Volume 58Naruto Vs.ItachiChapter 552: To Be a Hokage...!!https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/274143504Previous thread:>>289018988
OP? u can start at any minute
>>289038346Had some sudden trouble, I'll post in 10 minutes
>>289038346((THEY)) took him
Can we take a minute to appreciate how great the previous chapter was? I mean PAIN at full health getting one-shot by Itachi's chakra mech, wow that was really masterful writing there
>>289038475>What if Nagato was TRAPPED and BETRAYED inside Itachi's blade and forced to never hear Konan's moans again!?!?
>>289038496>He HATES IT
>>289038518heh
OP?
>>289038542The absolute BALLS on Kishimoto to bring back Itachi only to wank him MORE
>>289038621>>289038632You bought a pass?
>>289038516WHERE DID HE GET THE FUCKING KUNAI FROM!?!?? HE'S AN EDO ZOMBIE
>>289038663...Itachi was the true hokage... a real hero...
>>289038663>Kurenai in there as if she's still the teams mentor.
>>289038653>.........>...?>>289038675>...>...>>289038690>...!>...Who writes this shit
>>289038632>>289038645>>289038653Itachi is now just spouting a bunch of shitty platitudes like he's a wise figure after he admits he planned to brainwash his "beloved" brother in case he turned on Konoha.
B&W
>>289038690>You won't be able to use it against Sasuke!Jesus christ Naruto, you WANTED Sasuke to lose all free will?
>>289038734>>289038751These chunin and jonin are acting like Genin.>>289038763That wind? Universal level.
>>289038690>YOU HAVE SHISUI'S SOULOh god just shut the fuck up already
>>289038763Temaricoin skyrocketed to the top.
>>289038751I don't think this war is the right time to have a gag moment like this.
>>289038690I mean you could've just given Naruto the eye to seal it away and use it again in 10 years in case it was needed (retard).Hell, you could've had Naruto beat Sasuke up, lock him up for 10 years and then use Kotoamatsukami on him to get him to be a good guy again. Apparently, clearly neither Naruto nor Itachi are above that.
>>289038690So Naruto is not only the reincarnation of Asura but also Shisui?Like how Sasuke is also the reincarnation of Kimimaro?
Done!
>>289039032>>289039018>>289038796>>289038781Arigatou, OP!
>>289038632We just forgot about this huh
>>289038496>>289038516KWAB
How does Kishi expect me want Sasuke to come back to the leaf if he has no real friends?I tip my hat to Kishimoto, he somehow managed to make me think that not only is Sasuke not worth redemption but also that the people trying to save him aren't worthy of his friendship.
>>289038663OH MY GOD OH MY GODITACHI PLEASE BE MY HOKAGEILL SUCK YOUR DICK ILL LET YOU FUCK MY WIFEYOU'RE SO WISE AS A HOKAGE SHOULD BETSUNADE GO BACK INTO KITCHEN AND MAKE BABIES ALREADY, YOU NO LONGER HAVE TO BE A REPLACEMENT HOKAGE!
>>289038763This would have killed alive 3rd
>>289038980I wish I finished the “HES JUST LIKE HIM” compilation from the original storytime. Everyone from gaara to dan os actually naruto
>>289038542>I hate this jutsu, it makes you fight people you don't want to!>Are all the fights like this?Only the Choji-Asuma fight, everyone else was pretty fine with it
>>289038653>even Itachi knew that Minato was Naruto's dad>but we couldn't tell Naruto because reasons >or the rest of the village because reasons
>>289038542>are all the battles like this???Even worse, Naruto. Some battles you actually have to kill people. Not that Naruto would ever have to worry about that. Whenever someone needs killing, someone else kills them after Naruto beats them up so he remains squeaky clean and spotless. Isn't that convenient?
>>289038496>ZWOP
>>289038516Ah yes, few kunai in giant monster eyes renders them literally blind. How convinient
>>289038621>>289038632>>289038645>>289038653>>289038663>>289038675This whole exchange is so forced and out of character for everyone involved
>>289039475To be fair if it wasn't for Tobi, Sasuke may have just gone back to the leaf village and been pardoned for everything he did.I mean for fucks sake, Tsunade didn't even bother pursuing him at all because capturing the criminal ninja might have hurt Naruto and Sakura's feelings.
>>289038645>>289038653>>289038663Of all the people who could remind Naruto of the importancer of friends and people in generalItachi is definitely not the right person for the jon
>>289039684HOKAGE LEVEL WISDOM AT 5 YEARS OLD DUDE
>>289039599>Sasuke may have just gone back to the leaf village and been pardoned for everything he did.Sasuke didn't want to go back to Konoha after killing Orochimaru despite the fact that the leaf would be more than willing to let him Hunt Itachi.He would just fuck off and keep minding his business somewhere else.
>>289038690>You, Naruto, remind me so much of ShisuiShisui, the same guy who prefered to kill himself instead of working with Itachi to stop the conflictYep, I can see the resemblance
>>289039787Kek
>>289038690>Itachi: this time, I'll leave Sasuke to you>Naruto in his mind: that reminds me of that other time when Itachi told me he'll leave Sasuke to me!
Who would win.Six Paths of Pain controlled by Nagato or Edo Nagato piloted by Kabuto?
>>289038475How can chakra, holding chakra, seal something away seemingly forever?>>289038516How did Itachi know about the shared vision thing?>>289038645>The village finally accepted youHe's speaking about post pain arc right? How did he know?
