Imagine giving a huge budget to most skilled team of animators, musicians and directors producing anime at the same time you hand them over the worst, most dogshit source material, a run of the mill 2010s stakeless isekai complete with 'farsical zero researched medievalism', 'MMORPG world without the MMO part', complete with nonsense videogame D&D linguo like 'party slot, demon king and dungeon raiding', to tell in hundreds of chapters a story that peaks at chapter 3.But the worst aspect of it all has to be the non-characters. Even the series is aware of how bad they are, considering the "climax" of Season 1 involves Fern being questioned about having no motivation or anything to do in the story, then Fern explaining all she likes to do is making Frieren happy, as Frieren explores every corner of the dungeon's floor (because sheltered japanese think the world in terms of videogames, apparently) and wastes her time.Frieren's quest to understand people is a frustrated one, because there is nothing to understand about Frieren's characters. They are all various degree of nice, kind, unambitious, magic loving, exploring a world that is mostly filler where there is nothing to achieve and nothing to find.Excellent music and animation. It'd make a great movie, but it is a dogshit anime and waste of talent made to impress otaku raised sith fucking isekai.Anime has become vapid.
I'm not reading all thatFuck off back to wherever you copied that shit from
>>288736815Frieren is the epitome of human mediocrity in this industry. Simply put, mangakas have too much workload and they don't have the life experience and cultural knowledge to deliver anything better than what they first propose. No one is gonna learn a life lesson from the author of fucking Bleach, while authors who suffered through immense trauma and alienation can translate those to beautiful stories. And then there is Frieren, the Bleach of "isekai" (yes, this is an isekai anime without a reincarnated protagonist. All the mediocrity is in there), which has a storywriter and a drawer, yet both manage to miraculously one up each other in making the most mediocre dogshit.Frieren is saved solely by excellent directors and animators. Which is why the manga is one of the worst things you will read in your life, but the production does all the heavy lifting to save the adaptation despite the retarded script's best efforts.It is like forcing Studio Ghibli to make Azumangah Daioh.
>>288736947I didn't copy this from anywhere, I am just this disappointed with Frieren.
>>288736815i'm not reading any of that
>>288736815All true. Every word of that was true.
>>288736815You have never even watched truly horrible anime. For once, from recent, relatively speaking, memory, there is Ex:Arm. You are a retard and a shitter and basically go watch more anime and lurk for another 10 years before posting.
>>288736815Demon seething thread
>>288736815Sorry that happened
>>288736815Super mid. Just read my old post. >>284504343
>>288736966>It is like forcing Studio Ghibli to make Azumangah Daioh.That is like the worst analogy since I'd expect that to actually be super cool to watch were it to be made.
>>288736815Not reading that shit retard lmao
>>288736815Leaked ending>frieren meets ghost>"thank you virgin himmel">"virgin himmel?">"yea... cuz you died a virgin">"oh yeah">themes and such
>>288736815>isekaiStopped reading there
>>288736815
Frieren is nice and all but I just don't get why it's rated so high. It's not particularly bad or anything but it's not nearly as good as what people make it out to be
>>288736815You are even more retarded than the usual demon lover.
>>288736815I don't think there's any manga as mismatched between its success and its content as Frieren mangaIt's pitiful to see reatrd fanbase seriously analyzing a world that some third-rate writer just cobbled together on a whim
>this schizo tranny hasn't killed xerself yet
>>288736815>Imagine giving a huge budget to most skilled team of animators, musicians and directors producing anime at the same time you hand them over the worst, most dogshit source material, a run of the mill 2010s stakeless isekai complete with 'farsical zero researched medievalism', 'MMORPG world without the MMO part', complete with nonsense videogame D&D linguo like 'party slot, demon king and dungeon raiding', to tell in hundreds of chapters a story that peaks at chapter 3.this but w*** hatwitch hat is worse
>>288736815Frieren could be the textbook definition of "mid". Its not bad, but its certainly not good either. The whole show is a vehicle for inane tidbits masquerading as some deep wisdom or philosophy, all of it carefully crafted for maximum normalfag appeal. Emotional music at the right times so the redditors know when they're supposed to cry and laugh, and constant clippable zoomer-centric aura farming moments instead of any real logic or internal consistency to the universe.I cannot say Frieren is "good" until it ends because most manga fuck the landing, so take in account this could be the most wasteful disappointing shit to watch when all comes to an end.Second Frieren is mostly about the visuals, because characters are never challenge in their ideas, opinions or way of doing things: Frieren had one (1) cathartic revelation on episode 1 and everything else that happen to her is just a confirmation of her way of thinking now. Fern and Stark are stagnant characters, they don't change, they don't move, all characters are already where they need to be and emotional progress its impossible. They're always right, their only minuscule fumbles only arise from the most inconsequential of misunderstandings. Is a show about flat characters in a flat world.But everything its very pretty.Have you heard how all pop music now sounds the same? Because, quoting the study, "as music becoming increasingly formulaic in terms of instrumentation under increasing sales numbers due to a tendency to popularize music styles with low variety and musicians with similar skills." Risk can turn people off from things, art that challenges the viewer always risk alienating a major part of the audience.So nothing in Frieren will ever challenge you, every beat, every episode, every threat will always be more or less the same, Frieren will always be right, no one will ever need to grow, is a safespace for you to watch pretty fights and pretty backgrounds with pretty music.
