>>289276839
Shown to not be the case anon

>>289276839
Not canon.

>>289276839
Canon

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386 showed us the biggest twist OP, and that is that some potatoes (like flies to honey) cannot stay away from a good mind breaking.

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>>289276839
>caring about Mori Berserk
kek

I still can't believe we used to joke, many years ago, that Miura was going to die before Berserk was done and that's exactly what happened.

Now, even if they end it the way he wanted, to most people it'll always feel like the story will never truly have an ending.

>>289276839
>Berserk
>big surprise
Berserk and One Piece fans are delusional. It's been too many years at this point.

>>289277837
It stopped being a joke after the boat meme ended. You could clearly see the pace was non viable at that point.

>>289277837
>Now, even if they end it the way he wanted, to most people it'll always feel like the story will never truly have an ending.
Its the pacing thats off.
Miura has been taking his sweet time for years,
Mori's style is shooting shocking twists/reveals in back-to-back chapters.
Its a complete 180 and doesn't feel like Miura even if these are his ideas.

>>289277837
Miura was never going to finish berserk.

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>>289276839
Nah the plot twist in Berserk will be Mori adapting the ending of Kamen Rider Black all because Idea of Evil looks exactly like the Creation King. Also the protagonist Kamen Rider Black has a black motif and the villain Shadow Moon has a silver motif. Kinda like Guts and Griffith. Yeah its dumb but I already have low expectations.

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>>289278075
No its exactly his ideas. Its more likely that Miura shared the biggest plot points to Mori and thats whats hes currently running with. He probably doesnt want to add more fluff with his own ideas thats why it feels like we are jumping from one reveal to the other, which is a good thing.

But I gotta be honest, I dont like this guts awakening thing. Him being a human that can stand against causalitie was enough. Now it seems hes now just a human anymore. Also Casca being taken right after she got her memory back seems like a cop out after we waited for so long for them to reunite.

>>289278161
>Its more likely that Miura shared the biggest plot points to Mori and thats whats hes currently running with
People were saying Miura left a manuscript with notes and the general framework for the rest of the story. That's probably bullshit anyway.

>>289277435
>>289277482
Feels like Studio Gaga is a lot better with side characters like Daiba and Sonia than they are with the main cast

>>289277482
Sex

>>289278938
Gaga is doing great with Daiba and Silat, fairly fine with Griffith and a few others, kinda meh with Guts, poor with the rest of the main group.

>>289279308
The main group not being entirely Puck and Isidro jokes is already better than they've been in years, even if they're weaker than their peak (which we are NEVER getting back).

they should've just given the manga a subtitle past the point where miura died to shut you faggots up
call it berserk: legacy or whatever

>>289278112
And if he did, I doubt anyone would've liked it. Miura had burned out with Berserk 15 years ago.

>>289280591
I already didn't like the sea god and elfheim arcs.

>>289276839
It's a bigger picture ploy which could help us to try to understand and predict, maybe most likely no, whatever miura was planning. And as i said before it implies it's a bigger plan one where even Griffith and the God hand are pieces. Only Guts it's outside casualty which ironically makes him special maybe the end will create true free will a form of truth and the separation of the magical stuff.

>>289278161
Wan't already said in the past that being born from a dead body made him somehow special?

>>289277538
where the fuck did god hand having beef with griffith even come from? they're all equal godlike beings with a common goal

>>289281623
They don't have beef they are just mocking him

>>289281623
They're laughing at him because despite receiving godlike powers, what he actually does with that is similar to a child playing with toy figures.

>>289282390
What can you do with godlike powers that won't feel like playing with toy figures?

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>>289277435
>>289277482
>>289278938
Two very important plot elements are missing. Miura's legacy is tarnished forever.

>>289281955
>>289282390
And what godlike things has Voidcuck done? The skullknight is still around.

>>289282542
void ended skull knight rulership

>>289282598
And Griffith ended the Kushan emperor rulership so what?

