The yuri genre now has>lots of cute girls>lots of fanservice>lots of flirting moments>lots of romantic scenes>lots of kisses and sexSo why don't you like the genre if you don't hate dykes?
>>288646572Yuri isn't a genreAnd I'm not a lesbian (or a woman for that matter), so it has no appeal to me. I'm not the target audience for it.
>>288646653The target audience is anyone who can enjoy romance between two people without imagining themselves as one of them.
How about having good characters and story?Because both of those series have neither.
>>288646735What's wrong with the characters? The story for both is specifically the romance between those characters.
>>288646653Most yuri is aimed at lonely male losers
>>288646918What exactly makes yuri for loser males as opposed to just any guy and maybe the small amount of girls who might be otherwise interested?
>>288646572>romantic scenesTop two pics unrelated. That's just shallow sexual fetish pandering.Probably unrelated for the bottom two as well given that the author probably has drawn them getting dicked by men as well.
>>288647071>the author probably has drawn them getting dicked by men as wellHeadcanon and not even what happened
>>288646962The girls. There is virtually no difference between yuri and your pure waifus from your average romcom in terms of character design, personality and the type of merchandise they getModern yurifags are basically a subset of waifufags who grew tired of male MCs
>>288646572Because I hate dykes
>>288646684I'm heterosexual, so a romance between two people or the same sex does nothing for me.
>>288647205The point of the male MC is that he's your. You're supposed to self insert as him, that's why he's so bland and generic.
I do like yuri. Now they just need to stop being fucking cowards and adapt Kimitsuzu.
>>288647165Do you understand what the word probably means?
>>288647205Most yuri have cuter designs compared to the more ultra sexy designs of romcom girls.But aside from the design/personality, how the girls act in the stories are very different. In yuri, the girls are usually dating by the 3rd volume and the story continues to focus on their relationship past that. Plus multiple different couples/pairings can exist in most yuri. It's not really comparable.
>>288647337>In yuri, the girls are usually dating by the 3rd volume and the story continues to focus on their relationship past thatAnd that's also where the story loses steam, goes to shit, and gets cancelled.
>>288647317It is head canon when you think the author liking every piece of non-AI fanart of his work on pixiv (which he stopped doing anyway) means he has personally drawn heterosexual stuff of them
>>288647360The most popular yuri ones right now all focus on post confession stuff and they're definitely not close to being axed.
>>288646653yuri isn't for faggots who think of boys when they see two girls together
>>288647364Okay, so you are retarded and don't understand what the probably means. Also clearly don't understand what head canon means. >which he stopped doing anywayThe fact he did it in the first place is all you need to know.
>>288647337lol, Ajisai, a girl you have in the OP, is literally a haremette taken out of your generic het romcom shit
>>288647337No, the girls in yurislop act exactly the same as the girls on het romcoms. Yurislop isn't doing anything different
>>288647396Do most haremettes love someone else other than the MC?
>>288647506Yes, many of them in fact
>>288647396That's why men love her so much.
>>288647496After how many volumes does the first kiss happen in most straight romcoms? How often does the series continue for many volumes even after the first kiss>>288647525How many can you name? Because they would be easily less than 5% of the genre.
>>288647506There's that whole trash harem series right now about losing heroines that have loved and do love other guys other than the MC.
>>288647567>they would be easily less than 5% of the genre
>>288647543>Because they would be easily less than 5% of the genre.It would still be more than whatever you can name for yuri
>>288646572Same sex relationships are just too sterile, sorry. If that means I hate dykes to you then fine.>>288646684Are you sure there aren't a lot of people who only enjoy yuri because they need to self-insert?
Gay relationships in fiction fall into one of two extremesA. They're extremely rushed and half-assedB. They're too perfect to be interesting or drive a story.
>>288647578Literally who are you quoting? Also, having 1 semi-unique trait among 99 other very common traits doesn't make a unique character over all. Not that Ajisai even has 100 characters traits. 3 would be generous.
>>288647579The yuri anime this season has a girl who was in love with the MC who is slowly falling for another girl after her first crush failed to materialize.>>288647582If that was the case, wouldn't you expect more yuri POV art? More yuri ASMRs? Those kinds of things are still relatively rare. Even looking at yuri threads here, you rarely see self-inserting posts like you would see in a harem/romcom thread.
>>288647652Yet you won't deny that they exist.
>>288647613Read more
>>288647629Literally my post above yours. It's still relatively rare.But even if I grant that yuri heroines act the same as straight ones, the problem with modern seinen/shounen romance isn't the character traits of the girls. They're bad because they take 100+ chapters for anything romantic to happen and end soon afterwards, not even showcasing what the actual romance looks like.
>>288647543>After how many volumes does the first kiss happen in most straight romcoms? How often does the series continue for many volumes even after the first kissEvery single season, there's at least one romcom or straight romance that features a kiss, you just don't watch them at all. Meanwhile, you would be lucky to get a single confirmed yuri relationship, let alone any physical intimacy. When was the last yuri kiss in anime? How strange that every season the opposite of what you say is what happens
>>288647691Because some obviously exist, just like there are gay men who watch romcoms because they find the male MC cute. Does that mean they represent the majority of the audience?
>>288647703Shallow sexual fetish pandering like in Watanare is not romantic. You quite literally just want to see something sexual on screen and that's all you care about.
