>daily old good new bad thread

>>289051244
if they keep coming, there must be a lot of people who think so

>>289051231
The kenshin remake is a travesty, dropped it at Jine.
Although, I'll likely pick it back up for act 3 since it's essentially un-adapted content...which, ironically only makes me hate this remake more.

New is fine. Old is fine. /a/ is whine.

>>289051231
Most people who 'tolerate' are just zoomers who want to act as if they got the 90s/80s anime pack 3x3 type of deal but in reality they don't want to the original series, but they sure want remakes but remakes will be trending.
t.zoomer

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>>289051244
Get good and we'll stop saying it. It's not like we're happy about this state of affairs.

Just fuck off and find a new hobby already

>>289051636
>>289052275
consoomer cattle goes MOOOO

>>289052206
proofread your shit faggot, I can't understand what the fuck you're trying to say

>>289052275
Get some standards.

>>289051231
they should've just made it a sequel that adapts the last manga arc, everyone and their grandma had watched '96 kenshin already

Old new good bad only applies to shounenshit so I don't know why an adult would even care.

>>289052517
It just feels pointless to cover the same material again but this time less good.

The average quality of animation in tv anime has come a very long way for the better.
The average layout is objectively shit these days though.

>>289052565
I don't think most animators these days even know what they're doing.

I love getting into arguments about animation quality with strangers on the internet who haven't actually watched any old shows nor any new shows
It's my favorite past time, wasting my entire day debating over literally fuck all

>>289053203
he said, coming into the thread to get mad

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>>289051231
Really makes you think

>>289053239
least faggy avatarposter

>>289051231
I've recently seen Hell Teacher Nube, and anime I didn't even know it existed. First the original and then the new version.
It's not a stellar series, but I had fun with the og one. The new one is inferior in every single way and it joins the lame list of neutered modern takes made by people with no clue for people with no clue.

Awful timeline

this is actually not one of the worst examples of this, the spice and wolf one is. also plenty of counterexamples like Fruits Basket.

>>289052565
>every single aspect is worse, but it moves better
Yeah, no thanks. Also I can do without the skating over a digital background modern stuff has

>>289053286
>the spice and wolf one is
I cannot for the life of me understand why people keep glazing the new one so hard
I mean sure, it isn't BAD; but it definitely doesn't look as good or is directed as good as the OG.
It has a plainly inferior OST and sound direction as well

Ask people what their top 5 80s anime are. I know this is a bait thread. But every top 5 80s anime discussion? Half the lists have these as their favorites.

Gunbuster, SDF Macross/DYRL, Zeta Gundam or War in the Pocket, Hokuto no Ken, Akira, Rumiko's 3 long runners, Saint Seiya, Votoms, Space Cobra, Dragonball, Ashita no Joe 2, City Hunter.

Essentially, there are barely any 80s anime actually worth watching, but idiots who don't know shit about anime will continue to insist it was a good decade when it was quite terrible.

>>289053355
>Essentially, there are barely any 80s anime actually worth watching, but idiots who don't know shit about anime will continue to insist it was a good decade when it was quite terrible.
Imagine saying that seething shit after making a list of masterpieces that mog new shit.

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>>289051231
Nobody fucking cares about mediocre shonenshit remakes. Average anime today looks much better.

>>289053395
Oh yes, Saint Seiya, Dragonball and Hokuto no Ken. Same fucking type of anime as Demon Slayer, Jujutsu Kaisen and Chainsaw man. But with way worse filler and pacing.

>>289053355
for you, top 5 = favorite = worth watching
alongside a few other fallacious premises

>>289053422
And animation. And everything else. But I liked it as a dumb kid so it's better! I'm 41 BTW.

>>289053417
>Average anime today looks much better.
lol

>>289053422
Lmao not at all. You have never seen them.

>>289053461
They are all popular WSJ adaptations. You can cope all you want. Its the same fucking type of series. And Saint Seiya is the absolute worst one. I say this as someone who was there for Next Dimension from the start.

>>289053426
Ask people who have seen a lot of 2000-2009 anime and you will see a massive amount of variance in their top 5. Because there were 50-100 series worth watching that decade.

>>289053422
>But with way worse filler and pacing.
That's just DragonBall. You know nothing about the others. They are nothing like modern shit.

>>289051231
Doesn't this dude die due to aids?

>>289053476
>things that never happened

>>289053482
Now you're just lying. What were the Steel Saints? Or Asgard Arc? You are either nostalgic as fuck or don't actually watch much anime, hence you think Saint Seiya is good. And Hokuto no Ken had a lot of filler at the beginning and tons of stock animation lol.

As someone who hasn't ever seen anything of Samurai X, the old one just has way better directing (it isn't just bland shot reverse shot and has some great shots like her lips quivering or the various "pillow shots" used) and has way better coloring even if the webm itself is compressed to shit. I really don't like the much-too-digital looking coloring used in the new one, when I know they can shade shit just fine using digital tools going off of shows like this season's Kamiina Botan or that new Eva short.
That said, even if on the off chance this zero nuance axiom of your is true, it should only be true for remakes. There are good and watchable shows from every period imo.
t. zoomer

>>289053502
Steel saints are just cameos. they are what, two episodes?
Asgard arc is very brief and you can just skip it. Also a filler arc that fits is not a real filler. Goku spending 2 EPISODES getting a driving license is filler. Frieza fight lasting a irl month is filler

>>289053546
Go watch some good anime. Saint Seiya fags are the worst. Filler is filler. No better than Naruto fags with none of the self awareness. The Steel Saint Shit was awful

>>289051231
I disagree about everything old being legit better than new stuff or new seasons being bad, but it's true that remakes always shit. I cannot even tell you why, maybe I should study filmography or something because everything about the first 4 min. of this mp4 are just legit bland and boring and certainly worse than the latter 4.

