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Volume 59
The Five Kage
Chapter 557: Steam Imp!!
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So is this Boil Release?
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Can't you just scream out you're hiding?
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>>289159526
He explained it twice now and it still makes no sense.
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>>289159522
>So is this Boil Release?

I don't think so. It would certainly make sense if it was, but it seems like it's supposed to be a water-in-the-body ability of the Hoozuki clan combined with an oil power, which Jiraiya has as a non-element thing.
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>>289159576
>I WON'T HELP YOU ANYMORE CUZ IF YOU CAN'T BEAT ME THEN YOU WON'T BEAT THE """ENEMY BOSS""" EITHER!!!
That sounds really retarded
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B&W
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>>289159575
shonen manga "physics"
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>>289159718
This is completely nonsensical.
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Steam Imp's probably one of the more creative abilities to come out of the War Arc.
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Am I having a stroke or is everything about this mizukage dude's abilities kinda nonsensical and his tools a completely random assortment of things he can do?
Like what is the oil even for other than making specifically Gaara's sand useless?
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>>289159824
The giant clam that casts genjutsu is also a really unique summoning.
The Mizukage is generally one of the cooler characters from this arc.
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Done!
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>>289159884
We know he can use the oil he "secretes" for things like the water gun jutsu. He probably uses it for other offensive jutsu. The whole oil thing also might have been a byproduct of Steam Imp and he just found other uses for it.
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>>289159607
This coloring doesn't do the danger of the fight any justice.

It's supposed to be a deadly explosion, but all it does is making hail go all over the place.
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>>289159607
Was it really crucial for Gaara to give the sand statue of his mother big tits?
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>>289159556
He's such a funny character, love that Mizukage.

>>289159576
>>289159651
Nothing stupid about it, it's a very standard "well, if you can't beat me it's all over anyway". Although it's not perfectly logically sound and you'd still want to save as many lives as possible no matter what even if the odds are only 0.1%, you have to remember this guy is from a time of constant warring and battlefields, surely he's not as sensitive about loss of life as we'd be.
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>>289159703
SCIENCE FTW
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>>289159884
Yeah, it's just dumb bullshit.
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>>289159682
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>>289159718
I like that fight.
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>>289160058
>The whole oil thing also might have been a byproduct of Steam Imp and he just found other uses for it
I guess.
The whole steam imp thing makes no sense to me though. Let's put aside how moving around somehow boils the water, I don't really see any mechanic that would lead to an explosion. It's possible Kishi understands physics better than me, but I think an explosion should happen if it either gets heated super fast or builds a huge amount of pressure and the imp slowly growing bigger negates both of these things at once.
Also if there's a steam explosion and the water turns into hail, where does the water for the next steam explosion come from?
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>>289160593
It's just a shonen ability, not exactly a science course or something. Speed -> kinetic energy and friction -> heat. Water boils, pressure piles up, imp gets bigger in response to that, then explodes (you can probably assume it waits for more pressure to pile up at a consistent volume and then explodes for maximum impact)

I think it's fine. It's a bit confusing but it's creative and I'd like it a lot more if Kishimoto went with these things more often instead of shitty flashbacks and circles that take Shikamaru 2 chapters to figure out.
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>>289159489
why does an edo zombie experience fatigue?
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>>289160416
>Nothing stupid about it, it's a very standard "well, if you can't beat me it's all over anyway"
It's not like he even knew who the "enemy boss" was anyway. It feels dumb and forced.
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>>289160593
It's a piston
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>>289160779
It's an incredibly standard development, both for battle shonen and really for a lot of stories involving fighting, you could probably find similar examples of this even in western stuff like capeshit. It's kind of stupid to complain about something as simple and straightforward.
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>>289160839
Yes, it is stupid because of the context given. He has no way of knowing how op the summoner is or if he has another stronger Edo up his sleeve.
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>>289160785
Doesn't that one "explode" after contracting? The mechanics don't seem similar at all.
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>>289160901
Summoner has summoned dozens of Kage threats and probably has more in his pockets. Look obviously on a perfectly rational analysis you'd want to help the good guys as much as possible with every inch of your being, this guy isn't PERFECTLY logical and has his own perspective on things. It's not convoluted at all. This gets a pass in dozens, hundreds, thousands of stories.
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>>289159884
Mist ninjas are very versatile being able to fight like actual ninja using water and lighting.
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>>289160901
>Totally obvious common sense inference is somehow stupid
Feels like you're just looking for a reason to complain about nothing.
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>>289159453
If there's one thing I've grown sick of in manga/anime it's characters instantly deducing out an opponent's technique and giving a detailed explanation of it.
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>>289161138
>dude he obviously knew Madara was gonna be revived and that the summoner is super strong
You're a retard.
Going by your logic, Orochimaru is also Hashirama tier because he resurrected him.
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Blonde karin
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>>289160768
In this case, it's because he split off a significant portion of his body and chakra.
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Gengetsu? Third strongest Kage of all time
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I don't really remember the fight with this guy at all.
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>>289161215
>deducing
Mu told him about it apparently
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>>289161523
Looks like a male.
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>>289159509
ohnoki is so OP they had to nerf him in the dumbest way possible
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>>289161659
None of his gimmicks seem to do a lot? Like his steam explosion barely even hurt a clone, in between explosions it's basically just down to a clone running around punching people and it significantly weakens him while doing it without anything to actually cover him.
The only difficulty is that they keep trying to seal him with sand which gets countered by oil.
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>>289161995
Gaara could've gotten seriously hurt by that clone apparently if not for his own clone, I think even the imp is dangerous if you don't have good defenses. It can slash at you with water too
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>>289161995
Gaara is by far the most defensive Shinobi in the series. And even he had to use something uncommong for him like gold dust.
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>>289160379
Titties add defense
It's why Tsunade is so tanky
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>>289159489
Im getting bored of sensory ninja. It's like Haki. Author is too lazy to come up with ways the heroes figure out how to deal with a stealthy NINJA opponent and just have a sensory ninja in every battle. He even gave Naruto super special and unique sense so he never has to think about this aspect of battles ever again.
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>>289162931
Some other anons have said this before, but sensory types really were a terrible addition to this series. Not only do they ruin the element of stealth and surprise, which should be one of the more important concepts for a series about ninjas, but they're also another thing that shits on the Hyugas and the Byakugan, because their 360 vision feels a lot less useful when you can just have people mentally sense the location of the enemies.
Maybe it would've been better if it was something only Karin could do, but sensory types are pretty much everywhere (fuck, even Ino is a sensory type).
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>>289163158
Even FUCKING MINATO IS A SENSORY TYPE
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>>289159607
Uhh... beowbs
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>>289159668
Gaara has tanked worse.
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>>289159718
The fights against Mu, the Mizukage and fat Raikage were good.
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>>289161523
Waste of time, there are better blondes already
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>>289161215
Especially in an fight like this where the opponents want to be defeated.
Couldn't Mizukage have just explained this himself?
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>>289161847
Karin would be hotter as a femboy.
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I wonder what crazy shit Mei will pull. Mizikage had by far the most interesting abilities
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>>289162712
It was just a random unprotected clone and it barely too damage though. And you don't even have to get rid of the clone, if he wasn't an edo you could just kill the weakened original dude.
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>>289163968
Desert where Gaara had increased senses. Still had a sensory ninja point out where Gengetsu is. Both sides has advantages. Gaara was well equiped to deal with Gengetsu.
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>>289163886
I thought her performance against Sasuke was pretty cool.
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>>289163886
>I wonder what crazy shit Mei will pull. Mizikage had by far the most interesting abilities