>>288737438>>288737333>>288737049Oh, yeah. Demons! >entire thing about demons in the manga is that they have no moral depth and should be destroyed on sight because they basic human eaters who use all means to eat them>the manga basically strips itself off any depth regarding the use of magic by making the antagonists just predators>curiously, Frieren and her MMORPG party never have to face bandits, poverty or disgruntled mages, because that would be moral complexDemons in Frieren are not special in the manga, they are just meant to be another thing to be killed without remorse. Then the anime comes up and LEGIT FUCKING WEIRDOS who see politics everywhere start saying that Frieren's demons represent a group of people that they don't like, when the VERY THEME of Frieren's demons is that if you think they are humans, you lost.Demons could be interesting, wrre they infiltrated at various sectors of human civilization, and not just shortisighted creatures with no ambition besides eating people. But we had only two chapters of demoms before the one interesting thing in Frieren was nuked, leaving anime-watchers with this completely misguided idea that demons have some political implication, and that they are not just wild animals who talk.
I know people laugh at that post, but the Frieren anime is "qualityslop"It's really well-made and technically competent, but slop in the parts that actually matter.
>>288737495The manga was not that succesful before thr anime came along.The anime does unbelievable heavy lifting thanks to excellent production value.The problem is that the thing being adapted does not deserve it.Reading the manga is the worst thing a fan of Frieren can do. No cute music, animation and whimsy anymore. Just SAO with some incel fantast that the crush will love them one day (she won't).
>>288737580>Emotional music at the right times so the redditors know when they're supposed to cry and laugh, and constant clippable zoomer-centric aura farming moments instead of any real logic or internal consistency to the universeThe music in Frieren is like the laughing track in an american sitcom.
postin' in the failed ragebait thread
Even if you don't like it it's clearly above average if you consider all the seasonal isekai diarrhea
Is anyone actually reading the embarrassing attentionseeking posts itt? Or is this just the underage shitskin venting hour?
>>288736966You bring up Ghibli, but Miyazaki's personal life is extremely boring and he basically spent his entire adult life drawing anime girls. He's also extremely skilled at making compelling anime films. Artistic genius doesn't come from any specific life experiences or influences. its innate.
>>288736815>still seething about the cute elfPathetic demon.
this isn't you fucking blog
>>288736815>elf>no rapeWhy?
>>288737356Its pretty and comfy and fern is a good focal point for the coomers in the audience that would otherwise be complaining about the show being boring.
>>288737839Mucho texto for your TikTok brain?
>>288738173/a/ doesn't like criticism, much less criticism against an anime with overwhelming praise.Frieren is the textbook case why criticism needs to exist.
>>288736815Based. Never started this trash.
>>288736815>Become
>>288736815Good points. However, I want to have sex with the female characters.
>>288736815>Imagine giving a huge budget to most skilled team of animators, musicians and directors producing anime at the same time you hand them over the worst, most dogshit source materialFirst time?
>>288738173I'm not obligated to read every verbal excrement put on the Internet just because it's long. Especially because it's long.
>>288738050>he hasn't read the Golden Land arc
>>288737737Yes, all anime discussion is pretty much attention/validation seeking behavior.
>>288737574Witch Hat Atelier is slow, but it really has nothing gamey about it.
>>288738548Yes, anime has BECOME bad. There is good fiction out there, and there is good anime coming out in the market right now. Frieren is just not one of it, and it is a dreading example to studios that they don't need good source material, and that production value is all that matters. Frieren overstays its welcome by 100 manga chapters and counting. Arguably, the peak of Frieren (when the story delivers all it has and all the strokes) is the Alma mini-arc. Or even early, in the Wat fight, which is the summary of how everything in Frieren happens. Nothing in Frieren challenges her. The logical conclusion of Frieren's quest is that she realizes humans are all boring cookies.The perfect antagonist to Frieren would unironically be Makoto Shishio from Rurouni Kenshin. Frieren is conformist fiction to passive and apathic depressed millenials who failed life but still have decades to go, so they need to learn how to cope. Makoto Shishio embodies everything about mankind, a revolutionary hero (villain to the Frieren of his story) who acknowledges flaws of the world and understand power must be used to enact change.In comparison, Frieren has this super powerful mages who somehow never use their power to topple thr tyrannical king, then rape and kill everything in sight.Thr story is very scared of Fern's past, even, because human on human violence is harder to explain than demons.
>>288736815>FRIEREN IS ONE OF THE WORST ANIME I HAVE EVER WATCHEDwatch more anime faggot
>>288739453Witch Hat suffer from bad direction and the Clamp-tier pedophile creeping around the little girls, but it is a world better than Frieren. It is just harder to watch, because it is not 13 minutes comic stripes being adapted to anime format, with the director chaperoning the audience and telling them when to laugh and cry.
>>288739512I watched all the animes and Frieren is the worst of them all.
>>288738417I'm actually really glad you got filtered this hard.
native isekai btw
>>288737605t. using words to deceive
>>288736815>They are all various degree of nice, kind, unambitious, magic loving,Like real people. Majority of people are genuinely good and kind to even strangers.You are jaded.
>>288739704Using music and animation to deceive is fine?
>>288739721>Majority of people are genuinely good and kind to even strangersLook at the silver spoon rich kid chiming in. Look at the state of the fucking planet, or the average behavior in a public school, and convince yourself that people are good.Frieren's characters are nothing like real people.
There's a 3 weeks+ thread in the catalog (and another died a few hours ago) and 3 catalog pages worth of 2 days+ threads
>>288739786what do you mean anon
>>288736815retard
>>288739827nothingI just noticed it and wanted to post about it but not make a thread
>>288736815Yeah it's garbage. But you can see that the masses only seek spectacle, all the zoomers rating this as their #1 anime probably have it on a second monitor and constantly look away from it when it's at a boring part (90% of the run time if not more)
>>288739768>Reddit spacingNow that's out of the way.I'm from a poor family. Like depression time poor family. I'm unemployed right now as well.The amount of rude and mean people I have met have mostly been the rich assholes. Among poors? Outside of like druggies(where most even are more of the "just leave me alone" kind) its been just mentally unwell people.Otherwise people help each other, it is human nature. Public school works here well enough, even if social media slop made by rich elite to fuck up people's view of the world and people is annoying.Planet as well is fucked up by the rich elite.I doubt you meet actual people that much, at least not adults. Considering your only examples were "planet is in bad shape" and "people in school are mean!"(failure of the education system btw consider why and where you are from) it is hard to consider you an adult. At least if you brought up crime or such we could have a discussion.I recommend you to actually travel and talk with people. Not people online, but people irl.At this moment tho, your view of humanity is so corrupt that you refuse to believe that majority of people are bad and not kind.Are you a bad person? If you aren't, do you think you are somehow enlightened and above others with your kindness that others don't understand and are evil just for the sake of it?
