What he did was objectively justifiable when you consider the situation he was in. It's been decades, why can people not accept it?
>>288881722What did he do?
>>288881789he wanted a big white castle so he sacrificed all his soldiers to satan and raped the black girlfriend of his best friend while he was forced to watch
>>288881789He made the human choice of taking power granted to him when he had none left. his body was beyond repair
How could he hurt her so? His most loyal soldier and defender. All she wanted was his approval, not even romantic. He knew that but didn't give it to her.
I wouldn't have made that choice
>>288882359He's a bit of a dickhead
>>288881722Would have been completely justified until the rape.
>>288881789Sold his ass to the ugly old bastard for some cash. Everything else he did is reasonable.
Did we not read the same manga or did you miss the part where there's some Eldrich god thing saying it manipulated even his lineage to make him reach this point?
>>288882563>Band of loyal warriors who've fought for your ambitions, putting their lives on the line>Throw away your ambitions for a bit of homosexual pique, and rape the Princess>Condemn your men to Hell to restore your chances Nah he was a total cunt.
>>288882754miura scrapped that part of the manga
>>288881722Butt slut
>>288881789Everything wrong
>>288882834>men willing to die for his ambitions>so he sacrifices them for his ambitions whats the problem? they got what they wanted
>>288881722I'd have just killed myself when presented a choice like that, rather than brutally sacrifice my comrades of a lifetime for my personal dream. He did everything wrong, and will cost millions (maybe billions) of lives in time. >>288882563I'm not even going to get into that since Femto is pretty much another entity apart from Griffith, since it was him stripped of his humanity entirely and with added darkness and evil. His choices up to that matter, after, not so much.
>>288885606Anon, you know the reason the idea of evil chapter got stripped is because it made it too overt that the horrible truth of what Griffith did is that it was just him right? There is no mastermind behind the scenes. There is just a big rotting ball made up of people wishing there was a scapegoat, some excuse for why they chose to hurt others for their own benefit, some divine reason behind the suffering, some cosmic reason for them to tell everyone else to get fucked. It doesn't actually DO anything. Griffith is still Griffith. His decisions are his, he continues to do evil because he can't cope with the ramifications of what he's already done, not because he got an injection of evil juice.
>>288881722It's understandable why he made the decision he did but raping Casca was petty and unnecessary
>>288881722This guy is my role model unironically.
Griffith's dick is so good it makes you retarded
>>288885930The IoE literally has Griffith's eyes and yet speedreaders/Griffithfags think Femto and Griffith are somehow two separate people or that Femto is "evil Griffith." Griffith is evil Griffith.
>>288882336dooming all of his followers to eternal damnation? okay, understandable, it was the sacrifice required to fix his body. but there was no reason to rape casca afterwards other than spite.
he wanted to have Guts' babies, he should have just done that instead of making it everyone elses problem.
>>288886147Femto is Griffith without the need to put up an act of others.He can be just himself amongst all the other scum who are his true soulmates.Ironically the Band of the Hawk were too good for him. He would've felt less out of place amongst other self-serving scum
>>288881722The Eclipse wasn't the most evil thing Griffith did. There are higher contenders:>Orders the Count to sacrifice his daughter>Sends souls to Hell while pretending he's sending them to Heaven
What if he didn't infect Gut's baby?
>>288888132He also wants to wipe out all wholesome jolly wizards and witches because they represent a threat to him
>>288881789being a faggotthe rest is understandable
>>288888207I wish there was a guy like that in Witcher series
Why does the Eclipse rape feel incestuous? Is it because it mirrors Gennon selling Guts out and then trying to kill him out of pure hatred? Is it because Griffith practically raised Casca? Is it because the band of the hawk calls themselves a "family"?
>>288889222Is it because Griffith essentially rapes himself into Casca, making her his mother? Is it because Griffith is/was a father figure to all of them? Is it because God was Mary's father and impregnated her at the same time?
>>288889222>>288889240>>288888132>in exchange for his flesh and bloodnice
>>288881722What makes is acceptable is that all the people he sacrificed were ruthless murderers just like he was. They didn't suffer anything during the Eclipse that they hadn't visited upon all their victims in battle and elsewhere. Even before they became mercenaries, most of them were cuthroats and bandits.
>>288881722Oh but i accept and understand it.At the same time i’d accept that guts will probably slice him in Half for it.
