>just remade the thread>still won't add MHA Reminder deku is canonically ugly as shit.
>>288731321Disgusting, no wonder he ended up a virgin
>>288731321>someone self inserts as THATUgh
>>288731321It's like hori needs deku to be as terrible as possible
>>288731347He needs to be ugly so bakugo can be the Chad.
>>288731360>chadbull*
>>288731321Is Horikoshi the one who drew the "realistic" versions?
>>288731368Yeah. The coloring is from fans, but he drew THAT.It's how he envisions dekuk
>>288731374Seems about right. He's an average looking Japanese kid compared to two much more conventionally attractive ones. Did he only draw those three?
>>288731385Only those three, but deku is well below average
>>288731385>He's an average looking Japanese kidHe's ugly man.
>>288731307Demon slayer will still bring people to the movie theaters.One punch man has ONE solid anime season. Dr. Stone and JJK are ok for what they were, it says more about how quickly people jump to the next big thing now and how nothing has any actual lasting power.
>>288731395>>288731398The average teenage Japanese boy isn't especially good looking.
>>288731442And deku is below that, yes.Also kinda fat faced.
>>288731307But kny and jjk are the current thing? Both series just had a short run. Gachiakuta and Salamoto should be there.
>remakes his shitty threadFuck off OP, stop watching shounenshit you little faggot retard
>>288731307repost:>>>288698412
>>288731307You just made this thread. Nobody cares about this trash made for submental preteens. Go watch a real anime like Kanokon.
>>288731321>ugly as shit.Reminds me of Ichigo
This thread again? I'll just carry over my last convo here, in that case>>288724516No. What I'm saying is that studios force a minimum play window (3-4 weeks). The 8 months isn't the studio holding a gun to the theater's head, but the initial contract creating sunk costvmomentum. Once a movie is locked in for that first month, it occupies prime real estate that could have been used for a breakout hit. By the time the contract expires, the movie has 'rotted' the screen, making it harder to justify a switch without a massive marketing push for a replacement. It's an opportunity cost failureYou argue that if revenue grew, the audience grew. I'm saying that's a false equivalence cause if you strip away inflation and premium format surcharges (IMAX/4DX/ScreenX), ticket volume often stays stagnant for sequels. Look at the admissions data (which is publicly available for Japanese films) rather than just gross revenue. In Japan, sequels often show that while money went up, ticket sales plateaued. If you sell the same number of tickets at a 20% higher price, you have financial growth but have reached 0 new people. That's the definition of extracting from the existing base rather than expandingI didn't dodge your Top Gun/Avatar question; I already answered it. Both had audience expansion. That is literally how they reached billion dollar totals. They had low 2nd weekend drops cause the general audience (people who didn't care about the originals) heard the WOM and saw them in weeks 3-5. If a movie like Infinity Castle or The Marvels drops 75% in week 2, the general audience never showed up. It means only people who intended to see it on opening night attended. Whether that makes it a success depends on your definition, but if your metric for a massive blockbuster is reaching the public, a 75% drop is objectively a sign that the film failed to break out of its niche
>>288731307That would be barryjeremysybb's life.
>>288731307slide thread
>>288731781You literally post on 4chan: a site full of people who are genuinely mentally ill who are incapable distinguishing fiction with reality and masturbates to cartoon characters. I personally don't care about whatever fictitious feud you have on-going, I'm simply just answering the other guy's questions.
>>288731307Oh! It's this retard again whose definition of 'failed' is>It's not the most relevant thing in all circles in all walks of life and I have to live like this and share this world with all you fucking failures every single day of my fucking miserable life, thank u so much god, thank u so much mom and dad, thank u all who forced me into this existence! DAMNIT ALL!!! Curse this pitiful wretched circumstance! At long last I have learned the most important lesson of not ever having any children so they don't have the chance of ever being born into the same reality as this hellhole we're in! FUCK YOU, EVERY SINGLE FUCKING ONE OF YOU!!!He sounds weird, right?
>>288731537>But kny and jjk are the current thing?Only when their anime are on, which is once every year or so then they're gone because they live and die by their anime. They don't actually have any lasting staying power.