>>288647717They are still part of the target audience.
What Yuri anime should I watch? The only one I watched was I'm in Love with the Villainess and I liked it
>>288647716>posts an accidental kiss to prove his point>when was the last yuri kiss in anime? There have been several this season, along with the implied one in Botan. There's going to be a yuri kiss next season too in Kimishinu.>>288647767The gay men who watch romcoms are part of the target audience too then.
>>288647803if Ayamo truly does air this summer, it should be a good watch. I'd just read it now though.
>>288647803Watch the classics. Kannazuki no Miko and Strawberry Panic. They're basically shoujo with lesbians
>>288647822>There have been several this seasonThere have? Got a list. Just curious.
>>288646684You're really overthinking this to make it appear more neutral than it really is. What is the yuri genre? Girls kissing girls. So obviously the target audience is people who want to see girls kissing girls, anything else is accessory.
Why are there so many womanbrained protagonists in yuri?
>>288646572The last title that fit your description is Watanare. Kamiina Botan's author can't conceive sex without a cock and there are no kisses in the manga so far
>>288647868You have all the kisses/sex in Needy Girl Overdose. Plus there are also two harems this season that have had yuri kisses.
>>288647928We love women
>>288647928Most yuri is written by women. Even smutty titles are written by women and have a very joseish feel
>>288647822>it's accidental so it doesn't countStill better than implied bullshit by cowardly authors. Funny how the only yuri kisses from this season happened in otherwise straight shows for male otaku, proving that yurifags are part of the same audience anyway
>>288647937>Needy Girl OverdoseThat's yuri? I thought it had a male MC?>Plus there are also two harems this season that have had yuri kisses.I don't watch harem shit, going to have to be more specific. Though more often than not the "lesbians" in harem shit end up wanting to fuck the MC by the end.
>>288647951Authors have to be cowardly because non-yurifags unfortunately, not because of what the yuri audience wants.>proving that yurifags are part of the same audience anywayWhose been questioning that? Most yuri manga are published alongside seinen/shounen romance, so it's obvious they have an overlap of audience. Which makes the common (but not universal) structural differences all the more glaring.
>>288646572>still mogged by the BL airing this seasonA tale as old as time
in an interview the producer of cross ange said something like that the show wasn't a yuri anime it was an anime with lesbians. I didn't understand the distinction but now I think I get it. as a straight man I like seeing girls get down with other girls, but I don't give a shit about their romance or if they're actually bisexual. yuri anime isn't made for people like me who just want to see naked women rubbing against each other. it's made for actual women (and mentally ill males) with androphobia who want to watch typical femoid anime but with lesbians.
>>288648023Homosexuality is Japanese traditionLesbianism is western degeneracy
>>288648019Non-yurifags are fine with their girls having physical intimacy with their respective love interest.Yuri has always been founded on implications, subtext, symbolism and all that shit. Just look at how Cosmic Princess Kaguya got so popular among yurifags despite being a friendship story with zero intimacy
>>288647337isn't the whole appeal of Watanare is that it's a harem romcom but yuri
>>288648098Yurifags want those series to have kisses, it's the non-yurifags who read them who are against confirming the yuri romance (see the blacklash to Akebi).>non-yurifags are fine with their girls having physical intimacy with their respective love interestRight, which is why most harem/romances have no such physical intimacy until the very end, exceptions not withstanding>>288648118It's the execution not the premise. The difference is that the MC of Watanare actually does date multiple girls and do romantic/sexual things with them.
>>288648034>who want to watch typical femoid anime but with lesbians.I don't understand this criticism when the average yuri is nothing like shoujo and more akin to a CGDCT with romance. In Watanare, you had several scenes where the girls kissed and touched each other; it's pretty much the default for yuri. I also don't see how the average yuri series hates men as well.
>>288646572I only care for yuri when one of two things happens:1. The cute/hot MC is bisexual. This not because of any fantasies, for the record, because I know people will think that.2. The girls are really, really hot, and the series is accessible enough (that means, 20 episodes or a movie).I don't hate lesbians, but I don't really care about them.
>>288648224Why does the MC have to be bisexual?
>>288648237Because I like bisexual characters, and otherwise to have a reason to give a damn about it.
>>288648233Normal people already find yuri disgusting, so why should anyone care what they think?
>>288648169>see the blacklash to AkebiI didn't know about that. Explain
>>288646572The weird thing about Botan's Anime is that it's spurred my latent bisexual desires (and by that I mean all the another-man's-dick-in-my-ass fantasies I've ever had) and yuri Anime has never really done that for me before.
>>288648215the fuck are you talking about, lots of yuri is just schlocky shoujo with 2 girls
its GAY
>>288648304Based, based, based!
>>288648316>two men kissing one manNTA. Maybe the disgust was related to faggotry, maybe?
>>288648282Akebi was a CGDCT which always had a yuri undercurrents but when the series finally confirmed it, some non-yuri fans complained. >>288648312Maybe a decade ago when Citrus aired, but not nowadays.
>>288648346Sorry, I mistyped. It was two women kissing one man.
>>288648316>uses western study when homo stuff is easily more popular in Japan than lesbian stuff, even among menJust look at the popularity of traps.
