Why did Yu-Gi-Oh! die? It was supposed to be the Pokemon killer
>>288846242this shit was never big
>>288846344new Love Live looks good
>>288846305Dumbass, Yugioh was extremely popular in its heyday.
>>288846452I'll ask my grandpa about it, maybe he remembers it
>>2888462424kids dropped the ball on localization of GX and it continued to dwindle interest. But the bigger issue was the lack of long term game balance. The cards sell the anime as much as the anime sells the cards.
Yugioh is the sole surviving card game actually aimed at players. MTG is fortnite slop that will fold up as soon as the novelty wears off and Pokemon is only for collectoids.
>>288846366>>288846408>>288847495>>288846344they deserve their own show instead of being stuck in a dead franchise
>>288846305You have to be 18 to post here
>>288846242I blame yugitubers and the abridged series for giving the whole franchise a bad rep>WHAT DOES POT OF GREED DO!?>UHHH THEY SHOULD TOTALLY DUB SEASON 4>UHM YEAH BRO JUST WATCH THE GARBAGE CENSORED VERSION BECAUSE IT HAS THIS ONE SPECIFIC CHARACTER VOICED BY THIS ONE DUDE WHO DID THE VOICE OF THIS CARTOON NETWORK BACKGROUND CHARACTERIt is all so tiresome and I'm glad every yugitubers' future is nothing but either be sarcastic retards or whoring their channels out for guests videos
Yusei should have banged Sherry
Isn’t it because people grew up and stopped buying cards?
>>288846242It had one single story made by a great mangaka and it was a one and done deal. Konami milked the card game, but that was never going to be Pokemon.
>>288852313they tried to be the next Pokemon; it was a multimedia franchise; they just failed at it hard and had no idea how to capitalize on the success of the original, or heck, the 4 attempts after so it slowly died off
>>288848123Yugitubers and Abridged were only really following in the footsteps that 4kids set out for them. The dub was the root cause.
>>288848123what a retarded post
>>288853940Konami did. Takahashi didn't. He wrote ONE story with a start and an end.
>>288856163Who's the cutie?
>>288846242It's not dead? It's still going strongly while all its competitors are slowly killing themselves
>>288858515YuGiOh killed itself with Go Rush. Nobody cares for the manga, and the TCG is worthless.
>>288858598>killed itself with a spinoff nobody plays that isn't even available outside japanwho cares nigga
>>288858598>Nobody cares for the mangaOnly actual ensouled people care for the manga. Golems can deal with the cards or the shitty anime
>>288858703Konami did as they had zero faith in it ever being popular in the West so they didn't even bother. It was a Japanese only cringefest. Also the dub for Go Rush seems to have been canceled.
>>288846242>It was supposed to be the Pokemon killerIn what way? They're completely different genres.
>>288846344Cute and sex.Too bad Potterie didn't get any lines.
>>288854173Characters being "banished to the shadow realm" being an entirely dub invention felt crazy to me as a dumb kid at the time
>>288852313I fucking love Yugi so much bros
it is so over
>>288864548Verre is verre-y cute
>>288846242Its literally the biggest TCG out there. Its not dead. And I say this as a Cardfight VanGOD absoljtely pissed such an unfun TCG blew up like it has
>>288867348i know nothing about cardfight vanguard but i want this card
>>288858703>>killed itself with a spinoff nobody plays that isn't even available outside japanYes, nigga, that's the point. Yugioh killed itself by replacing itself with a spinoff that nobody plays, that isn't even available outside of Japan. If they don't have an anime, they can't get new players.
>>288865249this girl is abnormally cute
>>288867984She's a brat. Don't give her the satisfaction of complimenting her.
>>288846242This is a board about anime, not millennial slop
Does anyone know where Takahashi’s explanation about how Kaiba cheated against Gozaburo came from?
>>288869846Volume 12 Bunkoban, it seems
>>288846242Because they kept complicating a simple card game into this one turn spamming unplayable mess
>>288867821How can it be replaced if nobody plays the replacement? The main game is still more popular.
