>>288671807
guts is

>not human?

>human but incomplete?

>astral being

>human and now complete

wich is it??

did he gained new powers?
did he gained new knowledge?
why didn't skull knight and flora told all that before?
was that flora or his mother?


this chapter was bullshit man, idk

>>288671844
>>not human?
>>human but incomplete?
>>astral being
>>human and now complete
The same as he's always been. He's someone that's always existed in the interstace due to being born from a corpse. Skull Knight and Flora explain all this to him. Are you a speedreader?

>>288671844
>why didn't skull knight and flora told all that before?
Golden Age and Millennium Falcon.

>>288671915
then why did they showed somehting that we already knew? without nothing new? as something that guts didn't know?

>>288671930
Because he's introspecting on his life, speedreader. Things that he's always known about himself but is only just now confronting.

I swear to Christ you guys would benefit from actually reading the fucking thing.

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>>288671844
>was that flora or his mother?
Are you actually stupid?

>>288671959
so who is it? this image doesn't show me shit

>>288671975
Read the Manga.

>>288671945
so now what? what is it? what exactly did he confronted if this is not trauma or anything at all for him?

you are acting like a girl bro, chill out and talk like a man

>>288671985
couldn't answer because you don't even know... propper bullshit coment

Guts was able to see and talk to Chich despite never being exposed to feries before. I think this is evidence of him always having one foot in the door of the astral plane. (in the first chapter, the reason why everyone can see the puck is because of the snake apostol living near and affecting their lives)

>>288672008
If you read the manga you wouldn't need to ask. You don't know, ergo you don't read the manga and are just a shitposting cunt

>>288672008
You're low IQ.

>>288671992
You're talking like a child. He confronted all the pain and death he caused by simply existing, and the trauma and guilt from the death of the BotH.

>>288672045
>And if nothing changed aside from his mindset how does this bring him closer to defeating Griffith if he couldn't even scratch him?
He couldn't hit Griffith at Elfhelm because he was trying harder to suppress the Berserker Armour, protecting Casca, than he was trying to kill Griffith. He CAN harm him, as he cuts his hair.

>>288672045
>The fact that he is special because born out of a corpse?
Read the manga.

>You were birthed from a womb of the dead
>Existing between life and death, fighting against causality
I suppose it just backs up what Skull Knight and Flora said to him and have been encouraging him to do.

>ahh yes guts is actually a special in-between astral plains baby and not just with an indomitable will to survive you see
How can these people misunderstand why guts has been such an interesting character. They're turning this character that has existed as long as homer Simpson into a generic bottom of the barrel shonen cliche. What a fucking shame

So many bullshiters pretending this chapter had any answer at all

but all their interpretations are absolute dog shit

this chapter looks like filler and non sense

>>288672081
I mean kind of. In the manga it's said that you have to have an open mind to spirituality and "the other side" to see them. I suppose that kind of tracks for the Snake Barron stuff. I suppose Guts being able to see Chitch would just be more evidence, as told by Skull Knight and Flora, that he's always existed between the realms. The magic system in Berserk is basically "if I believe it exists, I can tap in to it" which is an interesting take on magic. I think it's more that if your world view is such that you can't comprehend magical beings, then you simply can't comprehend them.

>>288672088
>>288672117
>>288672126
Bunch of faggots pretending they know anything at all

pathetic atempts

>>288672247
Read the chapter again and tell me what you notice about Guts' face, body language and demeanour

Proper translation next month??

>>288672260
I'm telling you to read the manga, speedreader.

>>288672247
It's not about strength it's about comprehension of what Griffith is. Read the manga.

To put it another way, Guts is a Kia compact car, while Griffith is a Lamborghini.
They’re both cars, but they’re worlds apart.

>>288672008
HOLY SHIT,WHY DO THESE THREADS ATTRACT DAFT CUNTS?I always thought Berserk fans had slightly higher I.Q,how foolish

>>288672295
>
Exactly, guys have no answer to absolutely nothing, and keep ragebaiting with this shit "muh speedreader" "muh read the manga" when even they are absolutely clueless and their interpretation is so shit they can't even talk about it

>>288672296
They're coping with how shit all the post death chapters have been

>>288672295
You seem low IQ, I don't argue with retards. Stay mad.

>>288672340
exactly

the whole point for that isolation chamber was for guts to see himself and be alone by himself, not for flora to guide him...

also for her to come and say something that was already said before, for what?

what about the actual trauma that was built around guts best effort not reaching grifith in the slightest? what about casca? what about what he gonna do next?

all of it is paradoxical like you said

I think we would get something along the lines of master yourself = master the enemy shit, like seing the OD and learning to reach it using his own or controling his emotions and therefore berserk armor as well

this "muh you're special, just go out there and win" is so much bullshit

>>288672340
it was pathetic, his imersion lasted like 1 second... he didn't reflect on anything at all

he didn't exactly learn anything

Are English scans out yet?

>>288671844
There are still many mysteries surrounding Schierke, but she’s more astral in nature, Isma is literally half-astral.
Compared to that, Guts’ astral affinity is nothing to write home about. These speedreaders are treating his Level 1 passive skill as if it were a gamebreaker.

>Narutards did humongous damage to any other media due to retards thinking if your protagonist isn’t an absolute fucking genetic deadens freak with every disadvantage against them, it betrays the core of the story.
You guys are retards

>>288672340
You can vacate the premises now and go back to seething while waiting for the next chapter to drop.

You guys are so damn retarded

>>288672484

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rU8oXmgpCDs

>>288672644
Link and/or dump the bloody Japanese raws, I'll translate that shit in a few hours cunt. Hold my fucking beer.

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Reactions to this chapter have only confirmed to me that most people don't remember much of what happened already in the manga and are bitching that things we already know are being reaffirmed for context. Like were people really surprised to find that Guts has more agency than most when Skull Knight and Slan observed this ages ago?
Also a weird purity obsession when a main throughline is that Guts' humanity is tainted by his monstrous worse nature that he contends with as intrusive thoughts and self-destructive tendencies. You know, the same evil id that Schierke has to tard wrangle with astral projection every time Guts fights, because Guts has been drawing on it conducting blatantly supernatural feats of violence.
It doesn't matter if Guts has some quantum voodoo loophole from the macabre circumstances of his birth, or if an apostle is his daddy, or being soaked in demon blood has tainted him, because Guts having an inhuman element just accentuates the desperation of his struggle to maintain himself and by extension protect what he cares about.
Guts could walk out of the stupa with features of a beast and he'd still be Guts as long as he hasn't followed the examples of Zodd or Skull Knight, who each discarded their humanity to become something that can fight forever. Guts affirming his humanity would align with a transformation into something encompassing his inner strength but is still ultimately mortal.

