Why was Casca introduced as a hoe who sleeps naked with Guts to share body heat and revive him if in the end she was supposed to get mind broken by a little sex with Femto?I initially assumed she was the fuck-toy of the Band of Hawks
>>288692456What does this question mean
>>288692492if she's whore enough to sleep with anyone then why get butthurt over Femto getting his turn?
>>288692456>I initially assumed she was the fuck-toy of the Band of Hawks
>>288693072You mean a whore?
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>>288692456femto was a demon. it was meant to be a betrayal, the rape symbolized the raping of his love for humanity, casca, guts and the band of the hawk; he 'ascended' but he gave up everything.
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>>288694190>>288694209>>288694223>>288694237there's already a dump thread
>>288694253>>288694258dead dump thread, FTFY
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>GATTS SAMA>YOU ARE THE CHOSEN ONECould they not figure out a better way to dole this information out so it doesnt read as the most fucking generic anime plot ever
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Berserk used to mean something to me. Back in the day, I read a lot of fantasy novels. Started with Tolkien, then moved on to Dragonlance and Legend of Drizzt. Berserk was basically everything I ever wanted in a fantasy story, but also looked amazing, and had sexy bitches in it.My friends and I started a D&D group and we tried to homebrew a fantasy setting with a lot of inspiration from Berserk, lots of two-handed weapons and contracts with demons. Not like a literal fanfic, just a ton of inspiration. I ended up becoming the GM. There were three of us who built it up, and five players total. One of the five was my friend's hot sister, who wore these round dorky glasses, had a tight ass in tight jeans, a decent rack and who was all over the whole D&D thing and whenever we talked about the campaign she talked about how she wanted to run a Vampire the Masquerade campaign for us, said she'd been working on it for months and months.We sometimes played D&D all weekend, at my insistence, so we could finish ASAP and get to her thing. Once our campaign was finished, we agreed, all five of us, that we'd do her VtM thing next. I was thinking of asking her out. Then her brother tells me that sorry, we already filled out all the spots, and I wasn't invited. I asked why. He told me they had to cut someone out to make room for the new guy, and since I'd sort of kept pushing everyone too hard, they didn't think I was all that fun to play with anymore.I saw the five of them together one day, at school. They were sitting together at lunch. I went there, but they said the seats were all taken and told me to go spend some time with other people for a while. The new guy looked me in the eye and winked a little.His name was Kouji Mori.
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>>288694408GUTS AND GRIFFITH FUSED TOGETHER TO FIGHT ZODD?!
>>288694383>AI sloppa story>AI sloppa memesThe absolute state of Nuserk
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>>288694495>chainsawman
>>288694511>frieren
Reading Berserk for the first time.Just finished the Eclipse arc.Is it worth going on? Seems this is the big thing the manga wanted to tell, is the rest going to be as interesting or does it just drag on and on telling the same story and theme?
>>288694387behold, the raped
>>288694550>>288694567>retard
>>288694600>seethingKek lurk for at least 2 years
>>288694592don't read it further if you're this much of a faggot
>>288694592Yeah man, The Eclipse was pretty much the climax. After that it's just>Guts makes new friends>one of them betrays him>new Eclipse everyone dies in>Guts makes new friends...etc. it's as repetitive as One Piece honestly
>>288694640>speedreader
>>288694592It does drag on, but only in terms of the action sequences which I just speedread. The dialogue scenes are more interesting anyway. The rest of the story is 100% worth reading. Don't be one of those people that watch the 87 anime and think that is the entire story. Everything up to the eclipse is only 25% of the story so far.
>>288694592The conviction arc after the Eclipse (Vol. 15-21) is the peak of the manga and emulates the feeling that you had reading most of Golden Age. The arc even ends with Guts riding off into the sunset with the girl, it's a very good stopping point.Afterwards the manga turns into a zero stakes shonen with no consequences and monster of the week nonsense that meanders around with no veritable conclusion.
>Berserk volume 1>(ja) 232 pages>(en) 224 pages why do we get fewer pages English bros?
>>288694408>Griffith a chosen one>Guts a chosen one>Both fuse into one being. The only thing capable of defeating the Idea of Evil!!!>MINA IKUZO!!! KURAEE!!!! HISSATSU NO WAZA!!! ZANMAKEN!!!!
>>288694387>WAAAH GUTS IS NOT MAGICAL! He just WILLS a lot to have super strenght, and his WILL would defeat the MAGIC WILL that the guys MANIPULATING REALITY use, but like IN A NOT SUPERNATURAL WAY!!! IGNORE THAT MAGIC IN BERSERK IS ABOUT USING WILL TO CHANGE SHAPE REALITY"Seriously....how this nigga want Guts to defeat Griffiths without pumping up the magical juice? As I said, "will" is just magic in Berserk, specially with the planes all mixed.
>>288695455>how this nigga want Guts to defeat Griffiths without pumping up the magical juice?The curent chapter confirms the juice was already there since he was born and it didn't help him>He just WILLS a lot to have super strenghtHe just trained a lot>and his WILL would defeat the MAGIC WILL that the guys MANIPULATING REALITY useThat's where the fanfiction is heading towards>IGNORE THAT MAGIC IN BERSERK IS ABOUT USING WILL TO CHANGE SHAPE REALITYMagic existing doesn't make everyone a magician automatically. But everyone can be trained to be the one. Just like Guts trained to be one of the strongest warriors. Guts has zero experience or interest in using magic
>>288695455>"will" is just magic in BerserkIt's more about imagination actually
>>288694592Only gets better
Start paying attention
Now that Griffith exists in human form again after the incarnation ceremony, does that mean Femto no longer exists?Or do both exist at the same time?
>Gut's Will, and from helping everyone he's met along the way, will rewrite the global consciousness imprinted in humankind, and thus the Idea of Evil that exists due to humanitie's pessimism will perish in the final battle against Guts, leading to a new era reigned by the Idea of Hope...>After this final battle against God, Guts becomes a wandering hobo or perhaps an office workerSasuga.....
>>288695797Mori's fanfiction doesn't count so stop posting it.
Illiterate niggers really misread this entire chapter. They really think the entire corpse birth thing means he is le chosen one. No, guts didn't get a power up or something. It isn't what this is about. On the last few chapters few, Guts problem is that he despairs and wallows over how nothing he has ever done seems to matter and it was his fate to lose against Griffith and die. In this chapter, Flora didn't tell him that he was chosen to fight Griffith and all evil or something it's just that since he has prevailed against fate and death at the moment of his birth, he exist beyond its control and has walked between two realms ever since. Flora simply shows him that just like Griffith, he can carve his own fate as he exists beyond fate this he can keep fighting and achieve his dream if he truly wanted it. It's not something Mori made up either, as it was already hinted at during the golden age arc.
>>288695797Repeatedly asking Schierke if she has a pussy under there and laughing as she gets all flustered!
>>288695455Shut up idiot
if the Idea of Evil exists naturally an Idea of Good must exist as well
>>288695840>>Gut's Will, and from helping everyone he's met along the way, will rewrite the global consciousness imprinted in humankind, and thus the Idea of Evil that exists due to humanitie's pessimism will perish in the final battle against Guts, leading to a new era reigned by the Idea of Hope...I hope this is true because it means Guts is the real falcon of light all along as he brought hope to everyone across Midland and save them from the falcon of darkness that is Griffith.
>>288695797>EVERYONE LOOK SHE SAYS HE'S LIKE SUPER STRONG AND SHIT LIKE EVERYONE IN THE MANGA HAS ALREADY NOTED 1000 TIMES BEFORE >THAT MEANS HE'S A GOD-LIKE BEING JUST LIKE GRIFFITH BUT HE JUST NEED TO HEAR FROM A RANDOM WOMAN IT TO ACTUALLY BECOME ONE
>>288695884>Flora simply shows him that just like Griffith, he can carve his own fateYou are a moron, Guts is the exact opposite of Griffith. Griffith was destined to become Femto and he followed his fate he never struggled against it.
>>288695797>or...
>>288695978>Guts is the exact opposite of GriffithGuts was following his fate just like Griffith did up to the point where Griffith becomes a god and Guts becomes a branded sacrifice. Both break free from the reigns of fate. But I agree, after that he's nothing like Griffith
>STRUGGLER>STRUGLE>SUFFERINGBerserk = Mein Kampf CONFIRMED
>>288695921>In the beginning there was Nothing...>And from Nothing's womb she bore two sons...>Good and Evil...>The two brothers waged war for countless of years to the point of exhaustion...>Eventually they needed avatars to fight each other...>Guts!!! You are the Avatar of good!!! The same as Griffith being the Avatar of evil!!!