One reason is the lighting. Newer art directors mostly despise darkness for some unknown reason, so everything looks flat and devoid of atmosphere (1996 version is the opposite). But it's more than that, I just can't point my finger at it.

>>289051231
I like the blue colors in the remake more.

>>289053422
They have better source material to work with.

>>289053788
No, they do not. Hokuto no Ken's 2nd half went off the rails. Even its first half was not that great. Saint Seiya? Kuru is one of the worst writers ever. Notice how its 2026 and we just started Tenkai Hen? I remember seeing a bunch of french women interviewing Kuru back in 1990. Not 90s. 90. About Tenkai Hen. It took 36 years for the hack to start it and we all know Athena's going to get captured.

>>289053487
Non canon OVA made by pretentious old HxH director.

>>289053350
Oh shit. I was planning to watch the remake because I cant remember shit from the og.

>>289054431
I mean it's still worth a watch just by virtue of actually continuing after where the old anime stopped

>>289053569
>The Steel Saint Shit was awful
Yeah, they were two awful episodes.
>Go watch some good anime.
You too, anon. Try Saint Seiya (until Hades)

>>289053723
>everything old being legit better than new stuff
>everything
If you phrase it like that it means another thing compeltely.

>>289053912
>later shit made to ride a previous work and uninspired stuff made later in life are bad!
What kind of argument is this lmoa?
HnK is a masterpiece until Raoh's demise, when the actual story ended and the setting was resolved. The second series was just milking a dry cow.
Kurmada's only memorable work was SS, and it peaked with the og 3 series and was very memorable. Then the IP was endlessly milked and is still milked to this day. Do we blame Rings of Power on LotR now?

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>>289055172
You guys need to watch something that isn't battle shonen anime for once in your life. And the steel saints appeared in 18 episodes. You will notice both Dragonball and Hokuto no Ken have the misfortune of being a milked cow. That doesn't mean we can't judge it by its second half either. Saint Seiya was terrible. Your dumbass doesn't even realize Kurumada ran out of ideas in the 80s. That's why we had 3 successive arcs where Athena needed to be rescued. "but look at these slight differences between the arcs" its the same setup each time.

>>289055363
>You guys need to watch something that isn't battle shonen anime for once in your life.
Seething projection
>And the steel saints appeared in 18 episodes.
cameo in 18 episodes.
>You will notice both Dragonball and Hokuto no Ken have the misfortune of being a milked cow.
and?
>That doesn't mean we can't judge it by its second half either.
No we can't, just as we don't judge Alien according to what senile Ridley Scott did later in life.
>Saint Seiya was terrible.
you are crying
>Your dumbass doesn't even realize Kurumada ran out of ideas in the 80s. That's why we had 3 successive arcs where Athena needed to be rescued. "but look at these slight differences between the arcs" its the same setup each time.
you haven't seen it. Just a youtube recap at best, and made you mad because you missed out
TL;DR stop being mad because you were born after all the good stuff

>>289055466
>Seething projection
You're the one pissing your pants about garbage tier shonen anime.
>cameo in 18 episodes.
Filler is filler. Especially when they are blatant advertisements for toys and don't even fit the series which is more fantasy than anything.
>No we can't, just as we don't judge Alien according to what senile Ridley Scott did later in life.
This was written directly after it the first half. Not senile.
you haven't seen it. Just a youtube recap at best, and made you mad because you missed out
>TL;DR stop being mad because you were born after all the good stuff
I literally read the entire manga up to Tenkai Hen, and watched Overture BEFORE Next Dimension came out. If you think old is better. Why are you even here. There's nothing to discuss anyways. All the """good""" anime came out 40 years ago. The medium isn't worth watching anymore right?

Remake was actually pretty good until they decided to change the story

>>289053239
Picrel reminds me of a typical anime schizo from MAL or Pleddit.

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>>289052346
>only sell me the old stuff again, make nothing new ever

>>289051231
The only true downgrade in this example is the OST. The rest is fine, either superior in the remake or more or less the same.
>At first I was surprised at how toned down the comedy was, even compared to the manga, but with time this made me appreciate how dangerous Kenshin truly is.

>>289051231
i watched kimi ni todoke and the older two season just have something the new netflix season doesnt

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>>289051231
I thought they were both bad

>>289055822
most new things are shit
art is declining the whole world over btw

>>289053422
>>289053502
>>289053569
>screeching like a retard over old popular anime
>that way of typing shit and mentioning exactly the same anime
>currently online on MAL
You have been exposed, faggot. You can continue whining about the Saiyanland, but don't think you're the tough guy.
https://myanimelist.net/profile/ComeInReiAsuka

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>>289051231
>>289052266
Left side same director as Kenshin

>>289055506
Get back to your MALnutrished forum, faggot. Maybe people there will care about an autistic manchild crying about old anime traumatizing him, kek.

https://myanimelist.net/profile/ComeInReiAsuka
https://myanimelist.net/profile/ComeInReiAsuka
https://myanimelist.net/profile/ComeInReiAsuka
https://myanimelist.net/profile/ComeInReiAsuka

>>289052266
I think both have pros and cons. They are pretty much equal quality, just with different approach to composition.

>>289055506
You are crying

>>289055895
>immediately went offline after this post
KEK

>>289055945
Perma banned. Too much talking about 18 year old girls and making fun of someone's disfiguration...

>>289051231
Where the fuck is season 3?!?!?

Also, how many fucking people know me from MAL. Non-Discord/reddit anime community is fucking tiny.

>>289054414
oh thanks for telling me.

>>289052266
>>289051610
>>289051231
New Kenhsin is legitimately quite bad, I was actually surprised how much worse it was.

>>289052542
I'm surprised that remaster, like that Yamato anime remaster, are not more common.