>>288865309I love Gandora being Yugi's ace
>>288870790it is insane how much more fun the original manga is compared to whatever we have going on now in the real TCGHeck, the anime made out the game be much more fun than it actually is because it had no power creep.
>>288871615The anime was a bad adaptation tho but still had good scenes
>>288871629yeah them removing Bakura and Yugi scenes in favor for more Kaiba wank was weird
>>288871615>because it had no power creepFuck does that even mean? There's no such thing as a card game without power creep its a fundamental part of the medium
>>288871657The anime really feels like people playing toys while the manga feels more like wizards throwing shit at each other
>>288871657it's crazy how much bakura gets written out of the show and it makes yugi and the gang look like such shitty friends. maybe rica matsumoto was too busy with pokemon to come in and record unless it was absolutely plot critical?
>>288870777sex
>>288874215He gets knocked out a few times in the manga too. Or rather dude just kind of disappears
bros... YuGiOh is OLD now, kids today haven nostalgia towards it.
>>288875027*no
TGS is still going very strong, but the game has become too complicated to handle. Rush duels were meant to water things down for younger audiences.Problem is that there’s no new anime to promote new cards or summoning methods. Takahashi’s death has also affected things since he was still somewhat involved with the anime adaptations. He’s the reason why we got Rush duels in the first place.
>>288876402bro tried to kill the game himself after seeing what a clusterfuck it has become
>>288846242why do people keep comparing ygo to pokemon how are they even similar beyond having been popular with kids at the same time??
>>288852313>>288865309pretty much this, the original yu-gi-oh is complete and everything since has just been a spin-off or adaptation. the people that care about yu-gi-oh as a manga and story and the ones that only give a shit about the multimedia franchise that provides an endless flow of content tend to be in different camps but i guess someone coming from pokemon couldnt understand the idea of letting good things end.
>>288876596Because both are basically cult products where prices are scalped, attracting scummy people and the enjoyment of the main product is highly contested with people largely thinking it is far lower quality than the revenue it brings in.
>>288874215this is the consequence of the duel monsters anime gutting monster world and all arcs before duelist kingdom which makes bakura look like a two-bit character instead of a proper part of the main cast
>>288876780>the enjoyment of the main product is highly contestedYou haven't read the manga.
>>288876866The manga hasnt been considered the main product anymore for a long time, its the trading card game. That is the face of Yugioh.
Best Girl
>>288876596The way yugioh got to the west made it seem like it was made to be a pokemon competitor.Similar, to a degree, to what happened to Digimon.
>>288877061Nugioh waifus blow your uncshit out the water
>>288877254>>288876962people that only play the tcg are secondaries, yugioh will always be a manga first
>>288860301There was a Yugituber who had an interview with an ex-KoA employee who spoke about why Rush Duel wasn't released in the West.The story more or less is that they had to choose between supporting Speed Duel or Rush Duel since they have a similar target audience of more casual players, and they didn't want to cause brand confusion due to the similar names.The KoA employee basically said that he convinced the business to maintain Speed Duel largely out of his own personal preference for the product line.Of course there is doubt that Rush would even succeed in the West had it received a proper release because a lot of the West are genwun boomers who have a visceral reaction to Rush for being different even though it's exactly the type of game they talk about wanting.
>>288878286>his own personal preferenceWas this Jerome by any chance? I'll never understand why this fucking retard is given veto power over every decision that happens in the west.
>>288877325Hyped for her anime in August!
>>288846242Are you talking about Shueisha not signing off on new yugioh anime or just being a retarded baiter?
>>288876717who cares? yugioh's main inspirations were the three eyed one by tezuka, devilman by nagai, and jojo's bizzare adventure by araki. none of those creators stopped putting out new work. Tezuka kept drawing manga and green lighting anime until he passed and his estate continued to sign off on new works. Takahashi pretty much acted the same way too.>>288876402Yeah and don't forget the major producer for rush anime, iyoku, left (right about the time takahashi passed) to try to push more dragon ball anime out consistently. (which basically failed because toriyama passed)
Unpopular opinion, maybe, but the series progressively lost its soul with each new instalment.GX was fine, but it was already moving in a bad direction with its plot and characterisation.The franchise was at its best when it was young adults/ teens playing magic death games with ancient Egyptian theming.