haha yeah, Kishi wouldn't let us down with Mei, haha.
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>>289164067
I mean he doesn't have the clam anymore (though if it's regular genjutsu, even that shouldn't be too hard to break), so why would it be hard to find him?
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>>289164196
Because the exploding clone is harrassing you
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>>289161523
delicious. flat. ASS! But she still looks better with red hair tho
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>>289161523
What if Naruto had a secret sister?
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>>289164228
Idk, kinda just feels like a lot of "mechanics" but not a lot of damage actually being done by him.
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>>289159453
>Tracing Mizu Luffy
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>>289159718
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>>289160057
Arigatou, OP!
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>>289163647
Who are your favorite blondes?
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>>289164540
the name of the jutsu is Joki Boi, after all
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would it have been cooler if mei took gengetsu down so she could show how she surpassed the previous generation?
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>>289160379
anon, he LOVES his mother...
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>>289164853
Anon, surpassing the previous generation only applies to team 7 and team 10.
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>>289164853
Would've been cool if she could've done anything in general.
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>>289159648
He got the timing wrong...
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>>289164948
and gaara! and kankuro, even though it was presented horribly and i don't believe he really did!

>>289164978
yeah... but at least we got gengetsu swooning over gaara's lack of eyebrows. you know, the important stuff
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She kicked black zetsu's ass
Isn't that enough?
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>>289165084
no....
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Why is Gaara effectively soloing this guy?
Couldn't Kishi have another character to aid Gaara and Ohnoki?
>Naru-
Not him.
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>>289165164
Sorry, all the other chunin and jonin only know how to throw a kunai.
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>>289159453
>talking is a free action
Always hated this shonen trope, this is a battle not a fucking TED talk
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>>289165164
Gaara had some aid. Like Onoki breaking the clam. Gaara is a monster tho.
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>>289165164
Gaara wouldn't solo him, even though he's one of the best guys for the job.
Remember this guy tied with Mu.
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>>289159576
this is so goofy
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Hiashi won.
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Could Neji do anything against Gengetsu?
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gaara's speech to the allied forces is similar to one by obama.

>gaara
There are no enemies here in front of me !! For we ALL bear the pain of having been hurt by the
AKATSUKI ! There is no Sand, no Stone, no Leaf, no Mist, or Cloud !! There is only SHINOBI!

>obama
There's not a liberal America and a conservative America; there's the United States of America. There's not a black America and white America and Latino America and Asian America; there's the United States of America.

and a jp link pointing it out:
https://konohanogenin.hatenablog.com/entry/36398606
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>>289165372
getting blown up?

I guess he MIGHT have a chance to block the explosion with kaiten.. but we're talking high Kage level threats, that's beyond his paycheck
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>>289159703
>gold is about 20 times heavier than water
How does Gaara know this
Did he learn that in high school chemistry
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>>289165393
Hey now, he PUSHED 30% of Kisame off balance once!
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>>289165405
Rasa told him.
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>>289165164
Because he's a Kage? Which kind of question is that?
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>>289165405
Not everyone is clueless as Naruto
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>>289165507
To be fair you'd know gold is heavy but maybe not the exact number. I think the explanation would be that he's used to it because it's Rasa's power
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>>289165475
Gaara already solo'd Rasa.
I dunno, make the other shinobi not seen so useless?
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>>289165372
>Gengetsu summons demon clam
>Genjutsu mist covers the area
>Neji uses Byakugan
>It fails to locate Gengetsu because byakugan is not immune to Genjutsu. Byakugan and Sensing are fundamentally different.
>Neji dies
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>>289165544
They've been pretty much fighting 2 Kage vs 1 with some support from the others (that chakra sensor who found the Mizukage) and still were in dangerous positions. All that while the Mizukage was telling them what to do and Ohnoki had full intel on his abilities. I think that guy's been well established as powerful and dangerous.
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>>289159718
Browless nigga season
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>>289165544
Who would even help against Mizukage? Pretty sure Naruto would job horribly to that skillset
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>>289165599
Maybe Naruto could sense him but he'd have trouble dealing with the imp without blowing it up on his face

I think Gaara and Ohnoki was probably the best team to handle it. Very versatile
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>>289165576
I feel like most jonin should be able to handle genjutsu.
Then again Kishi seems to have forgotten than counter measures for genjutsu actually existed and now you need special abilities specifically not to autolose to them.
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Neji is a GENIUS and one of the most promising prospects of the ENTIRE Konoha village in part 1... stop talking shit about him. He deserves a high jonin tier in that powerscale chart, no even a kage tier.
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>>289165576
Surely, Neji could at least locate all the illusions and potentially the real Gengetsu too, no?
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>>289159509
>MY BA-ACK!
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>>289159509
>Tracing Togashi.
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>Neji
>Hinata
Maybe if they revealed some long-range techniques. Kaiten might help protecting from the techniques
>Shino
Heated steam seems to be a hard counter to bugs
>Ino
Honestly could work, possession could be useful
>Shikamaru
Too chaotic for him
>Choji
>Lee
>Kiba
Close-range characters so they would be BTFO
>Sai
Maybe he could try something? I think his paintings would just melt on oil though
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>>289165625
Genjutsu is a MASSIVELY flawed concept with the way it works. It basically works as paralysis. And wether you know you are under genjutsu or not it doesn't matter. What matters is if you are an Uchiha or plot relevant enough to where Kishi is kind enough to not have you face any genjutsu.
>EKHEM EKHMINATOHEM!!!

Gengetsu's genjutsu is among the fairest. It's just a mirage and you can stop it by locating the clam.
Visual genjutsu like Itachi's, there is little interractivity. You dared to open your eyes in a direction of an Uchiha? You are now his mind slave forever.