>>288731307What even defines a big thing? I have seen girls in the supermarket dressed with demon slayer haoris. Seems big enough to me
>>288731307Stop spamming>>288698412
>>288731836Kill yourself
>>288731946Exactly how it's defined: a series that's bigger than its niche and transcends outside its anime bubble, becoming a ubiquitous pop culture phenomenon among casuals. Like One Piece or Dragon Ball - series that appeals to people who don't otherwise care for anime. Those that like Demon Slayer are already anime fans.
>>288732266I am happy non Anime Fans don't like Anime. Normies Go home
>>288732266Name few thing recent things
Why did the studio cut the OPM budget more every season? Did they assume the first season sold well so the chumps would buy it no matter what?
>>288732493Because it's not studio that decides budget but production committee which is Bamco in OPM anime case
>>288731321all three are ugly because it's not Hori's style at all
>>288731732Ichigo doesn't look nearly as bad, a bit of a punk but nowhere near as bad as MHA
>>288733009It's how he imagines them as realistic humans.Shoto and bakugo are ok, deku looks overweight
>>288731307>Still recycling the same threadsKnY and JJK wonyou're still seething and eternally BTFO
Alright lets settle this
>>288736262Off to a great start already.
>>288736262Denji lol
>>288736450Jesus christ Asta
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>>288736629Lord have mercy
>>288736629Poor Saitama
>>288736744Based Yuji
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>>288734754all three are ugly>>288736262based
>>288736808All of the Big 3 and Goku are now dead
>>288736958Yuji is pissed
>>288731307Your definition of "big thing" is just flawed and doesn't work in the modern era. JJK, Demon Slayer, and Chainsaw Man are still very much alive, still printing money, and still feeding whomever they may concern
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>>288737035Tanjiro don't!
>>288731307Michael Jackson's Demon Slayer was the bestselling anime movie in recent decades, worldwide. Conan the Detective is still the best anime movie sales in nippon thoughbert IIRC. not including Transformers liveactions.
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>>288731307>MHA suspiciously missingOh... it's "his" thread
>>288737080Either Tanjiro is being too nice or is plotting something
>>288737105Which one of you sent him that?
>>288737093>MHAhow many worldwide movie sales?
>>288737132Cute
>>288737093no manga that sold over 100 million volumes belongs there, and yes that includes the ones that OP did include because he's a fag.
>>288737162[Spoiler]You fucking traitor![/spoiler]
>>288731307Kinda wild how the KnY manga just ended despite the anime exploding in popularity.I gotta wonder how much pressure the author was getting from jump to milk the series for another 300 chapters by revealing that Muzan was actually just celestial moon 6 and the doctor who turned him was both still alive and the real big bad.
>>288737190[Spoilers]Yuji has been avenged! Saitama wins[/spoilers]
>>288737257He truly was the strongest
>>288737278The placements and kill counts. Should I do another?
>>288732435Nothing. Because there hasn't been any recent anime as of yet that has transcended outside their anime bubble and become a ubiquitous mainstream pop culture phenomenon. Anime is too fragmented because of social media and people don't have a common culture anymore.