>>288877325Then there's this slop.Utterly soulless.
>>288877661Based
GANDORA
>>288846242The card game is a hot mess and the anime reached peak retardation with>CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLESThats why I dropped after 5Ds, because I knew nothing could top it. It was a fun ride though, good times.
>>288846242The anime died because the game became pants on head retarded.can't make a good anime about setting up a full field of omni negates with 4 hand traps on turn 1.
>>288867718Pedo, rope, yadda yadda yadda
>>288846242Why didn't they make any Black Bull/Hot Wife cards instead of 420 and ayylmao?
>>288876866>guy who commits genocide gets to go to egyptian heaven>everyone who prospered and gained power from that genocide gets to go to egyptian heaven>sole child survivor of the genocide has his soul manipulated into serving and then is eaten by an evil god summoned by said genocidewhat did kazuki takahashi mean by this?
>>288883090Go read an Egyptian mythology book about the Book of the Dead and the Scale of Souls
>>288871413yugis entire deck is kino.
>>288881792>>CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES5Ds was kino
>>288881375Red silents go hard.
>>288878286And then Speed Duel died like a dog while Rush duel thrives on Asia, they picked wrong option.
>>288878286>>288883592Rush 100% would have failed in the west. It's an entire separate card game, and you'd need a monster, lightning in a bottle promotion to get kids interested. Kids aren't interested in ANY card game in the west. Pokemon thrives off of investors. It's basically crypto for even bigger losers.
Would having a non faggot looking mc have saved zexal?
>>288846242>Anon is speaking retardese
>>2888808275D’s was based, but you can tell takahashi didn’t put his soul in zexal and then konami decided to go full retard in the installments after that even after he said he doesn’t want more ygo mcs after the first 3 were made.
>>288862112Drunk lolibaba.
>>288854340>>288854173The faggot Littlekuriboh and his abridged series has done more incalculable damage to anime in general then 4kids ever did. No wonder GX fans and dubfags gravitate to his shit. Shit attracts shit.
>>288846344This anime, and all of that "Chronicles" stuff is very low quality.
>>288883677>Kids aren't interested in ANY card game in the west. You sure about that? My nephews and nieces sure seem to like colleting Pokemon cards. Don't know if any kids care about the other card games like Lorcana or Yugioh.
For me, it's Hundred Eyes Dragon
Yu-Gi-Oh requires the highest IQ to play out of all other card games and filters brainlets.
>>288884062I think there should have been 15 Numbers instead of 100.
>>288877325Maybe it's far-fetched but I think I know at least one inspiration for her.
>>288846242Time skips. Pokemon held on to ash for decades after his story was finished, which made it easier to keep marketing. Just look at how the new series is going without him.Yugioh kind of tried the jojo thing, but not really. As none of the new characters are yugis offspring or even related to him in any meaningful way.
>>288885672Bonds Beyond Time tried to do something... but yeah
>>288876717>i guess someone coming from pokemon couldnt understand the idea of letting good things end.I'mma be honest with you, anon. If I were part of the Pokémon machine and were benefitting from the downright psychotic amount of money that it makes: I wouldn't let it end either.
>>288885077LOL LMAO actually, Pokemon is more complex than it, YuGiOh is just surface lv complexity that evaporates when you learn how it actually plays in the year 2026.
>>288886353aka >set up a board of omni negates on turn one that prevent my opponent from playing the gameso complex
honestly Yu-Gi-Oh TCG is ASS they should reboot the game
>>288886353>>288886374Yeah that's definitely what brainlets tell themselves so they can have an excuse to avoid ever trying to "learn how it actually plays".
>>288886430Rebooting the game won't change anything, because the game from the manga was built on a lack of resource management.
>>288884105>but you can tell takahashi didn’t put his soul in zexalTakashi only wrote the original manga, he didn't work on anything beyond that besides plot concepts for GX and the Dark Signers arc of 5Ds as well as character designs for every series up to Zexal.