>>288736815>material, a run of the mill 2010s stakeless isekai complete>isekaiOkay so this is one of the demonfags still seething
>>288736966Ironically, Bleach is far more philosophically nuanced and compelling than Frieren.
>>288739721t. has not lived in a city in latam
>>288740038It might as well be, it's still full of gameshit.
Eh it gave us Aura so it can't be that bad.
Cant be all that bad if people really enjoy it, i'd like to watch it someday with someone
>>288740177Lmao
>>288736815The worst part of modern /a/ is idiots vomiting a wall of text and thinking their waffled ramblings are worth anything.
The worst part of post-modern /a/ is idiots not reading nor engaging with the arguments presented and thinking their shitposting is funny
The best part of modern /a/ is geniuses making wall of text filtering plebs
>>288737605If you don't understand that demons are to be destroyed, you will be killed by AI.It's the same shit.
>>288739453>obvious MMO shopping hub in a circle city in the second episode >native isekai setting>characters cast spells like in mmo>stolen game mechanics from Witch's Wish for the DSglazed anime
>>288740566>stolen game mechanics from Witch's Wish for the DS???
Ummmm, gentlemen, how come no one bothered to post erufu feet over 4 hours 70 replies?
>>288740597
>>288738713so did she made the icecream herself or were there other mages that used that spell of hers to sell icecream?and why would they draw her having that icecream?
not true but probably most overrated.The manga is midcore of midcores, if even
>>288737574witch hat is closer to those tumblr cartoon pitches about lesbian witches than any of that
>>288736990The rant is 100% true.
>>288740500This thread has been made 451,309,335 times already (I've been counting, I promise) and every single one OP has never engaged in good faith. This deserves to be a cute elf thread.
>>288740667Cos it's not Friday.
>>288736815>>288737605>OP is just a fag who wanted another "human are the real monster" storyChimera Ants Arc has been a disaster for the hum/a/n race
>>288736815Too long
>>288741880>bad faithI've stated my position, and other educated people stated theirs. If your claim is right, a million people did as well. Everyone was in bad faith? I don't think so. This anime just isn't good, and does not deserve the praise it gets. >>288740667Coomers can coom to anything.>>288740284>oh no, I hate when people use the anime discussion board to discuss something>>288740038The bar is low. I mentioned Bleach because it is the dumbest of the Big 3 of the late 1990s.>>288739978My vision of humanity is "corrupt" because humanity is corrupt. I guess you haven't realized it yet. If you are in Europe, know that you have sponsored 22 million people losing their homes or dying in a senseless war over a little lord who collects yachts in Israel.If you are in America, knoe that you sponsor war, homelessness and immense suffering throughout the world, and that your very way of life relies on fear and suffering of people weaker than you, forced to use your currency anf submit to your satanic creepy elites.This is at the highest level of power. The world is filled to the brim with example of how worthless life is and how evil man truly is. This is not a good world, nor it is getting better. We are in hell, and telling yourself that people are good or kind as a rule is just bullshit. People are just cowards, too afraid to take what they want, but too lazy to be good. In the end, they just get taken advantage of by those who are stronger and more ruthless, then they cry havoc and panick when you start naming who is the problem. For most, they got theirs, and that is all that matters. You are probably not s good person, nor anyone you know is, you just didn't have the opportunity or lack the desire to do anything. We confuse weakness with goodness quite too often.
>>288742398Not at all.All I wanted for Frieren are good side-characters so the protagonist had something to do. Instead I got a big tourism trip around a generic MMORPG world that is not even consistent itself, with one town being ravaged by demons while its neighbors on the demon infested wasteland has no walls and is an idyllic town with hotsprings and other anime gag props while the other town hosts an elegant 19th century ball while in a war against demons because we need to have a Fern x Stark cute scene.It is way too inconsistent, whoch is why people call it isekai-like, because isekai has the excuse of being a videogame world, so it allows itself to be indifferent to basic worldbuilding.The lack of worldbuilding severely harms the story. Since there is such commitmrnt to a non-world, there is no One Piece to find, no oceans to chart, to swords to collect, no demon world government to topple, no ninja politics, nothing. The only thing we get is a very flimsy mage classification system which is not even consistent with itself, since we see a travelling party without a 1st-class mage one chapter after Fern gets ger certification, and rhat the whole certification system is bullshit and not enforced at any moments, thus making the entire Chuunin Exam arc a huge waste of time. At least it is only six anime episodes long and not much longer in the manga. But it also serves us to some of the worst episodes in the series, specifically the fact that videogame dungeons exist in Frieren's universe, which makes everything ten times dumber and more vapid.You
Frieren is why you need worldbuilding. Luffy in One Piece can only have an immense specialized crew eith various dreams because the Universe of OP allows for those many dreams to come true because it is so vast.What is Fern's dream? None. There is nothing for her to achieve. She is just stumbling around eith Frieren on a decade-long trip north to see a person that she doesn't even care about seeing, nor that she believes she'll find, and she even admits her only care is to see Frieren happy because Frieren treats the world like a playground, stripping all tension from the narrative.Jesus Christ, dude. Even the new Digimon is better.
