>>289225299
It's all that caliber of backstory. The show barely spends a single scene on these side characters and I'm supposed to feel upset when a PNG file gets deleted from the show's project folder? This show genuinely pisses me the fuck off with how boring and how much of a nothing show it is. It's like its fans know that it plays with complex themes like war, and genocide, but not a single one of them realizes you actually have to do something with them, you have to SAY something, ANYTHING. It gives off the illusion of being heady and smart when it genuinely would have been more interesting watching a kid do a pretend war playing with his legos. That's basically what this show is. Like how fans of Sword Art Online attach to how the show insists that it's cool and edgy, fans of this attach to the fact this show insists it's brutal and depressing. It's basically emotion theater, vapor, nothing more. This show has no depth to it. There is NOTHING to this show. The fact that it has a following at all is CRAZY


I'm looking for a genuine answer here, every one I've got so far has me scratching my head asking myself if we even watched the same show

>>289225299
I like "X niggas in a row" fighting a losing battle shows

>>289225317
Name 5 shows like that.

The Misaki Kuno gremlin.

>>289225346
Akane ga Kill
Yuusha-Kei
Yuuki Yuuna S1
SukaSuka
Gundam Iron Blooded Orphans

>>289225299
>Can someone explain to me why so many retards love this show?
Why should I care enough to go to the effort of doing you this favor?

It's garbage.

>>289225299
I assume guy in the middle is the MC?
Generic as fuck looking as usual, pass.

>>289225317
yeah but the show does nothing special with it. these X niggas might as well have died off screen. it doesn't mean anything because none of them are the slightest bit compelling. honestly it would be fine if you were just watching a ton of grunts die, that sells the horror of war, plenty of shows have done that, but the show insists that ever death is this super sad tragic thing when it's almost impossible to give a fuck. i'd like the show way more if it was about war strategies but their only two strategies are attack head on or survive an onslaught.

and what the fuck are these spider mecs anyway? where did they come from and why are we fighting them besides that they attack us?
i just can't bring myself to give a fuck
>>289225372
genuinely all superior examples because these shows either don't pretend you're supposed to care about soldier 28983 dying or they're a named character with a good backstory that didn't feel like they were just there to emotionally manipulate the viewer with their death

>>289225464
>Why should I care enough to go to the effort of doing you this favor?
same reason you feel the need to prove to yourself and the rest of the thread that your time is just too valuable to waste... yet you're here, insisting your time is too valuable... instead of doing literally anything else... like even just ignoring the thread
>>289225467
nope, girl in back

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>>289225485
>that didn't feel like they were just there to emotionally manipulate the viewer
I don't know what to tell you anon, this is true but also not that big of a deal. I think you're just a pussy

It's the kind of shit that confirms my theory that the vibe of a serious story (through visuals, design, lack of fanservice, melodramatic development and music) is way more important for normalfag retards than the actual writing quality or substance of the story and easily get tricked by how a story is presented. It happens so often.
Like it "looks" like serious and harsh stuff is happening, the colors aren't too bright and character are dying so this HAS to be a serious and good story, right? Fuck no. In this case I hated how incredibly stupid the premise of the story was and the typical libtard messaging.

Next time keep your theory inside your head Billy

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>>289225624
a bigger pussy than "OMG THIS CHARACTER I JUST MET DIED"? C'mon man, you act like it's gay to want a show to be good. Are you one of those "just shut up and eat the slop" types? lmao
I'm a pussy because I want good characters and writing? I bet you like Xenoblade Chronicles 2 lmao

it's kino 9.9/10

>>289225707
Just read a book lil bro
You're having a meltdown over the media your voluntarily decided to consume, you're a slave at that point

>>289225299
>The main girl isn't even cute
Decent bait if you hadn’t slipped this in there. Now we know you’re unserious.

>>289225773
he's not the one whining that someone has a negative opinion of a piece of fiction lmao just give up retard

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>>289225299
>The main girl isn't even cute
shit taste

>>289225830
I accept your concession.

Honestly I wouldn't put it in my top ten but season 1 was kino. Even though the racism bit was pretty retarded and illogical. I genuinly liked the dynamic between Lena and the 86. The 86 dynamic with eachother was also pretty kino. Didn't really care that much for the battles, can agree that the enemy looked like shit. Due to the deaths of liked side characters I felt really invested as it seemed that anyone could die at any minute. I genuinely did not expect any of the children that surived, to survive. The ending was tragic and therefore enjoyable. Lena visiting their HQ later on was cinema.

Season 2 was the complete opposite, as one says, when you introduce a loli it becomes shit. Ending battle was a complete let down with all these fakeouts and nobody dying. Way too much talking, way less depressing kino. Also retarded anime villian was the nail in the coffin. Hope there wont be a season 3. Also think Reaper should have been heavily reprimanded for killing that soldier. It was okay when he was with the empire but I'm sure the actual good guys had medics.

Wished season 2 would have been Lena trying to find the remaining kids with her new battalion, instead of the retarded stuff we got.

>>289225854
proving you have absolutely no reading comprehension in not the flex you think it is dude
makes sense you like 86, you think every argument can be won simply by repeating "i won" until the other dude is tired of engaging with you

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>>289225841
she's okay at best. I've seen a thoughand silver hair anime girls that look just like her or better


...*ahem*

>You fell and sprained your leg. Reaper is aiming his gun at you.
What do you do to stay alive?

Have you seen the state of most other anime? I won't say it's the best thing ever made but it's was at least well above average

>>289226600
Who the fuck is reaper
im not being facetious i geuinely do not remember a single character from this show except for maybe the main girl and the generic foid she babbles with

>>289226618
no.

man op spent an entire paragraph going "IT'S BAD BECAUSE IT'S BAD AND BORING AND I DON'T LIKE IT" good job bro

>>289225299
your fault for not dropping this after a couple episodes like I did.

Sex with Lena

>>289225299
>>289225302
I don't get the purpose of this thread. If you bounced off of the show, fine. No amount of us telling you you're wrong and why the show is actually good is going to retroactively make you like the show. It sounds like you never engaged with the show from the start, so no surprise that none of the rest of the story landed for you.

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>>289225299
Lena truly made the show. When they moved it to the 86's side, it started to get boring.
Did the light novel end already?

Post more of Lena's fat thighs

>>289225646
wisdom in this post

>>289225299
>Can someone explain to me
shit taste, pure and simple.
You are now wondering
>But why the fanatic obsession?
Go read the threads in the archive, starting from one month before release, it's literally left leaning culture warriors that were all about muh nazis, this show was made for them and they shilled it with glee.
If you are not a mongoloid, you will immediately realize that it's just poorly made misery porn.
This came and went like a fart in the wind but it's pretty much the start of the end of /a/

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The thing is nobody actually knows what the fuck "good direction" actually entails
Retards think a few well composited shots means good direction.