A rule for most Genjutsu's I would make is this.
>If you know you are under a genjutsu, you can break it.
That simple. It would make most effective genjutsu subtle. Like the trick Sasuke used. Or in a heat of the battle, you cast a genjutsu that messes with their vision. You know they will break it, but they still have to do it. And that's a precious moment in your favor. Super genjutsus that cannot be broken even if you know of it would be exceptional and extremely rare.
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Kurenai could dispel this genjutsu btw.
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What does oil have to do with control of water? for a while know I've felt like Kishimoto just sneaks in control of (random element/thing) just because the character is supposed to be powerful
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Would Kakashi help here? He was struggling against Zabuza before
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>>289165674
Look kid. If his part 1 feats were allowed he'd probably be high Jonin along with Lee. But it's a shippuden tier list. They are stronger and they can't even make it to high jonin. I give them credit where it's due. They did good against a Kisame clone. 30% chakra not 30% power. That's a common misconception.
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Why is hating Jews in the modern age celebrated but hating the Uchiha is still considered wrong? They were behind everything and was involved in all the major plots to destroy the world. People will claim it is hating and destroying the mass for the crimes of a few. But it was literally only one clan, maybe a few hundred at best with a generous estimate. Their massacre is a drop in the bucket compared to the amount of damage they do everytime they get emotional. It's not even anywhere near the amount of a traditional "genocide".
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>>289165971
>30% chakra not 30% power. That's a common misconception
I'm stupid what's the difference
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>>289165943
He'd do good in helping Gaara.
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>>289166002
Less mana equal power.
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>>289166081
And before anyone says its stupid that Kisame clone is equal in combat prowess to real Kisame, the very same arc introduced mud traps that spawned perfect copies of Team Guy.
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>>289165825
Why would any of the K11 be able to take one of the guys who sits pretty comfortably at the top of the powerscale, only one tier below the absolute freaks (Hashirama, Madara, Kabuto)
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>>289166138
Because powerscalling isn't real
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>>289166272
You're not wrong, powerscaling is kind of bullshit and Kishimoto would make crazy things happen if he wanted to, but you can still have a sense that these guys just don't play in the same ballpark
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>>289159904
I'm the anon who posted the huge takedown of the Naruto/Raikag3 fight earlier, and I honestly don't have much to say about the Mizukage's fight. It doesn't jump off the page as stupid and nonsensical to me, maybe to a physicist the gold shit would be stupid, probably something about water vapor not being hot enough to melt gold or something, but it works for what it is. Gaara did a thing, the Imp can't move fast. I get it, and it works with the internal logic of the powers of the characters. Gaara's whole thing is if you can move faster than his sand like Lee did, he has a problem. So naturally, in his late-series fights where the opponents are immortal kages, and they're really fast, he has to come up with unique ways to slow them down or speed up his sand. I dig it! I give this fight a 6/10. It would have been the worst fight in the SRA, but here in part two it's a-okay with me.
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>>289165911
Yeah, I'd do pretty much the same you did. Genjutsu can be broken, but you can try to be subtle, use it to gain momentum and maybe mentally tire your opponent.
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>>289161215
It's literally explained in the next 2 pages why Onoki knows about it, speedreader-kun
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>>289166346
>It would have been the worst fight in the SRA
Nah. Despite being shorter than most SRA fights it has much better choreography and tactics than most. Choji threw 2 punches. Kiba did 2 things. If you look at the current chapter you can see a bit more action, or at the very least more action per page than most SRA fights.

Wouldn't be the best SRA fight obviously, but far from the worst too.
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>>289165825
Kiba and Akamaru could just close their eyes and locate Gengetsu with through smell.
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>>289159435
fucking huge
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>>289166295
We're not asking for Naruto's class to trade blows with the kages, just help in any shape or form.
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>>289159703
steam obviously can't get enough to melt gold
what a fucking stupid fight
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>>289166816
Clam farts stuff their noses
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>>289166863
Clams don't fart.
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>>289166848
I'm glad this was a Gaara and Ohnoki (Kage) fight rather than trying to force these weak ass chuunin to do shit.

People don't like to hear it, but Ohnoki is far more of a character than most of the so called K11.
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>>289166836
Looks kinda flat there desu.
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>>289166385
I don't give a shit just have the fucking fight happen then have characters figure out how said power works. Use the visuals to convey elements of your story once in a while without resorting to tedious exposition dumbs.
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>>289166615
Kiba had a protracted stalking scene that had real tension and body horror elements and fit pitch perfect with the arc and the themes
Chouji was obviously the shortest and an argument could be made the weakest of the SRA fights and it was designed to be that was, the first fight was always going to be short to keep up with the pace of the rest of the chase
This fight had Ohnoki hurt his old man back and be silly, and the Mizukage yelling out how to defeat him to no avail because he was just that strong
It was silly and I liked it but like I said, this fight plucked and inserted into the SRA would have been tonal whiplash and surely regarded as the arc's worst
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>>289167087
>Kiba had a protracted stalking scene that had real tension and body horror elements
I'll agree with that. That was neat. The choreography, however, was bottom of the barrel tier. That page where he gets kicked is genuinely one of the worst Kishimoto drew.
>this fight plucked and inserted into the SRA would have been tonal whiplash
Sure, I'm judging this fight on its own and with a focus on choreography more than the rest. I can see someone ranking Choji vs Jirobo higher than this fight because they really like Choji's character and seeing him break out of his shell, for instance, but from an actual "fight" standpoint this fights obviously shits all over Choji's 2 punches. Theme wise I don't think this fight is bad either, it doesn't have THAT much to it but the "golden child" delivery at the end with Gaara using his father's gold to get the edge (which is kind of interesting on its own)... it's pretty good.

It's a short, pretty sweet fight with two weird crafty gimmicks (clam and imp) that mainly stands out for the gimmick and the Mizukage's charisma. I like that it involves a lot of characters. It's an easy 7/10 for me, maybe even 8, in the sense that I can't criticize Kishimoto for much in this fight, I'm not missing choreography, I think the characters and movesets were interesting, I think the pacing was good.
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>>289167087
Nta
The character work for Gengetsu's fight was really good...but it was possible because it was more light hearted. More like a test as he put it. The ending wouldn't be as wholeaome if in the middle of the fight he really did shoot Onoki to death. The tone would be more serious, in line with part 1, but the direction would have to change going forward
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>>289166886
Who said it had to be the konoha 11?
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>>289167392
This post

>>289166848
>We're not asking for Naruto's class to trade blows with the kages, just help in any shape or form.

Anyway I'm not sure who else could or should've been involved here.
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>>289167418
I would be ok with non K11 characters helping, should've clarified that.
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Was Naruto breaking pre established rules (using clones while in kcm) and spreading out to all these battlefields a mistake?

Maybe someone else could have been clutch against 3rd Raikage. Temari? Show something new she has learned in this two years.

