>>288824562
More like
>Humans aren't level-capped like you

>>288824562
BRAVO TOGASHI

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>>288824562
Based. Humans rule, ants suck dick like the faggot pussies that they are

>>288824562
Fuck off 'remy

>>288824562
isn't that like literally the moral of all of hunter x hunter? There's constant monsters everywhere, but it's only humans who have the capability to grow endlessly, and that growth can be good or more often lead to corruption and evil.

>>288824562
I always read this scene as humans being devious and crafty rather than humans bad. Ants were a threat to humanity and hunters responded to it, there's nothing especially monster-like about that.

>>288824786
you skip the part where meruem had initially decided to not fight because he found love and realized how foolish destroying humanity would be and then netarou decided to fight him to the death anyway?

>>288824786
Exactly, the scene shows that humans had the capacity to wipe the floor with the ants the entire time. Meruem is only a few weeks old, he couldn't fathom the concept of humans developing a power beyond physical strength.
>>288824806
He realized that there were things that humans could excel at beyond the capabilities of ants, like Komugi and her strategy prowess. He admired that, and wanted to keep the special humans around. He still fully intended on keeping humanity as livestock.

>>288824806
His first change of heart was not at all that. He wanted to create nature reserves for humans and treat them as glorified cattle, only eating as much as he believed necessary.

It was still an outcome humans could never accept. The point was that humans were capable of a violence that went far beyond evolution, and that Netero was willing to ignore the fact that Mereum had demonstrably changed, and may change for the better in the future. But the plan he laid out was obviously not acceptable

>>288824856
tbf humans couldn't 'wipe the floor', they just had an entire preexisting civilization and willingness to develop instruments that were more evil. If Mereum was given time, he might develop nukes too. He was far more intelligent and may well have realized the need for tools if he was ever faced with something he perceived as a threat

>>288824562
I still adore the fact that literally just a few tiny ants from the dark continent, nothing but a pest a few millimeters in size that's probably common there, lead to an apocalyptic level threat. The World building of HxH is second to none imo. It's sad that we may never live to see the horrors of the dark continent directly.

>>288824562
I mean, yeah. The world and the universe would be better off without humans.

>>288824562
>humans overcoming a monstrous threat, setting aside their squabbles and using their technology against a common enemy for once instead of each other is malicious, bottomless even
>they should just lay down and get eaten or become their pets, literally cattle for the elites
>humanity bad
What did Togashi mean by this?

O

>>288824914
MY

>>288824562
>Humans are the real monster
Cringe, overdone, misanthropic.
>Humans are the real monster and that's a good thing
Based, unique, inspiring

>>288824907
It's more meant to show the lengths and depravity that humanity will go to never even cede total supremacy. That while the monsters grew ever more human and learned the value of life and people more and more with time, humanity grew more desperate to eliminate them out of fear.

>>288824900
Literally just Togashi introducing Saiyans into his setting but instead of aliens he uses Agartha-tier bullshit. Can't wait for his Frieza. He already stole Cell from a superior mangaka too.

>>288824974
I know very little about saiyans but do they devourer people alive to gain their knowledge and endlessly evolve at a super human rate from literal bugs to world ending calamities?

>>288824922
Misanthropy is the most based thing in existence

>>288824894
>tbf humans couldn't 'wipe the floor', they just had an entire preexisting civilization
...that they used to wipe the floor with the ants. Humans wanted to minimize casualties by using the Hunter association, the ants were never actually a civilization-level threat. Meruem and the ants in general were arrogant and thought they were beyond humans because they spawned in what amounted to drug-cartel territory. They had no concept of humanity's military power. Considering the ants were territorial and back-stabbing as fuck, there's no reason to assume they would've been able to cooperate to create weapons the way humans could.

>>288824562
Are you the other poster from the saged thread? It's not a good idea to treat reading literature so spitefully. Either HxH is good or it isn't, whining about pretension is usually a sign of frustration from the reader's part. This isn't because pretension doesn't exist but because you need to know exactly what it is pretending to be first and what it means tl fail.

