>shonenshit
Berserk is shoujo

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>>288702407
Is that you, Casca? Still butthurt about Griffith choosing Guts over your lowborn peasant ass?

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>>288702407
It would be absolutely silly not to have Griffiths demise due directly to the moonlit boy, thus his demise comes full circle from his womb busting of Casca. If it's anything other than that... well, not like it matters, Miura is gone which means Berserk's true vision will never be realized.

Fucking idiot

>>288702407
This is borderline incoherent, there's almost nothing similar about Griffith becoming a godhand and Guts's birth, and saying they're both in the interstice is hilariously nothingburger of a statement ever since the worlds merged - everyone is in the interstice.

However, I'm sure this will allow Guts to fight Griffith on equal footing now somehow.

>>288703195
>there's almost nothing similar about Griffith becoming a godhand and Guts's birth
The thing Guts cared the most was sacrificed so he could be born.

guts is literally the opposite of the chosen one. He's outside of fate because he wasn't supposed to live.

>>288702728
An older lady was telling her life story at work to us, she is her mid-50s now and when she was younger, around 10-11 yo, she got raped three times by the same man.
The first and second times she tried to fight back. The third time the dude kept telling her to relax and enjoy. She surrendered and began liking it.
It was still rape but weird shit happens.
He tried to rape her a fourth time but this time, she was like "Well? Come here, let's get over it, then!" and he bailed.
Later she discovered that he was a serial rapist and had raped a bunch of other girls around town.
His thing was the victimization, once she offered, he was no longer interested.
She lived a pretty hard life from then on.

Btw, where can I read the latest chapter? EG seems dead.

>>288702728
yea

Trolling or not, you're stupid as fuck if you thought Guts, born of a corpse, superhuman strong to swing around a sword that requires multiple men to carry, is specifically implied to be "special" by Skull Knight, is suppose to be a regular human.

This trope only offends certain modern sensibilities because it is antiethical to egalitarian communist feminism

>>288704896
guts isn't strong because he's special, he's just unbound by fate

>>288702407
First Emperor
Descendant of Amaterasu
Yadda Yadda

>>288702407
Why do you care about fanfiction

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This is the path you chose, morifag.

>>288703386
fanfiction.net

>>288702728
Hot. Casca was so lucky to have an orgasm that literally melted her brain.

>>288705033
So... The ONLY human with free will isn't special. Got it.

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>>288702407
>b-b-b it's "muh seinen"
That's what you will hear from Berkfags. This, or just coping that "Miura would've never done this if he had been alive!" if a Berkfag isn't a fan of nu-Berserk specifically. Both will ignore the reality and pretend that this story isn't a mediocre shonenshit if you take away "muh mature elements" such as rape, with lolishit and bad jokes shat on the readers' faces.

Isn't fatalism always the theme of Berserk?

>>288704989
No, it's because it's redundant. A main character is already special by virtue of being a main character, there's no need to ruin immersion by making it literal.

>>288706657
It could be of this story hasn't been dogshit for the last fifteen years.

>>288702407
>chosen one"
It doesn't say that about GuTs though.
Just a reminder for the readers that GuT's struggle affects reality.
We've know this for like 20 years.

It's been mentioned in multiple chapters

>>288702407
I don't see the problem. The newest chapter is just explain why Guts is "special" and that's it. Not to mention this origin also brings him decades of absolutely shit life.

The way to defeat Griffith is not only just the strength, but also by completely shattering his dreams, just like an eagle that flies higher, then crashes harder.

>>288707809
Affecting the world by inspiring people around you in some way is different to reshaping reality, Anon.

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>>288707953
Anon, the witch Loli literally says his mental strength shapes reality.
It's why Guts has been able to struggle his way past insane odds.

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>>288708095
It's just an asspull, Anon. A cheap excuse.

>>288703277
I know. People seriously lack reading comprehension here. Not only is this all information we've known for decades, it basically means Guts is the exact opposite of Griffith. Griffith is literally chosen by fate, his entire existence was planned out and set in stone from birth, he's destiny's special little boy. Guts is the opposite, he's not supposed to exist, he's an extra digit fouling up all the calculations. Nothing in the plan accounts for him. The universe itself wants to erase him.

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>>288708303
>YOU LACK READING COMPREHENSION WHEN YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT I LIKE

>>288708337
He's right though.

>>288702407
Try being born special, faggot

>>288708354
Maybe next time

he clearly needed a major power up if this shit was going to continue. this wasnt such a bad solution retcon or not

Guys being born from a corpse alone makes him special and the fact can wield the dragon slayer

>>288708409
He could’of just bathed in Schierke’s period blood that would’of giving him the power of the cosmic womb of the primordial embryo the yoke of fusion

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>>288708454
Something I thought Miura did right was make the build up to him having a huge sword mostly believable. Small kid, normal sword; big kid, big sword. He doesn't get the dragonslayer until after shit gets magical and that's a good excuse.

>>288708494
The Miura extended universe confirms that the real magic fluid is lolipiss

>>288702407
Its very clear it's you were created by that moment not you were destined by that moment

>>288702407
>It was already overdone in dragon ball
What? There is no "chosen one" in DB, actually it's the opposite, Goku was essentially a loser in his race. Sure compared to humans in DB he was special, but he wasn't a chosen one there either, and in Z he just worked his ass up there. The one with the most talent in the cast became a loser towards the last arc.

>>288708213
It's a literally a theme that's been around in the manga for over 20 years.
20 fucking years.
You damn speed reader.

God I fucking hate the cunt who is in charge of continuing Berserk. Just let it die, jesus christ. If its not Miura, its not canon. Inb4 muh notes muh will muh trust. Yeah stfu did Miura draw and write it? No fuck off.

>>288709158
I require an ending.
No matter how shitty, I require closure.

>>288709181
Let it rest mate. Its for the best.

>>288702407
Miura is dead. This fanfic isn't canon. Berserk never pulled the choose one. It ended on the island as open ended tragedy

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>>288708303
>Guts is the opposite, he's not supposed to exist, he's an extra digit fouling up all the calculations. Nothing in the plan accounts for him.
Huh.

>>288702407
Easy. Mori is like the average Jap mangaka bound by anime tropes and can't think outside the box. The real tragedy here is Miura not concluding this story decades ago when he perfectly knew he wrote himself in the corner. Instead he created more filler and even wrote another manga in between thus slowing down the story even further. More mangaka should emulate Baki's author Keisuke Itagaki who wisely concluded the main plot 15 years ago and just continued writing just to entertain himself. Imagine if Berserk ended 20 years ago and Miura just continued the plot using side characters to expand the world of Berserk. I think we wouldn't be in this situation where the fanbase is divided.

>>288702407
So you got blown the fuck out in the previous threads and you made a new one to assert your wrong interpretation of the text, very cool.