>>289282542
>And what godlike things has Voidcuck done?
You mean besides shape and guide the wheel of causality and all of human nature?

Honestly I am sad that we will never get Miuraberk ever again. I read today every nu-berserk chapter and out of curiosity went back to Elfhelm. Holy shit it was literally the soulless vs soul meme. Berserk died with Miura. RIP

>>289282719
the wheel of causality doesn't need guiding

>>289282685
not the same level of feat at all lmao

>>289282455
I'm sorry to say this but anon, she's flat as a board and all that tiddy is just breastplate

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>>289283011
Fools may pretend they aren't there, but even small things can have a big impact on the chain of causality.

What is this trash? The god hand going against Griffith came out of nowhere. Just stop.

>>289283136
I stand corrected

>>289283202
>the Godhand going against Griffith came out of nowhere

You're honestly retarded if you couldn't see this coming. This has been setup since Gaiseric was introduced.

>>289283582
No it wasn't just fuck off.

>>289282434
>make an endless sea of whore and bitches
>make paintings into reality
>unleashed endless plague because I have the power to do so
>use big god brain to uncover secrets of the universe
Just face the facts, Griffith is a fucking loser.

>>289282542
Neither Void nor the rest of the Godhand give a shit about what Gaiseric is doing.

>>289283705
He got one morsel of Cascussy and it destroyed his ambition to be anything more than a home maker.

Why doesn't either Casca or Guts seem to be pissed off about Casca's rape whenever they get to face Femto, it's always "muh hawks" that get all the spotlight in their confrontations.

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>>289277346
in her deepest parts, she loved it

>>289277482
Sonia will suffer a painful death

>>289277538
does this mean the falconia = grand sacrifice theories were wrong, and it's just Griffith larping as the messiah?

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>>289284177
mass murder of your friends is a greater crime than a singular rape

>literally fanfiction

These godhand guys seem like a bunch of losers trying to get revenge at the jocks who bullied them, to be honest

>>289284177
Because murder is worse than rape and Casca's trauma isn't just about being raped, that's just what finally mindbroke her. Her major trauma was watching everyone she struggled to keep alive for a year die brutally while she was helpless to stop it. Also the rape seems to be the most unspeakable moment in Berserk, not because it's the most morally abhorrent but because murder is less taboo in general than sex and rape. The Eclipse rape is shrouded in shame and secrecy for all parties involved, the murders aren't.

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>>289278159
Miura ended in 2021, Berserk endures

>>289277395
>when you tell your gf to stop talking to the guy who raped her

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>>289284192
Funny how, instead of trying to you know... Escape the castle, she goes right to Griffith like a lost puppy. She worshipped him like a God when he was human, and now he IS a God. Think about this, Casca couldn't even look in Guts' direction without going full PTSD, yet here she is staring at Griffith just fine and even enduring the brand in his presence. Casca isn't coming back, it's time for Guts to let her go.

>>289284679
she's is driven to the presence of her son, not Femto

why are you niggas reading fanfiction

>>289276839
My GOAT Griffith will win

>>289277538
Why is the God Hand suddenly opposed to Griffith now? This shit makes zero sense.

>>289284802
This. Some people also seem to have forgotten that after her escape attempt, Casca was put in this weird hypnotised lucid state where she acts more like a doll with little to no emotion. A perfect fake wife for a fake king and his fake kingdom. The godhand are right, this shit is gay and lame

>>289284992
Godhand wants sacrificial cattle for their demon orgies but Griffith wants to continue his hero LARP

>>289284992
Imagine being the antichrist and going through the effort to make a mortal into a god and all he does is turn the world into a shitty fantasy mmo and flaunt around his castle.

>>289285002
Charlotte is the fake queen, tho, Casca is a node that needs to be kept on check so Femto doesn't have his body wandering and putting his material world vessel at risk.

this shit is moving way too fast, I miss the guts boat arc

>>289285125
You’re right. But I still think Griffith has some sort of feeling towards Casca. I mean the whole reason he raped her was to spite Guts. Griffith saw they both had a thing after the Wyald (Wylad?) fight.