>>289053432
loser

>>289052542
Because its an advertisement for the Manga. Of course. Watsuki is an actual degenerate

>>289052266
Old:
>careful scene composition, clear action, beautiful backgrounds, better connection between frames, better at conveying their nascent relationship dynamic
New:
>rapid cuts, boring, jerky animation, unremarkable backgrounds with no detail, worse dialogue, makes Kenshin look dumb and Kaoru have no personality>>289052206

>>289055895
>>289055945
Is he that Seiyarager schizo that has watched it and HnK multiple times despite shitting on them all the time here?

>>289056501
No, Only watched them once in the 2000s, and read the manga for both.

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Fuck gookmoot for taking the IP count away. I bet there's only like two spergs in this thread (three now that I'm in it)

>>289056501
Sounds like him.

>>289056737
how many people know me from MAL. Is my schizo posting that noticable?

>>289055172
>Kurmada's only memorable work was SS
Not really. Not in Japan.

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>>289057623
But this old versions has sovl.

>>289051231
Yeah, this is /a/, we don't do doubt here

op is right

>>289053286
>>289053350
>spice and wolf
The remake also doesn't have Chloe, which objectively makes it worse

>>289056737
It's always him or one of the other three fossil robot/old shonen autists. You can tell by the exact same MAL-tier namedrops and the "I read the manga in 2006" credential flex.

>>289061254
Fuck, what a circus (and you don't need to buy a ticket).

>>289051231
I grew up watching the old Ruroni Kenshin and I prefer this new version.

>>289056142
Because that takes creativity and then you get oldfags raging because it isn't exactly the same.

Watsuki is a pedophile.

Why do fans of the new shit and remakes get so defensive? Nostalgiafags don't get mad when people like Frieren.

>>289063011
Who's raging, schizo? I only asked a question.

>>289063161
They know their "modern" remakes are shit.

>>289053350
>I cannot for the life of me understand why people keep glazing the new one so hard

Modern audiences will praise whatever you put in front of them. The current generation is absolutely brain rotted and washed and will like things because they think they were supposed to.

>>289053355
The wheat always separates from the chaff but the simple fact that people can still list a few dozen or so series from decades ago says something. People today forget about things, even things that were the hype show of their season, as soon as they end. Older media was more memorable. Maybe there were a lot of reasons for it externally but they still were. Nothing is impactful, nothing is influential, it's all just bland consumption so you don't have to think.

>>289063293
On the other hand, oldfags tend to be pissed off by any small detail all while glorifying worse but older stuff.

>>289063587
at least we notice details. You cunts will shit yourself as soon as the camera starts having a seizure.

>>289063665
>you cunts
Implying that if someone isn't a nostalgiafag then he's for sure a Zoomer consoomer.

You ever notice it's only fans of subpar remakes that get defensive? Nobody who likes John Carpenter's The Thing gets mad if you say you like the 1950's version more.

>>289053350
it is objectively a worse adaptation in terms of visuals, dialogue writing, sound and music direction (the old one had genuinely medieval sounding music), and even though the voice actors are the same and it follows the LNs more accurately, it just doesn't have the same vibe to it. They made Holo too moe compared to how she was in the original anime and how her behaviour in the light novels are.

>>289051231
>>289052266
You know, you could try actually watching anime.
>inb4 "list some that are better"
Even if I did, you'd just go "nuh-uh". Even if you hadn't see them, you're automatically predisposed to just be contrarian for the sake of it, even though you have barely watched any anime that didn't air on Toonami.

>>289055935
>look how much better animated the last episode of this show is compared to a random episode in this other show
The original HxH anime typically looks like shit. It was a very low cost, low effort production that nobody really cared about before or since. That's why it didn't even have a DVD BOX release or anything, just rental DVDs/volumes.

>>289053476
That's because (for example) 1986 had 25 tv shows where 2006 had 180. The proportion of good to bad wasn't better, there was just way more overall.

>>289053395
>Imagine saying that seething shit after making a list of masterpieces that mog new shit.
As someone who has actually seen most of the anime on that list.
>Gunbuster
Yeah it's great.
>SDF Macross
Also great, but since this is an animation thread, I can say confidently that it looked like fucking SHIT most of the time. It was blatantly outsourced for so much of its animation, and a lot of the character faces will descend into just have two black dots for eyes.
>DYRL
Great movie for the animation, but as a compilation film it kind of leaves out the most interesting part of Macross, which is that a third of the story is dedicated to showing the aftermath of the war.
>Zeta Gundam
Most people here would fucking hate it. It looks nice, but it's probably one of the weakest Tomino outings for MotW mecha, very dull and lifeless combat compared to 0079, Ideon (also from 1980), Xabungle, L-Gaim, etc., even Zambot I preferred.
>0080
Yeah it's good.
>Hokuto no Ken
You are lying to yourself if you're calling this a fucking masterpiece. It looks like shit, it has no animation, the audio masters are FUCKED, it has some good scenes, but a lot of what is good in it is the original manga. And the manga is way fucking better.
>Akira
Yeah it's good.
>UY/Ranma/Maison Ikkoku
Urusei Yatsura is great, one of the best anime ever made.
The original Ranma anime is a complete shitshow and not worth watching past Episode 18~, unless you're using a heavily curated list. It just falls off a cliff in every aspect after the rebrand.
Maison Ikkoku is just one of Takahashi's weaker works (though Mao certainly made it look a lot better).
>Saint Seiya
Opposite of HnK, this anime looks great, but the material is fucking awful. It's one of the worst shounen of the 80s.
>VOTOMS
Yeah it's great.
>Space Cobra
It's Dezaki, so yeah.
>Dragon Ball/Z
DB not so much. Torishima was right on it.
DBZ when it's great is the best shoune of the 80s and 90s.
>AnJ2
Again, Dezaki.