>>288705033
>he's just unbound by fate
Read the manga

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>>288709035
Let me summarize it. So Guts
>was the most important person in Griffith life
>won countless battles for him almost singlehandedly
>killed thousands of his enemies for him
>brought him closer to achieving his dream than he ever was
>rugpulled him by abandoning him and throwing him into desperation
>Griffith fucked the royal princess just to cope with the loss of him
>because of it Griffith lost EVERYTHING overnight (his dream, his status, his comrades)
>because of it Griffith was left to rot away in a rape dungeon
>two years after he helps to save Griffith
>without him it wouldn't be possible
>unknowingly takes Griffith to the exact location where the sacrificial ceremony was scheduled to take place in the exact time (the eclipse)
>during Griffith's decision to sacrifice his band, he laments mostly about Guts, thinking how he was the most important thing in his life
Guts was literally the most important moving piece to shape Griffith's fate according to God Hand's scheme, but somehow he was BORN OUTSIDE OF FATE and WASN'T SUPPOSED TO EXIST? Despite the fact it was completely unaddressed before this chapter? Despite the fact Skull Knight clearly telling Guts he exists outside of fate (interstice) DUE TO THE SACRIFICIAL BRAND?
Yeah, ok

>>288708409
How does this even power him up
I don't see how it changes any fucking thing

>>288702407
>Chosen One
You're misunderstanding the manga

>>288712137
if fucking Farnese can learn magic then surely guts can draw some kind of power from the spirit realm

>>288712019
>The Idea of Evil couldn't manipulate Guts because he exists outside of Fate and Griffith is obsessed with him
Problem?

>>288712137
In the same way that the Eclipse forced Griffith to accept his life, and the Dreamscape forced Casca to accept the Eclipse, this chapter is about Guts confronting his trauma and life.

Next couple of chapters are going to be interesting at least

>>288712137
It doesn't power him up at all, but it forces him to accept who he is. He just needs to accept that Griffith in the Golden Age and Griffith post Golden Age are different people and he can make contact, I'd assume. In the same way that Rickert was able to make contact.

I like the interpretation that Guts is the only person in the story that Griffith can't manipulate and has free will

>>288712019
You realize you basically just summarized all the ways in Guts kept messing up "The Plan" by luring Griffith off the path. Fate had to keep finding ways to put him back on the path after Guts kept pulling him off it. You just played yourself.

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There are fags out there literally getting mad over FANFICTION
Fucking lmao

>>288712019
If Guts weren't there Griffith would have ended up in the same state due to the King of Midland being possessive of his daughter. Nothing would have changed.

>>288712019
Yes, basically, Guts existing is what could have prevented Griffith from joining the Godhand.
The Idea of Evil essentially had to flips Griffiths brotherly love for Guts into hatred for him to become motivated to become the Femto.

>>288709181
Moira's dead jose. Guts wouldn't approve of you clinging to false hope that Berserk can somehow still have closure.

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>>288712936
It's less about free will and more about overall agency. Guts isn't alone in a world of NPCs, it's just that proximity to those that fate designates does not inherently mean a certain outcome for Guts. If Guts were a normally fated person then he wouldn't have been able to defy Griffith and leave the band, wouldn't have created the ripple effects that led to Griffith trying to rebound his ego by fucking the princess and get tortured. Like another anon said it would have went down differently like Griffith managing to seize power with a cooler head, then taking charge of Midland only to get fucked over by the Kushans and then despair.
Fate simply had to account for Guts and not the other way around which the Godhand finds amusing and Skull Knight sees as an asset to groom and exploit to create Skull Knight 2.

>>288702407
He wasnt chosen. Thats literally what the chapter says. He made himself Griffith's equal out of fucking willpower

>>288713175
I still think that Griffith would have been fucked over by the King of Midland in some way, but he blew his load early. He still would have been in a bad place within that year, especially given the King had Wyald etc on hand.

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>>288702407

I like it. It shows that Guts isn't a character in Griffith's story by design, but he still has to be accounted for.

What's that Skull Knight or Flora line about how Griffith is an author writing a story and only someone outside of the story can affect his plans? That's Guts.

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>>288706165
He isn't the only one. He is the only one who did it as a struggler, make it an earned thing and not a hand out by fate. SK is out, Shiva, Casca once escaping the eclipse, moonboy, after getting Griffith inside him (lmao), Griffith himself after being reborn a second time and so on. You can directly compare him to SK and the difference being SK became a monster while Guts remained human and only used his autism to get stronger thru the interstice (autism = powers in fantasia)

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>>288712862
>Explain in detail how Guts was playing a role all this time
>Heh, The Idea of Evil couldn't manipulate Guts
You won the internet, sir :)
>>288712974
>You realize you basically just summarized all the ways in Guts kept messing up "The Plan" by luring Griffith off the path
How was messing up the plan, if he played a key role in creating ideal conditions for Griffith to sacrifice his comrades?
>Guts kept pulling him off it
Such as? Helping him to follow his dream which God Hand used to make him sacrifice his band?
>>288712019
>If Guts weren't there Griffith would have ended up in the same state
He woudn't. Read my post again
>>288713103
>The Idea of Evil essentially had to flips Griffiths brotherly love for Guts into hatred
Yeah, the Idea of Evil had to improvise because of muh chosen hero Guts. It's not like turning love into jealousy and hatred, giving Griffith everything and rugpulling him overnight wasn't the perfect plan all along, which broke Griffith so hard he was willing to sacrifice his friends.
Guts was only hindering it's plans. Thefore the idea of evil/god hand had to save Guts ass during the battle of Doldrey. Wait, WHAT?
Moricucks, did you even read the manga? Like seriously?

>>288713005
>If Guts weren't there Griffith would have ended up in the same state
He wouldn't. Read my post again

>>288712137
Mind can bend reality to an extend in Berserk's world. If Guts believes he can hurt Griffith, he will be able to as long as he has stuff that allows it (DS)

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>>288713103
>GUTS WASN'T THE PART OF THE PLAN ALL ALONG
>NOOOOOO HE WAS SPECIAL HE EXISTED OUTSIDE OF FATE
Meanwhile in the manga:

>>288702407
never underestimate american occupation after ww2
manga is just the japanese comic, don't get it twisted

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>>288713580

Just leave him be. Its the indian MHAfag

>>288713005
>>288713175

The mommet Guts leaves everythig goes to shit. I think he delayed but was still somewhat accounted for by the IoE. Not bound or controlled by, just accounted for. Like a NPC you cant control but you can still make plays around. Its obvious IoE tried to get him removed multiple times but was fine with failling as long as it put Guts and Griffith closer to the roles of SK and Big Brain

>>288713504
That page literally proves Griffith is the chosen one and Guts (or anyone really) can just fuck off before Griffith's sacrifice per Zodd and SK's own words.

>>288713673
Cute

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>>288713766
>Just leave him be. Its the indian MHAfag
You are far much closer than me intellectually and spiritually to both indians and MHAfags, moricuck
>The mommet Guts leaves everythig goes to shit
Like the AMBITION COLLAPSES? >>288713504 And all becasue of Guts
>Not bound or controlled by, just accounted for
Just doing perfectly what was needed
>Like a NPC you cant control but you can still make plays around
I see you are a true games, sir
>Its obvious IoE tried to get him removed multiple times
Like during the battle of Doldrey, right? >>288713405
Or not telling Zodd to kill him here, where he could easily do it >>288713504

>>288713815
>Guts (or anyone really)
Is anyone aside from Guts can also be said to be a TRUE FRIEND (in big letters)?
Reading comprehension level: moricuck

>>288713917
Cute butt

>>288713405
>How was messing up the plan
Because they had to pivot?

>>288713422
Okay so the 216 year cycle would have just ended?

>>288713498
It's got something to do with how you perceive Griffith, Rickert being able to hit him after recognising that it isn't the same Griffith is the biggest clue to this. Guts still sees BotH Griffith

>>288713373
>Griffith himself after being reborn a second time and so on
Does he really have free will if his humanity was stripped and he's more or less forced to fulfil a purpose though?

