>Gets to enslave and rape girls Now I understand why people hate Naofumi. It's a projection of their own jealousy. Because they can’t enslave and rape girls in the real world. Since doing those things to girls would get them arrested. Wage slavery isn’t even real slavery. Enslaving people is not the same as paying them for their work.
He didn't enslave or rape anyone, that's woke propaganda. He was kind to a slave he bought (liberated) and she fell in love with him.
>>288780976He did so enslave chicken girl. She was pissed about it too.No rape though. Has he actually had sex?
>>288780931It just makes me so fucking mad that I will never have a harem of sex slaves to rape
It wasn't slavery (sex/labor), it was conscription at the very worst, which is probably legal in the country you're posting from.
>>288780931When I started watching S4 I unironically was shocked at how much of a cashgrab this show became. Its unimaginable how unnecessary the S4 felt. Levels like this have never been reached before
>and rape girlsThat never happened but she totally fantasized about it
>>288780931Most isekai protagonists don't engage in the whole slavery fetish; those stories are aimed at lonely autists who can't talk to girls, so they fantasize about getting a girlfriend by going to a store, something that they understand. The girl is always super ok with it, so the rest of the story can be focused on some autist fixiation like gaming, farming, settlement development, or trade deficits. Just endless aimless shit and getting new girlfriends.
>>288782982>so they fantasize about getting a girlfriend by going to a storeNobody does that. This is just a completely regular savior complex fantasy
>>288781142>Has he actually had sex?Literally sacrificed Melty to rape bird in order to escape sex.
>>288783027Rescuing the girl from slavers is a savior-complex fantasy; being their regular customer is not.
>>288780931Kek, I see what you did here
>>288783082Same shit stupid. Millions of slaves throughout antiquity were freed by transaction
>>288783173I don't think they keep them as girlfriends in some Stockholm syndrome polyandrous relationship.
>>288783257That's just the savior fantasy part which you have reframed as some kind of nonsense. polyandry refers to a male harem btw
>>288783290Savior fantasy still has the whole courtship of the girl, and you know, freeing her. Isekai slavegirls are not even liberated; their status becomes irrelevant because they are so in love with the protagonist. After all, he is a "nice guy". The fantasy is not about rescuing the girl, but bypassing modern dating and just buying a girlfriend.
>>288783423Your post doesn't make any sense because you're saying there's no courtship but admitting the girls are so in love they're basically slaves anyway, obviously the courtship IS the savior/rescue fantasy and you're twisting that idea into a pretzel trying to turn it into some retarded shit. Obviously the savior fantasy "bypasses" whatever "modern dating" means, how would you even reconcile the two? You gotta hit her up with a pickup line on slave tinder first?
>>288783508Anon, if you think the protagonist not raping his property and being a ok guy counts as "courtship". I don't know what to tell you.
>>288783611And if that's the way you're going to reframe "savior fantasy" I'll just let it speak for itself.
We really gotta do this huh?Shield Hero is shit and fuck the author for not just finishing the LN series with a proper ending.
>>288783689Well, I don't think buying a girl and keeping her as a slave counts as "saving her", but you do you.
>>288783723Most of these stories are shit and have no point besides the initial pitch. I'm not surprised this one has no ending.
>>288783723It's still not over? I stopped reading the LN after they went to the other world after the whole world turtle shit.
>>288783737You already admitted it's irrelevant once she's in love so I don't know how you got back there.
>>288783775It's irrelevant because the status of the girl as a slave plays no importance in the relationship besides the introduction, furthering that the fantasy is not about saving the girl.
>>288783875I don't think dismissing the introduction for no reason is going to help you win the argument. The real reason it's irrelevant is because there's no difference in the outcomes between following master's orders because you have to versus following master's orders because you love him, yet this progression/juxtaposition is the entire fantasy and furthers the opposite claim.
>>288783762my gut instinct is that 95% of these guys create something with no ending in mind so when they get popular, it flounders for years until either they stop creating new material or people give up on itit's like their work only exists to get as much money as possible until it gets abandoned, and both the consumers and creators are ok with it
>>288783875>the fantasy is a girl likes mc>but I hate heterosexuals and this is bad
>>288783940There is no difference in the outcomes because these types of stories wouldn't dare to imply some kind of punishment for the girl if they don't obey the protagonist. The fantasy is not about owning slaves, but having a girlfriend you can just buy. Slavery is irrelevant, so it's saving the girl from it.
>>288784035No it's because it would be a shit fantasy if she didn't love you, retard. If you're just going to repeatedly trivialize the savior fantasy as "buying a girlfriend at the girlfriend store" I'm fine with letting that speak for itself, but I think you must have meant to say "not saving" otherwise your last point doesn't make sense.
>>288784161> It's because it would be a shit fantasy if she didn't love you, retard.It would be another type of fantasy, where the slavery aspect would matter, but it doesn't; it's always some watered-down version of it, where the protagonist morally can engage with it, and the girl is always willing to serve, so forcing her is never shown.This is why "saving" the girl is not the focus of the fantasy.