>>288695884You can't expect doomer tourists on /a/ to actually understand the things they're bitching about. >>288695921Reread the chapter bro. This isn't some fairy tale dialectics. The Idea of Evil is the ultimate force in the world of Berserk, the shitty humans wanted a reason for why it was so shitty so the Idea of Evil came into being in the deepest nethers of the Astral Realm and proceeded to keep the world shitty.
For everyone to have a different perspective shows you that it's a great chapter even if it's fanfiction
>>288695978And as Femto he started carving fate to his own design. What I mean is that Flora said guts too, can do what Griffith do even if it take tons of more pain and effort. Before his ascendance, Griffith is still bound by fate that is to activate the behelith but he didn't think he is, he thought he can carve his own fate by his own two hands. Meawnhile Guts was living by his own will since day one. That is why Griffith was enamoured by him, he ironically saw Guts as another guy like him who exists beyond fate.
>>288695884>Flora didn't tell him that he was chosen to fight GriffithShe told him picreleated, which completely contradicts Skull Knight's words after the Eclipse. She also says this makes him the same as Griffith, a god-like being, implying now after knowing this (despite the concept of interstice being already explained to Guts by Skull Knight) he has the ability to fight him
>>288696290>implying now after knowing thisJust because you infer something doesn't mean it was implied. Griffith has become tangible after his rebirth though.
>>288696068I wonder if Hitler or his higher ups would like berserk or would they just think that it is just a jewish degeneracy?
>>288695884>he can carve his own fate as he exists beyond fateNot since birth>it was already hinted at during the golden age arcThis doesn't hint at anything other than Guts being destined to be good at escaping death wich is the opposite of existing beyond fate. Everyhing else is your confirmation bias
>>288692456Someone explains something to meHow does half of Guts belong to Griffith when the whole point of this fight is Guts getting his freedom and leaving Griffith?
>>288696318>Griffith has become tangible after his rebirth thoughAgreed. But GaGa/Mori have another opinion on that
>>288696446Guts literally cut some of his hair in this fight though
>>288696290I do love it when fanfiction directly contradicts what the author wrote
>>288696320i think he would like it and attribute the demons to jews but might drop it and call it jewish once guts gets cucked.
>>288692456>I initially assumed she was the fuck-toy of the Band of HawksNo??They were basically a family,you wouldn't fuck your sister
>>288696493That's just le ebin reference, nothing more
the nigga's ear been pointy since the start bruh, he ain't fully human no cap fr fr ongthe blud is a diddy elf
>>288696511Thanks, I was searching for this
>>288696559>Guts can't touch him>but he just did>DOESN'T COUNT
>>288696290>Griffith, a god-like being, implying now after knowing this (despite the concept of interstice being already explained to Guts by Skull Knight) he has the ability to fight himFantasia means what used to be intangible become tangible as Griffith (and skull knight) destroyed the barrier keeping the two realms apart and Slan herself that they aren't gods. The two realms being merged might means that there is finally a way to kill the god hands physically, I mean skull knight did got four of them before.
>>288696640Did he? Or do they just cycle out regularly?
>>288696541Hitler would like the fight scene and the general artstyle and commission an edit to turn guts into a blonde Aryan man and remove the rape scenes. Meanwhile Il Duce will simply like it as it is and fap to every rape and nude scenes.
>>288696776Hitler would probably unironically prefer the peaceful scenes on Elfhelm to everything else
>>288696700I mean how come void hasn't been replaced after 1000 years? Also his behelith sword was made to counter void's control of space.
>>288696640>Fantasia means what used to be intangible become tangible It means things that resided in the deeper levels of the world are now resurfacing. I'm not denying they becomes tangible>skull knight did got four of them beforeNice headcanon
>>288696827If they replace one per cycle and he ascended in the scene with four members we haven't seen yet, that sort of implies he's next on the chopping block.
>>288696797Idk, guts fight scenes fit his whole eternal struggle philosophy and I think he will also like the desing of the castles and cities, especially golden age Midland. But yeah, the peaceful elfheim arc will definitely be his favorite arc.
>>288696439>How does half of Guts belong to GriffithMaybe something to do with the whole sacrifice thing and his obsession to kill him ever since?
>>288696511Yeah, this is exactly what I thought. Once you are branded, causality no longer applies. You'll almost certainly die from all the baddies, but you could continue to persist just as Guts, Casca, and the Skull Knight have been doing.
>>288697011I know about the fucking sacrifice. Yes, Guts lost the first duel resulting in him joining Griffith since he wagered his freedom. The point is Guts wasn't Griffith to sacrifice in the first place. The rest of the Band of the Hawk didn't decide to leave and try to be their own men. They stayed loyal to Griffith. The only reason Guts came back was to rescue Griffith. Griffith doesn't own Guts anymore after the second duel since he lost to Guts.
>>288696827>I mean how come void hasn't been replaced after 1000 years?There should be always 5 membersyear 0 - Void replaces the 1st oldest memberyear 216 - Slan (I don't know the exact order) replaces the 2nd oldest memberyear 432 - Conrad replaces the 3rd oldest memberyear 648 - Ubik replaces the 4th oldest memberyear 864 - Femto replaces the 5th oldest memberyear 1080 - someone replaces Void if the cycle isn't brokenVoid's age is the same as Skull Knight's which should be approximately 1000 years old. Void's age before becoming a God hand member is like 30-60 years since he was an influencial sage. So Void's current age in the manga is 900-930 years which is in line with Skull Knight's approximate age. That's how he wasn't cycled out yet>made to counter void's control of space.But it didn't counter Femto's contol of space. No reason to assume Void's any different
I've rearranged my volumes so volume 1 starts with the golden age arc because Griffith's betrayal is more shocking nowyou all should do the same
>>288696827Void was the Femto of his time, clearly the most prominent of the godhand, that's why they also implied that he had a personal relation to the SK. This is before Miura died BTW. It's a cycle, even the SK had that one important lover.
>>288697924>they also implied that he had a personal relation to the SKI assumed he had betrayed Skull Knight and raped his wife just like Femto did with Guts and Casca
>>288696290>She also says this makes him the same as Griffith, a god-like beingAt no point such a thing is said or even implied.
>Incarnation Ceremony happens once every thousand yearsI wonder who got incarnated during Skull Knight's human days
>Guts is going to turn into super beast of darkness saiyan 2 and cut Femto in halflol
>>288692456Well you see it's because she put the lime in the coconut and she drank it all up
>>288695884That makes Guts a chosen one you dumb nigger since both Griffith and Guts are outside of the realm of causality.The idea of evil or God literally says to Griffith do as you will, your will is my will.Here Flora says Guts since the day he was born resides in the astral realm and in the mortal one that he encapsulates every essence aka EVERYTHING. Then we finish the chapter by again reminding us that Guts is like Griffith special. Guts isn't your random nobody that escaped misfortunes out of sheer will, he is a being that lives outside the will of god.
>>288698594How else was Berserk going to end? Guts has to kill Griffith. You can't tell me that Griffith can just walk away after all he did.
>Griffith became Femto to destroy the God Hand and the Idea of Evil from the inside
>>288698699Griffith is not at all outside of the realm of causality he is literally the main product of it. As for Guts this chapter contradicts way too many stuff that was stated before so for me it's just dogshit writing.
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>>288698827Missing: god-like being
>>288698701I had no fucking idea, but the point of this chapter was to show that Guts actually has a chance now to fuck Griffith over since they now share nature. Reminds me of that chapter of Naruto when the old sage told Sasuke and Naruto they were both different sides of the same coin.
>>288698701Guts hugs Griffith and says "I forgive you". Griffith is completely dumbfounded and he sheds a tear while saying "I'm sorry". Because they are polar opposites this will cause both of them to cancel out each other and explode in a beautiful kaleidoscope-like explosion.
>>288698815Griffith is molded by the idea of evil while Guts was born by the idea of good.
>>288698839Griffith isn't missing from the page
>>288698849>guy who has only ever read Naruto: boy, this sure reminds me of Naruto
Why was Griffith chosen to become Femto when anyone would've done? Why manipulate everything just to make Griffith part of the God Hand?
CHOSEN SISTERS IT'S NOT LOOKING GOOD FOR US!