>>288713504
>Shows a page right after Griffith was just wounded, his Behelit fell out, and there's only one guy in the room that can secure his life
Yeah he totally could have killed Guts there and suffer no repercussions

>>288713673
We're never getting proper comic relief in Berserk again are we

>>288712849
Does he really need to? Look at the setup
>Kushan have just given their army to Silat to fight Falconia, including magic users
>Kushan has just captured a boat load of magic users
>Schrieke summoning even one of the 4 Kings was enough to wipeout Qlipoth
If the entire force all summon the 4 Kings on Falconia or Pandemonium then they will wipe it out no problem

>>288714163
>Because they had to pivot?
How exactly where they pivoting? Their plan was perfect and proceeded as smooth as butter
>Okay so the 216 year cycle would have just ended?
Why would it end? Their had a plan for god knows how many years, it was executed perfectly due to Guts and everyone else. Guts not being in their plans, would mean they would have to develop a different plan. But the fact is their plan included Guts as a key figure
>>288714326
>Yeah he totally could have killed Guts there and suffer no repercussions
But he didn't. I wonder why. Maybe it was, I dunno, fate?

>>288714484
>But he didn't
The same reason he killed Wyald. It would have resulted in Griffith's potential death. Are you dumb?

>>288714484
Okay and why was Griffith there in the first place, putting him in harms way? Someone unplanned mayhaps?

>>288713277

That's Hella based ngl

>>288708409
It's not that kind of manga. Even the power ups he has gotten since Golden Age have all been somewhat detrimental, besides Dragonslayer.
>Cannon arm as a result of losing it in the Eclipse
>Berserker armour has wrecked his body already and he's only had it for like 4 months
At best, he's getting a mentality shift to offer purpose.

>>288714738
>Are you dumb?
Are YOU dumb? Yeah, he didn't kill Guts because he was fated to help Griffith in his path to become Femto. How does this disprove my point?

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>>288702407
Look at the bright side, once this shit is done (which won't be anytime soon) MAYBE Berserk is going to get a full anime adaptation?

>>288715048
>How does this disprove my point?
Because you have a fatal misunderstanding of what the Idea of Evil is and the relationship it has with the Apostles.
What you're assuming
>The IoE can DM Zodd and tell him to peace out
When it's more like
>That guy has the Crimson Behelit, I'd better stay the fuck out of this

As for Doldrey, it's the same shit. Guts winning secured Griffith's safety. It's as simple as that. I don't get why you're so angry about this. IQ issue?

>>288714924
>Okay and why was Griffith there in the first place, putting him in harms way? Someone unplanned mayhaps?
Right, it's not like Griffith's fate aside from that battle included the risk of death?

>>288714425
We still need Guts to deal with Griffith personally

>>288715138
Can you address the point?

>>288715182
I don't think he'll engage in battle with Griffith again personally, there's too many moving parts. I think Silat is going to be the MVP in the battle but Guts himself is probably going to be the one to damage the Spiral Tree enough to separate the Astral and Human world

>>288715138
When is Griffith ever up against the odds like that? Certainly not in Golden Age. That's the first time he's facing an Apostle. He's a Commander, not a front line soldier.

>>288713405
Wow that page is crazy. Where is Griffith when all this is going down?

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>>288702407
I remember back during the Naruto finale, I criticized the series for Naruto's obsession with Sasuke basically being rewarded by the reveal that they're spiritually intertwined and fated to be best friends and rivals. As a comparison of some series with the same type of plot that do it much better, I used Berserk and FFVII. In Berserk, Guts stops chasing Griffith and goes off on his own journey to save Casca; in FFVII, Cloud realizes he was never the chosen one and he was nothing to Sephiroth, but he pulls himself out of despair and chooses to be the hero the world needs.

Now, I am mortified to admit I was wrong. They retconned Cloud into being the chosen one, because in FFVII Remake, the plot of FFVII has already happened, meaning him becoming a hero has been foretold and he's just going along with predetermined fate. And now in Berserk, Guts and Griffith have been glued together and Guts can't run away anymore from his duty to fulfill THE PLOT.

So again, I'm sorry. I apologize to all Naruto fans and to Kishimoto himself: you are below no one.

>>288714298
>more or less forced to fulfil a purpose
I dont think he really is forced. I think using the behelit is a double edged sword for the idea of evil and thats why you are chosen to get one. Once you use it, you are out of fate, so the Idea chooses people it thinks will follow its plans. We've seen appostles just noping on God Hand suggestions

>>288715270
The only parts that matter are Guts and Griffith. That's what the whole story is about

>>288715356
>They retconned Cloud into being the chosen one, because in FFVII Remake, the plot of FFVII has already happened, meaning him becoming a hero has been foretold and he's just going along with predetermined fate.
But that's not what happens in the game.

>>288715368
Oh they'll have some kind of stand off and converse, I just don't think Berserk ends with a 1v1.

>>288712986
>getting any kind of emotion over people feeling something
It's kinda gay anon

>>288715120
>More like you have a fatal misunderstanding of what is being discussed here
More like you do. Some of you state that IoE was trying to kill Guts and even not once. While they easily could do it through Zodd's hands
>That guy has the Crimson Behelit, I'd better stay the fuck out of this
And that guy who just fought me? Looks like a TRUE FRIEND of his
>Guts winning secured Griffith's safety
Oh, really. So Guts WAS needed in their plans. Wow, that's a progress. But just that one time? Maybe you'll try to reread the whole reply chain before replying and making me repeat the same arguments over and over? >>288712019

>>288715366
>We've seen appostles just noping on God Hand suggestions
Well kind of. The IoE and Godhand are fueled by humanity looking for a reason bad things happen, so Apostles out there wrecking shit is essentially building it up stronger. I suppose the same can be said of their 1000 year war on religion, with the Holy See gaslighting folk in to believing a higher power wants them to be awful people.

>>288715383
That is literally what's happening in the game, yes. Sephiroth and Aerith from the future are sending messages back to everyone to manipulate them into changing the story. Meaning Cloud has "already killed Sephiroth". It's no different than a prophecy story now. Cloud has been prophesized to kill Sephiroth. And for the most part, they have been following the original plot. They will change some stuff at the end so the finale is different, but Cloud is still going to defeat Sephiroth. It's his duty as the chosen one.

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>>288715299
>Certainly not in Golden Age
Ok

>>288715410
>>More like you have a fatal misunderstanding of what is being discussed here
>More like you do. Some of you state that IoE was trying to kill Guts and even not once. While they easily could do it through Zodd's hands
Never once said that the IoE tries to kill Guts. Why would it? What's the purpose?
>>That guy has the Crimson Behelit, I'd better stay the fuck out of this
>And that guy who just fought me? Looks like a TRUE FRIEND of his
Once again, re-read the reply because trying to put down an argument by misinterpretation isn't working too well for you.
>>Guts winning secured Griffith's safety
>Oh, really. So Guts WAS needed in their plans. Wow, that's a progress. But just that one time? Maybe you'll try to reread the whole reply chain before replying and making me repeat the same arguments over and over?
At the point where Griffith was literally on the battlefield surrounded by soldiers? Yeah securing Griffith's safety was required. Especially as the Eclipse was happening 1.25 years after this battle.

I'm not even sure what you're trying to argue anymore.

