What the fuck was his malfunction?
He's just a fightfag who was given a minmaxed build, Elma notices that and he even admits it.
>>289276546also why aret his guy and especially the next guy so fuckign strong.esepcially the next guy, hes supposed to be a bum. how the fuck is he beating a A tier party with 4 members solo.wouldnt this asshole just be rich adventuring? how the fuck was he stuck doing shitty jobs
>>289276546This what playing briar feels like.
>>289278955Because the rest of the world is stuck on medicore builds because they haven't figured out the systems, while they're minmaxed meta fags with complete gear and finished builds. MC states this at the very beginning. The cult they're part of most likely has another player with the same game knowledge as the MC that juiced them up.
>>289278955It was really 2 and a half member party that fought the twilight mirage build guy. Also his dodge poison build preys really hard on people without knowledge of it. They were saved by the MC knowing how many dodges he had and their cooldowns.
>>289276546As an aside, I love the facial expressions in this series.
>>289285514Shikamaru?
Being TOO AWESOME
why is this considered useless?
lmao look at his hand
>I hate being in pain, so I think I'll make a full defense build., I Hate Getting Hurt, So I Put All My Skill Points Into Defense
>-20% atk debuffok why is this class considered useless again?
>>289290931>lower belt buckle splits in two multiple timesThey're not even trying anymore?
this is so dumb and too much disadvantage for the monster. also damn that face looks scary
>>289290955>it can stack toowhat the hell this is the ULTIMATE supporting class and at level 8 too.
>>289290862Choleric something something aaaaaaa
more like overcome with shit game balance
HE PARRIES EVERYTHING
>>289290862People in this world only respect flashy super special hero classes like saint and chosen heroVery few people respect the honest and respectable middleman classes like defender or warrior. Like they're decent but you're basically a trashman, people don't consider you that impressive. Especially since your class traditionally just defends shit so the actual hero can do his thing. Defenders and healers get no respect
>>289290931>Bro it's fucked, watch me slow it down 5x just so you can notice minor discrepancies!Yeah, AIDS
>>289290955This is fundamentally the flaw with all series that try to pretend tanks/supports are somehow weak classes. Heavy Knight at least has the real reason of it not truly being a game world and actually having permadeath. With permadeath, the tried old true kill first or be killed/a good offense is the best defense wins out most of the time. With actual dying, being a tank would also be the most insane type of lifestyle possible. The thing is the first good tank would be fucking legendary and it'd be hard to believe no other person in the tank class had truly managed it before.
>>289290862>>289291351It's because Asian MMOs and social games with few exceptions are just dps checks. Every now and then you get games with secretly powerful meme builds but they are few and far between so healers, luck oriented and defense oriented classes end up useless more often than not.
they really nailed the look of a PS2 game with these backdrops
>>289291708FFXI is basically unplayable without a full complement of supports.
>>289291708>>289290862The entire series is MC beating the game using two relatively (considered) shitty classes, and just using game knowledge to max out their value.One of the biggest draws of this series is it hunkers down into the autism of gameplay bullshit, character builds, items, and autism. Rather than ever just throwing it out the window for generic "Friendship" style power levels.
>>289276546>Be honor/justicefag>Have terrible luck>try to play hero>Everyone fucking sucks>Get framed for crimes, manage to fuck up everything you ever do>Slowly grow to hate everyone>Realize that you always fucking sucked and lacked ability all along>Someone offers you power>Finally you can revel in your power above all the shitty people that looked down on you, although really you're just taking out that former hatred on people not connected to what caused you to break in the first place>Even though you became respected as a hero it feels entirely hollow since you became entirely bitter and broken while trying to begin with, even when you're finally recognized it becomes kinda fucking meaningless>Fuck, guess there was no point in any of this>Decide to kill yourself By the time he got what he wanted he had already grown entirely bitter and resentful
>>289291030But that's how it works in mmos
>>289283435wouldnt shikumaru have mentioned that there is now way he should be this strong?
>>289290862Everyone wants to unga bunga, no one wants to be on the receiving end of unga bunga.
>>289278955DId you even read the manga? Both of them only got strong because the cult gave them OP builds. If they tried to return to normal adventuring, the cult would hunt them down in retaliation.
>>289290955Because bosses resist it by half(and also have magic attacks that don't even care about it). As for regular mobs, a fast offensive class would kill a mob in the same time it takes a slow heavy knight to land one disarm, and a dead mob can't do damage in the first place.
>>289293320yeah but the characters should make note of that, its 4th wall breaking for shikumaru to not mention it at all
So am I right in guessing the former trainer is actually being a huge tsundere right now or has some mission to make sure absolutely nothing happens with Elymas? How much further do the LNs go past the manga?
>>289290862You need to be able to kill things higher level than you in that game to progress in a timely manner.Defence classes and healers struggle with that, at least early on.
>>289276546>every villain is just a product of the world framing them for a crime they never did.
>>289291856They're not bad classes by any metric, just need specific items/skill books to become good/broken which in a setting where the nobility hoards skill books is a pain in the ass.
>>289291693Exactly, the manga regularly brings up the fact that the early bloomer/balanced classes are the most popular ones in the world because people are naturally risk averse so they don't want to use a class that's dogshit for the first few levels or has gaping flaws due to being hyper specialized.
>>289293430Yeah it's somewhat a recurring pattern that the MC's noble family really loves him (even his father), it's just that tradition dictates that you need to get the right class or else you get the boot so they're frustrated at him for getting a shit class (which is partly his fault for wanting it). Hell every random grunt under his family keeps stumbling and accidentally calling him master before correcting themselves. Even Malice is just a yandere.
the mc in this is so luckyhe can grind his penis level with the clown to his heart's content
>>289295596He doesn't have a penis. Would get in the way of his defense max build. He's as smooth as a Ken doll down there.
So this arc will probably have an evil Heavy Knight. Doesn't surprise me at all considering how widely known its broken status was in the game world so it'd be weird if they didn't try to make someone one. I wonder how complete its build will be compared to the MC's, they can gather all the skill books and gear they need but one thing that hasn't been brought up much is the fact that the universe forces you to advance through guild ranks to raise your skill cap so a cult that's actively in opposition of the established government would probably have a hard time operating out in the open taking high rank advancement quests. They'd have to recruit already high ranking adventurers now that the cat's out of the bag.
>>289295426>RNG meme class
>>289296992A class like that would naturally be desired by plenty of people looking to get rich if they know good farm spots. Sure as a solo class it's way too unreliable but any group with a slot to spare in their party would want to get rich with it. I'm surprised there hasn't been a comment of nobility hogging people with the lady luck skill tree much like how they hog competent alchemists.
>>289297092Yes, Lady Luck skill is independent of Jester btw.Luce just lucked into getting born/appraised with it.And low level adventurers might not have heard about Lady Luck being a good skill, but have heard that Jesters are noob shit gtfo my party tier and just humored her (in their opinion), whereas higher rank adventurers would immediately want her in their party if only they knew.BUT.Telling people about your skills is a bit frowned on in this world. That shit's private and reserved for close allies.So people see Jester and that's all they see.