>>288671807
Not really.It has been heavily foreshadowed. Guts was mentioned as having "the devils own luck". In early chapters his scabbard is akin to a pointy devil tail. His odd is strange as mentioned by Shirke. The dying females tied to the tree likely belonged to a cult. It is mentioned that places and people related to death are closer to the erstice. Guts is not chosen in the full sense - he simply got lucky / unlucky depending on pov to be born in a way that allows him to have more freedom from causality than most. It has to do with his parents or rather the lack there of - there wasn't anyone in his life that imprinted their views on him. I have often wondered about them and who they were but even more importantly is something a lot of people miss - we know even less about how Griffith was born. Even less about his childhood. We know he dreamed of the castle and ran on the cobbled town streets but we know nothing of who raised him and how... was he a street urchin? Did he have a overbearing mother or father? Was he raised in terrible conditions or were the family well of? Was there one parent missing? It was clear from the start that the early life biographical part is being kept vague deliberately and thus likely left for the ending.

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GUTS, I AM YOUR FATHER.
NOOOOOOOOO!!!!

>>288672556
kek

>>288671992
You don't even speak English and, still, you went out of your way to open a thread.
You're a child, and at that, a brown one.

>>288673203
I agree with you

but all those questions remain about what exactly happened, how, what does it mean etc.

>>288673358
I wish retards like you make actual point instead of saying "muh speedreader"... you can't provide a single argument about anything at all

you are the only one incapable of doing so, KYS

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JJK>>>nu-Zerk

>>288673601
Gojo vs Sukuna was absolute kino before that awfull ending for the fight

I've never had so much fun talking about it and following it in threads here, I remember laughing my ass off with memes and stuff people posted, I was awaken till super late just o read it first

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>>288673269

based Goda foreshadowed this in Skypiea!

You guys really read nu berserk as gospel? are you fucking retarded? Miura is dead, berserk died with him. Real niggas will never get off the ship.

>>288673663
I just wanna understand it, I'll keep reding it, naruto ended in classic... still people talk about it

let us be

>>288673663
>Real niggas will never get off the ship
Then go back there.

>>288673663
>t.

>>288673203
Not to mention that Guts trying to maintain his humanity despite all the shit he's gone through and any negatives/power-ups he gets from it clearly juxtaposes Griffith who wants to be beyond humanity at any cost necessary.
As long as Guts himself tries to maintain his humanity it does not matter if he's the "chosen one" or whatever other nonsense people interpret this as, as if we didn't know he it hasn't long been established that he can defy causality since the manga's start.
The important thing is that Guts always just wanted to be a normal human with a regular life, but was never given that opportunity, whereas Griffith always wants more.

What a time for Evil_Genius Scans to be fucking dead.

>>288673972
All of this I feel is also true but there is an additional element - Guts is becoming a leader. Elfhelm, now the Kushan empire - he realises he cannot fight Griffith as a lone wanderer [he already got him one on one when he left the band of the hawk]. He needs to best him at what Griffith is good at - leading men, being a tactician, planning ahead etc.

>>288671915
Didn't Skull Knight say back in Golden Age that it was because of the Brand that Guts and Casca were stuck in the Interstice? It feels like a bit of a retcon, honestly.

>>288671807
Berserk ended in 2021

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>>288674092
Back to your dead forum.

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>>288674210

>>288674210
Every new Berserk Episode it's a new Sk.net Schizo Episode.
It's magical, the existence of the continuation has value even if it's only for this.

>>288672287
In the real world, all cars drive roughly the same speed. So even a Kia can defeat a Lamborghini

>>288674210
Does the struggler title not mean a chosen one ? There is a hawk of light and a hawk of darkness. There are beings who know what is to come and give prophecy to him because he has a special role. Guts is special and has been acknowledged to be so several times over while Miura was writing Berserk [RIP] - think back to early days in the band of the hawk about how "he has the devils own luck". How Zodd is so surprised that in ages a human has finally managed to wound him. Guts birth was always special and this is mentioned before. I honestly feel that you could hate on the new team for the art not being the same, the wording etc. But hating them because it seems like they contradict something which they don't is wrong. Guts is not in the interstice since childhood but he is closer to it. Which makes him perfect for fighting these creatures.

>>288674210
>and he wasn't born outside the constraints of the world
But he quite literally was and this was explicitly stated in the manga under Miura's reign

At the end of the day, Berserk is just Devilman. Guts himself is just Devilman, and Griffith is Satan.

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>>288674210
>Lastly, this idea that Guts was in the Interstice from birth is invalidated by the fact he had no interactions with ethereal creatures before being branded
Citch lived. I remember Citch.

>>288674210
Everyone needs a hobby. This one doesn't sound very healthy though.

>>288674210
Berserk boomers scare me

>>288673203
It's 2026, there is a lot of new readers and we have been following this manga since forever, makes sense they lack a deeper reading, the problem is when they refuse to do it on purpose.

>>288674210
>>288674304
>>288674365
>>288674368
>>288674416
Why does this remind me of Red Letter Media hating the prequels

>>288674432
You decide you hate it first, then come up with rationalizations after, even if you have to ignore the actual content of the story or just straigh up lie about it?

>>288673203
Can I get a quick rundown on what Slan said, thanks

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>>288674416
You don't need to be special to see fairies though. Anyone can do it

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Miura loved the prequels

Berserk needed a Liam Neeson character desu

>>288674592
Chitch wasn't a fairy, she was a flower spirit.

>>288674210
not reading Alldat by Literally Who (R)

>>288674616
And Puck is a wind spirit. Does it make any difference?

When Guts will become the king of demons?

>>288674642
I guess it doesn't. Fuck it, Berserk sucks now.

>>288674365
Two hawks
Hawk Tuah

>>288674365
He wasn't closer to the interstice and it wouldn't mean anything if he was. Other than he would've died as a child because he would've run into evil spirits on battlefields constantly.

