>>288698412the zoomer era is so soulless
>>288698412KnY and JJK aren’t failures even if you think their quality is shit.
>>288698412toriko doesn't belong between all that slop, its much better. Also a single panel of OPM art clears most millenialcuck 'kinos'
>>288698536this desu, Kny is just modern naruto, a trope of shonen and storyline that has existed for centuries, its just that the uncs got old so they find this genre of stories boring and childish now.
>>288698412KnY, JJK and CSM made it, just go to any cosplay convention and you'll see dozens of people cosplaying characters from them
>>288698584not csm, it tanked hard after the first part ended, author made the mistake of killing all marketable characters**
>>288698584Did you forget the hype CSM was receiving before the anime? People were saying it would be the next big phenomenon after SnK but they never happened. It got dwarfed by its competitors in sales and part 2 lost plenty of readers because of how ass it was. Really, makima fan art is the main thing keeping it relevant
KnY, OPM, and Chainsawman were popular for a while. Just because somehow One Piece, Naruto, and Bleach entered legendary status (regardless of any look into their actual quality) doesn't mean anything less that that even if it gets super popular for a time is a failure.
>>288698412at least these got an animeif you want "next big thing" that truly flopped you gotta include stuff like MamaYuyu, Samurai 8 and Candy Flurry, those got shilled relentlessly
>>288698536>>288698579>>288698584
>>288698412How did Demon Slayer fail?Didn't the Manga outsell all of the western comics combined in one year?
>>288698536>JJK>notoriously forgotten the next week after it ended>KnY>notoriously completely irrelevant despite all the volumes it sold>aren't failures
>>288698412We will get a classic anime very soon, but it won't come from Japan. The Japanese are too risk averse.It will come from the West.
>>288699210>one of the best selling Manga is a failure because it just is ok?It's one of the few popular modern manga which had an actually good and satisfying ending so there was not much to talk about
>>288699171And nobody talked about it ever since except for the "r-remember how much it sold" cope.One hit wonder band is considered a failure.
These threads no longer have anybody actually discussing reality they are just endless hallucinated or fabricated accounts from people totally divorced from reality taking part in modern day console wars.
>>288699236Yu-Gi-Oh had a better and more satisfying ending than the nothingburger ending that is Demon Slayer's and people still talk about it 22 years later unlike Demon Slayer that has no staying power
>>288699243everybody talks about it all the time, just not in your discordyou're delusional
Genuinely baffling how hard OPM fumbled the ball. Season 1 was fucking huge in its relevance, then the series just sorta... stalled for years. Meanwhile the manga was given to a mangaka with terrible work ethic who desperately needed a tard wrangler. No joke the it was kept on the most boring arc from the comic for literal years because of constant redraws and padding. Then season 2 came out while OPM's relevance was fading and killed the ip stone fucking dead.
>>288699353People only ever talk about it whenever the anime is on and when it's off, the talk dies because there's not much to talk about this series besides "this looks nice", "I cried when that character died", "the fight was hype"See that movie that came out last year? Had a big premiere then it vanished after one week
>>288698412what does that make all the seasonal slop that /a/ gobbles up then
>>288699283>a card game with slop sequelsnot the same situation at all
>>288699243It is strange how much these days super popular things just fall to the wayside. There needs to be more terminology for stuff like this imo. Sure, there's time flop I guess, though that term isn't used outside of here and I don't even really see it that much on here.
>>288699518It's just a result of culture moving so fast so people just move on to the next big thing
>>288699466Yu-Gi-Oh ended in 2004
>>288699778You didn’t address my point at all
>>288698412One Punch Man had potential to be huge but the webcomic author got bored or lazy and rarely draws chapters. Then the manga author, who can't write for shit, strayed from the webcomic too much and killed the edgy subversive tone that made OPM entertaining. Then the anime went to shit in S2, but S3 was the deathblow to OPM. Japanese fans are constantly shit-talking the manga on twitter as well every time a chapter drops. It's truly a dead series with no future. Not even a webcomic anime would work since the manga and webcomic are now tied together (things that are properly established in the manga, like drive knight's forms, are suddenly shoehorned into the webcomic with no explanation).
>>288698480>zoomerisn't the Black Clover manga from like an era ago?>>288698412Chainsaw Man failed?At least World Trigger is getting a reboot
>>288698412https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/16507241>‘Demon Slayer’ kills again at box office, exceeding 40 billion yenkeyword: againMeanwhile >>288698412>failedyour brain is not braining
>>288702191Avatar Fire and Ash also broke the box office (third time in a row btw) and it left no impactDemon Slayer can smash every box office in the world and it still has no impact. Didn't even influence anything 6 years since it ended
>>288698412Dont you ever get tired of attention whoring Jeremy?
>>288701380What's not addressed. Yu-Gi-Oh started 1996 and ended 2004. GX, 5Ds etc are spin-offs to shill the cards
>>288702485which is what keeps YGO in the public eye. You're vastly overstating how much people still talk about the original manga
So something sold mllions and millions and it's a failure...because anon said so?
>>288698412I loved Dr. Stone until they started getting electricity. It just felt so painful watching them rapidly advance towards the soulless dysfunction of the modern world, they were living such cool hunter gatherer lives. Yeah, better farming techniques and medicines are great, but that's really all they needed, if Senku were really so smart he'd recognize this.
>>288699210>KnY>notoriously completely irrelevant despite all the volumes it sold>aren't failures>>288699243>>288699414>Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba – The Movie: Infinity Castle became the seventh-highest-grossing film of 2025, grossing $793 million worldwide, and the highest-grossing international film in the U.S. (previously held by 2000's Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon). The film also broke multiple box-office records, including becoming the highest-grossing Japanese film, the highest-grossing R-rated animated film, the second-highest-grossing adult animated film and the first R-rated non-American and animated film to gross over $700 million mark, as well as overtaking The Simpsons Movie (2007) as the highest-grossing film based on an animated television series and the second highest-grossing traditionally animated film, behind The Lion King (1994).
>>288698579KnY sucks because every character is so painfully one dimensional, and that's not even talking about the hashira, who take this problem to the extreme. It's hard to like or care about any of the characters when they're all just one personality trait taken to the extreme with no nuance whatsoever to them.
>>288699406I was thinking about this recently. It's fucking mindblowing how badly the OPM anime was fumbled. Season 1 was truly the next big thing right when anime was really taking off in the west from a common niche to just straight up pop culture. Most non anime fans were able to recognize Saitama, they probably wouldn't know his name but they'd be able to point to him and go "hey that's that guy from that one punch thing, right?" Now the IP is totally dead in the water and is just used as an example whenever people talk about piss poor animation quality.