>>288877325She's amazing but i prefer diabellze from a design standpoint.>>288886430Vanguard rebooted itself twice and it fell off hard, like it went to be hyped as "the yugioh killer" to be out of the chart of most sold TCGs in Japan in several months, whereas regular yu-gi-oh is still on really good spots consistently, rush duels are on those charts too.
>>288883475Retarded kino, the best kind of kino.
>>288886698Yugitard unaware of the cost sunk fallacy.
>>288877325MOVE OVER WHORE, FULL STEAM AHEAD.
>>288887755Full retard unaware of how to properly say sunk cost fallacy.
>>288880700Does it matter that some authors who Takahashi took some inspirations from kept drawing more shit? Takahashi wrote his own story with a beginning and an ending instead of pointless milking and that's a good thing
>>288884062Zexal had an amazing cast of characters that lost their screentime to ugly freaks like the MC and his goblin friends. Should’ve just gone the 5ds route
>>288888221>Should’ve just gone the 5ds routewhat do you mean by that5ds dedicated half of its runtime to characters like crow and bruno
>>288888098he signed off on all the sequels when he was alive, he clearly wanted them or was okay with the franchise producing more.
>>288888276Sequels unrelated to his characters and even to an extent to his universe since the anime timeline is very different. The one sequel he actually was involved in was DSOD and it takes after the manga timeline while discarding most of the anime one
>>288888298Also it's still one single story (the Egyptians/Yugi stuff), the anime sequels are very disconnected from that
>>288888235Yeah they did but are they hideous as fuck? And the 5ds route is removing the useless friend side cast that takes away fanservice and screentime away from the actually popular characters people are tuning in to see
>>288888298In your opinion. I think arc-v kind of shit all over that to be honest.
>>288888378What about it is my opinion? Is it not true that the Yugi/Atem/Kaiba/Jonouchi story has a clear cut end and no real sequels after DSOD? Am I wrong when I say the anime is different from the manga?
>>288846242>Yu-gi-oh>No Yugi after the first partThat's the actual reason. Most millenials do not give a fuck about GX, Zexal, 5Ds etc. You might like them, majority of the people who grew up with this dont.
>>288888404You're assuming different worlds and characters are intrinsically unrelated to the original. But what if they're like reincarnations or alternate versions of the same timeline? There's real no answer to it. It's actually just an open question. And if you only care about the original, why would you even complain about the sequels. It's not like planned write DM forever. There was plenty of time for him to write a more direct sequel, he only opted for an epilogue to DM and new spinoff series instead
>>288888496I'm not complaining about sequels, I'm just saying as part of artistic expression and works they're basically unrelated to the Takahashi manga, unlike something like DSOD which you can see he's involved in. I'm just saying these are two different things, the Takahashi works and the anime stuff.
>>288846242Yu-Gi-Oh, Medabots and Digimon did kill Pokemon for me. I just can't stand the actual Pokemon and the story is just too simplistic for my tastes.
>>288888518Takahashi contributed actively to gx and 5d's, and less to zexal. Character designs and storylines. It took him years to successfully pitch yugioh vs gx (which turned into part of gx season 2). And get bonds beyond time. He just stepped back over time to enjoy other things in life. And once again he was signing off on all the new spinoffs and suggesting things for the card game.
>>288886353Whenever experienced Pokémon or Magic players enter YGO the first thing they say is how complex the game is.
>>288888580Character designs and signing off on things is very different though, wouldn't you call Toei's Dragon Ball Super a different beast from Toriyama's Dragon Ball (manga)?
>>288846242it was based on serialized WSJ manga. Those end. Don't compare GX to Pokemon Advanced generation. Compare it to Dragon Ball GT.
>>288867348I thought magic and pokemon were bigger? at least by sales I think pokemon is way bigger though those are mostly normaltards who'll never play a game buying into a bubble
>>288881792If you think Yugioh stopped being peak retardkino after 5Ds then you're missing out big time
>>288887478>VanguardVanguard? Is that the game that's better than YGO?(Yes it is that game!)Oh man I love Vanguard! I left Yugioh for it!(Me too its a much better game!)Why don't you leave Yugi and come play Vanguard? We have lots of players here!(Yeah, come with us!)
