Tkmiz's new manga, a prequel to Girls' Last Tour.Raw chapter 1
FISH manga?
beat me by 3 minutes I was about to dump this. good luck with the captchas anon.
>>288946487Is this, you know...
>>288946463What's the point when you already know how is going to end.
>>288946551Is this yuri?
>>288946666Why are you living if you're going to die?
>>288946693Isn't that what SSR is all about?
>>288946717Yeah, so you'd think you Anon would get it
>>288946744She could tighten my nuts.
>depressed lesbians, huge and oppressive man made environments, and feesh We're so back
Done.Next update: July 31st
>>288946686Always
>>288946945It’s so over
>>288946945This is a fireworks festival, right?
The ocean’s surface froze over?
Are the usual translation and typesetting anons going to be joining us?
>>288946686Never
It feels so weird seeing so many men in something by tkmiz. Weird, but cool.
I NEED A TRANSLATION RIGHT NOW AAAAA
aughh i need a translation !! ( ｀皿´)｡ﾐ/
>>288946463>Girls' second to last tour
>>288946658Alcohol is humanity’s friend.
>>288947547
>>288946551Uuuh why are they sleeping in the same bed when there is one for each?
SHAFT adaptation confirmed.
>>288946463Even once translated, how many months will it take us to figure out what is going on?
>>288947933I already know
>>288947933The world will end
>>288948037>>288948107So you know how this Project 941 got to the top of a megastructure?
Thank you OP>>288946783Oh shit what is she doing?>>288946895>that 2nd panel>should I fix you too?
>>288946945That's not what ICBMs would look like from the arctic, so it's probably just fireworks surely.
>>288948190Yes
>>288946463I want to see more Nuko.
>>288946686No yuri here comrade sailor
>>288946686Tkmiz can't make anything but yuri
>>288948710
>>288946647KANI!
>>288946700I'm not translator-kun, but here's a TL note. Panels 1 and 2 on this page mention a work of art called Canned Universe:>Genpei Akasegawa [...] created a sculptural piece called Canned Universe (aka Cosmic Can) in the following manner:>1) Opening a can of crabmeat. 2) Eating upthe content. 3) Removing the paper label and glue it on the inner side of the can. 4) Re-sealing the can with solder.>By converting the inside and the outside, he succeeded in conceptually sealing the whole universe into the can. https://yukiokumura.com/works/multiverse.html
Anon, you still around?
>>288946693
Ah yes, the silly blonde and depressed black haired girl. To be expected of my beloved fish sensei.
>>288946658>Japan no longer existsNOOOOOOO
I read simulation and regretted it. Won't be tricked again.
>>288949563Why, it’s too good?
If he was really into yuri, then why does he tweet about wanting to have sex with old men so much?
>>288949206No he's a fish
It's an old idea.I'm surprised by it myself but I find I really fucking don't like how they recycled the black hair / blonde hair comedy duo design cues. Like fuck off we did that, it was good, let it be.
>>288946693That's exactly why I genuinely want to kill myself, but I know it would really hurt my parents.
Wait a minute... I can't read Japanese...
>>288946658Kani mentioned
>>288949395How's a person supposed to remember a passing comment from 2 years ago? I remember saying he was gonna make a new one but I don't remember if that one's by me.>>288949656Please don't respond to bait and do what you're supposed to do.
>>288946883>bonk
>>288946463post the link, tkmiz gets money from every visit https://kuragebunch.com/episode/12207421983890387909
>>288950495I visited earlier.
>>288950495>First Penguin Requiem>big girl with long blonde hair and small girl with short black hairLooks remarkably tmkiz-core too.
>>288946551>>288946569Looks like the black haired girl is called Mei, and the blonde is Myamo
>>288950495>gets moneyFrom what? I have adblock.
>>288950620The blonde one is Minamo, but she's also called Misaki in one panel
>>288946463Neat
>>288950706You can't block the server from registering that you visited the page itself. You can block third party tracking but not first party.As for where the money comes from, well, either non-adblock-using people, or other aspects of the Kurage Bunch brand which you would be incentivized to buy into if you were Japaneseeven if he doesn't get money directly, web click counts still decide the axe
>>288947066Polar ice caps?
>>288946666zetsubou.
>>288947005>It’s so over
>>288947066>>288950822they're in the north, it's a nuclear submarine on a mission
>>288950169Well I did, haven't I? If he was serious about it he'd know, he'd remember.
>>288950840Yes anon, I know. I'm reminding the other anon that there are these things called the poles
>>288950856I knew you knew
>>288950851Hence why I used "passing comment". While it may have a lot of meaning to you it might just be some words to whoever said it.
>>288950876But did you know I knew you knew I knew, you know?
>>288950886I expected this to be some great reunion, you know.
>>288950906But do you know that this anon >>288950876 knew?
>>288950931Piss off, I'm having a moment here
>>288950906It will be after the translation
Everyone will know everything
>>288950941Don't you mean a "knowment"?>>288950945Has the eyebrow been raised?
>>288946869Drafting women as anything but pleasure women was a mistake
>>288951074When you have nothing left you have to use women.
>>288951074These women pleasure each other, does it count?
>>288946587>>288946569>MEN
>>288951183tkmiz is trying new things
>>288946856Mutiny! Everyone's doing it!
what if EVERYONE DIED haha
>>288951250They didn't though.
So is anyone here planning on picking it up for tls?
>>288951311that is the question, isn't it?
>>288951311Just learn japanese not like I have
>>288946962AI-chan says:>It seems to be ending>Apparently>Hey>Mei-san>I liked it>It's quiet, isn't it>But...>This job too>The country too...>The world too...>What?>Yeah, that's right>>288946945AI-chan says:>It's over.>>288946905AI-chan says:>After surfacing>You will have some free time>From the Captain>To all crew members>May, that's good news>From now on>Deck>You may go outside the deck>Tell those who are sleeping>All hands, prepare for impact>>288946895AI-chan says:>Tie the two of them up.>Navigator, what's the ice thickness here?>We're going to punch through and surface.>It's about two meters.>Raise the bow!>>288947018You're kidding but just to be clear: this seems to be the final evacuation of the cities to outer space. The protagonists of Girl's Last Tour were sent to the launch platform on the top layer of the city but missed the boat so to speak.
Why is every thread on /a/ just a reposts of old manga?
>>288952082This is a new manga.
>>288952082New stuff is in the generals
>>288952076It's a nuclear submarine. They got orders to launch their nukes on their enemies before they are struck, but captain has a woman moment, "Is this a preemptive or retaliatory strike, we just don't know. I'll gamble on humanity"
>>288952082>oldYou didn't even read the damn OP.
I love women>>288952210
>>288946962Thanks anon. I look forward to enjoying more depressing apocalyptic yuri with you and every other distinguished gentlemen itt when I can actually read it.>>288949727I heard this is meant to be an anthology of sorts? If so then we'll get new characters, and they can't all be dark/blonde duos, right?
>>288952076>but missed the boatNah, the cube uploaded them to the capsule.
>>288952520My theory is that the cube is the simulation and it never made it to a spaceship but there's several possibilities.They could've tried until a successful launch and later send the simulation cube (which stayed behind since following flights didn't happen)They could've thrown a simulation into space every time and on fail clone and try again (in which case the one on the planet is a clone and the "real" one is in space without chito and yuuri).Or they could've done a wireless copy like you're suggesting.For me it's the first option. Option 2 would allow for a very interesting story about existence. Option 3 is too simple, I feel.
>>288946962I didn't know tkmz could write such a nice episode.
>>288949395It is very melancholic that I had an interaction just like this during zetsubouposting but I don't think the date aligns... even though I have memory problems...
>>288952654For this kind of shit the simplest explanation is always the best, you can construct an endless list of possibilities by adding complexity.
>>288952654The cube is shown clearly sending a signal in space
>>288952800Where?
>>288946933AI-chan says:>...Captain>So this is the end of our mission, then?>Ah, yes.>If I return to my country,>I'll be arrested for treason, won't I?>...As long as there's a country to return to.>I told you.>It's a foolish gamble.>Huh?>>288946883>I'm just making a bad bet.>Believing in people...>That's selfish!>>288946869AI-chan says:>If we strike the enemy base before launch!>What kind of situation is this!?>Maybe so.>Because of your selfishness,>tens of thousands of our own citizens>might die.>But we don't know>if this is a preemptive strike>or retaliation.>We haven't been informed.>We can't make that judgment.>>288952210I guess you're right. In chapter 27 of Girls Last Tour we see that the submarine still has its nuclear weapons. I'm not quite sure how everything fits together though, I mean: between cities it's a wasteland, but at least multiple cities are still standing and the submarine is old technology compared to the giant robot that caused massive damage with a push of a button. So the cities were spared by the captain, the wasteland is the result of other nuclear attacks and then the populations of the remaining cities began fighting among themselves?By the way: are the protagonists of the prequel the same as the ones talking about the investigation of the machine society?
https://x.com/stardust_2638/status/2070449358794055796?s=46Interesting
>>288953012Nice
>>288952818Here.