>>288731321BNHA has incredible staying power
>>288731738Couldn't let this go, huh? Everyone sees you've been arguing in bad faith>[S]tudios force a minimum play window (3-4 weeks)You're refusing to engage with me by dodging my point about The Marvels and IC theater screenings by week 3 and just repeating yourself over and over again>The 8 months isn't the studio holding a gun to the theater's head...You've moved the goalposts again. I accept your concession that the studio isn't forcing them to but the individual theaters determined it was worthwhile to do so>You argue that if revenue grew, the audience grew... Look at the admissions data (which is publicly available for Japanese films)...Not what I said, stop strawmanning me. You’re still not noting I accounted for inflation and claiming the box office increase is due to ticket prices increasing alone without proof. You can kindly link the Japanese data for me since I've linked examples for you (which you brush aside)>Both had audience expansionYou're wrong. Avatar 1 made $2.924 billion in 2009 (worth $4.019 billion in 2022, $4.388 billion in 2025). Avatar 2 made $2.334 billion in 2022 ($2.548 billion in 2025). Avatar 3 made $1.490 billion in 2025. After inflation, Avatar 2 had a 42% lower box office gross (BOG) vs 1. Avatar 3: 42% lower BOG vs 2 and 61% vs 1. Ticket prices aren't decreasing, so Avatar lost its audience over time. Drop rate isn’t a good metric for audience expansion, especially between different franchises, and you're not considering the 1st week gross amt>if your metric for a massive blockbuster is reaching the publicThis metric is subjective and you're stretching it. No shit, IC has less appeal than mainstream Hollywood films as an anime film. Here's a more fair comparison with BnHA movies. The 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th BnHA movies made $33.4 mil, $30 mil, $47.03 mil, and $32.2 mil, respectively. Now that's something that failed to break its anime niche and only appealed to superfans
>>288731307KnY succeededJJK succeeded
>>288731307Get back to me when Naruto or Bleach have a movie in theaters that breaks $100 million.
>>288731732Kubo Tite's art improvements actually made sense for a 15yo that received the extreme trauma as well as extreme training and glow-up that Ichigo went through. Boys grow a lot and change a lot depending on their diet, training, and just genetics in that age range. 15yo is more or less in the middle of puberty for them.
>>288731307Witch hat atelier is airing right now and that's one of the biggest flavor of the months we had in years. I don't know what metric is being use for this but blue lock should there too.
Analysis"Failure" side (anti-KnY): Started with a sweeping, unfalsifiable claim ("notoriously irrelevant"). When confronted with concrete box-office data, kept moving goalposts: sales don't matter box office doesn't matter impact is what matters (without defining or measuring it). The "second worst weekend drop-off" claim is technically true in raw dollars but misleading — percentage drop is the standard metric, and they knew it (admitted later but waved it away). The theater-cost argument is confused: operating costs fall on exhibitors, not the studio, so it doesn't show the studio "lost money." The Fast & Furious analogy actually undermines their case (Fast is a massive global franchise). Overall: shifting definitions, cherry-picked stats, and asserting a negative ("no cultural impact") without evidence.Rating: 3/10 — bad-faith goalpost-shifting, though they do raise one fair point (box office ≠ long-term cultural footprint)."Success" side (pro-KnY): Brought concrete, sourced evidence: record-breaking grosses, a Japanese children's survey showing cultural penetration, and a correct rebuttal on percentage vs. raw drop-off via Box Office Mojo. Correctly identified that theater operating costs aren't the studio's loss. Did not overclaim — asked the opponent to clarify rather than asserting.One weak spot: the kids' survey is from 2020, used to argue ongoing 2026 relevance — that's a small stretch, though still more evidence than the other side offered.Rating: 7.5/10 — sourced, on-point, fewer logical gaps.Shared failure? Both occasionally argue by assertion ("I doubt that" vs. "I bet they lost money"), but the failure side does it far more systematically. Only the failure side commits the cardinal sin of redefining the goalposts every reply.Verdict: Not artificially balanced — the pro-KnY side is clearly stronger and the anti side is arguing in bad faith, retreating to vaguer claims each round.
>>288740672Continued Analysis"Failure" side (704500, 709111): Makes some legitimate industry points — front-loaded movies vs. movies with "legs" is a real distinction, and holdover clauses do exist. However, several problems:Quietly concedes Japanese cultural impact while pretending the original claim ("notoriously irrelevant") was always about the West. That's retroactive goalpost-shifting.The market-saturation argument is reasonable in theory but applied selectively — they ignore that IC grew ~25% over Mugen Train even adjusted for inflation, which contradicts the "same fanbase, higher prices" framing.The holdover-clause claim is asserted repeatedly without a single source. Industry minimums exist but are typically 2–3 weeks, not 8 months. Claiming The Marvels was forced to stay 56 days is speculation presented as fact."The evidence is the standard industry practice" — that's not evidence, that's restating the claim.Rating: 4/10 — better engagement with specifics than before, but still asserting key premises without proof and quietly retreating from the original "irrelevant" claim."Success" side (705337, 710295): Continues to bring numbers and concrete comparisons. The FNAF vs. FNAF2 example is a genuinely strong rebuttal — if low drop-off equals bigger general audience, then FNAF2 (lower drop, lower gross) outperformed FNAF, which is absurd. The theater-count breakdown for The Marvels vs. IC is the kind of granular evidence the opponent never provides, and it directly refutes the "forced to play" claim: theaters dropped The Marvels rapidly, exactly as profitability dictated. The inflation-adjusted growth math is also fair.Minor weakness: the "I accept your concession" is rhetorical point-scoring, and conceding DB/Naruto have bigger global impact slightly softens their position (though honestly).Rating: 8/10 — sourced, math-backed, and lands a clean counterexample.