>>289039894Six Paths of Pain stomps. Edo Nagato lacks mobility + is controlled by Kabuto who is barely trying out Rinnegan powers like a kid.
>>289039888>>289038690Wait, where the fuck is the blood from the eye coming from? Edos can't bleed.
>>289038516why is an invisible spirit-soul-thingie affected by kunai in the first place? How did Itachi even see it, I thought it only touched Naruto?
>>289039918Do not take him lightly, he has powers.
>>289039936Interesting.
>>289038645>>289039918Funny thing is, the village already accepted Naruto as part of their own after he broke Neji's jaw in front of an entire stadium, the only difference now is that they see him as a hero.
>>289038690>no, I mean why are you killing an innocent, helpless animal, what the fuck is wrong with you
>>289039962Apparently the one who isn't used for interrogation can be seen by everyone. Naruto recalls it as the jutsu used to revive the other Pains and everyone sees it when Nagato revives the ones who died in the village.
>>289038496is this better or worse than getting sealed in the reaper?
>>289038751at this point I actually hope the shinobi alliance loses the war desu
>>289040127That sounds really stupid
Type of shit Orochimaru should have done if Kishi wasn't a hater
>>289038516SOLO KING>>289038665summoning scrolls
>>289038418he had to fight off like 4 or 5 sakurafags at once
>>289038516>>289038665SOLO KING
>>289038475bye bye nagato, hope you enjoy the eternal gank gourd
>>289039105'fraid so
>>289040204Where did he get the scrolls from?
Chances are that Nagato's soul was freed from the gourd after Itachi's reanimation was cancelled, but it's still really funny to imagine Nagato just spends eternity in genjutsu hell while Orochimaru got out (and while Ame stayed a shithole even in Boruto).
>>289038719>So here's this giant enemy clam...
>>289038516This did not happen.
This storytime made me realize that I like Itachi less and less after his introduction arc in Part 1 every time he reappears.
>>289038751the ninja stooges
>>289038645Only the soloking can break through Naruto's savior complex.
>>289038748it was me, john m kishimoto
>>289038719Why did they attack him if he told them not to? Are they retarded?
they are so fucking cool
>>289038632>>289038645>>289038653>>289038663>>289038675>>289038690what a relevant and poignant lesson naruto learned about reliance and trust. i'm sure he'll take it to heat and not try to to th exact same shit in a sequel manga to repeated failure, his only take away from the conversation being he's too tired to one man army everyone and immediately save sasuke
Thank god Naruto is coming to win every single battle for the otherwise useless Shinobi forces, including the five Kage.
>>289038665>>289040204>>289040288yeah man summoning scrolls! he made a pat with the kunai clans
>>289038690A regular human could have snapped the neck of the crow but Itachi preferred to use his eye bleeding sickness to burn it alive after it did his bidding all that time
>>289040184u could have a reanimated Rin all to yourself...
>>289038665>>289040288didn't sauce summon some out of a type of tattoo on his wrists?
>>289038719>>289038734>>289038751>are these the ninjas i fought so many wars for?>maybe i wasted my life
>>289040606The mist guy had a scroll to summon the legendary swords and Sasuke summoned a shuriken when he fought Itachi
>>289040702Obito being a creep like that would have made his character somewhat interesting
>>289038719>>289038734>>289038751Konoha Jonin aren't shit without Kakashi and Guy.
>>289038719>>289038751I love this Mizukage.
>>289040755Oh yeah I meant him, totally, what a creep thing would be right
>>289040897Kakashi and Guy should have had a rank of their own. Even in Part 1 average Jonin lose to shit like trying small knives against a huge sword, getting baited by explosive clones (which Kishi realized was broken since no one but Deidara used them again), and using Genjutsu against Itachi Fucking Uchiha.
>>289039787Naruto's most relatable moment
>>289040979He just shouldn't have made the average jonin shit and he wouldn't need an extra rank.
>>289040979Kurenai did better against Itachi than Kakashi.
>>289041084Kurenai would have died to an explosive clone if Kakashi hadn't pushed her away. Although Kakashi also took the retarded decision of trying to tank Tsukuyomi with his normal ass Sharingan.
>>289041079There IS an extra rank, tokubetsu, but he did nothing with it.
at the height of Naruto's popularity did fans ever keep track of how much bullshit chakra Naruto could spam for clones with each their own chakra mode
>>289041136Well it's a rank below jonin and he already made jonin jobbers...
The war arc does nothing except genuinely shit all over every established character for the last 550 chapters. Its incredible.>>289038475Orochimaru is in this too. Oro shoulda taken over nagato and got the zombie rinnegan and went full retarded if this was how it's gonna go (kabuto resurrection stuff). Kabuto shoulda revived only a few zombies like nagato. Itachi seals nagato. Oro steals his body somehow in this infinite void space. Oro is final villain.Instead Oro somehow comes out of anko while still being in susanno and is just a good guy plz forgibi i fucking hate this arc
>>289041158Couldn't he just retcon all the fodder jonin into Tokubetsu?
>>289041119Kurenai didn't know/work with Itachi nor did she had anything else better to throw at him.Her mistakes seem far more sensible than Kakashi trying to brute force his sharingan against the guy who genocided the Uchiha.
Unironically, how did anyone kept liking Naruto as a character? He's so fucking unlikable now.