>>289291708It's not Asian MMOs, it's any raid-based MMO. Raid-based content is based off of WoW, after all, and older MMOs were by and large based off of Everquest, both American games.This isn't even entirely true anyway, most games require you to run supports (buffers and healers) otherwise your team dies and/or you lack DPS, and you usually require at least 1 tank but modern MMOs try to force 2 tanks whenever possible.There is still the issue where tank (defense-based) classes are also expected to do damage, and people minmax their damage potential over mitigation, but as another anon said it's laughable when these series act like tanks are totally useless. Outside of outlier cases like FF11 Ninja, it's basically impossible to clear most endgame content in any MMO without a tank because your team will just fucking die and tanks. I understand wanting your family to represent the flashy quest, but exiling your son because he is an immortal tank is retarded.
At the rate this is going, it feels like ep 26 will end with Elymas vs Malice instead of defeating the skeleton knight.
>>289298057Nevermind, this episode covered the beginning of chapter 2 all the way to the middle of chapter 4.
At this rate, we won't see Ruche for another 2 episodes...
>>289291856>self-poison Tainted Pact melee chadBASED BASED BASEDhttps://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Tainted_Pact
>>289297092People typically aren't going to center their class around other people and support like that. Especially when people can screw you over and leave you behind. When you have a class that's impossible to use without optimal set up and support you're almost useless, unless you magically meet the right people.These three guys are more what you'll find commonly. They aren't minmaxed, they're all set up so they can handle any situation which shows how much they understand on some level you're in this yourself. They have to be able to handle most situations on their own. Most people can't afford to minmax meme builds because you need an optimal group to maximize it
What's the next cheese build they'll run into?I'd says thorns but that might be too much like heavy knight reflection
>>289302955It might just be a heavy knight considering the illustrations on the wall correspond to their agents and the heavy knight looking one got a focus panel in >>289295688. Also what's thorns?
>>289303077deal x amount of damage to attacker when hit
I have to wonder, what would make isekai players want to destroy their isekai world for fun. Maybe they got isekai'd before a special event in magic world that was sort of like an end times style event and they want to reenact the thing in their new home to see how it would've been like.
>>289303361Maybe one of them wants to go home?
>first 3 minutes of ep2 is a fucking recapThey're not gonna do this every episode are they?
what was the whole thing about spell swords having a personality debuff? Did he ever elaborate on that?
Latest manga chapter is pissing me off. MC party fights level 90+ enemies on the daily but apparently they're just bums in front of MC's family's knights. If there are this many strong people running around then what's the big deal with being A rank or beating high level shit? A retarded count with muscle for brain have platoon of them under his employment.So much for this world having primitive level of builds knowledge.
>>289305164What? He outright says that while the classes are versatile they don't really excel in any particular way due to how all rounded they've been built to be. I think his family just compensates for their mediocre class building with raw strategic and martial knowledge.
>>289305164Naturally there are going to be smarter and stronger people in the upper ranks. However he says all of them basically have novice builds. He understands why they're built like that to anticipate every situation on their own but he says no one who wanted to get top tier in the game would use any of those classes or builds. In the actual MMO people would have to max their build out towards a certain path for the synergy of the entire party; but all of the family knights are trying to be all rounders, the wizard knows close combat "just in case it comes up", the sorcerer is also built for close combat, all of them are trying to be one man parties with no synergy for each other, its like they're all build independently with no synergy because they cant' rely on each other in the end, but they're still beating enemies easily because their teamwork is honed. It sounds contradictory at first but it kinda reflects the mindset of the family.
>>289304620It's mentioned in the newest chapter, personality affects what class you get. Magic swordsman has a reputation of being assigned to hothead/main character syndrome types.
>>289305246What he say and what's happening doesn't line up. They're still making literal quick work of high level enemies. The same enemies that a party of giga-optimized builds lead by a guy who know literally every skills in the game, struggled with till only recently.
>>289305494Don't they usually make a distinction between bosses and mobs? Even high level mobs are shown to be relatively simple to kill as long as you know what you're doing and don't have a gigantic level gap/equipment gap between you and them. We'll see how well they perform against a boss soon enough. I mean something with not even 400 hp isn't going to be too hard compared to the fucking tank that was the Taotie.
>>289305573
>>289290862Heavy Knight is an unironically bad class at the low levels, it looks impressive when he's stomping monsters below level 20 with his raw stats but he's a tank with no way to draw aggro or lock an enemy down. It scales better than the other tank classes and the MC knows how to abuse synergies but if you don't know that then you are playing a tank class that can't do anything but take hits.
>>289305754>lock an enemy down.Doesn't he have that low level shadow stomp skill or did he get that after the 20s?
>>289305783It's the third Heavy Knight skill but it only stops enemies from moving within the range of keeping their shadow overlapped with his foot and he can't move at all during it or else it gets cleansed. Which again like his other early skills makes it good for beating elites but will only keep bosses and the like down for the second it takes to hit him and push him off their shadow. Like all the abilities are really good against regular elite enemies like the spider but fall off completely against bosses.
>>289305573>>289305635Fucking devs, JUST LET ME PLAY SOLO REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>twink can shit on lvl 1 monstersHeavy Knight is badDad was rightMalice love
>>289307983I am curious to see how much Malice improves in the latest arc. She's probably a fair bit stronger now that she's had time to level up and is so obsessed over losing to the MC she's probably cooked up an anti heavy knight strategy if she ever gets the chance to kill him again.
>>289297407Heavy Knight is known for its sturdiness, not its enmity generation. I'm sure there are tanks in that world that can genuinely hold hate out of the box.
>>289308945True, MC wouldn't have had to use that item against the teleporting monster in the promotion exam had he away to naturally draw aggro.
>>289290862We been here before. Shield Hero also.
>>289309540In case you don't know already the reason this class is so broken is because of another skill tree that basically buffs the shit out of your stats at low HP and can convert defense to atk so you have a class that can drain its own hp for some defensive skills paired with retarded buff stacks.
>>289290862Because it doesnt do damage unlike the cheat build that MC has in mind which turns useless defense stat into pure damage value with a shitton of multipliers
>>289293467Well they boosted their healer a lot in manga in some place
>>289297398>>289296992When you can make rng extremely likely and when it happens its a gorillion % crit bonus then its suddenly not so bad at all
What's Divine Protection and did it somehow make tanks much better back in the day?
Lets talk about your BUILD
>>289311670Critical Inflictor just makes the most sense since she has Lady Luck but I really want to know what kind of magic a clown uses. Stable one also looks pretty interesting, some sort of juggling build?
>>289311753Since it's a general clown build it'd need to somehow sync with her main skill tree that has her do shit like leap around and not a pure luck meme build. Maybe there's some way to effectively multicast via some juggling ability.