>>288736815>No lolisho>No incest>No grooming/age gapsThere are so much worse out there dude.
I don't even care about Frieren but these threads give me another reason to hate worldbuilding-obsessed autists.
I did not care for season 2's OP and ED
I am now 100% sure I could buy elf sex with a grimoire
>>288743283How's Tiktok?
>>288742993>>288743069Ridiculous. You just failed to understand the point of the show. It´s about the journey, not the destination.
>>288736815I know you have to be a hyperbolic and extremist schizo to stand out in le epic 4chan but I agree with this to a point.I don't think the anime is vapid but ironically its attempt to have "stakes" are a real detriment to it. I feel Frieren is at its best when it's a low intensity fantasy SoL about an old woman reminiscing about her past, and it becomes really boring and formulaic when the magical beams start flying. It really doesn't help that every side character with minimal exceptions (Methode and kinda Ubel) all have the same (lack of) personality. It feels kinda hollow how the series tries to make a big deal about how demons lack emotions and souls when everyone is just as unemotional.
>>288736815All this means is that you haven't watched much anime.
>>288743861Of course it is about the journey. The destination doesn't even exist, and the journey is uninteresting.One might even say it is neither about the journey, nor the destination. It is about the previous journey.
>>288743861>It's about the journey, not the destinationNTA, but the fact that the S2 Stark x Fern romance "arc" was only 2 episodes long disproves your point. Or perhaps it's because it was written by a woman (probably a femcel) that she can't come up with a creative date, or second date, for them, and had to cope with the line "any time a man and a woman are together is a date"
>>288740566It has big thighs tomboys.
>>288736815I told you normies that it was mid, I am still surprised that it was #1 in mal
>>288744121I think Frieren is melting down its themes less than 1/3 of the chapter count in.It is very amateurishly put together. This was supposed to be a 12 episodes bittersweet comedy about Fern being tutored by a melancholic whimsical elf into becoming an adult.If it had ended with Fern besting Lugner and becoming a demon slayer and making true to her promisse to the priest guy, it'd be great. Stark is thoroughly unecessary.I'm reading the manga and I legitimately have no idea what they are doing anymore. Characters are static, build ups are pointless.
>>288743069>What is Fern's dream? None. There is nothing for her to achieve. She is just stumbling around eith Frieren on a decade-long trip north to see a person that she doesn't even care about seeingIsn't it obvious? If Frieren gets to see her dead friends, Fern and Stark will get to see their dead family, Heiter the priest who stopped Fern from committing suicide, and raised her. Or did you forget the very beginning of the show? While there are plenty of valid criticisms of the show in this thread, yours is not.
>>288744226Rewatch the Fern cknversation with the long-haired mage during the dungeon, Season 1.
>>288742993>All I wanted for Frieren are good side-characters so the protagonist had something to do. Instead I got a big tourism trip around a generic MMORPG world that is not even consistent itself, with one town being ravaged by demons while its neighbors on the demon infested wasteland has no walls and is an idyllic town with hotsprings and other anime gag props while the other town hosts an elegant 19th century ball while in a war against demons because we need to have a Fern x Stark cute scene.But hey, if you read manga instead of watching the anime, then all those towns will use the same copypasted stock buildings, roads and trees. So there is an underlying coherence!
>>288736815I've stopped paying attention to super popular new anime. Everything you said about Frieren is true of Demon Slayer and JJK and plenty of others. I really don't even watch new anime at all now that I think about it, there's already an endless amount of anime out there to watch that isn't about flat boring characters in lifeless formulaic isekai worlds.
>>288744551People are clueless to how shit the manga is.
>>288736966>mangakas have too much workload and they don't have the life experience and cultural knowledge to deliver anything better than what they first propose.This is a huge problem in pretty much every creative field all across the developed world. There's WAY too many people who have lived sheltered meaningless lives who think they have something to say and pump out the most boring soulless garbage imaginable. There used to be standards and filtering processes to weed these low effort faggots out but now everybody is encouraged to go follow their dream of becoming the next big artist despite having nothing to convey through their art.
ringo > rumba > bure
>>288740566>isekai slop bros fr fr
>>288744698funny you post thatnot nearly the only (native) isekai to trace Mont Saint-Michel though
>>288743283Thank you for pointing out why it's shit.
>>288744716I like the railings on the bridge are higher than many of the houses
>>288743069>What is Fern's dream? None. There is nothing for her to achieve. She is just stumbling around eith Frieren on a decade-long trip north to see a person that she doesn't even care about seeing, nor that she believes she'll find, and she even admits her only care is to see Frieren happy because Frieren treats the world like a playgroundThis is a perfectly fine motivation as long as you have good world building, like you said, and make the character actually interesting outside of them being a sidekick for the MC.
>>288744698>>288744716They copied the most famous monastery on Earth, while completely misrepresenting what makes it a special?They have access to Google, but can only connect to their own concepts on surface level.
You find out pretty early in anime that all the flowery, unique descriptions of premises of various shows are all horseshit. Really everything's an extremely reductionist trope salad where a couple genres are repeated ad infinitum. The premise goes out the window in about 13 seconds and you're left with a boiled down narrative that's as cookie cutter as the next. It's really a problem with how manga get greenlit, where editorial departments are absolutely up their own fucking assholes pretending how pitches and pilot chapters need to be "unique" when they're anything but, but I would need a whole blogpost to get into that sort of institutionalized pretentiousness I can't get into here. Suffice it to say anime inherits the problem inherent to its source materialThat's why almost none of your criticism matters. All anime has to differentiate itself from one another is the quality of the audio-visual production values. Frieren isn't bad because it's generic or its premise is as bait and switch as every other fucking nip light fiction. It's great because its beautifully realized on the small screen from the background art to the busier battle scenes. Honestly OP the only thing I even want to talk to you about is how Frieren's editing isn't as bad as you make it out to be. Since compared to a lot of modern battle shounen of today, Frieren's combat flows quite logically and is easy to follow without trying to distract you with spastic flashing light shows from how poorly choreographed a scene is.
blah blah blah "these characters aren't as exaggerated as I am used to" blah blah "I have asperger's and don't understand subtlety"
OKAY BUT WHAT ARE YOUR EXAMPLES OF GOOD ANIME
>>288745024Well the point of tracing or drawing after a real-world model isn't to depict it, it's to use its features for you purposes.Of course, it's not necessarily sloppy, but with such famous pieces, it's better to not be as literal and try to just draw your own version, not copy it too directly, unless it's an overt hommage.