>>289041204Itachi making a MISTAKE?! You need some media literacy. It would be OOC for Itachi to do something that would lead to an objectively bad thing in the future.Oro getting the rinnegan is such a cool concept
>>289038516Itachi beating the six paths' advantage with just some kunai is retarded. That would not work with any other character, it just does when itachi does it.
question for Itachi lovers, is he a virgin
>>289041349Git gud scrub
>>289038516>special reserves Incoming
>>289041256He COULD do many things.
>>289041375Itachi is the SOLO king. He never loses.
>>289039918>He's speaking about post pain arc right? How did he know?Ok this one isn't a plot hole: he's been walking around with Nagato on his shoulders for over 24 hours: no doubt they talked about what did him in and his newfound faith in godruto
>>289041375Anon, he had LOVERS.
>>289041381Great. We trade one Uchiha gary stu for another.
>>289041375Izumi, your crush is a slut.
>>289038690...you could just take the eye out and crush it, it'd wound the crow but it'd live. Itachi is and always was a psychopath. also:>no naruto you CANNOT use the eye against sasuke>it's what i wanted (perfect brainwashing to trap Sasuke in a hell of protecting the village he wishes to destroy) and I know you want to but nope can't do it>Naruto never denies all this or buts in to say Sasuke's his own person who should decide his own fateshart poo of naruto is so fucking awful my god
>>289041423when did he find the time for love? didn't he kill his clan at like 14? then was a full time villain for Akatsuki?
>>289041512Naruto basically admits he cannot save Sasuke on his own. Which the story doesn't really bother to address. It's like Kishi agrees that using Shisui's eye is cheap but ultimately good way to save Sasuke.
Basically Itachi vs Minato kek
>>289041586It's funny how Solo King's will is so absolute that Naruto NEVER calls Itachi out for trying to brainwash Sasuke.
>>289041552You can have a girlfriend or boyfriend at 14.
This manga really bonds over backwards so not only is Itachi seen good but everyone agrees with his methods.
>>289038496>>289038516Bro lost two of his best Edos in one battle
>>289041375No time for pussy, he needs to ""help"" the village in the most obscure and convoluted way possible>>289041659hi kengantard
>>289041676Weird how Naruto never got angry at Itachi torturing Sasuke and killing his clan.>b-b-but there was no other wa-Naruto (forme de good writing) would have punched Itachi for thinking in absolutes. Naruto would say there is always another way.He and Naruto can be friends but there is so much bs Naruto could criticize Itachi for
>>289038690>another uch*ha betraying and murdering their own summon for no reasonTobirama was right
>>289041739When Itachi switched sides, Kabuto should have Nagato instantly summoned back (he pretty much can do that as seen with Deidara). Do the same bullshit with Madara about restoring his body to prime condition or shit like that to at least have a Rinnegan to mess around, even if it's fake.
>>289041793He was kinda angry at hiim the last time they met. Kinda weird how agreeable they suddenly were in this scene.
Hiashi won.
>>289041793>Naruto would punch ItachiThen Itachi would block the punch and punch a hole through Naruto's chest, which he won't be able to regenerate from because it was just that strong.
It's funny how Kabuto being proactive in sending Itachi and Nagato against Naruto and Bee basically costed him the whole war. Of all the possible bullshit a genius can predict, a bird summon containing a genjutsu to cancel your control over your own zombie inside the number 1 target of the war should be nowhere near conceivable.By all rights, he had his win stolen by Uchiha bullshit despite literally using Uchiha bullshit.
>>289042106Everything he does is bullshit so he has no right to complain.
>>289041693who was Itachi's girlfriend?
>>289038645>Itachi shows up with a bunch of power-ups pulled out of thin airBeing a writer's pet is crazy. Kakashi is also kind of a writer's pet, although during the Kakuzu fight he was powered up to keep Naruto from killing people. Since the only way to win that fight would have been to kill Kakuzu.
>>289042180That girl >>289040541
>>289042189Kakashi hardly ever gets one on one wins though at least.
>>289042225who the fuck is that
>>289042189Funny how Madara was so OP Kishi didn't feel the need to reveal what his special Sharingan ability was
Itachi and Nagato get treated with a surprising amount of reverence, even as Edo summons. It makes the treatment of Deidara/Sasori/Kakuzu even worse in retrospect. Why did Kishimoto humiliate them like that?
>>289042180Kiba's sister.Then multiple other women he met in his criminal days.And lastly, Kisame.
Stupidity and Itachi glazing aside, this whole development really makes one question Kishimoto's moral compass. The most charitable interpretation I could give is that he was so laser-focused on making Itachi a saint that he didn't for one moment think about the implications for his characterization and that of the characters who interact with him and wholly approve of what he says and does. I know it's ultimately a shonen and he doesn't expect the target audience to think about it, but goddamn.
>>289042278Novel character.
>>289042345Sasori got a good end even though he jobbed horribly.
>>289038542>You guys handle Madara. I'll do my part and take care of the edo tensei. That way we can end this war a little quicke->>289038621>NONONONO>I ALREADY SAID I'M ENDING THE WAR! NOT YOU! ME!!!!My.... hero.
>>289042423After the 1970s, Japanese manga began to align less closely with Western politics, and creators started to tone down and make fewer references to the brutalities of the past. I don’t know Kishimoto’s political views, but he tries to avoid comparisons with past incidents. Since he might lean too heavily in one direction, and because he’s a high-profile figure, he’s likely to be questioned about it.
>>289042423You need to remember he's Japanese. They are not into the whole acknowledging and paying for war crimes thing.