>>288950906We've all been here all the time
>>288953163The drawings are so schizophrenic I can't take anything from it.
>>288952654>My theory is that the cube is the simulation and it never made it to a spaceship but there's several possibilities.the simulation needs fuel, most likely some sort of nuclear thermoelectric generatorthe nukos would not overlook it
>>288946487>>288946499>communication ended, submerge depth 30, down trim 15, speed 10 knots, some nautical shit idk>>288946509>A>It submerged...>...........>People who built this submarine...>>288946521>Why did they put a crew cabin here I wonder?>?Because they had some extra space?>But right in between the nuclear missiles!??>These launch tubes are protruding into the room, even...>To think that we sleep next to this thing everyday...>Submariners back then used to sleep between torpedo tubes you know?>I don't like the sound of that>I'd rather be here than between the torpedoes...>I... I'm really not good with tight spaces...>(Claustrophobia? or something like that)>I see... wait>>288946535>...then why did you get this submarine job?>I was recommended by my university so I just went along...>You just went along...?>W- well! you've been doing great so far, this mission will be over in 3 days anyway>[Message from captain to all personnel.]>You're right...>[Unfortunately, we've just received an urgent order from the HQ that the mission will be extended by another 2 months.]>[We'll head south to resupply.]>...............>2 months...>[Then we'll head north again, further details will be explained later.]>Can I sleep with you today?>Eh!? fine, I guess...>>288946551>(what am I?)>(a dakimakura...?)>Didn't you say you hated tight spaces?>No... this is calming...>(Mei-san is brilliant compared to me, a vocational school graduate...)>(Apparently she studied nuclear physics at university and got top grades)>(Now she's working as an engineer on this submarine)>(Nuclear energy? nuclear fission? I think I studied those but I can't remember)>(Uranium... plutonium...? come to think of it, we're right next to them...)>(If i remember correctly...)>(Neutrons? are emitted...)>(They collide and... chain react and...)>(Go critical...)>........
>>288953259They took the radio away which was tiny, now imagine a radio powerful enough to broadcast full data on people to a ship outside the solar system.The nukos wouldn't ignore either or, so they were most likely instructed to leave the simulation/broadcast machine alone, therefore no information can be gained.
>>288953194
>>288953405Thank you
>>288953363>>I... I'm really not good with tight spaces...
is anyone working on typeset already?
so we have Ai-chan translating backwards from the end and TLanon translating forwards from the beginning?What happens when they meet?
>this city sure is layered, according to these fragments
>>288946686It's not queer if it's off the pier, every sailor knows this
>>288953954>these girls are on some king of... LAST TOUR..
>>288953880You don't want to know...
>>288953880The singularity
>>288953880
>>288950906You can't go home again, anon. The motions are the same, but the meaning is gone.
>>288946569>It's breakfast time! ><>Today we have onigiri, grilled salmon>French-fries, milk, grapefruits, wow! just like hotel breakfast!>Good morning Minamo-chan>Goood morning>Hey, can you believe it?>Two more months they said>Yeahh that's lame>Welp... on the bright side, you get another two months of my home cooking>Home cooking my ass, it's all canned and frozen food>I do have to grill these salmon myself you know?>>288946587>Minamo-chan why don't you come and cook for me at my place?>Not a chance!>(Mei-san...)>(That's a relief, she's back to normal now)>(........)>(To be honest I don't really mind this daily life)>(I have to clean after everyone's done eating)>(and then start preparing lunch right away)>(When I have some spare time I check the ingredients, manage the schedule, clean the dining hall)>(Next thing I know, it's already dinner time)>>288946602>It's dinner time!>(It's not really though)>This sub operates on an 18-hour day, running three 6-hour shifts: 6 hours of work, followed by 6 hours of rest, and 6 hours of sleep>I'm on the A shift so I'm in change of three meals for the people on the same shift and one meal for the officers (the timing can be a bit off)>We don't really know whether it's day or night on the surface>In such an isolated life, the meals here are said to be the most luxurious in the military>Otherwise, no one would want to serve here...>And tonight we have... steak!>uohhhh!>yatta!>>288946614>Come to think of it, even spaceships have windows, right?>That's true... when you think about it like that, this place here...>is the most isolated place in the world.
>>288950906This is the most /tkmiz/ reunion of all.
>>288952210tkmizland is a funny bizarro world version of Earth where we have perfect brain mapping technology and the ability to store those mapped brains on a computer smaller than a car and the ability to create sapient AI and giant megacities........ but we're also still using nuclear submarines and blowing each other up.
>>288955684She's saying shit like "Maybe I became a soldier for moments like this" while actively overturning orders, not simply coasting
>>288953363>>288955327Thank you for this, anon. You're doing the good work. Everybody thank this guy!
>>288955836
>>288955327>steaktkmiz is clever. The military is usually fed fancy steak or lobster meals, before bad shit is about to go down.
>>288955992I would argue that it's a LITTLE bit different when the civilization is creating nation-sized structures and building general artificial intelligences to manage them like it's just normal every day business. At that point, you should probably expect that the submarines might not look like they came out of fucking cold war stockpiles. Just MAYBE.But I get it. I don't really want to harp on it. Tkmiz doesn't speak in matters of logistics. It does not matter to him what technological barriers would have to be broken to construct a megacity and how the passing of those barriers would drastically alter the shape of the world. No. What matters to him is telling an emotional story where he can have a random assortment of different eras of technology banging around like it's a fucking Rimworld colony. He and I have fundamentally different forms of autism.
>>288956258Even the grunts?
>>288956329Anon the B52 first flew in 1952, 74 years ago and will likely be in service until at least 2050, 95 years after that first flight.
>>288955836>but we're also still using nuclear submarinesYou say this like nuclear subs aren't fucking amazing at what they do. Old doesn't mean inefficient.
>>288956512We are probably more than 95 years away from creating general artificial intelligence, despite what some idiots might claim. But the megastructures would require technology so advanced that it looks like magic to us. Figuring out the material science needed to create something like we see depicted would be like bringing modern aerospace engineering materials back to the stone age and asking them to figure it out. You will not see such things for thousands of years. Thousands of fucking years, anon. It's not just a little jaunt down the block.
>>288956329What kind of barriers would the creation of AI lead to breaking that would make nuclear submarines outdated when irl the barrier to current AI technology would be broken by using nuclear more?
>>288956715>>288956698
>>288956698Show me in my post where I said we had AGI, show me in my post where I said we could build megastructures, show me in my post where I said it was a little jaunt down the block. I'm happy to wait.
>>288956698>setting has spaceships>still uses wheelsThis is what you sound like.
>>288956698Better material science would allow for the possibility of "better" subs but wouldn't actually alter their design in practice because they're already designed as best they can be. You're always going to want to reduce space, and there's not really a better shape for something that has to move underwater. Even if they had magic technology that allowed them to build it in fancy shapes and ignore pressure they wouldn't fucking waste the energy required to do that for no practical reason.You're also fundamentally missing the point that SSR is all about technology receding because the actually hyper advanced civilisation wiped itself out.
>>288956329People don't suddenly stop using old tech.We have cars but people still walk or ride horses.We have motorcycles but people still use bicycles.We have electric vehicles but people still use traditional vehicles.Also innovations in one field might not necessarily translate well to others, all we can do is guess what will happen in the future.
>>288956735I didn't say you did. What you did do was make an argument to the effect of: "It's not unreasonable for these things to exist in concert, as these real life things have existed in concert despite being invented X years apart."My point was that the setting we see would be well outside of the values you provided.So, I'll kind of break it down for you. I guess that I should explain. If you were able to create materials that could support immense weight and not sag under inimaginable pressure like we see in those layers... and you also had the ability to manufacture said materials in such mind-bogglingly enormous quantities, said materials would find their way into everything and you could make truly ridiculous vehicles and, well, anything else you wanted. You could make a city sized submarine if you wanted, and why wouldn't you?