>>288646572>lots of kisses and sex>and sexPhysically impossible
>>288648169Don't kid yourself, yurifags can perfectly survive on scraps and shipping for years on end. The industry knows this, anyone who has interacted with them knows this. That's why yuribait series are more popular than explicit yuri series.>which is why most harem/romances have no such physical intimacy until the very end, exceptions not withstandingI already posted more romcom kisses from this season than yuri kisses from the past 1-2 years
>>288648376They're called fujo (rotten) for a reason. They don't really represent normal people.
>>288648383sex doesnt necessarily mean penetration.it involves activities that cause sexual arousement
>>288646572there's not enough Lezdom, seriously its such an underrepresented part of the genre
>>288648411Traps aren't popular with fujos. I'm talking about amongst men as even Samurai/monks engaged in pederasty.
>>288648437>I'm talking about amongst men as even Samurai/monks engaged in pederasty.That's an extremely small minority. And they basically removed it entirely from their culture almost 350 years ago now.
>>288648437NTA. I don't think otaku anime (the one kind of anime that features traps) is THAT popular among Japanese normalfags.Compare this with kodomo anime, Studio Ghibli, Case Closed and Makoto Shinaki movies, genuine normalfag anime.
>>288648493And you can still see it today in the popularity of traps like Astolfo.>>288648495Then neither is yuri, which is my point.
>>288648521>Then neither is yuri, which is my point.Fair enough.
>>288646572I'm heterosexualI don't like dykesI don't like gaysI don't like homosexual romanceI'm only attracted to heterosexual romance between a boy and a girl. Call me homophobic, call me a normie or whatever. I simply doesn't care about same-sex romance.
>>288648521>Then neither is yuri, which is my point.No, your point was that a western study shouldn't apply to Japanese people forever reason. As if Japanese people somehow have totally different brains.>AstolfoDoesn't really seem that popular.
>>288648408Yurifags have to survive on those things because of there might be only be 1-2 yuri anime each season.>>yuri kisses from the past 1-2 years>Watanare (several)>NGO (several)>Watatabe (bite kiss)>Necronomico (two)>Ninkoro (one)Already wrong.
>>288648495normalfag anime still has okama and crossdressing men even if they're different from traps in otaku anime
>>288648560>NGOIs this actually yuri?I looked at vndb and it looked like het harem shit.
>>288648569>okama and crossdressing menThat's more so because Japan was extremely misogynistic (I don't like using this word). And women were banned from preforming on stage in any way, so men played the roles of women in stage plays.
>>288648546>as if Japanese people somehow have totally different brains.Are you being serious? What people find sexually attractive is more influenced by their culture than brain chemistry, which is why different countries have different top fetishes.>>288648587So were the Romans and they didn't have problems with guys fucking other guys as along as they you were the dominant one.
>>288648560Okay, maybe I exaggerated, but it's still a close call comparing a single season to a whole year. And there are still more het kisses to come before the season ends while the yuri show(s) will stay ambiguous/bait
>>288648625What people find disgusting on an instinctual level is hard coded into your DNA as a human. And you don't even need brain scans to prove it. The reason you think blueberries smell good is because they are healthy for you. The reason you think shit smells bad is because it can kill you if you eat it.
>>288648541>I simply doesn't care about same-sex romance.>doesn'tDumb ESL.
>>288648657Kimishinu next season will have kisses. So will Mahoako S2, Moon, Kinioto, Sado Life. Even more if we include the ones leaked.
>>288648701Great argument.
>>288648739It wasn't an argument.
>>288648729>Sado LifeAfter two seconds of google searching I have concluded that it's probably love triangle shit, and that the purple hair girl likes one of the girls in the front, who are the main push couple of the series.Am I right?
>>288648668Plently of things smell and taste bad but are good for you and vice versa. The heuristics your body (which is an unreliable biological organism) uses to distinguish are obviously partly determined by the culture you grow up in and can be easily tricked, which is why not all cultures cared if some guys fucked other guys.
>>288648773Completely wrong. Dropped it long ago but at the very least there wasn't the slightest hint of a love triangle back when I read it, and the main couple are also the girls in the back.
>>288648873>Completely wrongOh well, can't get 'em all right. I'll check it out, looks cute.
>>288646572Botan is het gangbang coded
>>288648898And you're yaoi gangbang coded
>>288648215>CGDCT with romanceI don't want this I want sweaty clam jamming
>>288646572because i am not mentally ill? if i want girl on girl action i watch a hentai or something, "yuri" anime are just like any shitty drama/romance but 10 times worse and retardedalso pic related average yuri fan
>>288649633Then why didn’t you like Watanare? It has scenes where Renako gets gropped/kissed/etc.>>288649718>just like any shitty drama/romance but 10 times worse and retardedConsidering the state of modern romance, they’re easily better for the sole fact that romantic things actually transpire in most instead of being an afterthought.
I smell three letters seething about Watanare endlessly, again
>>288646684Why it's always the "self insertion" argument?The answer is actually pretty simple; Most heterosexual people are not into homosexual romance.Most straight women doesn't watch yaoiMost straight men doesn't watch yuriPlease go outside and see the world for once instead of using twitter as your metric
>>288649785I don't want weak ass groping and kissing I want gratuitous sex that appeals to my male gaze
>>288649924Several people in this thread have brought up the fact that they struggle to connect to yuri because of the fact that they can’t relate to the characters.>most straight women doesn't watch yaoiYuri on Ice is one of the most popular anime. Yaoi is easily as popular as other josei and shoujo romance among women.