It's not like Naruto is starving for fights and panel time.
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>>289167528
Naruto was kind of missing a few fights at this point, the Pain arc helped but he really did nothing before that. The only sad thing is that Mu doing things happened offscreen imo
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>>289159607
Sand titties
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>>289160057
Thanks, OP
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>>289166886
>>289167418
Why do anons (or just one anon idk) constantly seethe at the suggestion of make these recurring side characters do something useful instead of just constantly appearing but never actually doing anything.
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>>289167876
I'm fine with side characters being useful. Oonoki was useful. So was Gaara. All I'm against is shoving characters that don't really have thematic relevance or abilities in fights where they don't belong. I'd have loved to see team Guy do things during the Gaara rescue arc, but not against this Mizukage.
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So, was Gengetsu at fault for the mist to be this warmongering shit-hole was that entirely on Yagura?
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how the fuck did the mizukage die if he was this OP?
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>>289167910
I mean, i don't see how say, Team 8 locating the real Gengetsu would be out of place but i see the point.
And knowing Kishi, if he'd make InoShikaCho do that too if he wanted more side character action.
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>>289168134
Mu was OP too.
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>>289168181
>Team 8 locating the real Gengetsu
Yeah this could happen. I'm not fundamentally against it.

I guess you can see it that way, remember when InoShikaCho showed up at the Kinkaku frontlines and singlehandedly saved everything? That was a bit much realistically and was criticized for it by some other anons. I don't think it was bad, but that's the challenge of writing your characters alongside thousands of others.

Rather than saying I don't want the guys we know to do stuff, I'm saying I'm impressed by Kishimoto's willingness to let the world breathe even if only for a tiny bit and have no-names like pic related achieve things. Actually I really like that rubber guy. Or that one sensor >>289159489
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>>289168129
>So, was Gengetsu at fault for the mist to be this warmongering shit-hole was that entirely on Yagura?

Mainly on Yagura and the Third Mizukage before him. It's implied that both of them were controlled by Madara (or "Madara"), though.
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remember when the byakugan's ability to sense chakra was a prized ability targeted by other villages and now this coalition of shinobi has 500 "sensory types"? when the fuck did it become a "type"?
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>>289168405
Yeah it's pretty busted. Although to be fair there aren't many sensory types, this seems mostly rare.
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>>289160379
>>289159607
Imagine sand paizuri
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>>289159718
I havent cared about a daily chapter since April
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>>289168405
Byakugan can see chakra from all directions just by staying active, most sensory ninjas need to do a hand sign and concentrate to perform similar feats
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These threads are pretty sad. It's gonna be great with this general runs out of chapters to see what comes next.
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>>289168799
Nothing. We don't need a daily Naruto thread. Right now (some) people are still (kind of) interested enough to read a chapter daily and react to it, but after that I'll be glad to not talk Naruto for a long time.
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>>289159703
so this guy had 0 fighting skills? Everything he did was spam illusions and stay hidden
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>>289168799
I hope he does boruto and the threads insta die
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>>289168889
He was pretty good at smacking around the no-name ninja, and he has Hoozuki water pistol that he almost killed Oonoki with. This was actually the first time that this jutsu was demonstrated; it wasn't clear how Suigetsu was threatening Sasuke in this panel (outside of threatening his sexuality).
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>>289168889
If you are that good at ninjutsu and genjutsu, you don't really need taijutsu.
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>>289168954
How would SASUKE have avoided a point blank water bullet
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>>289169000
He had Orochimaru's powers there so he could pop out of his own mouth or something.
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>>289169000
Chidori Nagashi most likely, Suigetsu can't handle electrical currents
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>>289159440
I'm not sure it nails the landing but top right is at least 70% of the way to a fantastic reaction image
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Seems to be the only way to fix this series, although naruto is more of the girl
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>>289169153
If Naruto was a girl, she would get tons of hate for being madly in love with Sasuke despite him giving almost nothing back. So, no real difference.
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>>289164853
I guess. But that's damning with faint praise. It still wouldn't have been cool, just a bit more appropriate.
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>>289165376
Does this mean Gaara is a nigga
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>>289159718
...what
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>>289169406
Well, Sasuke did call him a spook.
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>>289169406
Gaara is spiritually black.
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>>289168889
And the Shinobi forces needed two kages and the Third's gold to beat him.
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>>289164691
Ino, Tsunade, Blonde Hinata from the movies, Samui, Temari.
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>>289159607
O MY MOTHER SAND
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>>289162931
Kishi really wanted to strip out as much of the creative process as he could by this point. Stuff like Kidomaru using web traps to detect people or Dosu's super hearing was neat. Random people just closing their eyes and shouting "over there!" sucks.
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>>289159718
Something about the 2nd mizukage makes me enjoy this fight. I guess I think his power is interesting and I like his goofy personality.


Anyway ENTER is almost here
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>>289168889
That’s a totally fine strat considering the uchihas body everyone in the story with their genjustu. Why do anything if you can just stand back and solo everyone
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>>289170272
You're saying this but this is one of the most creative and wacky fights we got since very long ago. You've talked about Kidomaru but his fight was just him standing from long distance shooting arrows, Neji doing nothing, an asspulled weakness to Byakugan (that doesn't even make sense, much less than water oil steam shit, you wouldn't try to aim for that 1° gap) and really a climax that was just Neji grabbing a string. Or how about Shikamaru vs Tayuya, where the only somewhat interesting part was the fake "I was into your genjutsu" moment.

That said I agree this ability is too powerful.
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>>289170766
Wow it's a clone that explodes, that's so wacky
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>>289170993
Yeah you can make anything sound basic by playing dumb.
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>>289159556
Gaara isn't getting roasted enough for jobbing to oil
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>>289169406
like the others said, yes. kek. sasuke calling him a spook is really fitting now... heh
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>>289171294
>uchihas were the real racists
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>>289170369
Genjutsu is stupid broken it's crazy more people don't use it
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>>289165244
Naruto is a turn-based manga
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>>289169000
Just dodge. Speedlet if you can't.
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>>289171800
Minorities are usually extremely racists themselves.
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>>289171058
He still beat his counter, unlike KEKnan
And DeSHITdara.
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>>289160593
The truth is Ohnoki is senile and he's making shit up. Nobody questions it because they have no idea what's going on either.
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>>289169000
>muh sharaingan genjutsu
Writes himself out almost anything
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>>289168799
I can't wait to see the amount of replies THAT man gets when he ENTERS and compare it to the last storytime
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>>289159435
NS is cute
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>>289159651
I would disappoint too if these bunch of new shinobis can't even defeat me after I cooperated so much
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>>289169475
He realized Gaara thought of the strategy after he mentioned "gold" child
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>>289171048
So you DID notice that you did just that
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>>289173004
Not really though, I've been mostly fair to all the fights I described. Like, there's no mixup to Neji vs Kido outside of the introduction (which is actually good but then it's like 3 chapters of Neji standing still and doing kaiten).
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>>289172927
>Gengetsu dropped hints purposely
>wanted Gaara to use the gold all along
KISHIIIIIIIIIIIII
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>>289170272
>Kidomaru using web traps to detect people or Dosu's super hearin
That was pretty cool in retrospect. Part 2 really did drop the ball huh
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>>289170766
Nta but Kidomaru figuring out how the Byakugan works by himself is infinitely more interesting and better than Onoki explaining how Gengetsu's jutsu works.
>>289173004
>Not really though,
That's literally what you did with the Neji vs Kidomaru fight retard
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>>289173854
>infinitely
Huge overstatement. I can see why one would think this is the highlight of the fight as it gives this "analytical" aspect to it but the analysis part is all over the place and very stupid.
>one of my 15 bullets hit him, that means he can't see from that one 1° angle!!