Probably the most bullshit part of this is that you can upgrade your skills in the status menu during fights.
>>289312095Wrong image
>>289311670Nothing about the mango, but since some anon mentioned FFXI Ninja let's talk about that. There used to be only 1 real endgame tank, Paladin. Godly enmity (monster aggro) generation, high HP, high damage mitigation, invincibility from psychical damage skill. That's the only good thing it was ever good at, absorbing big hits and keeping aggro. Many years later Ninja was introduced and it became the new meta being a strictly evasion tank using Ninjutsu damage to hold aggro. Paladin fell out of the meta since FFXI was notoriously grindy back in the day sometimes taking hours to reach xp camps. And once you got there you were there for hours and xp/hr was a big deal. Long story short Paladins had a hard time catching xp parties while Ninjas were super SSS tier because they could evasion tank and do damage at the same time to normal mobs. To put it in to perspective it took an entire day of grinding to go from 74-75, the max level at the time. Then there was a short time during an expansion where PLD/NIN became a thing due to massive debuffs affecting a huge aoe that could be absorbed by ninja shadows (either 1 attack or one spell could be absorbed), but still had big hits that still had to be tanked. Hydra, Cerberus, etc. So the meta shifted to a tank that could tank a hit or two yet protected from big status effects, the tradeoff was aggro. Paladins could still use their tankiness and the Ninja's evasiveness, but lacked the big aggro pulling abilities from the Warrior subclass, mainly provoke, which drew a ton of aggro. Instead they would rely on flash, a Paladin skill that drew aggro and evading attacks from the Ninja shadows, since every hit you received on any class in the game would lower your aggro and let whatever monster you were trying to tank run free.
>>289310977Divine protection is that ceremony that determines classes. By saying the "mystique has been lost" he's basically saying that classes are already "solved" so there's no such thing as a way to make heavy knights good which is funny since he thinks they've learned all there is to learn about class building which is extremely far from the truth as shown by the cult and the mc.
My favorite joke was probably the one with the MC asking why the fuck the flame fencer has points invested in a redundant tree when his primary skill tree should be more than enough for fire related buffs.
>>289290862Everyone us retarded to make mc feel smart. Probably written by some "gamer" highschooler too.
>>289312304Nah it's more like the MC has a bird's eye view of the setting's mechanics and available skills/equipment due to experiencing them prior in the modern world. Information is extremely limited for people in the setting, even nobles don't have as much info as the average magic world player would so barely anyone probably knows about what some specific ultra rare skill books teach before using them besides their vague descriptions and while advancing blindly through the setting they have to ensure they don't die to some monster so they naturally prioritize safer classes. All this ensures that he can actually plan ahead his build while everyone else is blindly stumbling forward.
LNfags, has he picked a third skill tree to replace Attack Boost? If not, has he even hinted at it?He already has mitigation from Oath of Heavy Armor, and ridiculous damage from smoldering fang. What would he even add? Mobility? CC?
>>289312409Clown Cunny Obliteration skilltree
>>289308459I don't think it matters much unless the story is bullshit>He has optimal builds, optimal grinding, optimal level design, grinding all the best equipment Unless some villain gives her a giant power up out of nowhere, I don't think she could really level up and grind faster or more effectively than he's currently doing. Its not like she has knowledge about grinding methods. He's already like Lv82 by now. You have MC who already beat her, and he has a massive headstart in grinding and gear upgrading since that time, the only way she could be stronger is if she was more effective at the thing he's most effective at.Maybe the family could bullshit things and give her the best gear automatically, but she would still be behind him in knowledge. Also he isn't obliged to a one on one battle next time.
>>289312304Technically, it's because he doesn't play a traditional MMO where tanks are valuable members of a 40+ team. You are not getting giant dungeons with raid bosses that have multiple phases here. This isn't WOW or FFXIV.
>You get promoted>To "pre-A rank"This is bullshit"pre" isn't a rank, stop making up fake ranks. Just make more ranks.
>>289312989BBB rank then, now shut your mouth retard
>>289312556His family is obsessed with that class and has actually min maxed it pretty hard. There's a reason his dad is very OP.
>>289312989It really just is a fake A-rank made solely to get more people to go on the cult hunting expedition in the forest since there aren't enough A ranks to go around.
She's so cute.
>>289313282She thinks she's married to him...
I just realized they have matching star motifs on their outfits.
>>289305164It's literally all the Edvaughn family has. The 3 with Elymas are probably the best in the entire family outside of the ones with Malice or his dad most likely due to being named characters. Basically they literally only have 40 soldiers trained to supreme martial excellence that will crumple when fighting mixmaxed shit. His dad has jackshit besides the single platoon and that's why Count Ryuk was able to give him so much shit. There are probably more soldiers than them, but these are the ones who he selected to not embarrass the entire noble house.
>>289314962NTA but the count is probably one of the most well wrote nobles I've seen from a story for a while.
>>289314998It's really ridiculous how well-written he is. I thought we'd just a basic "ah-ha, the evil looking guy is actually Le GOOD" but he's as conniving as a nobleman needs to be, while caring for his people, being political and being caring to people, even his enemy's child.
>>289315087Exactly.I think it REALLY clicked when the MC realised the count had already figured out that Carlos was with the cult.He already guessed that the MC had knowledge that he shouldn't have, so what does he do? he tests him, he sends him out after a cult member to see what he does. Both to see if he is really as competent as he seems AND to make sure he isn't secretly with the cult.It's brilliant really.
>>289276546MAN IS TOO ENERGIZED FROM CLUSSY TO DIE
>>289291708This is the truth and why I think games like FF11 even left Japan. RO was notorious for it. It's also what started the classic trope of "IF YOU STICK WITH THE WEAKEST CLASS UNTIL LEVEL 99 YOU GET A MIRACLE ABILITY AND ONE OF THE STRONGEST CLASSES" as well as damage checks everywhere.
>>289291030>>289291065The fact it stacks is the most unrealistic part about this. debuffs absolutely wreck mid-boss world enemies like this because they're all just damage checks. But surprise, even in games where they're free, no one ever uses them. Facerolling does the job 99% of the time.
>>289300752I imagine if everyone could read their own stats and skill tree like he could, they would realize right away that their classes are mediocre. The swordsman seems to be a classic trope of PVP oriented class that is not made for the PvE content.
>>289304408Every single show I've watched from this to Magilumiere to the one about Luck the sorcerer whose name I forgot is like this.I don't get what's going on. Maybe they're assuming zoomers don't watch these regularly.
On the bottom left, I just love how the artist inserted his old yakuza Manga characters.
>>289315802It's kind of funny that she could just live off gambling now.Or even just farming low lvl areas with her drop rate. It was already good when she was first introduced, it must be amazing now.
The Manga is one of the older paradigms where the content is already like an arc or two ahead of the WN and even the LN apparently...