>>288649924Most people don't watch anime, what's your point? We're on /a/, not on facebook or some other normalfag site.>women doesn't>men doesn'tPlease get better at English before posting again.
>>288646684Iets be honest most heterosexual men don't care about lesbian romance they only care about the hot stuff.>Most yuri have cuter designs compared to the more ultra sexy designs of romcom girls.And that's why current ones doesn't have wider appeal among general anime fanbase.
>>288650186Last part meant for him>>288647337
>>288646572because theres no MAIN QUESTI need MAIN QUESTS
>>288648350>>288648312>>288648215no, hes right. name 5 yuri with main quest. you cant. its just>roll over and diethats it...
>>288648541>you are a fucking faggot queer shitheel yurifag subhumanokay>normieget the fuck off of my wesbite normalnigger.
>>288650186>they only care about the hot stuffBut that’s just it and why I am so confused. To me, most yuri is already so erotic. Scenes like this with the gradual build-up, subtle touches, and emotional release later on are just as hot as scenes where two girls scissor.
>>288646572Yuri is mostly girls talking about their feelings with very little of the runtime actually girls being gay, if I want to watch girls talk I will watch CGDCT because they actually no things whilst CGDQT they just talk.
>>288646684That disqualifies most of /a/ right off the bat.
>>288650367As an addendum, scenes like are completely unsexy to me. Even though the girls are more physically initiate and you can see more skin, they don’t seem like they’re into it at all.
>>288646572is "let me tell you why you like xyz" the /a/ equivalent of burgers going "let me tell you about your country"? Because it's pretty much always wrong
>>288646572The people who don't like yuri are always either only into guys. Or mindbroken by twitter politics.Those are consistently the only two types. The rest might just not like yuri stories because they don't like romance, but they still like yuri as element. Thats why its consistently in everything for the last 40 years.
There's the cope
>>288646572The fact you faggots feel the need to spam these threads daily, already tells me all I need to know about you tourists and refugees obsessively hating it.
>>288646572speaking of botan...>Norio Matsumoto is a KA on Kamiina Botan #10 genuinely what the fuck did HEY do to deserve a premium wagyu production. Like its nice to see some yuris get some heavy hitters but its kind of getting to the point of "you couldnt pick any other ip?" theyre changing directors every episode in the same vein as space dandy too which i havent seen done in a while
>>288648350>Akebi was a CGDCT which always had a yuri undercurrents but when the series finally confirmed it, some non-yuri fans complained.They were just SoLfags tourists.
>>288651119Jelly of his social capital?
>>288647265Must be why I hate those shows, because I'm the coolest guy ever.
>>288647214Based
>>288651205A little bit! I'm more so a sakugafag first and yurifag second tho so that might be why im kinda salty lol
>>288651205Happy for him, but sad other shows that could use this kind of effort don't get it. World ain't fair.
>>288646572I do hate dykes. It's an instant -2 to my enjoyment so it needs to be godlike in everything else for me to want to watch it.
>>288650894LOL, LMAO.
>>288649633>>288647950It bothers me because in DMDP Polka, he died a virgin at the hands of a girl, and the Corpse God could never be with girls because he became a eunuch after his body rotted away during the transition to undead. I don't think it's fair that the girls can have lesbian sex with each other while the MC is left out and can't enjoy sex. That's why I don't like yuri; it leaves me quite frustrated.
>>288647286>and adapt Kimitsuzuyou mean Kitakawa
>>288647383
>>288651567>>288647214WTF More than frustrated, you seem quite traumatized. Projecting yourself onto a MC or FMC can be quite harmful. If a story like this causes that kind of reaction in you, I think you should see a specialist.
I'm a gay nigger from space
>>288651894
>>288646572but i like it. just a small batch of it. i don't like the ones with rape and particularly edgy drama.
The animosity in this thread is hilarious man. Some of you ar we really that asshurt by dykes, eh?
I like the genre, I just hate the fans. I only talk about yuri stuff with people I already know The absolute worst ones are Westerners using it as "representation" as if the target audience for a lot of Yuri isn't men
>>288648249You're like the inverse of thaf one dude on /v/ making an entire list of games to boycott because they have bisexuals.
>>288648304Gross
>>288646653Yuri is exclusively a genre and the definining characteristic of it isn't "has dykes in it".Contrary to what twitter trannies will tell you f/m and m/m yuri are just as feasible as f/f yuri.
>>288651036Your autistic fans of the genre post shit threads like this makes you think its some tourist psyop? Is rough response made you cry that not everyone is into your shit?
>>288652460>shit threads like thisOP is just a list of qualities that yuri has.It doesn’t insult other genres or call them shit.How sensitive do you need to be to think it’s some attack?
>>288646572i hate dykes
>>288652194>The absolute worst ones are Westerners using it as "representation" as if the target audience for a lot of Yuri isn't menyeah, I'd understand if this were twitter but these scum have latched on to /a/ somehow.
>>288653018The idea that this website is still "secret" in anyway, shape or form is just laughable. A lot of these people are ex-tumblrites too, so they'd know 4chan very wellI'd wager honestly, the fact that generals are essentially accepted now on /a/ for years ends up creating an environment where you have a few dozen people max all talking to each other for years, so you get a "culture" in the general. It's not hard for them to cling here if they've been reinforcing each other's opinions in a general for years
>>288652194>as if the target audience for a lot of Yuri isn't menit's complicated
>>288646684So... the definition of a cuck?