>>288889540The hell are saying, anon?!Most of them were mere soldiers and only killed during wars or as way of self defense.To the point the band of the Hawks were so popular to the commoners because they were also better than the average mercenaries (ape-rape apostle as example for that).None of them pillaged or violated people outside from the battlefield, some of them even returned into the band to help while they already retired with their families or after archiving their dream jobs (like the guy who started a family and become a shoemaker)
>>288889644>self defense.Fuck right off with that shit, you don't get to claim self defense in fucking battle as a band of mercenaries, stupidest thing I've ever heard in my life. >They didn't pillage!What do you call what they did to GUTS? Attacking a lone traveler to steal all his money and gear, how many of them were there, what was it 6-to-1? 10-to-1? And then when they couldn't get the job done, first the 2nd in command and then the GENERAL HIMSELF came to assist?What do you call that shit? I call it pillage.
>>288881722He damned a bunch of mostly innocent men to a horrific death at the hands of eldritch demons and subsequently sentenced their souls to literal eternal damnation in Hell. And then he raped the girl of the guy he was deeply in the closet over out of nothing other than spite. He's the lowest of filth.
>>288889671It's shitty but that was Griffith's fault too, he told them to do it. An army is only as good as its leader. And plus, killing your subordinates as a reward for them saving you after a year of being tortured is totally different than robbing some rando
>>288881722Gay sex for money isnt acceptable
What eye color do you imagine her with
>>288886147>speedreadersYou wanna know something ironic anon?I've literally only read the first chapter the IoE chapter, and the horse rape chapter. I am effectively just guessing based on that small amount of context and the multiple quotes from the series that have someone saying something to the effect of "Do as you will." I have no fucking clue if I'm actually right or not.
>>288887768>Femto is Griffith without the need to put up an act of others.Nah. You're right that he's still Griffith but he didn't put up an act beforehand. He lost his humanity by sacrificing the people he cared about. That's literally the point of the eclipse and why he returned to the graves. He became a psychopath.
>>288891020Even prior to that he comes off as a sociopath who doesn't feel any deep attachment towards the Band of the Hawk because, in his mind, they're not chasing a dream like he is, they're just serving him and his goals (no true leader of men would frame it like that).He'd only recognize someone who carves out their own path in opposition to him.He was always predisposed to do exactly what he did and Guts was the only X factor that could've changed his mind, because he does respect Guts as a man who has his own ambition, who might also be a great enemy to him.Griffith doesn't have time for the weak and that's ultimately how he sees the rest of the Hawks, as weak men with weak ambition compared to him and Guts. Casca is also someone he sees as merely his property and servant which is why he doesn't feel the least bit bad about raping her.
>>288891128Between recognizing someone as an equal and not caring for them is quite a lot of space. I mean they are unrelated honestly. A parent doesn't see their child as equal. The manga explicitly spells out that you can't sacrifice what you don't care about. Because the loss of what you care for kills your humanity.
raping casca was ultimate proof that he is fundamentally a petty man that couldnt get over being one-upped by guts, not to mention getting beaten by guts is what caused him to make those stupid mistakes that got him into this mess in the first place. moreso than his ambitions being wrecked he couldnt accept guts or anyone for that matter standing alongside him as an equal (despite his empty platitudes about friendship) because in reality he desires to have everyone underneath him, and he asserts that desire by raping casca.
>>288881722He killed my man Judeau. Forgiveness was never an option.
>>288891020>he lost his humanityIt's the opposite. Griffith whole shtick is being above it all, some sorta angelic being sent to save the world. But femto reveals that he's no unique, instead he's the everyman in the sense of being the deepest evil in the common low man's heart. He raped his friend and sold out his crew for the mere vanity of having wings (to be seen as something more)
>>288891845That doesn't even make sense.
>>288891720poignant post well said anon
>>288881722I think a lot of people could understand, without condoning, Griffith selling out his comrades rather than spending the rest of his life as a quadriplegic, especially when the God Hand mindfuck him into it. It was torturing Guts & Casca afterwards that pushes him over the edge.
>>288891265Just sacrificing Guts alone would've been enough for him because he was putting Guts above his dream.
Isn’t it heavily implied that his new kingdom is just a smokescreen for his true goal of drowning the world in evil with the apostles and Godhand and killing even more unrelated innocent people?