Like, forget about how "realistic" those abilities are, it's just faulty reasoning.
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>another fight against a brand new scrumblo in an empty field over nothing
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Sasuke impregnated me.
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>>289173854
>That's literally what you did with the Neji vs Kidomaru fight retard
Meant for >>289173187
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>>289173880
>>one of my 15 bullets hit him, that means he can't see from that one 1° angle!!
Yeah you can make anything sound basic by playing dumb
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>>289168889
I'm sure he has some. But he was up against fucking gaara
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>>289169153
Make all Uchiha girls. Or at least once that possess the Sharingan. Girl Itachi would at least be hot
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>>289159648
SPEEED BLITZ!!!
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>>289175063
Gaara who couldn't touch him because of oil.
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>>289174074
Karin...
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>>289159703
he looks like a very angry kek
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>>289177955
lmao.
ugh... i hate his WA outfit, and the giant gourd looks so dumb.
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>>289173880
>one of my 15 bullets hit him, that means he can't see from that one 1° angle!!
It was a theory, he tested it, and it came out to be true.
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>>289159607
mommy
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>>289159718
That was cute.
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Why are you bumping this?
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>>289159607
>bags of sand
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>>289159607
Does everything Gaara does now have to be Mother shaped?
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>>289159607
Question. If his sand is permanently imbued with the protective chakra and soul of his deceased mother, why didn't it fight back and protect Gaara after Deidara knocked him out? His sand can move instinctively and aggressively without Gaara having to consciously command it
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>>289169000
Drain Suigetsu of all his liquid and chakra by absorbing it through his ass.
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>>289180946
>Question. If his sand is permanently imbued with the protective chakra and soul of his deceased mother, why didn't it fight back and protect Gaara after Deidara knocked him out? His sand can move instinctively and aggressively without Gaara having to consciously command it

you need to ignore that, and also the fight against Naruto when the sand shield stopped operating when the Shuukaku form came out and at the very end when Gaara had no sand around him at all.
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Tried to break off some from High Kage.
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>>289174494
HOW do you phrase it differently? That's LITERALLY the conclusion Kidomaru made
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>>289180946
Kishimoto became a dad and so all the middle school designs got replaced with adult. Gaara being mature is him showing devotion to his mom and her big tits instead of the beast who was a drunk uncle giving him power unlimited.

>>289181452
Gaara in the manga saw himself as the first soldier and likely cultivate an image of edge lord. He stopped calling Naruto is a bigger schizo
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>>289181619
How is Gengetsu above Bee? He seems below him in pretty much anything.
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>>289181729
Kidomaru thought Neji was a loser and didn't expect him to actually be a schizo with the Byakugun who will go for a mutual kill when taken off his food pills
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>>289181946
Well the placements are not perfect. Let me ask you this. Do you think Bee wins against more opponents in High Kage tier?
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>>289182202
>Do you think Bee wins against more opponents in High Kage tier?
Probably? Gengetsu's entire wincon is his opponent being unable to find him. Aside from that he's not that fast and doesn't have that much firepower and it's not very well definited how to break his genjutsu or what makes it hard.
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>>289181619
Mostly accurate but war arc Sageruto beat 3rd Raikage as a clone (with intel) I'd argue that puts him at least around Kisame
Bee should be in the higher tier because of Hachibi, he's actually stronger than Kisame
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>>289181619
>itachi in the same tier as the guy he effortlessly oneshot
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>>289182289
>Mostly accurate but war arc Sageruto beat 3rd Raikage as a clone (with intel) I'd argue that puts him at least around Kisame
Kisame should still have his chakra suction powers. His Super Shark Bomb is good at trading with ninjutsu's. I think Full power Kisame and Bee is closer than their original fight but I would stll lean towards Bee. Bee's fight is coming up soon so we can compare him again.

Would look like pic related
>that sage Jiraiya
Is he going next to Itachi?
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>>289182475
Maybe Bee upscale can wait for the big Jinchuriki fight since this is where he pulls some big stuff
Maybe I'm downplaying Kisame but I don't think sage Jiraiya should be lower than him, he has the tools to deal with him
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>>289182532
Bee upscale is Jinchuriki upscale which is Yugito upscale which is Zombie duo upscale which is Shikamaru Wank BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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>>289182475
>>289182532
Actually isn't sage Jiraiya a bit high? He had to cheese 3 pans with frog song and then kinda jobbed. He has a lot of tools, but idk if he has something concretely going for him to put him above all the other high kage.
>>289182725
Let's say the Zombies cheesed her and leave it at Yugito upscale.
>Bee upscale is Jinchuriki upscale
Only for jinchuriki who can fully transform, right?
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>>289182799
I could see Kisame and Sage Jiraiya coming down a little to be around Oonoki/Mu but still above SICKtachi who wasn't very impressive

>He had to cheese 3 pans with frog song and then kinda jobbed
He didn't get hit for the entire fight and still managed to take one Pain while missing one arm and 6v1, that's pretty solid.
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>>289182861
>He didn't get hit for the entire fight
Was there much opportunity to get hit? I only remember him oneshotting them with frog song. (why couldn't he do that against 6 pains anyways, lol)
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>>289183219
Already I don't know why this is happening. How does Naruto not see this while looking right at him, why is it necessary to bring this non-character back and why can't he rip off the tag when the steam imp in the last chapter was able to easily do it?
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>>289183404
What would have happened if Naruto didn't stepped in?
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>>289183458
>Byakugan can't even tell apart who is a plant zombie and who isn't
What the fuck do Hyuga even do?
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B&W
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>>289183404
Naruto the savior!
This whole Zetsu thing just feels so shoehorned in.
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>>289183480
what a tease
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>>289183480
>You're safe now

Not with the bottom panel happening you're not!
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>>289183480
This seems like a bad message? Poor way for the story to go. Naruto gets a power up, saves everyone and becomes a savior? What's the theme here?
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>>289183313
>He looks just like Nawaki
He clearly doesn't
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>>289183295
Why don't they just use their signature techniques? Surely Zetsus can't mimic those
right?
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>>289183206
>>289183219
>Kishimoto running laps to make sure Rasa gets further mogged by his follow kages.
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>>289183225
TARDruto...
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>>289183313
Nawaki was in flames alright.
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>>289183458
Why did Kishimoto make Neji look as clueless and helpless as humanly possible?
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Done!
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>>289183358
>Take down the transformed white ones!
Asian chud coded
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>>289183404
Couldn't they handle those zetsus themselves?
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>>289183480
>>289183492
>>289183740
>>289183754
Arigatou, OP!
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>>289183325
>why can't he rip off the tag when the steam imp in the last chapter was able to easily do it?