>>288745194>OKAY BUT WHAT ARE YOUR EXAMPLES OF GOOD ANIMEAnything that doesn’t have >>288743283ergo Frieren is actually already better than 95% of anime that isn’t battle shonen.
do you think frieren has been wearing those same tights for hundreds of years
>>288745418yes (imagine the aroma)
>>288744160>I am still surprised that it was #1 in malIs Frieren the first/only anime that has ever managed to beat FMAB out of that spot?
>>288736815Never watched this because Frieren and Himmel and the whole art style are extremely ugly
>>288745502Media ratings/reviews are totally meaningless now. Everybody just floods the newest thing with either the best or the worst reviews based on whether or not it's popular on social media at the moment, you can't use them as any sort of reliable metric of quality whatsoever anymore.
>>288742784they're not supposed to be railings
>>288745024The WHA island looks nothing like it, but is a densely built up island with a large central tower.
>>288745418>>288745466Frieren has three audiences (I am neither):>loser millenial normies who had already quit anime and needed a tearjerker self-pity part so they can cope with the cavalcade of fuck ups that was their miserable existence and relate to the cut elf because she misses her friends>coomers and moe audiences who feel lust for the cute neotenous elf due to her child traits>people who just watch whatever comes outFrieren to me exposed the crisis of mediocrity in manga. Anime involves a lot of talent who can salvage a bad story through produxtion value (like Frieren). But manga itself is undergoing a crisis.I can't imagine Lain, Evangelion, Fruits Basket, Berserk or even a new One Piece being created nowadays.Mangaka of that caliber do not want to work anymore, and I blame Sword Art Online for destroying manga.
>she's making them seethe again
ITTdesu
I made a rule to never read a manga with an ugly female protaganist so this one never made it past.
>>288736815ragebait thread
>>288736815demons still melting over frieren. kek
>>288746580>>coomers and moe audiences who feel lust for the cute neotenous elf due to her child traitsyes this is me
How and why did this show manage to not just become popular but to be rated as one of the top anime of all time?It's easy to dismiss it as people are retarded, but I'm curious about the actual reasons beyond that.My theory is that it was the distinct lack of ambiguity that caused this. Humans are all good, they are no danger to each other, there is no war or anything, it's basically a high trust society everywhere, thanks to Himmel The Hero™.Meanwhile demons are all bad, they look like humans but are not and should be killed on sight. That's the most clear cut distinction between good and evil possible.Maybe the critical part was to make the demons look and behave like humans while clearly stating they are not, basically dehumanizing the enemy and providing a license to kill without moral concern.This is the most laziest possible way to create an enemy but it resonates especially since people are already at each others throats everywhere, many probably wish they could just do that, kill their perceived (political) enemies without repercussions.And because the one doing the killing is le cute old quirky autistic elf lolibaba any last bit of ambiguity flies out of the window. We are being shown that since demons are not human killing them has exactly zero negative consequences on any of the characters, no trauma, no self-doubts. Today they kill demons, tomorrow they eat icecream, and everyone is always happy, or at least mildly content and unmoved from all the killing and pain and almost dying sometimes (still nothing at stake because magic).And what is a better fantasy to resonate with midwits than a scenario where not only their human-looking enemies are not humans and can and even must be killed which will have zero negative consequences and instead everyone will praise you and then you get to live in happy fantasy land with icecream and loli elves and pretty ladies.
>>288736815it's a metaphor for life
>>288746580>Fruits Basket>unironically lumping it in with classics such as Lain and EvangelionThat shit had the most cringe anime plot twist ever that involves the very things that are ruining the anime and manga industry by drifting away towards realism and instead pandering to creepy otaku fetishes: aka pedophilia and incest.I’m sorry but I cannot take seriously any story that involves a mother raising her daughter as a reverse trap because she’s unironically jealous of her daughter’s relationship with her biological father and thinks some daughterwife grooming shit is going on. At some point plots like this just make anime out to be a facetious parody of itself. Normies like Frieren precisely BECAUSE it doesn’t blindside and jumpscare you with typical anime tropes involving the sexualization of minors and family members.Pedo and incest pandering is what’s ruined so-called other “normie core” anime too like SpyXFamily and JJK, pray it never manages to touch Frieren and ruins what mainstream goodwill it’s built up over the years.
>>288737605The demons as a supposed species that naturally evolved on the planet is exceptionally fucking retarded you retard.The Brits hunted all natural predators larger than a fucking cat, to extinction. The US did the same in half the fucking country with wolves, and the States that did had to bring them back because coyotes were growing to the size OF wolves.Just the idea Demons weren't obliterated the second they crawled out of the primordial soup is just retarded. It falls apart at the seams with basic logic.Then add onto that you supposedly have an advanced species of actual fucking psychopaths, that procreate and form hierarchies... Fucking how? Demons have no logical reason to reproduce, males could rape females, but females could just as easily kill their spawn or evolve natural abortifacients.bbMore over, Demons obly eat people, so why would they want competition? The are shown to hate each other and borderline refuse to cooperate, only doing so ubder hierarchies that'd last all of ten seconds before collapsing because demons have no natural incentive to cooperate because they're fucking psychopaths.Freiren isnt dumb as a series because of politics, its dumb because demons cannot exist naturally, and only do so because the author needs to jerk off how badass theit waifu is.In fact, thats the entirety of the whole series, its not a story, its a device to allow an artistic Nippon autist to play out the fantasies of his gay fucking OC waifu as she does cute girl doing cute thibgs, lamenting never being dicked by her Gary Stu Author self insert. Its the writing of fucking harry potter fan fiction, animated by one of the most talented anination houses of the modern day.