>>288698854And then this song plays. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6EPMvIhtyA
>>288698905If something evokes Naruto, then you know there is something wrong, but as an autist I guess you can't read between lines. Go back to sonic, friend.
>>288699050Anon it's the Boss Baby meme, I'm taking the piss ya cheeky cunt
>KINGnic out of NOWHERE
Niggers be like nooo it's the event of the eclipse that made Guts became a part of the astral realm.NOPE BITCH ASS NIGGER HE WAS SO SINCE BIRTH.CASCA AIN'T A CHOSEN HOE. NOPE ONLY MY BOY GUTS IS A CHOSEN HERO LIKE GRIFFITH BECAUSE THEY EQUAL DAS RIGHT.I love Naruto and One Piece.
>>288698883Dunno if you are trolling but Guts was fated to be sacrificed and die during the Eclipse, but the Eclipse is a brief moment when fate and causality are ever so slightly uncertain coupled with SK interfering fate was changed and Guts lived. The branded are (or were) the one thing that's not totally controlled by causality and them living is the one thing that's ever so slightly fucking up the plans of fate.
>>288699183Western readers get all uptighty when they MC is somehow special and not a washed up normalfag called Deku or whatever.
Why does it look so fucking cool though? Miura really had such a good artistic sense. I'm still mad he decided to cut the whole chapter for the tankoubon.
>>288699183Funnily enough Casca surviving and giving birth to Guts child is a bigger problem for Griffith/Femto then Guts murdering a bunch of apostles
>>288699261>miura's idea of evil looks like a heart>miura dies from heart attackkino
Why is no one talking about Guts being born as a demon child?
>>288699431because he wasnt born as a demon child, retard-kun
>>288699449It's right there in the chapter!
>>288699474its not literal, he was born as a human baby but because mori wants guts to be born out of interstice, he portrayed him similarly to the demon fetus
How do i approach girl who likes berserk?
>>288699201Look how void bitch ass is scared when the succuba slut states if this escape was part of causality.They think, they actually think that darkness alone will triumph, but nope.MY BOI GUTS HE IS THE WARRIOR OF LIGHT THE BRINGER OF JUSTICE AND GOOD.CHARLIE KIRK FLAME LIVES ON !!!HE IS THE YANG TO GRIFFITH YENG. THE IDEA OF GOOD BABY.
>>288699566just be a bigger larper
>>288692456I want to know people's thought processes every time this type of posthumous author change happens, especially when there are retcons and not clearly defined or produced notes from the dead author. When they say "[character] did this," do they think the character is some kind of alternate universe alive tulpa? Why do you choose to see Berserk continuation as the definitive answer to Berserk just because it's officially published? Couldn't anyone else write a fanfiction ending and it be the same, since authors don't matter when it comes to writing the nebulous character?
>>288699522That makes no sense we see on the next page how the demon child slowly grows into baby Guts.
>>288699589He's literally just ignoring the cunt.
Those who understand Berserk know full well that Guts will not kill Griffith, EVER.
>>288699704Retard
>>288699261I think Miura based it's design on Creation King from Kamen Rider Black.
>>288699714You're a speedreader and lack reading comprehension.
>>288699617it doesnt matter considering guts has always been fully human and only the eclipse made him a bit more special. do you have alzheimer's and forgot this contination isnt even canon in the first place?
>>288699737Retard
>>288699607The official version is that Mori and Studio Gaga are following Miura's notes so everything is "canon" and from "Miura's mind." Mori loves to say that Miura told him everything in private about the Berserk story up until the very end. Now the question is, can we believe him?There is no actual proof, no will, or public declaration. What if Mori saw the opportunity to take advantage of his friend's death and legacy and use his name for his own profit? I wish I weren't so pessimistic, but Miura was always the bigger name between him and Mori, way bigger, so it's easy to see Mori as nothing more than an opportunist. Maybe I'm too cynical.
>>288699726100%
>>288699838The final fight where Guts becomes victor against Griffith he will just leave like he did before and have Griffith's ego be broken again. Look how Griffith taking Casca away again mirrors where Guts first lost to him.It's all coming together.
>>288699704Personally, I would say its more of a matter that Miura implicitly showed that Griffith was supposed to play a bigger role, dare I say even redeem himself to an extent.
>>288698827You're a goddamn retard.
>>288699927That's nu-berserk, retard.
>>288697269And since he didn't "own" him anymore and technically didn't "own" Casca's heart anymore because Guts "stole" her away, they were not able to be sacrificed, due to causality and such. It's like pottery.
>>288699933nah that's too much, Griffith will die, but not physically. The Moonchild will simply take over
>>288700040The brand is the sacrifice, you retards miss the most simple points. Guts and Casca are damned and will go to hell after they die, THAT WAS THE SACRIFICE, THEIR SOULSFUCKING RETARDS
>>288700085True, I should have said that's why they weren't killed during the initial event
>>288697445I read this 'theory' somewhere before, don't remember where but I thought it was interesting. It's similar to what you wrote except there isn't a replacement of each god hand but a super eclipse(Gaiseric's empire collapsing) where 4 godhand are sacrificed for a specific member, possibly the newest. Void, and presumably Griffith. And after the super eclipse the cycle starts again whom ever accepting the sacrifice and continuing onwards for whatever goal/thing the godhand serve, building up the five once more.It's not really based on anything concrete but I thought it was cool.
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>>288699863This chapter just seems like random shit thrown together. Like why is Flora appearing as Guts spirit guide? Why is she appearing as a giant fire elemental?The only reason Flora appeared as a giant fire elemental was because her fucking house was set on fire with her in it so she used the blaze to create a firewall and help Guts escape the apostle raid. It's not like she is a fire witch or something like that.
>>288700179i didnt see her as a fire elemental but an astral projection. which is probably what she is, them using her is just the team working with limited knowledge and trying to use what they have already. miura wouldve done it differently for sure
>>288700218Looks life fire to me >>288694301
>>288700179Every retard assumes it's Flora despite nowhere it being stated, ANYWHERE.
Stop using Miura's name in vain you fucking hack. Never touch Berserk again you retard.
>>288700076By redeeming himself I meant Griffith playing a role in fixing shit and defeating the God Hand.
>>288700288If it's not Flora that who the fuck is it? It being somebody else makes even less sense
>>288692456who's this?from the newest chapter
>>288699790Anon...it's time to let go.
>>288700424Shisu Guts adoptive mother
>>288700179Who else was going to lore dump shit?
>>288700424Thats Guts' adopted momma, Shisu.
>>288700474Well since we are in the Kushan empire, and were taken to some Kushan ritual site then Daiba would be more appropriate or some Kushan deity idk.
Is this fanfiction?
>>288698699>That makes Guts a chosen one you dumb nigger since both Griffith and Guts are outside of the realm of causality.No he isn't, some people like the witches also exist beyond fate. Guts literally didnt have to kill Griffith or whatever, he can always just walk away and go somewhere else. Other people like the witches are more qualified to kill him.
those sk.net guys scare me, they are unhinged
It's absolutely going to end up "two sides of the same coin" bullshit. Femto being the darkness, Guts being the light of the same soul. They will kill each other to separate the worlds again.
>>288700319>Stop using Miura's name in vain you fucking hack. Never touch Berserk again you retard.Get fucked.
>>288700614they are very unhinged. they attack anyone who doesnt have complete unburning hatred for the continuation or mori and act like they have all authority on berserk knowledge. i remember seeing some newer user make a pretty normal comment about a chapter and idea and the main admin responded to him with the most unhinged response I've seen in ages and actively attacked him.SK.net admins and frequent users need serious help
>>288694368>>288694394>>288694408So now that it's established that Guts has the same type of stand as Griffith, all that needs to be done is the final fight. Pretty epic if I do say so myself.
>>288700614Nah, they're right on this. Normies won't mind tho, they eat this shit on a daily basis.
>>288700730I like Sosei no Taiga.
>>288699201>Guts was fated to be sacrificedNo, he didn't. That's the whole point, Guts wasn't fated to be sacrificed, he was fated to die during childbirth or even before it and there's no sure fate for him beyond that. That's what this chapter is about, by surviving his birth, Guts has exists beyond fate and physical realm.
>>288700550He wants people to digest this, so he used Flora. It's like shoving a boulder sized pill down through your throat. The other option was probably a fairy with the face of Miura himself.
>>288700795>normiesCome on, you dumb faggot.
>>288700584Is this cope?