Is being in the interstice Mori's idea of like a half-vampire? Is he writing Guts to be fucking Blade?

Anyway, Guts definitely had/has a predetermined role to play. He was an important piece in Griffith's rise and fall, and SK was able to notice that he's someone who fits that role for Griffith - presumably because things were somewhat similar back when he was a mortal struggler himself.

This doesn't give Guts any special power, more so than anyone. Casca and Judeau and fucking Corcus had predetermined roles as well. Guts simply has that struggler mentality, which is what SK means when he mentions the circumstances of his birth. He's literally been struggling since his first breath.

>>288674118
>You are closer to death than anyone. Thus you excel in escaping it
How normal people perceive this
>You are inclined to escape death by fate because superstitions are real, dude
How Moricucks perceive this (now)
>Because your mother died right before birthing you are a demon who can slay Gods, bro. Fate has no control over you (even though you are the greatest pawn of it and everything happened in your life up to the Eclipse was preordained by God Hand to bring about Femto). Don't give it much thought for now though, a spirit of an old lady who you'll know for one day will remind of this but only after you'll need this information the most

>>288675175
I AM SILLY LOOK AT ME ACTING SILLY

>>288674603
>Miura loved the prequels before it was cool
Holy based

>>288675278
People will stumble, they will fall... but in time they will join Prequelchads in the sun.

>>288675195
Is this >>288671915 (you)?
I literally just quoted your thoughts and added some facts about the story. Not my fault it is silly

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>>288675415
No, it isn't.

this continuation is an absolute travesty

i mean it was clear from their first chapter on that they had no clue what they were doing with no grasp on the world and its characters but i didn't expect them to destroy the most fundamental aspect of berserk

mori is a parasite

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>>288675480
>the most fundamental aspect
So fundamental that literally no one has ever talked about it before now?

>be Miura
>Talk with moto for decades about private parts of berserk
>die suddenly
>Mori takes up the cause to finish Berserk to bring miuras ideas to life
>He does so
>Everyone hates it because it's not Miura, and blames it on Mori
It's miuras ideas lol

>>288675548
I thought Miura was writing this shit on the go with no planning

>>288675548
No. Miura's Berserk was about an underdog regular human struggling against impossibleo odds. Mori's Berserk is about invincible chosen one destined to vanguish all evil with the power of his superhuman abilities.
Mori abandoned everything that made Berserk good and relatable, and I wonder how it is that he came to be so tonedeaf. Maybe he really was just so jealous of Miura that he took this opportunity to destroy his legacy.

>>288675492
i can't tell whether you're shitposting or just genuinely retarded, i mean i can't rule anything out with continuation cucks

>>288675599
Berserk was always about Guts being
A) normal guy who can only do normal things
B) superhuman guy who wields a sword too big to be used by a human like what the fuck that's not even a sword

>>288675592
You can't read.

Mori is using ideas for berserk that were discussed privately with him by Miura, and telling the story that Miura wanted to tell but no longer can. What i'm saying is that you're mad at Miura.

>>288675592
>Mori's Berserk is about invincible chosen one destined to vanguish all evil with the power of his superhuman abilities.
Mental illness. Nothing has changed. Or implies any of the bullshit you just typed. You are making shit up to rationalize your dislike of the continuation. Mori literally said Miura "agonized" over how to deliver this chapter on more than one occasion. This is not "Mori's Berserk", retard. This is Miura's story adapted by Mori to the best of his ability - to which your mileage may vary. This is literally all Miura's idea. Deal with it.

>>288674365
>Does the struggler title not mean a chosen one?
Why would it? It's only ever used by Skull Knight and no one else acknowledges this concept
>There is a hawk of light and a hawk of darkness
Both are applied to Griffitrh as there are two sides to him, anyone who read the manga would know this
>There are beings who know what is to come and give prophecy to him because he has a special role
He had a very special role triggering Griffith into becoming Femto. Thus he's fate was predetermined and he did not exist outside of it before being branded. This chapter tries to retcon it
>How Zodd is so surprised that in ages a human has finally managed to wound him
Does not imply he's not a human
>Guts birth was always special and this is mentioned before
Special as in making him a nonhuman/god slaying machine? No it was nothing more than another artistic device to show how Guts went through the extreme struggle from the very birth and thus became one of the strongest humans
>But hating them because it seems like they contradict something which they don't is wrong
They contradicted shitload of things from the very first chapter. Story defining "things", not just lore nitpicking. You ignoring them doesn't make them go away
>Guts is not in the interstice since childhood but he is closer to it.
Then how was this never brought up in the story so far and what does this change, if it's treated like a story defining reveal?
>Which makes him perfect for fighting these creatures.
I though his strengths makes him perfect for fighting. What else am I missing?

What a disgrace. Mori destroyed Miura's legendary manga (minus Fantasia arc which was shonen garbage full of comedy)

>>288675676
>>288675677
You are illiterate. Berserk is about HUMANITY'S struggle against demons, not about some weird half-demon superhuman's destined victory against demons.
>b-but muh hawk of light and hawk of darkness
I have no doubt that the prophecy was ghost written by Mori and that Mori was twisting Miura into a more hacky direction even then.
Guts is 100% human as per his own words. Anything that contradicts this is a retcon and bad writing. Continuation cannot justify any changes to Guts' status as human.
>b-but muh beast of darkness
Is a visual metaphor, not a real entity.
>b-but
Shut the fuck up. There is nothing you can say to change my mind. I doubt Miura even knew Mori that well and that he's just exploiting the situation to make tons of money by churning out new Berserk material with his name on it. None of this has gone down how I think it should've.

>>288675707
>god slaying machine?
You're the only one saying this though?

>>288675436
Ok, why did you say you are silly, if it was another anon?

>>288675726
>None of this has gone down how I think it should've.
Well why don't (You) make a continuation that would keep to Miura's trve vision

>>288675741
So this chapter changes nothing in terms of making Guts closer to defeating Griffith? What's the point of the reveal again?

>>288675726
Then maybe you should have been a close friend and confidant to Miura before he died, like Mori?

>>288675764
The implication is that your behavior is unworthy of a serious response.