>>288736815Put on a trip so I can filter your shit opinions.
What compels a man to watch an obviously derivative anime aimed at mass audience and then complain about it being mediocrity with big production value?Did you fall for the "don't judge a book by its cover" meme? You can feel how soulless it is from this image alone.
>>288736815TRVKE
>>288747601>aimed at mass audienceLemme guess, you only consider it “aimed at a mass audience” just because it happens to lack the gross fetish shit so prevalent in other anime? Adding loli pantsu and imouto brocons won’t inherently inject it with more soul, in fact that’s what takes away an anime’s soul. It shows you have no faith in the message you want to tell and have to insert creepy sex shit just so it can sell.The fact Freiren doesn’t go out of its way to pander to the lowest common denominator makes it far more soulful than 90% of otaku slop.
>>288747649>>>/v/Here's the (You)
>>288736815bbbbaaaaaassssssseeeeedddddddi saw that 1 scene of flavourless frieren telling pinky to kys and immediately could tell all the show comes down to is petty little ego tripping fantasies screened by sum unlovable woman. watching it is a visual lobotomy, snore
>>288747649What? Why do you come up with fake scenarios in your mind?Though you're right on one thing, I should've used "extremely wide audience" instead, since niche anime doesn't really exist in an industry with no excess of money.>The fact Freiren doesn’t go out of its way to pander to the lowest common denominatorIt does, it's equally vulgar to the billion "girlfriend" slop anime airing each season, just in a different way. It aims at normalfags instead of virgin losers.
>whuuuuuaaaah ragebait threat>serves pure seethinglmfao saw the bait and bit
>>288747706>It does, it's equally vulgar to the billion "girlfriend" slop anime airing each season, just in a different way. It aims at normalfags instead of virgin losers.Normalfag anime are about as opposite of vulgar as you can get since they contain zero offensive sexual content. Also creepy pervert losers are clearly a lower denominator than normalfags.
frieren is a borewhore show that attracts the most low vibrational neckbeard bitches from the smellest nests of the internet. They can bite the ragebait with their maze like molars and still have nothing of value to say other than “shut up bitch die its really really really really good” who gets this defensive over their 2d loli waifu other than skools smelliest rankiest pokemon card collecting retard
frieren looks like an undesirable common-ranked gacha pull, you spend 1k diamonds on a roll see her ugly prebubesecnt boy face pop up 10x then quit
frierens most fluorescent colours are black and white- a perfect representation of her mundane lobotomy personality
the only good thing about frieren as a series is that you get a huge egoboost comparing the common sheeple to yourself, its like delusions of granduer expect they are completely based in reality
>theres no frieren fanserviceone of her biggest character perks is perking her ass out of a obscured hole like an unspayed horny cat, or a cheat escort dining at the gloryhole
heh,,, yea,, i did the right thing,,, the peopl need me ,,
i havent seen a single woman on the internet who actively enjoys or engages in frieren discussion, if foids dont wanna kinnie her in their icons this is 100% a sloppy bj series. the only “people” who enjoy this show are malding moids in a pen of pigs snorting shit and rolling in mud calling it quality lifestyle
>>288747601>You can feel how soulless it is from this image alone.so fucking trve, im starting to believe in sovless deepstate npc drones drilled with the sole purpose to eat and spit shit.This is a really shitty cover sidenote it looks like a garage band style photo , hair blowing in the wind look at cam
frieren is like AI without the intelligence so just artificial
imagine living for 188273849492827 years without any noticable developments in personality or behavior , im convinced theres a lobotomy wand just lodged up her nose
Frieren is unironic degenerate art. Its audience isn't "normalfags," it's genuine subhumans.I once argued with a frierenfag who claimed this show is a masterpiece, only to discover that he literally didn't understand the concept of metaphor.Like, I said, "your argument makes as much sense as X," and he thought I was literally accusing him of X.
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I could watch a brain scan of a lobotomy live and video and would struggle differentiating the novel experience with frieren
The nueral connections severing and fizzling out… yeaaaaaaaaaaa dis shiet good
>>288747940>i havent seen a single woman on the internet who actively enjoys or engages in frieren discussion, if foids dont wanna kinnie her in their icons this is 100% a sloppy bj series.Rumiko Takahashi is a big Frieren fan apparently.
All frieren fags have 2 rod like foreign objects impaled in their body, one in the brain region responsible for discernment, another sitting in the sitting apparatus
>>288748075>not a single woman>woman named is japanesethank you, chris chan for the contribution. But i meant twitter nangers. no girl in the target age demographic admires frieren as a show or character. Which basically makes it a male fantasy
>>288748107>Which basically makes it a male fantasy…And? Being a male fantasy is not an inherently bad thing unless you’re a feminist woketard. As long as that “male fantasy” doesn’t contain any degenerate diddy slop unc shit and the fanservice is of non-related adult women then it’s perfectly acceptable. If you don’t like big tits or big ass then you’re either gay, or a pedo yourself and deserve the electric chair.
>>288748088288748046288748019>>288748000>>288747982>288747828>288747879(You)
>>288748107>Male fantasy. People keep saying this but i don't see it, it barely has fanservice or anything appealing to men.It's a normalfag midwit fantasy.