>>288888617I don't know if that's as good of a comparison, but toriyama was technically overseeing it and writing the basic outline of the story. It took years and years of executive pressure and a series of unfortunate events (DB evolution) to get toriyama back to writing and clearing dragon ball spinoffs. i think takahashi really would have been more in line with tezuka or nagai or araki or maybe hara/buronson. All of them are pretty chill about making new works out of old franchises.
>>288888331right, I DEFINITELY tuned in to watch my hero, CROW, and BUY BLACKWINGS
>>288889196Aki’s VA was pregnant during that time but what was Zexal’s excuse for shoving a fat fuck and a gremlin in your face?
>>288888454Yugi was in GX so it gets a pass
>>288888649Arc-V was too retarded it became cringe and gay
The thread is ignoring the fact that even DM at height of popularity appealed to mostly boys and not so much to girls. Pokemon cashed in on the fact that girls and women really like pocket monsters too, and they are shorter term thinkers when it comes to spending to an irresponsible level on toys and merchandise of all kinds
>>288890094YuGiOh has always treated its women like absolute shit too
>>288886353oh yes pokemon is so complex that the community needs to create unofficial formats separated by tiers of different powerlevels so the few top tiers dont flatten and crush the depth out of entire game, card games have that shit too fag
>>288890612One of my hesitation about the re-do of the anime is that it did, to an extent treat characters like Mai and Ishtar a little better.I really like some of the smaller changes that the anime made and kinda wish they would combine the two moreso. Like Pandora/Arkana's story could be completely combined. I like the mother / suicide side of the manga but having him losing his assistant in an accident and funking everything up was a nice expansion. I'd like both to be reconciled. I know it won't, but I kinda like Peggy and Keith living a little longer...
>>288846242>no series of good games that then turned into goyslop>trading card game got powercrept to hell and turned into dogshitBasically it was flawed from the start in terms of format and then further degenerated over time.Pokemon visually sucks massive ass, but the games still hold because the powercreep isn't so dominant. Also I'm pretty sure pokemon simply got way better advertising over the years. Yugioh has a lot of waifus, but they never breach into mainstream media. Pokemon gets a new brown girl and all the world knows.
>>288890094A lot of girls did watch yugioh, but it was because they found the boys cute, not because they had interest in the game or the story or because they related to the female characters.
>>288847495I was going crazy for this picture until I realized she has overproportionate male hands. Yikes
>>288890612Death Note treats it's women like shit too, but that didn't stop it from being popular with the girls.
>>288888580I know Takashi went as far as writing some of the storylines for GX and 5Ds but im still of the opinion that his role there was just as one part of the staff instead of being the main creative driving force like in the original manga, its very clear that the anime are just not as tightly written with multiple different writers working across tens of episodes. I also think by that time yu-gi-oh as a franchise had already shifted into primarily appealing to young kids playing the card game instead of the broader audience of young to older teens the manga was aiming for which limited the direction and where they could take the tone and storylines of the series.>>288890702>to an extent treat characters like Mai and Ishtar a little better.No, i fucking hate what the anime did to Mai. Fuck the orichalcos filler arc for rehashing yamis character arc in duelist kingdom for no reason and fuck it for giving mai a neurotic fear of losing when she was the one that taught yami to not be afraid of defeat in duelist kingdom. It completely ruins her redeeming qualities even if she was a jobber in the manga, because now they even had to give her a jobber mentality. Im glad she just shakes off her loss against marik in the manga instead of crying and moaning about it in the anime contrary to her previous characterization
The problem is YuGiOh and Digimon failed because they never had the timeless universal appeal Pokemon creatures do. They had that certain 90s appeal that was popular at that time and nothing else after. .meanwhile Pokemon continues to pump out unique monsters every few years.
>>288846242>Record card sales and tournament goers>DieYou fags make me laugh
>>288891075b-but its not like it was when I was 8 so its dead
>>288891040timeless and universal appeal is an euphemism for generic and inoffensive, its the kind of shit you can easily turn into plushies or put on coffee mugs and bath towels. New Pokemon are designed as mascots and merch fodder first, the monsters in yu-gi-oh were designed within the context of a story to serve an actual purpose; the digimon in digimon adventure are similar and thus lack long term mass appeal too and thats a good thing because that makes them more appealing to people that actually care about the story and characters.