>>288700845The other option would likely have been the actual fairy from the island, depending on how things would have played out if Miura was still alive. And by fairy, I mean the Skull Knight's waifu.
>>288700614Most of them don't even truly understand berserk once they said this chapter killed guts character i knew they were cooked
>>288700843Again see >>288696511That's either false or a retcon. Guts started living in the interstice only after he survived the eclipse
>>288700850Normies loving this, boy. "AH HE WAS SO STRONG LIKE IT MAKES SENSE YO". "FR LIKE HE WAS LIKE BIG AND STRONG ALWAYS". Be happy, you finally have a common ground with them.
>>288699382That's the thing, without Guts, Griffith will simply kill casca like everyone else. But Guts presence during the sacrifice alters her fate and Griffiths as not only she survives but she also gave birth to Griffith's supposed weakness.
>>288700878No fucking way Miura would have used a lore dump like this to explain anything. All those characters we know being shown here is for one single purpose: to make you believe this was the plan all along.
>>288700938right over your head
>>288700938Reddit retard. Do I have to spell it out for you?
i thought guts would just activate the behelit after the of elfheim desu
>>288699933You mean something like Griffith taking the entire god hand, apostles and behelith with him to oblivion and thus becoming the true falcon of light?
>>288700982>No fucking way Miura would have used a lore dump like this to explain anything.I agree, but if he was to use someone, he'd likely use someone who was as close to the top of the totem pole (on the "good" side) as possible, which would be the fairy queen. Of course, I don't think the island would have sunk, at least not in the way it did under Mori, in the first place. There was so much shit that wasn't addressed yet.
What really sucks is that we were about to get some juicy SK backstory and then Miura dies.
>>288701080eventually he might use it but we will truly never know what miura was planning
>>288700843And that's why the continuation sucks, it hard contradicts Miura's Berserk.
>>288699933There's no way for Griffith to redeem himself, but I do believe you're half-right. The moon kid is clearly a way for him to experience something he clearly misses and regrets in his current state, but I don't think he would willingly lose. I think it would be more of a thing where Guts kills him thanks to the moon kid and THE POWER OF FRIENDSHIP, which has been a theme Miura has been screaming about at the top of his lungs since Guts started to rebuild his RPG roster (as opposed to Griffith betraying his friends), but I only think Griffith would regret his actions after he's already been defeated.
The Evil Genius translation is out.
>>288701402drop it
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>>288701470>guts's alright translation is trash
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>>288700945>But Guts presence during the sacrifice alters her fateIt's Skull Knight's presence that saves them both. And after being branded there was no control over their fate including the time of the Eclipse
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>>288701402>it's true>all of itCome the fuck on
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>>288700758>actively attacking Mori shillsBased. You're the type to whine about "gatekeeping"
>>288701617Ew what the fuck, they're literally just redrawing Golden Age panels but uglier
>>288700758>hey attack anyone who doesnt have complete unburning hatred for the continuationYou are full of bullshit. There are currently people arguing with the admin about his criticism of the chapter and they are neither banned nor insulted nor their comments deleted. You've probably started acting like a passive aggresive faggot and got your ass banned and since then you are salty at themhttps://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?threads/episode-384.16814/page-4
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>guts is a chosen one nowmy life is in pieces, why the FRICK should I struggle now?
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>>288700889those retards act like they should be making this continuation. they are beyond cooked.>>288701633noI'm not, but if anyone is in danger of doing something like that it'd be them>>288701654>currently>no ones banned or insultedIf you could read my post you could see that I was talking about a comment I saw sometime ago. not currently. I haven't posted in SK and I don't intend to so sorry but your theory isn't good. The only people who act passive aggressive on that site are the main 10 people who post there. its good that people call out the admin on his criticism but he will undoubtedly just shrug it off and say hes right and they are wrong. the only thing worse than being a mori simp is being a SK.net simp
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>>288701725I will dig up and eat whatever remains of Miura, and I will create an even greater manga about struggling.
I just want some clarity here. Does this mean the witches and just about anyone else in Guts' group are not ruled by causality because they also exist at the interstice of the the corporeal and astral or is Guts just a special case? I thought causality affected all things except those that have been branded, or is this not true and Guts is just one of the few who can resist it like the Skull Knight, who I guess must have been born under similar circumstances? Does Griffith now exist outside causality because he was reborn into the corporeal world in Conviction? Do apostles exist outside of causality since they are corporeal beings?
>>288701768to add to this i never said anyone got banned. just that they were berated over something very minor and it was just psychotic behavior.
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>>288701805Everyone who lived in the interstice can resist causality/fate a tiny bit that's why Griffith went for Flora because witches are more dangerous to him then any human army. Apostles can't resist causality they are servants to the Godhand This was all before the world merger so things might have changed
>Gattsu was born from the Idea of GoodI don't know how to feel
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>>288694614>>288694672Genuinely, how can you like what Berserk becomes once you reach the "this was written 5+ human years after the Eclipse" point in the manga? Miura's art stays great, yes, but the story becomes an endless slog of seemingly WOAH THAT'S SO AMAZING moments that never pay off or mean anything.>Rickert slapped Elder God Griffith!?!! AWOAAAAAAAAAAAAAH>nothing happens as a result
>>288702016>SK: I W A S B E I N G L I T E R A L
>>288702016Next chapter on June 26.
Gaga uses wayyy too many screentones, everything is so shiny
>>288700614The primary issue with insular communities like Skull Knight it is a sycophantic, faux bureaucracy which elevates *the administration's* interpretation of Miura's work as gospel. Any, and I do mean any, type of resistance to the status quo is met with prompt antagonism. Aazealh is by far the most egregious offender, a smarmy French fuck who you would swear was the co-writer Berserk given his need to pedantically dismantle any perceived "incorrectness." He's scared off more than a few members with his autism. Do not get me wrong, quite a few users know their lore -- and justifiably called out several inconsistencies with the beginning of the continuation which were not properly addressed. The problem is that they are more "fans of Miura" (or at least, their image of him) than they are "fans of Berserk." They have collectively decided to hate it: no matter what. They see Mori and Studio Gaga as the "enemy" for betraying, what is in their view, "Miura's vision." Zombified Miura could be ghost writing the story behind the scenes, and they would still find 'inventive' ways of discrediting it because "it's not Miura."This reaction to this chapter is tantamount of that. Mori knew about the contents of this chapter regarding Guts and painstakingly had Miura's former editor curate the dialogue to maximize its authenticity. Their reaction? Borderline illiterate takes about "muh chosen one" because of the Interstice revelation (which they reject, Mori made it up) Nitpicking about Flora's presence. It's a clown show of NPCs who fancy themselves autonomous, LOOKING for virtually any reason to be upset.At any rate, I felt this was the best chapter in a long time and appreciated some the stylistic choices which felt very Miura-esque. First time in quite a while I could “make out” Miura’s signature, even if the penmanship was a bit off. Looking forward to the next two chapters.
>>288702001>Apostles can't resist causality they are servants to the GodhandBut the Count rejected fate, at least according to Void, and refused to sacrifice Theresia. And isn't Emperor Ganishka an apostle who defied the Godhand or is that also part of causality?
>>288702098The Count thing happened during an Eclipse which is a time when causality is at it's weakest and nobody can tell what's going to happen with 100% certainty. Ganishka was firmly playing his part in creating Griffiths new kingdom.
>>288700614Ok post screenshots and I don't wanna dig salt on my own
>>288694592Read until the loli witch shows up. That is when the manga starts going downhill.
>>288702094Ok so why the fuck is Flora there? Just answer that one simple question.
>>288701768Nobody gives a fuck about your whiny fandom vendettas. A fan forum is not equivalent to Mori actively fucking up Berserk's legacy in real time and you sound like an autist who spends too much time worring about fandom gossip and substituting it for real life relationships instead of reading the thing you supposedly like. That's why you're triggered by the head mod of that site BTFO'ing Mori's shitty fanfiction because you're addicted to shoveling slop and feel bad when nobody upvotes you for drooling and saying "mhmh tastes good! Trust the plan!" You feel threatened by someone who actually loves a manga enough to memorize it to the detail he has because you're not a fan, you are a social media addicted Tiktok-scrolling loser zoomer.
>>288701768>but he will undoubtedly just shrug it offHe actually replies to every argument with a wall of text. You are salty at him, nigga
>>288692456>by a little sex with Femto?>In hell>After seeing every person she grow up with get brutally torn apart by literal demons>In front of gutsYeah how could she possibly be traumatized it makes no sense.