>>288702596Box office =/= impactA movie can smash global box office records and have 0 impact. Happens all the time. See Avatar 3 and Super Mario GalaxyEven if we talk about box office, Demon Slayer actually holds the record for the second worst weekend drop off of all time for a movie, Five Night at Freddy's is over it and Fifty Shades of Grey is right below. Blew up in just one weekend then fell off after one weekend. I also bet they lost a lot of money letting this movie run for so long just to reach a milestone
>>288698412Where's MHA?
>>288698412>Demon Slayer>Dr. Stone>JujutsuThe others are true (with an * for OPM and Chainsaw making a massive bank... for a single moment and then imploding) but those three have absolutely no right to be on that list. Shit's everywhere.
>>288702783Oh Jeremy, so sure it wouldn't reach MT and beat it in one weekend.>I also bet they lost a lot of money letting this movie run for so long just to reach a milestoneWhich milestone?It simply made a shitton of money, pricing kimetsu has a huge fanbase all over the world
>>288698412You shouldnt call yourself a failure OP, even if it is true.
>>288702832Not popular enough to make the cut Yes it's THAT shit
>>288702083>Chainsaw Man failed?Chainsaw Man is an absurd failure in Japanese eyes and they spare no time shitting on its failure to perform.Most series get a massive boost from getting an anime. CSM had none. In fact, it even started dropping manga readership like crazy.They're now laughing at it making absolutely pitiful numbers for its final chapter. Hard to fault them, just look at this sad chart. Anime was announced during chapter 10 and started airing during chapter 12... see the pattern?The movie sold absolute gangbusters but it did fuck all to save the franchise.
>>288702863No. What I'm saying is that the box office return percentage diminishes the longer a film stays in theaters AND that studios get a smaller starting cut from foreign box offices. This movie ran for 9 months, but it never picked up any momentum to dedicate screens for it after opening to become a phenomenon so it just rotted in the theaters for months. It's good for the theaters, though. Because they get a huge cut of their box office earning.
>>288703021>This movie ran for 9 monthsNot in America. In Japan, however, it racked up like 400 million throughout.
>>288702519The spin-offs aren't popular though, they're mainly enjoyed by diehard Yu-Gi-Oh fans. Mainstream still prefer OG and it still pops up in pop culture
>>288702783Are you the anon arguing that it was a failure?>Box office =/= impact>The survey asked 7,661 third to sixth grade kids (5,170 girls and 2,491 boys) enrolled in the company's Shinkenzemi Elementary School Course to the things they liked best year, including their most admired people. Approximately 30% of students chose Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba as their favorite thing from 2020.Japanese kids looked up to KnY characters more than their parents.https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2020-12-10/according-to-poll-japanese-kids-admire-tanjiro-more-than-their-parents/.167251>actually holds the record for the second worst weekend drop off of all time for a movieIf you look at raw numbers and that's because it made a lot in the first place. Percentage wise, it's far from the top.https://www.boxofficemojo.com/chart/biggest_second_weekend_gross_drop/>I also bet they lost a lot of money letting this movie run for so long just to reach a milestoneI doubt that.
>>288702783>I also bet they lost a lot of money letting this movie run for so long just to reach a milestone
>>288703138>MHA and Dragonball
This is the true biggest "next big thing" flop
>>288698412Belongs to Samurai 8, proving Kishimoto was a hack that got hard carried by his editor.
>>288698412>the failed next big thing>kimetsu sold 3x more per volume than naruto>JJK sold 1,5x more per volume than narutoare you retarded numberfag?
>KnY now in the extremely exclusive 100M lifetime sales club that only the most elite manga get into>failurelol k bro
They should've adapted Fire Punch.
>>288702529He doesn't like it so that means it's not a success. That's how it works.
>>288698412Pathetic bait like this should just be a public ban. Actual /v/ tier garbage.
>>288703290Taking 10 years to get an anime is already a flop compared to WSJ manga. WHA though isn't that high profile despite its retarded controversies and either way was never going to be the next big thing if we're talking about the same thing OP is talking about.
>>288703138Box office doesn't equate impact. There are plenty of franchises that sells out and they have comparatively little cultural footprint. It happens all the time. Little kids look up to their fave fictional characters more than their own mom and dad all the time. Lots of kids look up to Dom from Fast and Fast isn't known for its staying powerI see the link but my point still stands when you look at the multiplier. If a movie makes $100 million on opening weekend and finishes with $150 million total screening in over 3000 theaters then it had obiectively a terrible 2nd weekend for a reason. It ran out of steam immediately and never became a phenomenon. Doesn't matter how high the opening number was; the fact that it stopped selling tickets after the superfans left just show it failed to find a general audienceAlso, last part is not really up for discussion. If a theater keeps your movie on a screen for 266 days, they're giving up that screen for something else. Every day that a screen shows a movie making $50 in ticket sales is a day it isn't showing a newer, potentially more popular film that could be making $5000. It's not free to keep showing it. There's electricity costs, staff hours to run the projector, and the cost of cleaning. If box office revenue in the 8th month is less than the cost of keeping the lights on, the theater is just burning cash to keep that movie on the marquee
>>288703623>KGBCuck thinks anyone will read his chatgpt postBe sure to fully troon out when Kimetsu's next movie (once again) mindbreaks you.
>>288703674I don't care about Kagurabachi
>>288702832much larger lasting impact, doesn't qualify. There's at least four Dekus in WSJ right now
>>288703674>Kimetsu>KagurabachiWe need one more to form the KKK
Oh, didn't know I was talking to a shitposter so I'll ignore that>*hides post*
>>288703725Sir, your sasuga goldrush?
>>288698412damn, I didn't know OP could be so retarded, not only are all of these shows massive successes, but OP is just being a whiny bitch about it.
>>288703725CSM has even more copycats
>>288703501OK now list the manga inspired by Demon Slayer
>>288703883list somebeing edgy doesn't make a CSM clone
>>288703904Kagurabachi. The next big thing.
>>288703623>Little kids look up to their fave fictional characters more than their own mom and dad all the time. Lots of kids look up to Dom from Fast and Fast isn't known for its staying powerThe fact that it's engrained into kids' minds is evidence of cultural impact. You don't even live in Japan, so you can't say anything about cultural impact there. Nor have you provided evidence that there is no cultural impact.>Doesn't matter how high the opening number was; the fact that it stopped selling tickets after the superfans left just show it failed to find a general audienceI could argue the general audience flooded to it on opening weekend and stopped watching it. Percentage is more important because if you have a large opening weekend and drop off, the difference is going to be a higher number. >It's not free to keep showing it. There's electricity costs, staff hours to run the projector, and the cost of cleaning. If box office revenue in the 8th month is less than the cost of keeping the lights on, the theater is just burning cash to keep that movie on the marqueeThe theater is responsible for operation costs, not the studio. It would be the theater's call to stop showing the movie vs the studio. Explain how you came up with this logic because it sounds like bait.
