anime is still hand drawn be it with this or recent season of opm. i can also bet that most of new gits was also not drawn on paper, so is the whole point of such statement is to make fool of normalfags?
Normalfags probably think there hasn't been a hand drawn anime since Redline because of those memes around it.
>he doesn't know
A lot of animators still draw on paper. I'd say most that are actually employed to studios and aren't freelancers use paper over digital. But still, that doesn't change the fact that it still gets scanned and then digitally colored all the same so you can't even tell the difference between digital and paper.
>>288923719just an anti-AI virtue signal/grift
>>288923719hell yeah
>>288923719>anime is still hand drawnSee you in 2030 where AI anime will be the new norm like 3DCG anime.https://x.com/craftcapitallab/status/2069289437335543989
All anime made in the last 7 years have ai in them, including this one
>>288923957Stable diffusion was released in 2022 you stupid fuck.
>>288923776Based anon calling out Luddites
>>288923719That's cool. But really not unusual. Anyway, I really hope GITS is good. But I won't be surprised if it's bad.
I'm afraid not.
>>288923948I hope.>>288923957I wish.
>>288923719The most important thing is that the art and its passing onto others doesn't die out.
>>288924011Go back reading Kengan shit.
>>288923948I have a feeling we'll get a few years where AI animu looks overall better than most shows now before they find ways to cheap out on it and we're back to the same low quality animation that's everywhere now but with 6 fingered hands.
>>288923776>anti-AIBased.
>>288924090Um...Most AI even now doesn't have issues with hands, and the tech becomes cheaper over time at about 10x per year. What are you talking about?
>>288924112Yeah, if you're a braindead bandwagon hopper that downloads all his opinions from the hivemind. You wouldn't have been anti-AI in 2021 when the movement didn't exist you fucking braindead dipshit.
>>288923719More works for the same pay then?
>>288924077Don't Kengan readers have a greater reason to hate AI given the modern state of Omega? (I know most of it is due to the writing, but the AI isn't helping)
>>288923769Exactly. The real problem is that when it gets digitally "inked" the lines will be largely uniform like all digital animation. The colors will be flat. There will be a lack of texture.
>>288923719>i can also bet that most of new gits was also not drawn on paper,I'm sure the characters will have been drawn on paper, but then they scan the paper and colour it in using a computer, the robots, vehicles, and large crowd scenes will be CG, and the backgrounds a mixture of AI, CG, editing real photos, etc.
>>288924194There's also a huge difference in direction between cel and digital; the way scenes are storyboarded is different because painting cels is more laborious and you have to layer them so certain types of motion have a higher cost.I have to say though, the first season of GitS SAC was extremely good at blending modern digital and CG techniques with cel-era directorial skills.
>>288924140>movementDon't know what you're even talking about, jeet. Take your meds and learn to use a toilet.
>>288924258>mfw when an old anime uses 4:3 aspect ratio
>>288924293The only movement this anon knows of is of the bowels
>>288924194Those are choices, not required of the digital medium or any transfer process from the original paper.
>>288924140Continue to seethe.
>>288923776good, behead all AI-worshipping shitskins
>>288923719>The manga is obviously hand-drawn on paper; it's analogI can't help thinking this is a stealth insult towards Shirow.
>>288924140>You wouldn't have been against cars before Ford invented the automobile!Thank you for displaying your retardation the class, Sanjeet.
>>288924194>The real problem is that when it gets digitally "inked" the lines will be largely uniform like all digital animation. The colors will be flat. There will be a lack of texture.These are design choices influenced by the animation pipeline, not technological limitations. If you learn to draw (digitally) one day, then it will make you realize how silly you were to think things like this.
>>288924194You're like 20 years behind. Anime studios have been able to get a lot of texture and variation out of digital lines for a while now.
>>288923719>recent season of opmIs that why they could only afford 5 frames per episode? Granted, those 5 frames were very pretty.
>>288925667Can you provide a single example to back this up?
>>288923776They will still be using AI but they will hide it well.
>>288926872
>>288924140>you wouldn't have been against something that didn't existYeah, no shit? What are your opinions about invasive flying turtles?
Ban all Twitter threads, no exceptions
>>288923769>A lot of animators still draw on paperNot really, most use tablets and studios have switched to it all together.
>>288924034>hate cgi>but fine with ai-gen slophmmm
>>288926872>Uuuyyyhfhfhggj i dont warch any animeeeheh uuuggggghh givr me prooooooooooof pleasseeKill yourself you subhuman nigger
>>288924090AI shorts made by random amateurs on xitter already look infinitely better than crappa rotoscope shits
>>288928221You could have attached a picture of horse dung to your post and it would have been better than whatever that is.