>>288740728Shared failure? Both sides occasionally argue by assertion, but only the failure side does it on load-bearing claims (holdover contracts, manufactured milestones). The success side keeps citing verifiable numbers. The gap has widened, not narrowed.Verdict: Success side is decisively winning; failure side is now defending increasingly elaborate theories to avoid conceding the original point.
>>288731307fack off el diablo blanco Jeremy, KnY is a life changing banger classic oldie anime
>>288740744Continued Analysis"Failure" side (710817): Continues to argue with industry-flavored theorizing but still without sources. Some legitimate points:The audience-retention-vs-monetary-growth distinction is conceptually valid.The Top Gun/Avatar "legs" comparison is a fair benchmark.But major problems persist:Silently downgraded the holdover claim from "8 months" "3-4 weeks" without acknowledging the retreat. This is the third goalpost shift in the thread.Ignored the inflation-adjusted 25% growth figure entirely.The FNAF rebuttal is actually a dodge — the opponent's point was that drop-off% alone can't measure general-audience appeal, since FNAF2 had a lower drop than FNAF but grossed less. The response ("FNAF is fan-driven") concedes the methodological flaw without admitting it.Still no citation for any "standard industry practice" claim.Ends with "It's fine if you call it a success but I don't call it audience expansion" — a notable softening from "notoriously irrelevant... failure." That's effectively a concession dressed as a semantic stand.Rating: 4/10 — coherent prose, but built on unsourced premises and quiet retreats."Success" side (712922): Directly identifies the opponent's tactics: the strawman ("I never claimed gross = audience growth, I said they're not mutually exclusive"), the ignored inflation point, and crucially the goalpost shift from 8 months 8 weeks 3-4 weeks. The Top Gun/Avatar counter-question is sharp: if low drop-off = audience expansion, then those franchises "expanded" too — which would contradict the opponent's framing of them as already-broad hits.Weakness: tone is getting combative and the writing is slightly repetitive. Also misspeaks once ("Marvel Rivals" instead of "The Marvels"). Minor.Rating: 8/10 — keeps pinning the opponent to their original claims and exposing the migration.
>>288740780Shared failure? Neither side commits a new shared failure this round. Only the failure side keeps shifting definitions and ignoring direct rebuttals.Verdict: The failure side has effectively lost — they've quietly conceded Japanese impact, audience growth in raw and inflation-adjusted terms, and retreated from "8 months of forced screenings" to "3-4 week windows" (which is uncontested and irrelevant to the original claim). They're now defending a much narrower hill: "it's not *audience expansion*." The success side correctly calls this out.
>>288737196>revealing that Muzan was actually just celestial moon 6 and the doctor who turned him was both still alive and the real big bad.just make a school days isekai with the original cast. except the slay PERSONA shit.