>>288692456She got fucked by a literal demon god, there's no coming back from that. She's with Griffith now and who know what's going on in the castle's bedchambers.
I feel the biggest problem with this discussion is that everyone is jumping straight to hyperbole and taking every word literally with 1:1 meanings.The biggest one is people projecting "You are the same" to mean Guts is a Chosen One because the Idea of Evil called Griffith that, when it was saying about their state in the Interstice. Nothing more, nothing less. You can have a discussion on whether this plot point is any good (Guts from birth living outside of causality because the circumstances of his birth should have killed him), but can you faggots for one second just stop trying to compare it to Shonen shit protagonists that became chosen ones and got a power boost? I'll eat my words if Guts does get one in the next chapter however.
>>288702256you seriously need help. where did I imply that I love love love mori? sorry I just dont see a reason to hate literally anything he does. spend another 20 minutes making assumptions schizo>>288702269not salty at whoever, I just see them as a turbo autist much like the anon above you.
>>288702094>I felt this was the best chapter in a long timeNo shit anon, how eye-opener. last chapter was a year ago and it relied heavily on visuals of Guts inside the conch. Before that we got those exciting chapters of Guts walking on a leash. We got some "plot development" in this chapter (albeit story breaking) and nice visuals of the good old times of Berserk before studio gaga and Mori took over.
>>288702094>the Interstice revelation (which they reject, Mori made it up)Read, nigger, READ >>288696511
fuck you Miura for dying before finishing Berserk, if I get to Hades one day I'll find you and kick your ass
I don't think even Miura himself knew what he wanted to do after Elfhelm
so did miura have an outline of the ending or are they just releasing fanfiction now?
>>288696511I mean, I guess it could be that the Skull Knight doesn't know everything about Guts? I guess that's how they're going to explain it.
>>288702525Not what you think, but Mori apparently had conversations with Miura about Berserk as a whole and the ending but that means shit when it comes to execution because the author can change his mind and change shit.
>>288702094I don't know what the fuck you're talking about, but I want to strangle you.
>>288702687are you the french guy he's talking about?
>>288702640>I guess it could be that the Skull Knight doesn't know everything about Guts?He knows Guts was born out of a cropse so he's good at escaping death, whatever that means. But I don't think they care to expain it. Like it's the first or the last thing they retcon, lmao
>>288702737I wouldn't doubt that the frog and his associates are in this thread given some of these posts.
>>288702792you can definitely tell when the skull knight crew shows up.
>>288702413Yes, I read. We all did. Thank you for pointing out the texts we have all read. I see no contradiction thus far. My reading is as follows:Flora *explicitly* points out that "half of Guts' being" is of the Astral World. A facet of himself he has only just now visibly remerged with/reclaimed in his rebirth. He walked the Interstice due to the Brand of Sacrifice, but he was not at the time "everything", as Flora described. He was simply physical. His astral half was not part of the equation, so he was not a composite being of the Interstice until this chapter. These pages do not discredit anything depicted in this chapter.
>>288701894This page looks great.
>>288702687Oh no. How horrifying. Whatever shall I do?Kill yourself, Skull fucker.
>>288702094>Mori knew about the contents of this chapter regarding Guts and painstakingly had Miura's former editor curate the dialogue to maximize its authenticitylol
>>288702439I just wish he didn't waste his time with shit like the Sea God arc and Giganto Maxia
>>288699863No. Mori said that Miura told him the rough outline of what was left of the story , but that there was stuff missing and he has promised that he won't add things that Miura did not tell him about.So, assuming good faith from Mori, we can trust that Miura told him about this rough plot point, but maybe the logic wasnt the same
>>288702920Highly intelligent post.
>>288702375Typing like a faggot on purpose doesn't help your case.
I realized the 97 anime truly is the best version of Berserk, it ends at the best moment with Guts going off ALONE no retarded Puck or crew, to do his mission and we don't need to know more than that plus it had better art than the early chapters.
>>288703114The manga is just padding to a story, we don't even need to see with meaningless characters.
>>288703082seethe harder :))))
>>288703114ehh i dunno man, for my money conviction is the best berserk arc
>>288702826>Flora *explicitly* points out that "half of Guts' being" is of the Astral World>but he was not at the time "everything">His astral half was not part of the equationAnd this itself is pure fanfcition. Never was it implied the interstice splits your being in two. And the concept of making youself stronger than before by regaining your other half through a therapy session with a woman you barely know is just retarded and would've come up much sooner given how usefull it could have been. But this pure drivel and nonsense much like your pretentios post. You are acting like you understand the lore, but only come up as a schizo spewing random words to appear knowledgeable>He walked the Interstice due to the Brand of SacrificeNo he walked the Interstice since birth acording to Flora >>288702016 >>288696290>These pages do not discredit anything depicted in this chapter.With such mental gymnastics nothing at this point can discredit anything
>>288703114If the 97 anime version of Berserk was all solo, he likely would've just died but a tragic ending is fitting anyways, him being solo captures his loneliness and shows he'll never give up even if he can't win.
>>288702737What's up with this retarded autism? What French guy? Is this some kind of internal faggot championship?>>288702918Who the fuck are you, you subhuman cunt? What do you even think you're replying to, you little shit?
>>288703249you sound very very angry for no discernable reason so i wondered if you might be the french guy he was talking about. no other reason as far i see it to take it so personal
>>288703114The anime is a stripped down cut the bullshit complete story if you look at in the context as it's own piece, the manga never gonna be complete at this rate, I heard someone once say if you take too long to tell a story, was that story even all that great in the first place? Long formed things really should only be episodic like Conan or Lupin.
>>288703114lmao these are the people that think they can talk about berserk berserk was peaking right before miura death
>>288700614They are the ichiruki of berserk, and shipping isn't even part of the equation here, so this is definitely something severe.
>>288703114>>288703215I just like how it's probably the best example of a cliffhanger ever. I can't think of another better cliffhanger. And personally, I believe the Golden Age is a great story that can work in isolation. You see the rise and fall of the band of the hawk, the rise and fall of guts, griffith, and casca. It's great like that. I first watched the anime with a friend and he told me to start it on episode 2, didn't think much of it. The show comes off as a normal medieval anime about a group of mercenaries. Then Zodd shows up and turns everything on its head, now the show is dark fantasy. Pretty much all the fantasy then gets shelved for the rest of the series, and you forget about it. But near the end the bad vibes come back, every episodes starts to emit this feeling of dread, then the eclipse happens. I loved how depressing it was, it made you feel something even if it was sad. Many animu can't imo.
>>288703424>I can't think of another better cliffhanger
>>288703204>Never was it implied the interstice splits your being in two.And yet this is what we are provided this chapter and it is what Miura described to . Your arbitrary rejection of this is not my problem. The circumstances of Guts' birth and the affects of such are still an enigma. The imagery is visibly crafted to convey the unification of the physical and astral. I am deeply sorry that new information re-contextualizing your previous understanding, stands violently affront to your pre-established headcanons. But this is again, a personal problem, not mine. >No he walked the Interstice since birth acording to Flora >>288702016 >>288696290Yes. His astral half, as we see (if you look closely with those things called "eyes", I know this is a struggle for you) has been within the astral plane and is only now reconstituting the physical self. Yes, he has "resided" there since birth.>Mental gymnasticsThe only "mental gymnastics" here are you splitting your spine into firewood to ignore every about Mori's knowledge of this from Miura, as it clashes with your "educated" delusions about how the source material should be rendered. There are no contradictions as of now. Continue to whine.
>>288703424I like how it grounds it and gets rid of a lot the wacky manga bullshit, it reminds me of FMA 03 in that way even if Berserk has less wacky shit than FMA and wacky stuff isn't bad, makes me wonder how they adapt the other parts with that more grounded serious tone, problem with Berserk manga is the tone kinda all over the place vs the anime very consistent. I won't mind a stripped back more grounded but still fantasy take of the other arcs but Golden Age all I really need.