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>>289053355
>>289053476
I rate Ideon, Queen Millennia, Dougram, Dunbine, Gorg, Galient, LOGH, Georgie, Glass Mask, Princess Sara, Ace wo Nerae 2+FS, Kasei Yakyoku, Vampire Miyu, Youma, Patlabor, Shounan Bakosouzoku and Area 88 above a bunch of those and nearly all 00s anime. Add films and 00s gets obliterated.

>>289051231
Old looks much better, but the filler hell and deviation from the source material commonly found in old adaptations was always 100% bad with no exceptions, and no amount of revisionism will change that.

>>289063098
so am I

Rurouni Kenshin remake got good after the first season. They really found their footing and I enjoyed the Kyoto stuff so far. No new announcement for next season though.

>>289051231
i could never put into words what i disliked about the trends in typical nu anime style until this picture for some reason, but it's genuinely just how long the characters' philtrums have gotten. why are their philtrums so fucking long? bring normal philtrum lengths back god damn it

>>289063293
You've been saying the exact same thing since 2011. You think anime viewers in the fucking 90s and thousands were picky about which vhs tapes they rented? Get the fuck out of here

>>289066071
This, the first season director was quite bad to be honest, the new one is quite great, still, the abysmal difference that is the ost is still there.

>>289053403
This. Brainlets can't tell apart good animation from spergzoid editing. Brain too fried by shitty music video edits on Tiktok.

>>289064988
wtf u talking about? The original HxH anime looks better than the new one.

>>289057623
I like the old one better. The new one has too much overanimation. Typical consoomer anime that thinks more is more.

>>289066071
>>289066948
It's not awful but it's not better and it's still pointless

>>289051231
You are right but to be fair Furuhashi is also exceptionally good even by old standards.

>>289067111
If you only watch the same five or so clips that get posted here, or the same two comparison pictures (that don't even compare the same scenes).
The 2011 adaptation is a far more consistent and on average far better looking work than the 1999 adaptation. That's simply a fact. Most of 1999 is very low quality and low detail with slideshow tier animation and no shading, but it had five episodes done by external staff so people jerk those off and act like the whole anime looked like 31 and 62.

>>289067142
You like it more because you're a terminal contrarian who doesn't watch anime.

>>289063161
>Nostalgiafags don't get mad when people like Frieren.
A large chunk of retro threads only exist in the capacity of hating new anime. Not even remakes, just whining that people like new anime.

>>289055935
K I N O

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>>289063161
Essentially, Nostalgia fags who like Frieren like it because its one of the only anime they actually watched in past few years.

>>289055935
Why is right so faded in color? Everyone has a ghost complexion

>>289064988
>I love making shit up because I'm a gay nigger
Ok.

>>289067447
>making shit up
I've seen the 1999 anime more times than the 2011 anime.
It wasn't some high profile production. It was set to run for five cour, it ran its cycle, it had production below a LOT of Nippon Animation produced TV anime, people talk up Furuhashi but he was barely involved with the project and wasn't even attached to the OVAs unlike with Kenshin, and everything else I said was true.
In Japan, they never released HxH99 ever again after its initial rental DVD and VHS tape releases.
Yaiba got posted here earlier, I'm willing to bet the majority of this thread hasn't even heard of Yaiba. Even in Japan it's not a very well known or well remembered anime.
That got a DVDBOX. The 1999 HxH anime did not. Its video wasn't even preserved as it was being made, the DVD transfers which happened while the show was airing were made using tape masters with so many flaws that it borders on one of the worst releases a current anime ever received for a DVD release.

This is all the reality of the 1999 anime. Nobody really cared about it, it existed to promote the manga. Hell, it didn't even get any merch sales going. It had an obligatory TCG I think (or just a cardass), but beyond that? Nothing.

>>289067388
No. It's because it's better.
>>289067430
Wtf is this faggot talking about? Moe is what made 2000's anime good. It didn't even exist in the 80s/90s. That was like, pre-moe era. Also 80's anime has a lot of animation techniques you would never see today. Real animation enjoyers will enjoy them.
>invent a standard in your head about why people think old anime is better like "it had less fanservice/moe"
>prove the standard is wrong therefore owning them
Weak ass strawmanning bullshit, man. Get real.
Pantyshots is anime culture. If you don't like them go watch cartoons.

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>>289067430
>OMG I RETURNED TO WATCHING ANIME THANKS TO FRIEREN
Fuck...

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>>289067528
>No. It's because it's better.
It isn't. Not visually, not technically, no part of it is really better.
Unlike you've I've actually SEEN both anime in that webm and do have a deep soft spot for the original, but there is no world where it's winning out in that webm unless you're, again, a contrarian. It's why you can't even say why it's better, because you can't formulate a deeper opinion than simple affirmations. Using buzzwords like "consoomer" and "overanimation".
I'd honestly say the boarding in the original anime is pretty bad in that scene, probably one of the weaker episodes from that section as well. Yaiba and Batguy switch from the right to left side multiple times in just that short clip, the impact isn't good and none of the shots flow into each other that well, and the detransformation shot is incredibly weak.
The new anime has more flair, better direction, the characters are on model, and half the series isn't being outsourced.

>>289067528
You can literally go to r/retroanime and see this type of person exists. Likely the majority of people who started watching anime with Akira or Ninja Scroll

>>289067588
great reply
>>289067614
>you can literally go to r/retroanime
i would rather kill myself unironically

>>289067634
Yeah because I'm right. People who prefer 80s titles are faggots who dont actually like the medium and have seen less than 100 full titles

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I remember back in the 00s I was at my parents house and put on some then new anime to test out a tv. My dad look at it and immediately said, "Why does it look so flat". Even he immediately recognized how shit digital anime looked compared to the stuff everyone was watching in the late 20th century.