>>288698412Sakamoto Days flopped harder than any of these
>>288703904We'll probably see some in the coming years, as kids who loved this series grow up and become a new generation of mangaka. KnY's success wasn't really due to any larger trend with genre or other gimmick, and its popularity is owed almost entirely to the anime adaptation, resulting in most of KnY's sales actually coming in at the end of its run, and after it finished. It's not the typical model for a popular manga. But it's undeniably popular. It outsold Bleach by 90 million copies while having a third of the total volumes.
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>>288703969Of course it left an impact on the Japanese. I don't live in Japan, so I don't speak from the eyes of an everyday Japanese person, I speak from how I see and experience things here in the West where it's impact is relatively smaller and more niche compared to its homeland. And likewise, you're not Japanese either so you speak from an outsider's perspective tooThat's why it's a massive drop. You just described a front loaded movie. A movie with actual legs or long-term appeal doesn't have a massive opening and then immediately crater. Movies like Top Gun Maverick and Avatar had big openings but didn't drop 75% in the 2nd weekend, they held their audience for months. If your percentage drop is massive, it means you burned through your entire interested audience in 72 hrs. That's the definition of a movie that failed to capture a general audienceActually, it's rarely ever the theater's call. It's almost always the studio's call through holdover clauses. When a studio licenses a movie to a theater chain, the contract dictates that the theater must keep the film on a certain number of screens for a set period of time regardless of how poorly it's performing in week 4 or 5. If the theater decides to pull a movie early, they're technically in breach of contract and risk losing the right to show the studio's next big blockbuster>Explain how you came up with this logic because it sounds like bait.It isn't bait, is just how the studio exhibitor power dynamic works. If it were just up to the theater, they would only show what makes them the most money that day. But theaters have to agree to studio terms that force them to keep dying movies on screens longer than the box office numbers justify. Studios do this all the time to manufacture milestones
>>288699096Anon, I think KnY is shit too, but that it was sucessful is just fact. Arguing for "muh impact" is just semantics.
>>288704592Those aren't mutually exclusive thoughYou can be successful without being impactful
>>288704500>Of course it left an impact on the JapaneseI accept your concession.>That's the definition of a movie that failed to capture a general audienceThe size of the gross matters. Outside of Japan, anime is relatively niche. If you want to argue about a general audience vs superfans, then anime is going to be full of superfans in general. This especially applies to sequels films because you would have watch previous material. The latest KnY movie made more than Mugen Train. Either it attracted a bigger general audience or it attracted a general audience who became superfans. Either way, you're arguing semantics in regard to general audience vs superfans in anime. We moved from it being the second biggest drop to 99th, box office mojo uses percentage as the standard. I can see your point about it being a large drop. However, that does not mean it was unprofitable after 2-5 weeks. >It's almost always the studio's call through holdover clauses.This is true. But studios set the minimum. In Japan, it ranked first two weeks in a row. Theaters kept showing it 30 weeks out. >When a studio licenses a movie to a theater chain, the contract dictates that the theater must keep the film on a certain number of screens for a set period of time regardless of how poorly it's performing>But theaters have to agree to studio terms that force them to keep dying movies on screens longer than the box office numbers justify. Studios do this all the time to manufacture milestonesI want objective evidence of this. Theaters pull box office bombs all the time. Profitability dictates how long movies stay in theaters. The Marvels had a 78% dropoff after the first week. And it was pulled from theaters by week 8. Disney didn't force The Marvels to stay in theaters.https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Marvels-The-(2023)
>>288703682You should.
>>288698541Anon, I like Toriko too, but it's the biggest "failed next big thing" in that whole list
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>>288702783Oh boy!
>>288704669Something tells me people in this thread have different ideas on what "impactful" even mean.
This is a very dumb thread
>>288698579At least Naruto had a cool setting. KnY doesn't even have that.
>>288698412Sakamoto is the unironic failed next big thing
>>288704081>>288708484Also Kaiju 8, they tried really hard to make this series work but it just doesn't, The MC being one of the unpopular characters is a gigantic red flag
>>288708508I don't like using this word but Kaiju no 8 was the most blatant victim of industry planting. Jump plus and I.G really went out their way to make it look like it's hugely popular but ask anyone if they remember any scenes or any characters and they'll come up with nothing .
>>288698412Put Frieren there too.
>even if something is the biggest thing of it's time it doesn't matter if it's not the biggest thing of all time
>>288698412Tokyo Revengers should be on this list, very popular while it was running and then completely fell out of the discourse
>>288708508>The MC being one of the unpopular characters is a gigantic red flagReally? Normally the MC, no matter how shitty they are like with Deku or Asta always tend to be top 3 on popularity polls
If kny came first in the 00s, do you think it would still be popular? What if naruto came in the 20s instead?
>>288708570>Really? Normally the MC, no matter how shitty they are like with Deku or Asta always tend to be top 3 on popularity pollsKafka came in below top 5. That's pathetically low for a series with not many characters and chapters. That's how shitty he was.
>>288708508The MC acting like a teenage boy despite being 30 honestly killed whatever potential appeal he could've gotten
>>288708538>Kaiju no 8>Samurai 8...do we have another one or just a coincidence?
>>288698412Demon Slayer, Chainsawman and Jujutsu are hugely popular.
>>288708538How did it get popular in japan anyway? Even for kaiju settings, the story is so barebones and you could replace Kafka with a generic shonen protag and it'll be the same. His age doesn't even matter
>>288708622So are tuberculosis and AIDS.
>>288698412Out of those OPM and Toriko were the ones who got fucked the most.
>>288708538>they'll come up with nothing .I remember liking the opening well enough, and the incredibly unflattering plug suits
>>288698412You can't convince me that a Season 3 to complete the story of Magi wouldn't be more successful/profitable than the heaps of Narouslop that get greenlit every single season.
>>288698412>image covers like 15 yearsJust because a "next big thing" of one time had another next thing come after it, doesn't mean it wasn't big at its time.This is like saying Azumanga, Haruhi, Lucky Star, K-On, and so on were failures
>>288708618Mighty No°9 should have been 8 instead.