>>289316075*odder
How would you fair in your RPG of choice?I'm a nwns fag so I'll be fine.
>>289316203I choose a crappy porn game and have seggs LOL
>>289313304fake it 'till you make it
Am I the only one that thinks Malice is kind of cute when she first gets introduced?
>>289311753>clown magic>summon balloon animals>cast pie magic>fake flower water canon
it's impressive that this manga has zero fanserviceit does create a craving for the clussy tho
>>289315720>if everyone could read their own stats and skill tree like he couldThey could. They just don't know what the next skill is until they reached it.
Fuck, she is just to perfect.That fucking smile, I'm Gosling so fucking hard
>>289317507Heavy Knight from Luce's point of view really must be something.>be struggling clown adventurer barely getting by or even getting paid>get told to get lost with your pay thrown to the ground>as you go to beg for your spot back random knight begs you to join his party>80/20 split>in your favor>first adventure already has you millions of gold richer>turns out the knight is the exiled son from a famous noble family>his father ends up acknowledging you>fighting with your life on the line constantly to the point where it's just normal>you're up multiple adventurer ranks, 70 levels, and one of the richest adventurers around before you know it>also caught up in an adventure that possibly has to do with the fate of the world>it's just ride or die now since you're also in love
>>289309540This show would be 1000% better if Maple was the MC again. She'd probably roflstomp this guy too.
>>289316473There are some moments of fan service, but the really lewd designs are regulated to one-off characters.There is a Dancer who flashes her tits everywhere, but she is only around for a mini-arc.
>>289317659Stop, you fuck.
>>289316075Someone posted some art from the LN is the isekai thread a bit ago that definitely hasn't happened in the manga yet.
>>289305164>>289314962>big noble house>can only field 38 people>including yourselfThey better be strong. Onorea's squad is likely the strongest there. It was meant to act as a 3 person only squad meant to carry any adventurer riffraff possible. If you look at the full platoon, at least a 3rd of them are generics. Even dad's unit is practically mirrored nobodies. That squad on the far right is just fucking doomed red shirts. Malice has 2 combat maids and it seems the teams next to Elma's might have some actual characters that will get introduced later. 2 female mages, 1 male, 2 brawler looking dudes, and a guy in a top hat. Axe and spear guys in Malice's units might also be somebodies.
>>289316289It'd be funny if her reality bending luck actually managed to create a circumstance in which she marries him.
>>289318422That's what the count was talking about when he said the age of one man armies is over.The MCs dad IS a one man army.
>>289318736It's funny because the MC basically built himself to be a one man army despite being disinherited. Then again against a cult whose members all have been taught min maxed builds one guy with a min maxed build is nothing.
>>289318736The MC nearly dies multiple times until he is saved by one of his comrades. The class is really strong, but you live on the razor's edge due to how dangerous it is. In a game it's alright, but it's another story when you can't resurrect.
>>289290862Back when I played Blade & Soul, everyone was dps. Dungeons? Just dodge and DPS. Raids? Let someone good at dodging AND dps get aggro and then all DPS. If you weren't dps or have support dps buffs you were useless.
>>289318777I wonder if we'll start to see the cult send multiple agents at once. They should know by now that sending one guy at a time just gets them killed.
>>289318777The MC currently isn't a one man army.He is very strong vs trash and he is very strong vs a single strong enemy but he can't handle both at the same time, that isn't what I'm talking about.
>>289305423wow he's literally me
>>289305573Yup, you're right about the difference. The lvl92 Andras that Onorea fought isn't as strong as the lvl92 Anak Elymas fought.
>>289320274The difficulty usually comes from how many different attacks they have and how smart they are. He's regularly surprised by how intelligent and adaptable monsters have been to the point that if it's a boss he expects them to change up their patterns from those he's seen in the game after he outmaneuvers them once.
>>289320547Yup, I agree with that 100%. It also makes the noble crew more impressive to be able to outmaneuver the lvl 92 monster with just their martial talents, since Elymas usually wins by exploiting attack patterns from his enemies. However, in terms of stats and skills the Anak is just outright superior. I've seen many complain when the chapter came out that the nobles were able to beat a lvl92 monster with ease(I was one of them too), but they don't really take into account how different this one is to the one that Elymas fought at the exams.
Snow is so damn best girl, it’s frustrating
>>289322322That's not Maebel.
>>289322909Do we know who her voice actress is?
>>289322909
>>289322909Mabel would make fun of your small dick.She'd still suck it and ride it, but she'd make fun of it all the time.And still be the one to initiate and get more dickings.
Is this first anime season 1-cour or 2-/split-cour?
>>289326543As expected of a healer.
>>289327259They should call themselves the memeface party.
>>289312095Thats fine since they are not distributing them on purpose. Imagine playing diablo or wow but actually waiting before you spec into something as there is possibly no way to unlearn the skills and you are locked with them forever. So you rather level what is necessary right now than level beforehand, get wrong talents (for this specific fight) and get ultimately fucked
>>289276546The cultists exploited his moment of weakness and corrupted his desire to be a hero.
>>289328066Imagine being able to change your equipment or skills midbattle
>>289327259Actually true to the MMO healer personality.
>>289310977Some nobles think that their bloodlines are blessed with divine protection because they keep pulling strong classes, and Aizas is one of them. They use their personal combat strength to protect their territories as elite troops and that becomes the source of their influence. But now the times are starting to shift and society is starting to put less emphasis on the personal combat strength of nobles, so the Edvaun family's influence is waning and Aizas isn't happy with that. He fears that letting a Heavy Knight, who is widely considered to be a weak class, inherit the family at such a difficult time would destroy any influence they have left.
>>289290862It's not. But Heavy Knights have to compete with other tank classes that may be inferior in pure tanking, but way more versatile and easy to use.
Do the nobles know that your desires influence the class you receive?
>>289329438Probably to a degree, might be why they're pissed at the MC for not wanting their grorious swordmaster crass
In a world where regular Fortress classes or Sword Saint classes exist, people probably wonder why anyone would choose heavy knight which seems like a shitty inbetween of a tank and a regular DPS class. It lacks the speed of regular DPS and it doesn't have as good of protection options as a regular fortress.Only someone with game knowledge would know that its actually strong because its an attacking class.
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>>289322322I think Snow has less screentime than Malice at this point
>>289328979>tfw no healdomme EB
>>289329072The only things Heavy Knight beats other tanks in is taking a hit and resisting status effects, it's terrible at the most important job of making sure enemies don't attack other party members. Almost 200 chapters in and he has exactly one ability that stops enemies and even then it does nothing to protect people that are already within swing range of the enemy. There's a good reason why his party members are a "rogue" that backflips to safety after each swing, an archer that stands in the back, and a cleric that stands in the back.
>>289316075looked around and i don't even see the LN shared anywhere, there's just v1 and that's it. at least for the jp version, dunno if it's translated anywhere. and if the WN is behind it's probably because the author slowed updates to focus on the LN
So let me get the mechanics straight, 3 skills from your mainclass, or from books to overwrite, and no respecs?