>>289225646
>the typical libtard messaging
lmao really funny how you call others retards when then didn't get the show.
The story is literally about how having pure race bloodlines literally give them super powers.
Every single volume introduces a new race with new magic powers that only work because they have a pure bloodline. The only retards are the french (albas)

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>>289225299
>cgi cgi cgi
I never even payed attention to the fights, Season 1 was just okay because of the endearing Skype romance and class divide plot, that was all.

I initially tried it because I was intrigued by the idea of a romance story where they actually never meet and don't even know what the other looks like and wondered how that could ever work and the title actually used it very well.

Season 2 was boring because it removed the class divide and romance plot, that's all.

Also:
>The main girl isn't even cute.
>main girl
Virginity

It's one of the best, if not the best mecha anime weve had in the last 10-15 years. Sad you got filtered, OP. Maybe one day you'll be smart enough to enjoy it.

>>289230058
This, also a really good war romance.

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>>289225299
You just hated because whitoids are the evil ones here.

OP is extremely gay so I ignored him, I just want to say I still like later volumes and want them to be in anime too, especially since it have some cool moments what deserve to be animated

>>289232618
>I still like later volumes
i just started volume 12 and i have no idea of who these people are and i don't feel like reading all the previous volumes to remember.
One of the biggest flaws later volumes have is that they keep introducing literal whos that are ultimately irrelevant instead of focusing on the already existing cast.
I can't remember the last time lena and shin actually interacted with eachother outside of just giving/receiving orders

>>289226600
If he is planning to do it, you are already dead anyway

>>289225299
>Can someone explain to me why so many retards love this show
fantasy racism

>>289225299
It's a "I can fix him" show but with some robots in the way also racism to make her feel more heroic.

>>289228554
Whoever wrote this seems like a horrid fucking person who will die alone at 63 but he's not too wrong

>>289225299
Thank you, at least the show serves as a litmus test to detect people with terrible taste, whose opinions can be safely ignored.

well, its a ln so dont expect too much

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>>289225299
>Can someone explain to me why so many retards love this show?
I loved it so much I had the soundtrack cover etched onto my dac. I could try to explain why but why should I? You wouldn't except any reasons I gave, you have already made up your mind about it and that's fine. I probably hate things you love for just as shallow reasons.
It's far from a perfect show, the plot has some real issues but as a whole taking into account the score and emotional feelings it gave me I can't help but love it. It hit me in all the right spots and aside from the weak first half of the second season it's a perfect show for my tastes.
Sorry it didn't click for you, maybe wait a decade or two and give it another shot, sometimes being in a different life period can change your perspective on a piece of media.

>>289233949
*accept

>>289233949
Also this is the second 86 thread I've found after discussion has already died down. Curse my luck, oh well it reminds me I need to listen to the soundtrack again on my new speakers.

>>289233172
more of the former and much less of the latter

>>289234172
I didn't know I was having a discussion instead of responding to the usual ranters, hope you enjoy the replay though.

>>289234172
there is no discussion here anon. Most 86 threads are just anons crying that they didn't like it without any kind of actual argument as for why.
I assume it's an attempt to get a thread going by pure hate like they do it in /v/ but it doesn't really work here, or at least not with not-so-popular shows like 86

>>289225299
Filtered

>>289233949
>>289234665
Hey anon. I wanna talk about 86. Other than the OST what did you like about it?

>>289234841
It's been a while since the last time I watched it so the details are fuzzy. But a few moments that really stood out to me were ones like the scene where Vladilena fucks up her first mission not noticing the elevation of the map and directing one of the crew into a swamp. I thought it was a good way to show off her naivete without just forcing her to be retarded, it felt like a believable mistake someone would make in that situation.
I liked the scene where she runs through the city chasing after them when the last survivors leave on their death mission.
I liked the bleak ending and the motivation for he main soldier that he wasn't just fighting stupid mechs but the unfulfilled feelings of his brother. I like how the enemy incorporating the minds of soldiers changed their programming and made them do unpredictable things.

I agree with a lot of the criticism as well, from an objective observation it is a shallow story that doesn't say anything new and isn't nearly as willing to take risks as it wants you to think it is. But this is anime, that's just a given for the medium. I got over that a long time ago and am willing to forgive some shallowness in favor of authenticity. It just wants to be a cool action show with some feels and that worked for me.

>>289235017
Also the episode told from the perspective of the dogbot was a real gut punch.
Most of my good memories are from the first season I guess. The second season definitely doesn't hold us as well, I hated that everyone from the first season had plot armor. Sure it made for a feel good ending but someone should have died.
I also didn't like the world opening up to show us that life is pretty much moving on and our problems are really just a small thing happening in a small part of the world. It felt like it just reduced the stakes too much, like even if everyone we knew died it wouldn't really make a difference in the greater war.
I loved the new loli character though, mostly because of her voice. I can't remember what other roles she has voiced but she voices another character I really like so it made me like her a lot more. But her story is also just a repeat of the conflict of the first one so that brought it down a little bit as well.
If the first season was a 10/10 for me I would give the second season a 7/10. However that last moment where Vladilena finally meets the survivors in person had me in tears. It was building up for so long I couldn't help myself.
I really wish the show would get more seasons, I've heard that the LN is actually decent and the story gets better from there. I've never read a LN in my life but 86 has tempted me a few times to break that habit.

>>289235210
>However that last moment where Vladilena finally meets the survivors in person had me in tears. It was building up for so long I couldn't help myself.

They had to make that moment land and they might have oversold it a bit but they stuck the landing where they needed to. The music in that scene does a lot of heavy lifting.

>>289235210
I forgot, I hated that they started to introduce Vladilenas new crew and then they just disappear never to be heard from again. Might as well not have done it at all and spent that time elsewhere.
An alternate version of season two I had in my head was never showing us the fate of the first crew. Have the whole second season be from the perspective of Vladilena and her new crew. Would have made their eventual meeting even more impactful. But I guess it could have felt like a cheap twist if they are suddenly alive and we have no idea how they got there.

>>289235295
>The music in that scene does a lot of heavy lifting.
Yep, that applies to the whole show. The soundtrack is amazing, I can't imagine why anyone would dislike it. There are so many standout songs that have been stuck in my head for years.

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>>289225299
I liked the show better when it was called Code Geass: Akito the Exiled

>pros
There's some nice scene composition. The director has nice attention to non-verbal storytelling.
>cons
86 is the worst light novels (with an s) that I've read in the last decade.
86's writing labors from its premise. The premise is really a big thing, genocide, and it expects your emotional impact to come from your emotional response to genocide. To genocide just as a concept.
What the novels fall flat on their face on is trying to do something with the premise on its own two feet. And as fucking terrible as some of the hamfisted real world metaphors are and in universe false equivalencies the characters make to genocide are (imo, the latter is much much worse than any perceived real world point the author is trying to make), 86 largely becomes a boring plot driven thing.