>>288705337What I'm saying is cultural impact is highly regional and a franchise can leave a big impression on their locals and also not leave an impact globally speaking, it happens all the time. They're not mutually exclusiveWe're not arguing semantics. We're talking about market saturation. A blockbuster that brings in new audiences has a low percentage drop (between 30 and 40%) cause the pool of potential viewers is massive. A movie that's 95% superfans will always have a massive 2nd week drop because those fans already saw it on opening night. If IC didn't have a better hold than MT, it means it failed to grow its audience. It just monetized the same existing fanbase at a higher ticket price. Scaling your revenue by charging fans more isn't the same as expanding your audience footprint. Consistency matters more than raw percentage. A movie that makes $10 million every week for 10 weeks is far more valuable to a theater than a movie that makes $70 million in week 1 and $5 million in week 2. The latter destroys the theater's scheduling flexibilityActually, The Marvels proves my point. It was pulled at 56 days instead of 20 exactly because of those studio mandated contracts. The theater can't just drop it after 1 bad weekend; they were legally bound to keep it, losing money until the contract expired then the studio had to let it go to streaming to recoup costs elsewhereThe evidence is the standard industry practice of minimum play requirements. When a studio like Aniplex or Disney signs a contract with a chain like AMC or Cinemark, they don't just say 'show this when you feel like it.' They dictate a minimum number of weeks/showtimes. If a theater pulls the film before that period is up, they lose their booking prioritybfor the studio's next major release. That's why you see theaters running films to empty houses, they're buying the right to show the studio's next blockbuster
>>288708377"Impact" isn't just a singular term. It can and always will shift between being a noun and a verb, but it also shifts across different disciplines and contexts, meaning entirely different things.In the case of Demon Slayer: are we talking about cultural impact in the context of leaving a big impression on the locals? Then there's your answer. Are we talking impact among industry peers? Then it's limited, as I haven't seen up-and-rising mangaka inspired by Demon Slayer as of yet 6 years after ending. But I do see a lot of artists inspired by Chainsaw Man in a shorter timeframe. In this aspect, Chainsaw Man and Tatsuki Fujimoto left a bigger impact on industry peers than Demon Slayer and Koyoharu Gotouge. Are we talking about global impact? Then it has little to no cultural footprint (breaking out beyond its anime bubble to influence general mainstream culture) unlike Dragon Ball, One Piece, Naruto and Pokémon that crossed over and became a pop culture phenomenon.
>>288709687>Then it has little to no cultural footprint (breaking out beyond its anime bubble to influence general mainstream culture) unlike Dragon Ball, One Piece, Naruto and Pokémon that crossed over and became a pop culture phenomenon.Aside from getting everyone and their mothers to the cinema far more than all those, together.You and your chatgpt posts I swear.
>>288698412How did Demon Slayer fail when it beat all records and absolutely humiliated Warm Piss?
>>288698412Remove JJK and Demon Slayer from it. It stayed relevant towards the very end. Shitting up the ending arc is standard for all 'big things.
>>288709852>Aside from getting everyone and their mothers to the cinema far more than all those, together.Those "everyone" are the superfans though and the movie never actually expanded beyond its pre-existing base so it never kicked off and became a phenomenon the way the studio expected it
>>288698412half of these sold and earned millions, stop being a fuckin retard.
>>288698660Would you even consider CSM 2 to be the same? I kind of think of it like Boruto and Naruto or Bleach and whatever that sequel about Soul Society British Faction manga that nobody read to be the same.
>>288703582wsj properties take at least 4 years to get an anime now, everyone's afraid to put money in too early now
>>288698412The only show I don't recognise in is the World Trigger. Should it even be in this list of it was never that big for a casual viewer like me to not recognise it?
>>288709989Part 2 was meant to be a clear and impossibly unmistakable FUCK YOU to the NPCs that somehow failed to comprehend that Part 1 wasn’t for them. And yet they eat it up like rats in a trash heap. It’s in their nature.
>>288698412The next failed big thing?This thread
>>288709910I think because despite making a lot of money at the box office and the massive pushing on Japan's part, the franchise itself has little staying power. Dragon Ball, One Piece, Naruto and Pokémon all crossed over to become ubiquitous mainstream phenomena a part of everyday life globally, crossing over out of their anime bubble. Demon Slayer never really left its anime bubble and its fanbase remains highly concentrated. In this respect, it failed to become the next big thing in a similar vein because people don't have a common culture in Demon Slayer the way they do Dragon Ball, One Piece, Naruto and Pokémon. Its success is highly localized in Japan
>>288702783Contrary to popular opinion, Avatar is one of the most impactful movies of the 00s before all the capeshit took off. I wouldn't take recent box office numbers seriously. Most of it is driven by rising ticket costs plus population increase. I would measure things by inflation.
>>288702995>Chainsaw Man is an absurd failure in Japanese eyesDoesn't matter because CSM is massive worldwide.
>>288710060Though most of Avatar's impact was on the production side and not the narration side, so I get why people think it had 'no cultural impact'. It still inspired a slew of copy cats though (After Earth being an example, which was originally just a story about a boy and his father getting lost in woods but changed to an spess story just because that is the 'trend' now, or John Carter, which was explicitly called to be Disney trying to copy Avatar by msm at the time even though the book itself was older than most people alive then), mostly stories happening in off world settings at the time but almost all of them flopped so I can get why people think it's cultural impact is non existent because most zoomers didn't remember the time around its release.
>>288699210>I didn't like it therefore it's irrelevant
>>288698675>Did you forget the hype CSM was receiving before the anime?No because the Reze movie was huge./a/ lost.>b-butNo.
>>288710031In many ways, Tatsuki Fujimoto fans reminds me awfully a lot of Christopher Nolan fans and their cult-like admiration for him. Nolan did three amazing Batman movies while the rest of his output has been mediocre>>288710060Avatar's impact lies in the visuals and the experience of seeing Pandora in 3D, but its their cultural footprint is barely visible in daily human interaction. You don't really see peoppe quote Avatar in daily convos because it has no equivalent to "may the Force be with you" or "to infinity and beyond." Does Avatar even have memorable characters? I barely remember Jake Sully and I only remember him for being that dude who wants to clap blue cheeks
>>288710153It's funny because they are still popular and sell a lot of merch./a/ lives in a bubble.
>>288710196I remember Varang from Avatar 3>Show me how to make thunder!
>>288710196>You don't really see peoppe quote Avatar in daily convos because it has no equivalent to "may the Force be with you" or "to infinity and beyond."I don't see people saying these things outside the internet.
>>288710031Yeah no, Fujimoto was just writing what he wanted. He has no vendetta against anyone.
>>288710196>cultural footprintI've talked about it here >>288710129>>288710198I don't think it is. You measure how unpopular an opinion here is by the amount of (You)s it gets. That's why OP has so much (You)s for putting Demon Slayer and CSM the same league as Toriko.