>>288893141He is basically the antichrist I don't think Griffith particularly cares as long as he gets to wear a crown
>>288892901>especially when the God Hand mindfuck him into it.That wasn't mindfucking him. It's a very reasonable argument. Why should you hesitate to sacrifice your men if you had already determined that your dream is worth their sacrifice? Sure, you can bring the counterargument that circumstances and the possibility of survival may make a difference in how you perceive the sacrifical nature but in the end dead is dead either way.
>>288893141I always thought the fact that he's actually saving the world is really interesting. That puts Guts in a really difficult position. He betrayed you, raped your woman, killed your every comrade, but is now the nmessiah who saved way more people than he ever killed, brought the dead back to life and established an almost heaven on earth. That's really cool.
>>288881722>>288882336He threw his dream into the trash to fuck a princess and then he put all the blame on Guts.What an idiot.
>>288893461Just don't fuck the princess, derp.
>>288893461>That wasn't mindfucking himIt literally was. They disguise themselves as people from Griffith's life and goad him into making the sacrifice. They even project an image of Guts encouraging Griffith to see out his dream.
>>288893806Guts is not really the type of guy to care about how many people he saves. Others might
>>288895402The Godhand did not "mindfuck" Griffith by showing him a flashback of Guts asking him that question "this is the path to your dream, right?" To which Griffith already had responded "Yeah, you're right." Years before with Casca he had ALREADY convinced himself that the boy knight's death was in vain unless Griffith became king at all costs (the boy knight resembles the entire band of the hawk).
>>288881722>be griff>have goal>fuck old guy for funding>get group of hardy boys and casca>shit is going good>find especially hardy boy>he draws your eye>you want him (in your group)>you say as much>are you a homo.wav>he ends up joining after you beat him in a duel and becomes your go to guy>you join war that’s been going on for century>do well>fuck up opposition>king likes you>his daughter adores you>king’s brother and queen hate you>have your go to guy deal with brother >he kills his son too>kill queen after>finally crush opposition >you’re going to be made a lord>princess wants marry you>suddenly go to guy says he wants to leave>lol no>have duel>he beats you>oh shit>throw all the effort awayHe is a retard
>>288881722Because he was retarded for getting into that scenario in the first place.>plays politics for years>wins wars galore>has all the status and titles to be the next king>even has the princess wrapped around his finger>all other major claimants dead>just has to sit back, relax and romance the princess and the kingdom is his>one soldier leaves>he fucks everything up.
>>288896833Lmao you just beat me. Well played. (Better than Griffith!)
>>288896833>>288898111He loved Guts like we all do
>>288882608>Sold his ass to the ugly old bastard for some cash.$20 is $20
>>288896706Dude, they were clearly manipulating him into making the sacrifice.
>>288899027They weren't manipulating anything just because of one panel where they're dressed up as an old lady. The scene is metaphorical, mental: Griffith is not actually a child. It's a picture of Griffith's mental landscape. The Godhand didn't manipulate him into anything by reminding him of things he'd ALREADY believed beforehand and flashbacks he'd already experienced. Plus, Griffith didn't even agree to sacrifice them on the basis of anything the Godhand reminded him of (his own pre-existent beliefs). He agreed to sacrifice them because he was angry at Guts for leaving him and making him forget his dream in favor of him.
>>288899135If that was true, they wouldn't need to larp and literally shout directives. They wouldn't need to create illusions and guilt-trip him. Just because they're playing on Griffith's thoughts and flashbacks doesn't mean they aren't manipulating him dude. That's clearly part of the process.
>>288899273That's like saying Guts was "manipulating" Griffith when he threw his logic back in his face by questioning why Griffith would ask Guts if he was cruel. It's similarly not manipulating when the Godhand tried to persuade Griffith to join them by using flashbacks and figures from his past and using Griffith's own beliefs/logic. It's literally just Griffith's speech to Casca, put to imagery. Griffith holds the boy knight up to the castle atop the sea of bones because that's what Griffith's thinks makes sense. And that type of sunk cost fallacy has always been his logic since before we're introduced to him. That's why he was angry at Guts, because since Guts made him lose sight of that, in Griffith's twisted logic that means Guts was disrespecting the dead by preventing Griffith from attaining his kingdom.
>>288885587>taking a sword to the gut>getting raped by demons for the rest of timeOne is not like the other, anon
Last bit I saw before Kentaro died was Griffith managed to incarnate himself back into Earth's plane. Whatever became of that?