>>289285247
Whatever feelings he has for Casca outside of MLB's influence stems from his need to keep her in check like anon says. Pure Griffith cares about Guts' reaction to Casca rather than Casca herself.

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>>289285152
>moving way too fast

>>289285370
this, Femto developing feelings would sound like some redemtion bullshit

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>>289277538
The God Hand's personalities according to Mori

So was idea of evil just retconned out of existence or was it "removed" for being too heckin' spoilery?

Massiv Buildup for the Griffith and Guts against the God-Hand Arc. This time Guts wont make the mistake of betraying griffith in his most desperate moment.

>>289284992
Because the God Hand idea is to continue the idea of evil through the world, meanwhile Griffith has been playing being the hero that the people have been waiting for.

>>289285057
He turned the whole world into a chaotic mess full of suffering, plus it's exactly what was supposed to happen according to the prophecy. Makes no sense for them to be displeased with him, or Femto to be annoyed by them pointing out Falconia is a sham. He knows it's a sham, his ambition is something greater. The idea that he'd just sit in Falconia playing pretend is completely stupid and antithetical to his character, and obviously not the case as he's rapidly growing and developing the place. I think the continuation morons might think his actual goal was always to have a kingdom, and he's done now. Except the big bad godhand or the big bad kushan will attack and make the place fall apart.

>>289285632
The later.

>>289285919
Read the fucking manga ffs before shitting up the thread again with your retarded takes. Griffith's role as a false saviour of humanity is not only his wish, it's a part of a scheme a millenium in the making. The God Hand were all working towards this common goal and them taunting Griffith over doing his job is just another case of fanfiction completely mismangaing the manga lore

Griffith will never truly achieve his goal because no one cares about him for being Griffith and the people who cared he sacrificed.

>>289285586
>become a creature of immense power, a being able to twist existence to some degree
>be trapped in your own dimension with the casual behelit chosen visit
>convince them to join your ways through muh causality
>repeat
I mean, trashtalking is all they can do

>>289286301
>Read the fucking manga ffs before shitting up the thread again with your retarded takes. Griffith's role as a false saviour of humanity is not only his wish, it's a part of a scheme a millenium in the making. The God Hand were all working towards this common goal and them taunting Griffith over doing his job is just another case of fanfiction completely mismangaing the manga lore

There is no indication whatsoever in the manga itself as to what the real plan of the God Hand is; aside from keeping the Idea of Evil going in the world, there is nothing.

>>289276839
>goku vs perfect cell.jaypeg
I can't not see it.

>>289287203
the only way to unironically kill or harm the god hand and the IoE would be a GenkiDama

>>289283582
Then post it

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>>289286564
Exactly

The pace is way too quick now, what are they thinking?

>>289286233
There's honestly less suffering at this point than there was under the Kushan invasion under Ganiska.

>>289278159
>I posted it again!

If they actually redeem Griffith I will set all of my Berserk merchandise on fire

>>289282390
Why are they making fun of him for doing exactly what they wanted him to do though?

>>289287455
>God Hand calling Griffith out for being the pathetic bitch that he is
>Hurr durr they're going to redeem him
This is just another Rickert slap

>>289287455
hope you have your lighter ready

>>289287018
The endgoal is the vague "age of darkness". But the point is that Griffith becoming a king and leading humanity was always part of the plan from the VERY early on. It's stated in the prophecy and it makes sense why Griffith was created this way with the dream of becoming a king. He was shaped for this task. Did you seriously not get all this from reading the manga?

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>>289287484
>God Hand calling Griffith out for being the pathetic bitch that he is
Why would they do this? Do you really think this interaction is pointless and isn't an obvious setup?

>>289287578
It's far more likely to be part of setting up Griffith's downfall, than some redemption arc.