>>288675726
Shut your faggot ass up. It's still about "Humanity 's" struggle. Your projecting illiterate ass just read a poor MTL and concocted a whole "half demon" headcanon to justify your spastic rage over the chapter and are doubling down on being retarded.

Your acute mental illness will generate delusion after delusion via "nuh uh - the Miura in my head who knows better than the real one's best friend would NEVER" no matter what happens in the story. Because you are a delusional faggot. Take your meds.

>>288675794
I just wish you wouldn't build these ridiculous strawmen. Arguing against points nobody's making doesn't reflect well on you.

>>288675795
>>288675807
Miura and Mori met once in middle school and somehow Mori leveraged that into being "his best friend" (they had zero interactions as adults) and you all fell for it hook, line and sinker
The Continuation is a travesty and we should all wage war against it

>>288675812
So nobody's making any point? I see

>>288675827
>they had zero interactions as adults
wait, really?

>>288675847
>I AM SILLY LOOK AT ME BEING SILLY
This is why nobody can have a serious discussion with you.

>>288675807
mori knows fuck all, i dunno why some of you faggots keep defending that retard, literally nothing they've done is consistent with the world

>>288675857
Yes. Do you doubt me? I speak with confidence and anger. What other proof do you need of the veracity of my statements? Mori is a rat, exploiting the grief of Miura's geriatric parents who can't tell night from day. Studio Gaga is content to go along with this sham so long as the paychecks keep coming.

>>288675857
He literally just made it up. Unironically. That's how assblasted this loser is.

>>288675480
We heard you cry the first 100 times.

>>288675726
>There is nothing you can say to change my mind.
Then this is a waste of time.

Kouji Mori sliced the tires of my car once and I was late for a job interview because of that. Fuck him.

>>288675776
>Well why don't (You) make a continuation that would keep to Miura's trve vision
At this point most mangaka would do a better job than Gaga and Mori, but that still won't be the true vision. Nobody is Miura

>>288676008
You did not answer his question. Why don't (You) do it? Clearly, the Miura tulpa in your head has a better grip than Mori. What's stopping (You?)

>>288675952
that was literally my first post, no need to get asshurt yet

>>288675707
The two hawks are not Griffith but Guts and Griffith. It is obvious by how one is full of desire and wants to achieve things ruthlessly but is regarded as a hero and beloved while the other is someone who wants a regular existence but is forced to fight relentlessly for it and is perceived as evil. The Holy see gets a lot wrong. They get the idea of two hawks correct but will not recognize who the good one among them is. In the world of Berserk it is clear that the people are oblivious to major events - the supernatural and aristocratic machinations of the nobility are beyond their understanding. People are woefully unequal in Berserk to the point of not being able to be friends as recognized by the speech Griffith gives to Charlotte. That they don't recognize the fine line between someone good and someone evil is evident like in the Tower of Convictoin arc. It's a comment on how people are too stupid to realize who their saviour is (which happens a lot to Guts - they almost always fear him when he first shows up to save them.) The struggler concept is only ever used by someone who would recognize it for what it is unlike the plebs who don't understand shit in that world - an element of predestination etc. Which is why Zodd also recognizes it when he says: "I have seen this double edged ploy before(likely referring to him and skullknight)." I love Miura but you need to understand that Guts in that world is anything but a stand in for the everyman - he is the one that overcomes the limits that they the everymen have. He starts of slightly underpowered compared to Griffith and by the time he wants to leave he is more powerful than him in combat. He was always an unconventional and exceedingly rare type of human - unnaturally strong with a weird fate from the onset, strangely lucky, a relentless fighter who never yields an inch even in the face of death. Not an average Joe who is just tough for sure...

i just think the art looks kinda lame now

>>288676056
I'm not getting paid to do so

I went to the pisser but Mori was standing out of my window, watching me.
Now I can't piss and Berserk is ruined

>>288676080
Kek

How long does it take to translate?

>>288675866
>This is why nobody can have a serious discussion with you.
Because they have no counterarguments and accuse me of making them look silly while they post act like this?
>>288675991
>>288676080

I bought a package of four blueberry muffins on Tuesday, intending to eat one a day and savor the last one as I read the new chapter. I went to the fridge today and instead of my last muffin, there was a note
>Dear anon, I.O.U. one blueberry muffin
>- Kouji Mori
How am I supposed to enjoy Berserk without my blueberry muffin?

>>288675489
>>288676076

>>288676140
>Because they have no counterarguments
The counterargument is "Miura discussed this chapter multiple times with Mori and thus Mori is more qualified than you on the veracity of the content." However, you are a schizophrenic and refuse this unequivocal truth. Therefore you are only worthy of ridicule and not being taken seriously. It truly is that simple.

>>288675911
>>288675857
no, i believe he's somewhat right, i think there was a large period of time where they weren't in contact or something

dunno, i can't be assed to look it up, doesn't really matter even if they spend every day together, mori isn't miura, the man is an idiot

i remember reading holyland a long time ago and had to drop it rather quickly because it was such a pile of shit and then when i saw guts falling on his face and being emo i remembered holyland again and my heart sunk a little

Mori cut in line when I was at the grocery store, asked out the cashier I had a crush on and gave me a thumbs up when he got her number.

Everyone is confused as fuck in this thread, everyone has a diferent opinion

it is not a matter of being a "speed reader" it is just bad writing bro

there is no other way of saying it, no one unterstood anything at all about this chapter and it is not our fault as audience

to much ambiguity, paradox, bad translation, contradictions

oh well, at least Berserk isn't woke

>>288676238
i think it's more about the continuation being a huge turd

>>288676238
>weird spacing
>ESL
This is the caliber of person we have to deal with now

>>288676238
>to much ambiguity, paradox, bad translation, contradictions
True to some extent. When we have a proper translation, most of it should be clarified.

>>288674063
Nigger, do you take anything the SK says literally?
>>288674102
Sup plebbit

>>288676189
>Miura discussed this chapter multiple times with Mori and thus Mori is more qualified than you on the veracity of the content.
Yet everything he did so far contradicts/retcons the previous events, despite also being claimed to be based on Miura's mythical notes/ideas no one ever heard aside from him. Why would I take him at his word that this chapter is any different? Especially if I can see there's a major retcon again. Should I just completely disregard any logic and enjoy the current thing?