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>>289225299
It's genuinely above average and entertaining. Also, the main reason is because Lena is extremely hot. She's an absolute goddess. Also, I guess I don't mind the music.

>The ugly ass fucking mechas are all CGI, the battles suck, the enemies are fucking ugly too. Literally every chance the show sees to use CGI for non characters, it takes.
You're 100% right about this, the 3DCG is cancer. I hope later releases of this anime hand draw or at least use 2DAI if that's too difficult. I wish this could've been fully 2D.

>>289235667
>>289235667
>it expects your emotional impact to come from your emotional response to genocide
no? i don't think they ever particularly enphazise it. The whole story is trying to get rid of the machines, not the fact that the machines kill people, and other than them fucking the albas, all the other countries have been fighting back relatively succesfully throuout the story so there isn't really a genoside going on
>hamfisted real world metaphors
you sure you read the correct LN?

I reject your concession.

>>289235878
That whole post felt like it was created by ai, gave off an uncanny vibe.

>>289225299
>Characters die unpredictably, and I think that that comes off as super tragic to people who can't rotate an apple in their head, but to anyone else, you kind of need a reason to give a shit about these characters before they die. Like, something more than "I have a sick sister back at home," or whatever bullshit this show pulls.
anon you're meant to be emphasising with the 86 as a whole, the idea of juxaposition shots like Token Black slipping over a cat cutting straight to him being killed is meant to be along the same lines as watching the soldiers on the beach in Saving Private Ryan getting torn to shreds by MG42 fire, you don't know their life stories but you know they're young men sent into a meat grinder.

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>>289237150
>emphasising
why am i larping as an ESLtard, empathising*

>>289225299
double ahoge

>>289234665
>without any kind of actual argument
I've already seen multiple ITT
post some counter-arguments so my ass can get off the fence already

>>289225299
I dropped it before I was even done with the first episode when it tried to clunkily juxtapose all the grim world with a MOE KAWAII UGUUU scene of some rich girls eating cake (or chocolate or something they ate that was supposed to be special).
If the goal was to try to show how detached an elite class can be from the reality of the world, then that scene did a terrible job of doing so. There are so many movies/shows out there that have done this sort of juxtaposition without the hamfisted tonal whiplash that the first episode shoved in our faces.

>>289237432
Thanks for sharing that friend, it was really insightful!

>>289237432
>MOE KAWAII UGUUU scene of some rich girls eating cake (or chocolate or something they ate that was supposed to be special).
Because situation is so shit that cake even for rich and privileged is special (and cake is done with fake ingredients)

>>289225299
Lena is for hard ryona. That bitch is a race traitor

>>289227357
it must be hard for you to justify a thread that isn't spamming the word cunny over and over again, i understand anon

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i like the romance. i think its sweet

>>289231859
what the actual fuck are you talking about dude
i think you need to go outside and smell some roses. come back later

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>>289238610
that can only be expected from a white woman

>>289238800
I was hoping we'd see her pull that out in the finale.

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>>289238800
Exactly. Race mixing with a colorata is no different from trying to breed with a dog: a true abomination!
I hate those colorata with their loud rap music, baggy pants and shitbulls!

Lena is for hugs and kisses

>>289238610
She did more to save Alba and San Mangolia than any other white hair

>>289239268
now the silver hairs are lining up at the soup stand in their ruined city, which they deserved

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>>289225299
>Can someone explain to me why so many retards love this show?
No.

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>>289239268
But at what cost? Race mixing with pigs? San Magnolia would have been better off extinct than whatever that DEI abomination became.

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>>289225299
Still one of the kinoest scenes in all fiction

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>>289238749
shinlena is the best

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>>289238749
>>289240107
Correct.

>>289239896
Also correct.

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>>289225302
>I'm looking for a genuine answer here
>every one I've got so far has me scratching my head
Sounds like you already got what you were looking for, you just couldn't understand or agree with it.

>>289239896
fuck alright I’ll rewatch. but I remember not liking season 2 because of the weird loli subplot

>>289240919
that's the best subplot

>>289240919
>watch show
>hate it
>"This one scene is kino"
>fuck alright I'll rewatch
You're a weird one.

Lena's white pubes

>>289225299
This series really needed to give the main heroine a boyfriend / fiancee from her own race.
Like, her entire society is this hamfisted racist metaphor, where they're all idiots dooming themselves. So she's one of the 'good ones'.
But I think it would have been way more interesting if they'd taken a more nuanced look at things - Showing that the government is not stupid and the Eighty-Six are not a poor, oppressed psychic minority. Then that way, you have tremendous tension on both sides of the divide.
It's the same issue as something like Sentenced to Be a Hero - The penal legion actually is more competent and better-armed than the 'standard' soldiers, who are just mooks. In fact, the Alba don't have an army. They're relying on the penal legion as their sole defense, really, and they're doomed if their poorly-armed conscripts fail.
So they're simultaneously oppressively powerful enough to force thousands to their deaths over racism...And too weak and stupid to save themselves. I think that if we saw the Republic's army - and they're piloting gleaming, sophisticated mechs - it changes the dynamic...Because now we know they don't need the penal legion, it's an excuse for ethnic cleansing, and it's no longer "But can we defend the people who hate us?" but rather "How do we survive when both sides are trying to kill us simultaneously?"

>>289240978
I loved the show, just thought the loli subplot felt kinda forced
>>289240959
Maybe it’ll grow on me

>>289240919
It's not the subplot it's the main plot. She's got a great voice just keep with it the ending is perfect.

>>289241012
>the Eighty-Six are not a poor, oppressed psychic minority.
the light novels go into this a bit more. for example, its implied that anju was raped by other 86 just for having similar hair to alba.

>>289225299
I found the last two episodes to be fantastic but the price of admission is intolerably high: 20-something episodes of the most mediocre shit imaginable

Also it baffles the mind that spider-tank battles with Sawano OST could be this fucking uninteresting, boring and forgettable

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>>289241010
>Lena's white pubes
Does she trim them according to regulation?

>>289241557
She shaves them off completely

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>>289241557

>>289228646
Does she wear a dress like that in the actual anime/manga?

>>289243333
just this >>289240107 illustration from the light novel

>>289225299
>Can someone explain to me why so many retards love this show?
You said it yourself. retards.

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Lena's cute underwear.

Just a reminder that the series is going to end with Shin taking control of the Legion with Zelene's assistance.

>>289243991
What about Fred...?

>>289244075
She end up on my dick

>>289244075
No Face has sabotaged the biometric controls, she serves no tactical or strategic purpose and is free to live a normal life but chooses to stick around as Shin's imoutoadvisor.

>>289244548
Well that's lame.