>>289331130Or skill trees rather not skills
>>289330622Magic World doesn't have that hidden aggro calculator typical MMOs have. That disarm attack would have been the Heavy Knights first aggro builder in another MMO, but it's just some status effect skill that doesn't even work on bosses.The class is just garbage all-round, only saved by an oversight from the devs who probably didn't patch the thing out because players were throwing real money into the game to get the skill book.
>>289278955They were pretty beat up and mentally traumatized such that it wasn't a 1v4 for the most of it. Though does that mean the evil org can do skill refunds since he must have spent his points on other shit before they had him switch to the metagolem build.
>>289328839But they arent changing it, they are just adding more points. Wonder if their game world has some respec option
>>289290862So far in the manga heavy knight doesn't have a mass taunt and doesn't have a reposition if the enemy used theirs to skip the frontline.
>>289305164There's nothing said about the quality of their builds, they're simply high level.>>289318422I assumed the generic soldiers are actually just unnamed characters that the LN doesn't mention, and all the colorful characters are actual named characters who have actual interactions.
>>289331418He has shadow step, but it doesn't actually direct the enemy to him, just stalls for time. He also does get shield bash, which repositions the enemy themselves, but again, it does not build any kind of aggro, and the enemy will head for a party member if they are not blocked.
>>289291856Pierrot seems like a decent stabby mcstab base with mobility and clones. The issue with clussy was her group told her to luckmaxx then tried to stiff her when they got lucky.
>>289331161If you're able to overwrite skill trees with those from books, you could potentially keep overwriting until you get the ideal build. Your only limiting factor would be having the correct skill book. That's if you're able to overwrite skill trees from books, I mean.
>>289331612Basically, you are stuck with the dedicated class tree (MC's Oath of the Knight) but the other two can be replaced with anything except other dedicated class trees since afaik those don't drop from anything and the real limiter is your rank within the Adventurer guild since that caps out skills at a certain level.
Does replacing a skill tree that has skill points invested in it with a skill tree from a book refund spent skill points?
>>289332537I was wondering that myself. I don't think we've seen it in the manga, both skills that have been replaced for Smoldering Fang and Grim Reaper had 0 points in them. I don't think Elymas added any points into defense booster.That would be a pretty big drawback to constantly swapping your skill trees with skillbooks.
>>289331227The devs understand that almost no one is stupid enough to play enmity on a protector class, and use it as a damage dealer. Especially with its lack of speed. In order to take advantage of the speed loss you'd need a full party that doesn't rely on you heavily as a protector, and who can make up for your loss of speed.
>>289333725I think the class was just put there because of tradition(you know tank class), and content.Magic World doesn't look it will have enough content when you max out your first class, so making toons of different classes was a way of extending the game's life.
>>289334012No there's other tank and protector classesHeavy Knight is a mix between a protector and a knight.
>>289331130It's 1 skill tree for your class and 2 randomish ones.
>>289335007put the clown makeup on
>>289336242She still has her teardrop on to make sure everyone knows she killed someone.
>>289336242Do you not see her jester eye mark?
>>289336281>>289336365Not enough. Get a rainbow wig.
>>289336434she does wear one, she's wearing it right now in that pic. She wants Elmas to find it
>>289322322>>289329780Is polygamy allowed in this world?
>>289336839Yes, but it's only practiced by a super rich noble house. Some banished noble turned adventurer might not be able to get a religious or government institution to give him the world's equivalent of a wedding contract/ceremony with multiple women.
It'd be nice if this got a second set of episodes to Alchemist Girl could show up, while she's a minor character I think she's important to show that noble kids exiled for reasons other than incompetence are a step above normal adventurers and Elymas isn't exactly unique in shitting on all the kids who never picked up a sword before getting given a class.
>>289337747Doubt it'll get that far. This cour for sure ends with the Malice & Elymas fight. Second cour should end right after they kill the skeleton boss. We'll see if it gets a third season depending on how well the manga/LN sells.
>>289338041Yeah it'd probably take about 4 cours to get to her arc more or less.
>>289338041That's why I said second set of episodes, but checking again it'd probably be cour 3 Tower cour 4 submerged capital so no Alchemist til cour 5 if we got that far.
is the LN even translated?And if it is, where?
>>289338926No and doesn't really matter, the latest volume came out this month and covers the summon fight and forest so basically the same place the Manga is at.https://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/4065436141?ie=UTF8&tag=_comicplus-22&linkCode=as2&camp=247&creative=1211&creativeASIN=4065436141
>>289338973of course it matters, the LN is obviously going to have more details than the manga, on top of often having slight to major story changes
>>289338973>Luche saving her father-in-law
>>289291999>the time he got what he wanted he had already grown entirely bitter and resentful
>>289291999He wasn't an honor/justicefag though. He was a narcissist, he said so himself. The justicefag persona was what he wanted to become after he actually made it, as a means of getting praise and fame of course.
>>289339525The entire reason his act worked is because he was recreating his old personality before he went to shit. They also say later on that the reason his acting was so good is because he was putting his real feelings into it, this is what he really wanted to be, and its what he was before he turned to shit. He said he was just recreating his old self.Part of what made him go to shit is over examining all his past actions and seeing them all in a negative light, when really he did start as something of an idealist. Later on he just saw it as narsasistic delusion, but that's just how he currently sees it. He wanted to save people, later on he just sees it as pathetic because he "wanted to look cool" or "wanted to be famous", but both of those things are true. People aren't perfect, they can do things for more than one reason, his persona was good because it was full of his real feelings.
>>289339525His whole arc is hilarious.>Think you're the protagonist of reality>Get repeatedly slammed in the face by the fact that you actually suck and everyone is out off by how much of a pompous dickhead you are>Retreat further into dickheadism>Guy shows up and says "hey kid wanna do some drugs?">Know he's sketchy but go along with him anyways>Become strong>It goes to your head and you start thinking you're the protagonist again>Get your shit slapped>They ask who the guy was>"No I can't give up my dealer, everyone will know I'm just a loser nobody!"You already were nobody you little faggot. Give up the mastermind and maybe people will still remember your name in a week.
>>289339764>>Retreat further into dickheadismMore like the only reason he took the deal is because his morals, ideals, and dreams were already broken and he was already at the end of his rope. There was no idealism left>Start off playing hero>Get scammed>Get scammed>Get scammed>Get scammed>Get scammed>Realize you're actually retarded>You know what, fuck everyone>Someone offers him powerThe villain of the next arc was honestly even worse>Make a deal with your best friend to sell his equipment after he dies, and use it to buy drinks>You try to honor the deal but people think you killed him for his equipment, because why did you have his equipment, and why were you trying to sell it>Everyone labels him a criminal and murderer>You can't get work anymore due to the rumors>Guild literally doesn't step in at all to clears his name even after the investigation clears him>Just decides its too late for him and he may as well go along with playing the villain>Sees the kid he was taking care of trying to clear his name, decides before he leaves town he may as well teach the kid to stop worshipping a piece of shit like him by betraying him, just to show him not to trust people>Make him pawn off a family bow for money>You don't even need the money, toss it in the river the second you leave>So that the kid will one day try to kill you
>>289339726>>289339764The entire fight really surprised me, I thought he'd be good since he was A-rank but he was genuinely carried by his build.