>>288891075This is a problem, the franchise lacks new blood, it is all 20-30 smt men
>>288852313>Konami milked the card game, but that was never going to be Pokemon.Literally no one gives a fuck about pokemon cards bro.
>>288891134Cards no, franchise yes
>>288891116Those are some Pokemon yes but they got cool mons too and silly mons and cute mons etc. Pokemon do not put all their eggs into one basket anon, they aim for everyone
>>2888817925Ds was significantly better than GX. GX fucking sucks
>>288891119>its a problem that the target audience is an extremely dedicated bunch of superfans with limitless disposable incomeYou have a bright future ahead of you as a corporate executive anon
>>288891153I mean that is cool and sustanable for now but in a decade it will be a recipe for disaster, the game itself is too complex and uninteresting for children as well. The best next move is to focus on nostalgia and win new fans this way, remake the original.
I miss the initial /a/rc-V threads so much The show ended up turning to putrid dogshit but I'll always look back on Ruriposting and EGAO with fondness
>>288891177>We should kill our existing fans to maybe get new fans elsewhereAs the other anon said you show great promise in the current absolute clown show that is modern business
>>288891177>The best next move is to focus on nostalgiaWhich they still do constantly. We just got a fucking top tier DMoC/BLS retrain archetype and Yugi is back on the cover art. I don't think they could pander harder if they tried. >remake the original.Fuck off lmao.
I wish that they cared about balance of the card game instead of dishing out endless power creep. I think it would be incredible for the legacy of the game in the long term if old decks weren't completely outclassed by newer ones.
>>288891218>if old decks weren't completely outclassed by newer ones.Toons are the top deck right now
>>288891145im saying that aiming for everyone is a bad thing because it makes the product shallow
>>288891258You say as if it's a bad thing and YuGiOh did not try to be that but failed at it. Remember GX?
>>288848708No, all those people are buying more cards than ever before now that they have jobs.
>>288888607Yu-Gi-Oh is easily the cardgame that requires the highest IQ to play and it's not even a contest. Anyone who disagrees doesn't know what they're talking about. Its complexity is the main thing people complain about.
>>288891177These players aren't going anywhere. They've been playing since they were 8 and they'll still be playing when they're 80 in retirement homes. The same way you see old people playing checkers and chess.
>>288846305okay zoomer
>>288891288yeah gx is mediocre just like pokemon and any other mass appeal multi-media franchise which is why i only hold the original manga in high regard which has actual heart and soul
>>288890702>>288890819sounds like the average shonen.
>>288891181Good times.
>>288891617F L A T
>>288846242may it rest in piss
>its smaller than the largest multimedia franchise on planet earth >why did it die????????do you faggots ever get bored of being massive drama queens over everything?
>>288893459if its alive where is the anime?
>>288893493its mutated into shitty youtube shorts
>>288893508that is just Master Duel promos, a literal commercial for a video game, not the anime
>>288893738>a literal commercial>not the animenigga what do you think the anime was
>>288893767it promoted the TCG by having characters play it in the show, not centered on card lore.
>>288893767summoning mechanics commercial the sole reason they were made was to promote new summonings
>>288893821The TCG itself has shifted towards card lore though alongside itThe characters on the cards are now marketable in their own right rather than just being an accessory to their respective anime characterPretty sure all of this is just because Konami doesn't control the anime so they don't want to be beholden to media that's out of their control.
>>288890612Mai was perfectly fine>b-but she lost-Lots of people did.
>>288891627EXTREMELY based. That's the real answer to all of these numberfags threads. You can be a successful multibillion dollar franchise, one of the biggest in the world, or you can be an artistically interesting work.
>>288891627Somebody never finished GX
>>288895829yugioh is neither btw
>>288896487Weak bait
>>288893493semi-pseudo hiatus due to shueisha not wanting another long form yugioh anime currently.
>>288891522It also helps that sometimes Konami themselves have no idea what their cards do.
>>288891993P E R F E C T