>>288715410
>While they easily could do it through Zodd's hands

NTA but the fuck are you talking about mate? IoE doesnt control people, specially not appostles.
I hope the other anon wont bother with any more of your bs. Go back to jerk off to Urara and Bakugo

>>288715543
>More misinterpretations and misrepresentations
Yeah okay Dalit

>>288715543
Wow that's crazy. I wonder how that situation right before the Eclipse resolved itself?

>>288715543

Yeah this ain't the gotcha you think it is and you've once again just proven Anons point.

How come Guts didnt get his eye healed in the elf island?

>>288715410
>Some of you state that IoE was trying to kill Guts
It literally isn't and I've no idea what you're talking about anymore. The point of Guts being born from death is that he's an unknown entity that isn't directly being nudged like the other humans in Berserk, like how Griffith's entire life was nudged to push him towards being Femto. The Idea of Evil isn't a controlling entity towards the human workd, it exists in the Abyss. It can't just take control or tell Apostles what to do and has never been shown to do this. The Apostles act of their own volition (do what thou will) but feel compelled to follow the Godhand, seen when they manifest in the real world with Fantasia. Even the Godhand themselves can only nudge things in the intended direction.

>>288715707
I don't think they have the ability to, like in terms of healing magic I don't think we've seen a body part be replaced. The eye was gouged.

>>288715707
Fuck his eye.

Why didn't a single person there, with all their jaunts in the Astral World, see the gaping gash on Guts chest and try to heal that? Dudes Astral Form is absolutely cooked.

>>288702407
>chosen one

Does he?
From how it is framed, guts is not a chosen one at all.
He just “lucked” (many dots in it) into having the potential to express his own will beyond the limitations of fate and destiny.
And all of that required him to survive against everything, working hard and impose his will to live and strive against anyone else (every other loser with the same potential but lack of strength and conviction would’ve died even before the eclipse).
All guts got in the end is the “key” to be stronger, but without hard work and survival he would’ve never succeded in it.
Basically a chad that worked hard alongside good genes, but other than that he is still the guy with the shittiest childhood ever that killed tons of people and monsters

>>288715825
Also I though for sure Guts time in the Stupa was going to heal that wound. Guess there's still time. Between the Berserker armour and the Astral wound I think this is why the Beast of Darkness has been so uppity lately. Both his physical and astral bodies are on the verge of collapse.

>>288715478
>Meaning Cloud has "already killed Sephiroth"
That's literally the story in the original.

You're misunderstanding Remake/Rebirth. It's a game opening up multiple timelines, Cloud isn't the chosen one - he's playing the same role across multiple timelines. The MVP in FFVIII continues to be Aerith and Cloud is just some guy with a schizoaffective disorder

>>288715882
do you know who else that that explanation can apply to? EVERY OTHER DIME-A-DOZEN SHONEN CHOSEN ONE PROTAG EVER

>>288716196
You seem upset

>>288715882
Who had a harder life? Gatsu or Soridu Snaku

>>288716223
who wouldn't be after every single seemingly awesome animanga protag and story turns out to be chosen one dogshit because apparently it's a biological necessity for the Japanese to ruin whatever story they write whenever it comes anywhere close to it's conclusion

>>288715549
>Never once said that the IoE tries to kill Guts
Read the reply chain. I'm not arguing just with you alone. Most of you said Guts was only hindering IoE's plans, he was not supposed to exist. So he should have been killed according to that logic like this anon says here
>>288713766
>Its obvious IoE tried to get him removed multiple times
Maybe it's even you, Idk
>Once again, re-read the reply because trying to put down an argument by misinterpretation isn't working too well for you.
You first
>Yeah securing Griffith's safety was required
You know what else is required? Everyhting Guts did >>288712019
>I'm not even sure what you're trying to argue anymore.
I'm at fault you all keep contradicting yourself trying to argue my points
>>288715555
>IoE doesnt control people
You are the biggest gorilla retard so far today
>>288715582
>no argument
Yeah, okay Ranjeesh
>>288715603
>I wonder how that situation right before the Eclipse resolved itself?
>>288715640
>Yeah this ain't the gotcha you think it is and you've once again just proven Anons point.
What's even your point? I don't know anymore. Just overwhelming me with meaningless shitposts with your discord squad I guess
>>288715762
>It literally isn't
Yes, that's what I was trying to prove, retard
>that isn't directly being nudged like the other humans in Berserk
And how did you define that?
>The Idea of Evil isn't a controlling entity towards the human workd
It controlls every man's fate as it was stated in plain text. Now kys
>tell Apostles what to do
It did several times with Zodd
>Even the Godhand themselves can only nudge things in the intended direction.
Doesn't that make everyone freem from fate like Guts?

>>288702407

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rbUZcDlKgA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3VfHG9hE90
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5Vj7-YuZh8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdvtk78NbvQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTO7Slj-M5M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rU8oXmgpCDs

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>>288716196
The thing is..he still is not a chosen one.
The whole world want to get rid of him , EVERTHING(literally) that is not his close circle of allies wants him dead .
He just got good potential and that’s it, that never made his suffering less worse, he was gifted not super duper fate or born to reach greatness.
He is just a random guy that was supposed to be dead, and bruteforced his will to survive against fate itself.
That manly as fuck instead of a cheap “i was le chosen incarnation of god”

>>288715944
>he's playing the same role across multiple timelines
Right, because fate. He's the chosen one.

>>288716196
Except those are handed advantages, Guts took his advantage by force
>>288716723
>He just got good potential
Not even that is the right wording. He just is too retarded and autistic to die. Literally.

>>288702407
Media illiteracy is strong in this one retard

>>288716247
I don't think Snake got raped or had his girlfriend raped in front of him

jesus fucking christ charlotte is so fucking hot i need more inspo for her. mustve came fucking buckets during deluxe vol 3.

The problem is people here treating this awful Continuation as the same thing as Berserk done by Miura.

It's trash.

where at any point are the words "chosen one" said in this chapter? go back to your dead forum

>>288718142
We're getting more chapters in two and four weeks, more seething on the horizon for you!

>>288716723
>he still is not a chosen one
>He just got good potential and that’s it,
One in a billion chance to be born like him with the astral spoon up his ass, but at least he's not le chosen one. This makes it so much different
>EVERTHING(literally) that is not his close circle of allies wants him dead
Well, bacause he was branded, duh. Otherwise he's mostly finding trouble himself
>That manly as fuck instead of a cheap “i was le chosen incarnation of god”
Instead we have "I was le born just like a god, I'm the only one who can harm him"

>>288715056
She cute

why are modern anime fans (fuck even video game fans are being like this) such whiny losers?

>>288702407
my theory is that it teach the kids that only special people (aka not them) can change the system, and if Naruto changes the world for his ideals, you, the reader, will not and have to finish school, get a job and potentially reproduce.

>>288702407
Because the average joe can't do shit. You have to be exceptional to have a significant impact on the world.

>>288703195
>However, I'm sure this will allow Guts to fight Griffith on equal footing now somehow.
Every time SK attacks a Godhand member, he always goes for a surprise attack and flees if it fails. This may suggest that the Godhand members are glass cannons, and the way to counter them is to catch them by surprise and one shot them before they can use their powers. So it makes sense that Guts would try a similar approach, since he too often uses his cunning to take down enemies that could beat him in a contest of raw strength.

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The 6'8 gigachad was literally me until this chapter waaah

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>>288720512
>well yes, I like generic sloppa
>I hope he goes gear 5 when he fights griffith fr

>>288719111
In Japan the salary man is the slave cast. That's more important than children.