>>2889237197 years of hand drawn animation?
>>288924194They can avoid all that, everyone uses line filter anyway
>>288927901Genga are still done on paper
why aren't twitter screenshots instant bans yet?
>>288923719He only said hand drawn, not necessarily on paper.
>>288927901If you look at credits on some new anime you'll see that they actually differentiate between "In-Between Animation" and "Digital In-between Animation" to cover the paper versus tablet split. https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=32929
>>288928901Only few, majority do it digitally. >>288929472Sure it's not completely digital now but 90% of studios have switched to digital, as for digital inbetweening credits i believe it refers to assisting software tool.
>>288928942nothing to boast or be impressive about, trashy isekais are also hand drawn
>>288928921Because the mods know you love them
>>288923719>normalfagsno taste detected. if anything this gimmick is completely fine. looks great in fact
>>288930452what are you talking about dumbass
>>288927056I don't know why I haven't watched this yet. This scene actually does look decent. Though they don't do this for the entirety if I recall. It's still not quite cel level though. >>288930193No this looks awful and you can easily tell .
>>288930193Before>Shrink it down to 240p>Resize it back to original sizeAfterPerfect.
>>288923719he says this but then removes all the texture of the paper, and the final result ends up looking like any other digital animation. Here is my edit of how it should look like
>>288923719He's explaining why they went with hand drawn animation unlike what people were expecting after the last GitS anime.What don't you fucking understand??
It's funny he say this considering the Ghost in the Shell sequel manga Shirow did features heavy usage of CGI
>>288932755It's funny he say this considering how after Ghost in the Shell Shirow dedicated most of his life to draw bbc porn with awful body proportions
>>288923719He's trying to justify making it look like dogshit for artistic reasons when he did it to stand out and be special.
>>288930193
>>288933004God that looks good. Back when anime had proper shading.
>>288933032Anon...
>>288923719>so is the whole point of such statement is to make fool of normalfags?Indians should be banned from making threads
>>288933032That's the new stuff. You can tell it's trying to emulate the old style.
>>288924194>>288924258>>288931799>>288932507How about digital anime that had hand painted backgrounds, like the 00s ghibli movies like spirited away?
>>288932507That's just a shit filter, why don't you add a vhs one while you are at it? Paranoia agent looks the same as your "edit" and that anime is fully digital.
>>288932507he was talking about genga or even just hand drawing on tablets, twitter clickbait retards always try to mislead shit to get interaction.throwing a digital paper filter over this just makes you look stupid dude, you might as well upscale it to 8k using supereagle and fake scanlines for good measure
>>288926872Forgot to quote you here >>288933525
>>288924194I never understood why people say this about digital colouring.If you zoomed in on a cel anime or digital one using the same colour you'd hardly be able to tell the difference by colour alone.You can tell them apart because of stuff like grain, or certain tint characteristic of old anime, or how outlines can look after being put on film and through remastering process. You can tell digital if they use certain effects like gradiants and such.And with your image as an example you can tell them apart from the artstyle, the way the lines are drawn, the shading is applied and such. But the one on the left could just as well be made digitally for all I knew.It's really not like ink has some magic property that makes it look more appealing than colour applied on a computer. It's simply a matter of good design and artistic skill. Problem isn't that digital is soulless, it's that some anime aren't given a soul when they are being made.There's plenty of anime with extremely beautiful digital colouring, especially this past decade.
>>288933543>throwing a digital paper filter over this just makes you look stupid dude,This, I am tired of literally every "retro artists" that just throws a filter over their drawings.
>>288924194If digital coloring is bad, does that mean that almost all video games look like garbage? There is not a single good looking one?
>>288927077It's fine. Ai won't steal that anon's job, but he'll learn when it cuts down his salary
>>288933731Compared to cel animation, yes. In a vacuum, many look fine.>anon now starts to comprehend why cel shading was utilized for some video games
>>288933769>>288933769Cel shading is about drawing, doesn't have to do anything with cel animation, cel shading can be done on paper, digitally etc. >Compared to cel animationI disagree, there are many games that look spectacular. Now to ask you another question, what are your thoughts on >>288933525 and on Wonder, a 2014 anime movie that was drawn and colored completely on papers using techniques that are older than cel animation and by that I mean that it had no layers which is how animation was in the early 1900s
>>288924194I love the coloring in tokyo mew mew and if was made after 2000s.
>>288924140Seethe, pajeet, seethe.