>>288784334Except it does matter because she's introduced as a slave which is the thing you hilariously tried to ignore for no reason. Introducing her as someone who needs saving is exactly what makes saving the girl the focus of the story and therefore a savior fantasy, which you admit when you say it would be a different type of fantasy if it didn't involve love, which seems inadvertent, but your position isn't even clear anymore>the protagonist isn't engaging with slavery, she's willing, he's not forcing, therefore he's not saving her from being forced into slaveryThis is just a straight up contradiction
>>288780931 even in your fantasies nobody finds you hot enough to want to fuck you. can't relate
>>288783764My understanding is the WN has a proper ending but the author wanted to change the ending for the LN and it's been on hiatus for years. But yeah at the point you dropped it the story loses direction hard and goes nowhere for multiple volumes.
>>288781241Literally stopped watching this show after season 2 because I felt like he was not gonna fuck the raccoon girl and I felt like they were dragging shit out. Like why give it harem energy and then make him act like a volcel??
>>288784574Because they can introduce her as a slave, but that aspect will never play a role besides the chapters to justify her following the protagonist. The girl will never disobey or try to escape, so the "nice guy" has to punish her and remind the reader how evil is having a slave. This is why the girl always falls in love with the protagonist so easily, because he needs to stay likable, and the real aspect of their relationship is never brought up. So you can call it "slavery," but this type of story really tries to slip past any implication of it.
>>288784798Nigger am I even speak to the same guy? You were the one calling it slavery. At-least you were up until this point >>288783737 but it now appears you have completely reversed your position saying that she technically never was a slave because muh nice guys finish last or because of some faggy meta-analysis of the genre. Obviously it's not some edgelord slave rape fantasy, but it's still a savior fantasy, which wouldn't involve saving a girl from yourself, that's retarded.
>>288784997It's slavery in name, not how the narrative frames it. It's not really hard to understand.
>>288785058>It's slavery in name, not how the narrative frames it.Nigga you wrote the post
>>288785094I never changed the point; it's just a fantasy of getting a girlfriend easily disguised as slavery, but without the baggage.
>>288785155Genjutsu of that level doesn't work on me. Across 5 different posts you spoke about being a customer of slavers, stockholm syndrome, freeing, raping property, buying and keeping a slave, and now you're saying it's giving slavery "the slip" - no shit dumbass, because she's been saved from it, hence savior.
>>288780931>man enslaves and rapes girls>hmmm why might people hate him?
>>288785534malty...
>>288785482From the first post, I said these types of stories were not about the slavery aspect, but about having a girlfriend despite calling them slaves. But this is too tiresome already, so have it your way, champ.
Honestly, the anime series just had the unfortunate timing of being aired during the whole metoo thingy on social media, so everybody was just focusing on the protag being accused by a femmoid, but this series showing clearly that the bitch is really just a shitty bitch.
>>288785704And yet by the second post you had already appealed to slave ownership to try and defeat the notion of it being a savior fantasy, which locked you into that chain of logic for several more posts before realizing you completely fucked up. This is the problem with disingenuous reframing/intentionally using ambiguous terms/general dishonesty, trying to remain coherent becomes labyrinthian.
>>288785861I brought slave ownership to critique its lack of weight inside the narrative of this type of story. My point was that if it had any narrative relevance, saving the girl from it would work as a "savior fantasy". But as I said, slavery is irrelevant, morally and narratively; most girls don't even bother escaping from it.
>>288786094Welcome back champ. Sorry, but that's bullshit. Your initial point was:1. Being a customer of slavers isn't rescuing slaves2. Stockholm syndrome isn't being saved3. She must be freed to be saved4. It's not saviorism if she's property5. Buying and keeping her as a slave doesn't count as saving herThis is, in absolutely zero noncertain terms, a simple english argument that it can't be a savior fantasy because she is a slave. There is literally no other way to interpret this at all, so it's pointless quadrupling down on this lie in an attempt to save face. I'd even rebuked you here >>288783775 because I wasn't sure why you were backing over your own initial position to make this point.The second point about narrative relevance is just a very uncompelling rhetorical trick because you think I'm too stupid to realize that you're trying to put the cart before the horse and say because she doesn't need to be saved from the savior that there's no savior fantasy, which is retarded. Like I said, obviously the fantasy is not rescuing a girl from yourself, you're rescuing her by buying her as a slave but not treating her like one as opposed to what would normally happen which is buying her as a slave and then treating her like one. The fact that the protagonist doesn't treat her like a slave is therefore literally the point, and we wouldn't even be having this conversation if you had stayed coherent instead of trying to immediately contradict me with something you didn't actually believe because you are trying to conceal your true contention which likely in relates to "modern dating" rituals in some way.
>>288786237the fuck are you on about? I stand by those five points if you take slavery as it is in a meta way of analyzing the tropes of isekai. But as I said, these stories don't dwell on any negative implications of the protagonist's actions. >you're rescuing her by buying her as a slave but not treating her like one as opposed to what would normally happen, which is buying her as a slave and then treating her like one.None is forcing these protagonists to keep the slave; in the narrative, they are doing it because they want a slave. There is nothing noble about it; she is not getting saved by being a "nice guy" while still being in bondage, regardless of whether she likes it. Calling it a "savior fantasy" is just engaging with the mental gymnastics these mangakas do to not frame their protagonists as sex traffickers.