>>288824786
Togashi is using the Ants as a springboard for a critique of humanity in general. So, on the one hand, that section is effectively a montage of the "evils" of mankind.

But he does compare humans to ants. So what does "ant" mean? There are two possible answers I can think of, and only one is correct. The incorrect one, that Ant literally refers to the species, is disproven by Togashi when the nest disbands once the Queen gains a fatal injury. So the image of a hivemind of loyal bugmen is dismantled and it becomes obvious that, like humans, they were only there because of the structural advantages it offered them. The more violent ants act essentially like rogue human nen users with the tiny caveat that they eat human flesh (I fail to see a significant difference between this and Hisoka or Binolt, though). The less violent either dawdle around the nest or fuck off elsewhere (we have to forgive Togashi's notion of violence as an individual quirk). Anyway the ants can't be being compared to humans in terms of a difference in genetic behavioral disposition since they are practically identical there.

Literally the only thing left that he could be talking about is the social structure in which humans find themselves. In this sense, the earlier ant colony is just a grotesque slur on the primitive oriental horde which Togashi is unable to commit to. The stray ants are structurally incapable of the level of destruction humans are, and Meruem and his guards may have genuinely been better for most of mankind (the King's change of heart means he might've spared a lot of people).

>>288824974
Closest you'll get is the Gourmet World.

>>288824806
The ants already overthrew a kingdom and killed thousands and thousands of men, women, and children.

There's no take-backsies at that point, oh you had a change of heart this morning? "Cool, cool, we'll just leave you alone then, carry on. Don't go changing your mind back again, now! No funny business, ah-hah-ha!"

What the fuck is wrong with your broken fucking brain that you need this explained to you?

>>288825005
No, of course not, this nigger is just autistically screeching because he can't process the information that art builds upon and borrows from what came before.

>>288825193
That's an interesting POV about the social structure of ants relating to humanity. While the NGL was the ideal place for them, eating all the criminals associated with Gyro probably strengthened their more individualistic, and devious traits. And the main way it undid them is how this manifests unto Meruem, since he completely messed up the social structure by nearly leaving his twin sister (the future queen) and the queen for dead. So they were doomed just from eating the wrong people.

>>288825693
Besides that, Meruem already had a hard time keeping his subordinates under control, making the ants unpredictable. The humans already knew about chimera ant behavior, and I think Knov even alluded to the idea that the ants would turn to raping people in order to reproduce and rebuild/establish a social structure.

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>>288824562
>Look for depth in HxH
What a compelling argument. Its like you completely missed the point of the ant arc entirely.

>>288824856
Meruem was only a few weeks old and already unbeatable except by extreme autism and nukes.
Total extermination was basically the only option, or would you like to be ruled by basically a demigod that might decide that you're his next snack?

>>288825193
>So the image of a hivemind of loyal bugmen is dismantled and it becomes obvious that, like humans, they were only there because of the structural advantages it offered them.
Ants, bees etc split colonies irl, retardbro. Togashi literally spells it out that all ants that used humans as a basis struggle between their ant and human conditions, even Meruem. Some ant concluded that using humans was a mistake because their individualism clashed actively with the ant collective nature.

>>288824762
Well, no, Chimera ants had the capacity to grow just as much as humans, if not more.
The difference is that humans had a head start on the tech tree and the malevolence to develop weapons of mass destruction.

>>288826695
Ants split up but never becone lone foragers.

>>288824806
He was never going to destroy humanity (he only came to that conclusion after being nuked).
He was going to keep humans like cattle, as a source of constant food for the ants.
The only change in this plan that Komugi had inspired was that he would select exceptional humans out and keep them alive, probably in like a zoo or a research institute.

>>288824562
I already knew that.
This site existing is all the proof you need.

>>288824562
No, they're not monsters, they're just more powerful than a cocky ant

>>288826826
Ants only grew at that rate because they consumed humans

>>288824562
garbage subversion of expectation. togashi always infodumps with overly stupid and complicated rules, only to throw them out of the window with an asspull. and this time it was a freaking bomb lmao