>>289339893We see that a lot of B-Ranks are shitters with generalist skills stacked up by levels so one of them getting to A off a OP build makes sense.
>>289339890Being a hero was a means to an end. He never had any ideals to begin with.>>289339920I was waiting for him to pull out some meta strategy but all he did was unga bunga. That could really be the strategy, just win through attrition but I also feel like the cult never taught him how to actually fight with the build in a PVP scenario lest he became an enemy down the line.
>>289339987Being a hero was a means to become a hero, which is what he wanted all along. His act was imbued with his real feelings to play the hero.
>>289340005You're basing your argument over what Elymas' is saying while consoling a guy, versus what he actually said himself before he died.
>>289339893>>289339920The general level of skill and power in the world is fairly low explicitly because it's a real life MMO.You can't change classes and you can't really experiment with builds because death means real death, not respawning at a save point. People aim for jack-of-all-trade classes and go for low risk, low cost builds out of pragmatism and only schizo retards like this guy blunder into strong builds by accident.
>>289340059You also have to deal with your basic skillset because guess what village peasant, you ain't buying a 50 million gold skill grimoire from a dungeon 60 levels ahead of you
>>289340075even the nobles who horde all the skillbooks aren't really extensively testing with them or taking big risks
>>289340075Yeah but that one's more an issue of nobles bogarting knowledge and making it illegal to buy skillbooks. So you get stuff like the woman who has Attack and Defense boosts as her random skills making it to B rank.
>>289340059He didn't blunder into itThe enemy of the story is someone else who also has knowledge of the real world, and is giving various people OP builds in exchange for them doing evil things for him. Main character is beating the people with cheat builds using game knowledge.
I wonder if Luche can dual wield.
>>289299053He's actually a melee/ranged hybrid, something like CoC Volatile Dead (heatseeking fireballs) on top of self-poison tainted pact. Which is indeed based as fuck, and the build is based around a weapon that makes it incredibly OP. GGG take notes.>>289281318Also they're just high level, the OP builds help a lot but a 20 level swing is more than enough for a 4v1 most of the time all by itself.>>289312304It's really not this, while the writing and worldbuilding are pretty standard isekai slop, the charop stuff actually feels really solid. If the author is a teenager they're a PoE player.>>289297398That's not quite true, iirc your first skill tree is your class skill and the next two are randomly drawn from a pool that is mostly determined by your class as well. (or overwritten by a skill tome item)>>289295688We don't know that the keystones for the broken heavy knight build are. Partly it's just levels and getting the skill book and not misallocating your points, but given the 'strongest in the game' tier and what we've seen from other S-rank builds, there'll be a specific weapon that makes it insane.>you count as being at low life (19%) regardless of your current HPwould remove the HP management downside and be busted, but not really thematic for a sword - maybe that's the build's accessory? A unique shield that allows further stat-swapping like No Defense Spared maybe, like 'while using your shadow step, your speed counts as zero and double your defense' - meant to let a HK actually survive locking a boss onto them, but which then gets turned into attack instead. The whole brokenness of the combo is that the game doesn't mind letting players be nigh-invincible, especially temporarily, so levels of defense scaling are allowable that the devs would never allow for attack power, since DEF 1000 for one round just walls the boss for one round but ATK 1000 for one round oneshots it.
>>289340443iirc she can but that's for a different (but also good) pierrot build, her current base attacks are worthless and her charge-up autocrit only attacks once.>>289327412Ruche's reaction faces hard carry this manga.
>>289340469My guess/hope is that endgame Heavy Knight gets a CC skill to drag people towards them as a follow up to Shadow Stomp, a way to constantly gain the life shield he has from his sacrifice skill, and the Frenzy/Sleep immunity he has right now expanding to cover other conditions over time to tank indefinitely. Make it into the ultimate 1v1 me bro class that can force enemies into melee while tanking everything else and grind out entire hordes of monsters/enemy players by sniping the main damage dealers one at a time while being immune to basically all crowd control.
>>289340469>there'll be a specific weapon that makes it insane.I don't understand why he hasn't equipped jewelry yet. Unless equipping a necklace takes up the torso slot, or rings taking up the hands slot.
>>289332743It would be pretty darn convenient for respeccing if you do get them back though. I'd guess they're gone. Also no one has the money to use use skill books regularly, the only people I'd image who used two are read-and-regret types who janked up their build and then tried to fix it.
>>289340530>Ruche's reaction faces hard carry this manga.carries the mangacarries Elmascarries my heart
>>289334459>>289331227magic world sounds like a bit of a kusoge
>>289340690most MMOs aren't good, they're just timesinkst. has thousands of hours in MMOs
>>289340598Since it's based on an MMO, I'd imagine you'd have to get them back otherwise you can instantly brick a character if you swap skill trees too late.>>289340469>Shield with an effect that adds all healing received into a life shield>Third skill tree will be some vampire tree where a % of the damage dealt is absorbed/leeched>Has some sort of invulnerability akin to becoming fog that acts as your answer to movement impairing CC>Has some sort of shadowstep ability that lets you teleport to enemies solving your lack of mobility>Has some sort of major damage cooldown that puts you into a blood frenzy
>>289340587He used the starter iron armor he equipped at level one for like 50 levels, so either 1) he's retarded or 2) he actually barely cares about non-endgame gear, since his build is OP and level-appropriate sword+armor let him oneshot overlevelled bosses. Probably a bit of both, since he's in permadeath mode and not buying the best gear he can afford is almost indefensible. Ditto for Ruche, he invested millions into having a pocket DPS/luckbot and then never gave her anything other than new weapons. Understandable if 'Game starts at level 120' and only noobs die in the campaign/tutorial... if he had respawn on, and wasn't constantly running into weird mutated worst-case-scenario mobs and hostile PCs.
>>289340690welcome to asian MMOs
>>289340636I wonder if we'll ever get to see Ruche's backstory/family. They'll be great if they're where she gets her faces from.>wonder what vicious crimes your daughter has resorted to being able to send back so much gold>when you meet her again, she's somehow over level 100>try to intimidate her boyfriend, he's also over level 100>also the count's son>you've been invited to dine with an entirely different count>not even that guy's dad, but instead the scariest motherfucker you've ever metThere is so much opportunity here I am proactively disappointing myself with scenarios we'll likely never get to see.
>>289340902He doesn't waste money buying each new thing of armor, since he always has his eyes on very specific gear. He only bothers getting better gear if they need it to grind the next spot better.