>>288740799Continued Analysis"Failure" side (722650): Now leaning heavily on the ARPU framing, which is conceptually fine but still doesn't engage the inflation-adjusted 25% real growth — the single number that most directly refutes the "it's just price hikes" theory. Just restates the theory louder.Notable failures:"The 'evidence' is the standard industry definition" — explicitly admits there's no citation, just appeals to "public knowledge." This is begging the question.Claims The Marvels being dropped "as soon as the minimum play window expired" confirms their theory — but the opponent already showed The Marvels was steadily dropped from week 3 onward, not in a cliff after a fixed window. The data doesn't fit the model; they're forcing it.Still ignoring the Top Gun/Avatar question, which is now twice unanswered."Objectively failing to sustain itself" at 75% drop — stated as a law, but they've previously conceded percentage depends on opening size. Contradicts their own earlier acknowledgment.Rating: 3/10 — regressing. Recycling claims, explicitly waiving the evidence requirement, ignoring the strongest counterpoints."Success" side (724516): Lands the cleanest blow of the thread by going to the per-theater grosses on The Numbers: when theater count dropped, per-theater revenue went up, and the film even had a profitable rerun. That's the empirical signature of theaters choosing to keep it because it was making money, not being forced to. This directly falsifies the holdover-mandate theory using the exact film in dispute.Also correctly flags:The repeated strawman about "growth alone."The unanswered inflation point (now three times ignored).The unanswered Top Gun/Avatar question.The misuse of "objectively" for a non-causative correlation.Weakness: the post is dense and confrontational, and could be tightened. But every claim is backed by a number or a link.Rating: 8.5/10 — the per-theater data is genuinely decisive.
>>288737278based. worldwide movie success when?
>>288740820Shared failure? No. Only the failure side is repeating itself, dodging questions, and appealing to "everyone knows" in lieu of citation.Verdict: The debate is effectively over. The failure side has been reduced to restating axioms while the success side has produced data that directly contradicts the holdover-mandate model on the very film under discussion. At this point the failure side is arguing in bad faith — explicitly substituting "industry standard" assertion for evidence after being asked four times.
>>288740780this is just AI posting.... also Avatar is not animes.
>>288740846Of course it's AIposting. It's examining who has the stronger argument. The anti-KnY anon brought up Avatar.
>>288737196Wasn’t Gotouge about to keep over when KnY ended or am I thinking of something else
>>288731732I miss the look
>>288740835Continued Analysis"Failure" side (731738): Reappearing across threads, and now executes the most overt goalpost shift yet: "The 8 months isn't the studio holding a gun to the theater's head" — directly contradicting earlier posts that said exactly that ("they're legally bound to keep it," "tethered to them by contractual minimums"). Reframes as "sunk cost momentum" and "opportunity cost failure," which is a different (and weaker) claim than the original.The "admissions data is publicly available" gambit is telling: invokes data without producing it, after being asked for evidence at least five times. Asserts that Japanese sequel ticket volume plateaus without citing a single film.The Top Gun/Avatar answer is finally given — but it's been pre-falsified by the opponent's next post. Claiming Avatar had "audience expansion" through sequels is empirically wrong: Avatar 2 and 3 made less in real terms than Avatar 1.One small merit: the conceptual ARPU/admissions point is, in isolation, methodologically valid — admissions are a better audience metric than gross. But invoking it without data is rhetorical.Rating: 3/10 — explicit contradiction of earlier position, continued evidence-free assertion."Success" side (740133): Catches the contradiction immediately ("I accept your concession") and lands a strong empirical hit with the Avatar inflation-adjusted figures, falsifying the opponent's just-given Top Gun/Avatar answer in real time. The My Hero Academia comparison is also a clean choice: a same-genre, same-format control case showing what "failed to break the anime niche" actually looks like financially — orders of magnitude below IC.Weaknesses:Tone is now openly hostile ("Couldn't let this go, huh?"), which is fair given the bad faith but reduces persuasiveness to neutral readers.