>>288748222if you’re gonna curb my pitch like a sleezebag on srris with no cogs in the initive then ill parry you like a retard too.Frieren is an preschool sized “woman” with a tendency to get step-sis stuck with her booty waving in the wind like a pornstar begging for a good dicking down. is that appropriate?
>>288748272then why does it only appeal to men. i dont see girls swirling their tongues around frierens feet. for such a hyped up animu theres hardly any female fans, ive seen maomao profile altars, whose origin is almost equally as mundane as freeme
It's an overrated pile of shit. Most boring show I've ever watched.
>>288748375same same same same same same same
>>288748375dog knows BALL
i believe 50% of screentime is just frieren and friends walking and talking about the weather
>>288736815You've upset the Frieren redditors
how much (you)s you wanna bet every frieren fan is a friendless faggot larping as a cold cringe kuudere with shitty DIY animu bangs
>>288748415Fuck em
all the frieren friends ran back to r/frieren to glaze their brain with validation
literally how is anyone this furiously frantic when it comes to defending a fucking anime. How does anything matter this much to you. Is she a self insert for insecure socially inedpt moids with powerfantasies?
You wanna know why bitches like frieren? because its a show about an old mellow hag out of her glory days, wallowing in regret and wasting her years away, very relatable for the mid-30 year old redditors reminiscing on their highschool years.If doing nothing and withering away is relatable, you’ve already been BTFO.
good plot, animation and charactersinstead of trying to pivot to pander to demographics like entertainment and art are some algorithm maybe you should learn to not be a hack writer
>>288748700>>288748736Wrong and you're gay. Characters are some of the worst ive ever seen in any anime.
>bad character writinggo back to watching cape shit, one tune instruments are more down your alley
>>288748751agreed bo$$
>>288748700So Frieren is popular for the same reason as Mixtape?
frieren is the most boring piece of dogshit personality ever, throughout how many thousand years her character has remained stone cold and unchanging. shes invincible to character growth (both mentally and psychically) and in all a nothingburger negative nancy. She has no “flaws” (in her world) AND no assets except mary sue signatures like winning every battle and thinking herself a cure to cancer before choking on before choking on her cyst. a raging niglet with BLM plot armor, and an army of fat bitches with black fist facepaint hyping her up. in the end, just another nigg(er)
>frieren had no character growththe entire story is about her finally learning how to form bonds and her struggle to connect to her dead companions, this is revealed in first episodeif you're going to critique a show at least watch it, if you have watched it and still cannot discern character growth from episode fucking one onwards you're a writing hack
>>288748982learning how to form bonds should’ve been a lesson your parents taught you. reclusive repulsive radioactive relationships retard. If mumbling to others in a condescending reddit-esc manner is growth to you i think you should try a penis puller
>frieren is essentially a neet coming out of their nestlol’d
>>288748782Everyone being sad and quiet all the time isn't interesting.
>>288749021yea, its like watching to distinguished british gentlemen have a cup’a tea and crumpet whilst discussing world war 2, fuck off with your reminisce renaissance no one gives a shit about the past, learn to live in the present peasant whore
>frierens growth is the most unimaginabley unimpressive middle-grader accomplishment ever.Woah! i made a friend at schools today! Im.. Actually thats way outta frierens league. I spoke down to someone is a not-so haughty way today
>>288749005you do know that she was orphaned at a young age, came from a culture of elves where they practically are all turbo autists with barely any reproductive instincts and was raised by a human who tried her best to raise her to be a demon killing machine, right?you did watch the anime before you watched a youtube clip and stormed off to 4chan(nel) to complain about the character, didn't you?>>288749021they live in a world where there are monsters that hunt their kind for shits and giggles (and food), all 3 of the main cast are war orphans with trauma out the ass and the introduction to fern is her about to jump off a cliff as a little child before the priest saves herthey're not sad and quiet all the time they learn to trust each other as a group of adventures along the way and it actually feels organic instead of some speedrun episode
“””””””frieren flying out into the bay with her wand blasting fucking la lazerbeams is the bestest action ever””””””
>>288749051>you do know imaginary character had imaginary life that made her uninmaginarly shitkool bro
>"a character dubbed frieren the slayer is a shoot first ask questions later demon killing machine"there's plenty of other fights, mages are just very prevalent in the show due to 2/3 of the main cast being mages and that pushing the story forward>>288749065it's called good writing if the imaginary lives they lead makes sense, thank god you're not an author you would write like shit
>you do know…>explains why fictional story isnt shit because in fictional story the setting is shityea……….
>the setting is shitlore dump how much you know about the setting mr goalpost
>>288749071i could write a way more entincing story than this, but then again, your hylic material molded jewish brainwashed brain wouldn’t be able to grasp it
>>288749085Bitch you think a picture of an elf peeking out a bush is peak shut the fuck up you drowsy despressed dog
I like watching that purple bitch get railed by big ogre cock
>>288749085If i thought a frieren lore grimoire was a goldmine id be a fat fucking redditard, but im not, so
>>288749095>i could write a good story, b-but it's not like i want to make a ton of money being a best selling authorpsh, you reek of a sociopath that got triggered by their depiction of demon's as soulless abusers who only use human language to trick others
>>288749128mix me another wordsalad, dookie dome, i like to watch my figure
>make a ton of moneyAWWWW BOO BABIE GOT PSYOPPED BY THE BABYLON JEWS NNNNNNOOOOOOOO the pieces are all coming together now, is btfo’ng NPCs ablism?
>soulless abusers who only use human language to trick othersshould have risen above your condition if you wanted sympathy, you do not require inherent empathy to understand the utility of benevolence
>>288749161ive been meaning to say somthing like thathttps://voca.ro/1nkBqFpgVxNB
The show is so obsessed with Himmel that his death is almost nullified by how often he influences the show. Meanwhile Fern and Stark are have less character than post flanderization strawhats.