>>289341006Isn't she from a family of random villagers in the boonies?
>>289317507>clussy has the hots for the MCDamn. I want a boyfriendless girl.
>>289341006She's a clownthat's where the faces come from
>>289341041>Adopt a girl to be your sidekick>Give her the best stats, gear, builds, everything>She can't comprehend half the shit you're doing and how you're making billions of dollars a day, or how you know the strengths and weaknesses of every monster>Turn her OP as shit, like she's your new pet hobby>Within about a month she goes from being an F rank adventurer to an A rank No shit she fell for him.
>>289341006>Both parents are lovable retards>They both have lady luck>They both have ridiculous main and tertiary skill trees>They dumped the few points they did get from leveling into lady luck>Effectively soft locked themselves into a position where they can't level because their actual fighting skill trees have 0 points invested>Have Luce, she inherits lady luck>Get rich anyway because they lucked their way into Luce being born and meeting Elymas
>>289341006there's been 0 romance so far and chances of future romance are bleak
>>289341006>her 15 siblings all climb out of a comically small horse drawn carriage
>>289341027But it's not a waste, since he isn't in an MMO, if he fails a mission due to being undergeared he's dead. (and the missions keep getting messed with in unpredictable ways, so it's not even like 'EZ game') He's actually just a bit retarded, on top of having encyclopedic knowledge of theoretical charop.
>>289341176There doesn't need to be romance nor does Elma really need to know, clussy just needs to get him to sign the marriage documents. Then she just needs to act like they were dating all along.>we were dating right, we had all those fancy dinners together!>your father told me to take care of you!>we live together and share finances!
>>289341227It both is and isn't an MMOSure you die if you die for real, but it has all the same rules as the MMO he played every day back home, and he knows all the tips, tricks, and monster patterns. He's knows the strategies for grinding up quickly and getting the gear he needs by the time he's high level. He knows exactly what he's aiming for the entire time and how to get it.The only thing that ever throws off his plans are stray Dreamlord boss fights that he's underleveled and underprepared for.
>>289341287Unfortunately other people are aiming for him to marry their daughters now
>>289341176They did a little ship-teasing with Ruche trying on dresses, and Snow Howlrodde seems to have a thing for Elymas too. Plus there's the hunter/healer B-ship. It's there if you're looking for it. But Elymas' true love will always be minmaxing.
>>289341331For the first wandering Dreamlord, sure, but once there's a pattern (and he quickly picks up on it) he should be going much more defensive 'this is not the game I know'. And honestly the game doesn't seem to have appropriate anti-gold-farming tech, they're making gold much faster now but going slow and grinding mats in safe but minmaxed ways to make sure their gear is always level appropriate seems prudent. But he's still following a levelling strat that is optimal for an immortal.
>>289340785>>289340469He loses his greatest strength if he heals his HP during battle. For him he constantly has to fight at 20% or 10% HP in order to have proper damageHis greatest asset would just be armor that scales the defensive power based on how low his HP is, so he can survive better at low HP. He needs to always stay sub 20% HP to use emnity.
>>289328839ffxi. Ah, the joy of gearswapping.
>>289341428He'd still be at sub 20% HP. Read it again.
I like to imagine the word clown is a slur in that world.
>>289340469I changed my mind, it's 100% going to be a helmet.
>>289341612Her dad's a clown so she can say it.
>>289341376there's been small one-sided teases but MC has been deadpan or ignorant to most if not all of it, the hunter/healer thing is also a big stretch. maybe in another 200 chapters, but not now
>>289341176>forgetting thisOne-sided romance is still romance, dammit.
>>289341633kek
I wonder if his build is complete... Assuming you just need Oath of Heavy Armor and Smoldering Fang of Madness, you're pretty much done once you hit level 200 since you'll be able to max out both. This armor set and helmet keep popping up at every mention of "Heavy Knight" so I'm guessing it's going to be what makes HK a complete class. Seeing as how it's called Smoldering Fang of Madness, he's most likely opting for a berserker build? One that keeps you from going below 1 HP while you're below 20% HP allowing you to completely ignore attacks while being able to deal insane damage.Even the skill description fits.>Smoldering Fang of Madness〉it allows the acquisition of the [Smoldering Fang of Madness] Skill Tree. The user of this Skill Tree hasn’t been approached. Even the Grim Reaper will not approach the one whose rampage keeps dragging their broken body forward, keeps moving their torn tail, knowing no end. You can't be killed unless you're at 20% HP so then even if the opponent figures that out, they still have to be able to deal 20% of your HP with one ability.
>>289341428a skill that lifesteals could be very good situationally, if your big no-defense-spared hit heals you back to full you could open a fight with it against multiple opponents where going in at 20% would be suicidal, and still have your life shield to boot. Also enables indefinitely trading blows with some giant boss with absurd hp who chunks you for 95% health with every hit (but not one who hits for 79%).
>>289342180He's a guy that always wants to fight at 20%He doesn't want to take ten minutes managing HP so he takes a bunch of scuff damage to reach the right amount so he can finally use his actually good techThen healThen start all over taking ten minutes managing HP so he hits the right amount again. His abilities are limited to only be good when he's below a certain margin. During fights he controls the battle so he only takes certain hits and dodges other hits, avoids poison/burns, so that he can control how much HP he loses so he always reaches just about 20% before the battle really starts. He says his greatest skill is mostly HP management. He can calculate all the attacks and damage amounts coming his way. Which is why when he fought that one archer, he pointed out he took all the regular attacks and avoided all the attacks that came with poison, because he uses the enemy to reach the HP value he needs.
>>289342128I don't think he's even used all his current abilities yet. I think he said he had at least one more ability that could only be unlocked if the conditions were right when they fought the Anax. If conditions reached the worst outcome he believed if the rest of the party ran away and he stayed behind as the rear guard he might be able to use that ability.
>>289342312I meant build as in only using two skill trees.
>>289342128That's already baked in, one of his abilties gives him the Frenzy debuff but the core Heavy Knight skill tree grants immunity to frenzy at fairly low level.And yeah the Deathless Frenzy thing would fit, a 1-HP Resolve effect wouldn't be that strong unless he combines it with a weak lifesteal though, and he needs to be careful not to lifesteal himself above 20%. >20% with one abilityWouldn't be very good, there's lots of big hits available (especially from bosses) and one of the core Smoldering Fang skills drops the user's defense to zero. A non-HK smoldering fang user would be a vanilla berserker, and with the game seemingly lacking taunts that seems like a bad build, since aggro is mostly damage based you'll pull the boss and die. Either needs an aggro dump like the hunter class gets, or some way to survive at least temporarily despite having zero defense, not dependent on the base class. A deathless frenzy would fit that niche but I don't see how it combos with the HK skillset to get OP.
He honestly could have won against Anax in two hits if his party was a little better at handling it without him holding it down the entire time>Flumia strike>Get back for a bit and chug mana potion>Flumia strikeBut that requires the others to actually hold it down for 30 seconds without him.