>>288933879>that look spectacularYes they do, for a video game. >what are your thoughts on WonderI haven't seen it, but while I gave it a watch in between this post and yours. Was it drawn on paper and also inked on paper? It looks like it was colored in with markers - so that's not the highest quality, but the animation itself is smooth/fluid, albeit nonsensical artpiece-y.I do want to stress, the moment you start coloring things digitally, no matter how beautiful it is, is when the quality meets an impassable wall. I'm sure someone can more eloquently explain it than I can, but it's the difference between artificial and natural (whether that be flavors/foods, materials such as woods, etc). You can get as close as possible but you'll never quite pass the threshold.
>>288934058>. Was it drawn on paper and also inked on paper? IYes it was colored on paper.. How about the digital ghibli movies with hand painted backgrounds?
>twitter threadFuck off back to /v/
>>288934104Again, they look good, but they won't ever look as good as the best of cel animation (which for further discussion sake includes inking on the cel, no digital coloring).
>>288933975Early 2000s digital anime used to look good; it was when they started adding effects like sunlight during post-production that all the colors began to look washed out. Science Saru's anime doesn't have these kind of effects and is just the drawing+colors
>>288934146>Again, they look good, but they won't ever look as good as the best of cel animationBut they are literally hand painted as in not digitally colored. Akira is the best looking anime but I vastly preferred the manga desu.
>>288924194I recommend checking out the cutscenes from the 90s GITS game, they are digitally drawn yet they look great. Probably my favorite look for the franchise in animation.
>>288934197>they are literally hand paintedDid you not say they're a combination of digital and cel painted? >Akira is the best looking animeYeah, that's why I'm using it as the example. Even other cel animated series don't quite reach that level, but digital fundamentally will never. Not anime but Snow White is probably the best western example. There are details, textures, colors, shades, layers that you just cannot replicate. You can see it clearly in this screenshot. The more I look the more I see, the soft cutoff of shadow color fading into lighter color on the rocks. The green moss looking paint with brush strokes changing into the wooden bark. The animals looking like they're actually behind the foliage because they most likely literally are as the foreground is a separate cel layered on top. Granted, this is likely the best of the best, I'm pretty sure this was when cel animation made its debut, and they took 3 years to make it, so there's good reason it's top of the top.
>>288934146Overrated. Also appeal of Akira are the detailed structures and destruction.Characters look ugly. Colours look ugly.
>>288934342>Characters look ugly. Colours look ugly.Highly subjective, nobody is really claiming the characters in Akira are beautiful.>colors look uglyNot only is that false that doesn't make sense.
>>288934337>Did you not say they're a combination of digital and cel painted?Wtf is cel painted? I've said that the backgrounds themselves were hand painted and I am asking regarding the backgrounds alone(so ignoring the character layers and all that stuff), do they measure to what you are expecting?
>>288934409>Wtf is cel painted>the backgrounds were hand paintedOkay so do you think that Ghibli films are nothing but backgrounds, there is nothing else? I already asked that if we are going to be discussing cel animation going forward, everything is drawn and inked on the cels. No digital.
>>288934451And I am asking you to compare specifically the backgrounds of those movies to the backgrounds of older movies, what's hard to understand? I am asking you personally, do you think they look good?
>>288923719the Jews mad
>>288925593god I love how joyfully retarded his coomer stuff looks, someone post the one with all the black bulls
>>288934177>just the drawing+colorsFalse
>>288934483This will now be the 4th time that I said they look good. If you're going to continue to be a faggot about it, I'm not going to have an earnest discussion with you any longer. Which I doubt you'll care as most of /a/ hasn't given a shit for ages if it ever.
>>288933543>he was talking about genga or even just hand drawing on tabletsnothing noteworthy, every studio does this.
>>288925593Well the original manga is 100% traditionally drawn except for the CGI water at the beginning of the 10th chapter.
>>288934519>This will now be the 4th time that I said they look goodYou said it once but you said that they won't look as good as cel animation, was that because the rest of the production doesn't use hand painted animation or because the backgrounds in itself are worse? >I'm not going to have an earnest discussion with you any longer. Please anon, anything but that!
>>288934378Well I framed that wrong. Akira is a good looking movie, but the colours aren't the reason it's good looking.The amount of detail, the perspective work and effort put into the backgrounds and animation make it stunning to watch.The character art however not so much. And I'm exaggerrating calling the colours ugly but they sure as hell don't stand out in Akira. Apart from a couple effects maybe.
>>288934514it's true. Left is Science Saru and right is how most anime look like nowadays due to the sunlight filter
>>288923997Photoshop had generative AI since 2010 you stupid fuck.
>>288934828they used in that kimi no iro movie, it's even used in gits. dandadan has overdone with the green and purple filter
>>288924090You are a retard that doesn't understand how ai works. Also by the time ai can generate full anime no one will care about animation since people will be experiencing realistic VRs. (also most anime has always and will always have shit animation, that's how the industry has always worked)