>>288653614Its not complicated when its literally the one genre that has an almost 50:50 demographic split.Nevermind the fact nearly 80% of the yuri mangaka are women.
Why do some male yuri fans say the genre is more (straight) male dominated than it actually is?
>>288646653They just group all the works together for no reason>>288653671Stop with this delusion, if we are being generous you are seeing at most at 70:30 male for very specific titles and the only ones with bigger female demographics are the ones published in shoujo magazines (not shoujo labels) which men don't buy
>>288653669The definition of a cuck is someone who gets cheated on. This is more like voyuerism.
>>288654193>its the year of yuri>all barren of fantasyItou8 should make the yuri kemomimi\knight already im tired of no main quest yuri
>>288654392There are lots of fantasy yuri series though, they are just not translated.
>>28864657299% of yuri fans are cringe lords, failures or trannies. I want not association with them.
>>288654091Because it isYuri is a straight men hobby
>>288654205>>288654157Business yuri aside, does anyone else get a weird boner out of obviously straight talents/seiyuus talking about explicit yuri and lesbians in anime?
A cyber biologist from University of Tokyo that is also an idol?
>>2886544501. Most yuri mangaka are female.2. Female fans are at worst 40% of the Japanese yuri fandom. Far from being exclusively a male hobby.3. Non-straight men are factually overrepresented in the Japanese yuri fandom.
>>288653671>50:50 demographic split>target audience is menSee, complicated.
>>288654554More like 15% at best and don't make headcanons about the fandom of a country you don't live in retard.
>>288654554The only female maagaka and fans I will accept are those who like male gaze fan service.
>>288654554Even if most yuri mangaka are female its still a straight men hobby
>>288654617Even fat manga and green have male gaze fanservice.
>>288646572>>lots of kisses and sexName 5 yuri anime in the last 7 years that had sex in them.
>>288654629Based if true>>288654604my headcanons are most male yuri fans being lonely virgins and ummarried ojisans
>>288654649This is just otaku in general, female otaku are also not any better, actually ironically statistics surprisingly show the amount of female neet are actually bigger than the amount of male neet.
Extremely bad news for Nanoha fansThe entire anime will be screened in advance in theatre for 10k yen They have no confidence in it
>>288654690Everyone calls themselves an "otaku" these daysThe neets are niche fandom like yuri
>>288654647Mahoako had a full on sex scene in itIf they animate Murcielago than one has many as well
I keep running into a lady with Himesaki Rinami badge on her backpack. How do I stop myself from thinking about big sister yuri when seeing it?
>>288646572needs more superpowered fight scenes, giant robots, and philosophical horror
>>288654649>male yuri fans being lonely virgins and ummarried ojisansThat’s just anime and manga fans in general
>>288654743Only in the west, on japan otaku still carries a negative stigma.
>>288647383Yuri isn't for you either, p-kun
>>288648729could you spoil me about kimishinu? i have this on my read list ever since the first chapter released, but something about the title just makes it seem like its just depressing shit with no happy end. is it depressing shit with realistically no happy end?
>>288654921It's 80% wholesome, 10% heart breaking tragedy and 10% this story won't have a happy ending
>>288654921its depressing with the hope of a happy ending
>>288654604>More like 15% at bestNope.>The first magazine to study the demographics of its readers was Yuri Shimai (2003–2004), who estimated the proportion of women at almost 70%, and that the majority of them were either teenagers or women in their thirties who were already interested in shōjo and BL manga.>In 2008, Ichijinsha made a demographic study for its two magazines Comic Yuri Hime and Comic Yuri Hime S, the first being targeted to women, the second to men. The study revealed that women accounted for 73% of Comic Yuri Hime readership, while in Comic Yuri Hime S, men accounted for 62%. The publisher noted, however, that readers of the latter magazine also tended to read the first, which led to their merger in 2010.>As of 2017, the ratio of men to women is said to have shifted to about 6:4, thanks in part to the Comic Yuri Hime S merge and the mostly male readership YuruYuri brought with it.>Verena Maser conducted a study of Japanese yuri fandom demographics between September and October 2011. This study, mainly oriented towards the Yuri Komyu! community and the social network Mixi, received a total of 1,352 valid responses. The study found that 52.4% of respondents were women, 46.1% were men and 1.6% did not identify with either gender.>The sexuality of the participants was also requested, separated into two categories: "heterosexual" and "non-heterosexual". The results were as follows: 39.5% were heterosexual men, 30% were non-heterosexual women, 15.2% were heterosexual women, 4.7% were non-heterosexual men, and 1.2% identified as "other".Non-straight male yuri fans were 10,21% of the male yuri fandom.There's exactly 1 (one) LGBT Japanese gendered survey, OCRS 2019, which only covers Osaka, and made in a better LGBT climate than the 2011 survey had.In this survey, AMABs were 1,3% gay, and 1,1% bisexual. Even without considering the changes in society, they are overrepresented fourfold.