>>288956896>You could make a city sized submarine if you wanted, and why wouldn't youBecause it wouldn't fit into any body of water?Btw just because a material handles compression well vertically doesn't mean it will handle compression or tension in any other way. Even if they look like magic they should still only excel at a single or a few tasks.
>>288956896>and why wouldn't you?Yeah, why wouldn't you want your weapon of war to be a gigantic target that's a nightmare of logistics, moves slow as shit most likely, and puts thousands of lives at risk? Why wouldn't you take everything a submarine is designed for and throw it out the fucking window because muh super materials? Why wouldn't you force yourself to expend resources to consistently feed and sustain a city's worth of people deep underwater instead of keeping them in the megastructure you already built?
>>288957012Maybe so. I mean, it's hard to tell what's truly going on with the construction, and it can't really be explained by the author because there is no currently conceivable way to create such a structure. For all intents and purposes, it might as well be magic.
>>288957045You could make millions of smaller submarines autonomously controlled by robots and AI.
>The technology autist gives a not-so-subtle overture that he doesn't want to have a huge discussion about this topic>This is the first time that he has done such a thing, maybe the thread will take the hint and ignore him>Everyone jumps out of the woodwork to have the same argument with him that they've been repeating for years nowNever change /tkmiz/.
>>288957200Here's my input - who gives a shit?Aren't we all here to look at potato-shaped girls?
>>288957104>give the enemy nation direct access to your AI tech so they can reverse engineer it
>>288957325It doesn't really matter to me, but it is funny to see this same song and dance. I guess it's a thread ritual at this point. In that case, carry on.
>>288957332Given that they openly use it in infrastructure projects, I don't see this being an issue. It's probably not hard to sneak spies into a megacity.
>>288957200>retard feels the need to express his opinion on 4chan>cries when people reply to the public opinion he himself chose to put out in a public space where people discuss stuff so that everyone else could see it and be aware of it because he's incapable of living without being perceived but too thinskinned to take the attentionSocial media fried your brains.
>>288957354I get that, I just felt like being a bit rude to someone.
>>288957376>they openly use it in infrastructure projectsPost proof of this. Also post proof AI already exists at the time the current chapter takes place.
hey guys holdon a second. look at this before you make your next post. thanks for looking
>>288957389Not the same person.
>>288957408The AI is running the city. That's not really something you can obfuscate very effectively. If it can control things remotely, there must be information exchange, and that's always a two way street. As for the chapter, that's a good point.
>>288957414I'm looking respectfully.
>who gives a shit?
what the hell is going on with the translations in this thread? why are they two? why is one of them translating in reverse order? i'm so confused
>>288957200>here's my autistic opinion but do NOT argue with me!>people argue>can't help but respond anywaykill yourself
>>288957671One is tkmiz himself
>>288957696Relax, man. The dude is a known schizo is all. I won't say anything next time. Feel free to argue with him all you want. I didn't mean to come across as disparaging.
I hate egg.
I love egg!
i know the translations aren't even done yet, but does anyone here have any typesetting skills? is there any plan for this? cuz right now things seem a bit... uhhh.. chaotic, lol
>>288958100We all beg for egg
>>288957429That just makes it even worse.
>>288957474>The AI is running the cityDoesn't mean it was doing so when the city was built.
>>288958321I suppose not, but if no reasonable assumptions are allowed, there's nothing to discuss. Tkmiz never really elaborated on how anything worked to the degree necessary to sustain this conversation without assumptions.
>>288958434How about you write a story of your own so we can laugh at how garbage it is or better yet crawl back to your suicide cult to worship your fat retard leader and live in fear of the basilisk?
>>288950495>chapter title: nuclear submarineI think every chapter is going to be self contained. I'm looking forward to the rocket chapter!
>>288946647>Okay>This is the last one>The hatch is closed>We're submerging now>Waaa fresh ingredients!>There are fresh vegetables too!>We portion and organize them right away>Understood!>A lot of canned food>Canned tomato... beans, tunas, saba, sardines>Crabs!>>288946658>...and Nihonshu! (sake)>eh?... what's with that?>This is my "personal belongings" desu!>and that crab?>that crab... I kinda just took it>Eh?>Nihonshu is a traditional alcohol, made in a country called Japan, which no longer exists, they say it's made from rice>This is my most cherished collection>Are you sure it's ok to open something that precious?>Mei-san, you seem a bit down lately>So here you go. it's not much, but...>Minamo-chan...>>288946680>They say sake goes really well with seafood>So it should go really well with crab too!>Oishii...>Right?!>Oishii... hehehe>eeuu>...you're drunk already?
>>288958282I don't know how to explain it, I just feel like that dude is operating in bad faith. Now that I think about it, the line about not wanting to "harp on" the topic was probably some reverse psychology. He's been baiting people like you with this shit for YEARS, dude. It CAN'T be a real argument anymore. It's ALWAYS the same. I'm telling you that he's a schizo.
>>288946700>do you know about Canned Universe? >>288949183>Canned...?>There was an art piece where the label of a canned food was attached on the inside, reversing the inside and outside, by doing so, it created the idea of trapping the universe inside the can>Sounds like some kind of sophistry>But that's why I thought you could also look at it this way>This boat of ours is also a "can trapping the universe" and we are actually on the outside of it>I see...(note: i don't get any of this wtf)>ah! if that's the case, even if we go outside, won't we still be trapped inside something?>sorry for saying something weird>I often have that dream>>288946721>I open a hatch and think I'm already outside, but then there's another hatch>and beyond that hatch there's also another hatch, forever, there are only exits, but there's no outside...>and that's when I wake up from sheer terror>sometimes I even scream in my sleep out loud, BRACHIOSAURUS!!>I think that might be from a different dream though...>.........I wonder why are tight spaces so scary>what could it be? maybe it's the silence that's scary...>you mean like when there's no sound?>No, it’s more like the stillness of space… it feels as if this world is sealed off and the air has turned solid, and that feeling is somehow… a kind of silence...also these last two pages here >>288955327 it might be better to change "isolated" to "closed-off" or "sealed-off" I have to go, N1 TLanons please continue and fix my shit
>>288957389And yours.
>>288958152I could typeset, but it's gonna take some time for me to get to it.Looks like the TL needs some tuning anyway
>>288958589Just because a lot of people disagree with me doesn't make me a schizo. We're having an enlightening discussion and you're just complaining and calling me a bad actor.
>>288956896>why wouldn't you?Anon confirmed for having a tiny penis
>>288956882Anon can't comprehend that. He thinks if you mention something being old you think you must be saying something else
>>288958817I just meant that making a giant submarine is about as reasonable as making a giant layer cake city the size of a continent. Surely there are more efficient and pragmatic ways to construct a city even if you have access to hyper advanced materials. I don't really understand the pragmatic argument coming from a series where people live in giant cities built on top of giant cities built on top of giant cities built on top of giant cities. As if that's just a reasonable state of affairs that could come to pass with logical decision making.
>>288957325Speaking of, battle action potatoes chapter 3 came out for free and chapter 4 paywalled https://takecomic.jp/episodes/778f6c9d5a350TL is still stuck on ch1
>>288957200>S-stop pointing out I was wrongNo. Make peace with the feeling of retardation
>>288958943Yeah, I know he's an idiot. That's the point. That wasn't a defense of him. I don't know what else I can say at this point. Does /a/ not deal with thread schizos regularly? You can keep giving him (You)s if you really want, there's nothing I can do to stop you.
>>288946945I love pages like this. Reminds me of a page from Meteor Methuselah where adults are telling kids they're taking care of to look at all the shooting stars only to reveal that they're actually nuclear missiles.
>>288958895>THE PHALLIC SHAPED OBJECT MUST BE MADE UNFEASIBLY LARGEI'm sure there are pills you could try
>>288958595>(note: i don't get any of this wtf)If you draw a closed shape on a sphere, which part is the "inside" and which is the outside?The smaller one? You can make the sizes equal, and space is relative anyway.They actually both insides.The same may apply to the universe. Even if it doesn't loop back on itself like a sphere, you can still pretend that it makes sense if you imagine hard enough.
>>288959021I don't read a submarine as being particularly phallic. You're off base.
>>288958926Girls Last Tour but tits and ass version.It's such a painful rip off.
>>288959076Yeah, I'm not sure how I feel about this. The art is decent, but it feels insanely derivative.
>>288958518I'm looking forward to the pedo sex chapter.