>>288716764
Yeah so every character in the FFVII universe is a chosen one yeah?

>>288702407
>Miura always had a plan for this chapter but struggled to really put it on paper because he REALLY had a hard time conveying how Guts is different without making him special. We just hope we did our best to honour his wishes and did the plot point justice.

This was from Mori himself. So why are we now acting like this wasn't from Miura? The only thing you could argue is the execution was bad which is true, the art is still meh but regarding the story that's pretty much all on Miura.

Regardless I don't really see how this changes anything. You could argue this is how Guts could fight against causality but that theme was already abundantly clear from how Guts and Griffith are characterized. You could argue now he can hurt Femto? But pretty sure the Dragonslayer already could if he didn't bend reality due to killing so many demons and ghosts so what the fuck is the point of this?

>>288718142
Berserk was already a mess since Griffin resurrection, Guts being the chosen one is simple the logical endpoint of all those issues. Like, it doesn’t take a genius to see that handing out +2 flaming daggers or the Dragonslayer going from a gag gift to being made out of magic dwarven ore is dumb.

>>288714484
>How exactly where they pivoting? Their plan was perfect and proceeded as smooth as butter
It didn't until Guts chose to leave. With Guts Griffith actually had a realistic chance to become King without sacrifices. Sure, he would have gotten to the King with or without Guts eventually but he had such an incredible asset in him that given some time his reputation and cunning would have forced the King to concede his daughter eventually. Without Guts he would have had a lot less prestige and means so becoming King would have still been impossible without a sacrfice. Not to mention that Guts was the only one close enough to Griffith that Griffith endangered himself to save him.

>>288720636
No because it's Cloud who defeats Sephiroth.

>fanfiction

>>288721137
Cloud kills Sephiroth out of dumb luck. Everyone else has the exact same role in the original as well. In what way is Cloud a chosen one in Remake?

>>288721069
More logical for retards, for sure.

>>288703277
Guts is something like Lord Macduff, born from a corpse so causality/fate doesn't flow for him as it does for everyone else also being able to feel creatures from the interstice ever since he was young.

So Gattsu was born from the Idea of Good, trapped since birth between the astral plain and reality like some kind of Peter Pan? Now the sea god arc and all those pirates and the island of the elves makes a lot of sense.

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>>288720546
gear 5 is piss because oda clearly only starts dropping hints of luffy being some god-like being with a god fruit late in the story
we've known that guts was born from a dead mother for 30 years. he's always been referred to as a man who walks between the line of life and death and that he struggles against fate like no man ever has

>>288721159
Cloud hunts down Sephiroth because he thinks it's his responsibility since they're old war buddies. Sephiroth shows him the truth, that he's a nobody who failed to get into SOLDIER and is just LARPing as Zack. This mindbreaks him into catatonia, but he eventually recovers and joins the party to hunt down Sephiroth again. The whole party seemingly defeats Sephiroth, but at the last moment Sephiroth pulls Cloud into the lifestream and they have a duel, which Cloud wins and he puts Sephiroth down for good. Except not really because AC happens. Aerith had to use the lifestream to stop the meteor, which gave everyone Sephiroth AIDS so Cloud had to finish him off again and Aerith rained penicillin on Midgar to make up for her fuckup.

The story of Remake is that Sephiroth and Aerith know all that shit is going to happen and are trying to alter fate by fighting off the plot ghosts and giving people glimpses of the future.

This means that for Remake Cloud, he is the guy fated to kill Sephiroth. Sephiroth knows it, he has the vision of the future. That's why he's so obsessed with him. While the OG FFVII subverts Cloud being the Chosen One by making him a nobody with zero relationship to Sephiroth and a continuous failure in the eyes of Shinra, Remake turns Cloud into the prophesized Sephiroth slayer. He IS the hero, so says FATE. FFVII did something cool that Japanese stories never do and now Remake is saying "lol jk welcome to Naruto!"

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>>288721086
I don't get how discussing possible scenarious is related to the fact that everything that happened was preplanned.
>It didn't until Guts chose to leave.
Getting Griffith to the highest highs (with Guts help) and then taking everything from him (again with Guts help) was always a plan. It wasn't pivoting. Even Zodd knew about this as a prohecy
>Griffith endangered himself to save him
Griffith constantly endangered himself for fame. He's not some coward hinding behind other's back

>>288721461
There is a fundamental difference, both thematically and in execution, between “You are untethered by fate, free to strike your own destiny” and “YOU ARE THE HERO OF PROPHECY, GUTS”, and that difference should not need to be pointed out.

>>288721458
>Gattsu, a lost child trapped between real and immaterial, good and evil, fate and will, only moving forward
Miura you genious asshole.

>>288715478
What if this is just your average story with time travel tropes like Steins;gate...wouldnt this be Chosen One Derangement Syndrome

>>288702407
I don't get it, how is this new? Why are you making a big deal out of this?
It's not the first fucking time this has been stated.

>>288721661
Niggas just want an excuse to raise they heartrate you know what I’m saying?

>>288721458
>Idea of Good
No such thing.

>>288721654
That doesn't change anything.

>>288721554
>The whole party seemingly defeats Sephiroth, but at the last moment Sephiroth pulls Cloud into the lifestream
You realise that was in his head right?

>>288721661
Skull Knight forums have got something to complain about, I suppose. They do it all the time.

>>288721619
NTA but I agree. Thematically it was already shown but not stated that Guts was someone who defied fate and Griffith was a slave to it and reaped all of it's benefits.

Because Guts was a nobody he was free to shape his own destiny as he wasn't as strictly shaped by causality. You could easily interpret from guts being pulled from his mothers corpse he was always meant to die and only through sheer circumstance survived. I get the idea of the interstice thing from that, because it's a very precarious line between line and death but it didn't need to be stated as such.

Would've made more sense to have the Idea of Evil appear and state Guts should've died that day, but through circumstances outside of causality he managed to survive. Which makes him untethered by it. That would at least feel more believable even if it results in the same end.

>>288721604
>Getting Griffith to the highest highs (with Guts help) and then taking everything from him (again with Guts help) was always a plan.
Maybe. But we do know that Guts is not necessarily bound by fate and can distort it with his actions. So it isn't unreasonable to assume (we don't know anything of certainty) that Guts came out of left field, distorted fate in that he allowed Griffith to soar much higher and much faster than he would have done without him and gave Griffith a realistic chance of achieving his goal without a sacrifice. We don't know if Guts chose to leave out of free will or if it was fate.
Griffith endangering himself for Guts is relevant because in that moment he valued Guts life as integral to him. We've already seen the count declining to sacrifice his daughter out of love so it isn't unreasonable to assume that fate isn't set in stone.

>>288721754
>Would've made more sense to have the Idea of Evil appear
I think the point about the IoE is that it doesn't care about the small details. It wouldn't have been good thematically to show itself to Guts imo but I do think this conversation should have been with either Skull Knight or Slan (trying to tempt Guts in to triggering the Behelit again) and instead he drew the conclusion himself. I'm not saying Flora appearing was lazy or whatever but I suppose she's the only person the party have met in the physical world that seems to have a concrete understanding of Causality and what it means for Guts

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>>288721461
>he's always been referred to as a man who walks between the line of life and death
This picture you've posted doesn't say it. It says he's predetermined to survive life or death scenarios. The rest is your speculations and headcanon
By Skull Knight's own words he started walking the interstice only after getting branded. And this is stated clearly several times

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>>288721873
Yeah, the execution is really bad and really makes it feel like a 'chosen one' sort of thing. It felt really rushed for something that is very very important for Guts as a character.