>>289038815Well, don't forget Naruto wanted to rip off Sasukes limbs and drag him back to the village during SRA.
>>289040376I didn't care for him that much in part 1, but yeah, part 2 has really made me despise him.
>>289038632ME ME ME ME MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>289038516What is this tongue out expression trying to convey?
>>289038690Was that really necessary?
>>289042640Yeah, but i THOUGHT that was due to Kurama making him more violent, not his real unfiltered desire.
>>289042106>he had his win stolen by Uchiha bullshitOh boy you haven't seen anything yet kek
>>289042759When people get it all wrong.
>>289038516>>289042759
>>289040376In part1 he's the coolest and strongest villain we've seen so far. In part two he's has a ridiculous reveal as a "hero" who the writer is determined to force down your throat as the most noble and greatest ninja ever, even though all his actions are stupid and insane and really fucked up.
>>289038781WHO IS IT?
>>289042423i think the morality of naruto is all over the place. child soldiers are normal and everyone is okay with them, the mist village is fucked up though for having ninja students kills their friends, itachi killing his clan is okay by everyone's standards, orochimaru using humans for experimentation and body hopping is evil, sakumo was shamed to death for choosing his friends over the mission he was given, etc.
>>289038663plap
>>289041401>While we're strolling around why not talk about our god and savior Uzumaki Naruto?Yeah imagine that...
>>289042345Sasori I can sort of understand since he no longer had his puppets or his puppet body (though in that case maybe he shouldn't have been brought back at all just like Hidan) but Deidara should be a fucking force of nature, maybe even on Itachi and Nagato's level, now that he can spam C4s and C0s all he wants without having to worry about chakra depletion or killing his immortal teammates (Theoretically, would C4, aka the one with microscopic bombs, be able to take out Edo reanimations? Or would they just regenerate as usual?)
>>289042423the whole idea that you should sacrifice your family for the sake of the village is some dystopian pro-state message that makes me gag. Itachi is a bigger piece of shit than almost anyone else in the series, he fails one of the few morals Kishi wanted in his series early on (betraying your comrades makes you worse than scum). The best interpretation you can even maintain is that Itachi is incredibly gullible and got tricked by the top brass into killing his family over a will-they won't-they coup situation. But the story never wants to present it that way.
>>289042910it's not that complicated>I never thought you'd be killed, Pain>Well Itachi, it's not so simple, you see:it's such an easy Naruto-wank moment I'm genuinely surprised it isn't included in the manga. But they had to have some talk about the Pain Invasion otherwise Itachi is omniscient.
>>289042512>>289042601I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about how this whole thing about brainwashing Sasuke, and Nardo clearly being OK with it, completely undermines the whole theme of peace through bonds and understanding. Naruto's opponents have decreed that such a thing is impossible, and Naruto is supposed to prove them wrong. But if he's just gonna force Sasuke to be good against his will (and remember, he made a pact that he'll die in the attempt to bring him back to the light), then how the fuck are he and Itachi any different than Obito or Madara?Again, I'm willing to grant that Kishi just didn't think about it, and like >>289042872 says, it's a case of "it's ok when the good guys do it" i.e. the whole thing is ultimately amoral and actions and decisions are justifiable when it's convenient for the heroes or whoever is getting glazed in that particular chapter.
>>289038663Tentenbros destroyed by the watermark...
>>289038663Has Naruto ever even spoken a word to Tenten?
>>289038690I wish Bee would tell Itachi that he killed Sasuke twice
>>289042949>the whole idea that you should sacrifice your family for the sake of the village is some dystopian pro-state message that makes me gag. Itachi is a bigger piece of shit than almost anyone else in the series, he fails one of the few morals Kishi wanted in his series early on (betraying your comrades makes you worse than scum).yeah, it's weird why the story never acknowledges that itachi should be scum for betraying his own family for the village.it might make sense why itachi would've done it since konoha might've still had the same mindset of shaming people to suicide if they forsake their missions.
>>289043053>yo brother kind of a jobber>could've easily brought him back to the village
>>289038690>This time I leave the task to a friend.
>>289042949>>289043054I feel like this wouldn't be so bad if Kishi had bothered to give Itachi friends outside of the uchiha, because it just feels like Itachi is the ultimate cog goverment cattle as it is.
>>289043029Not even in the flashbacks she gets a break
>>289038663Where is Sasuke?
>>289042949>>289043054Kishi does try to offload the responsibility to Danzo and the other elders for deliberately making the situation get to that point, but Itachi still did the deed (with Obito's help). Now, it'd be one thing if Sasuke was purely butthurt over making Itachi go through that ordeal and everything that followed, but he then keeps angsting and raging about his clan being gone and the resulting pain, which he now wishes to inflict upon Konoha in kind. At best you can argue that it's just Sasuke being irrational and blinded by the need for revenge, and that's true, but again, ITACHI WAS THE ONE WHO ULTIMATELY PULLED THE TRIGGER. HE STILL BEARS RESPONSIBILITY.Again, I maintain, to be OK with any of this, you have to have no moral compass and be OK with atrocities when it's the heroes doing them (and also be OK with them pretending to have principles), or just not examine it and roll with the fact that it's a sloppily written mess introduced through the desire for retcons.
>>289043081>>289043053Naruto would have a fit if he heard what Bee did
>>289042345He humiliated the fuck out of Nagato here. What the fuck are you even saying lmao.