>>288736815"one of the worst" has to be an exaggeration unless you've seen 10 anime. but that said, I agree with everything you wrote. and I would also add, as many others have pointed out, that along with being non-characters, they have almost no emotional expression, with maybe the exception of Stark who occasionally expresses fear and dejection, and several side characters who sometimes have one emotion that fits into their trope. it's actually jarring how the characters constantly interact with a completely deadpan face and voice regardless of the context. they're in the middle of a life or death struggle and they still talking to each other like two extremely bored office workers in a meeting. if it was just Frieren and one or two other characters we could write it off as them being autistic, but it's literally the entire cast. even Stark is like that 90% of the time.
Frieren is nothing more but the most overrated series ever exist.
it is funny when the fans get what they actually want and it lands so well people feel the need to shit on it for replacing fmab as the top anime
>frieren is le isekai because a demon is a King and I get le triggered>woke hat isn't despite 9999 isekai like Bookworm, or Muh Cheat Magician, that are just witches casting some cheat magic, exactly like woke hatA youtuber told you to think this
>>288749353ironically no youtuber is brave enough to fend off freeme stands because they ahve hazerdous spikey pikes up hidden in their assholes, possibly lethal. Also explains alotta things
>>288737438>>288737333>>288737049>>288742398Demons really live rent-free in the head of every Frieren defender. Which is quite remarkable, given that they are pretty poor villains, who do not even reach the bar of an average shonenshit badguy squad, and only exist so that the story can have intelligent antagonists without moral complications of killing them. They have no interesting goals or plans, and there is no emotional or ideological element to fighting them.How a group so trash manages to be a standout part of the show? Might it be that the rest is even more ass?
The plot sucks major dick but the production values are off the charts.No wonder they maga never took off.
>>288749128>i dont wanna make alotta moneysidenote on this shit.So you’re an author, working alongside an artist doing half the work. So thats like a, 50% split? 200k yen is about 1.2k in $, half that its $500-something. is that rich? Your income is how much volumes you sell, which can just be pirated online for free.. is that rich?>Mangakas usually do not receive ongoing commissions from anime. Instead, they are paid a one-time upfront licensing fee (often around ¥150,000–¥200,000 per episode), plus minor royalties (0.5%–1%) from DVD/Blu-ray sales. The studio and publisher take the majority of the profits
It’s not quite as sloppy as typical isekai (with cheat skill, slave wife, etc), but it’s too low-quality to be called high fantasy. Scholars, is there a simple phrase that perfectly captures Freiren?
>>288736815Frieren is greatBad thread
>>288737356It came at a time when people were too overwhelmed by everything happening all at once so they craved a show that's slow and low stakes - Iyashikei. Frieren hits the sweet spot for the average consumer who's now a normalfag. It's deep only on the surface so that the average person can have the aesthetic of depth while keeping the simplicity. Then it hit a feedback loop where it became popular because it was popular.In short, it's the perfect comfort food for stressed out normalfags.
>>288736815I liked it but the direction does get comically overdramatic at times over the most mundane shit. It reminds me of Bakemonogatari's direction but it takes itself dead serious.
>>288740667Hundreds of men and wild beasts have used those feet to pleasure themselves.
>>288743283You're too obvious.
>>288736815I liked it but video-gameisms was annoying me too
>>288743283>>No lolisho>>No incest>>No grooming/age gapsThanks for pointing out what Frieren is missing.
I dropped it halfway into season 1 because the plot moves extremely slow. Also it has very low stakes and the characters are bland overall. It's basically just a boring SoL with a gamefied fantasy setting.I don't get how it became more popular than Dungeon Meshi at least in the west, I guess because normalniggers are always attracted to the most inoffensive crap and because they like pandering to others?
>>288746580>I blame (LIGHT NOVEL SERIES) for destroying mangaGenuinely subhuman IQ
don't care, it was the best
>>288736815>isekaiStopped reading there.
>>288736815>FRIEREN IS ONE OF THE WORST ANIME I HAVE EVER WATCHEDThis man has never watched anime before in his life.
Proper bait requires effort, OP.
>>288747248>How and why did this show manage to not just become popular but to be rated as one of the top anime of all time?Melancholic millenial losers and zoomers who have never watched anything besides cheap isekai.While demons remove the unecessary moral ambiguity (Frieren never had to deal with thieves, the classic Batman rich boy beating up poor kids trying to make a living), the story can make its gag plot beats that are completely off tone.
>>288747488Fruits Basket was written by a lady whose BPD mother tried to stab her.
>>288747601Fullmetal Alchemist is for mass audience, yet it is not bad. One Piece. Naruto. Rurouni Kenshin was entirely about humans and what compels people to do evil and be rejected by society.
>>288752387>Fruits Basket was written by a lady whose BPD mother tried to stab her.Proof? How do you know this? Did her mother accuse her of trying to seduce her father too?
Frieren achieve such high popularity because a lot of entry-level newfags had flooded in and deemed it the best anime they had ever seen (the only anime they had ever seen before? Demon Slayer and JJK)Frieren isn't bad but it suffers very typical problems of sloppy isekai-like worldbuilding that was using Dragon Quest as inspiration.Frieren benefited enormously from the high production values. A similar series would be Violet Evergarden--another show with poor writing, but was overrated enormously thanks to how Kyoani slathered it in pretty postprocessing effects.
>>288752413>Ruroni KenshinWritten by an Epstein, so discarded.
>>288736815Discount Lina Inverse
I can understand why someone might not like Frieren, or any show for that matter since different people have different tastes. But damn, you guys really obsess over it
I just enjoy the elf, simple as
>>288736815BASED and TRUE