>>289243515
Lena is so cute in everything

I remember thinking this when it came out. `I suppose it was supposed to be a more subtle show but I find it sus that a woman writing about war isn't somehow supposed to be incoherent, which the show clearly is. They aren't autistic enough to study wars enough to compensate for no experience with war like some men are able to do so its just abstract babble

>>289225299
its just good, whats to get?

>>289225299
>Can someone explain to me why so many retards love this show?
Because Lena is BBC bait.

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>>289243333
There's this from the Skype romance at the party scene scene where Lena is all like
>I'm here at this party and I wish you could be here but while I'm at this party you're dying in battle
shit.
Not quite as much whore-dress level though, but the character does for whatever reason wear garter belts as part of a standard military uniform all the time because the writer likes it or something.

Honestly, I think Lena just has a haircut that's too weird to make the character have any sex appeal. I can't with that lock of hair that goes through the middle of the face, who does that.

>>289225299
Unironically killed by the romantic plot tumor taking over the show

>5 years later there's nothing like this show
>no new season in sight
Fuck man

>>289243991
The only question is whether he will die to accomplish it.

>>289225646
Case and point Lazarus. It was utter shit but buncha crunchy fags liked it enough to award it best original of the year.

That's said. I liked 86.wasn't incredible show but legged tanks were funky enough to keep my attention. It's middling in many places but original enough to keep me curious.

>>289251263
I feel like we're due another one, just gotta keep an eye out.

>>289225299
>There is absolutely nothing to latch onto here.
Objectively wrong.
The directing is great.
>The ugly ass fucking mechas are all CGI
The mechs aren't ugly, and them being CGI is standard.
>the battles suck
"no"
> the enemies are fucking ugly too
That's like, your opinion man.
>The character drama between main characters is terrible.
Not really, it's standard and overdone but it's not terrible.
>The main girl isn't even cute.
Alright, you're just trolling. (you)

first half was bretty gud but the second half really jumped the shark. The whole second civilization shit was such a copout resolution to the drama they were building and overall really muddied the theming quite a bit. Only redeeming quality was the loli.

>>289225646
google emotional realism. This is the way most zooms understand art now even if they don't know the term.

>>289225299
Pretty much just had the good fortune of season 1 being at the right place at the correct time for people not that much exposed to anime latching onto a slightly above average show like it was the second coming of christ

The show had potential not going to lie, and had more effort put into it (at least season 1) than most shows in general, but at the same time more seasoned anime watchers could already see the slop shining through from time to time

It feels like the show just takes bits and pieces of what made other shows really liked and great, and does it half-heartedly, and the only reason most people prefer this than the originals is because new=good old stuff people like 2 popular 4 me

It's kinda sloppa for the usual crowd who praise jujutsu / chainsaw / modern one piece

>>289251643
>The whole second civilization shit was such a copout resolution to the drama
It was foolish to think other countries are all destroyed. And Giad is not the only one still standing, the vast majority of the world still fights Legion just fine.

>>289228554
That was actually a great read.

This person is a shit writer, but thanks to their inability to stick to the point, I got some insight into how bad their taste is which softened the blow when they finally delivered their retarded take.

The real question is: Why does a person like this watch anime? They demonstrate such contempt for the medium. Not just disappointment, because that would mean I could feel some passion that's not being nurtured, but this person exudes enmity.

I'm acutally going to save this becuase it's a very useful reference for explaining to someone what a normalfag is like.

>>289251675
It's fine worldbuilding, but a bad development for the characters.

>>289251842
Explain your reasoning.

>>289251675
>It was foolish to think other countries are all destroyed
Nta, but during the first arc the encroaching Legion is very much framed as a sort of metal Zombie apocalypse and the story quite clearly implies that we're witnessing humanity's last stand against the inhuman hordes of death and destruction. Somewhat reminiscent of Romero's Land of the Dead where the rich elite still enjoys a good life within the confines of Fiddler's Green, oblivious to the fact that their sanctuary is not sustainable in the long term and is destined to go down in flames. Admittedly the protagonists of LotD eventually try to make their way to Canada in the expectation that they'll find another/better holdout of civilization there, but of course that's never shown in the movie itself, leaving it to the imagination of the viewer whether their promised land really exists and/or whether they manage to reach it. The climax of LotD is naturally the breach and destruction of Fiddler's Green. That's how it ought to have been in the case of 86 too. That's what the original arc was working towards and I bet the author would've stuck to it, if her work didn't become successful enough to get serialized. Which then leads to expanding the scope of the story way beyond what was intended in the beginning and regardless whether it fits the original concept .

>>289225299
Beats me, I never liked it either. Personally, I expected a more or less serious military anime, but I got a drama made for teenagers. I know that's on me, but even then, the show's characters are too one-dimensional. Asking me to give a shit about them is asking too much.

>>289252532
Personally I didn't like it aside from the loli because it changed their personalities too quickly. They thrived in desperation and suddenly they are living in the lap of luxury comparatively. They are somehow still the only competent fighters in a new country and have to save the day again.
I would have liked it better if it went something like the brother saving them but being left out in the wilderness still and lena eventually finds them and they help train her new batch of recruits and both team up to take on some new big bad robot. Then if you still want to have no main character deaths at least you could kill off some of the new team to give us some stakes.

>>289225299
>Can someone explain to me why so many retards love this show?

It managed to suck just slightly less than all the other anime that came out the same season. Both times.

>>289252875
>The climax of LotD is naturally the breach and destruction of Fiddler's Green. That's how it ought to have been in the case of 86 too.
This literally happens in S2. Then a much worse thing happens in the novels with legionized 86 hunting down surviving albas with flamethrower tanks.

>>289252532
The 86 have adapted to their shit circumstances by taking pride in what they do. They don't run away even knowing they are meat shields and will inevitably die horrible deaths because someone has to fight the war and they can take pride in their thankless duty to defend the human race while the whites cower behind the walls.

Then in the new place, they get a chance to see what life could've been like on the other side of the wall, if they hadn't been born 86. This is usually the point in a story where they might get to see the humanity they've been dying for, and have to work through either being resentful of what was taken from them or reaffirm the worth of their duty or whatever else, but what we see is that they are mostly apathetic. They have all internalized their identity of servants meant to fight and die for others that all they want is to return to the battlefield. They feel that by living they are derelict in their duty as 86.

Now, that development itself is pretty interesting but it regresses from there. When they join the military they are shunned by their peers for their skill and fervor, and ultimately sent on another suicide mission. And they are happy about this. They are comfortable being treated as disposable because that is the source of their pride. To me, this marks a return to the status quo. They are essentially on a perpetual final expedition or whatever they called it. Which is a convenient vehicle for world building because now they can go around to all the other places fighting bots but the character arcs are concluded.

Smash that like button and DON'T forget to hit the bell!