>>288709111>>288709111We were arguing about different levels of cultural impact. I was focused on the Japanese impact. Yeah, Demon Slayer doesn't have as much of a global cultural impact as DB or Naruto. That's partially due to the fact that anime became more mainstream and saturated with shounen series. Back in the 2000s, DB and Naruto didn't have as much to compete with in the US at least.>Scaling your revenue by charging fans more isn't the same as expanding your audience footprint.MT made $512.7 mil. IC made $793.5 mil. That's >50% growth. Accounting for inflation, $512.7 mil in 2020 is $636.1 mil in 2025. That's still a 25% growth. An increase in ticket price alone does not explain this. Growth and price increases are not mutually exclusive. >A movie that makes $10 million every week for 10 weeks is far more valuable to a theater than a movie that makes $70 million in week 1 and $5 million in week 2.First off, that's an extreme example with a 95% drop-off. Secondly, one is making $100 mil vs $75-80 mil (post-week 2 estimate). The front-loaded example should be making more money overall. Let's put your theory into action. FNAF made $297.2 mil with a 2nd week drop-off of 76.2%. FNAF2 made $239.6 mil with a 2nd week drop-off of 69.7%. Are you arguing the lower drop-off means that FNAF2 had a bigger (general) audience?>Actually, The Marvels proves my point.No, it doesn't. It does the opposite. It premiered in 4,030 theaters. 2,200 by week 4 with roughly half the theaters dropping it. When I said they pulled it out after Week 8, there were 160 theaters showing it or 4% of the original. Let's compare it to IC in North America. 3,315 opening, 3342 2nd week (it grew), 2,547 4th week or 75%, 390 week 8 or 11%. So at least in NA, these theaters aren't being forced to air films to reach a milestone. Theaters drop them as they make less money. The rule you state applies to the first to second week. You have yet to provide an example that proves your previous claim.
>>288708508>>288708538>Kaiju No. 8>Spends most of the series human sizedI'm glad it failed
>>288699210KnY, 7th best manga sales. 1st and 2nd highest grossing japanese films. JJK at 10th best manga sales and 14th top grossing. Anyone who thinks these didn't fail are fucking morons. LOL!
>>288710196>Nolan did three amazing Batman movies while the rest of his output has been mediocreThe Dark Knight was amazing. Batman Begins was good. The Dark Knight Rises is mediocre at best.Also, Memento was amazing. Inception and Interstellar are overrated
>>288710420For me? It's The Prestige.
Does kabenari of the iron fortress count
>>288710295That's also fine, not every IP needs to have the same global reach as DB and Naruto, others are doing just fine domestic and this series was made for Japan firstYou're equating higher total gross with audience growth which is a false equivalence. If a theater sells 100 tickets to 100 unique people in week 1, and then only 20 people in week 2, that's a failure to sustain interest. If you only sell 20 tickets in week 1, but then sell 20 tickets every week for 10 weeks, you have higher audience retention and better theater utility. If Demon Slayer made more money due to premium format surcharges like IMAX and 4DX and inflationary ticket hikes, then it's monetary growth, not audience expansion. A true general audience hit sees a shallow drop cause casual viewers are discovering it through word of mouth. A 75% drop confirms you have tapped out your interest pool instantlyYour other post also ignores the contractual floor. Again, studios use clearing terms. A theater might not be forced to keep a movie for 9 months, but they're often contractually obligated to keep it for a 3-4 week exclusive window regardless of performance cause that's most critical time for a new movie's profitability. If a movie is performing poorly, that locked screen is a dead zone. Theaters don't choose to keep a movie, they're fulfilling a booking commitment to ensure they get the next major blockbuster and is standard industry practiceActually, FNAF reinforces what I say cause FNAF is the poster child for front-loaded, fan-driven movies. It wasn't a general audience hit that grew through word of mouth, it was a fan event that burned out immediately. If you look at a movie like Top Gun Maverick or Avatar, they both had legs cause they reached people who didn't know or care about the franchise. Demon Slayer and FNAF are the opposite cause they rely entirely on the capture rate of an existing base. It's fine if you call it a success but I don't call it audience expansion
>>288698412What was Toei and Jump even hoping with Toriko? Granted the manga sold really well but it never had the potential to be a mega hit. It's too masculine with a weird food premise
>>288710853It has a super macho guy wearing an orange jumpsuit. They unironically thought it'll be a big hit with trying to appeal to Dragon Ball fans
>>288710853Nothing. They pushed it simply because the author behind Toriko, Mitsutoshi Shimanukuro, was friends with Oda. It's even thanks to Oda that Shimabukuro got his job back at Shueisha after a scandal.
>>288698412I really find it odd and unexplainable that Black Clover is one of the most popular anime of the last decade yet it has mediocre manga sales.Like it was the most watched anime on Crunchyroll from 2015-2020 and it's one of the most watched anime on Netflix rn, and the trailers for season 2 keep breaking records, yet that doesn't translate to manga sales at all.Maybe it was bcuz of the weekly schedule for the anime, like Boruto and D super didn't sell either because they were the last remnants of the weekly anime like Black Clover.Wish someone would make a 2 hour video essay on it so I can form my opinion on the matter.
Still haven't watched KnY and still never will. I'm just not interested in modern shounen media.
>>288710295Dont bother. This is the same schizo that spent months claiming Infinity Castle would make 200m TOTAL then had a mental breakdown when it destroyed records.
>>288698579The most disappointing thing about Kimetsu is the art. Even when big 3 were in the toilet at various times, they had the decency to look good. Not consistently, mind you, but often enough to keep reminding readers that their respective mangaka are passionate about their craft and have serious skillz. With KnY, it's genuinely hard to find a gorgeous spread in the entire thing. Combined with the other problems you get this soulless blend that makes you question if anyone involved in this ever cared about anything other than cynically raking it in. With big 3, I at least know for a fact these guys poured their heart into their work. KnY is just another flavor of Fairy Tail. It's so easy to hate on precisely because there is nothing it excels at at any given point.
>>288710817>You're equating higher total gross with audience growth which is a false equivalence. If a theater sells 100 tickets... [I]f Demon Slayer made more money due to premium format surcharges...You're not reading what I wrote. I never made that claim. I said growth and price increase are not mutually exclusive. You cannot definitively prove IC's increased box office revenue is solely due to ticket price alone. That's why you're making hypotheticals. You're conflating drop-off rate and accessibility to a general audience. This isn't something you can prove. You never addressed my points about inflation. So, show me proof that IC's increased box office is due to ticket price increase alone.>Your other post also ignores the contractual floor. Again, studios use clearing terms. A theater might not be forced to keep a movie for 9 months, but they're often contractually obligated to keep it for a 3-4 week exclusive window regardless of performance cause that's most critical time for a new movie's profitability.I said studios can typically force theaters to keep their movies for the first two weeks. The Marvel Rivals link explicitly proves that. You're clearly not looking at the chart and avoiding my argument. The threaters steadily drops from week 3. Same thing with KnY. But I noticed you shifted the original studios forced theaters to air a movie for 8 months claim to 8 weeks.You've moved the goalposts... again. Your original argument was that the studio was forcing theaters to keep IC in theaters to hit a certain margin. The numbers show theaters roughly 90% of theaters dropped IC by week 8. How is your original claim true? You have yet to provide direct evident of your claims and still rely on hypotheticals.>If you look at a movie like Top Gun Maverick or Avatar, they both had legs cause they reached people who didn't know or care about the franchise.They had a lower drop-off rate. Are you saying these two franchises had audience expansion as well?