>>288654948>>288654952so from my two decades of yurimanga, i assume that it has a lot of fluffy romance moments, but the premise is kinda depressing. maybe some side-couple dies but the main couple has something that still gives a lot of hope that this wont happen to them, but shit could get real(?) i will probably read it before the anime finishes airing and then bingewatch it.
>>288654629The sex happens later in the manga or extras. See TenTen, Omae Gotoki, Otherside Picnic, WataOshi, and MahoAko.
>>288655022urasekai had them fuck? in the manga?
>>288655038The novel had some fingering, yes.
>>288654962>An study of 10 years ago of a niche magazine with around 15k copies in circulation where it was already trending for a male takeover>An study from 15 years ago You can easily see the ratio yourself every time there is a yuri event, the last one prism garden also barely had any women in the lines.
>>288655007The biggest theme of Kimishinu is melancholy, its trying to be happy with the knowledge that everything can go to shit at any moment
>>288655022I said male gaze not sex, green will sell some very sexualized merch too and you can be pretty sure when the anime airs it will do even more of this
>>288655059thats lewd. i will have to re-read it from the beginning once the manga gets to that point. urasekai picnic is one of the few manga where i dont mind the yuri taking a backseat because the plot and atmosphere is really good.>>288655106as long as the main couple gets through it and nobody will die in a hospital while the other girl writes a diary about it..
>>288654872Not among the talentos Every talento calls themselves an otaku of some sort
>>288655007They are child soldier fighting a war they have no chance of winning and the only thing they ever do is delay the inevitable.
>>288655108great manga, absolutely dogshit translation.
>>288655136The other side is not winning too.>delay the inevitableInevitable of what? There is no existential threats to both sides.
>>288655144You mean the official or the fan tl
>>288655038Urasekai probably has the most trippy sex scene I've ever read.
>>288655193it was the official one.
>>288655109I meant to reply to >>288654647
>>288646572I like yuri because you get two cute girls instead of just one
I like seeing girls being silly and goofing around. All that gay shit and sexual stuff totally repulses me but luckily for me it's like 1% of the show
why even entertain some male gaze /a/ schizo?
>>288655108What gaze is this?
>>288655261lesbian
>>288655097>anecdotal evidence
>>288655287This anecdotal evidence is unlike your studies verifiable
>>288655261Fat chaser gaze
>>288655453>I don't like this data by magazines themselves? I will say they make shit up
>>288646572That's a long neck in that bottom left
https://x.com/D4DJ_pj/status/2064527971604676843Raika (middle) confirmed wife of Hare (leftmost)
>>288655485Lol, the whole point is that the study is not only old, but you can't really verify it yourself, meanwhile you can easily see a line with hundreds and tell the ratio yourself, I specifically picked Prism Garden because anime specific events usually have the seyuus and most of the audience is always fans of the seyuus.
>>288646572It always felt a bit voyeuristic. But I did read one yuri series and I like it. How Do We Relationship. I'm trying to find some more, but I haven't had much luck unless you count Kirara slice of lifes.
>>288655453If you want anecdotal evidence, here’s an event where a decent chunk are girls.
>>288654617the MtF are into the fanservice and pedo yuri
>>288655691It doesn't count okkk?? It's AI generated, surely.
>>288655698Wtf I love trannies now
>>288653669Yuri is not real romance. It's friends practicing so they can then marry (me)
>>288647803Watatabe, though it's depression anime first, yuri second
>>288655691Not Japan
Fuck I thought today was Friday and was waiting for a shuukura chapter
>>288655665>It always felt a bit voyeuristic.How is it more voyeur than het romance?How do we relationship is great, it's not like there's a lack of dramatic yuri manga.
>>288655733yea i follow a couple MtF who repost yuri to see if I missed translations, they like this one
>>288655555BASED
>>288655691>>288655701Oh yes the work that is not recognized as yuri in any official capacity, what a coincidence.
>>288654872>on japan otaku still carries a negative stigma.No, it doesn't have negative conntations "on japan"
>>288655821I guess because I probably self-insert a bit in het romance. Since I'm a guy. Lesbian troubles are pretty far removed from mine (though not entirely, I definitely related to some of the struggles in HDWR). Any recs? I hear most yuri stuff is mega-dramatic, which I'm not necessarily interested in.
>>288655917NTA, but otaku is pretty much a word for obsessed loser
>>288655881That’s not a Kaguya event. It’s just what the two girls are cosplaying as.>not recognized as yuri in any official capacityAlso incorrect: https://bookwalker.jp/dea6c7192f-efc3-435e-a0ca-4903301ca3d3/
>>288655881Mongoloid.
>>288655946Not in 2026, not really.
Remember when D4DJ retcon their opening theme song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr8_Q9AjQTointo being written by the 2 lesbians, despite they were not even in the original version and only added 2 years later?What are some other big retcons in yuri?
>>288655958And so this relate to yuri because...?You have been posting bookwalker links for years now and so far you have convinced zero anons that LR is promoted as a yuri work, because it's not, last time you brought up bookwalker several anons even pointed out how none of the other services were consistent with how bookwalker tags things. You need to move on from this nonsense.
>>288656337uh anon, they should add doggos and the eggs for next D4Fes
>>288656358Nobody cares p-kun
>>288656725Sorry I am not your boyfriend.