>>289057623
Yaiba is an excellent remake and so was Dai in fact better than the originals, still even if exceptions like these ones exist, old anime was better in about everything and I'm not talking only about animation which is probably the only thing new tv anime has improved a bit but also art, composition, backgrounds and freedom, I can't stand how neutered is post 2010 anime.

>>289067667
i wouldnt go that far. '81 urusei yatsura blows a lot of stuff from every decade out of the park, in my opinion. most of my favorite anime are from the 2000s though.

>>289067667
Stop projecting faggot

>>289067710
It's a Rumiko Takahashi show. It doesn't even have a real plot. Remember how Inuyasha lasted for 580 chapters but could have ended in 130?

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>>289067668
He said that because most western animation was Looney Toons, Tom and Jerry, Disney, etc.
Japanese animation was always pretty cheap and flat and people knew that as well back in the day, because a lot of anime does look flat. That's there from the inception.
The anime you posted was an OVA released over the course of 18 months. It better look fucking detailed, you're paying 4000 yen for forty minutes.
Meanwhile, anime actually comparable to the other series in your image looked like this.

>>289051231
Anyone who doubts old good new bad is an unsouled person. Many people, most people, walking around today in fact do not have souls and aren’t really fully human or even fully conscious beings. There’s many tells to identify these people, but regularly doubting “old good, new bad” is an easy way to spot them because anyone with a soul can interact with something from the past and understand how it was better than it’s equivalent today. There literally isn’t a single thing in existence that’s better now than it was 15+ years ago, anyone saying otherwise is an unsouled not fully conscious being who cannot connect with that which exists outside of the current moment.

>>289067758
You're a sociopath and should get checked in with a therapist before you try to shoot up a mall.

>>289067747
there's nothing wrong with it being episodic. not every anime needs to be LoTGH

>>289052275
Covid tourists like you need to go back to watching America’s Got Talent and The Walking Dead

>>289067819
>Covid tourists
You're probably the type of anime fan who got into it during the mid-2010s but say you got into it in 2007, all while having only seen supremely normalfag stuff.

>>289053203
>this but unironically

https://files.catbox.moe/2s0xe3.mp4
it just puts a smile on my face

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>>289067751
No, he was familiar with anime from when I was growing up. Reality rejects your cope.

>>289053315
One aspect of modern anime that I feel gets completely overlooked in discussion is how it’s straight up garish looking now. All the bright , flat, over saturated colors in everything coming out now just look awful, we can’t blame it entirely on animation going digital because this is a pretty recent trend, it really started around 2020 but in recent years it has gotten really extreme and really common. The average anime being released today is an outright assault on the eyes.

>>289067778
When its that long? Yes is is. Especially if you claim its one of the best ever.

>>289067943
Of course they are dbz fags too.

>>289067970
tell me why it's an issue then.

>>289063428
I can’t name a single thing that has come out since the start of this decade that’s worth talking about. Anything decent that came out since 2020 was a continuation of something that already started before then.

>>289063098
And that’s why he’s based

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>>289067528
>It didn't even exist in the 80s/90s.
Bitch, the whole kawaii boom happened precisely because of the 80s. It's just like isekai. This shit has existed for ages but only the modern brain rotted generation needed to create retarded new terms for shit that has already existed.

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>>289067943
>look at this main promotional art for a major film release
>here's how it compares to this throwaway art from a mobage care game
And before you say that that is the digital redraw for the DVD box version of the films, it is not, I own it, I pulled it out and it's not. That's from the DB TCG.
It's funny as well, because Dragon Ball also looked incredibly flat the majority of the time. It had some special episodes because it was a huge production, but don't act like the films are the TV anime, they're not. You're comparing OVAs and films to throwaway card game art and one cour TV anime.

>>289068003
Long running episodic shows tend to get old. Even most American sitcoms know they have to change shit up. Rumiko shows largely do not do that

>>289067960
This is my main gripe with newer stuff as well.
Even if some newer stuff manages to be competently directed and well animated so many anime these days just absolutely fail at actually just looking good coloring wise.
And again, this literally shouldn't be the case. It should be ostensibly true that you COULD completely emulate the look and feel of older cel-animated shows using digital tools alone, digital tools after all afford waaaay more freedom/possibility to creators.

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>>289068063
>Long running episodic shows tend to get old.
yes, because the last thing we want out of our hobby is for it to last and for us to engage with it. You know this is another because big problem. People now don't want to WATCH anime they want to FINISH anime. They want to binge something in a weekend so they can look cool to their fellow list making retards.

>>289057623
top: poor but plain and functional. has its charm, meh.
bottom: impressive effort but rather shallow and tacky use of effects, plus smeared with vaseline. bit embarrassing to shill as an adult.

>>289068008
>I can’t name a single thing that has come out since the start of this decade that’s worth talking about. Anything decent that came out since 2020 was a continuation of something that already started before then.
I think you just don't watch anime then.
Since 2020 there has been
>Sonny Boy
>Bishounen Tanteidan
>Hanako-kun
>Megaton-kyuu Musashi
>Chainsawman (I know it's a meme to hate it, but the production on both anime was incredibly out there and interesting)
>Boku no Kokoro no Yabai Yatsu
>Look Back
>Orb
>ApoHotel
>CITY
>Sanda
>Takopii
>Nippon Sangoku
>Rib Isekai
Those are all worth talking about, have been talked about, I'd say a lot are some of the most interesting anime to come out in decades for their production, their direction, their animation, etc.
The fact that you specifically highlighted continuation makes me think you just don't watch much.

>>289068063
but unlike most american sitcoms (id imagine, couldnt be bothered with them), the urusei yatsura tv series is actually consistently amazing. it has 100+ episodes and two movies of mamoru oshii (objectively a good thing), and i still wish there was more of it. it sounds like you just couldnt be personally bothered to watch it, which is fine.