>>288959047>I don't read a submarine as being particularly phallicIt's no use shying away from your problem anon, a medical professional can very likely help you
>>288956258Even more than that, naval submarines usually have the best food because it's one of the few things keeping morale up in such a cramped and artificially lit tin can.
>>288959164Ok.
>>288959076>a good thing but combined with another good thingI don't see the issue. The derivative criticism doesn't add up either when GLT itself is extremely derivative (as is SS) and when this is clearly very different from GLT in tone and content and borrowing from a lot of other stuff. Just looking at that chapter I'd sooner call it scifi loli Berserk with a side of biohazard and SotC than a GLT ripoff.
>>288959176for a bit. it depends on the supply situation and how well the cooks portion out the good stuff. you can go through the tasty shit real fast and be stuck eating powdered egg mix in a big hurry
>>288956258>The military is usually fed fancy steak or lobster meals, before bad shit is about to go downThis is mostly a myth btw according to people in the military.
>>288946686No this is a completely normal occurence known as hot racking, where two or more seamen will share the same living quarters to maximize crew size in minimal space. There is definitely nothing homosexual about it or this manga whatsoever.
Reminder that a nuclear submarine's design is so optimised that the secret services had to look into Tom Clancy and whether he was actually a spy after he independently reasoned out the layout of one while writing The Hunt for Red October, because everything in one is built in the most logical and functional way we could figure out.
Will we see Sis?
>>288959297True, the specifics of it come down to your cooks and supply officer that being said I like powdered egg mix
>>288959491>spoilerit eats, it sure does eat. it's a far cry from the worst thing i ever ate to be sure
>>288959454Maybe? She was in the pictures in GLT, wasn't she?
>>288959454Yeah, she's right there in your image.
>>288958926Lacks the beauty of GLT. No depth whatsoever
>>288959601I guess I deserve that one.
>>288959595Potentially? Top left obscured by fern and pointing at white board could easily be Sis. But it's actually weirder than you might imagine because Shijima (with simulation head object mushrooms) is just sitting right there on the middle far left. There's no telling what this means for the timeline.
>>288946945The end of the world has never been so pretty before.
>>288946945CRISP
I like to think of the megastructure city in SSR as a palimpsest. Each layers of the megastructure overwrites the former layer and the memories attached to it. As they ride to the top, Chiito and Yuuri gradually uncovers the lost overwritten memories until they reach nothingness (or pure truth idk) at the top. This thought would be more logical if they were going down but I don't think that it really matters they are still digging eitherway.
>>288959699Where does the lesbian suicide strip fit in?
>>288959853I would guess some time before the apocalpyse, during a period where normalcy was still known, but on the brink of something horrible. Sis is building a machine that can... I forget how she puts it. Save, or maybe replicate people digitally? It sounds an awful lot like some kind of brain scanning computer. idk, I'm just spitballing rn
>>288955327Wait so are the days shortened to 18 hours as in the earth rotates faster or they do 18 hours because autism but ouside it's still 24 hour days?
>>288959454God I hope so
>>288960051The latter, but it's not really autism. Six hours shifts (with three different groups) are just one of the many watch systems used by sailors
>adult main charactersThat's a new one.
I liked the original a lot, this looks interesting.
>>288960051>shortenedDon't shorten it!
>>288961194Shortening things is fine, actually
>>288958595Thank you TL-kun. Do give us more when you get the chance, your writing is a lot better than what I can piece together in my head
>>288959949>Sis is building a machine that can... I forget how she puts it. Save, or maybe replicate people digitally?Nothing was said about that in the lesbian suicide strip
>>288946487Rus nuclear sub
Even if they somehow ended up uploaded to a simulation, they still died. That's just a copy of dead people. And those people still suffered enormously in the end of their lives. Simulation is a cope, and not a very smart one. It's still a horrific end.
>>288962226Their souls were uploaded and saved, you godless heathen.
>>288946962Thanks, OP. Too bad I'm a filthy dekinai.
>>288962226that's not very transhumanist of you
>>288962988It was transhumanists who destroyed the world to begin with. I'm glad I'm not like them.
>>288963167The world is literally doing fine.
Wake me up when TS.
>>288959390Except he failed to recognize that the Project 941s had 5 pressure hulls and that the SLBM tubes were stored outside the pressure hulls.Even though analysts in the UK had proposed this well before he wrote his book.
The old TL group put on frilly dresses and got married and have tea parties every day now
I used to do typesetting but I assumed someone else was doing it, the other people were much better at it anyway.
>>288964411chop chop
>>288964411Having translations would help with getting typesetting done
Its all coming together.
>>288964530sex
>>288959454I always assumed that the people in the simulation that had special abilities (like sis and the gardener) would've been developers that worked for whatever company built the supercomputer and/or were responsible for the simulation itself. Who better to help run the simulation from the inside than the people who worked on it from the outside? Then again, that wouldn't explain why the gardener is a little girl.
https://mangadex.org/title/8e95570e-93a7-494d-8e83-bd755e3b631d/kaisou-toshi-danpenshuusomeone posted an english tl like 40 minutes ago
>>288965442Gardener is an AI, sis just poked at the simulation until it broke but otherwise she's a normal person
w-well?
>>288949395sorry to tell you anon but ... he jumped from the bridge some months ago
>>288965554Sis and Yomikawa mention being innately special,giving them more knowledge of the simulation. they aren't just smart normally. The really long woman near the end might be similar too or she could be another AI
>>288964238
>>288956436Especially the grunts, the guys on the ground and most likely to die really need that morale boost. And submarines in particular, from what I've heard and read, can be really fucked up to get deployed on. You're in a cramped environment with no sunlight, the subconscious knowledge you're deep underwater, and very limited contact outside.Granted under normal conditions, they'll serve steak on a semi-regular basis, but yeah. I do remember reading somewhere that leading up to D-Day in WWII, the troops were getting served excellent food every day until the actual mission.
>>288965528Guess I'll dump that
>>288965528neat, not much to say other than it's cute, kinda silly, and awkward. Looking forward to see how this series plays out after this chap
>>288965528Someone tell me how bad the TL job is.
>>288965528>>288966287litter.catbox.moe/crigx983fsmo65ft.cbz until 20260630 0200UTC
>>288966342y-you too
>>288966448cute, kinda silly and awkward anon...
Done
owari...
>>288966765
>>288966390>Minamo>>288966589>MisakiWhich one is it?
>>288967107why not both?>minamo misaki
>>288966638>"Nobody can be trusted. You VILL make a preemptive strike!">gets struck by the trustworthy cook with a frying pan
So was it a preemptive strike they could have prevented, or did it not matter since everyone is blowing each other up regardless?
>>288966415>only 6 hours of sleep, every single dayYou'd think that a small sleep deficit like that would start to affect your ability to concentrate long-term
>>288966765lol
>>288966726That was a really good short story. Thanks for posting
Pretty interesting so farLet's see where it goes after this
Is the tl good
>>288967956Yes, but I'd prefer the announcement >>288966363 be more stern and >>2889664152nd watch is bottom, left is 3rd
>>288961921She says that she will name the machine "Yocchan #2", which may or may not have implications about its purpose. It is extremely vague. She could just be being a bitch
>>288966711>It's all over, huh?i mean.... even a total nuclear war still leaves the planet habitable. cancer rates definitely go up, but it's not OVER. it's NEVER over. STAY HOPEPILLED
so what's the deal with tkmiz?
>>288968229They are pure, raw soul and existential dread.
>>288968229what's your deal, huh?
>>288967524it's a 18 hour cycle
>>288967524It's an 18 hour cycle. Also, you could use 2 hours of your free time to get a full 8 if you really wanted to. It's free time. You can do whatever you want with it.
>>288968229tkmiz didn't get heelys as a birthday present
No one can fucking draw anymore over there or what. Wtf is going on.
>>288946945Do you remember a time in your life when worrying about the nuclear apocalypse felt like a wacky historical curiosity?
>>288967464Going by the time gap, even if they made a strike, it wouldn't have stopped anything.
>>288969344It was right now, very nostalgic
Loved it, tkmiz still got it. I wonder if it's going to be a single volume or more.
>>288946487BIG METAL SAKANA
>>288966538She's going nuclear.
>>288970029Bravo fish
>>288966526>>288966538Barotrauma engineer player desperately fighting the demons telling them to overload the reactor and sink the sub, killing everyone on board.
>>288966711You know, up until reading the translation I was hoping those really were fireworks, like it's the new years eve, or something. That was stupid, admittedly.
>>288969344No.