>>288656409But they were not part of the gang when the lesbians wrote the song for the cyber space battle against some rogue AI loli
These are burgers
>>288656358Whether you consider a work to be yuri is up to you, but Kadokawa is the official publisher of the manga and Bookwalker is Kadokawa’s official e-platform. Your claim was that the series was “not recognized in any official capacity as yuri” yet that is not clearly on true. Whether it is recognized as yuri on other websites not run by Kadokawa is irrevelant to its official tagging.Always interesting how people clamour for the tags, but as soon as one gets it, infinite road blocks are put up for how it doesn’t count.
>>288655261Homosexual
>>288657030>meanwhipe no yuri tag on comic walker also run by kadokawa or any mention of yuri on the X accounts also run by kadokawa
>>288654717dang, I didn't have much confidence in it either since it just sounds like an original IP with the Nanoha label slapped on but that's too bad
>>288657954On the plus side we will know how yuri it is on day one
>>288658157We already know.
>>288655574
>>288658157oh yeah I'm sure there'll be enough cute NanoFate moments to make people happy even if the show itself is shit
>>288657482>https://comic-walker.com/detail/KC_002798_S?episodeType=firstNeither does fat manga. Does it mean it's not yuri?
How many stories show explicitly yuri rape?I don't think there's enough.also futa doesn't count
>>288646572>So why don't you like the genre if you don't hate dykes?I like romance, sure, but whenever i think about wholesome, homely scenarios and cute romance between my favorite characters. Dating, falling in love, having a family together, etc. I can only imagine such wholesomeness when thinking about normal, regular couples. I can't get the same butterfly feeling effect when I think of homosexuality.
>>288659400They just used the (defunct) GL tag instead, which further illustrates how the concept of "official tagging" is nonsense and just inaccurate in general, either they are using the word yuri to promote the work or they are not. You know very well if you asked any person from the Kaguya staff if the work is yuri they all would deny it. Which is not the same to say it's not yuri, but it's definitely not a work recognized or promoted as yuri in an official capacity and then you want to compare a picture from who know where in whatever context with an event which was promoting exclusively works promoted as yuri? You have to stop treating as if having an overwhelming bigger male audience is a sin for a yuri work or having a bigger female audience is some badge of honor, as the yuri audience keeps growing the trends is that the split will just grow bigger and you have to decide if you actually enjoy yuri or you just to pretend you have a female hobby, which let me be clear to you, you don't.
>>288659596Just read Adashi and Shimamura anon, it's so much sugar you will get diabetes.
>>288659702>the concept of "official tagging" is nonsense and just inaccurate in general,This is what I said; the claim was it was not labeled as yuri in any capacity, which is untrue. >you have to stop treating as if having an overwhelming bigger male audience is a sin for a yuri work or having a bigger female audience is some badge of honorNow you have me confused with someone else. I don't really care if a work has a large female/male audience.
>>288659908It was what the conversation was originally about.>This is what I said; the claim was it was not labeled as yuri in any capacity, which is untrue. A pointless remark, it's like trying to use comic walker to argue it's not yuri because it lacks the yuri tag. It's just not promoted as a yuri work, whether it's perceived as one it's another thing.
Arguments about labels and categorization are so dumb and autistic.
>>288660299>it's just not promoted as a yuri work,It's not universally promoted as one, but is sometimes recognized as one by official publishers. Whether that counts or not is subjective and retarded.
>>288660473If by publisher you mean bookwalker and not Kadokawa.
>>288659596then why the fuck are you in these threads yoh fucking schizo niggertranny. just fuck off or kill yourself.
>>288646653>Genre is a French word meaning "kind" or "type". It is used to categorize works of art, literature, music, or film based on shared similarities in form, style, structure, or subject matter>subject matterYuri is a genre.
>>288659702>You have to stop treating as if having an overwhelming bigger male audience is a sin for a yuri work or having a bigger female audience is some badge of honor, as the yuri audience keeps growing the trends is that the split will just grow bigger and you have to decide if you actually enjoy yuri or you just to pretend you have a female hobby, which let me be clear to you, you don't.I don't mind that, but the available formal data says that women are not a small portion of the yuri fandom.You have provided zero sources for your 15% estimate, btw.What can be asserted without evidence...
>>288661118You mean outside of actually bringing up real people showing up to buy yuri merch?
>>288661156Quoting a previous post by someone else:>IRL event attendance depends on the nature of the event, not the fanbase and say nothing about the readership.
>>288661323We know the nature of the event, it's literally selling yuri merch from yuri works, it's the most accurate way to see exactly who is buying yuri without overlapping with anything else.
>>288661592And do you have hard data over the attendance by gender?Besides, I doubt there's much overlap with anything else in the Comic Yuri Hime readership.
>>288658429>>288655574DJ sister?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIsopUG_c-A
>kaguya-hime doujin event>most doujins are yuri as you can expect>crowd looks like thisMeanwhile joseimuke (bl, het, yume, non-pairing circles) doujin events with 90% female attendees have almost no yuri (anodoko blog logs it every event). Accept reality that most of the yuri audience is lonely dudes and that it is a niche otaku hobby.
>>288653202It was pretty much fucked by the exploding van and that was nearly twenty years ago.
>>288662173Why do we keep pretending yuri having a majority male audience is strange when yaoi has a majority female audience? What part of this is confusing?