>>289068101
>impressive effort but rather shallow and tacky use of effects
It barely has any fucking visual effects at all. There's the smoke I guess, a lens flare, but that's nothing.
>plus smeared in vaseline
You know what, just say "overanimation". Just say that. Just use the buzzwords.

>>289067588
>Unlike you've I've actually SEEN
I've watched 600 anime already that's nothing to brag about.
>why you can't even say why it's better
You have the fucking webm and eyes, do I really have to spell it out for you? If you can't tell, that's because you lack taste.
Like you think it's "better direction" if you rotate every panning shot by 30 degrees like every fucking else is doing and then add bloom to all shiny spots like everybody else is doing?
That's not impressive. It's impressive if you have never seen anime. After you see everybody doing the exact same shit for 20 years it's repetitive and unoriginal. Corners cut, trends chased. Playing the safe route. "Optimizing" by doing what is popular.
The more you try to make anime look "professional" and high level the more soulless it looks. Same for illustration. Artists spend hundreds of dollars on hardware/software/brushes/3d models/resources to draw something worse than an oekaki from 20 years ago done with the mouse on shitty paint program.
You're putting lipstick on a soulless pig. Put the soul back then the lipstick doesn't matter.
>>289067614
Every goddamn retro anime community is about evangelion and yu yu hakusho and they never talk about other anime like garzey's wing, 3x3 eyes or even shamanic princess. Like, am I supposed to take someone seriously who hasn't even watched shamanic princess? The fuck you watching retro anime for? If you know Lain and Lum but not Ryoko I think you're just larping by watching popular old anime desu.
>>289068046
That's not moe though. It's its own aesthetic.

>>289068130
you are retarded for the first portion of your comment. you basically admitted you didnt actually watch/dont care about yaiba.
>the more you try to put effort into making anime look good, the more soulless it is
genuine retard
>garzey's wing, shamanic princess
both trash, you aren't special for watching these

>>289068109
I was willing to ignore Hanako-kun but you lost me at Chainsoi

>>289051272
>they
4chan is so dead you can saturate it with spam posted by a five year old for less than the power bill from running bots

>>289068123
I mean effects in a broader sense. but yes that lens flare among other things is tacky. just admit you have bad taste and like tacky shit smeared with vaseline. we can tell.

>>289067758
I'm not a conspiracy theorist but I'd buy into the modern people don't have souls theory since it makes sense to me desu
>>289068156
>soulless coping

>>289068092
Are you suggesting the author of Inuyasha makes works worth engaging in? Can you stop being a nostalgia fag?

>>289068130
>I've watched 600 anime already that's nothing to brag about.
That wasn't the point. The point was that I've seen both anime in the webm. I've also read the manga, and I read the manga BECAUSE of the original anime. I've been talking Yaiba for years.
You haven't seen either of them, because this series has never been popular even within Japan. It only got a remake because Aoyama is a big name and Wit Studio had staff infatuated with the series, it's a passion project, not a financially viable project.
>Like you think it's "better direction" if you rotate every panning shot by 30 degrees like every fucking else is doing
As opposed to the original anime, in that instance, flipping what side of the frame each character is on multiple times in the span of a few seconds, creating an unintended disorienting effect that detracts from the (minimal) animation.
>Corners cut, trends chased. Playing the safe route.
Not only is it ironic to say this about the Yaiba remake, it's ironic to say that about this episode in particular, which was key animated by ONE PERSON. Not because they were cheap but because he wanted to do an animation showcase and highlight his skills and style, it is one of the most fun and impressive episodes of anime in a show that is almost all fun and impressive episodes already (no other episode is solo key animated, just that one by the way).
>make anime look "professional"
What does this even mean here. That webm is cartoony as hell, there's squash and stretch, there's cuts there solely to emphasize a moment or motion, it's as anime as anime can be. Unlike Ufotable's work, the Yaiba remake is done by people who understand the fundamentals as laid out back in the 60s and 70s for anime.
You're a fucking retard who doesn't watch anime. Who lies about how much anime they watched, who is arguing about two shows that you have never and will never watch. You're a waste of space that should be put donw.

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What would a 2026 version of this picture look like?

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>>289068130
>that's not moe

>>289068161
>Hanako-kun
Very fun show, impressive use of a clearly limited production. Most of the show isn't even animated really, and it works in spite of that.
>Chainsoi
The production on the show and the film is good. I know you get in twitter arguments about it or whatever, it's popular so you have to hate it, but I will remember certain episodes of Chainsaw Man more than I'll remember fucking most 00s and 2010s anime.

>>289068168
>tacky shit smeared with vaseline
You know, speaking like this on a subject often denotes someone lacking any intimate familiarity with the subject.

>>289067839
>incorrect assessment
>Non-argument
>Buttmad over being correctly identified as a covid tourist
Don’t worry, Love Island is still airing, you can go watch that instead of pretending you like anime. In a few years anime will fall out of the mainstream and you won’t have to force yourself to keep watching JJK and One Piece

>>289068244
you really are just projecting, secretly.

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>>289068244
I had to look up what Love Island was, but the fact that the only things you mentioned were it and Jump adaptations really indicates that you're the normalfag here. You probably don't watch a whole lot of anime.
I do though.

>>289051231
Slurpers ITT will have literal stick figures in 2040 remake and will tell you it's fine. Zoomers are that retarded

>>289068201
>lies about how much anime they watched
Why would I lie about a metric I'm embarrassed about...

>>289068236
you speak like you are butthurt. alright then. once you calm down, come to terms with your taste.

>>289068299
Because you're attempting to talk yourself up over it.

>>289068226
The only thing I remember from Chainsoi is that they animated the episode of that faggot black haired tard really well for no reason at all, like the director was trying to show off how artsy he was and in reality it was pathetic as fuck

>>289068308
>cries
I win.

