gender in Japan. This leaves a lot of people on the wayside. This might have changed from the last time that I checked. I'm not cis but I have lived in Japan as a student &worked there. You'll find more things like fetish work: dick girls, futa, cunt boys than actual trans representation. Kowloon romance has an intersex character in a relationship if you want to read that as well
>>288623325I only know about some of the stigma in Japan, I dated a Japanese girl for a little bit who told me a lot. It's why I really do like that Nao from Skip and Loafer is genuinely just a trans woman and not some other thing, from what I gather it's usually cis Japanese women who are far more progressive than the men there which would make sense for her to be depicted in such a respectful way that isn't a fetish or whatever.
Geez. What a miserable thread.Watch as OP samefags and bump his bait thread - and the jannies will delete posts against OP and will do nothing.
>>288623610what post was deleted?
>>288618946I skipped the show, now I know why
>>288623803so tuff
>>288621857What's wrong with the tomboy general?
>>2886237545 mins in Sai
The triptranny is just one letter away from having the word "hon" in its name. I wonder if that was a subconscious self-own.
>>288624305>replying to nobodyI didn't realize there was an active argument happening ITT or how you managed to lose it but here we are
>>288624340Speaking of imaginary arguments, who are you quoting?
>>288624305I am a hon
>>288625044this
>>288619448That's just trans angst and melodrama. You can find a million of those in indie webcomics and award bait
>>288619871I want to agree with you on gen since he's given complexities like everyone else in the series but it only ever comes up once and the narrative never explores it meaningfully after the closet scene. Hell when he talks about being jealous of open crossdressers he says it in passing. We never actually see him seeking it out or wrestling with it
>>288625044awwwe, that triggered by a thread?
>>288621407No in this case. Nao IS trans. Found the tourist and culture warrior who didn't even read or watch the series.
>>288620114If you do it the way a lot of people do it, which is trans women in ill fitted clothing who for some reason always have a five o clock shadow and act like a 2000s gay stereotype, it's going to be seen as bigoted. Trans men don't even get that much
>>288625964Ottoman = J.P Morgan
>>288626041ok but how is that related to anime?
>>288618983fpbp
>>288627190in reality it wasn't even 41%, that was suicide ideation and not actual suicides
>>288627190Living on a prayer
>>288618946>tripfag>tranny>asking about tranny representation on /a/ of all placesYou're either from /pol/, left/pol/ or /r/eddit. Go back.
>>28862757541% represents suicide attempts actually. Suicide ideation rates are over 80%.
>>288627960please read out the original post I wrote
>>288628455tuff
>>288618946That show was such a shit, I don't even remember aunt and other side characters.
>>288628455No, thanks.
>>288618983Fpbp
i'm so retarded that I didn't realize that nao was trans until the zoo chapter. during the train scene i was just like, "why is this scene framed like nao is looming over mitsumi? this is just a normal conversation"
>>288628622you do have to realize, it was targeted at young girls
>>288618983/thread
>>288628695it ran in a seinen series actually
>>288618946Skip and Loafter was so boring, I dunno why people liked it.
>>288618946I enjoyed what I read of it and enjoyed this character. I'm glad you enjoyed her too and I don't mind you started a thread, but I feel ultimately, no one here has much to add to the topic. Anyone who says this is a typical okama and has nothing to do with trans people hasn't read the manga. But yeah, it is fine. Very milquetoast obviously, but the whole manga is no-stakes SOL stuff so it works well.
>>288628975It was obvious in the anime too lol
>>288619135>It really feels like if only we had more representation like this there would be a lot less hate.This isn't the case when talking about fictional representation. It is not fiction that influences people's perception of reality, rather it is people's perception of reality that influences the way they intepret fiction.You related to the character and felt positive emotions because your perception of reality and real-life experiences. For example,>It's so nice to feel seen by cis authors.Senses like that won't be felt by those who don't already have the same perception of reality as you. To everyone else, it's just another character that they can interpret however they want because fiction lacks a measurable, analog reality that confronts the audience.Anyway, you seem far too aligned with those who want to restrict fictional expressions to real-life ethics and standards. Perhaps what you wrote was just escapism in search of easy solutions.Regardless, to everyone, please leave fiction alone. If anyone wants trans representation, argue for real-life voice actors, animators, writers, and the like. That is representation that actually provides a nonfictional reality that must be confronted by the anti-trans. Furthermore, it doesn't restrict the expressions of fiction.
>I'm not talking about "DRAW WOMAN AND CALL IT A BOY" quite literally like I stated. Getting characters that actually live as normal trans women without being sexual objects for the male gaze like the picture you posted is rare.Honestly, anime is not for you. You are far too obsessed with realism.Furthermore, your use of radfem terms like "male gaze" (fun fact: the male gaze is a misnomer; it isn't exclusionary against women) suggests anti-fan distortions. Lastly, "objectified as sex objects" when talking about fictional characters (objects) demonstrates your alignment with anti-fiction activists.