>>288662208yaoi and yuri are not direct opposite
>>288662173Why are you suddenly pretending you aren't a lonely guy
>>288662208a lot actually given that yaoi is an acronym and thus a much narrower term than you seem to think and that yuri is not "anything with dykes in it"
>>288660624Chill, dude. I am simply answering the question in the thread, which was a general question
>>288662289They are not, but I also not sure what is the point here, the yuri audience is overwhelming male and of course yuri is a small niche, you would have to be insane to argue otherwise when we are lucky to have 2 yuri anime in the same season.Not that you want to go female only event either, because in japan the bottom of society is not unemployed lonely men but unemployed lonely women who are increasingly on the rise.
>>288662173a male gaze idolshit movie isn't representative of yuri in general
>>288662359Yes but truth be said most of the doujin being sold are explicitly yuri and het is not allowed.
>>288662359Cant tell if this post is an sjw troon, or Incel RWer
>>288662357men are never the bottom of society
>>288662359Any other event for a popular yuri is going to look the same
>>288662357No, the bottom run in Japanese society are homeless girls whoring themselves out.
>>288662173I would say that the hardcore yuri audience, those who consume it as their primary genre, are probably mostly men given YH's 70% readership and the prevalence of yuri in seinen magazines with 80-90% male readerships. That being said, the success of works like Green Yuri and Fat Yuri demonstrate that there's a potentially far larger casual female audience that might be interested in occasionally reading/watching a yuri series if it peaks their interest.
>>288662483>YH's 70% readershipu got that from your ass
>>288662359>Kaguya>male gaysI'm in hell for laughing too hard.It was the exact opposite of male gaze.
>>288662444I disagree, anything that isn't idolshit or polyshit will have less male otaku obsessing over it
>>288662483You keep associating Green with a female audience when it's not really published in a josei magazine or under a josei label.
>>288662444>>288662556stuff like green yuri popup store was all girls
>>288662500There was a 2017 poll that reported it at 60-70% and Muromaki said in her column for YH that it was 60-70% back in 2023/2024.>>288662564Series can have female audiences despite not being published in shoujo/josei magazines. But maybe I'm wrong and we'll see the events of green yuri being filled with guys.
>>288662564>>288662644in print green is under this label https://comic-walker.com/label/kitora
>>288662644NTA.>Muromaki said in her column for YH that it was 60-70% back in 2023/2024I saw that graph, but I think it was an international Internet survey she posted on her socials, so not purely Japanese, reason why I ultimately did not bring it up. Do you have a source?
>>288662686Kitora is a BL/Yuri label, but not necessarily josei as you can tell by the other yuri works.
>>288662644If it will be an anime event it will definitely filled with guys because of the seyuus, same way you have lots of girls in shonen anime events because of the male seyuus.>>288662712She said she asked an editor about this, but it's hard to tell if the editor isn't just quoting data from a decade ago.
>>288662712No, her survey for the international audience was mostly women, which is why she was confused that YH has a mostly male audience.>>288662686There a few straight series in there.
>>288662763>same way you have lots of girls in shonen anime events because of the male seyuus.You have two male characters in Green to attract a female audience.
>>288662793Maybe if they pick really high profile male seyuus for characters that will voice a dozen lines they can get girls to show up, assuming the anime isn't most original content.
>>288663627Kill yourself, retarded tourist.
>>288663627Can we move past the vague generalities. How exactly does yuri's target audience affect the actual romantic plot/characters present in yuri?To me though, It's less about being interesting (as all genres have their fair share of derivative works), and more about the structure of the average yuri manga being superior to the default plot of straight romance for guys these days. In comparison, yuri stories are usually faster, more intimate, and have less filler. To put it into numerical terms: the average yuri manga is a 7/10 whereas the comparable average straight romance manga is around a 4-5/10. I can admit that there are probably more 9-10/10 straight manga because of sheer numbers alone, but it's a pain to find them in a sea of frustrating series, especially when they are the least popular usually.
>>288664243If you were concerned about that, BL has been running circles around formulaic will they won't they romcoms for years and years. Of course the niche romance gets to the point faster, it is unlikely to ever become long running.
>>288664106Just go back to /v/, only a deranged /v/eddit faggot would say something like "x anime genre is for trannies" on /a/.
>>288664370Go back to /u/, please. Obsessive generalposting is fucking annoying and yuri generals is literally the point of /u/.
>>288664302The problem is that I don't find men attractive, so any BL I would read would have to engage me solely on the characters/relationship. Lewd scenes in yuri work better in that regard.
>>288664370>>288664409Just kiss already, girls.
>>288655555Is he dare I say BASED?
>>288653669Kill yourself.
>>288664029Don't copy me, faggot. That post wasn't even particularly bad. I won't stand for MY words used wrong like everything else being butchered.
>>288654193>They just group all the works together for no reasonyeah they categorize fetish material together, big if true
>>288665326Am I supposed to know who you are?>That post wasn't even particularly badIt was a pretty faggy /v/-tier post, not gonna lie.
>>288655747This is exactly why nobody will ever want you.
>>288665222>TripsYes
>>288665408I'm Harry Dresden, motherfucker.
>>288657574>there are retards that unironically believe this allowed to post
>>288662416When push comes to shove, both are the same tourist faggots about yuri.
>>288665463I don't habeeb it.
>>288655747>Yuri is not real romanceTroll harder.
>>288662173KWAB