I got the deluxe edition and I've been re-reading through the books and I got to the end of book 3. Planning on buying a set every week but I just realized reading this, I still don't get the seething rage people have for Griffith. People act like he's a complete sociopath and doesn't care about fucking anyone when that's completely wrong. I mean there's a couple of factors that people somehow completely just remove out their brain when talking about the eclipse:>Griffith body is broken beyond repair. He will never ever be anyone ever again. >Guts (as shown in his dream) will leave him AGAIN. >Sunken Cost where if he gives up on his dream now, everyone who already died would've wasted their lives for nothing.>He's already in a fucking terrible state mentally. I forgot what he did as Femto but I'll have to see as I go along but while I'm not saying "HE DINDU NOTHING WRONG", it's amazing how many retards read Berserk and go "OH WOW GRIFFITH IS FUCKING EVILLLLL EVVILLL EVILLLLL, REEEEE HE RAPED CASCA EVILLLLL SO EVILLLLL (although yeah that was pretty bad)"
>>288703507Re-reading my post again I apologize if I'm rehashing old ground but I'm genuinely surprised when I check out discussion on the Golden Age online and it's just people disregarding all characterization of Guts/Casca/Griffith and it's just REEEE GRIFFITH IS GAY AND A BIG JERK MEANIEE!!!!!!! EVILLLL MEANIE!!!! I genuinely feel like we'd have much better discussion on Griffith if he didn't rape Casca because that tends to turn the fucking LGBT weebatard head inside out.
>>288694640Borsalino...
>>288701402I was wondering where they were. I thought maybe they had dissolved or something and I hadn't heard.
>>288703507>>288703555He let almost everybody who ever trusted and loved him be murdered and eaten by demons and monster and then raped one of his friends in front of his best friend purely out of rage.
>>288703680And you still didn't fucking read. Amazing.
>>288703730I'm not saying Griffith isn't a very interesting character with depth, or that people aren't annoying with how much they feel the need to disavow him, but what he did is extremely evil, he had reasons he did it but that doesn't make it any less cruel.
>>288703555>GRIFFITH IS GAYthis one is true tho
>>288703507>I forgot what he did as Femto
>>288703760Wouldn't say "evil" but it's human. Evil would just be sacrificing them for absolutely nothing.
>>288703761Either you say he's bisexual or he's gutssexual (but not even since I'm pretty sure he didn't want guts to fuck his ass just to be by his side) >>288703760>people aren't annoying with how much they feel the need to disavow himthat part is really annoying though, idk why he completely mindbreaks so many people.
>>288703806>Wouldn't say "evil" but it's human.I can genuinely say, if my options were saving my own life or killing people who loved and cared about me violently and horrifically, I would let myself die. I think quite a lot of people would share this sentiment as well, people seem to forget he didn't sacrifice a bunch of randoms he didn't know.
>>288703486>And yet this is what we are provided this chapter and it is what Miura described toAccording to a swindler leeching of his work with a terrible inconsistent fanfiction drivel>Your arbitrary rejection of this is not my problem.Your arbitrary acceptance of any slop presented to you with the label Berserk™ at the face is also not my problem>The circumstances of Guts' birth and the affects of such are still an enigmaNo they aren't since they're still natural and have been unimportant for over 30 years>The imagery is visibly crafted to convey the unification of the physical and astral.Every living being is simultaneously both physical and astral. You don't know shit about the lore despite how self-righteously you talk about it. While also shitting on a person >>288694387 who actually understands it and puts it into simple words so even people with reading comprehension like yours can get it since reading the manga doesn't cut it>new information re-contextualizing your previous understandingThat's a whole lotta fancy words for "asspull retcon">pre-established headcanonsMiura's work is not a headcanon>His astral halfIt's not some seperate entity you absolute mongrel>is only now reconstituting the physical selfAre you implying Guts was a soulless husk all this time? This is the length you are willing to go to defend your retarded headcanon?>Mori's knowledge of this from MiuraYeah, let's believe this swindler who's so far been constantly contradicting the established lore and events that this time with the most major retcon he's saying the truth>it clashes with your "educated" delusions about how the source material should be renderedI'm not "educated". I have the basic knowledge about the lore and the story. And this is apparently far more than you>There are no contradictions as of now>LALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU>Continue to whine.Ok
>>288703869>were saving my own life or killing people who loved and cared about me violently and horrifically,*were dyingoops.
>>288703760I think the most evil shit Griffith has done is that he feels the need to come back on Guts and harass him about Casca, even though Guts was heavily considering just leaving it alone and spending the rest of his days with Casca while trying to cure her mental state.There's simply no redeeming a guy like Griffith, he'll never leave it alone. Again, if it was up to Guts, Griffith could have his kingdom and demigod status that he paid for by others' blood. But even that wasn't enough.He just can't help but to fuck with Guts over and over again
>>288703869>I can genuinely say, if my options were saving my own life or killing people who loved and cared about me violently and horrifically, I would let myself die. I think quite a lot of people would share this sentiment as wellmy fucking ass
Griffith is nowhere near the most evil character in fiction. He is an angel compared to real bad niggers.
imagine sacrificing your friends to look like gay batman
>>288704009You seriously think I'm lying by saying I'd rather die than directly cause everybody important to me to die violently?
>>288701099Honestly, I would enjoy that.
>>288704061yeah. you're filled with horseshit. a real person would say they wouldn't know.
>>288703918>OkGood boy.
>>288704132No I do know. If the question was about random faceless strangers I'd say "I don't know" but if it was people I care about It's a very easy no.
>>288692456>I initially assumed she was the fuck-toy of the Band of HawksGuts was more of a warband's fucktoy.
>>288703401Why are Bleach and Naruto fans so excited to see Berserk dragged down to their level? I can't understand the psychology here. Do you people really have nothing better to do but bait in your spare time or are you actually a retarded shonenfag?
>>288704132There's probably a lot of people who would make such a sacrifice. But there are probably not many who would taunt the person they did it to afterwards and still make their life hell even if there's no obligation.This is what puts Griffith in the special category for assholes
>>288704164my ass
>>288704287Worse than anything is contrarians acting like the first and second example have anything to do with each other. The second moment makes no sense in the context of the continued scene (Griffith went from crying to kidnapping Casca and making her a damsel again, reversing all character development) and is merely a retread of things that have already happened - a copy/redraw of the original scene. The Sloptinuation is so obsessed with "flashbacks" because it's riding on nostalgia and nothing more with inferior art to boot. It has nothing to do but retcon character development from the point of Miura's cliffhanger so that's what's happening.
>>288704379What?
>>288704287Why did Guts kept calling him Griffith and not Femto and also why didn't he question him about the rape of Casca?
Did they really feel the need to rape Guts again
>>288704379It's very obvious Griffith needed to kidnap Casca in order to have more control over Moon Boy.The last panel drawn by Miura already implied he won't hold back due to such feelings of regret and nostalgia.
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>>288703472>miura didn't draw the finalized version of this page
One think I do agree with skfags on is that the art looks pretty bad now, it has the detail, but not the elegant compositions
>>288703285Is claiming that people are angry some kind of autistic tick?
>>288704287>This is what puts Griffith in the special category for assholesWhile Griffith is my favorite character, I am not saying this to defend him because he is in fact, an asshole. However, aside from raping Casca, he has done nothing to torment Guts specifically. If anything, he has been completely indifferent to his existence and has left Guts to his own devices. In all three of their post Eclipse encounters when Guts is trying to kill him (not like he can, anyway) Griffith never actually harms him in any way despite being able to crush him with a thought. If you are referring to his abduction of Casca, that was not malice but pragmatism and potentially the Moonlight Boy's influence (eg, when he saved Casca in your image.) The Moonlight Boy seizing control over his vessel every full moon to leave Falconia and visit Casca is a liability that needed to be addressed. Sucks for Guts, but it was never about him. Post-Eclipse, Griffith has been consistently neutral towards him.
>>288704786It's just an observation based on you claiming that you want to strangle people and calling them subhumans.I don't think a man in a calm mental state would say that
>>288704861He had no reason to ever show his face again to Guts and touch Casca after raping her in front of Guts. Yet he does it because he has such a massive ego that he feels like he needs to justify himself and taunt Guts for not being able to protect her from him.It's Griffith re-establishing his masculinity after feeling emasculated by Guts.He is an incredibly petty and narcissistic man.
>>288704768>but not the elegant compositionsIt's actually very inconsistent, sometimes they manage to produce very nice pages and paneling and the next chapter it's the opposite.
Griffith = Homelander?
>>288705080such was the case even with Miura by the end. doing berserk digitally just leads to certain pages looking uncanny
>>288704999>He is an incredibly petty and narcissistic man.This part of your post, I will not argue because it's mostly truth. The remainder is just you projecting your (justified) embittered emotions onto the character's intentions. Moonlight Boy visiting Casca was a problem. Problem was resolved. Nothing more or less.