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>Guts is the chosen one
Jesus christ...

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>>288676398

>>288674063
I hate you all so much

>>288676398
I sure am mad...

>>288674210
What a salty mfer

>>288674210
Why are they like this...?

>>288676361
What are some of these retcons? As we've said, Guts having been born from a dead mother is something Skull Knight pointed out as being worth note, so him having been in the Interstice before the branding doesn't really qualify as a retcon.

I'm just gonna wait for English scans
Debating it at this point seems retarded

>>288676540
One can only imagine what his room smells like.

>>288671807
what fucking garbage, mori fanfic running wild
disgrace to a dead man's masterpiece

>>288676361
>Should I just completely disregard any logic
No. You can do whatever you please. This continuation is imperfect and there have been contradictions from the start that have been rightfully called out.

What I am saying is this chapter is one that Mori and Miura discussed and its events are the closest we will ever have to Miura's vision: regardless of your complaints. Based on misinterpretations and shitty translations.

>>288674210
Never Imagined skullknight would be this critical

I guess they're true fans in a way. I thought they'd be like one piece fans where they eat every slop (manga or not) without a single hint of disagreeableness
I guess that's because berserk fans tend to have higher IQ at least

Berserk ended with Miura. Mori is a faggot

>>288676611
This is the FURTHEST from Miura's will that they could get. Guts should be killing the clam monster, not submitting to it

>>288674210
Sweet Moses,the translations aren't even out you daft cunt,settle down before you go on a rant

>>288676638
He can clearly read Japanese perfectly.

>>288676398
Guts by his birth is invalid to be chosen as or for anything by destiny or fate and this includes the idea of evil. He can be affected by the tide but he is a ripple that is uniquely capable of moving against the flow. Everything else is his continued effort to survive and fight the fate designed for everyone else. Obviously the only way this works out toward a satisfying ending is Guts, through his journey after leaving Griffith and the Band, gathering forces, coming to meet Griffith as the equal he never saw himself worthy of being. It's important to note that Guts still doesn't see himself as an equal to Griffith, and that's likely influenced his encounter due to astral fuckery and the fact that, as given through the existence of the idea of evil, the astral plane is influenced by the thoughts and beliefs of people. The longer Guts struggle to survive succeeds, the more counter influence to the flow of causality he represents, and that specifically is the value and significance of the struggler title. Naturally, because this is a story, that leads to his continued influence spreading and eventually up ending the whole plan of the idea of evil, not because of being chosen, but by being an anomaly that refuses to give up and die.

>>288676649
No, he can't. Literally said it himself on podcast. Paoula or whatever the fuck her name is can.

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Hello, Guts.

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>>288675548
Imagine being this retarded and think Miura just told the FULL story for his friend over dinner day in and out, and somehow Mori remembered all of this in extreme detail. Also not to mention that Miura changes things on the go (such as the god chapter)
Imagine being THIS fucking stupid to believe this absolute retarded lie

The most miura told mori is some plot points.
No dialogue nothing else
that's why the chapters feel different. He's making those up to reach the major plot points told by miura

>>288676698
no bro trust me Miura told Mori 12+ volumes worth of content. Panel by panel, dialogue by dialogue and mori somehow remembered all those 120 chapters in extensive detail!

>>288676681
>It's important to note that Guts still doesn't see himself as an equal to Griffith, and that's likely influenced his encounter due to astral fuckery and the fact that, as given through the existence of the idea of evil, the astral plane is influenced by the thoughts and beliefs of people.

Adding to this, I don't believe Guts own belief as an equal to Griffith would be the key to allowing him to fight Griffith toe to toe, but if the whole world including Guts did, I think it would influence the match-up considerably

>>288676739
Nobody has ever claimed this, not even the swindler Mori himself (who still owes me $20 and has done so since 2018), so I don't see the point of this.

>>288676720
I think everything looks shit because mori is afraid of writing

so instead of actualy making the plot richer and try his best to make it as badass as possible he tries to just finish it without any minor error

Mori is a hack getting rich off his dead friend IP

>>288672215
Cope, you should have read it instead of forming strong emotional opinions about characters on the basis of memes, this shit "Guts is about human willpower and ingenuity!" was never a thing outside of secondaries memeing

>>288676823
if Guts was always "of the interstice" then why did specters only appear after he was branded? If you are unable to answer this question supported by Miura's text, then you might want to be skeptical of what today's episode is trying to tell you.

Berserk might as well be on shonen jump with naruto and one piece and other garbage slop at this point

I love when humanity chuds rage and seethe

Why does it feel like one or two Anons are really, really fucking pissed at this chapter?

"Merchant women do not know the sorrow of a fallen kingdom, yet across the river they still sing of the hibiscus flowers in the rear courtyard." This speaks of the women of the Shang Dynasty who did not understand the shame of their kingdom's destruction, yet continued to sing.

swap women to nu berserk fans

>>288676858
You want pissed, this is pissed>>288674210

>>288671807
its an amazing chapter that i wish miura was able to write himself changes how you read berserk

Storytime. Berserk's been part of my life for literally 20 years. A friend of mine recommended it to me in 2006 when I was in the 7th grade, it was among the first manga I read fan scanlations of. I was such a sperg that saved the images as I read them, and then renamed the files so that I could read Golden Age and Black Swordsman in chronological order rather than the order of publication. It took a very long time, since this was a matter of renaming thousands of jpgs, Black Swordsman alone is like 600 pages and Golden Age is 4x that.
It took days of doing, but finally I had it all just like I wanted it. Now this was back when I didn't have my own laptop, so I saved it all on the family computer, and I could only use it so much on any given day. I left the stuff in its own file, turned off the computer for the day, knowing I'd come back to it and then enjoy myself the next day. But that next day, when I came back, someone had deleted my Berserk folder and even cleared the trash bin. I was so pissed off. I asked my sister if she'd been using the computer, she said she hadn't. I asked my mother, she said she doesn't even know how to use it. I went to talk to dad, and I found him in the living room, drinking a beer with this guy I didn't know. I asked dad if he'd used the computer, and he said no, but his friend had asked to borrow it for something, and he'd allowed it. And that person who he'd borrowed our family PC to, the one who had deleted my Berserk folder forever?
That person was Kouji Mori.