>>288970621You might be an idiot
>>288969344I don't want to sound like I'm downplaying the severity of the issue, but a giant nuclear war wouldn't be enough to end civilization. It would be the most horrific self-inflicted event humanity has ever experienced, to be sure... but we would come out the other side. Worse for wear, but not sent back to the stone age. I want to reiterate that I'm not saying that it wouldn't be completely horrible in almost every conceivable way, it just wouldn't be the end of everything. In short: it's a little overblown. Not that that's really a bad thing, it's way better to blow nuclear war out of proportion than to minimize it, but still.
>>288971425It really depends on how many nukes they're willing to use.
>>288971425It’s nuko that actually ended it all. Not nuke
>>288971511Big if true
>>288971492There are only so many warheads, and humans are so spread out over the globe that even if you used them in the most optimal fashion for killing the maximum amount of people (instead of hitting critical military targets) you would run out of warheads after only killing several hundred million people. The real bummer would be the terrible global pollution that would result, but the increased toxicity and cancer wouldn't be enough to end humanity. I hope that we never have to find out what that's like, but I remain optimistic even in the event that the worst comes to pass.
>>288971573Target river sources for the radiation pollution long game.
>>288971587That's evil, man. Don't do that!
>>288966380It's good.
>>288971523It’s true, nuclear winter + that little shit gobbling up energetic materials
>>288966342>her reaction when you show her you dick
>>288967107might be tkmiz's slip up>>288967264both sound like first names
>>288967917i think the stories are going to be self contained each chapter
>>288966698>>288966711If Japan no longer exists, that implies the country was already nuked so I fail to understand why the submarine captain decided to become a moralfag when she received orders to launch her submarine's nuclear missiles.
>>288971752moralfags gonna moralfag
>>288971752Killing is badong
>>288971752Japan is expendable.
>>288971752uh i think the home country they're talking about isn't japan at all because it already doesn't exist anymore for the events of this manga
>>288971752If she fired the missiles it would result in more deaths, suffering and destructution. She made a good human decision and accepted that fighting against it wouldn't save anyone, just prolong the suffering and accepted her end, she's based.
>>288971712Will we need to puzzle everything together? I'm not good at that stuff
>>288971909That's some pussy shitThis is a MAD world, otherwise nukes don't work. How else will future generations know not to fuck around if you don't glass the planet?
>>288971954>How else will future generationsAnon, everyone would die regardless if she did something or not.
>>288971909They were just standing around for a while
thank you for translating and typesetting :) i like them
>>288971651>nuclear winterNuclear winter is not a real thing. It's a sensationalist cold war era theory meant to fearmonger people away from the war that even its own creator called improbable, and it's downright nonsensical once you look at it. On top of the fact that it hinges on all out nuclear war happening during the summer, it's riddled with questionable assumptions and far fetched statements.
>>288971752Oh my God you fucking retard, Japan stopped existing in the past.
>>288972282Real cute.
>>288971752>there are genuinely people out there that think like this
>>288972282Nice
>>288971653I said silly not 'small' tho
>>288971425The GLT universe suffered the major war that destroyed the megastructure proper with EMP, then society survived with progressively older technology which is how there are schizo WWII things scattered around. In that context this could be even more devastating as not all of the planet might be habitable to begin with due to the collapse of the megastructure.
I want to read the next chapter, how long it take to the new chapter come out?
well...
>>288972977I was speaking to his real world fears, not about the story. Sorry if that was unclear.
>>288972977Your narrative is lacking this.
>>288971425Supply chain collapse plus nuclear winter would send us back to subsistence farming
>>288972350It's all just the Greater Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere now.
>>288973675>nuclear winterNot a real thing.
It’s real if the superpowers set the coordinates to cause it.
>>288973675We'd just forget you can spin copper and make electricity and zap air and get nitrogen fertilizer?
>>288973913No it's not. "Nukes will totally create a massive wildfire that will totally not be stopped in any way and totally create enough smoke and ash to plunge the world into winter and it'll all totally make it high enough in the sky to cause that and not remain too close to the ground if they're dropped all at once at a specific time of year in specific places" is pants on head retarded.
>>288971607Most major cities are built by rivers and/or substantial bodies of water. Attacking cities with nukes means poisoning large amounts of fresh water by default.
>>288971752You should probably stop eating those crayons anon, they're affecting your brain
>>288974166Long term consequences of nukes are overstated. All the studies done on Hiroshima show the increase in cancer rates and mutations over the years are indistinguishable from regular carpet bombing. Nuclear weapons are also generally optimised for explosive potency and not radiation quantity.
I guess the lesson to be learned here is that nukes aren’t all that bad and we should use them more.
>>288974317Nearly every problem with the world right now would have been fixed if Chernobyl hadn't scared people away from investing into nuclear power.
>>288974134You lack imagination and an engineer mindset, it just seems trivial if the goal is to cause it deliberately.
>>288973135previous releases where on the 26th of each month, but this time it looks like it the next chapter will be out on the 31.7
>>288974267well technically the explosive potency and the radiation quantity are the same thing, but i understand your meaning haha. the amount of contamination caused by nuclear detonations is wildly overstated
>>288974398>it just seems trivialYou just fundamentally don't understand how things work. You're banking on an explosion setting off history's biggest wildfire, nothing coming to stop it, and it actually producing an effect dozens of times more severe than the biggest volcanic eruptions in recorded history.
>>288974398It is trivial if it's a city surrounded by mountains to reflect blast waves where the houses are conveniently made of paper and all have charcoal braziers in them
>>288974416>well technically the explosive potency and the radiation quantity are the same thingNot really when you get to H bombs, and in general you don't load them up with superfluous radioactive material unless you're specifically trying to poison the place (which is both a war crime and particularly retarded because you're making it uninhabitable for yourself as well).
>>288974526I was making a joke about thermal energy also being radiation.
Even if the nuclear winter math wasn't bogus the data is also 50 years out of date.
>>288974539I guess that might be true in English but heat isn't really the most relevant part of a nuke (or most bombs).
>>288974564not the most relevant, but if you have no matter to transfer the energy generated by your violent expansion to, you haven't done anything except make a brief fireball inside of a perfect vacuum
>>288974729Why are you trying to nuke aliens?
>>288974801They might be evil
This chapter doesn't really answer the question of how this submarine ended up on some higher layer of the city, but I suppose that can remain a mystery. I don't mind.
>>288974825It's clearly not the same submarine, just the same model.
>>288974843You think there was another sub of that kind with unlaunched nukes inside? I would rather think it's supposed to be the same because of that detail.
>>288974876Why does the future sub have decals the past one lacks?
>>288974825I think it's a different sub but also we really don't know for sure the timescale here. The events of SSR could still be generations away
>>288973918Try making copper wire with a hammer starting from ore, or the lubricants needed to keep it spinning without oil, and don't get me started on all the shit you need to make fertilizer from atmospheric nitrogen, just knowing the theory behind it doesn't help if you don't have all the infrastructure and supply chain that lets you put it to use
>>288974916>Try making copper wire with a hammer starting from oreWhy would I need to do that when I can go steal from the power lines?
>>288974916>on all the shit you need to make fertilizer from atmospheric nitrogenOr you can just do what people in the middle ages had already figured out and add nitrogen fixers to your crop rotation.
>>288974961Exactly, go back to subsistence farming
>>288974985>he's not already farming right now Lol. Lmao.
>>288974916>if you don't have all the infrastructure and supply chain that lets you put it to useYou seem to assume nukes would personally go and melt everything instead of mostly killing the people and leaving things damaged by repairable.
My big hope for the series is more on the AI/nuko religion.
>>288974916>every electric motor will melt>every power plant and off the grid homestead will get a personalized warhead>plants and animals will stop producing usable oils>iron will no longer be possible to workThat does sound pretty bad
>>288974937This is a good point. If our civilization gets reset, we will live off the trash of the previous civilization. There was at least one scifi novel that described this, and how the later generations returned to living like ancient tribal cultures, because the old civilization trash rotted away or the supply was exhausted, nobody knew how to build new stuff, and eventually all the wisdom got lost. For the younger generations, the old civilization was abstract, ancient history.SSR also does this to a degree, where Yuuri and Chito use low-tech to get by in a world full of technology nobody understood anymore. The new (shabby) elevator that was built outside on the hull of the broken down ancient elevator was an impressive example.
>>288975066>Do (You) know how to operate/maintain an electric motor?>Do (You) know how to operate/maintain a power plant?>Do (You) know how to get usable oils from animals?>Do (You) know how to work iron?You don't know shit and chat gippity won't be there to save you.