>>289042848
Itachi could've solo'd Kaguya with a box full of scrap.
>>289043396between Itachi, Minato, and most of these war arc flashbacks/scenes I've been getting heavy Omega vibes. Itachi in particular has that rules for thee not for me writing that goes w/ so many Sandro-bortions
>>289043383He both wanked and shit on Nagato in the ame fight>Had Naruto and Bee dead to rights; would have blown Bee's head clean off and ripped out Naruto's soul>But Itachi came into the fight and it was pretty much solved in an instantSo it's about even. Way better than any other revived Akatsuki member besides Itachi himself
>>289042759>>289042824
>>289043744Kabuto is a very "I'll leave it open to interpretation" coded character
>>289043341>Kishi does try to offload the responsibility to DanzoThat's another thing that I really hate. How Danzo is just a cartoonishly evil scapegoat to absolve Itachi of all his wrongdoings and make him seem innocent despite the fact that he murdered children and his family. And, despite that, fans of this series will genuinely tell you that Danzo being so cartoonishly and irrationally evil is good writing because "you're supposed to hate him". Naruto fans are genuinely so fucking stupid.
>>289039032Thanks OP.
>>289043795There’s so much Itachi “glazing” that, during the flashback, it’s shown that Itachi is aware of Danzon’s cunning. So Kishimoto makes Itachi this 8-year-old genius—it’s not really Danzon manipulating Itachi, and Kishimoto isn’t pro-genocide. All of this happened because of plot holes and power inflation. If everything had stayed at the level of early Naruto, we wouldn’t have these narrative inconsistencies.
>>289043795I think the problem is more so that Danzo is OPENLY cartoonishly evil.A man of his position would at least try to make some good acts or try to appear good so he can keep his position but Danzo doesn't do that, he just gets away with everything until Sasuke fights him.
>>289042423Most artists rarely think about their creations in terms of themes or overarching narratives. That type of thinking is for critics and fans. Sometimes it creates moments of accidental brilliance, sometimes some elements are lost along the way.
Naruto is technically a hypocrite for getting angry at Toneri for brainwashing Hinata and taking her free will.>Oh but Naruto wouldn't take advantage of Sasuke to fuck him.Lol, lmao.
>>289043854If Danzo wasn't invented in Shippuden to be a scapegoat then I would have liked Danzo to be the Snape to Hiruzen's Dumbledore back in Part 1
>>289020186Remember the funny looking guy was a puppeteer.
>>289038475SLUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUP
>>289038663thank you based clan murderer and brother mental rapist.
>>289042423It's so obvious he is Kish's self insert along with Sasuke. I don't even know how anyone can deny it at this point.
this scene is weird.>gaara, no, you can't join a different team because everyone else hates you. only we accept you.>i know, kankuro, but i'm in physical pain and the only way to heal it is acceptance by other people>oh ok, go have fun, gaara.
>>289044171If this was Bleach, which has hardly any overarching themes to speak of, that'd be fine, shallow, but fine, it's what you sign up for with most battle shounen. But Kishi deliberately does try to weave those in, and then goes on to blatantly contradict them. That's the problem here.
>>289042501Sasori had zero (0) puppets. Losing to Sai may be embarrassing but it's not really jobbing in that situation.
>>289044171I feel like it doesn't take much thought to think brainwashing someone is bad.Like, in the very first arc of part 2 had Sasori and Deidara do it.
>>289020324The weakness is the gravitational pull
>>289041204Orochimaru simply isn't that popular in Japan. They had to tone him down and later kill him off because of how unpopular he was.
>>289042423The way Itachi is treated is pretty crazy, but it's not any wackier than how Orochimaru, the Coolest Guy, and Kabuto ended up. Even Nagato went from the ruthless slaughterer of Hanzou's family and killer of Jiraiya to Naruto's great buddy.
>>289044540I wonder why is that?Is he not creepy or handsome enough?
>>289044549you mean, naruto's great buddy who taught him what pain was! naruto was so happy about it!
Edos were a mistakeUchiha's were a mistake
>>289042917>Theoretically, would C4, aka the one with microscopic bombs, be able to take out Edo reanimations? Or would they just regenerate as usual?They would regenerate. We saw Shin come back from being blown up from the inside completely. C4 destruction is more fine-grained but the regeneration is magical and total. Getting disintegrated by Oonoki's Jinton is not good enough to stop Edo Tensei permanently.
>>289044617>They would regenerateExcept when they don't
>>289043341>ITACHI WAS THE ONE WHO ULTIMATELY PULLED THE TRIGGER. HE STILL BEARS RESPONSIBILITY.Shisui likely used Kotoamatsukami on Itachi to make him do what Shisui could not bear to do.
>>289040458That's why he's pissed at them.
Why do Edos have infinite chakra? Where is that energy stored?
>>289041401But Nagato wouldn't have known that either, no? He was dead and didn't see the village give him the hero treatment so he'd have no idea
>>289038734I just now realized the clam has the Kiri insignia on it.
>>289044573The west doesn't really grasp how popular Itachi was at his peak, it's no wonder he gets wanked so much. Sasuke as well consistently ranking second or sometimes even 1 is why he got so much focus to the point it turned into Sasuke Shippuden for a while.
>>289044540>Orochimaru simply isn't that popular in Japan. They had to tone him down and later kill him off because of how unpopular he was.I wonder if that's true. I tracked down the supposed interview with Kishi where he said that from 2005 and all I found was a post on forums.animesuki.com that also said Kishi was excited about an Akatsuki kunoichi who would appear soon and be very strong, which turned out to be complete bullshit.