>>288740133I'm not arguing that theaters are held hostage for 9 months. I'm arguing that the initial 3-4 week minimum play window functions as a mandatory dead zone. By forcing theaters to hold on to a front loaded movie that has already peaked, the studio prevents the theater from cycling in a potential sleeper hit that could have actually grown. The fact that the movie stays in theaters for months afterward is the symptom of a sunk-cost strategy, not the cause of the poor performanceActually, MT and IC had nearly identical ticket volume despite 5 years of inflation, higher average ticket prices, and a much stronger pre-release hype. MT made 40.75 billion yen with 28-29 million admissions. IC made 40.2 billion yen with 27.46 million admissionshttps://gamerant.com/demon-slayer-infinity-castle-fails-surpass-biggest-rival-box-office-mugen-train/So the movie had strong revenue growth via price increases and premium formats, but stagnant to modest audience expansion in raw heads through doorshttps://www.statista.com/statistics/653024/japan-average-ticket-price-cinemasAvatar sequels do show some audience fatigue compared to the original but the biggest difference is they still have much stronger legs than front loaded event films cause they pulled in general audiences over months through word of mouth. A 75% 2nd weekend drop is a different beast from Avatar's leggy holds, drop % isn't perfect across franchises but for same genre or similar scale releases, it's a solid signal of front loading and sustained appealBnHA also helps my case more than yours cause they behaved exactly like a specialty movie with limited release, opening in 1400 theaters. IC's US gross is far bigger, but still overwhelmingly fan driven (big opening, brutal drop). It's a bigger niche success, but not a true crossover like you imply
>>288741081The Avatar argument slightly overshoots: declining sequel grosses don't strictly disprove the original film's audience expansion, only that the franchise's reach contracted later. Still, it directly refutes what the opponent just claimed.Rating: 8/10 — empirically grounded, catches the contradiction, lands a clean comparator.Shared failure? No. Only the failure side contradicts its own prior posts and substitutes assertion for data. The success side has been consistent in methodology (cite, link, calculate) throughout.Verdict: The failure side is now openly arguing in bad faith — reversing its own earlier position while pretending continuity, and inventing evidence ("admissions data shows...") it refuses to produce. The success side has effectively won; the remaining disagreement is semantic ("what counts as expansion") rather than factual.
>>288741104Didnt need a chat bot to tell us that J is a goal post moving, seething faggot
>>288742055Why are you ban evading?
>>288741095>I'm not arguing that theaters are held hostage for 9 months>>288703021>This movie ran for 9 months… [i]t just rotted in the theaters>>288704500>[R]arely ever the theater's call. It's almost always the studio's callIt was mixed in the posts about 9 months. Why else would theaters show it that long? You didn’t mention sunk cost until recently>I'm arguing that the initial 3-4 week minimum play window functions as a... dead zone.Some movies may have a 3-4 week minimum play window. However, this doesn't apply to The Marvels and IC. Theaters dropped them by week 3. You've ignored this and repeated yourself for the 3rd or 4th time now>symptom of a sunk-cost strategyYou said it was good for the theaters >>288703021>Actually, MT and IC had nearly identical ticket volumeThank you for finally having data. True, KnY’s growth stagnated in Japan with IC. However, this doesn’t indicate a global trend of stagnation. MT made $50.3 mil in 2020 ($62.4 mil 2025 dollars) and IC made $136.9 mil in 2025 in NA. That's a >2x growth even with inflation. Ticket price hikes alone don't explain thishttps://www.the-numbers.com/movies/franchise/Demon-Slayer-Kimetsu-no-Yaiba>Avatar sequels do show some audience fatigue... [B]iggest difference is... stronger legsStill not audience expansion like you had claimed. It has strong legs because of its appeal as a mainstream Hollywood film vs a niche, like anime>BnHA also helps my case more… a bigger niche success, but not a true crossoverThis is arguing semantics. However, here are the facts:1) KnY films have the widest audience reach of any anime. BnHA is more niche with a smaller fanbase comparatively2) The top grossing movie of all time in Japan is MT. 2nd is IC. One could argue it stagnated because the Japanese market is saturated3) Its gross increased globally and cannot be explained by ticket price increases alone even with stagnation in Japan4) The explanation isn't as simple as superfans increasing the gross
>>288731307>anime ends instead of going on forever like it's capeshit>this is a bad thing apparently
Act-Age..
>>288731321I'm going to make this thread again because it's funny seeing autistic retarded losers like you have schizophrenic meltdowns like that.
>>288731321This kills the Dekufag
>>288740906never missed a week so only in the sense that all weekly mangaka are about to keel over