That was before the tags finished activating. Also he's in a weak state.
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>>289183241
>You make a good pair...
Gaara used this as the opening scene in his next NaruGaara slashfic on A03.
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>>289183261
>>289183275
What?! The Naruto who beat 2 Kages was just a clone?!?!?
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>>289184021
A clone he was not supposed to be able to create.
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>>289183986
>Gaara used this as the opening scene in his next NaruGaara slashfic on A03.
>It's been a while since I had this much fun!!
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>>289181619
>HOW do you phrase it differently?
>>289179298
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>>289183466
>>289183480
>>289183724
>>289183740
Here's a reminder, Hinata sacrificed herself for Naruto in chapter 437, this is chapter 557 and Naruto will thank her for it in the next chapter.
It took Naruto exactly 121 chapters to acknowledge her kindness to her face, which is 847 days in real time.
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>>289184021
Honestly 5 kcm clones should basically make kcm Naruto the strongest character in the series (as of this chapter) no?
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>>289183458
>Naruto: PUNCH HINATA AS HARD AS YOU CAN!
>Big guy: Got it! I took out the White Zetsu!
>Naruto: ...Zetsu?
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>>289183241
Gaara internally seething here because he's been replaced by 1. Bee as Naruto's jinchuriki friend and 2. Sasuke as Naruto's "HE'S LITERALLY ME!!" crush.
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>>289184127
>Sasuke's fantasies
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>>289183313
>Nawaki?
Kek that's so fucking forced
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>>289183241
>One measly tag for Mu
>At least 9 for GODgetsu
Powerscaling
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>>289183404
Dumb fucking woman almost got herself killed and needed Naruto to save her again
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>>289183611
Naruto please...just go out with Ino...no other female reacts to you like her...JUST FUCKING GO FOR IT
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>>289184223
>Kishi: hmm I want to draw Naruto saving Hinata but I don't want to make the pairing too obvious...
>Kishi: got it! I'll also draw him saving Sakura at the same time!
>Kishi: both of them are helpless anyway
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>>289183458
>getting mogged by Kiba
This the biggest prodigy in Hyuuga history?
FFS, Kishi should have given him the Hiruzen treatment and revived some uber Hyuuga chad from the past if Neji was going to be this much of a disappointment.
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>>289184125
logically yes but we later learn that one of his clones failed to beat Kimimaro and Chiyo
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>>289184316
And people wonder why I prefer to kill some characters than to keep them alive
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>>289184268
Kenchi...
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>>289183170
nice asspull, kishi
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>>289183275
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>>289183206
more random bullshit
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>>289184268
Reminder that he pee'd all over her in a filler episode and she's still cool with him. Find yourself a gf like her.
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>>289183313
>nawaki
bad writing
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Would you say Naruto has actually developed as a character whatsoever throughout the series? Like, the way he acts in this arc, where he's constantly jumping right in the middle of fights and saving everyone without giving a single shit about what his allies tell him, it doesn't feel any different from how he was acting in the Land of Waves arc, when he thoughtlessly jumped in middle of the fight against Haku and Zabuza, and Kakashi reprimanded him for how retarded he was. The only difference here is that he now has op abilities that make up for how reckless he is, but it doesn't feel like he actually matured even a little bit.
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>>289184802
That's a very emotional callback to a beloved character.
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>>289184806
Kishi can't into character growth, period. The best he's able to do is write sob stories that cause characters to either run away from their responsibilities (Tsunade) or become evil (many of the villains) before Nardo somehow gets through to them and redeems them.
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>>289183333
>So people still wanna become Hokage in this period too... Wow what a guy.
Basically what he thought and it's so freaking retarded.
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>>289183480
oh shit he's gonna summon... the sage of the six paths
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>>289183480
W-who could he be summoning?????!???!!!
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>>289184806
Naruto stopped growing in a good way after the chunin exams.
Every other development he gets going forwards either makes him an obsessive EX for Sasuke or someone with saviour + protagonist complex.
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>>289183754
thanks, OP!
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>>289183333
The way Shikamaru introduces Naruto here is so unnatural.
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>>289183458
How can the byakugan not tell the zestus apart? Genuine question.
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>>289184998
Kabuto found Minato in the soul realm. He's gonna summon the strongest Shinobi in History. Naruto's father Minato.
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>>289185009
shisui
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>>289185087
The excuse is probably because they can copy chakra signatures, so to them their chakra looks the same as the real people they're copying, so it's the same problem chakra sensing types have. The real answer, of course, is because Kishi wanted there to be a problem only Naruto could solve.
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>>289184994
We got spoiled by the old kages doing cool stuff the past week of chapters, but then it goes to shit as soon as the old kages are out of the picture, but then it becomes kino again on the last panel of the chapter with an old kage doing something
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>>289182927
>Was there much opportunity to get hit
I mean he had 2 chapters of ninjutsu+taijutsu against the three of them and he came out just fine despite being surprised by their abilities (eyes and ninjutsu absorption). People say he needed frog song but all he needed was a clone and a doton to get them.
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>>289183225
>>289183241
Mizukage best character
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>>289183480
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>>289184806
Well he's la bit ess retarded than he used to be, generally a bit less childish and goofy I guess. Yeah, not really much change though when I think about it. I guess that's true for many shonen protags right
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>>289184021
Sage mode won
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>>289159824
After this it's only going to be different sizes of rasengans, sharingan wank and just straight up dragon ball shit by the end
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>>289183448
>>289183466
Why is Hinata so FUCKING weak?
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>>289185749
She's a girl.
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>>289185450
At least it's just base Jiraiya, he wont have sage mode.
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>>289185749
why would she be strong
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>>289185749
How many chunins could easily take on 3 zetsus at once?
Only Choji comes to mind.
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>>289183480
WHO could mummyman be summoning? WHOOOOOO?!
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>>289185997
>itachi in the same tier as the guy he effortlessly oneshotted
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>>289186135
The soloking tier was rejected. Give it up.
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>>289186135
Shut up Kishimoto. Go and make a good manga.
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>>289186135
>every single thread this retard posts this
The tier list anon spoke.
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>>289183206
>you completely missed my clone no jutsu technique, heh
seems this work on everyone in this universe
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>>289183466
>he smells different
What a weird thing to say about your comrade
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>>289185997
why is Sharksame so high
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>>289186656
Beat Bee and is kinda unbeatable for anyone but Guy I guess?
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>>289185649
Idk, compared to Naruto, Goku did actually mature a lot in Z while still keeping some of his more iconic traits.
It's also why people started hating Goku in Super because it feels like he regressed to how he was as a kid, but less endearing because he's an adult. Shippuden Naruto feels a lot like Super Goku.
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>>289162931
Then why are you here
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>>289180846
KEK
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>>289186656
Giant waterdome (seriously that thing is huge barely any shinobi can fight underwater) fast and can suck a Jinchuriki dry of chakra. He can just overwhelm most opponents and its hard to kill him due to regen.
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>>289185386
i find it so strange that he created ninja who whole clan is based on seeing charka points but rather than make them more useful than sensory ninja he just makes them about the same? its like he wanted to make zestu have this strong advantage when the other side already has counters.
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>>289183461
no problem
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>>289183442
>>289183448
YEAH! FUCK YEAH! PULVERISE THAT HYUUGA BITCH! LAUNCH HER RIGHT INTO THAT WALL! SHATTER HER BONES! DO IT WHILE HER COUSIN WATCHES HELPLESSLY!
>>289183458
Uhh.. As I suspected..! A Zetsu clone!
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>>289184127
Lmao
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>>289187622
Sasuke...
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>>289185087
>>289185386
>>289187463
In all honesty, the Byakugan should be able to tell Zetsus apart from the inside rather the from just the chakra network.
You cannot possibly convince me that Zetsu can copy every single cell from someone's body down to the little details just from a single sip of their chakra.
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>>289183404
>Sakura was almost blitzed by a fucking white Zetsu
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>>289186755
>but less endearing because he's an adult.
Also not many brutally killings.
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>>289187866
Like, imagine if a zetsu was impersonating Shino? Any Hyuuga would know it's a fake because Zetsu would obviously not have an insect hive living within him.
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>>289183499
Spread propaganda. Their clan actually isn't that impressive.
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>>289187997
You just reminded me that Hiashi will scream "the hyuuga ate the strongest in the Leaf!" after most of the allience, including the Hyuuga's "biggest prodigy in history", got killed by exactly 2 Uchihas and their best asset in the war is an Uzumaki/Namikaze mutt.
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>>289183466
CUTEnata!
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>>289185009
>>289185953
>>289183480
the mystery nigga is Minato, obviously.
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>>289183295
>saying things that everybody in universe already knows so the reader can understand what's going on
I hate this trope so much.
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>>289188073
I bet either Tobirama/Danzo aided the Hyuuga's into nobility, just to keep the Uchiha's below them.
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>>289188073
>I LOVE MY MIXED RACE SON!!
-Hiashi
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>>289188073
Well maybe if the Uchihas didn't genocide themselves and the Senjus didn't keep marrying outside of their clan, they wouldn't have gone extinct. Master Hiashi is master eugenist..
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Tell me your cool ideas on how Byakugan could have had improved abilities in Shippuden.
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>>289188682
The Mangekyo Sharingan abilities are all vaguely inspired by Japanese Shinto shit, Izanagi, Susanoo, Amaterasu, etc. But the Byakugan is Taoism, it's all that yin-yang, 8-Trigrams shit, etc. An advanced Byakugan power would be based on the lore of that then. Now I know nothing about taoism so I have no real suggestion here, I think feng shui has something to do with it, maybe they can have some advanced sense of interior decorating. But that Tao stuff would be the general theme for new powers, instead of the weird alien moon nonsense.
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>>289188682
My take:
Keep Neji as a prodigy who uses the Byakugan and gentle fist for battling, but make him actually relevant.
Make Hinata develop a unique style of the gentle fist that centers around healing and pushing chakra point for temporary power boosts. In hindsight it's a bit redundant to have 3 of the 4 Konoha girls be healers, but it honestly just fits their characters (Sakura is Tsunade's student, Ino is more of a support character, and Hinata was established to be too soft hearted to be a fighter, so her becoming a healer instead would fit her well).
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>>289189134
I think a style that's not related to healing would perfectly fit Ino characterwise.
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>>289183404
>SHHYYYEEEEAH
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>>289188682
Make Byakugan the Yang to Sharingans Yin. Awakened Byakugan. Emerges from profound love, or the desire to protect someone.
Some interesting abilities it could have:

>Perceives intent itself, discerning truth from lies, malice from compassion, and the spirit behind a person's actions before they move.

>Rotation can expand over an entire battlefield or settlement, shielding countless people from physical and chakra-based attacks.

>Perfect Discrimination: The user's chakra control becomes absolute. Every Hyūga technique can distinguish friend from foe with flawless precision, allowing attacks to pass harmlessly through allies while striking only foes.

>Gentle fist no longer only destroys chakra points. It can now enhance them. Striking key points in someones body can tenporarily boosy their performance at the cost of later drawbacks.
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>>289189274
The silent shhyyeaah would have been better
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>>289183458
So if hitting them undoes the jutsu...
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>>289183480
HE is here. Thank fucking God. Finally. Save this shit arc Madara
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>>289185997
I fucking hate itachi and kishimoto so much
it's only going to get worse from here too during the fucking Kabuto fight
Holy fuck I I hate itachi so much. He used to be my favorite character as a wee lad. Crazy.
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>>289185997
>PAIN tier
>3 Pains, Itachi
>full power pain immediately lost to itachi
Lmao put the pains in a shame category under Pain, but keep itachi in pain to keep the embarrassment nagato deserves
People in here really pretend nagato is the final fucking boss when solo king one shot him ez
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>>289190025
Context matters. Kabuto is the one that lost to Itachi. He didn't know how to use Nagato to his fullest potential.
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>>289189936
Don't think about it yet. We have a new big player to scale soon. Probably making another new tier
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What were the theories about who Kabuto/Mu was going to summon? With hindsight, I can't imagine it being anyone else.
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>>289190177
Only other option would have been Minato but his backstory made that impossible
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>>289190177
A second Itachi
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>>289190177
What if he summoned the original Sage of the six paths. He was already established by this point I think.
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>>289190177
Kushina.
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The unironic answer was people were meming that Kabuto was going to summon a ninja tank for itachi on here and gamefaqs and 2ch

I think everyone expected Madara. Nobody was ever fooled by Obito.