>>289038675Bee is a real one
>>289044722>all Konan did was job to Jiraiya, then prepare millions of explosive tags just for Obito to Uchihax his way out of it
I would like to see a timeline where Kishi got a hard on in Shippuden to wank Orochimaru instead of Itachi
>>289044705That doesn't answer that anon's question.
>>289044640The only time that they don't is when the attack has six paths senjutsu.
>>289044705>how popular Itachi was at his peakWas that before or after his good guy reveal?
>>289044573Too creepy>>289044722The highest I saw Orochimaru on the polls was #26, he never cracked the top 10.
>>289044669>Why do Edos have infinite chakra? Where is that energy stored?It's not infinite, it just constantly regenerates. Where it comes from is a mystery, though. Maybe Tobirama tapped into the same immortal chakra that powers the bijuu or something. I used to theorize that Edo Tensei and the bijuu, and even Hashirama, got their power from absorbing natural energy that they convert directly into chakra (instead of mixing it with their own chakra to make senjutsu), but there's no real support for it.
>>289038690I choose to believe this isn't a real crow and rather just a weird Itachi jutsu to create a 'fake' that existed in Naruto because the idea of Itachi just blasting a living creature is messed up
>>289045172yes imagine Itachi doing something messed up
>>289045172Solo king dindu nuffin
>>289038763Wtf I don't remember him getting caught by Temari like this.. I thought the 3rd Raikage was a beast
In the last toneri should’ve been talked no jutsued or reedeemed by hinata to be a good person and she should’ve stayed on the moon and rebuild it and marrying toneri as the byakugon princess.hinata destroy tenseigen and deciding on her own to stay with toneri instead of being naruto's waifu actually would have been a great decision and make hinata passing down the role of hyuga clan a heiress to hanabi a lot smoother. Hinata's character and goals was rooted in her role as the hyuga clan heiress even though people in her clan prefer hanabi so while i persinally prefer hinata to become the next hyuga clan leader and prove her worth to the hyuga clan, her staying with toneri would actually make a lot of sense.
>>289044705I really like this "feminine" design. It works very well with the genjutsu heavy character introduction.
>>289045731Sexnan
>>289045653>narusaku cope
>>289038516freaky ahh
>>289044573he has nothing that makes him sympathetic. if you look at gaara or even sasori, who also felt creepy and seemed to fulfill a similar horror niche, they were also sympathetic and had childish characteristics like gaara wanting love to heal his pain or sasori wanting to see his parents again.nearly every other villain in naruto, period, also has something to make them sympathetic, but not orochimaru.i think foil type characters are also generally pretty popular which could also further explain why evil gaara was more popular than orochimaru. gaara seemed to have a nice tanuki vs. fox thing with naruto in his design even if the early story seemed to try pushing him to be sasuke's enemy to defeat.i notice kishi also liked making the later foils like nagato and obito end up friends at the end of their stories too. i wonder if it had to do with gaara being one of the more popular villains among jp fans since he does the same thing.
>>289038496WHIRRRRRRRRR
>>289045172yeah, imagine itachi killing a living thing...
>>289045265temari is actually pretty op. just look at what she did at 15 in the sra. one shotting a forest? shame she gets sidelined.
would Shisui's eye have worked on Madara? seems kind of a stupid OP eye power to just use once to break out of edo tensei and then never again...
>>289044812Haku didn't regen when Kakashi stabbed him.Neither did the magneto guy.
>>289046095YesSOLOKING is literally named SOLOKING
>>289044812My point was more so that Kishi nerfs the Edo tensei regen whenever it's convenient.
>>289046095I see no reason why it wouldn't, but I feel like Kishi would have had some way for Madara to counter it or have him prevent the Genjutsu from being cast on him in the first placeLike a Zetsu comes out of nowhere and tanks it for him
>>289045856Come on now that ending twist was good having hinata be queen of the moon and have babies with toneri
>>289046187I don't think Hinata marrying and having a baby with her would-be rapist is good.
>>289045653>Hinata's character and goals was rooted in her role as the hyuga clan heiress.No? Besides making Hinata insecure, her political role in the clan barely matters to her.
>>289046111They both would have. Sometimes the regeneration rate is slower. That's why both Haku and Toroi were wrapped up and sealed.
>>289046095Yeah, it could have brainwashed Madara in one shot. Too bad Itachi didn't stuff the crow down Sasuke's throat and set it to activate on Tobi.
>>289046165It's true that the regeneration rate is not portrayed consistently. It also seems to be proportional to the stamina of the ninja.
>>289045653Hinata's only goal in life from the start was banging Naruto, that's her entire character.
>>289038690Naruto's best friend Itachi and Orochimaru.
>>289045988His parents died when he was a kid and Sarutobi raised him...
>>289046321Don't you have some paperwork to do, Shikamaru?
>>289045988I'm sorry, but Orochimaru fearing death and potentially being forgotten(?) due to his parents' death is either higher or on the same level as Sasori.
>>289046231>>289046267None of that shit is properly established so it's just bad writing.