>>289068317
why do you talk like a black person

>>289068309
>you haven't seen enough anime so you don't know what you're talking about
>no, you're lying, you haven't seen that much anime
Is this what too much >>289053403 does to a mfer?

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>>289068053
Now here's a 1980 tv anime for you to seethe, cope and shit your pants about

>>289068358
>mfer
couldnt be more normalfag zoomer. just kill yourself, seriously.

Moe anime is just Seinfeld but with cute anime girls.

>>289068332
I'm not, don't bring niggers out of nowhere schizo

>>289068367
I can't die yet. People are wrong on the internet.

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>>289068396
i often think this.

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>>289068360
That is one actual 1980 (specifically 82) TV anime. Space Cobra, directed by Osamu Dezaki.
But you see, choosing a Dezaki anime was like if I picked a Wit or a KyoAni anime to show off how great modern anime is. It'd be cheating, because these are the prestige titles that have extensive healthy productions where everything is ensured to be perfect before release. Hell, the episode you chose was a fucking Sugino episode.
By the time of Space Cobra, Dezaki was an established director who could pull tons of talent in for his projects, even on works he wasn't actively the Director for (like Ace 2).
But keeping on Dezaki, before that point he had a show like the original Ace wo Nerae, again very flat and this work was arguably FAR more influential and part of the groundwork for what anime is. You can watch it and see the DNA for the entire Monogatari Series and Shaft's visual flair being laid out.

>>289068360
Let me guess. You found that on retroanime didnt watch it and didnt notice this part took up a huge amount of the budget

>>289068449
that is a 4chan filename, schizo. the only one using retroanime here is you. i didn't even know it was a subreddit until you mentioned it 50 posts ago

>>289068109
Half of this list is ass, the other half looks like some of them might be decent. Also I was about to say Hanako Kun doesn’t count because it started before 2020 but after double checking it did start airing in 2020, but it was like the second week of 2020 so that doesn’t really count. I also want to take back what I said about NOTHING good coming out since 2020 because it’s actually been a really good year for ecchi, and that’s worth recognizing. Still, this decade has not been very good for anime, although I don’t like most 80s anime either, to address the original point that all of this stemmed from. 90s/2000s/2010s were all far better than both the 80s and the 2020s

>>289068274
>the only things you mentioned were it and jump adaptations really indicates that you’re the normalfag here
Try reading it again and thinking really hard about the context of what you’re reading and why I might have done that.

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>>289068444
>noooooo it's doesn't count because the director is too good
Here's a 1960s tv anime. Next excuse?
Funny how you keep coming up with copes rather than posting modern stuff. lmfao

>>289068449
Don't ever try me, newfaggot. You're out of your depth.

>>289068491
That's a defensible opinion. Its just when people start unironically talking about 80s anime being good its fucking annoying.

>>289068396
And that’s why it’s great.

>>289068444
Why do you faggots talk about directors so much? I don't know the name of a single director OR animator. I don't even remember the titles of every anime I ever watched.
>>289068449
Cobra has some of the most beautiful women in all anime. Real women (adults) with normal curves. Not lolis. Not retarded thighs. Not balloonic breast tumors. Actual ladies.
Not everyone wastes their time seething about R*ddit like you. Some of us just watch good anime.

>>289068544
Ok then go watch some fucking speed racer. Nobody fucking cares about your fag boomer shit.

>>289068563
Normal fag opinion. Goes back to.

>>289067430

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>>289068360
Fuck year Cobra

>>289068544
Okay, what you posted is on my side. It's very flat, a lot of cheap tricks in the animation, looks about as good as a typical modern anime. I don't even get your point in posting this. It's emblematic of how cheap anime was and still in line with the principles established all the way back in 1963 by Tetsuwan Atom's stilted and pose heavy stylings.
The reason why I took issue with the Cobra clip was because it was exceptional, especially for the time. This one is also exceptional, but that's within the context of its series. What's seen here would just become standard for anime. Hell, you wanna post a 60s series, Ninpuu Kamui Gaiden and Sasuke were right there.
>>289068563
I mean, if you can't name a single director or animator, do you really like anime?

>>289068652
he obviously at least knows miyazaki but now, there's a certain type of autism involved with checking anidb staff listings every new episode

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No excuses, just bring your very best. Protip: it won't be good enough.

>>289068652
>It's very flat
No it isn't.
>looks about as good as a typical modern anime.
Prove it.

>>289068678
You dont have to know everything. I forgot dudes name, but I know Shin Mazinger, G Gundam, and Giant Robo had the same director. Those types of things are pretty important for understanding what you're watching. If you want better insight

>>289068652
I like anime, not anime directors.

>>289068697
i agree

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Old anime equivalent of this? Surely you have it since you claim most old anime was poorly animated.

>>289068705
You are just mindlessly lapping shit up if you dont know 5 directors you like.

>>289068786
i kind of get what anon means though, it's a childlike innocence. it's like how when you watch totoro as a kid and you're just dazzled by it, you like totoro as a kid, not miyazaki.

>>289053315
You mean parallax timing errors I assume, yeah they've gotten really bad.
Part of layouts getting worse. You used to time those in the layout now they have animatics and they still fuck it up.

>>289068729
That one scene from Fist of the North Star where the animator just wobbles the animation cel in front of the camera.

>>289068786
Why the hell would I know the director? Do you know the directors of the movies you watch, of the games you play?
What difference would it make?
If an anime is made in the 90's by one director and the same director makes an anime in the 10's, it looks worse.
Like Motonaga Keitarou directed Rayearth, Patlabor and HxH.
Then he did Jormungand, Maji de Watashi ni Koi Shinasai! and Beginning After the End.
So... is he supposed to make those anime look like Rayearth when he isn't even an animator? He can't do that.
There's nothing that a single person can do to undo decades of enshitification of an industry.