>>289253285
The destruction of San Magnolia happens almost entirely off screen and it's not the climax of the story either, since by that point the story has essentially moved on from the question of whether their rotten structure can hold out despite all the odds. The destruction of San Magnolia hardly matters anymore, given that there now is another faction present in the story which can bear humanity's torch without being morally tainted like the Alba are.

>>289252875
>That's how it ought to have been in the case of 86 too
Very hard agree.

>>289253616
You've got a but of a misunderstanding there right at the start. The 86 had two options in San Magnolia: die fighting or die running.
If they retreated, there were minefields and cannons meant for them, and if they pushed forward there was an ocean of metal death. Staying and fighting gave them the only chance they had to live at all, even if temporarily.
They didn't fight for any cause other than seeing another sunrise, and being given the chance for a comfortable life rankled them because their formative years were spent getting shot at and blown up, so now they don't understand how to function in any other circumstance. The whole pride thing is pure copium spewed by child soldiers who start to freak out if things are quiet.
Furthermore, the treatment they get in Giad is mostly born from pity, because these kids are completely broken and nothing can fix them, so what do you do other than let them fling themselves back into the meat grinder while you fail to truly empathize with them due to how alien they are?

Didn't the former FBI head get investigated for posting 86 47?

I didn't know he watched shitty anime.

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>check the novels
>mfw Noctiluca

>>289254029
>pure copium
It sure is. That's their character and they never work through it.
>broken and nothing can fix them
Yup. That's the author's decision. It's pretty interesting, but the death of character development. We shift to world building instead.

Lena cowgirl

>>289254889
I bet she's amazing in bed

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>>289255885

>>289255885
Eh, she's the supy shy deadfish sort of type. Maybe she'll become good if you fuck her for a few months.
Even the, she's built for doggystyle

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>>289257054
I mean she's a white girl, bet dogs and horses are her best friends

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They keep releasing new merch

>>289258361
Is the novel over?

>>289258603
no but its in its final arc. itll probably be another 2 or 3 volumes

>>289258654
How many years? 1?

Everyone who hates this show seems to be insanely bitter, a /pol/fag, or both. Why?

>>289259027
the author has just started working on another series now so itll probably be like 3-5

>>289260206
Damn, a shame because I really loved it. Btw is the new series any good?

>>289257520
I love Lena so much. She is definitely better than Anette

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Lena is built for rough sex in uniform

>>289261312
I love this woman so much

>>289261312
With the hat on.

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i read this and found it agreeable >>289225299 >>289225302
then i read this and i also found it agreeable >>289225317
no, i wont watch the show

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>>289261312
Nah that'd be Anette. Bitch got such a foul mouth, just IMAGINE acrobatic hatesex with Anette as she shouts racist slurs at the top of her lungs as you sodomize her.

>>289261312
yeah with me

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I can't think of anything more fucked-up than including a girl for the single purpose of losing

>>289239896
This. For all the flaws the show may have had, it was all made up for.

>>289262601
maybe she should have made a move

>>289262717
To be fair, nobody has "my fellow death squad soldier falls in love with the SS officer ordering us to our gruesome doom" on their cards

>>289237150
Yeah, but they’re cardboard cutouts that we’ve never met before being sent to die in hilariously stupid ways. It’s a war-farce. The supremacists can’t make good tactical decisions. The soldiers can’t make good tactical decisions except the protagonist who is JUST THAT GOOD. The equipment the soldiers are given dies to the smallest arm fire of the enemy. They can’t clear fucking puddles.

>>289262937
>Yeah, but they’re cardboard cutouts that we’ve never met before being sent to die
Exactly like the soldiers in Saving Private Ryan that anon is talking about.
>The supremacists can’t make good tactical decisions.
From their perspective their decisions are good.
>in hilariously stupid ways
>The soldiers can’t make good tactical decisions except the protagonist who is JUST THAT GOOD.
>They can’t clear fucking puddles.
That's not true.

>>289262969
No.

>>289262468
Thanks for sharing it was really helpful to hear your thoughts!

>>289263214
Anon we get to know far more soldiers in Saving Private Ryan and the tactics and world surrounding them don’t come off as a comedic farce.
>from their perspective their decisions are good
They’re literally committing suicide after committing genocide because they think that an outside world that they don’t fully believes exists might judge them for being genocidal. They are the single most stupid and impotent villain force I have seen. They only use their weapons to shoot their allies. Their city dies instantly after the last five teenagers defending it just leave.
>that’s not true
It absolutely is. A girl died to a fucking puddle because her aluminum spider mech can’t see or handle water. The protagonist’s big special strategy is literally just “move faster than the bullets”, because apparently the robots are incapable of adjusting their fire or leading targets.

>>289263392
>Anon we get to know far more soldiers in Saving Private Ryan
Not the initial guys on the beach, which are the ones we're talking about.
>and the tactics and world surrounding them don’t come off as a comedic farce.
Nor here.
>a fucking puddle
A swamp.
>Their city dies instantly after the last five teenagers defending it just leave.
>They’re literally committing suicide after committing genocide because they think that an outside world that they don’t fully believes exists might judge them for being genocidal.
That's not true.

>>289263532
Alright, I guess you must have watched the good 86 where it wasn’t the most incompetently written military drama I’ve ever had the displeasure of witnessing. Good for you I suppose, but I watched the one they released to the public. Your lack of actual counterarguments seems to lend credence to the OP calling people who like this slop stupid.

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>show exists
>has flaws
>anon critiques show
>most or all of critiques are completely wrong, total bullshit, don't address actual flaws at all
Why is this so common on /a/? Not just with 86, across the board.

>>289263614
Cool counterexamples, my guy. You definitely don’t come off as an openly delusional glazer.

>>289263614
mating press

>>289263587
>>289263626
You're making claims about the show that are just fucking wrong. What argument is there to be had?
>w-well you're stupid!
Concession accepted.

>>289263742
>they’re wrong!
How? Why? Enlighten me. Apparently I don’t remember the dogshit show correctly, so elucidate me on the fine workings of the setting. Please do it without posting the mediocre women as thought attractive anime characters in military uniforms counterbalances it being written by a man with 0 military or logistical experience.

the legion should've won ending with shin getting harvested for his brain

>>289263851
The legion should have won immediately because Shin side-dashing around an open field against massed machine gun fire where getting hit equals death should never have worked for a second, and once he dies they have literally 0 competent troops.

>>289225464
Why should anyone even post on this board?