>>289045988one other thing worth considering:even though popularity wasn't everything, shown by lee being popular but still getting sidelined as an example, it might be different for orochimaru because he was set up as the main villain from the chuunin exam onwards until part 2, where the akatsuki organization becomes the big bad.would you really want your main villain being someone who can't even beat a tadpole in a popularity contest? side characters are probably different though and more open to seeing experimentation or getting dropped because they're mostly unimportant, like hayate.and i'll also add orochimaru being unpopular is mostly a jp thing because he's one of the favorite villains among the western fans, constantly being mentioned as one of the best villains among pain and obito. whereas, gaara rarely gets mentioned as one of the best villains, even though he is still generally liked. i'm not sure anyone even really hates gaara, besides some anons here hating his performance in part 2, me included.and it is also possible that the polls are just unreliable because not every fan will vote in them. but they do give a general idea of where characters might lie.>>289046368>>289046410and how often do you see him displaying emotion over it or in general? besides anger sometimes, of course.i think orochimaru feels very inhuman and hard to sympathize with. even with his parents dying.
>>289046432Orochimaru has cried more than Sasori.
>>289046368>Sarutobi raised himBeing too generous here.
I can't believe Sasuke said yes.. I'm actually getting married!
>>289046410It could've been if you wrote some more scenes of that. Though Orochimaru still has the issue of just his goals being so evil and selfish it's hard for any sad backstory to make up for it, even Obito, and Madara at least had a sorta "ends justify the means" thing with their idea for a perfect fantasy world, retarded but more noble than just wanting to be the immortal ninja Mengele which is the only thing Orochimaru wanted. Actually Sasori and Orochimaru are pretty similar it's just Orochimaru doesn't have a sad old lady support character to sell us on his backstory. And he's not as pretty.>>289046432Gaara spent a lot more time as a good guy so I can see why he doesn't get high in those lists. Sasuke spent longer as a villain than he did.
>>289038663danzo btfo
>>289046209She chose to leave with him
>>289038690couldn't he just implant the eye and pump a buttload of nine tails chakra in to wake it up?
>>289044540>>289045988Huh, weird. I always just assumed that Orochimaru was a popular character. Like, he's the Frieza of Naruto. He used to have an intimidating presence in the CE, and his orchestral theme from part 1 was really iconic. He's also a villain, so he's not supposed to sympathetic (that's how I always interpreted him, anyway). And sure, part 1 Gaara being sympathetic was a bonus for him, but he was still a pretty great character even without that. I don't get this obsession with people wanting villains to be relatable. >>289046432>and it is also possible that the polls are just unreliableI'm fairly certain that all the people who voted for the tadpole in that poll were trying to do the equivalent of a shitpost, so yeah. It's the same as how Dr. Briefs' cat and the farmer with the shotgun made it in the top 20 of that Dragon Ball popularity poll.
>>289046727Yeah, to trick him and save Hanabi.Not because she actually loved him.
>>289046571Naruto...you used Shisui's eye didn't you?
>>289042423It's not that it didn't cross Kishi's mind that this would mindwash thing would be seen in a bad light, it's more so that he was just too tired and jadded to care that.
>>289046765So you just agreed it was not rape
>>289046843That's not how it works, and even if it was, him turning her into a glorified puppet with his orb just makes any sexual relationship they could have into rape regardless.
>>289042800Our boy is a yandere, believe it!
>>289046843She had to sell it to Toneri that she has fully accepted him. Her coming with him was conditional on her cutting her ties to earth and everyone in it. So, should he sense any form of hesitation or foul play, he could withdraw his offer and making it more difficult to rescue Hanabi and destroy the Tenseigan.
>>289043028The fact that you care about this is unironically the result of the woke left. People consider and care about consent in ways they simply didn't when this was written. Mind control stuff was not taken nearly as seriously at the time.
>>289046699>Orochimaru still has the issue of just his goals being so evil and selfish it's hard for any sad backstory to make up for it,i agree with this. orochimaru also doesn't seem to get torn over doing bad things either, besides crying over fighting hiruzen. was there anything other than that?>Orochimaru doesn't have a sad old lady support character to sell us on his backstory.this too. orochimaru doesn't have many characters that bring out emotion. you'd think jiraiya and tsunade would do something for him and make him feel more remorse for things or something.>and he's not as prettyreally though? i think orochimaru looks pretty good. especially here >>289045988>gaara spent more time as a good guy so i can see why he doesn't get high in those listsoverall, sure. fair. western fans' opinions being posted in or near current day wouldn't be a good comparison. top villains of all time in naruto as a whole vs. jp fans' opinions of characters as naruto was being made, before the chuunin exams were even finished.i feel jp just likes gaara more overall though. he's always a top 10 character in the jp polls and the narutop polls had him at 8th in japan but 17th or so in the usa. but these polls aren't the most reliable either. and it's not like the usa hates gaara either. he's still fairly popular.>>289046762i could definitely see the tadpole thing as being a shitpost but it's still funny.but also, "favorite character" might not be a good measure for if a villain is good. villains are meant to be hateable. i personally think it's harder to make your villains likable. so someone could think a villain is good but hate them so much they'd never put them as a favorite. being sympathetic helps bridge this hateable gap though i think. simply making a villain sympathetic makes them more likable so i think that's why the more "favorited" villains tend to be sympathetic. but someone could also have a separate list for best villains.
>>289047146Danzo gets shat on and loses trust with the other nations because of brainwashing Mifune with the same Genjutsu to try get his way. Only reason the same doesn't happen here is because Solo King is the one proposing it. It isn't woke shit or whatever but Itachi being favored by the narrative. Nevermind we still have to get to the HOKAGE WISDOM AT 5 YEARS OLD bullshit.