I feel most of that is attributed to not being Miura but the idea could work. But it's not executed well at all. It feels very expository and blunt that it kills any sense of interpretation that could feel like Berserk. Treating people this much like idiots is really stupid.

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>>288721827
>But we do know that Guts is not necessarily bound by fate
Only in the same extent as everyone else
>that fate isn't set in stone
Yes. This is the integral part of the story. But choise is not exclusive for Guts or any character born special

Guts only lives in the Interstice after the Eclipse happens.
Miura stated that once Guts started living in the Interstice, he is no longer completely bound by Causality.
He is not 100% untied to it either, but he can at least influence some events at a smaller scale, especially at Temporal Juction Points (as they are called by Skully).

Mori misunderstood or retconned that in the latest episode.

>>288721880
the brand puts him there irreversibly. but it's clearly written into the story that guts already had an existing affinity towards interacting with beings that reside the interstice, especially in the story about chich.
he'd just never witnessed anything by that point which would've made him understand that side of the world to a deeper extent.

>>288720702
The point is to give Guts a dumb powerup so then the writers can have an easier time handling the story.
Dumb decision but it is what it is.

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>>288722436
>had an existing affinity towards interacting with beings that reside the interstice, especially in the story about chich
We've had this discussion dozens of times already and there's nothing special about seing elves. You don't have to reside in the interstice to see them. In fact most of the ordinary people in the story could see elves

>>288722513
>The point is to give Guts a dumb powerup so then the writers can have an easier time handling the story.

What powerup? Being able to exist in the interstice doesn't actually do anything other than make it so Griffith can tangibly be hurt which was already shown with the brand and the Dragonslayer.

He'd still get his shit rocked by Femto, and Femto can easily warp space time so I really don't see how this helps anything.

>>288722436
> story about Chitch

Humans always saw elves and similar astral beings.
Remember, Judeau worked with Puck in a traveling circus/troupe.

>>288721461
Oh so we're going to take everything literally now, do we? So I guess Puck making anime references means those shows are real in Berserk, right?
>B-B-BUT THOSE WERE A JOKE BR-
Nah, we're taking everything literal now mate. So I expect at least the maginzer when Super Saiyan Raizen empowered god cloth Guts fights Super Perfect Griffith.

>>288721704
If there is an Idea of Evil an Idea of Good has to exist by default.

>>288722565
I mean they gonna use that to give Guts a powerup.
Perhaps make him "remember" some kind of hidden power or some shit like that.

The Continuation is pretty bad so I don't doubt that they gonna use dumb solutions for making the chapters.

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>>288722436
>the brand puts him there irreversibly
No it puts him there for the first time

>>288722592
Why it has to exist and why it has to be a different entity?

>>288722560
is chich even considered a elve or is she a flower spirit she herself said that guts was the first human to see her for her to state that must mean she herself has seen a lot of humans to even make that claim

>>288722635
Evil exist because there is good somewhere
If there is light is because there is also dark
It's basic logic assumtion you ESL anon

>>288722604
obviously not if he interacted with fairies prior to this
you seem to be under the mistaken belief that the interstice is some sort of world that you can either access or you don't.
humans can interact with it to different degrees (some see magical beings, others don't), guts just has more affinity with it than the average due to the exceptional circumstances of his birth.
it just appears that there's a fundamental misunderstanding of what the interstice is

>>288722657
in any case she was a magical being who interacts with guts through the interstice. which shows guts already had an affinity towards seeing magical beings from the astral world despite not being brought up to believe in them.
what the brand does is basically make guts interact with the entirety of it to the point where he can no longer avoid interacting with it through "disbelief" as most humans do.

>>288722657
>is chich even considered a elve or is she a flower spirit
That's the same shit. Puck is a wind spirit
>guts was the first human to see her
Because she lives in a dungeon is small and can easily hide herself even from the ones who could see her
>she herself has seen a lot of humans to even make that claim
Where did you get "a lot" from?

The meltdown you retarded autists have over the latest chapter is both funny and predictable.
Having Gut's "special power" just be "your destiny isn't set in stone like for everyone else because of the circumstances of your birth" isn't something that changes his character or suddenly puts him on an even playing field with the God Hand. It's been an element of the story for literally fucking decades. You retards either actually can't read or are just jumping to the stupidest conclusions and making up shit that hasn't even happened. At most this is a gateway that sets him on a path to become more powerful, and if you're angry that this is even a possibility I don't even know where to begin with you morons so I won't even try.

>>288722706
>you seem to be under the mistaken belief that the interstice is some sort of world that you can either access or you don't.
It's a plane of existence. And elves reside on the even shallower plane as is proven by countless ordinary people throughout the manga who could see them
>has more affinity with it than the average
There's no proof of that
>it just appears that there's a fundamental misunderstanding of what the interstice is
I understand it pretty clearly. It's you who might have one since you bring up Chich as a proof of your point

>>288722831
>It's been an element of the story for literally fucking decades
Yes. And it was retconed. Read the thread or better read the manga, but not as fast as before
>isn't something that changes his character or suddenly puts him on an even playing field with the God Hand
That makes the retcon even more meaningless. But I assume the next chapters are going to "redefine" what the interstice is

>>288722886
nothing says that there's a "shallower" plane than the interstice, that's just your headcanon. it's just that some humans can interact with it a little better than others. leading them to see fairies while others don't, and through practise, they can even interact with the interstice fully like mages do.
we've already seen through farnese's pov how a person can go from having zero affinity for interacting with the interstice to reaching the point where she's becoming aligned with it (yet not a master).

>>288723017
>nothing says that there's a "shallower" plane than the interstice
There is. It's called corporeal world
>it's just that some humans can interact with it a little better than others
>we've already seen through farnese's pov how a person can go from having zero affinity for interacting with the interstice to reaching the point where she's becoming aligned with it
Now that's your headcanon. The mechanism is explained here >>288722560 There's no "affinity" to seing elves it's purely a question of a person's open mindness

>>288722799
no its not the same shit at all puck is considered an actual elf Chitch is considered a flower spirit lets say had humans that could see her and she hid herself from them why only show herself to guts and actually kept him alive and saved him from dying that ended up costing her life and depends on how long the dungeon itself has been there for its a possibility she has seen a lot of humans pass there

>>288722571
and so did rickert and the entire group puck traveled with before bandits killed them all, and those bandits, and a bunch of other people in the black swordsman arc.. Its so weird seeing people act like guts was the only one who could see elves.

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>>288702407
Everybody is blackpilled nowadays

>>288723293
>puck is considered an actual elf
Holy fuck. He's just from a different race of the same species. Racist much?

>>288723293
read the manga. elves like puck are specifically wind spirits.

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>>288723160
>corporeal world
the interstice is meant to be that shallow layer of the astral world through which magical beings can, at times, interact with the physical. and within the interstice there are layers which are more shallow than others, leading to people being able to interact with certain parts but not others (which again is part of why i find it best to call it an "affinity" as the degree of how much you can interact with the interstice varies from person to person).
>a person's open mindness
whether a person is more open or perceptive or not to magical beings existing is an affinity.
guts, obviously, because of the abnormal circumstances of his birth, would be much less close-minded than the average to the idea that supernatural things can occur.