>>288975214Yeah I loved the parts of SSR where you can see how people made do in the past and how those methods are now left to rot just as much as the original tech. Like whoever made an elaborate guided path to the ration factory which doesn't matter now because the potatoes are all gone. Or whoever built the new bridge on the side of the other elevator tower hundreds of feet off the ground which the girls destroy by driving over it
>>288975434Gee, if only we put down the entirety of human knowledge in physical receptacles and made sure to put them wherever possible.
>>288975434
>>288975702>Look at that subtle metallic sheen>The tasteful minimalism of its presentation>Oh my god, it even has a bookmark
>>288975434projectionyou're only saying this because (You) don't know shit
>>288975795You're decidedly arrogant and will die first when an apocalypse happens.
>>288975702Based, now show us how you build a steam engine and all the associated material from scratch
>>288975872And you will survive until the end because people smarter than you will rebuild everything to be comfy enough before you manage to die.
>>288975936>from scratchYou wouldn't be starting from scratch either way, but the basic mechanism to convert boiling water into motion is extremely easy to put together.
>>288976022Our current civilization is too complex to recreate them from scratch. If everyone goes well after an apocalypse, we'd live as comfortably as 200 or 300 years ago from now.If anything goes wrong, millions of people will die simply because it's not possible to produce enough food and water.
>>288976034>but the basic mechanism to convert boiling water into motion is extremely easy to put together.Then do it
>>288976138>too complex to recreate from scratch>but not too complex to be reduced to scratch
>>288976138Just all the food that would quickly rot once refrigeration goes offline would cause massive problems
>>288975936I don't feel like stitching together a bunch of pictures, but those books contain information about both machines, materials, and processes. You would have to extrapolate a little here and there, but it explains the principles behind the creation of useful modern materials such as steel and various composits while also explaining the principles behind various types of steam engines. It details the function and parts of various useful electronic devices as well as things like plumbing and even how toilets work. It has diagrams showing how to create vessels for proper smelting of metals and describes the principles behind machines that manufacture parts. Everyone should own a set just in case the world blows up! Read a book!
>>288976034Making metal that will hold steam under useful pressure is not. (You need the Cannon achievement before you can get the Steam Engine.)
>>288976216You'll die and not be remembered no matter how many books you read. But read books anway to get along with the zetsubou
>>288976328Think about it this way: if the universe can be reduced down to a very large series of reversible events, then everything that exists carries with it the information of everything that came before it and everything that ever will be. In that way it is impossible to be forgotten, you were inevitable.
>>288976216Now build any of those things without relying on the existing supply chains
>>288976414It would be very difficult, but if I had ten or fifteen able men to help me start processing natural materials like clay and wood into things like pottery, bricks, charcoal, tools, and whatnot, we might be able to achieve some interesting things in just a few years assuming you allow for, say, taking scrap from the hypothetical destroyed world.
>>288976463Notice how you left out the 100 subsistance farmers needed to sustain your 10 rennaissance men fucking around with scrap metal
>>288976542>canned food doesn't exist>farmers willing to give up a little of their extra for people who can bring the technological marvels in living memory wouldn't existAnd this is still begging the point of whether civilization would be totally wiped in the first place (it would not be)
>>288976542Why does everything have to be a gotcha argument with you people?
>>288975702There was a whole chapter dedicated to showing a huge library and there was a whole chapter dedicated to a fish breeding facility with automatons. Knowledge wasn't enough to rebuild the city and restore life. The most prominent book in GLT was Arthur Schopenhauers' The World as Will and Representation and the conversation between Chito and Yuuri was hinting at the main point of of this book: that humanity is not driven by reason or purpose, but by the Will, an unconscious, unceasing drive to exist, grow, and consume.So basically the author strikes down all speculations about what the protagonists or the rest of humanity could have done or should have done, because these speculations wrongly assume that humanity is driven by reason and purpose driven which is not true in the world of GLT and therefore GLT is consistent with its own philosophy.However the author does seem to present an optimistic spin on the following quote:>A man is never happy, but spends his whole life in striving after something that he thinks will make him so; he seldom attains his goal, and when he does, it is only to be disappointed; he is mostly shipwrecked in the end, and comes into harbour with mast and rigging gone. And then, it is all one whether he is happy or miserable; for his life was never anything more than a present moment always vanishing; and now it is over.”
>>288976542No, we would need more than subsistence farming. It was assumed that we would be practicing agriculture. The first thing you need to start rebuilding society is a surplus of food, not enough to get by. We would need to sort a lot of things out before messing with machines. You were talking to two people. I never made any claims. I just posted the books that contain knowledge when you made a post about requiring knowledge to do things. I didn't say that I could single handedly build an engine from scratch. That wasn't me. Other guy.
>>288976618I'll admit to you that I'm not certain if we're talking about the real world or tkmiz's version of the world. I was under the impression that we were discussing reality, as in the reality of a hypothetical nuclear war and how people might recover from it. I think we might be getting somewhat off topic now that I think about it.
>>288976599>Guys I could totally rebuild civilization, all I need is a civilization willing to back me up while I do it!!
real heady stuff goin on in here, guys. but what did you think of the manga? you know... the thing this thread is about?
>>288976811I'm liking it so far. I'm interested to see what things tkmiz thinks are worth revealing about his little world. I think it will be fun. I hope we get more than just a few chapters.
>>288976325Such a shame that nukes will demoleculise all the metal on Earth, right?
>>288949395Told you so
People have been able to survive on islands after shipwrecks but anon thinks if his internet stops working he'll die of starvation.
>>288976745Why are you acting like the personal links between family, friends, and community will also be nuked and we will be cast naked without language into the lone and dreary world
>>288976718Real world civilizational destruction is hypothetical, tkmiz world is a reflection of depression and loneliness and serves that role much better than as any kind of projection (and it's intentionally in this post-post-post-post-apocalyptic dreamworld for that purpose)
>>288976972Yeah, I understand. I don't know why we're having this silly discussion anymore. I was just trying to calm the fears of an anon who was worried about nuclear war irl. I didn't mean for this to happen.
>>288976947For that matter why is he assuming all electricity will be gone as if the nukes will personally target each and every power plant>but muh fuel supply chainsI'm sure hydroelectric / solar / nuclear / wind power gives a shit about that, anon.Cars and fuel in general are the big thing that'll be hit alongside long range infrastructures and communication but unless you assume every building in every backwater village is being razed to the ground then society will very much survive at a local level.>the personal links between family, friends, and communityPlease understand he has none of those.
>>288977048>For that matter why is he assuming all electricity will be gone as if the nukes will personally target each and every power plantYou think critical infrastructure won't be the main target?
>>288977048>society will very much survive at a local level.Exactly, civ just goes back to subsistence farming
>>288977188sending millions of dollars of plutonium to blast the coal plant in Rivadero Argentina because idk why not>>288977250But it needs to stay in subsistence farming even less than it did the last time
>>288977325>coal plant in Rivadero ArgentinaGood luck getting enough coal to run it without supply chains
we're gonna get kicked off the board if we have giant hours long off topic arguments in every thread. can we please restrain ourselves? you don't have to stop this one, it's way too late for that now. just try and avoid it in the next one, yeah? i don't want /tkmiz/ to be banished...
>>288977348*runs truck on firewood*
>>288977348Yeah, good luck getting enough gravity to run the hydroelectric dams in northern Italy once the nukes destroy traditional physics.
>>28897654210 farmers could sustain 100 people even in feudal times
>>288977250A) local level doesn't imply subsistence farming B) satellite based communications will be unaffected
>>288977475Kind of trying to bring it back in, the Girls Last Tour world wasn't impossible to rebuild at all, and the people who recovered from whatever BS apocalypse wiped the big city were perfectly capable of reconstructing cool WW2 hardware from records, and were probably doing all right back where the girls started all things considered; the issue was that war is inherent in the heart of man and purity is impossible to sustain, something very close to tkmiz
>>288977494>Dams won't be targeted by nukesI already knew you were retarded but come on
>>288977592The issue is that whatever destroyed the GLT world permanently altered the climate beyond its ability to sustain human (or indeed most) life. A single fish is just about all the fauna we see in the wild and it turns out to have likely escaped an artificial enclosure.