>>288628695I watch a lot of shows for youg girls, usually they way better.
>>288629088>leave fiction alonea lot of nerdy white kids get shit from other children for being asocial and mal adjusted, this creates a gigantic persecution complex. You can see it all over this site, honestly, all over any social media. anything not fitting into an already established world view is met with discomfort and or anger, you can see it all over this thread. nobody actually wants to take away your fucking cartoons man, people want to see themselves in the things they love. this isn’t something trans or black people only desire, everyone wants to see an aspect or part of themselves in the art we consume, that’s how we use our monkey brains to connect not only to art but other people. a practice known simply as empathy. I hope whichever stupid teenager reading this (I know you stupid kids look at this terrible site all the time, I sure did) can realize that people who control the world through capital just want everyone to hate each other and squabble over petty bullshit
>>288618946Talk to me when Kazuya loses his virginity to one of the Rent-A-Bitch girls without that shit being his dream or him masturbating.THEN AND ONLY THEN can we have a honest discussion about characters who succeed in gender-transitioning.
>>288629376I'm not against representation. I expressed my support for real-life representation.What I'm in opposition to is the belief that fiction can serve as propaganda for real-life tolerance. This belief has continued to be used to restrict fictional expression. Inherently, fiction censorship emerges because activists restrict fiction to real-life ethics and standards.Lastly, quoting (you),>people who control the world through capital just want everyone to hate each other and squabble over petty bullshitClass reductionism is anti-intellectual and anti-pragmatic. MLs or economic populists are always incapable of accepting that people actually do care about social and cultural stuff, and that it's valid to care about this stuff.
>>288629376>people want to see themselves in the things they loveThis is patently untrue, or the majority of animanga would feature ugly bastard MC's. Look at most any shonenfag, they look at their MC's as aspirational and relatable not because of how they look but purely because of their character and actions they take. Why can't you fucking tranny apologists and useful idiots to the very same evil capital you decry understand that?
>>288629942I'm nta but i do believe that fiction does actually help people tolerate minorities of any type. You would know this if you ever dissected any book. When interacting with any media you become sympathetic to the characters or 'grey' characters would not exist. I think it's fine to acknowledge you have a bias here even if you pretend otherwise.
>>288629956>This is patently untruetell that to faggot threads and their endless bitching of 'no homo in muh manga"
>>288629956Funnily enough, OP proved that people will also find representation wherever they want.>sometimes some characters can feel like they can be read trans when they aren't
>>288618946>it's so refreshing to see a character that actually is trans and not DRAW WOMAN AND CALL IT A BOYI think it's that DRAW WOMAN AND CALL IT A BOY doesn't have negative associations or westoid political baggage? Yaoi, yuri, and futa aren't so closely attached in the audience's mind to a loud, sanctimonious 3DPD faction like trans men are. They, too, could be victims of well poisoning though. I saw my first yuri around 30 years ago when LGBT referred to the cadillac brand of 1:22 model trains, but younger enjoyers tend to focus on the agenda hijacking it.>a non-LGBTQ+ perspective on the characterSome of us, I expect, came here because the west has fallen. So yeah, alarm bells.
>>288629974No. You project your ideas and values onto the characters you like. This lacks the confrontation with reality that can actually chage minds. Nobody will ever interpret fiction to be contrary to what they perceive in real life.If I believe gender dysphoria isn't real, a fictional book cannot convince me otherwise. I will project whatever real-life perception I have onto the books' fictional characters to align with my real-life perceptions. I'm fairly certain, that is how people operate. If I hate minorities for nonfictional reasons, I will hate them. If I've had bad experiences, the only thing that would convince me otherwise is real people with minority status, including actors, streamers, or creators whom I like.If fiction had the kind of power you suggest, Donald Trump wouldn't have won his second term given that the radfems and progressives mostly succeeded at demolishing the pre-2016 era's unrestricted fictional expression. Yet, here we are in 2026, and he has a second term because progressives ignored nonfictional podcasts.Lastly, I've heard that it's been proven that reading fiction is correlated with greater sympathetic. However, if that is indeed causative, I believe there should be an analysis of the relationship between the author and the reader, rather than the relationship between the author and a fictional character whom they can project whatever values and ideals they want onto.
have people in this thread forgotten what a normal OP looks like?
>>288631124nah
>>288618946there's only two types of posters on /a/, trannies, and closeted trannies that sublimated their gender envy into being an angry bigot
>>288631630I mean, I'm not trans and support trans people as best I can (do fuck all).