>>288698412>Demon Slayer>failedyou didn't check manga sales, did you? you didn't check how many people watch this, did you?I don't like this piece of shit but I won't deny it's popularity and that it's big>Chainsaw Man>failedexcept, it wasn't. especially Reze arc adaptation. Fujimoto just got bored with manga, but adaptation is incredibly popular
Tougen Anki>>288710758originals, even lovingly animated and well-promoted ones, aren't really in the ballpark of "next big thing" that adaptations of popular manga are
>>288712009I hold similar feelings that the manga is very badly drawn in many places and there aren't really any nice spreads for highlighted moments. Even if the Big 3 has some awkward art time and again, I can at least tell the mangaka are skilled and passionate about their craft when they really try. There's not much we know about the Demon Slayer artist, but I have this hunch he was (and still is) an amateur artist who didn't seriously start to draw until he got his manga published.For awhile, I actually wondered what Torishima, the Dragon Ball editor, meant when he called the Demon Slayer manga raw coffee beans and I think I finally know what he meant and it was a very sophisticated insult. Think about how coffee beans are sold: they are uniform, roasted to a specific profile to ensure they taste the same every time, and sold in bulk. Demon Slayer feels like it was engineered for a demographic, while Dragon Ball was so chaotic to the point where the artists didn't know what came next. One felt organic; the other feels processed. But it's also that eaw and messy improvisation that gave Dragon Ball its soul. The same can be said for the Big 3 whose mangaka also wrote their stories by the seat of their pants and they didn't know what came next. Demon Slayer follows the "shounen formula" very strictly but because it does that, it also lacks the soul of an individual genius.
I guess people just really hate it when the Japs make a succesful thing nowadays
>>288710853It would have been huge in the 80s, and probably nowadays too, but the late 00s-early 10s were by far the most hostile era to GAR since it was the peak of moe. The era not being right for it was a minor issue compared to it getting adapted by Toei at its very worst, though. Them neutering it with 4Kids-style censorship and insufferable anime-original kiddiness (look at this shit, and how the Japanese comments mention how they were embarrassed by it even as kids: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7tUbsLdhqw) to sell it to toddlers turned away the possible audience of mature fans it might have had.
>>288698412Only Toriko and maybe Black Clover apply here.KnY and JJK are Big 3 tier, they aren't failures in any sense of the word; if anything, they make Naruto and Bleach look like failures. One Punch Man was an international success; perhaps it hasn't had lasting power, but I don't think anyone thought it would, it's just a meme. Chainsaw Man and World Trigger are super popular despite being trash, they are more successful than they have any right to be. Magi, Dr. Stone and SDS are decently popular and they look just like that: something that would be decently popular; they're not real battle shounen so they were never going to get real battle shounen numbers, but they're still recognizable and have their own solid fanbases.The only two in this picture that might qualify are Black Clover and Toriko. Black Clover is not popular in any sense of the word, I'm surprised it even got an anime, despite the fact it's a legit battle shounen. It's an obvious knockoff of Naruto, but it debuted alongside MHA which is also a Naruto knockoff and that series is super popular. I always call Black Clover the Fairy Tail of Naruto, but Fairy Tail is also more popular than Black Clover. My only hesitation with calling Black Clover the failed next big thing is that I don't know of anyone actually thought it would ever be the next big thing. Chapter 1 is so boring and derivative, I can't imagine someone reading it and thinking, "Yup, this will make waves!" It's like Boruto: you can read it if you want something more Naruto-like, but it's not Naruto so I wouldn't recommend it.Toriko, like Reborn and Psyren, felt like it could have been part of the new generation of battle shounen, it just wasn't good enough. Which made people think there'd never be another generation of battle shounen, until MHA showed up and made these other series look bad. You might think Toriko is just mid, but it shared a special one-shot with One Piece and Dragon Ball. Think about that for a second.
>>288712925He probably means something else. Yes, KnY is undoubtedly insanely popular right now but that´s partly because the bar is set pretty low. Don´t get me wrong, personally i think simplicity in design is a good thing, it works, but i also believe KnY lacks the iconic value necessary to become memorable in the long run. We´ll only know how truly successful it is if it manages to become one of those things people still talk about in a decade or two. It´s not even about being good, Naruto is pretty shit and it´s still talked about, SnK was awful and a disappointment of almost GoT magnitude but it´d seem it was impactful enough that people refuse to memory hole it. If you ask me, it´s about having a distinct identity or something like that.
CSM is yuuge though
>>288713371>KnY and JJK are Big 3 tier, they aren't failures in any sense of the word; if anything, they make Naruto and Bleach look like failures.Naruto is still light years ahead of both and people still talk about after the story ended 12 years ago. No one talks about Demon Slayer when there's no anime around because its entire identity lives and dies on the anime. When the anime is on air, the discussion is mostly "it looks nice", "that fight was hype", "I cried during that scene."Jujutsu Kaisen is the same. The second the manga ended, all discussion died. The only thing that keeps this series from vanishing into obscurity is the anime: "it looks nice", "that fight was hype", "bro was aura farming."You're right about Bleach. But it was always the weakest of the Big 3.
>>288713064To be fair, you can say the same thing about America or China whenever they make something successful
>>288699210So Dragon Ball is the only successful shonen then.
>>288713602Hours watched isn't a fair metric since Demon Slayer has a shorter runtime compared to Naruto's 720 episodes.
>>288713371In the case of Reborn, it was always handicapped by the literal starting arc not actually being a battle shonen. And the worst part is that, all those gag episodes are canon because it introduced the core cast so it's also hard not to skip it
>>288714128Which makes you wonder how in the world is the remake of KHR going to do the beginning arc. Because I doubt something like this ADHD ridden generation can get through it and Reborn was already panned back then for its very slow beginning.
>>288713064It’s art not industry. Yeah I’m kinda mad at the anglos for a lot of our hell but they also made everything I own. When hollyweird or whoever can’t make art that is good idc if it’s successful marvelslop is successful too
The zoomer generation would've ripped Hitman Reborn to pieces with Tsuna alone.
>>288714213As it should, and as it happened back then because people hated tsuna when he didn't have a bullet in his brain.
>>288714213Eh, Tsuna is better than Deku because Tsuna has no high attaining goals unlike with Deku who aims to be a top hero. Not to mention, Tsuna is not forgiving so he won't say stupid shit like wanting to save the villain who clearly killed people prior.
>>288714213It's kinda amazing how people don't slander tsuna nowadays. I mean, not to the extent as the infamous Deku and Megumi are getting for defying the norms of shounen. But his attitude would've pissed off a lot of people as Deku did so I digress.