>>288723293
>why only show herself to guts and actually kept him alive and saved him from dying
Because he saved her flower from a rat by eating it. That's why

>>288715356
Naruto and sasuke being children of fate isnt that bad considering their decision was to not follow what they were destined to do, and Naruto’s obsession with sasuke was more of a refusal to accept the type of behaviour that was thrown at him when he was younger, Hashirama and Madara were more war buddies, Sasuke and Naruto fought because of genuine squabbling rather than war/squabbling.

>>288718138
bump you gay fucks

>>288723526
>obviously, because of the abnormal circumstances of his birth, would be much less close-minded
That's not obviously. That's a pure headcanon. Birth circumstances don't affect the mindset. Guts was not special to see elves that's it

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>>288723738
not sure why you're so combative against the obvious story that's being told

>>288723829
Back to you. I've already explained how him being the firts who saw Chich is nothing extraordinary >>288722799

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>>288702407
so what's the deal with this first part of 3 chapters, when is the next chapter?

>>288723966
in 2 weeks i believe

>>288723913
just take a step back and think of how dense you're being right now.
why do you think miura would add a story of guts interacting with a magical being pre-eclipse, no brand, where it's distinctly pointed out that guts is the only one who can see her.
you think he just did that at random? you don't think that, maybe, just maybe, he was trying to set up the future story he wanted to tell where guts always had a greater affinity towards interacting with spirits than the average man?
this is not rocket science. it's very obvious why he did this. you're just acting obtuse because you don't agree with the direction.

>>288723984
thank you its clear this was the direction he was going in with all the pieces he left now if he was here he would have built up to way better but its clear this chapter was made with some sort of notes of his

>>288722028
I disagree that it makes it seem like a "chosen one" the entire setting heavily rely on causality and fate, the moment guts can defy it at any moment gives him a "chosen one" feeling, it has always been there people just ignores it.

>>288723984
>why do you think miura would add a story of guts interacting with a magical being pre-eclipse
1. This is not a short story about Chich, it's a story about trust and mutual help which provides more depth to Guts as a character that happened to include a fairy. It's also a nice break of pace
2. Magic existed the entire history and Guts is not the first human to ever interact with it

>>288723984
might make sense if tons of other characters didnt interact with puck before guts was even around

is Chitch a elf or not she doesn't really share any resemblance of one

>>288724153
that's puck, and a lot of that was also before miura even came up with these concepts which obviously developed further as the manga went on.
if guts is the only one to ever find chitch, then it's possible she is "further in the ocean" than puck is. not all beings in the interstice are as "discoverable" as others.

>>288724228
>it's possible she is "further in the ocean" than puck is
That's just your wishful thinking. Nothing suggests that. If anything I can specualte too that Chich is not any "further in the ocean" than Puck because she's bound to a real life object. But this is all pointless speculation and you're doing it after being proved wrong

>>288705608
it's fine by me tbdesu, griffith doesnt deserve a bad end

>>288721713
But then it's not about being fated to destroy the Big Bad...it just happened that you destroyed the Big Bad. Just like you could stumble on a rock or build a shop and other timelines have different outcomes related to the shop. This changes everything. You didn't destroy the Big Bad because you're fated to do it. You're fated to do it because you destroyed the Big Bad. You woke up one day and thought "I will destroy the Big Bad" and the timeline adjusted to that event. Or it's a matter of, if everything is fated, nothing is.

>>288724193
she is a flower spirit, so a different kind
puck is a wind spirit

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>>288702407
how has berserk been post miura? i stopped reading after he died.

>>288702407
>Reading comprehension what's that

>>288724479
Better not read it, if you care about Berserk

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>>288724591
i don't, lol! claymore is better.

>>288724479
its ok

>jumping fish
>huge ocean
>tiny ripple
>griffith gonna die

>>288723984
The Chitch chapter exists to introduce the concept of a spirit tied to a plant (like Danan) and to hype the golden age movie you dumb fuck

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media literally is the real struggle for OP and others here.

There is no chosen one stuff going on, just another layer of life always having been against guts

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>>288724479
you can catch up in 20 mins lil bro there have been like 3 chapters, it's like mario never left

>>288724407
Yes, but from the perspective of the individual, those are the same exact thing. If you do something, then write a note on your hand saying you do it, then rewind time and erase your memories, you're now telling the exact same type of story as a chosen one or fated one. That message on your hand is a prophecy. We are being told to be excited by the fact that the hero is simply following predetermined fate. That's the precise problem with those storytelling devices. If he already did it, why am I watching? It's over. It's a done deal. Can he beat Sephiroth? Yup. Alright, time to pack up and go home. What message am I getting out of the story? That in order to defeat the evil Jewish mass murderer, I just need to have already done it in another timeline?

Imagine if the story was that in every single other timeline Cloud DIDN'T defeat Sephiroth or if Aerith was sending messages to Cloud in the past because Zack failed to defeat Sephiroth and then her messages caused Zack to die prematurely in this timeline so the messages get passed on to Cloud instead out of desperation - or maybe EVERYONE gets the message about Sephiroth and Cloud is just the only one who actually does something about it. That would be the same exact type of story, with time shenanigans, but notice how Cloud isn't fated to beat Sephiroth in those examples? That's a more compelling story. That's a story about someone who didn't give up in the face of adversity and chose to do the right thing even though every one else failed or cowered.

Instead we get, "Cloud will beat Sephiroth because he did already back in 1997 and he's a good little automaton that does whatever the script says. Just press play and watch the hero win. How? Why? Because the plot jannies say so. Now makes sure you go to bed at 9 PM so you're up in the morning and able to return to your cubicle on time."

>>288715478
>and Aerith from the future are sending messages back to everyone to manipulate them into changing the story
No, it's not.

>>288715356
>In Berserk, Guts stops chasing Griffith and goes off on his own journey to save Casca
Nigger that always go back to dealing with Griffith because Grifitth would never leave him alone to begin with

>>288713580
>>288713673
>>288713917
Based Miura

I hope guts get's tony starks iron man armor in a crossover episode, he loved western media so it fits

>>288702407
I thought the whole point of Guts was that he had no fate. He was a baby that should've died when his pregnant mother was hung, but through dumb luck he survived because of the compassion of a prostitute and her mercenary lover. And that as a result, Gut's whole life is him struggling against fate itself, which seems to guide everyone else in the setting, especially people like Griffith. Hence Gut's title as "struggler".

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I'm still enjoying the manga even if the new chapters aren't up to the same quality

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Why "chosen ones" even drive anons to autistic rage? Christianism is full of chosen ones.

Hell, nobody even CHOOSE Guts.

>>288725341
They're tied together because of Moon Boy more than anything. If there was no Moon Boy, both could've been able to walk away. But ultimately Griffith's vilest act comes back to haunt him.

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>>288725511
Griffith chose Guts but that was 30 years ago already.
People are acting like Casca here

>>288703336
I'll never trust anything a woman tells me and I would recommend everyone to do the same.
Regardless if you are making that story up or not.

>>288708539
This is the reason i got so tired of fags constantly saying that him wielding the dragonslayer is proof of him being special all along, when we always saw him handling big ass swords relative to his size since childhood

Miura could've also thought it was cool to have a big ass sword and that's it

>>288722831
Morons do not understand nuance.

>>288702407

Nooooooooooo! its not what Miura sensei would have done!!