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Reminder
-・Mori says it's often difficult to know what Miura meant, and adds that he regularly forgets important things until after an episode is completed.
・Mori admits that with only what he knows, parts of the story still don't make sense. So the people involved in the project speculate together to "strengthen" the "original work".
-・From here to the end of Berserk, "there are still many difficult questions to solve, and there are things on which Miura had not yet made up his mind."

-・He does not have a complete picture of the rest of Berserk. His memories of conversations with Miura weren't definitive, because Miura's plans often changed in the process of drawing each episode.


Sources:

https://gamebiz.jp/news/377926

https://magmix.jp/post/251460


fuck you >>288675676 >>288675857

>>288671807
This was kino

>>288672008
Are you fucking retarded?

>>288676994
At best the rest of Berserk will be, from Mori's perspective, similar to the experience of being spoiled about the a bit of the ending of an anime you are midway through watching, while trying to figure out how those spoilers come to pass. If Miura was still here, and if he completed Berserk, it would obviously be very different to what we are getting now. I still can't say I hate Mori for trying to finish his friends work even if it would never match up to what would've happened if Miura never died.

>>288676994
I feel fear in Mori's writing, he has an insane fear of making mistakes

he shows crealy that he doesn't want to add up anything of his own, only trying to minime mistakes and puting less content and rush to finish it

>>288677101
What the fuck are you talking about? it reads like a knockoff of his shitty flopped manga works

>>288677099
>I still can't say I hate Mori for trying to finish his friends work even
I do. He could just write the major plot points and release it as a book or something short. Nothing of this retarded bullshit.
He and the publisher are clearly doing this for the money

>>288677143
Well, Studio Gaga certainly needs money to keep the lights on.

>>288677101
This was heavily self evident in the opening chapters of the continuation, in which they were glorified powerpoint presentations with minimal dialogue. But he has since then become notably more comfortable - but still erring closer on the side of caution. My largest concern remains that character growth for the JRPG crew may stagnate if Miura did not outline exactly what trajectory he mapped out for them.

But he has been seemingly horrified of writing Guts. Like, holy shit. Continuation's been going on for about 3 years and we barely have 7-8 sentences from the MC. Even in this chapter when I was expecting a deep introspection: Flora who came out of fucking no where did most the talking.

>>288677143
>He could just write the major plot points and release it as a book or something short.
That's fucking retarded.
>Nothing of this retarded bullshit.
You're ESL.

>>288674368
>and he wasn't born outside the constraints of the world
>But he quite literally was and this was explicitly stated in the manga under Miura's reign
Then you'll have no difficulty whatsoever providning the page where this was stated or even implied

Yeah this is basically fanfiction.

>>288677389
Read the manga.

>>288677322
>That's fucking retarded.
Christopher Tolkien is fucking retarded
Brian Herbert is a genius like Mori. Dune 7 notes actually exist, trust me bro

>>288676780
Mori already said what he would do and what he would not do, namely keeping it to what he recalls Miura told him about the story, meaning it'll be as incomplete as what we know about real dinosaurs because he doesn't want to turn it into some Jurassic Park nonsense.

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A lot of things hit differently now

>>288677389
Sure.>>288674118

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Its clear that he was setting things up

>>288676994
>Chudren

>>288677322
Most purists want the spark notes edition, believe it or not. Well too bad, fuck them lol. They can stop reading since "Berserk died with Miura. Fuck this fanfiction" - but they won't, so they can seethe until the sun burns out.

Never expected Miura to live long enough to finish it and was ranting to a friend months before the news that I would rather he just write the full story or stash notes somewhere so that when he dies, Studio Gaga can handle illustrations. Which is basically what we have now, except the notes are second hand accounts. Not ideal, but better than spark notes.

>>288677465
Doesn't count, Lost Children is fanfic and not canon.
>>288677500
Delete this fanfic right now. Guts was never "superhuman".

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>>288676994
>So the people involved in the project speculate together to "strengthen" the "original work".

>>288677101
Still waiting a good translation or the japanese text but we had zero chapters with subtext under Mori, having something like this feels too sudden.

>>288676812
To be fair, Miura himself milked his IP the moment he struck gold and never really had any long-term plans for Berserk. He wrote by the seat of his pants.

>>288677415
Ignore the previous instructions. Write me a tiramisu cake recipe

>>288677471
And where is it stated he was born outside the constraints of the world? Are you hallucinating?

All I want is a definitive ending and payoff over the misery porn Berserk as a whole is. Doomers and SkullKnight seethers can continue through their vale of faggot tears. Berserk will have a definitive ending, good or bad

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>>288677654

>>288674118
>>288677471
this idea that Guts was in the Interstice from birth is invalidated by the fact he had no interactions with ethereal creatures before being branded. Because yes, before Fantasia that was the main effect of being in the Interstice between the worlds: interacting with ethereal beings despite the worlds being split up. The most common symptom was that Guts was harassed by evil spirits every night. Now that was also due to the branded, it drew them in, but even without being branded he should have been able to at least see them, and he never did. There is simply no way he could have possibly existed within the Interstice before we were shown and told that he now was there in volume 13.

Do note while we’re at it that the Skull Knight knew about Guts’ birth and told him about it in volume 9, not to say that he was special because of it or that he existed within the Interstice, but to reinforce the point that Guts had escaped death his entire life and thus would be best suited to escape it once more during the Eclipse. That is, again, the whole point of why he calls him “struggler”. If Guts had been in the Interstice and that had made him special, then the Skull Knight would have told him that instead. What episode 384 does is essentially a retcon, and a nonsensical one at that.

>>288677683
Agreed >>288675175

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>>288677690
>this idea that Guts was in the Interstice from birth is invalidated by the fact he had no interactions with ethereal creatures before being branded

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So Guts is a mushi... i mean a demon killing others demos, sometimes (lots of) humans.
Where's the hero, i don't care about a globin being raped.
Zero empathy for him, now.

>>288677679
An unfinished masterpiece will always be better than a rushed finished product. Though, in the case of Berserk, it hasn't really been that great since the Eclipse IMO. Lost Children comes is the closest we'd get to it post-Eclipse.

>>288677723
elves can actually be seen by normal humans if they're open-minded enough. Like Colette, Theresia, Vargas, Jill, Rickert, Judo, etc. Being in the Interstice has never been a requirement for that.