>>288704925We're on 4chan, retard.Insulting someone who's acting like a retard doesn't imply a level of anger beyond what is reasonable.Most cunts who use that argument seem to be on the level of the average radfem when they run out of arguments. It's like claiming you have a tiny dick.
>>288702185OMG riiiiggghhht her introduction was sofuckingubearable its like the author just found a redditpist about AP and got BTFO like a little boy watching starwars 4tge first timewouldnt stop milking that shitLOA soon
>>288705142I'm talking about their earlier meeting. That was purely for self affirmation on his part. And he gloats to Guts that he holds no regrets.Nothing to do with Moon Boy, just his brittle ego that had once been fragmented by Guts.
>>288702094Flora's presence alone feels too random to be something Mori decided on a whim. Clearly Miura told him Flora would be there, but that doesn't mean he explained why she'd be. Anyway Mori announced from the get go what to expect and what not to expect from miura berserk, crying bitch tears every time a new chapter comes out is just another way to kick the bucket faster I guess.
>>288705125By the time we hit elfheim, I couldn't care less about miura's berserk anymore (what do we need? more chestnut puck! of course!), even casca being healed from her retardation felt like a fat lot of nothing. It was obvioust Miura wanted to tell another story for years and be rid of berserk.
>>288705261It's literally the opposite. It's him grasping at straws, because Guts turning into a whiny, broken pussy wasn't supposed to happen.
>>288705261Flora did say they'll meet again
>>288704379reread the manga
>>288705359She said she'd meet loli witch again.
>>288705307I thought he was cooking at the end with Skull Knight memories and Griffith appearing. But we'll never know
>>288704479>>288704689>>288705376Sorry, I forgot to say samefag
I just don't like how he kept adding lolis as the story went on, like what was the point of the mermaid loli in particular?
>>288705218I see, my mistake. But even so, that also is not contextually the case. I verbally states his exact intentions: to see if his heart would be shaken. Again, nothing to do with tormenting Guts specifically. His love of Guts was his only weakness. He also loved the Band of the Hawk in his own way, even if he never saw them as "friends" in the sense he idolized as human. However upon seeing Guts and the grave, he felt nothing: confirming that he is truly "free" of human attachment. There is no intentional ego flexing on Griffith's part. Just testing his resolve after rebirth.
>>288705487He just wanted to draw naked hebe tits.When you've drawn a dark fantasy for 30 years you're going to need something to keep you going and for him it was loli ass and hebe tits Small sacrifice to make in my book
>>288705516>I verbally*He verbally
>>288705323>It's him grasping at straws, because Guts turning into a whiny, broken pussy wasn't supposed to happen.>Source: my ass
>>288705516He's absolutely flexing. He's just more sophisticated about it than the average mustache twirling villain.He knows fully well he'd drive Guts into rage with how he's framing things.
>>288703507>Well, then. My life will be a peaceful one.
>>288705323Here, go post some nasty comments, won't make you feel any better though.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5Vj7-YuZh8
>>288705568Huh?
>>288705487The fuck is wrong with you, faggot?
>>288703503Yeah, I always thought the doofy star wars references in the manga with lots of rape was... strange to say the least. Kindov hard to force levity like that when there's so much death and rape.
>>288705633>Here, go post some nasty commentsWhat, you expect me to be polite, you retarded asshole
>>288705756https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTO7Slj-M5M
>>288705884I'm not watching your faggot videos, buddy.
>>288704689>last page drawn by Miura>has an iconic quote from Blade RunnerWhat a hack. Why he couldn't be a little more original?
>>288705261Original anon you are replying to. I agree. We know at best in the most cohesive sense of the term that Mori has all the major "broad strokes" but he seems to struggle stitching the bullet points together. The "Holy Ground" or Stupa is obviously tethered to the unconscious or astral world ("We can meet in your dreams"), which is why Flora manifest to Guts as she did to Schierke in the Corridor of Dreams. We can speculate endlessly as of to why Miura chose Flora to communicate with Guts, it's not a detail I exactly find "necessary" as it stands on its own. It's shit like Elfheim's destruction, the World Tree, "selective" disappearances of astral beings (pic related), etc that stand out the most in the "needs elaboration" department. Miura told Mori the cliffnotes version but Mori obviously had no idea how to make it flow organically because he lacked details. Comparatively, this whole thing with Flora is a nonissue.
>>288705930https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rbUZcDlKgA
>>288705987I bet you don't even have two of them.
>>288694592None of these faggots are honest. I'm in this for the long haul myself but if you aren't 100% feeling it then just drop it here. The author died before he could finish the story and lost his touch long before that anyway.
>>2887061204 real. Jeets repretentzzz!1!
>>288703834Griffith didn't mindbroke me at all but his fans did. There used to be a screeching army of foids and fags who would attack you even here if you said Griffith was anything other than a manipulated hero who is tragically misunderstood by an emotionally constipated Guts when the message of the Golden Age is pretty much the opposite.
>>288705307I had the same feeling somewhere in the middle of the Boat arc. It felt like Miura wanted to just move on, but he didn't want to end Berserk for good too early, as it was his first big project and the most popular work.
>random plot armormiura really is dead huh..
You care too much about fiction for a bunch of people who are going to die and forgotten like the Band.
>>288705982>Mori has all the major "broad strokes" but he seems to struggle stitching the bullet points togetherEven Miura didn't seem to know what story he wanted to tell during the last ten years before his death. He told Mori "oh yeah, this and that happens and then Guts kills Griffith" or some shit, and that's the best case scenario.
>>288706357Kek, tfw it is what actually happened. Rough, general ideas, all while the manga aas moving as slow as a snail, with stories written on the go without any detailed plan.
I want to post pepes but I won'tWhy did Farenese want to fuck her brother anyway? Why are the Japs like this?
>>288706446Serpico is close to her and he's her half-brother or whatever.Magnifico is better, btw. Alas, his blood relation with Farnese is stronger, therefore she won't lust over him, or him over her.
>>288705977It's not a quote, but a reference to a quote, silly.Aside from that, I agree, kek.
>>288692456>assumed she was the fuck-toy of the Band of HawksIt's implied that she may have fucked Griffith a few times, but that she wouldn't let any of the other guys touch her due to her rank and obsession with Griffith. She was upset Griffith forced her to lay with Guts because she knew Griffith was humiliating her. He was essentially saying "Guts is my new #2 go take care of him." That's why she hates Guts... Obviously.
>the only way for guts to win is to become a chosen onelollmao even
>>288706531you could sayshe hated his guts
>>288706531So why did she lose her mind when the guy he had fucked before got a little frisky with her?
>>288706566demon cock too strong
>>288706566Because she loved guts... Did you miss the part where she moved on from Griffith because he was pathetic? You can't just rape a girl because you fucked her years ago.
>>288705982>We know at best in the most cohesive sense of the term that Mori has all the major "broad strokes"I think he only has the broad strokes of the story as Miura envisioned it before the Eclipse; he's on record saying his main font of knowledge is an in-depth brainstorming session from back then. I doubt he knows anything about e.g. how Schierke or magic would play into the climax, hence he's sidelined her. It's all about Griffith and Guts and Guts's sword. Even Casca might not factor in - Miura said the original plan was for her to die at the eclipse, after all.Actual decades old insider information with some newer information mixed in, probably primarily coming from Gaga rather than him.
>>288706566All her friends were getting killed around them, not really an appropriate time don't you think?
>>288706531It's not implied that she may have fucked Griffith. Adon just assumed that was the only way she could get such a high ranking in Griffith's band. In fact it made Casca feel pathetic that what he said was supposed to be an insult, but she DID want to fuck Griffith.
>>288706531>It's implied that she may have fucked Griffith a few timesWhen exactly? The whole dynamic between them is that Casca idolized him like a messiah while Griffith didn't really care about her at all.
>>288706631>because you fucked her years ago.Pushing your autistic headcanon on everyone is weird. Casca was a virgin when Guts fucked her, that's made clear. And part of her humiliation and envy of Guts is that she never expected Griffith would look her way.
>>288706778>Griffith didn't really care about her at all.but that's STILL not true that's what I mean. am I crazy am I the only one that truly understands griffith and every fucking retard reader in here doesn't
>>288706781>that's made clearNope
>>288706853Nice bait, you need to learn how to write fanfiction since you seem to like it so much.
>>288706818Name one time Griffith showed genuine concern or care for Casca outside of him defending her in the flashback.