>>289263793
>How? Why? Enlighten me.
I don’t get the vibe it will do much good, but fine.
>puddle
Swamp, bog, soft terrain. The type that looks stable until you step on it.
>city fell instantly when the only five teens defending left
There are way more 86 than just Spearhead. The city doesn’t fall instantly when they leave, that’s months latter. And it doesn’t fall because Spearhead leaves, it falls because the Morpho destroys their defenses and Legion launches a huge attack.
>Alba are committing suicide
As far as most of San Magnolia can tell, they’re winning and their tactics are working. They don’t know the Legion’s found a way around their operational time limit or that they’re holding back.
>dead 86
You’ll have to be more specific on which you mean.
>comedic farce
I disagree with your opinion and don’t think there’s anything to say beyond that.

>>289225299
why are autists like this? can't you just go "eh maybe not for me" and move on like a normal person?

lena impregnation
kurena impregnation
frederica impregnation

>>289264357
Because criticism is a thing you need to learn to put up with.
>>289264317
In season 2 it is revealed that the leadership has known for a while that they are doomed and is now just completely committed to killing every single brownhair they can so that no survivors can tell the outside world that may or may not exist that the whitehairs were mean to them. Literally providing 0 logistical or fire support to ensure they all die together. The absolute worst and most retarded fucking villains.

>>289264357
>why can’t autists just be normal?
Anon…

>>289264711
That’s a decision born out of hopelessness, not retardation.

>>289264825
No, that's a decision born out of retardation arrived at via of a long history of retardation.
>guys lets literally provide 0 fire support and simply hope the underaged 0 experience conscripts can perfectly defend us forever
If it wasn't for Dan the Spider Man and his perfect strategy of dodging every single bullet, they city would have been wiped out season 1. The city should have been killed years ago, because they are militarily and logistically incompetent. It's like if the Nazis were exclusively using underequipped Jews as shock troops, with literally no main battle force.

>>289259487
/pol/fags hate it because the plot doesn't make sense if you don't believe genocide is bad

That said people that write essays about why something is shit just come off as bitter in general, see basically any lefty video essay about why [x] is bad.

>>289265088
The plot doesn't make sense if you believe a military needs to function to function. The plot doesn't make sense if you don't intrinsically believe teenagers are the strongest soldiers in the world. The plot doesn't make sense if you think about it for five seconds.

>>289264895
>guys lets literally provide 0 fire support and simply hope the underaged 0 experience conscripts can perfectly defend us forever
And from their perspective it was working. It wasn’t supposed to be forever either.
>If it wasn't for Dan the Spider Man and his perfect strategy of dodging every single bullet, they city would have been wiped out season 1. The city should have been killed years ago, because they are militarily and logistically incompetent.
No. See >>289264317

>>289265146
>it wasn't supposed to be forever
It's been what, decades? I forget the timeframe. They have been subsisting on giving a bunch of garbage can soliders paper mechs and guns that can't kill their opponents for DECADES, and they haven't amassed ANY contingencies if, say, one of their conscript forces fails and the field of infinite robots breach the battle line. Not ONE contingency.

RETARDED.

>>289265208
>It's been what, decades? I forget the timeframe.
Of course not. Do you think Dan the Spider Man is decades old?
>They have been subsisting on giving a bunch of garbage can soliders paper mechs and guns that can't kill their opponents
And it’s been working. I’m not going to repeat this again.
>Not ONE contingency.
They’ve got a giant wall, mines, mortars, and more 86.

>>289265360
Dan the spider man is the latest in a long line of soldiery.
>and it's been working
It's been working because the author wrote it to work, just like how Dan the Spider Man can dodge massed machine gun fire in an open field. The author is incompetent, I don't need to respect his work because he said so.
>giant wall
Siege weapons, the things the spearhead is the only defense against
>mines
Worthless, couldn't even killed the teenagers
>mortars
Apparently worthless
>and more 86
What do you think a battle line is? Do you think if the enemy succeed in a breakthrough, you just teleport the troops fighting elsewhere to stop them? Do you think this is a video game? This kind of slapdash reasoning is the same garbage the author likely had in his vacuous head when he penned this abortion of a military drama.

>>289265435
>Dan the spider man is the latest in a long line of soldiery.
No he’s not, he was a kid when the 86 got rounded up.
> Siege weapons, the things the spearhead is the only defense against
There’s more 86 than Spearhead, and their mortars outrange pre-Morpho Legion artillery.
>Worthless, couldn't even killed the teenagers
What?
>Apparently worthless
They were extremely effective both times we saw them used.
>What do you think a battle line is?
The story doesn’t go into detail on how deep the 86 lines go. And they’re already getting sent out to intercept incoming Legion groups, so yes, they probably can send more troops from elsewhere if the first fails.

>>289265608
>he was a kid when they got rounded up
He's still a kid, so a decade give or take. This worthess strategy has worked for a decade, and the Alba haven't bothered amassing industry, or salvaging enemy tech, or doing literally anything with their time other than holding infinite military balls where abusive and incompetent commanders gather to brag how many of their soldiers they got killed today.
>there's more 86
Allegedly, we don't see any supporting groups whatsoever. The 86 are effectively just spearhead. Apparently 100% of the adult 86 population has been lost to attrition.
>what
What do you mean what? It's a minefield with no sappers to lay it again. It couldn't stop the protagonists from escaping, the thing that doomed the city of white haired retards. It's a useless contingency that only allegedly exists because we NEVER SEE IT FUNCTION.
>they were extremely effective
Except against any of the robots more threatening than the tiniest forms. Those things the robots have presumably infinite more of.
>the story doesn't go into detail on
The story doesn't go into detail on anything, because the author knows nothing about the military or battle tactics. What we see and are told is what we must assume to be the case. We see no relief force, every single time we hear about the 86 they are logistically unsupported, denied reinforcements, and barely scraping by. Whatever logistical backing they may "presumably" have, the author hasn't thought about them.

>>289265088
Nah I'm as racist as it gets and I loved it. Real racists see beyond the skin and know that issues between the races are complicated. I can appreciate this show for what it did even if it's racial conflicts and ideas aren't that deep.

>>289265734
>This worthess strategy has worked for a decade
Thank you.
>or doing literally anything with their time other than holding infinite military balls where abusive and incompetent commanders gather to brag how many of their soldiers they got killed today.
Yes. They’re bad.
>Allegedly, we don't see any supporting groups whatsoever.
Yes we do.
>The 86 are effectively just spearhead.
No. >>289264317
>It couldn't stop the protagonists from escaping
Jesus christ.
It’s behind them, you idiot. 86, mines, wall, mortars. Even if you didn’t know that already, which given your grasp of this story I could totally believe, we’re talking about contingencies for if the Legion break through the 86. Why the fuck would the second line of defense be in FRONT of the first? Fucking think a little.
>the thing that doomed the city of white haired retards.
No. >>289264317
>Except against any of the robots more threatening than the tiniest forms.
We see them work on everything but the largest combat Legion San Magnolia knew about, and that one isn’t tested due to Shin fighting it.
>The story doesn't go into detail on anything
A bold stance to take when your grasp of the details of this story sucks so bad.