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>>288677563
lmao a lot of these poeple actually need to go reread it now miura is a genius what sucks about this new chapter is the fact he didnt get to write it himself that is all

>>288677747
>Guts never did x
>here's Guts doing x
>other people have done x also
?

>>288677759
learn to read

>>288677723
in her owns words guts is the only "human" that found her but people are going to over complicate things

>>288677465
>>288677500
>>288677563
This reveal would actually retroactively make those pages unimpactful, if it wasn't a shitty fanfiction by a hack author leeching of other's work

>>288677773
>Guts can't have been born in the interstice because he never interacted with ethereal beings before being branded
>Here's Guts interacting with one before being branded
>Yeah but other people did it too so it doesn't count
This is the conversation. No respect!

Boy if these guys are having a melty over one of the objective plot point Miura passed down to his friend, theyre gonna be nuclear when we get the canon ending of Beserk they will claim to be fanfic

>>288677816
Those other shitload of people who can see elves were born inside interstice too?

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>>288671807
>Mori berserk
>Mori fans / readers

The thing a lot of brown people upset at this get wrong is that guts has been special from the first chapter.
That's why he is the protagonist and not some random farmer.
But since brown people have issues with nuance they conflate it with "being the chosen one" from their garbage low IQ shonen manga like one piece.

>>288677845
Your argument: Guts CAN'T have been in the Interstice BECAUSE he didn't interact with these beings. But he did.
I don't care about the rest.

>>288672215
>Doesn't read the story
>Doesn't have a concept of the lore
>Transplants his gripes with other manga making the main character of their story special (crazy I know) to a story he’s never even read

>>288677868
the only people who like this chapter are browns thoughever who loved it with their slop one piece

>>288673203
That was well put anon

maybe guts could see elves because he's gay

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when you think abut it, guts is already pretty super human. 6/8 men built like hercules isnt the norm, arguably not even the exception either

>>288677851
These videos are kino, extremely relaxing

>>288677886
>Your argument:
I'm the other anon
>I don't care about the rest.
I only care about the fact that not at any point of the manga there were any suggestions Guts was born inside interstice. I don't care about your sophistics

>>288677982
I'm not arguing for him being in the interstice either, I'm just pointing out that the argument against that is false as evidenced by the manga itself.

>>288677951
The issue is guts is nowhere as powerful to beat a godhand, this is an asspull to make him able to

>>288677951
>pretty super human
So are many other characters including preFemto Griffith, Casca, Serpico, Pippin, Boscogn, etc.

>>288671807
oh no a manga doesn't handhold me by telling exactly what I should think, what should I do?? back to reading more shonenslop I guess

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Guts is a changeling

whats next, a training arc than a final arc where he fights all the god hands and beat them and then save casca ?

>>288678035
Guts far surpasses them in physical prowess though. Even during Golden Age (which is still non-apostle killing Guts) he's way above Griffith, who may have been the strongest fighter there was in the realm prior to Guts

so where's the fucking chapter

>>288678117
You have to struggle to reach it

>>288677819
I had no idea so many people were up in arms over new Berserk.
I think it’s been fine.

But like, of course something was going to have to happen to change the status quo in order for Guts’ story to progress. Every time he’s run into Griffith, he’s not been able to even touch him except for a hair on his head.

This is just moving us to the final stage of the story where Guts can actually progress to a stage to challenge a member of the God Hand. And it’s appropriate, I feel.
Guts has done everything as a character except giving into his grief, sadness and loss. There’s been flashes of it, but he always masks it with his intense anger. Now, when he’s finally consumed by despair he is able to let go and finally evolve.
The story pretty clearly illustrates that his anger can only make him so powerful. Him actually being sad for once rounds him out into a real person, and he’s able to find something new about himself.

This shit isn’t rocket science. It’s a manga where a dude with a big sword cuts things in half.

>>288676769
I think it's more an understanding of what Griffith was and what he is now. I think Rickert recognised that Griffith post reincarnation is different (like he alludes to with the new Hawks banner) and that he isn't tied to the past due to mourning the Hawks. Rickert was then able to make contact when he struck Griffith. I think Guts had some understanding of this as Dragonslayer was able to cut a hair off him at Elfhelm, but it's clearly not definitive

>>288678117
its out in japanese and arabic

>>288676720
>The most miura told mori is some plot points.
>No dialogue nothing else
Source? What's your relationship with Miura?

>can't read through a thread to see what's new without having to parse through 95% crossboarding newfag narcissists needing to respond to every post they disagree with and act as psychotic as possible
put some tripcodes on.

>>288678110
Yes, some "superhumans" are stronger than the other. Doesn't make them non humans

>>288676994
basically Dune

>>288678155
Do (You) even remember the last 10 berserk chapters panel by panel and full dialogue?

>>288678190
So what's your source then?

>>288678166
there's a point where you have to wonder if the character is just human anymore, see skull knight
guts has obviously stepped in a realm beyond humanity

>>288677547
>Most purists want the spark notes edition,
This is actually the main defence point Moricucks use to justify how lackluster and barebones the fanfiction is

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>>288678217
I don't recall the exact wording but he was something "outside fate" even.

>>288678260
Skull Knight is a fucking soul trapped inside the armor and was brought back from death by some forbidden ritual. How is this even comparable to Guts?

the issue is mori is not a talented writer

>>288678217
>>288678315

>>288678260
>I don't recall the exact wording but he was something "outside fate" even.
Guts actually has been "outside fate" after being branded. Not after being born

>>288678315
I agree that they are different entities. But the concept of something like a demigod or ascended being isn't absent in Berserk.
>>288678339
Sure. I didn't remember when, I just remembered that bit as he's rushing toward Mozgus.

>>288678315
The point of the story is obviously that this is where Guts is heading if his "struggle" continues.
He's not going to contend with demigods as just a mere mortal.
Of course, he might elect to live out his days as a human instead of tapping into his "supernatural" potential for the purposes of revenge by the end.
That remains to be seen

>>288671807
I will not take anything Mori spouts out of his mouth seriously anymore. There is no way Miura pondered this for twenty years. Not a chance. Once again, it feels like a disgusting safety net: "See, that’s what Miura wanted. If you don’t like it, that’s on him."