>>288786453The fact that the mangaka isn’t framing them as a sex trafficker is what makes it a savior fantasy dumbass. Seriously, where am I losing you here? Who the fuck fantasizes about being a sex trafficker and on what planet is that a savior fantasy?Let me make this as simple as possible. You’re buying a slave from the slave market, right, or as you put it, buying her at the girlfriend store. In a sense, a slave can be legally tortured and raped and forced into labor because they are property. By taking her off the market, and not doing those things, you are preventing those things from happening to her. In other words, you have saved her from those things. This is plain and simple the act of a savior. The fantasy part comes in when imagining that she repays you with love. Savior fantasy. Where does slave treatment fit into this?
Naofumi is too much of a pussy to fuck his slaves.
>>288786525Anon, if you are buying a slavegirl to keep her, you are not "saving her". This is why mangakas don't explore this aspect further, because it doesn't work as a "savior fantasy", this is why they need the girl to fall in love with the protagonist almost immediately, so the "girlfriend fantasy" overrides any negative implication of their relationship. It's not fucking hard to understand.
>>288786603What would exploring that actually look like retard? Protagonist buys a slave, she says kthnxbai and the protagonist never interacts with her again? Nice story bro, very entertaining.Sorry, but there’s no way to make this argument work. You can’t simultaneous bitch about how the MC does nothing evil but he’s not a savior either because he’s doing something evil.
>>288780931>rapewtf naofumi is based now?
>>288786665> Keep making arguments I didn't makestop wasting my time
>>288786603>negative implicationthis is the negative implication btw teehee ;) >>288783998
>>288786748>>288786725
>>288781241Wasting time on s4 of shield hero is hardcore unemployed behavior. That shit lost its hook several episodes into the 1st season.
i watched every episode just in case there was a nugget or two of raph x nao in there… I’ll take anything
>>288786844I'm sure they fuck in the source. I've heard he fucks and impregnates the twintail princess so I doubt he doesn't fuck the coon too.
Shotacucks really are desperate to use other isekais for their own projections
>>288780931>Because they can’t enslave and rape girls in the real world. Since doing those things to girls would get them arrested.speak for yourselfand i dont even mean the richfags with islandsjust live in a 3rd world shithole like north africa and the middle east
>>288780931the show quickly cucked out by making raftalia a hag a few episodes in.they didn't need t ruin the story by aging her up quickly, she was perfectly fine as a kid, and would've made naofumi's character as a protector more believable.they didn't even bother slowly aging her up, after a time skip or anything.anime has been pozzed since 2016, and gotten worse with time.after she was made grown up, it just ruined the believability of the rest of the story, because older females are cunts, traitors, and no one wants to protect them.1/10 would only watch shield hero up till the episode where they nerfed raftalia.
>>288787842i am surprised by how rushed the beginning was. i wonder what made him fast forward to his empire building endgame so quickly
>>288787842Her adult design is also significantly blander
>>288782057Isn't she like 8?
>>288780931Why did people even hate the slavery? Oh the character that was betrayed by the entire kingdom is amoral? His only friend is a fat dude that sells slaves? You don't say.
>>288788025They don't hate the slavery. It's just another attack vector to shit on the protagonist, who was falsely accused by the immoral shitbitch, but because of the meetoo-shit, having a woman be shown to be lying when yelling about rape was a cardinal sin.
>>288780931This is also why girls love him
>>288786768Thats true but S2 and S3 had still something to tell (whether or not it was good). S4 is literally past that point and they're desperately trying to keep it a thing>>288784727I watched a couple episodes of S4 and I don't think they're even fucking yet. They're more than friends but not in a relationship. You made the right call
>>288788047I wonder what those "people" thought when Malty turned out to be evil to suicidal levels beyond fake rape accusations. Would have been hilarious if the anime had pulled the cruel ojisan rape.
>>288787842The LN author likes fat girls
I liked the latter half of season 4
Reading the Shield Hero LN makes me think that literally anyone with 0 experience could just start writing some shit and make a 5 season hit anime
>>288790380but are you reading it translated or raw?
>>288780931>nooo he's a slaver and a rapist!>literally tells raphtalia to do whatever, and cockblocks her thirsty attempts every single fucking timedid we read the same manga? or are you a retarded thirdie baiter, you retarded thirdie baiter?nigger
>>288790484This thread has likely been made like 15 times. It’s zoomer trolling, which is really just spam. Trolls aren’t smart enough to actually win arguments anymore, and zoomers have no shame or dignity, so they get replies by just losing the same argument everyday, so to that end you can just tell obvious lies in broad daylight.
>>288790380Why do people read LN's?..
>>288792264because all the good stuff happens at the start and the end of the story but the anime has to spend centuries getting through the middle parts
>>288790380Friendly reminder that SAO just started as a fanfic of a horny teenager.
>>288780931built for coon pussy
>>288780931Keep it around and he will smell it, like urine.
>literally pisses all over her future husband to claim him in the first volumeNobody did it quite like raphtalia…
>>288787986No? LN says she was 17 during the duel