>>288977749>in the wildto be fair, they don't ever go down to ground level and inspect the ocean. there could still be plenty of marine life down there, even if none of it is useful for human consumption
>>288977713>poison the environment and destroy the infrastructure of the country you're trying to conquer
>>288977551>satellite based communications will be unaffected>Implying the antennas will be unaffected either >Implying the power plants and power lines needed to run the antennas will be unaffected >Implying the servers that run the internet will be unaffected>Implying no one will detonate a few nukes in space with the specific intent to knock down the satellites
>>288977803>He thinks the point of a full scale nuclear attack os to conquer ground lol, lmao even
>>288977713>tiny low output dams will be prioritized over large coal plants
>>288977803Yes. Look at contemporary real life warfare.
>>288977862Why not both?, is not like there's not enough nukes for all
Let's say anon is right and he rebuilds civilization but a little worse. What happens when his civilization collapses? and the one after that? This is the world seen in GLT it is literally explicitly laid out that that is what happened.
>>28897781512,000 nukes (being generous, many of them probably don't work or are waiting to be decommissioned) just isn't enough to eradicate global supply chains permanently. Everything is too spread out. If you used all 12,000 to target logistical infrastructure, you haven't targeted population centers and now the big cities will just dispatch massive work forces who no longer have anything to do to rebuild everything. 12,000 sounds like a lot. But the planet is big. Really big.
>>288977953GLT actually makes lots of sense, after a societal collapse the twch needed to build and maintain the layered cities would be out of reach for several generation but returning to basics and then build up back to ww1 or 2 levels could be reasonable within just one or two generations
>>288977592>the issue was that war is inherent in the heart of man and purity is impossible to sustain.Not just war. Yuuri wanted to eat Nuko, Yuuri wanted to eat the last remaining fish and Yuuri wants to burn books to stay warm. She represents the impulsive and practical side of humanity and she's not even wrong but it's easy to see how a lack of long term thinking contributed to the failure to rebuild.
>>288976618Seeing The World as Will and Representation show up one shot me. I guess I am destined to just like the same 1 thing over and over.
>>288977953The only thing that weirded me out about GLT is that the megacity seems like more of a multi-planetary civilization type feat. Like you would need to be doing extensive space mining and bringing resources from asteroid belts to get that amount of material, cuz extracting it from Earth's crust would have you run out fast at that massive of a scale, assuming those layered cities are commonplace during their time. I can forgive it because the environments are cool, though.
Yuuri would EAT the last book!
>>288978096Who's to say it wasn't?
>>288977815>>antennasI know you're retarded but you really shouldn't talk about things you don't know. The whole point of the satellite network is allowing for communication to the rest of the world from areas that are isolated from the rest of civilisation like the desert or the ocean. The hardware required to connect to it is a briefcase's worth. It's exactly the kind of thing that wouldn't be affected.
>>288978111Please don't eat her
>>288978021>Implying you need one nuke per power plant >Implying nuking the power plant won't affect the city it resides in>Implying large scale organization will be quick after the government buildings get nuked
>>288977953>ancient Mesopotamia collapsed >bronze age civilisation collapsed >ancient Egypt collapsed>Rome collapsed >Russia collapsed >somehow technology keeps moving forward Reality has such unrealistic writing am I right?
>>288978127It'll be very useful to be able to connect to the internet when all the severs running the internet are either gone or have no power
>>288978214>Things will keep improving forever for Trillions of yearsyou missed the point. Everything has an end.
>>288978123Nobody, I guess. But then it's weird that nobody has come back to check on ol Terra from whatever space colonies they're living in. It's possible that they've just abandoned the entire planet, but even as a blasted wreckage of nothing but megastructures and oceans, Earth is still a more livable planet than any of the next most habitable contenders in our vicinity. Maybe the space people have an ideology that forbids ever going back to Earth or something.
>>288978214Your brain is about to collapse too. Post potatoes.
>>288976618Schoppy was a depressed cuck and a teacher so bad he got his students stolen by known retarded coward Hegel.
Just read the chapter. You'd think you'd try and talk it out a bit before pulling your gun. This same thing apparently happened during the Cuban Missile Crisis where a Russian ship lost contact and thought maybe the nukes had flown. They just narrowly avoided launching their own nukes.
>>288978269>Everything has an end.even reality itself? everything is a powerful word
>>288978276If interstellar civilization collapsed, things could easily get that bad on Earth before anyone got their shit together enough to come back to check on it.
>>288978129>>government buildingsLocated in the cities you established you're not bombing. All the nukes in the world aren't enough to end the US's civilisation, much less the world.
>>288977475No
>>288978096As we speak there's an increase of urbanization and environmental protection, so it's not hard to imagine that people are going to live like this in the near future. If humanity insists on increasing population density, multilevel megastructures don't seem far off either.
>>288978342The property has been pretty scale invariant so far. We just keep falling back to the next layer every time we learn enough about the previous layer to learn of its eventual death. Even If I concede an eternal Monad it doesn't really matter for the levels of reality we are discussing here.
>>288978446>multilevel megastructures don't seem far offMaybe in some form or fashion, but the ones depicted in GLT are some true sci-fi stuff. Realistically, the supports are too far apart from each other for a structure of that size and height and the layer is too thin for it not to sag. So there must be some supertech stuff goin on to keep things from falling apart. We clearly see that large parts of the layered city have just collapsed, which is what you would expect from something that size if whatever tech keeping it standing stopped working. It's spacer tech for sure
>>288978214This, it only takes a few hundred years of subsistence farming before society starts advancing again
>>288978398>He still thinks you need a muke for each important building
>>288978296>depressed cuckDepressive realism is better than wishful thinking.
>>288978445why you little!!!
>>288978296Am I the only one that doesn't give a shit about his ethics in the second half and just really like the ontology from the first half
>>288978544Subsistence farmers when the black swan event they can't overcome walks in:
Which girl's your favorite? For me it's minamo-chan.
>>288978920I liked Misaki-chan
>>288978920cooks are always good. but i won't lie, she does remind me of a certain someone
>>288978920For me, its the Captain.
>>288978877black swan events when the era of prosperity and good fortune walks in:
>>288979016>Who let this bitch onto my submarine?>You did, ma'am.
>>288978127You got a point with the client antennas, but most satellite servers rely on centralized host services, which keep the thing running. Also satellites may need maintenance either from ground control, or even from space. Some maintenance free satellite systems exist, but they rely on replacing faulty satellites.
>>288979055That was great
>>288966711Wow, I'm glad tkmiz is back
>>288978236Oh my God you goddamned ignorant fucking retard. It's not a fucking Internet connection. It's a communication network. We have an independent, satellite based communication network. It doesn't rely on ground hardware and it doesn't fucking connect you to ground infrastructure. It sends information through the satellites and as long as you have access to it you have a direct line of communication to everyone else who does. Just admit you're a stupid fucking zoomer who has no idea what a phone is.
>>288979194Who's going to rebuild and maintain and let everyone know about the new DNS servers? You?
>>288979194>He keeps ignoring how high altitude nuke detonations would knock down most satellites
>>288978269>>Trillions of yearsEarth will become uninhabitable in 5 billion years. Humanity as a species will go extinct or evolve to be unrecognizable in less than millions. But we're talking about civilisations, and the scale on which civilisations are measured is a billion times smaller than "trillions of years." So yeah. Until a catastrophic event irreparably wiped out the Earth things are going to keep improving, and the "but it has to end eventually reeee" point is so far in the future it may not be humanity any more and certainly not as we know it, so it's a retarded thought experiment that exists only to trap idiots who think they're smart. "The Sun is going to run out" isn't a serious fear you should have once your age is past single digits.
>>288978533>It's spacer tech for sureHow does the Doomsday argument and its objections apply to GLT?It's highly unlikely to be born, live and die as the last of the human species. Should Chito and Yuuri therefore assume there will be many more human beings somehow? Or is it highly likely to be born as Chito or Yuuri because the human population grows exponentially and therefore most human beings are born at the end of human history?
>>288979378>Technology will always keep moving forward>No it won't>OK, you are right that it won't but I am still right because..... I just am OK? stop being a child!
>>288979478>green text nonsenseWe have reached the lowest layer!
>>288979404What? I was just talking about buildings. idk what you're talkin about. Have you mistaken me for another anon?
>>288978276They do come back right after the manga ends to pick up those dumb females that showed up on top of the megastructure
>>288976898I'll believe it.
Why didn’t the sub stock eggs? Missed opportunity to not eat some eggs.
>>288979537According to the Doomsday argument it's highly unlikely that humanity will spread into space. That's the connection.
It's become clear at this point that Tkmiz can only write like 5 different characters over and over, but I love them so much that I will allow it.