>>288618946What the hell is "representation"?You don't exist in fiction.People represent characters in plays and movies, not the other way around.Only way a real life person is being represented is in the case of a biographical work.
>>288631630so real>>288631367not really, the reason why I came here to ask is because I am looking for the perspective of non-LGBTQ+ people on the subject of trans characters
>>288630063>west has fallenlol, lmao even>>288629531source?>>288628975Nao being compared to okamas is what annoys me because many younger women in Japan are just plainly progressive and not looking at trans people through a fetishistic lens but simply as humans, as normal people, and the author was specific about this.
Nice off topic thread, good job moods
>>288627960This is just another off topic thread, dont bother.
>>288634785Admittedly, not all use of the term okama was fetishistic. It has a lot of baggage, but it is a very broad term. It just isn't really applicable to Nao outside of the general use of it as an equivalent to the modern day use of queer.
>>288634916That's true but in my opinion whenever I come across a term like that or any other it feels fetishistic or derogatory, same goes with "femboys" and crossdressers, has such sissy vibes, such 'it's just a man' vibes instead of being affirmingit's why I tend to reject "LGBTQ+ themes were in anime for a long time!!1!" when really it was misgendering, fetishism, etc
>>288635383why are people so triggered by a thread? It's literally just a thread about proper trans representation in anime with an actual example of good representation and examples of bad representation. This is just a normal thread about anime calm down.
>>288635449The /pol/ culture warriors who think anime is trad christian and based etc always shit everything up
>>288635844genuinely curious but what does anime mean to you? what kind of anime do you like to watch? do you ever self-insert as a specific character when watching a show?
>>288635314Have you ever read Princess Jellyfish? It features a character that may appeal to you (though it is somewhat old-fashioned and focused primarily on crossdressing).
>>288635931Do you get off on negative attention? Honest question.
>>288621580The guy from YagaKimi. Maki I think.
>>288621580Saiki Kusuo is basically there. He has his reasons and you could argue he's just not there yet, but yeah.
>>288618946>characters who aren't cis either end up being caricatures, objectified as sex objects, or low-effortEnter Mr. 2, "Bentam of the Wild", Bon Clay
Mental illness bait.
>>288636024I haven't read it but it's actually specifically the first manga the Japanese cis girl I used to date used to talk about, her mother was also a fan of it and she told me about how many women in Japan love that type of content but how it's still at the end of the day a crossdresser. I just much prefer Nao from Skip and Loafer, she's just a more honest representation of trans women.
>>288636807How's family compo going?
>>288636858I like it but I do have to say it is a liiiiittle dated plus it's just so obvious it's written for teenage bys who go HUMMENA HUMMENA AWOOOOGA at like all the women but I really do love the inclusion of the protag's trans aunt as like an object of desire and the way she's obviously drawn to be like super sexy I could imagine snotty teenage boys reading that like I WISH I HAD A TRANS BADDIE AUNT with their little helicopter hats wishing they'd stumble on her in the shower with her knockers lmfao
>>288618946Because of this faggot, the Yama no Susume thread died.Sage for your bait.
>>288618946I read lots of gay shit so I don't know if my opinion counts, but kinda same feelings as what you said, it was kinda interesting to see a more grounded depiction of trans character. Her backstory hasn't been explained much.As for other manga, I'll say Hourou Musuko probably fits. It's more or less about how people have a wide variety of different feelings about the whole (trans)gender thing.
>>288637770>Hourou Musukolooking it up right meowI'm assuming you're a cis gay?
>>288637419I mean you have to realize it was written in the mid to late 90s.
>>288637972yeah I know, I understand that, but it's just so silly to me I guess I prefer snotty teenage boys sexualizing us rather than them hating us
>>288637688>Yama no Susumegrown man btw
Quite interesting that Mods are in this thread, actively deleting posts calling out OP for his off-topic faggotry. But then again, its not surprising seeing in the archives the post that are deleted, most of which actively pointing out that this is a corpo supported thread. Now watch as the faggot OP will bump its off-topic thread.
mod thread
>>288639155it's literally not off-topic, though...
>>288639127>>288639155There are like a million worse threads on /a/ right now, OP is being fag for tripfagging, but I don't see how this is off-topic thread.
I'd like to veer back the thread to remain on topic to bring up Kyomoto and Fujino from Look Back, both characters are cis but they can easily be read as queer and also often end up being self-inserts for queer people. I find it funny that at the end of the day it's cis characters that trans people most often use as avatars and not actual trans characters.
>>288639876Well, there's only so many trans characters in Japanese media.
>>288640120That's true anywhere, honestly, and to be fair I do usually find cis characters to relate to, especially since I'm very heteronormative irl.
>>288618946she's cool. Its funny that her bf is just some doughy dude