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>>289284992
Griffith on his current trajectory won't leave the other Godhand members room to influence anything. Conrad likes plague but Griffith wants a healthy society, Ubik likes absurdity where Griffith likes order, Slan likes people giving into their base nature while Griffith has a standard of nobility, and Void just can't stand for the millennium empire to flourish considering its destruction was Geiseric's comeuppance for persecuting Void. Griffith's autism is opposed to their natures and influence. They only welcomed Femto to their ranks because it was ordained by the IoE and it's resulted in the groundwork for their own incarnations, which they probably intend to sacrifice all of Falconia to.
Conviction arc was a preview of the final arc.

>>289287412
>The pace is way too quick now, what are they thinking?
If you notice most of the dialogue is just a few sentences.
Mori is only doing a speedrun of the big plot events. He’s not expanding on anything because then he’ll be more likely to fuck up

>>289287578
>Why would they do this?
to get a reaction of him
>Do you really think this interaction is pointless and isn't an obvious setup?
it's an obvious setup, but it's going to live rent free in Griffith's head as intended.

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>>289284578
Sea God's heart was the dry run.

>>289276839
>The Idea of Evil and Yggdrasil are one and the same
No shit anon. The Idea of Tree sequence was not even vaguely subtle.

>>289287592
>setting up Griffith's downfal
Through what? It's setting up that Griffith's goals are ultimately not align with the God Hand's which will ultimately result in a conflict between them

>>289287619
Are you assuming Falconia wasn't supposed to be a save heaven and is only so by Griffith's own wish, who protects them for le ebil God Hand he was totally not in cashoots with all along?
>They only welcomed Femto to their ranks because it was ordained by the IoE
They can't welcome someone willingly. Everyone is ordained. What's even your point?
>Conviction arc was a preview of the final arc
Do you realize that humanity needs to be gathered first before being sacrificed and Griffith is doing exactly that? The God Hand have no reason to be angry at him and wrecking havock inside Falconia would only ruin their plans. Where did you even get the notion they were going to do so, if not for Griffith hindering them? Is this the power of moricuck's schizo headcanon which is essential for enjoying the fanfiction

>>289287969
>It's setting up that Griffith's goals are ultimately not align with the God Hand's which will ultimately result in a conflict between them
One, there's no reason to assume this. It could just be a reminder that Griffith is a little bitch, because so many of you need this reminder. Even if it does result in conflict, why would you assume that this equals Griffith redemption. It could simply be sequential villains, or even the God Hand offering support to Guts.

>>289276839
just how badly do you think Miura regretted showing this so early?

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>>289288016
>It could just be a reminder that Griffith is a little bitch
So the interaction was pointless?
>because so many of you need this reminder
That's not how storytelling works
>Even if it does result in conflict, why would you assume that this equals Griffith redemption
Because assuming the worst is the correct way judging by the continuation so far and the last few chapters particularly

>>289282542
>>289281623
To be fair Griffith is the only godhand member that can do anything directly. They're probably pissed at him because he's ben spinning his wheels instead of hurrying along their agenda

In the new post miura chapter I think the reason the Godhand showed up was to increase Griffiths capacity for evil but also reminding him that he’s not Skull Knight. Skull Knight was true King and Warlord who was so great he got punished by The Godhand or mainly Void. So seeing someone claiming to be great without it meaning anything is probably a joke to Void. Also Griffith is a new fag. The others don’t want to be King. They want to see evil and fun

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how much aura did prime skull knight really had

>>289288218
>That's not how storytelling works
Yeah, authors definitely don't go to lengths to reveal character traits.

>>289288723
Skull Knight did what Griffith didn’t. To someone like Void who’s a old fag this a probably a giant meme.>>289288639

>>289287692
but why does the manga still need to be on constant hiatus without Miura holding it back?

>>289288723
Shield's proportion is off. Kusoge shit art.