>>288698412world trigger being included in this is super funny considering it's a giga autist level spreadsheet type of series. No casual is ever going to feel strongly attracted to that type of story. No way anyone involved in that ever expected it to become "the next big thing" at any point lmao. Plus the MC feelsl ike it was design on purpouse to filter as many normies as physically posible kek.
>>288714243>>288714274i'd say Tsuna gets less evil slander than Deku. One big factor is that Tsuna has his powers and is still vongola boss even until the end while Deku lost his and became a wagie.And in regards to megumi, Tsuna would still fight despite being such a pussy outside of HDW.
>people are still posting in a barryjeremysybb thread
>>288698412Dr stone doesn't belong here
>>288714128KHR got fucked over hard for the final arc being a complete nothingburger because the "final fight" isn't even a fight. You can tell Amano was given the axe because the sequence of events are so unnatural.
>>288714274Since we're on the topic of slander. Tsuna is basically what Deku is for the old gen as Gohan is this for Megumi. Had KHR and DBZ aired today, Tsuna and Gohan would be the two most slandered characters of shounen
>>288714231>and as it happened back then because people hated tsuna when he didn't have a bullet in his brain.It was honestly very painful that Tsuna still acts like a faggot after the whole future arc. You'd think he'd change by now but he isn't. The ending is even worse.
>>288703964The next big flop*
>>288713602Who the fuck cares about Netflix? Are you retarded?>No one talks aboutWho? Where? I see people talk about both series all the time.>"it looks nice", "that fight was hype"That's all battle shounen. Dragon Ball discussion is actually even less deep than that, if you can fathom such a thing, and Dragon Ball is the father of the genre and has unparalleled success.>The second the manga ended, all discussion diedThere are threads every day of people talking about Modulo or complaining about Potential Man. Are you seriously trying to claim that Naruto discussion is more alive? By what fucking metric?You're just making shit up. You had to use fucking Netflix of all things to try and make an argument. And that argument was that "the 8th most watched anime on Netflix is a failure". Yeah, can't believe it was only able to beat Attack on Titan, that nothing series I have definitely never heard of from anyone anywhere.>>288714128YuYu Hakusho didn't start out as a battle shounen. Dragon Ball and JoJo's Bizarre Adventure technically began before battle shounen was a subgenre: Dragon Ball starts out as an adventure/comedy and the series changes quite drastically about a third of the way in, and JJBA starts out as a HnK ripoff with vampires and doesn't introduce Stands until more than 100 chapters in. Hunter x Hunter also doesn't introduce Nen until its second arc. Demon Slayer has had monstrous success and I'm not sure it qualifies as a battle shounen either (it is about battling, and it is for shounen, but you know what I mean), it's just early JoJo with swords but cute. A lot of people back in the day also hated Bleach's slow start.Reborn's problem was its lack of focus, structure, rules, balance, etc. It was basically a battle shounen written by someone who didn't know what boys like. I wouldn't be surprised if Amano had never read a battle shounen. I know she likes Vento Aureo, but I'm pretty sure she just sat there ogling the cute Italian twinks.
>>288714907Akira Amano is actually a man so your statement actually makes Reborn worse because it's written by a man who has no idea what his own gender is like
>>288714907KHR's author gave me the impression she was forced to make a battle shounen because nobody liked the gag aspect of Reborn and thus needed to shift towards the battle shounen genre. I mean, it did work. But you get what i mean
Toriko deserves a FMA:B style remakeIt could've been as big as One Piece today if Toei didn't milk it with a shitty anime that was worse than dragon ball super
KHR is funny because I've never seen anyone actually talk about the powerscaling in that series. It was all yaoi shipping. Shit was basically a BL manga disguised as a shounen
>>288714907Just because people talk about the stuff you like in your circle doesn't it mean people are talking about it on a regular basis. Dragon Ball discussion can be all about powerscaling and that's still far more discussion than Demon Slayer and Jujutsu Kaisen gets. Once their anime are gone, their novelty wears off and they have to stand on their own which they don't do much. Jujutsu Kaisen might have a bit more going with Modulo and Megumi being a bum, but that's about it and you can only talk about the same stuff for so long.Manga sales are completely irrelevant too. There are plenty of bestsellers that has little staying power relative to their commercial success. Bestseller status is often just a reflection of aggressive marketing, promotional timing, or bulk purchasing rather than intrinsic literary merit. Many chart toppers fizzle out completely once their novelty wears off and it happens all the time. Da Vinci Code sold over 80 million copies and the cultural conversation around it stalled almost entirely shortly after its film adaptations concluded.
>>288715040THIS IS A DUDE?>>288715269>manga sales are irrelevant>BUT NETFLIX DOE???You're brown. Stop posting.
>>288702354Name few most recent things that had impact
>>288715849I'll answer for him: whatever he likes, because "impact" is a meaningless, subjective term, so he can just define it using whatever metric puts his favorite series at the top. Hope that helps!
>>288715686The people who obsessively talk about brown people are brown people themselves. My ethnicity is completely irrelevant to the subject matter. Also, manga sales and Netflix are two completely different metrics; manga sales often represent initial hype, collector mentality, and dedicated superfans, streaming data provides a more reliable metric for casual audience engagement, retention, and long-term global mainstream appeal. Not comparable.>>288715849Well, there's K Pop Demon Hunters for one. Of all things, I'm probably the most baffler (I'm still trying to study its success) by this one and how it blew up in such a short span of time. The hype around it didn't seem to die out despite the movie dropping almost a year ago, I saw that singer perform at the World Cup's opening ceremony. Then there's Obsession and what started out as an indie horror later went on to become a cultural phenomenon we haven't seen since Paranormal Activity. If we talk about anime, then no. I don't think so. Not yet at least.
>>288711297Same. I never had any interest in any of them, because they feel like a retread of the classics.
>>288717684Funny because thats the reason I picked it up.
>>288713602I can cherry pick charts too.
>kny jjk in picture>mha notjeremy thread?
>>288716324>blew up in a short span of time>massive hype around it despite coming out a year ago>Singer at the world cupSo like what Demon Slayer did? Also wtf is Obsession?