>>288706778>The whole dynamic between themThis is pretty naive. She's been traveling around simping for him for years. Even if he wasn't interested in her he would have tapped that a few times.
>>288706883saving her ass multiple times especially saving her with guts>b-but griffith LIESbullshit, in his make believe what-if why would he even stay with casca then
>>288706881I don't know why you're getting emotional. Post some evidence that she was a virgin and I'll let you take the W.
>>288694190Guts (cabbage form)
>>288706914The burden of evidence is on you to prove your headcanon rather than a stated fact taken for granted >>288706778 . You said it was "implied" she slept with Griffith when it never was, anywhere.
the rape is both literal as well as metaphorical>Guts gives his ass willingly to old bastards>Guts gives his friends willingly to be sacrificed>Guts and Casca were forced raped>they are forced to save their friends
>>288703249anon, you're not intimidating because you use full punctuation and grammar
>>288706973I said probably and I provided reasoning. You said it was clear she was a virgin. It's not.
>>288706998uh~
Guts the white swordsman
>>288707009>It's implied that she may have fucked Griffith a few times, but that she wouldn't let any of the other guys touch her due to her rank and obsession with Griffith.Where is it implied, exactly? You've provided no proof. It is made clear that she's a virgin. Are you embarassed?
>>288707038Are you retarded? Do you not understand the difference between a positive claim and speculation?
Without the stupid Puck gags this shit ain't Berserk :/
>>288707156Wait, are you retarded?
>>288705585I love that chapter at the Hill of Swords. Shame I'll never see it animated. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMLxRcGjzec
I honestly don't see how this changes anything, Guts has always been between two worlds, not magical creature but also certainly not fully human thematically. He's escaped fate during the eclipse, and since then he's contravened fate since and has unknowingly influenced events leading to Griffith's rebirth. And now we see confirmation that Casca would have died during eclipse here >>288701680. This makes the image of him looking like a demon baby here >>288701894, make a lot of sense. Since both he and it were beings born outside of the intended fate. He feels far less like a chosen one, as much as a cast off of the intended world order, who has caused ripples that has lead to fate coming apart, or at least becoming less certain for a moment. For now he's simply the catalyst of a large butterfly effect that's engulfed Griffith via cascaSince the golden age it's been clearly apparent that Guts and Griffith alone truly possess a will to power and are thus ensouled with the power to shape destiny. Guts merely lacked a focus for his will, and so was a slave to Griffith for a time. However Griffith is growing decadent as the last obstacles to his dream are pushed aside, while guts for the first time is forced to truly carve his own path. This is all we are being told in this chapter. Anyone claiming that Griffith and Guts being two unique important and linked beings somehow is a massive retcon are illiterate retards. That has been the entire point of Berserk from the beginning, Muira was a shojo fag.
>>288703941Because Guts was the only one who got to say no to him. Griffith can't stand that. Griffith will keep trying to twist the knife so long as Guts continues to defy him.
>>288694408This makes sense honestly. Gut's superhuman strength and survivability was unnatural.
>>288692456- There have been events which are totally opposite to what Miura has established and at times even being internally inconsistent. Some are:- Death of Raksasha. He was an apostle and his death should have been accompanied with Vortex of Soul taking him to "hell". Its total absence is a major abberation.- Guts contemplations. Guts throughout this work has never contemplated on esoteric concepts like causality. That has been the domain of Skull Knight and Schierke. Guts has been a man of action. We see him contemplating causality in this episode which makes no sense at all because that is not Guts as we know it.- Flora's appearance. Just before everything went to hell on Elf Island, Schierke was about to learn how to commune with Diamons. Guts communes with Flora without any help from Schierke. This basically violates what we know about the Berserk universe where communication with astral beings requires specific rituals. Berserk universe has magic and miracles but they are not inconsistent.- We saw astral beings being removed from reality in early continuation episode. However, for no reason there were exceptions like Puck. Even his brothers disappeared. Why so? The mages/witches supposedly lost their magic ability but for some reason Schierke still has ability to dive into astral world? Why? Then out of nowhere, several mages combined their "ability" to cast spell. How so?
>>288707018with the whitening of his hair I thought that the berserker armor would get a pwerup and taht it would have been full white.
>>288707018enter Berserker Armor blanco
>>288707820+ but eh you seex hehehe
>>288707820- Many years ago, I went to a festival- I had a lot of fun. Not exclusively, but overall, I had a lot of fun- No one there knew about Berserk though, but a lot of them played Basshunter very loudly. Yes, it was that long ago.> And yes, the song was DotA
>>288708185- oh no, I made a mistake.>pretend it's not there
>>288703472this guy has some extremely fuckable lips
>>288703424Yes it’s been discussed many times that the golden age arc can work as a stand alone story. It’s literally how most anime-only experience berserk. Normies felt content with a “bad ending” and stop there.
>>288703555What are you talking about? The Griffith discourse isn’t ruined because of fujos. Fujos aren’t the ones who spam Griffith did nothing wrong under every social media post.
>>288703941Griffith is unironically both Casca and Guts’ toxic ex. He sees a happy couple trying to make the best of things despite being branded as his, but he’s not happy knowing that they still focus on eachother than him. He’s no longer their priority and it’s 100% his petty human emotions from his past controlling him to kidnap Casca, fully knowing it will fuck him over in the future.
>>288704498Guts used to play matchmaker with Griffith and Casca. There was a time where he wanted them together. Unfortunately, it worked. I don’t think it crossed his mind that Griffith did it to hurt him.
>>288704999What does /a think about Griffith putting Casca in silks and letting her eat and bathe well? That year of torture still must hurt him because he’s being awfully nice to his prisoner.
The story of the chapters after Miura's death makes sense but it feels like it's told very badly. Like, even if this is truly the direction Miura wanted to take Berserk, it feels shallow and inconsequential. What made Berserk so amazing in the end wasn't just the art or plot, it was the way Miura conveyed the story he wanted to tell and frankly, Mori either sucks at emulating it or isn't even bothering.
>>288695921The Idea of Evil exists because human nature created a self-perpetuating misery machine. They did not want a better world for others. They wanted the brutal chaos to mean something, so an intelligence manages that chaos now. You'd have to lobotomize the base fears out of all people before their nature would change.
The whole "you're half astral and the same as griffith"Literally a psychic attack by Griffith, retards.
>>288709681>That year of torture still must hurt him because he’s being awfully nice to his prisoner.Tbf even Griffith know he is to blame for his imprisonment. His kindness to casca is pure pragmatism. She won't be good to him dead or tortured as he doesn't know how moonlight boy will react to that. Also some of the Midland kingdom servants and citizens still remember casca, it will do good for his image to treat her fairly as the sole survivor of the old band of the hawk.
>>288701521Casca would've been dead instead of simply getting raped if guts wasn't there or ever met Griffith. Guts presence already changed the outcome of the eclipse. >Skull knightDo you forget the part where Griffith almost killed skull knight with a thought but hesitate once he saw Guts?
>>288692456she liked it and is just pretending to be retarded to spare gattsu's cucked feelings.
>>288709681Not canon and there's no meaning so it's not worth thinking about.
>GRIFFITH! HOW DARE YOU HARM MY FRIENDS!>WAIT... WHAT IS HAPPENING TO ME >IS THIS WHAT FLORA WAS TALKING ABOUT?>THE ASTRAL BLOOD...>GUTSU STOP! IF YOU KILL GRIFFITH YOU BECOME JUST LIKE HIM>IT'S TOO LATE NOW SCHIERKE...>I'M GOING... SUPER BERSERK 2
>>288706116https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3VfHG9hE90
>>288695921>if the Idea of Evil exists naturallyIt doesn't exist naturally, it was born from mankind collective subconscious.
>>288710375>Guts presence already changed the outcome of the eclipseGuts presence during the Eclipse was always a part of the plan. He's the person who affected Griffith the most and brought him to the exact place in the exact time the Eclipse ceremony was scheduled to take place. You really thing he was some unknown variable?>Do you forget the part where Griffith almost killed skull knight with a thought but hesitate once he saw Guts?We don't now if he could actually reach him or he would miss like the first time. Anyway that's completely irrelevant. Once the ceremony has started (with Guts in it) everyne has entered a time junction point, so the fate was no longer applied to everyone. Or did you forget?
>>288711620>thingthink*>hashad*
>>288709552what are you on about i'm not even talking about fujos im talking about THEM