>>288979556>Somebody upload these potatoes stat
>>288979590Ok. But I'm not saying anything about liklihoods. They built a giant ass building that defies physics. They can go to space if they want to. That's my thesis
>>288979588In general I've wondered why the protagonists need to travel so much to find water, food, and fuel. Are we to assume that most reserves have already been scavenged for a long time?
>>288979016>sex with her>"I'm making a bet on today being a safe day">become a father
>>288979663>"I told you it was a bad bet"
>>288979643Doesn't this soft-confirm the fact that they have spaceships. I guess they could be speaking about sci-fi spaceships.
>>288978582Assume every nuke will have an area of effect 4 times of the Fat ManAssume you only need to cover 1/4 of the US's soil Pretend nukes cover ground in a square pattern and not in a circle so you don't have awkward gapsThat still takes you 100'000 nukes1/8 of the area of the US and 8 times the area of effect is still over twice as many nukes as exist right now Just for the US
>>288979737We have spaceships
>>288978588>Depressive realismOxymoron. Realism is inherently not depressive because depression is an unnatural chemical imbalance in the brain. Your depressive thoughts are as true to reality as a schizophrenic's delusions.
>>288978920Nacchi...
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>>288979298>I'm only going to target power sources and supply lines>actually I'm targeting the environment and cities >actually space nukes>>288979263Wait until you find out we had telephones before the Internet.
>>288979895Who is going to operate the switchboard? You?
Before this thread dies I want to say I'm happy that tkmiz is back with another manga and that I hope to have many nice threads with fellow nice /tkmiz/friends, ignore ragebaiters.Regarding the chapter itself I think this fits the idea of an SSR prequel quite nicely, the girls are a classic tkmiz duo and quite cute. Also this was a surprisingly long chapter given that tkmiz's chapters are usually shorter, though I suppose it may just be longer since it is the first chapter. The only slightly dissapointing thing is that so far there was no crazy creative work with the panels of the comic like tkmiz did with ShimSim.I know it's meant to be an anthology, but I wonder if that means we'll get a different duo of a blonde and raven haired cute girl each chapter or if we'll see these two again, I think I'd like to see them again
>>288979478>civilisation won't always advance because a meteorite will fall If the event that ends civilisation is independent and external then it is not an inherent flaw of the progress of civilisation itself like you claim it is. If it's inevitable and impossible to anticipate then effort spent worrying about it is wasted. This is like arguing you shouldn't get out of bed because you might slip and fall, which is the exact opposite message of GLT by the way.
>>288979643All of humanity survived in space capsules. Did you forget about SS?
>>288979984Why are you assuming I think the effort is wasted and we should give up. I didn't say that
>>288979926Yes, the incentives to maintain a civilization after the end will be entirely individual and nobody will be willing to offer anyone enormous amounts of gold, food, booze, and sluts to people who can read the Switchboard Operation For Dummies book
>>288979946>no crazy creative work with the panels of the comic like tkmiz did with ShimSimWell that was more nearing the end of the manga if I recall correctly, wasn't it? To better signify the reality as they knew it falling apart, and whatnot. I'm sure if this touches on similar subjects we'd get to see it as well.>different duo of a blonde and raven haired cute girlI just hope to see Ishii's story, she seems to be the cover character, or atleast someone that looks similar.
>>288979926If a woman can do it then so can you.
>>288979946I'm assuming we will be getting longer one-shot chapters, with maybe some longer fragments that last a single digit number of chapters.
>>288979946ShimSim spends something like 10 chapters being a standard 4koma before the fish spirits dream chapter starts messing with the panel structure, and even then it goes back to being fairly regular afterwards for a while. The panel cage breaks apart in tandem with the reality within the story which is part of what would make it near impossible to adapt in anime form.
>>288980038Ishii is great and all, but we basically saw her story in full.
>>288980015i forgor
>>288980187Somewhat. I just have a thing for women in glasses.
>>288979643I'm saying that the logical consequence of your thesis is that the human population must have been so incredibly vast, that Chito and Yuuri find themselves in circumstances so exceptional it's absurd. In b4:>Yeah duh dealing with the absurd is the point of the story.I'm saying there's a next step in this line of thought. Because it's so exceptional to be in exceptional circumstances (the end of human history), maybe the right conclusion is that Chito and Yuuri are not at the end of human history at all.
>>288979662We don't know when the apocalypse happened but based on the camera's date SSR takes place about 1000 years after our current date. Even if we assume the apocalypse happened 500 years from now, that's still 500 years after the apocalypse to when the story takes place. There was still some semblance of civilization when they were kids but it's obvious the whole thing didn't happen in the 10 or whatever years between when they left home and when the story takes place.
>>288980230I feel like a chapter would be 'wasted' on her, considering we have already seen that era and she went though her arc.But that being said If we do get more Ishii I would love that as well. Her arc is my favourite in the whole manga I think
>>288980231I see.
>>288979815Most people are not depressed because they're unreasonably biased towards optimism. Most people overestimate themselves. Most people attribute fortunate happenings to their own efforts and misfortunate happenings to circumstances.
>>288979815The strongest and simplest argument for reality being pessimistic, is that if you do nothing, bad things will happen to you.
>>288980435Reality doesn't have a position. Nature isn't cruel, it just is. It shouldn't sadden you to learn that doing nothing will kill you. Is drinking water and consuming sustenance really so much of an imposition as to be worthy of sadness? What are we doing here?
>>288980435>I do nothing >GLT gets a prequel Checkmate, pessimists.
>>288980498I don't mean pessimistic in the sense we should cry and mope about life being unfair. But nature is 'cruel' in the sense that a significant amount of effort has to be consumed to stay in place and counteract entropy. We should be optimistic and fight to build structures against this, but that doesn't mean reality isn't 'pessimistic' in this way.
>>288979612I like the guy, but I wish he would branch out a bit.
>>288980435>waaaa I have to put effort in my life and won't be rewarded and mollycoddled for merely existing like a brainless single celled organism >how dare I need to earn my happiness and be myself the actor of goodness into reality instead of being hooked 24/7 to the magical feel good machine as compensation for coming into this world No wonder you fags are depressed.
>>288980630Just read his loli piss hentai if you want more from him.
>>288980650you just hallucinated a completely new guy, but ok.
>>288980498>Is drinking water and consuming sustenance really so much of an imposition as to be worthy of sadness?I don't know about that other anon, but for me it is an imposition worthy of sadness, because we are born and made dependent on others to provide our basic needs while those others don't have our best interest in mind and therefore tend to exploit us as much as possible rather than to give us a fair quid pro quo.This means that nature is cruel, because nature is such that>“For to everyone who has, more shall be given, and he will have an abundance; but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away.In other words: there will forever be a small group of people exploiting a large group of people with little to no upwards mobility. This part of nature is against the other part of nature which is to self-actualize. Therefore nature certainly is cruel.
>>288980435If you feel what I think you mean, and not what the other anon said, that's still a very strange way of looking at things. Of course defying the needs we have as humans would be bad for you. And if your pessimism gets to the point you object the way nature works, that's a whole other problem.
>>288980622>local man rediscovers cosmicism like we ever forgot about it Reading Howard's stories should be a prerequisite to be on this site.>a significant amount of effort has to be consumed to stay in place "Now, here, you see, it takes all the running you can do, to keep in the same place."Dodgson's too.
>>288980694I'm not really interested in discussing what you perceive as societal injustices. If you want freedom from these hierarchies and the chains of basic needs, you can always just die.
>>288980763That's exactly what I'm struggling with and why I'm reading such manga: to accept struggle or accept death.
>>288980784Well good luck with that, buddy.
>>288980732Reality is pessimistic and we should be (have to be?) optimistic within it, its not that crazy of a philosophy. To say reality/time/nature/entropy/the universe is a destructive/negative/pessimistic force is hardly editorializing in my opinion. For some reason people always act like Nihilism follows from this automatically, when I don't think it does. Hope in a hopeless world seems to be tkmiz's thesis after all.
>>288980694>those others don't have our best interest in mind and therefore tend to exploit us as much as possible>there will forever be a small group of people exploiting a large group of peopleThese two statements are at odds. If evil is in man, how is it restricted to minority in its application? Moreover, how can you believe "others" have no good intentions while you yourself are clearly not like that? It seems much more that you're in the common trap of believing yourself the only one who sees reality for what it is, when you're merely seeing a warped version of it. If you don't hate others, why do you assume they must all be worse than you?