>>288714355I dunno feels like nobody cares that the last season of the anime is airing right now
i liked magi
>>288719069That chart actually helps my case and not yours, because Naruto still tops Demon Slayer and falls just a little behind One Piece that's still ongoing and blew up with that live action show. Naruto Shippuden ended 10 years ago, that's what I call true staying power.>>288719258Yes, but on a greater scale. K Pop Demon Hunters actually blew up and became a true global phenomenon. I don't think I'd live to see the day Taylor Swift gets dethroned by an animated K-pop girl band. Their song even spent 18 weeks on No. 1 Billboard charts. Obsession is an indie horror movie about social anxiety and heartbreak. It blew up among Gen Z, broke a bunch of records and made $300 million at the box office on a budget of $750k. It's one of the most profitable movies of all time.
salesfagging is spiritually brown behavior
>>288698412>makes $1.3B in box office alone>still called a failure
>>288712922No and the problem is you're confusing financial growth with audience growth. If a business doubles its prices, it sees financial growth, but its customer base size might remain identical or even shrink. Demon Slayer sequels are essentially "must see" events for a pre-existing base. When you utilize premium formats (IMAX, 4DX, ScreenX) that carry higher ticket surcharges, you are extracting more revenue per head. That's not audience expansion, that's increasing the average revenue per user or ARPU. A true general audience hit expands the total number of people entering theaters; a front loaded sequel just makes the existing fans pay more to see it in a fancier formatYour post about FNAF and The Marvels actually proves my point. Both films are notorious examples of fan event releases that were front loaded and suffered massive week 2 drops cause they couldn't convert casuals. The fact that theaters dropped The Marvels as soon as the minimum play window expired just confirms the industry practice: theaters want to dump underperforming films, but they are tethered to them by contractual minimums. The only reason a movie stays in theaters for 9 months like IC did is cause the studio and exhibitor have a specialized, long term deal to keep it on the books for milestones, even if the daily box office ROI for the theater is negligibleThe "evidence" is the standard industry definition of minimum play requirements'. It's public knowledge that major studios mandate specific showtimes and screen counts for the first 3-4 weeks of a release to ensure the film has a 'fair' chance to catch fire. This isn't even a conspiracy, it's industry standard for blockbuster distribution. When a film has a 75% drop, it is objectively failing to sustain itself. If the theater were acting purely on profitability, they would have replaced that screen with a higher performing title in week 2. They don't cause they have a booking commitment
>>288720836You now remember OP and Naruto have 1000+ ep and 700+ ep to Demon Slayer's 63 and it caught up to shows that had the advantage of less competition and aired decades before it with the most autistic fans.
I thought you didnt need to talk about box office numbers anymore you cumstained mattress refugee?
>>288720836In the US and Korea but its not popular in Japan and China.
>>288722730If anything, it's the opposite. Demon Slayer had the massive advantage of dropping right into the peak streaming and social media era, allowing it to go viral instantly. A single viral, beautifully animated episode (like episode 19) can circulate across TikTok, YouTube, and Twitter in a matter of hoursThe early 2000s Big 3 era was far more brutal because they relied on the brute force of syndication. They built a dedicated, long term audience by dropping a new episode every single week without fail. Traction was built slowly through word of mouth, Toonami/Adult Swim, and weekly manga. One Piece especially had it rough due to 4Kids sabotaging it but it still succeeded in spite of it
>>288722937Actually you just agreed with what I was saying. Naruto and OP were a few of the only anime shows that were airing globally and were mainly competing with only each other and even so OP only truly took off in the US thanks to covid and after its competition ended. By then anime was everywhere and easier to watch which means way more competition. Naruto already had a built in dedicated fanbase when streaming hit, demon slayer didnt and with a sliver of the episode count. And somehow its a failed next big thing.
>>288710758Not really because it was just one of the many Attack on Titan copycats back then.
>>288698412One punch man looked like it'd be a surefire hitthen season 2 happenedthen 3and the threat of part 2 of season 3 will happen.Toriko was absolutely a failed big thing. They had a crossover with One Piece and DBZ.Dr. Stone was always ass. No idea what anyone ever saw in that shit.
>>288709989Unlike those, it's literally the same manga. It continues off of the same volume count and all.
>>288722650>[I]f a business doubles its prices, it sees financial growth... [A] true general audience hit expands the total number of people...All that and you still haven't addressed my point. I never said the box office increase was due to growth alone, stop strawmanning my point. You still haven't acknowledged I accounted for inflation. You're claiming the box office increase is due to ticket price increases alone. You broadly state the large drop-off = lack of a general audience. You rely on hypotheticals and I will keep circling back to this because you have yet to provide a single piece of evidence.>Your post about FNAF and The Marvels actually proves my point... [C]onfirms the industry practice... [T]he only reason a movie stays in theaters for 9 months like IC did...I want you to read this carefully because you're clearly not understanding. The minimum play window is around two weeks. Explain how this isn't an individual theater's decision to drop a film based on profitability when a variable number of them dropped both The Marvels and IC by week 3. https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Demon-Slayer-Kimetsu-no-Yaiba-The-Movie-Infinity-Castle-(2025-Japan)Week 8: 12% of theaters still aired IC. Week 9: when 221 out of the original 3,315 showed IC, the gross per theater INCREASED. The original run only lasted 17 weeks. IC reran on week 26 and the gross per theater increased again. ~50% of them dropped IC on week 27, one week after. Explain to me how this isn't a theater's decision based on profitability but rather your claim with actual evidence.>The "evidence" is the standard industry definition...This is just you repeating yourself.>When a film has a 75% drop, it is objectively failing to sustain itself.You're using objectively wrong. This isn't causative. You're not considering the original amount a film grosses. A $100K movie making $25K on week 2 is vastly different from a $100M film making $25M. You also dodged my question about Top Gun and Avatar.
>>288699210Where I work there are zoomers who are obsessed with JJK ranging from 19-29 and they love their JJK. Even the ones who have read the manga hype it up for the ones watching only the anime etc. Also I was called a faggot for liking Jojo so that's kind of cool ig
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>>288698412OP is a tranny seething at kimetsu and jjk and bumping this thread on a dead board at 19k posts endlesslyNews flash OP. Kimetsu still made 800 million. JJK is still the most memed anime right now. Their popularity is insane and will stay insane for a long long time. You'll still seethe
>>288710044>is highly localized in JapanYe lets just forget the fact that its the only anime movie to be #1 in 20+ countries worldwide from Japanand the only one to>break 50m>Break 60m>etc etc up to 120 MILLIONin the USA. J, looking forward to your cope about how the new demon slayer movie won't break 300 million just like you did for this one kek and it broke not only Mugen's, but it did by over 300m.
>>288698412this is OP btw>>288711748KEK
>>288698412Why are you like this?
>>288708570One of those is not like the others. A docile 30 year old manchild is universally repulsive.
>>288698412JJK and CSM are the current big things though
>>288725655It's also the only anime movie to open in 3,000+ theaters and plummet after just one weekend. When distributors release a movie on that scale, they expect a four-quadrant general audience: casuals, date night crowds, families, under-25, over-25, male, female. This movie didn't attract such audience, it was watched primarily by a preexisting base consisting of 18 to 30 something year olds, skewing heavily towards male and Latino/Hispanic audiences, and so it never became a phenomenon the way the studio expected it. In fact, casual audiences went on to watch The Conjuring: Last Rites that successfully crossed over. Breaking some niche record doesn't really matter when you barely registered to the general public's minds.
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>>288710125A massive failure worldwide lmao
I accept your concession, Jeremy
>>288728757Meant for this btw >>288722650