>>289342246My point is that lifesteal is a HP management ability (especially when it's an active ability, not always on passively) and you can't always afford to be at 19% hp, especially against multiple opponents. But if you know the boss hits for 90%, you can deathrage & lifesteal back to full, get hit, then repeat.>>289341428>>289341458Yeah, damage shield mechanics are the HP threshold's friend. Some kind of vampiric shield ability would be repugnantly OP. Defense zero still hurts though, he's got life shield and parry to mitigate it but I imagine his build solves it entirely at some point.
So what's the next OP build the MC will have to fight? So far it's been poison/regen, poison/agi/dodge.
>>289342909Likely going back to the sword master family feud.Showing why they are a top tier house.>dies protecting him>cue sad scenes
>>289343048Remind me again on Sword Master's skills? From what I remember they are an all out class but also cowardly?
>>289341639He seemed a bit stunned when he saw her in that dress for the first time.
>>289343254They can teleport behind you and cut you really fast.>that's it?Do you really need more?
>>289330622>The only things Heavy Knight beats other tanks in is taking a hitThat's what pure tanking is. When he was fighting alongside Snow and Isabella (a Holy Knight, which is a decently tanky class) against a Dreamlord, Isabella said that she could buy one minute for the rest to escape but Elymas said he could easily last 5. So he is at least 5 times as tough compared to another defensive class.Also Shadow Stomp disrupts the movements and balance of the enemy, making their attacks easier to dodge. There are even cases where he uses it to trip enemies over from a distance. Shield bash also lets him crowd control, especially in fights with multiple enemies.
>>289343254Very high attack, high speed, high hp, low defence and mediocre magic. 2 skills have been shown so far, one lets them attack very fast for a very short period of time, but leaves an opening after it ends, and another is a parrying skill that costs MP but is supposedly superior to Elymas' basic Parry.
>>289343368sure but that was literally it, you really want to tell me that qualifies as romance? the LN might hint better one way or the other but it doesn't look like anyone read it
>>289341227It's entirely possible he just wasn't able to find better armor for her since she has a relatively unpopular class and he had to go and get his own armor crafted due to the relatively slim pickings he could find at shops.
>>289342128He'd need a skill that lets him survive one fatal blow per x amount of hours to truly be complete and I bet he'll have one eventually eithet via skills or gear.
>>289339890Not only just its villain, the thief arc was all around ass.
>>289343443I'd say that's an experience gap. Isabella doesn't have intimate knowledge of boss patterns to work with.
>>289342909Hints are in page>>289295688
>>289295554>Even Malice is just a yandere.Where is that first revealed?
>>289344962Final skill for his class is probably ten seconds of invulnerability with 1 minute cool down.
>Ruche's luck is so absurdly strong that it lets her beat someone who's literally cheating just by playing normally>In other words, her luck is powerful enough that it can warp reality around herHow much of the story is everyone dancing on Ruche's puppet strings? Strings she doesn't even know exist?Elymas runs into a girl with the exact perfect build just as she's getting kicked out of the party, and she just happens to have perfect stat allocation? Wrong. It's the other way around.Ruche's luck makes sure that she ends up with idiots who unwittingly give her the perfect build, then sets up events so she can ditch them and upgrade to a power gamer mentor/husbando once she's through with them. The world doesn't revolve around Elymas. The world revolves around Ruche. And once her luck skill maxes out, that shit's probably not gonna be constrained by linear time.Ruche is probably the reason why Elymas reincarnated in the first place.
>>289348769Pretty sure every time some rare monster shows up that the party is barely strong enough to beat without casualties is also her fault.
>>289348905You want chill grinding with good root? fuck yu, have wandering boss almost killing you (drops 26googillion zenny worth of skillbooks and crystals)
>>289348905100%. Hell, considering that Elymas and Ruche are the main ones interfering with the cult and the cultist here >>289295688 blames the gods specifically for the failure of "the prophecies," I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Ruche is an incarnated diety. She has the Lady Luck skill because she literally IS Lady Luck.
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>>289340902He bought her an outfit for 34 mill, now the market prices aren't usually the same as the actual going price but it's probably worth more than the blacksteel armour he was using at the same time.
>>289337747>>289338041I forgot the order and length of things in the manga, but will sadistic healer and discount-Shikamaru ranger be included in the second cour?
>>289349339giant ruche... imagine
>>289349755Yes, they should be in it.
>>289342354>And yeah the Deathless Frenzy thing would fit, a 1-HP Resolve effect wouldn't be that strong unless he combines it with a weak lifesteal though, and he needs to be careful not to lifesteal himself above 20%.You might be misunderstanding. I'm saying if he's below 20% HP, he's unkillable. Pretend he has 1K health and a skill that activates at 19% HP. Once hit hits 199 HP (19.9%), his unkillable skill activates. He then takes a 500 HP hit but only drops to 1 HP and lives. He then takes another 500 HP hit and stays at 1 HP. He's essentially immortal as long as he's at 199 HP or below.Is this broken? A bit yeah, but it has it's obvious downsides.Lets say he's at 200 HP (20%), is unkillable skill is NOT active. He eats a 500 hit. He instantly dies. He eats a 200 HP hit, he dies. If his opponent is an actual player who knows how the 20% threshold works, he can HEAL Elymas, remove his unkillable buff then deal a large attack that takes him from 20%+ directly to 0.The vampiric shield ability from that other post would be for a completely different build. He would still want to be at 199 (19%) HP but any damage he causes gets added onto a life shield instead of going directly to his HP, thus healing him and causing him to lose his Dragon Deathgaze buff.
Anyone have the chapters on his latest build? I'm guessing he's still missing some key items to complete the class. The poison build from the first human boss needed some OP items to fully flesh it out.
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>>289349755Final bit of the second cour should be the raid they debut in and team up with the MC and clussy
>>289350699Should be when he got his most recent armor crafted
>>289350871Found it, doesn't seem to be game breaking with synergies yet, just a crapload of DEF
>>289350971So much defense he actually got to use that old skill he used to be able to use with early game enemies against high level enemies. It's funny how it just became relevant again for trash mobs.
Im surprised there are actual MMOs that have classes like the Heavy Knight, in which they are all defense, but there isn't a aggro calculator for them to avoid saving a mage from DPSing a giant rape dragon that squashed them the moment the ice spell hits.
>>289351151Pretty sure that's why it's considered a trash class in the magic world, even the MC had to do stuff like throw items that were the mob's weak element which he only knew from the game. I would imagine stuff like this isn't very well documented or kept within the noble clans. It doesn't help the clown keeps pulling evolved classes on them that no one has seen before.
>>289351259It's funny how the MC even outright makes up a name for that giant evolved mantis monster to make everyone think he knows about it when it was really his first time seeing it.
>>289349288All hail our goddess of mercy!
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>>289350699>>289350760Absolutely hilarious build that turns you into an hp and mp engine.