>>289265990
>thank you
Don't thank me, thank the author for being too stupid to understand his own writing
>they are bad
Incompetent. The word is incompetent.
>mines
The minefields never come into play. They never work. Spearhead runs and the city falls immediately. There are allegedly contingencies to stop the 86 from just running away, god knows what they are though, thought they were mines.
>we see them work
We see them fail. We see the robots bruised but not beaten
>a bold stance
Thank you, I'm very bold. The author was bold too, releasing a military work as a man with down syndrome.

>>289266058
>Don't thank me, thank the author for being too stupid to understand his own writing
Oh the beautiful irony.
>Spearhead runs and the city falls immediately.
>>289264317
>There are allegedly contingencies to stop the 86 from just running away
That’d be the giant army of killer robots.
>thought they were mines.
Why?

>>289266118
>that's months later
Immediately. Yes, that's what I said. They lost a single game piece and a strategy that has apparently be working for a decade falters immediately, presumably on the next robot attack with any ass behind it.
>that'd be the giant army of killer robots
That are avoided by the protagonists. Turns out, when death is guaranteed either way, people will just run. Except apparently not, because the author says so. That's all a work needs for consistency, the author insisting that logic doesn't exist in this instance
>why
Because I watched it years ago with some friends, and some details were drowned out by raucous laughter. I almost feel bad for the guy that recommended it.

>>289266172
>Because I watched it years ago with some friends, and some details were drowned out by raucous laughter. I almost feel bad for the guy that recommended it.
I feel sorry for your friend he deserves better friends.

>>289266220
Nah, friendships aren't made or broken by singular works of media that one person likes. Not good friendships, anyway. I don't need to respect his shitty taste in military drama, he doesn't need to respect my fagslop tendencies. This is getting away from the subject of this LN and anime being rancid dogshit.

>hates anime
>goes to anime forums to cry about it
Why are transsexuals like this? Why not just go be happy on /r9k/?

>>289266172
>Immediately. Yes, that's what I said.
Months latter is not immediately.
>They lost a single game piece and a strategy that has apparently be working for a decade falters immediately, presumably on the next robot attack with any ass behind it.
No. >>289264317
>That are avoided by the protagonists.
They didn’t avoid them, they killed them. >Turns out, when death is guaranteed either way, people will just run.
That’s not true at all. Have you never heard of slave soldiers? Conscripts? Poor POW bastards forced to be the first wave in an attack?
>Because I watched it years ago with some friends, and some details were drowned out by raucous laughter.
Well that explains everything.
You’re acting this critical and authoritative about a show you haven’t seen in years and didn’t even pay attention to when you did? You’re willing to openly admit that and still act like you’ve got any leg to stand on? How fucking arrogant can you be?

>>289266536
>goes on 4chan
>cries when someone shits on something he likes for fun
You should probably leave the site, there are way more positive areas for you to exist.
>>289266631
>no you see the six teenagers weren't integral, there was just an unelaborated offscreen total failure of the defense that was brought on by unknown but unrelated factors within the few months they were away
Seems like the city falls immediately when the teenagers leave. I guess Dan was JUST THAT GOOD after all.

>>289266631
He's a pretentious normalfag who wishes he could fit in more with us but can't bring himself to authentically enjoy the medium for what it is.
>Because I watched it years ago with some friends, and some details were drowned out by raucous laughter. I almost feel bad for the guy that recommended it.
This line clearly gave it away, I've watched plenty of shows I didn't think were great but I never responded like this and don't know anyone who has. That kind of response is fine if you're watching something like Ghost Tales or some so bad it's good show where it's beyond trash and going out of it's way to be bad. But just to have some nitpicks with the plot and to respond like that shows that he never had any respect for the medium in the first place.
Which is fine, I feel the same way about sports but I don't go watch the superbowl and make an ass out of myself in front of my sports fan friends.

>>289266631
You know what slave soldiers, conscripts, and POW meat shields are renowned for? Truly staggering rates of desertion attrition. Russia is using tactics like this RIGHT NOW and their convict-troops are deserting constantly. The author legitimately doesn't understand any lessons centuries of military engagements have taught us.

>>289266687
You’ve been reduced to misquoting and reiterating points I already addressed.

>>289266727
>for what it is
Bad? Poorly written? Unworthy of praise? Embarrassing? The medium of anime doesn't need to be slop for only the most thoughtless and uneducated masses. I authentically enjoy the medium when it delivers things worthy of being enjoyed. When it doesn't, I can enjoy them through lampooning the amateur and worthless works on the internet. This is my authentic enjoyment of 86 for what it is, a YA novel that anybody above the age of 20 should have abandoned.
>no you have to like things or be quiet
"No"

>>289266744
She's a woman, why would she understand those things? War is and always will be the realm of men. Again you have missed the forest for the trees and don't understand what makes this show good or what makes people like it. You are getting hung up on the details when it's the feeling the show evokes that makes people love it and women happen to be pretty good at doing that. Perspective is everything, learn to look at a work of art from the right perspective and many things you didn't like you'll see in a different light.

>>289266744
IRL slave soldiers aren’t faced with omnicidal murder bots. Isn’t Ukraine doing a thing were they’ll pardon any Russian deserters or something? Legion ain’t doing that.

>>289225299
They are emotional retards craving for a simple story they can call "complex political and social drama about war" shit.

I liked the romance, I don't know why Asato decided to turn Lena into a waifubait "prize" for Shin when she was always the more likable and interesting of the two MCs

>>289266796
So you're excusing authorial incompetence by chauvinism? This show isn't good, and I do know why people like it. People like this show because they have no standards for the media they watch and just want hype moments and aura punctuated by a pathetic attempt at basic themes.
>the right perspective
"Just don't think about it bro, it isn't that deep. Just clap when the explosions happen and cheer when Kirito wins again."

>>289266807
Anon we have millennia of warfare to look back on. Even when no quarter is given, they will desert, surrender, or otherwise be extremely unreliable troops. When your choice is death in battle or possible death on the road, you choose the chance at escape. Forced troops are not typically your main battle line and sole military defence for a very good reason.

>>289266792
>no you have to like things
Nope never said that, in fact I'm glad you couldn't appreciate it. You have a grating personality and I really don't like that comment about your friend. Again I don't like sports and you won't see me in /sp/ bitching about it. It's just strange how some people enjoy spending so much time talking about things they hate.

>>289266910
Sorry you didn't get it, that's ok though. :)

>>289267013
It takes all sorts. I'm "All sorts".

>>289266792
>no you have to like things or be quiet
Who quote, fag? No, that’s not the issue here. You don’t have to like the thing. But you’re insisting the the shows bad because of a bunch of things that are objectively, provably wrong, misconceptions you have because, as you admitted, you weren’t paying attention. You don’t fucking know what you’re talking about.
You are exactly what I’m talking about in >>289263614, and I think I’ve gotten at least one possible answer to that question.