>>289289280
>elbows too pointy 2/10 would not bang

>>289288313
This or it's as simple as once you become corrupted and part of the demon crew and become evil, then those who surround you will want you to stay at their level and then torment you. Evil is just the crab bucket. Everyone wants to be the superior one and in order to do so, you must pull down anyone else who tries to do it, while striving for it yourself.
Btw, the crab bucket analogy is for some reason tied in my mind to the most smug person in the room but when it comes to surrounding yourself with corrupt and evil people that is the most apt way of describing this effect. So it sounds onerous in my mind b/c it conjures up that image, but it is still apt.

>>289288723
Damn...it really does suck that prime Miura never drew more of this SK in this armor. Would've been a feast for the eyes and taking place in probably a better looking version of Falconia.

>>289276839
>BBRRRRRAAAAAAAAAPPPPP

No, Shir is the physical manifestation of the Idea. That’s the reveal

So the end game is an alliance of Griffit+Guts vs the godhand? So they are 4, griffit defeats one, guts defeats one, sk defeats one and the group together defeat the other one.

>>289290867
>So the end game is an alliance of Griffit+Guts vs the godhand? So they are 4, griffit defeats one, guts defeats one, sk defeats one and the group together defeat the other one.
I don't know how to feel about this

>>289290867
>So the end game is an alliance of Griffit+Guts vs the godhand?
Seems unlikely.

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>>289290867
Yep.

>>289276839
The big plot twist of Berserk is going to be that the Idea of Evil is itself the being responsible for the thing humans call Causality, or Fate. It is essentially the god of Order. It creates an ordered world through proxies like the Apostles and the God Hand which it recruits using the Behelits it creates and sends into the world at key moments in key places.

There is a reason why Apostles see the Vortex when they transform and return to it when they die, and why the God Hand traverse into the deepest part of the Vortex of Souls to transform. The Idea of Evil is absorbing the souls of humans, their desire, their will. It consumes desire and creates Order because human beings desire an explanation for all things, and it's that desire which allowed causality to exist in the first place.

>>289277538
Griffith being bullied by the rest of the Godhand is so fucking funny

>>289277435
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>>289277499
i want to fuck sonia

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>>289284992
the godhand kinda forgot about why griffith "sacrificed"

>>289284992
They're making fun of him for literally playing house and trying to pretend that he isn't entirely fraudulent. Also what >>289287619 said.

>>289285632
The latter. Flora directly alludes to it, but it's never been made a focus outside of the lost chapter.

>>289293369
>"Do as you will"
>NNNOOOOO N-NOT LIKE THAAAAT

>>289286233
Falconia is literally the manifestation of his dream for a castle and kingdom. You think Griffith's ambitions were aimed higher, but the man has always been a shallow shortsighted little bitch. And no, even if the rest of the world is currently a shithole, we are explicitly told in the chapter itself that Falconia is subjugating other lands and kingdoms to grow its empire - the entire shitty state of the world post-Roar is the definition of controlled opposition. Griffith has made the world worse so when he comes in to "liberate" and "save" it, he looks better by extension. He's bringing order to the chaos he caused.

>>289288070
Badly enough he literally excised it from the main release and said it "limited the world/story".

>>289293388
He's allowed to do as he wills, but that doesn't mean his peers can't laugh at him over it. And despite them giving the same spiel to the Apostles, the Godhand have frequently shown that they're perfectly willing to fuck them over without a care or rig things so any 'choice' they make screws them over even if there's no real benefit to doing so. The idea that they wouldn't extend such pettiness even to one of their own is asinine; these aren't a bunch of best friends united by their love of evil friendship.

>>289282802
no more subtle lolicon stuff

>>289288962
takes time to draw

>>289287566
>hairless

Garbage

>>289277413
>>289293539
I mean look at her here, she's wearing clothes, she'd have been proper naked if this was Miura days

That was a good chapter. I'm actually liking nuBerserk.

Certain moments need big double spreads, and are severely lacking in impact without them. The God Hand reappearing needed one.