>>289069060
They're just coming up with endless copes because they can't produce any actual proof for their claims. Therefore they attack with logical fallacies and unsubstantiated claims when they should just be posting animation.

>>289068652
>I mean, if you can't name a single director or animator, do you really like anime?
I've met people who couldn't tell you the name of their favorite series author but they'll list you off a dozen DUB actors.

>>289068697
You're never gonna remember every name but I'd think if you consider yourself a hard core fan of something you'd at least know the big shit. There's a difference between listing in between animators and the fucking director.

>>289068729
Yes dude. We literally see Hokuto no Ken with endless stock animation fights and Kenshiro ripping through his shirt every episode.

>>289069323
Stock animation is not the same as bad animation. Also proof.

>>289069386
Ok so you didn't actually watch it.

>>289064988
https://www.youtube.com/watch?si=6XdLkc0ovMYF2o-p&v=hANaSlH9wpw&feature=youtu.be

Then why does HxH99 have one of the best shounen openings out there that mogs all modern shounen opening songs and visuals?

>>289069400
Ok so you didn't actually watch it.

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>>289056258
>careful scene composition
The character to be placed on the right of the screen and the background on the left is cinema for dummies, not careful one.
>clear action
here
>>289053403
>beautiful backgrounds
Just you miss le magic of whatever technique was used before digital took over
>better connection between frames
Connection of frames is to make movement, there is better way to montage and better way to animate not better connection of frames
>better at conveying their nascent relationship dynamic
Another way to say you miss cell animation before digital
You are just another failed art student

>>289068109
>Chainsawman (I know it's a meme to hate it, but the production on both anime was incredibly out there and interesting)
It's not a meme. People genuinely hate it, especially the Japanese, which is part of the reason the director got fired. Also, Megaton-kyuu Musashi as your mecha pick instead of Bravern? And for romance, I'd choose Mahoaku over BokuYaba.

>>289070009
>twitter screencap
argument irrelevant, you are trash

>>289070009
This is sunken cost fallacy.
You keep trying to explain why digital is good because you need to justify an industry's decades long investment in it.
You can't cope with the fact that the anime industry actually crippled itself by moving to digital.
If you admit this, you'll get BTFO too hard to ever recover.

>>289055877
Wada would say this but she wouldn't have a nose.

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>>289070075
>Outed as a failed art student
>Le xitter screencap boogeyman
>Ha! Argument invalid! I win!
Win too stay a failed art student who did not even read a book about cinematography to understand all the shit you are sperging. Like a normalfag or a schizo youtube critic does.

>>289051231
In this case both are shit since Rurouni Kenshin was written by a pedophile.

>>289070192
im a different anon, you're just a massive retard

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>>289070100
So you sperged all that shit just to say "I le miss cell animation" despite even drawers back then started to get tired of it by the late nineties.
Animators just moved to what they saw as easier to do than caring what some fatass behind a screen thinks or spergs on image boards lol.

>>289070216
Do I look like I know or care about who wrote Kenshin?
I repeat myself. Why do you guys care about this.

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>>289070234
You are different...kind of retard :3

>>289070252
That's a whole ass difference sentence.
Learn to read, faggot.
What I said was "le cell animation is way better than this digital garbage and I miss it very much"
Just "miss it" sounds like it's about. That it's subjective.
I'm merely stating the objective truth.

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>>289070313
The truth that animators got tired of it and moved to digital regardless what anons on the internet say.

You ever notice how digitalfags never actually post animation?

>>289070376
>implying the lowest paid employees have a say on how the business is run
Anon...

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Cell fags will always cry no matter what because is not cell animation.
Even when back then it was 80% color atmosphere and 20% animation.

>>289070415
>Nooo! employes wanted to keep getting low pay on suicide-inducing conditions for the love of art unlike today where they get lower pay than before but get draw from home outside suicide-inducing environment.

>>289070269
>Do I look like I know or care about who wrote Kenshin?
You should if you actually read/watch it.

>Why do you guys care about this.
Why do you if you said you don't care about who wrote it? Unless you're hiding something about yourself.

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>>289051231
All I can say is that 3rd opening was fire for the new series.

>>289070478
>unlike today where they get lower pay than before
Wow anon I'm starting to think moving to digital had nothing to do with better quality it was all about lower wages!

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>>289070567
And lack of skills from new animators, since longign for cell animation does not make your drawing more fitting for the director's taste; It only makes you an unskillful crying faggot.

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like we have so many direct comparisons yet lol contrarians seething

>>289070625
>sovlful art taste doesn't make u a good wagie slave
Thank god lmao

>>289070643
>Does not realize the HUGE problem of proportions on the right
Suuuuuuuureeeeee....digital....not drawing skills...nor incompetent direction...definitely not that

>>289070671
>Does not realize the HUGE problem of line variability, contrast, texture and blending on the right
Shuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut.....the fuck........up........retard

>>289070665
So now you want AI to make anime?
>This was a silicon valley shill thread all along

>>289070705
>cell animation mussies are so high on their farts about muh vibe to realize the quality of drawing
see they will cry because is not cell animated regardless if the drawing proportions is aesthetically pleasurable or not.

>>289070705
>line variability
One is a t-shirt the other one is a shirt, different fabric thus different nature on the lines, regardles the technique of animation.
You did not even try at art school

>>289070781
>doesn't even understand or see basic illustration concepts like line variability
Holy shit lmfao you just lost forever

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>>289070841
The seifuku of the girl has the same variability of lines both left and right because they are from the same fabric, unlike the guy. However
>Illustration concept
>line variability
On illustration it points towards the objects proportions and behavior they point on the space inside the frame. Both pictures taka the same proportion, space and behavior even including the camera on the picture of the right.
From which youtuber you learned that maxim of "variability of lines".