>>289047227>was there anything other than that?The Orochimaru that popped out of Anko felt sad hearing that Jiraiya was dead iirc, that's about it
>>289047146No you fucking retarded twitter tourist, mind/body control have ALWAYS been considered a bad thing fiction, it's literally given as a power to villains, antagonists or anti-heroes 90% of the time and those who happen to join the hero's party would either drop the ability or be put into situations were they can't use that.The left didn't create the idea that rape and having your autonomy taken away being bad, common sense did.
>>289047146>t.Jerked off too much to mind-control doujins
>>289047443Hypnotism was literally a form of light entertainment people did routines based on despite being predicated on the idea that it's just a bit of light fun to make someone cluck like a chicken to embarrass them.
also consider the gap in votes between the tadpole and other characters is pretty small. a 3 vote difference between shino. the gap is small to orochimaru as well.
>>289047552You forgot the fact that those were only supposed to last for a minute and not for the rest of your life.
Let's try to bring the whole Itachi shit to something closer to real life and see if anyone would actually defend it then:>be born during the aftermath of WW2>family leads one of the main political parties>there's a huge terrorist attack but no one claims responsibility >there's suspicion around your family and party because at one point your ancestor was a commie or whatever, even though the party has since distanced itself from his ideas and actions>still, the ruling party starts taking actions to disenfranchise your party and cement it's rule >your older brother joins the nation's glownigger agency and becomes one of its top operatives>The party decides enough is enough, they gotta coup>glownigger brother is a WW2 vet though and loves the country too much to see it get torn apart by civil strife>the top glowie gets wind of the plot, orders brother to do something about it>big party convention happens, every party member is there with their families >brother plants explosives everywhere and sets shit off>by the way brother also met the real culprit of the terror attack, and it's a distant uncle or whatever who left the country because he sympathized with the commie founder>he's there sniping security from afar>meanwhile your brother is spraying everyone with a semi, and summarily executing the stragglers, even the children>you're watching this happen>he leaves you for last, tells you he got too gud at his assignments and shut got boring, so he wanted to see how far he could go>he left you alive just to see if your hatred of him would be a powerful enough motivation to surpass him because he needs the sportI might not have gotten everything analogous exactly, but who in their right mind would then, upon learning the truth, accept that the brother was a victim who did nothing wrong and all the responsibility lies in the hands of the ruling party and the glowies?
>>289047552Hypnotism is also presented in a bad light in media time to time, not just today.
i like the detail of people hating dirty looks people give them, like naruto, gaara, and deidara. it feels real. like someone could actually develop such a deep seated hatred over dirty looks that they would shut down in some cases if they see these things everywhere. i like it in that regard for gaara.
>>289047623Yes. From time to time. And rarely with the same level of "You know, that's a genuinely fucked up thing to do to a person." Your picture is literally an example. That's a kids series, where nobody ever thought there was anything weird about having a mind control monster in the same series as the cute electric mouse. It might be bad, sometimes, but it wouldn't stand out that much, it tended to be "Well, I guess you shouldn't do that." Not "What the fuck, why is the hero considering this?"
>>289047743>And rarely with the same level of "You know, that's a genuinely fucked up thing to do to a person." Your picture is literally an example. That's a kids series, where nobody ever thought there was anything weird about having a mind control monsterI don't think you have interacted with the pokemon fandom because Hypno is nearly always depicted as either a hell spawn that eats children or a pedo rapist.
>>289047743My brother in christ, one of the most famous fan works in the pokemon community is a song about how terrifying Hypno is.
Didn't Araki once say that the only reason Kakyoin only used his body possession technique twice was because it's a "villain's power" or was that just fan headcanon?
>>289047669Those looks are not the same, Gaara.
>>289047569>Inoshikacho are collectively the least like teamKishi never forgave the other teams for this.
>>289048241Yeah, Inoshikacho ranking so low while characters like Lee and Neji ranked so high kind of disproved the whole "popularity polls dictate who important characters end up" theory.
>>289048035how so? they're both giving him a dirty and angry glare like he's a monster.>>289048241shikamaru at least ranks higher later.>>289048550maybe, but i think orochimaru might be different because he was the main villain for a time.
>>289048645The drunk guy seems more confused and scared than angry at Gaara.
Buddys sucking on that bottle a little to hard their.
>>289047669Suna really is the shitiest shithole in the Naruto World.
>>289050076>hopefully lord kazekage didn't fall asleep and destroy the shopping district againlmao. but gaara was never shown to struggle with keeping shukaku under control once he decided to be a good boy, at least in canon. kankuro said baki wouldn't have to worry about gaara losing control of shukaku while fighting deidara.
>>289050178Kankuro was lying.
>>289038690>YOU ARE MY FRIEND AAAAAAAAAAAAH
>>289050076What does this village even do?Food?Water?Work?
>>289050872Gold dust according the previous chapter.
>>289047569>choji>ranked lower than a fucking squirrel kek
>>289050231proof?
>>289038781His hip JOBBED
>>289048550It goes both ways. A character can become so popular that you can't kill them off. This is the case with Kakashi,Neji,Deidara,Gaara,Lee and Shikamaru.Characters like Sakura,Sai,Yamato and Anko who underpeformed, slowly get written out of the story and get less focus over time.
>>289051619>A character can become so popular that you can't kill them off. This is the case with Kakashi,Neji,Deidara,Gaara,Lee and Shikamaru.>can't kill them off.>Neji, Deidara,