>>289267050
Anon, I think you think that containing a basic theme somehow elevates a work from pablum to art. Everyone "got it", the show is written with the subtlety of See Spot Run.

>>289267057
You quibble with minutiae when the gross majority of the show is nonsense, You state the city didn't fall immediately after the teens left because their sudden, total, offscreen defeat was stated to be a couple of months, as though that isn't the exact same thing. You can't defend the show on any of its merits, so you say things like "The author wrote the strategy to have worked, so it's sound" or "It makes sense for the villains to be stupid, because they are bad people".

Why do so many anons completely misunderstanding what 86 is. Its not a war drama. Its not a political drama. Its a character drama. The story goes out of its way to make certain aspects very simple or black and white so you can focus on the characters.

>>289267251
When the conflicts the characters are going through to cause the character drama are poorly conceived, the characters obviously suffer as a result.

>>289267142
>You quibble with minutiae
That’s what you asked for, you stupid bitch. You wanted to know how and why you were wrong, I answered. And lo and behold, I was right, it didn’t make a difference, you’re still pushing points I already addressed and still acting like you understood a show you didn’t pay attention to.
You don’t know what you’re talking about. You do not know what you’re talking about. You’re fucking wrong. Now I’m getting the vibe that you don’t like to admit that, but trust me, you don’t need to.

>>289267251
Because some people can only view art through an analytical lens, everything has to make sense for them to enjoy it.

>>289267307
The city fell immediately after the teenagers left. This is just a fact. The only thing that changed for the city between its resilience and offscreen total defeat was its abandonment by a handful of teenagers in mass produced mechs.

Furthermore, you didn't "Give me the reason" why the Alba are so staggeringly incompetent or why their strategies work, you simply stated they did because the author said so. The Alba are incompetent because they are bad people. Their slave soldier plan worked because despite everything we are ever shown, apparently it's a brilliant plan not at all held together by a single psychic teenager.

>>289251823
That's amazing. I have a totally different takeaway from yours. I can tell that person loves the medium a lot, and they are upset when the medium is bastardized or when mediocrity is held up as achievement.

>>289267324
I think people that refuse to subject things they like to an analytical lens don't like those things. They don't wish to understand the work, they merely enjoy having consumed it thoughtlessly.

>>289267439
Nope, I've thought about this show far more than any average person and my opinion hasn't changed. I even agree with at least half of your nitpicks but I just don't care. Sure it could be a better show if those parts of the story were better done. But it has more than enough positive points to counter balance the flaws.

>>289267492
Genuinely, what positive points does this show have that aren't done better elsewhere?

>>289267501
>Genuinely, what positive points does this show
Countless have already been mentioned I'm not going to repeat the entire thread to you.
>does this show have that aren't done better elsewhere
Irrelevant that is moving the goalpost. We aren't comparing this show to other shows. No one ever claimed it was better or worse than anything else.

>>289267280
They aren't poorly conceived, they are just simple. The legion being a cold killing machine is intentional. The novel doesn't have to waste time on which side is right or the lives lost by the other side. The war exist because the legion are programed to kill.The will of the legion only ever become relevant when it relates directly to one of the characters. Nameless alba were cartoonish drunkards because they're only purpose was to provide a baseline example of what happens when you abandon your convictions. These are just short of necessary constraints to establish and develop the characters. With out them, the story loses focus.

The starting point for any discussion on how good or bad 86 is needs to be the characters. You just aren't going to find the Illiad in a light novel.

>>289267377
You get one more.
>The city fell immediately after the teenagers left.
Wrong. The city fell months latter. 11, to be exact, I checked. “Months latter” is not “immediately.” That’s not what those words mean, this is just a fact.
>The only thing that changed for the city between its resilience and offscreen total defeat was its abandonment by a handful of teenagers in mass produced mechs.
Wrong. The Legion stopped holding back, launched a massive offensive, and destroyed San Magnolia’s defenses with the Morpho. This is plainly stated in the show, and by me in >>289264317, the first post in this discussion, which I have linked back to repeatedly throughout it. Read, nigger, read.
>you didn't "Give me the reason" why the Alba are so staggeringly incompetent or why their strategies work
You’re misquoting again. And yes, I did. From their perspective their strategies are working, because the Legion is holding back.
>you simply stated they did because the author said so. The Alba are incompetent because they are bad people. Their slave soldier plan worked because despite everything we are ever shown, apparently it's a brilliant plan not at all held together by a single psychic teenager.
No, I didn’t. Especially the point that Shin’s holding the whole plan together, you’re the only one saying that.

>>289267788
Why aren't we going to find the Illiad in a LN? I think that's purely because people refuse to hold LNs to acceptable media standards.

>>289267841
Anon, do you know what the L in LN stands for?

>>289267857
Light. "Light reading" does not have to be "Worthless pablum". What part of the hilarious bloody war drama of 86 is "Light" anyway? Did it have to compensate for daring to include challenging themes by making the themes as poorly constructed and simple as possible? What is the value of a character drama where the characters are shaped by asinine circumstance, and therefore have asinine drama?

>>289267796
>protagonist leaves
>death is such a foregone conclusion that the very next time the story even bothers cutting back to the city, it's rubble
>oh but it's been 11 in-universe months

>>289267879
>Light.
And that’s why we’re not going to see the Illiad in an LN, retard.

>>289267933
So the defining feature of the Illiad to you is the length? I assumed we were talking about quality or complexity of story.

>>289267913
>next time the story even bothers cutting back to the city, it's rubble
Wrong.
>oh but it's been 11 in-universe months
Yes.

>>289267956
>doesn’t know what “light” means in the context of reading

>>289267977
Shitty? My light reading is different from your light reading. If "Light" inevitably means "Utter pablum" then damn, no wonder LNs are a scourge.

>>289225299
I really like this anime, Its one of my favorite and its part of the "anime that I keep thinking about for some reason", along with Kokoro Connect. I think its mostly just the world its in and pretty good pacing. My major gripe is it didnt show off more of the republic and the world building is a little shallow. Its kinda how psycho pass is a really cool settings with good execution, Or vivy fluorite eyes even
God I fucking hate anime when they come up with a cool settings and don't go into autistic detail.

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>>289268149
>and pretty good pacing
When I first watched this I found the pacing in the second cour to be a drag, but on the rewatch it felt a lot better.

>>289267879
>>289267841
Because we already have the Illiad in the Illiad. 86 is a different work with a different purpose. Even then, the LN story is heavily elevated by the visual and audio direction in the anime.

Your claim that because the circumstances are asinine the character drama must also be asinine doesnt follow. You would need at the very minimum examples of bad character drama within the work for your criticism to mean anything more than "this show wasn't for me"

Fuck Fred

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