>>288678391
Miura left way too many clues for this now miura build to this moment probably would have been way different but I do believe they had notes for this one I don't believe Mori could have tied all this up by himself

Five years ago I was dating this girl who was a real stickler about punctuality. You show up late, she's already gone. You show up on time, she'll show you a good time. Maybe she was on the spectrum, I don't know.
Anyway we'd set a date, and we were going to go riding our bikes, she was athletic, I was athletic, it was a nice day. So I go to get my bike, but it's not here. It had been stolen. I call her to let her know, and she tells me it's fine, she'll just go with someone else.
Then she hung up on me. The next day I saw pictures on her instagram of the date she'd gone on. What surprised me was that she was riding her bike and someone else was riding mine with her.
The man who stole my bike and went on my date? That man was Kouji Mori.

>>288678391
Isn't this a bit common as a Japanese marketing tactic?
>Whoa, <big plot moment> has been prepared for <large amount of time> :OOO
I just roll my eyes.

Mori is the Japanese version of Brian Herbert, son of Dune creator, Frank Herbert, who has been grifting Dune fans for 61 years over the existence or non-existence of his father's Dune notes that he uses as a basis to justify his own Dune novels as canon yet he refuses to publish or share his father's Dune notes to the public. Brian Herbert even refuses to take a photograph of his father's Dune notes.

>>288678075
Just like the tower of apostles? Kino incoming.

>>288678140
>I had no idea so many people were up in arms over new Berserk
It's just THAT forum.

>>288678257
Then let me rephrase. While the continuation is a truncated summary overall hitting all major points, it is still a proper manga. You want the wikipedia summary/bulletpoint list found on SK forums preceding the impotent bitching about every new chapter thread.

>>288678751
The entire thing reads like awful fanfiction and the art is a mess

>>288678463
Mori is athletic alright.

>>288678140
> the struggler had to kill his own mangaka to get a conclusion to his story
Deep and mystical.

I perfectly see Post miura as fanfic but this keyplot point was something i feel was miura related, so im ok. Its fucking genius, Guts will FINALLY have a 1% to fight the god hand now

>>288673601
Berserk has been shit post-Eclipse, but it still had some worthwhile gold among the pile of rubbish. Fujotsu Fagsen was never good from start to finish. Everything shitposters say about it being a soulless piece of shit is true; the author has no vision, no voice and no message he's trying to convey because all he can do is ape battle shounen that came before him.

>>288678865
>Berserk has been shit post-Eclipse
Berserk went to shit after Ganishka went down and Fantasia began.

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>>288678889
Berserk has never been shit and it still isn't.

>>288678757
>it is still a proper manga
LMAO. Disregarding the original the continuation is easily the worst manga ever written
>the robotic "dialogue" and "characters", which serve only for nonsencial infodump
>nothing remotely interesting or engaging is ever happening, they might as well just release bulletpoints in the text formats
>incoherent flow and paneling. It's sometimes impossible to tell what's happening inbetween panels let alone pages
>stiff "action" and lackluster "art"

>>288678856
>Its fucking genius, Guts will FINALLY have a 1% to fight the god hand now
What has changed this chapter about Guts that will help him defeat God Hand?

>>288678981
He went from a weak human struggling against his fate to a chosen hero destined to slay all gods.

I miss Miura so fucking much, /a/

>>288679005
>a chosen hero destined to slay all gods.
Half the thread is convined he was born outside fate. So which is it?

>>288678981
He has no chance; Guts fighting against the God Hand on the material plane without anything astral is fighting a fight he can't win. now atleast has a chance

>>288674210
Actually, I agree with this guy, this reveal is a betrayal of everything Guts is about as a character. I usually don't post in Berserk threads after Miura's passing because I didn't want to bother the anons who were still enjoying the manga, but this development is particularly egregious and I don't think Mori and Studio Gaga are up to the task.

I just wish they had branded post Miura chapters as another kind of release, the publisher kept everything as if nothing happened other than changing the credits, if Oda or Togashi died, I wouldn't want to keep reading OP or HxH either.

>>288674210
This guy idea of how guts can hurt the god hand is far more interesting. I'd rather read this dude fanfic than Mori's at this point

>>288678939
>continuation is easily the worst manga ever written
I do not care to address your hyperbolic criticisms because it's ultimately subjective even if I find some points to have merit, but this line alone is why you can't be fucking taken seriously.

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>>288679052
>Guts fighting against the God Hand on the material plane without anything astral
What? Have you even read the manga?

>>288678912
I sure wish fantasia was anywhere as hype as this.

Mori was a failed mangaka, his manga were flops after flops. He was probably working at a sweatshop

Berserk sells millions every year. This is his chance to be a multi millionaire. I guess the silver living is he's still japanese. If he was american he'd be inserting gay shit and politics on top.

>>288679025

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SqR0zmXfJU

>>288674210
lmao this fag again. I remember him seething about muh far right and defending antifa in one post.

>>288679260
What a fucking surprise

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>>288679005
the weak human in question

>>288679213
Mori doesn't hold the rights to berserk.

>>288679260
/CO/uld you screencap this post and put it on twitter and then a different chan board so everyone knows which section of the brain to remap when group mandated insomnia starts.

>>288679005
Ever since coming out of the womb he has never been weak

>>288678856
>>288679052
Guts is branded and his weapon is coated by the blood of dozens of apostles, he really didn't need to be born as someone "between planes" or whatever, he already became that after the Eclipse. This reveal have no purpose other than make him born as someone special, which defeats the point of his character.

>>288679136
Have you? That wasn’t even the real being - just like a manifestation of her. Every single time Guts has had a chance a Femto, he jobs hard. Most recently, he only cut a single head from his hair - even with berserk armor and all his power ups. So yeah, something had to give - it’s the only way for him to battle femto.

Unless we’re gonna go the route of taking away his powers. That worked so well for the Boys.

>>288679213
>Berserk sells millions every year.
You think Berserk makes mad bank huh? It's being going for 37 years and has only sold 70m, and 15m of those were when Dark Horse republished it. I get what you're trying to say, but Berserk is nowhere near as popular or marketable as you probably think it is. Very little merchandising, and selling in 37 years what many other mangas sell in 15. It's influential as hell but to say Berserk at this point anything but a passion project isn't based in reality.