I've always been interested in the way Griffith phrased it as wanting a kingdom rather than wanting to be king. A kingdom that worships Griffith after he sacrifices himself would fulfill that.

>>289294076
>he thinks admitting to like eating literal shit will make his opponents mad

>>289294955
There are no "opponents" here. We are all struggling in the current of causality.

>>289294955
This faggot is so obsessed with the continuation that he has to insult everyone on the internet who enjoys it. No one is allowed to like something if he deems they shouldn't.

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>>289290867
this is the endgame

>>289277538
This makes sense. They are EVIL godlike beings. They can do whatever they want, including making fun of the newbie.

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>>289290867
Even if you defeat Void, Slan, Ubik and Conrad there are four other godhand members skulking about and possibly incarnated.
>good job Guts, but what are you going to do about the other Godhand?

>>289277374
>what if Reinhard von Lohengram
>but bad at everything, has zero dignity, and was literally assraped (more than once)
Why do people like this faggot again?

>>289285002
It's almost like these "people" haven't actually read Berserk.

>>289288962
Miura left it in his will to draw out the release schedule as much as possible

>>289293388
Ah, so they can't do as they will, too?

>>289296019
>what about second godhand

>>289296019
what even happened to the other ones
were Godhand members already being killed?

>>289296633
SK likely nuked them.

>>289296743
with his paltry power level?

>>289287692
It's probably for the best. If he tries to elaborate too much on Miura's notes he could end up screwing up a plot beat or contaminating the characters with his own interpretation of them. Besides, it's about time for the story to wrap up, now that they've all been healed at elf island. The world has been fully explroed and adventured, all that remains is the final confrontation with Griffith

>>289296633
we'll never know

>>289295519
No one who's actually enjoying something would say something so simplistic as "I like it" This statement by itself holds zero meaning or value to the discussion. You are just a bitter faggot, who believes pretending to enjoy slop will make someone mad, but you are overestimating the worth of your goycattle shit taste

>>289296856
>he could end up screwing up
He already did several times. Irreparably so
>it's about time for the story to wrap up
He said it will take 10 more years of fanfiction dripfeeding. In reality it would take even more. If they really had actual Miura's plans on their hands they could have just share it in a more appropriate format, if they can't make a proper manga, but they don't as was proven but countless contradictions to the actual manga. They are lying grifters leeching off Miura's work while staining it's legacy

>>289297656
>but countless contradictions to the actual manga
name 5

>>289297656
They should have just published a book with Miura's notes and some art, 10 years of this and i will see berserk ending when i'm almost 50.

>>289297704
1. Guts is now the chosen one half-fairy king superhuman instead of regular human winning against impossible odds due to perseverance and the human spirit
2. Rickert and Silatt were supposed to go to the Baakiraka mountain fortress, but such a place has not even been mentioned and Silatt is now the new emperor of Kushan with no explanation
3. Caska was cured of her retardedness, yet now she acts like a potato again with no explanation
4. The God Hand are antagonistic toward Griffith for no reason
5. In the magic clam Guts met Flora, who is DEAD

>>289297549
You're going to be in every thread for something you don't like for the next decade so who's the bitter faggot?

>>289298138
>1&2
That's correct. I will add that Kushan perfectly withstanding the world merge is a major retcon by itself as it was clearly established Falconia is the only safe space for humans and has many reasons to be so like the demon army under the God Hand member protecting it and the monsters repelling crystals. The Kushan capital could barely handle a few trolls
>yet now she acts like a potato
That might be an effect of being drugged up. What doesn't make sense is how she was able to free roam the castle in this state and Griffith lashing out at her which is completely uncharacteristic of him
>The God Hand are antagonistic toward Griffith for no reason
Yes
>In the magic clam Guts met Flora, who is DEAD
Flora isn't fully dead, she's turned into daemon, but her coming to Guts inside the stupa doesn't make any sense as they barely had any relationship. Even Danan coming would have more sense. But what would make actual sense is Guts self-reflecting alone (maybe in the form of confronting the Beast of Darkness) in the place that is supposed to be isolated instead of someone else coming to tell him how he's a chosen shonen hero and thus solving his made up inner "problem" in the cheapest way possible, while ruining the core idea of his character