Then they literally gave madara a ninja tank in shippuuden op 13 kek when he fights the kage

https://youtu.be/BylkQHFemTw
Forty seconds in
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>>289188682
The Byakugan doesn't need improvement, all it needs is for the story to allow it to be used properly.
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>>289183480
Is it ever explained how the mummy can summon Madera? Do all of the Edo have summoning contracts with Madara?
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>>289183480
Please save this shit manga for 50~ chapters Madara senpai
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>>289189936
Itachi is going to get mostly brutalized by Kabuto though
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>>289186703
Jiraiya takes him though
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>>289192433
What could Jiraiya do against the what bubble?
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>>289192475
Bee wasn't helpless in the bubble, a big issue was him being forced to save his friend. Jiraiya would likely use a giant summon to escape but he could probably fight back with most of his jutsu especially in sage mode. Bee got drained when he tried grabbing Kisame and swimming around with him, Jiraiya could use the hair to avoid being drained.
It'd be an interesting fight for sure.
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>>289192128
Sure thing, Kabuto. Once you realize what actually happened and stop COPING, you'll get out of IZANAMI - Solo King
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>Chapter focuses on Naruto
>Immediately goes to shit
Telling.
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>itachi puts genjutsu on Sasuke to use Amaterasu if he sees Madara
>it wasn't madara
1 - fraudtachi
2 - why did Amaterasu think obito was madara
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>>289192636
I think the real question is, how come Itachi, who predicted nearly every single event in Sasuke's life, didn't realize Tobi wasn't Madara?
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>>289192096
Madara is shit too, though.
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Did Itachi predict Sasuke would be too mentally broken to kiss his own wife?
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>>289183358
Naruto really said death to wiggers
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>>289184100
No shot it's been that long since Pain. Nothing has happened
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>>289183219
>It's going to take some jikan time for him to be dekiru able to kuchiyose summon that ano otoko man.
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>>289193592
This is exactly how I feel. Pain was literally the last thing that's happened. Wtf?
>100, 1/6 the current series chapters for???
>danzo
>shitty war fights?
???
What? How tf?
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>>289183241
gay
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>>289183295
Shikamaru not only figured out how to counter circles, but also how to weaponize them himself.
His IQ is 2000 (added an extra circle)
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>>289183627
it's a fucking shonen what do you expect
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>>289183627
everyone was in the wrong for ostracizing him for having a demon fox inside him because he's ninja jesus.
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>>289183313
I'm dumb, but didn't Tsunade meet Dan after Nawaki had already died?
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>>289195090
Tsunade must have shown him his photograph a lot
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>>289193215
Yes. Itachi was a self hating Uchiha and wanted the bloodline to end with Sasuke. Unfortunately Sasuke met Karin who extracted his baby maker.
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>>289190483
>Minato but his backstory made that impossible
Explain this for a speed reader. Are you referring to the reaper death seal?
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>>289183404
>>289183448
>women
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>>289183448
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>>289190177
The real Madara was the leading theory by far but some thought it was Rikudou-sennin or even Hashirama.
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>>289191961
>Is it ever explained how the mummy can summon Madera? Do all of the Edo have summoning contracts with Madara?

The Edos can summon each other. Zabuza summoned the other Seven Swordsmen.
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>>289183480
>It's coming
I'M NOT PREPARE
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>>289190177
Besides the big M himself people were theorizing that it could have been the SotSP or Izuna
>>289195781
NTA but yeah. Orochimaru had to do some super special thing with a Uzumaki Clan mask to grab the 4 kages' souls from the Shinigami before he could revive them with Edo
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>>289190532
>A second Itachi has hit the Uchiha District
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>>289190177
I think I'm the only reader here who's effectively just reading this the war arc for the first time and bridging the gaps as I go
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>>289190101
cope
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>>289183627
Naruto was a military asset this whole time, and holding him back was a dumb idea.
Tsunade was right. Just like during the Pain Arc.
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>>289183627
the theme is that you should exterminate your enemies without mercy, they are not even real people, might makes right and you should exercise your power every chance you can get away with it
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>>289159435
This should have happened.
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The hero getting his girl.
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>>289197313
>>289197335
>Sees Naruto return to the village after literally convincing Nagato to revive everyone
>First thing she does is punch him over the head
Nah, pinkshit deserves to suffer
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>>289197393
Were talking perfect world.
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>>289197421
In reality it would happen, hormones are a real thing and naruto is blonde kid with blue eyes
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>>289183480
Time for utter fucking kino before Obito and Bunny Gods return us to hell
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>>289197561
>the key to breaking out of Edo Tensei permanently is knowing the hand signs to cancel it
>Itachi learned the hand signs to cancel it
>Itachi's genjutsu remained active on Kabuto even after he disappeared

Kishi left a back door for Itachi to return.
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>>289183754
Ty for dump
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>>289197561
Literally what the fuck was Kishi thinking when he wrote this shit.
>revive most powerful ninja of all time
>have him mog the entire cast
>predictably kabuto is btfo and the edo tensei is undone by solo king
>the war is over
>oh wait kek lemao
>proceed to make the strongest ninja to ever exist who just btfo the entire cast suddenly outright immortal, with infinite chakra, who cannot be stopped in any way shape or form due to being an immortal zombie still alive after breaking the seal, OUTRIGHT NO WAY TO FUCKING BEAT HIM
>proceed to power him up exponentially THREE MORE FUCKING TIMES
>Kishi then admits he has no idea what he's doing or how to actually stop his own villain
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>>289197670
Gai puts the strongest madarain the ground btw
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>>289192528
I feel like Bee is one of the better ones at dealing with the bubble though, due to octopus shit.
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>>289192636
He programmed it to Tobi's sharingan (meaning he could've accidently killed Kakashi).
This whole programming thing is retarded though and Itachi is the only one who ever does it.
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The only thing this show has going for it is that it has ninjas with magic spells, that's all there is to it. All the characters are shit, their interactions are shit, the story is shit and whatever message it tries to deliver is shit as well. But the biggest shit are the braindead niggerfaggots that consume this slop with gusto.
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>>289198217
Are they still ninjas tho? Any ninja now gets countered by sensory types. Madara is just a soecerer. Not a ninja.
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>>289183206
shouldn't Naruto's new fancy sensory abilities have notified him about that cloning process?
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>>289183295
social distancing took a toll on all of us
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>>289183333
I missed out on a couple of dailys, when did Shikamaru learn that the fox was sealed inside naruto?
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>>289198908
Not only that. Sage mode shold have located him as well.
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>>289198149
In some ways he is, but he was busy saving a hostage. He could probably have broke out of it otherwise.
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>>289197335
lmao
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>>289183295
>Stealing the sound 4's jutsu
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will it actually happen or will it get delayed again? why tf does it take years to make 4 episodes anyway?
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>>289183480
handsome
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>>289198942
The war was to protect Naruto and the Ninetails fox but Naruto just had to come

i
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wait whaaaa...t... did kouda left??
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lightbulb naruto is so ugly.
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>>289203534
haha dumb dumb americans woke up, wanted to discuss naruto.. i spammed it to bimp limit heheh
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>>289203556
This artists drew Sasuke grooming Boruto.
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>>289203974
did you liked it?
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>>289204055
No.
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>>289183241
they should have had a team battle
but they didnt



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