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>the guy with the pointy ears isn't 100% human?!?!?!
wowiezowie what a bamboozle

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>I spent 20 years talking about this chapter with Miura even though I can barely remember some parts
>Youtube fags : you don’t understand Guts has always been unchosen but that doesn’t mean he’s chosen you see here in Falcon of The Millennium Empire Guts is said to be interstice so this not news and like he’s super strong dumbass …
>but yeah he’s just a guy even though Miura never hinted at this ever throughout the entire manga and this totally not a retcon

>>288726146
His adopted parents also have pointy ears. So does Casca have magical powers too pre eclipse because she’s brown?

>>288725182
> I just need to have already done it in another timeline?
That turns into an issue you've with using meta or time travel stories, not with a chosen trope...Yes, it's a meta-referential story. You think this stuff is fun, or not. Could be about fatalism but it's not inherently sending any message. It could be filler and it references the og story to be filler and provide you more content, or because adding super powers was fun, and so on...So again, if you've time travel in the story, yes anything is a prophecy. That's how the super power called Time Travel works, it could be King Crimson powers instead etc.
> Cloud isn't fated to beat Sephiroth in those examples? That's a more compelling story.
This reads like you need it to be an underdog story really badly. 100% of the time. The story has to be explicit that mc is underdog, or it's bad. These are good but this is obsessive. Cloud is fated to be Sephirot because he did in the og, and this is a filler sequel to the og.
But even if fatalism is added to the plot, there are different interpretations. See all the arguments on free will. You exercise the free will by making a choice and the timelines are like that as a result, there's one story like this. Occultists call it the Will. Cloud didn't win just because, he used the Will to make the decision to pursue Sephiroth and managed to beat him. We're no more automatons because physics is solved and predicts how the dominoes fall in Newtonian physics, our choice is in kicking the first domino.

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>>288725630
Casca also has pointy ears, is she also a chosen one?

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>>288726215
Gambino was DARKSIDED
like Zodd

>to be able to fight griffith, guts just needs to get rid of his obsession

Hey Guts remember when Griffith did

This is nika all over again

>4cuck EOPs btfo'd by leddit languageGOD analyzing the source material
many such cases
>inb4 post source
no

>>288726455
It’s actually worst because there’s arguments to be made for Destiny with One Piece however it just ruins Berserk

>>288702407
Well, Miura died so Berserk will forever remain unfinished. Whatever this is it will never amount to more than fan fiction. Obviously we will never know for certain so those still reading will have to take assistant-san word for it but i don´t think this is what Miura had in mind.
I believe he intended Casca to be the one capable of hurting Griffith and Guts to be a one eyed Jack, someone forgotten by death and by extension, free from destiny. Can´t blame assistant-san for playing it safe though. He probably wants to wrap things up already and move on to his own projects. (which he´ll only have a chance at if his ending of the story is satisfactory)

I don’t mind Guts being Skull Knight reborn because it seemed like fate was going against Guts. This make it’s seems like “oh we made you like this like Griffith but you didn’t get a choice” which I don’t like because Guts is supposed to be a guy who defies fate.
>him coming back to life is him fighting back
Yet it’s the same way he’s born in the interstice but just because sheer will power

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>>288726541
BEEP!
WRONG!
This is exactly what Miura had planned, and the reddit autist proved it 100%

>>288726541
I read through the chapters mori made today to catch up and the pacing is disgustingly fast just like they're checking up the story beats.. they're wrapping up in 20 chapters at most

>>288726541
What I don't understand is why couldn't he let his most trusted assistant that was with him from the begining know all the details and instead we all have to go with a story that could have or could have not been during an alcohol fueled dinner discussion between two bros?He could have changed his mind about A LOT of things after that conversation that was like what 15-20 years ago??

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>>288726361
everyone's chosen

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>>288702407
I don’t understand why /a/ minds that the mc is special. I’m not saying that they have to be chosen ones, but ideally the mc should be unique, or at least different from the rest.

>>288713277
>willpower
This. This is the entire fucking point of Guts. He doesn't have powers. He's not Demonic. He's not a fairy. It's just one STRONG, RESILIENT motherFUCKER with a BIG sword. And he's ANGRY.

Trying to give this nigga inner peace and a connection with the ethereal realm is missing the point. This is the same shit with Naruto jumping the shark where all of a sudden its not about clever ninja tactics but who has some inner demon god sealed inside him that can tap in to channel the power. We want to see hard work and dedication trump the chosen one bullshit.

This entire Arc should literally just be either the jeet god or the fairy kikes telling guts the only way to give Casca peace of mind is if he kills Griffith because that undoes the brand of sacrifice. That's it. Then we start the arc where they kill some of those fuckers, with some rape and gore sprinkled here and there. It's not that complicated. We want Guts to rage at griffith and buck break him and his super speshul chosen demon child fuckery. Somehow get help by his aborted astral fetus child.

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>>288726941
if you wanted to just see some blue-collar hero defeat the world with no powers, you probably shouldn't have picked a fantasy manga to read.
guts has a literal magic sword, a magic armor and his will can alter reality.

>>288712019
And that's where Berkfags' world collapses like a tower of shit, no matter if we're talking about Miura or after-Miura period. Simply because "lack of reading comprehension" gets exposed as just a bunch of buzzwords thrown by sissies who can't read this rather simple, even if internally contradictory in some way, story.

>>288713580
Disgusting.

>>288723966
>3 consecutive chapters per year
Bravo, Studio Gaga is really full of Miura's diligent apprentices.

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>>288702407
>WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT!!
>MIURA-SENSEI WOULD HAVE NEVER WAAAAAH
>RIP Kentaru Moira btw.

>>288727670
>When Bejita Sama refuses to kiss my wife

>>288727670
>Guts absorbing the friendship od from his party right before dealing the killing blow to Final Form Griffith

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>>288706260
It's seinen because it's published in a softcore porno rag, which they're not exactly trying to sell to kids.

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>>288726721
They take writing as a very personal work and when they finally put an idea into execution things always change, it's not as simple as making a 1000 page manuscript, all these influential mangaka made a lot of their good stuff on the go. And the worst part is that Mori is taking information from fucking conversations he had like 20 years ago, there is no way we can know what the Miura we knew would have done in the present.

miura intended Donovan to return as a main character

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>>288727739
Heh.
>>288728101
I'm aware of this, but most of Berkfags seem to be oblivious about how does the manga's demographic system work in Japan.

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>>288728046
And he sees all enemies from the past rooting for him as he destroys the God Hand (all five members, with one swing).

>>288702407
>Guts was raped by a big black man as a child
>Guts is cucked by his best friend and the girl who he loves wanted to be "raped" by Griffith
>She gives birth to his best friend's baby
This has to be one of the gayest shit ever. And no, seeing dragons, goblins, trolls, and other monsters makes up for this stupid ass manga.

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>>288728509
Everything went literally downhill after his death. I'm not even joking.

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>>288728358
>Flora: Guts, all your trails so far happened so you could gather strenght for the final battle, especially that time when you were raped, that part in particually will give you the upper hand against Mada...I mean Femto.

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>>288728620
That's why Miura probably thought that muscular Wyald, fantasy monsters, trolls that rape people, or loliwitches, would be enough to hide the yaoi side of this manga.

>>288713580
Bro was so obsessive over lolislop and yet he couldn't make a good looking loli himself. Pathetic; at least he isn't Toriyama levels of patheticness.

>>288728696
>Toriyama
>more pathetic than Miura
Lol. Lmao, even. At least Toriyama could finish this two big hit long-running manga.