>>289298138
>Guts is now the chosen one half-fairy king superhuman instead of regular human winning against impossible odds due to perseverance and the human spirit
You didn't read the new chapters. He's still a pureblooded human. The only reason he's special is because he wasn't born until after his mother died, so part of his soul is stuck in the astral realm. That's it.
>I will add that Kushan perfectly withstanding the world merge is a major retcon by itself
Kushan has mystic knowledge far surpassing that of any other kingdom except the elf kingdom you retard, how could you have read the manga and forgotten this?
>it was clearly established Falconia is the only safe space for humans
You dumb motherfucker, Rickert was already proving that it was possible to survive outside Falconia before Miura died. You didn't read the manga.
>Rickert and Silatt were supposed to go to the Baakiraka mountain fortress, but such a place has not even been mentioned and Silatt is now the new emperor of Kushan with no explanation
Their adventure wasn't important to the story, so it was off-screened.
>Caska was cured of her retardedness, yet now she acts like a potato again with no explanation
You didn't read the manga. Fake-ass bitch.
>The God Hand are antagonistic toward Griffith for no reason
WOW EVIL PEOPLE ARE EVIL!!!!????
>In the magic clam Guts met Flora, who is DEAD
WOW MAGIC IS MAGIC???!!!??!
You're fucking retarded, fuck off

>>289298546
>>289298602
You guys disagree on stuff, argue for my amusement you monkeys!

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>>289293403
Pic related

>>289298602
people that hate nuserk hate it on a knee-jerk, two digit-IQ incured reaction, their arugments never hold up to scrutiny

>>289282719
All he does is go
>naruhodou causality do be like dat
He's a redditor pretending to be profound.

Anyone who thinks the original ending was Guts killing the bad guys with the Dragonslayer and everyone gets a good end didn't read the manga.

Griffith was always going to enter into conflict with the Godhand.

>>289286710
>their greatest counter is an angry autist that calls them slurs every time they try to corrupt him

>Griffith arranges it so that Guts killing him somehow takes out the Godhand and frees humanity
>Guts realizes it too late and screams "GRIFFITH!!!!!"

there I just spoiled the ending for you

>>289278075
It's clearly not Miura's ideas, given that Mori is literally ignoring or is too stupid to grasp the enormous amount of foreshadowing and themes that Miura put into the manga. A lot of what we get is just literally wrong.
Granted, I obviously don't know what story Miura had planned, but there are plot threads that are pretty obvious that Mori has either ignored or gotten wrong.

>>289300483
I don't see anything that miura wouldn't do
the pacing is off, sure. But I don't think the plot is wrong

>>289278159
Wait, it's been five years already? I thought it was 2023.

>>289300529
That just means you're a retard.

>>289283705
You are literally an edgy 12 year old.

>>289298602
>He's still a pureblooded human
The fanfiction would disagree with you. He's a "being of the interstice" and that somehow supposed to make him an equal to an incarnated God Hand
>The only reason he's special is because he wasn't born until after his mother died
Yes and that is completely retarded and a major retcon. It didn't play any role despite how important it is
>so part of his soul is stuck in the astral realm
Put your head out of your ass and read the manga for once, headcanon nigger. Missing a part of his soul is big deal, everyone would notice this. We saw Guts soul several times and it's normal (while not being possesed by the armor, before you say something retarded again)
>Kushan has mystic knowledge
Most of Kushan magic depended on one guy who's dead. And it wasn't widespread thing at all for the whole empire to use
>how could you have read the manga and forgotten this?
How could you have read the manga and forgotten that Falconia is the only place people can be safe in? It's takling in refugees from the whole world Kushan included. Kushan is a massive empire that would collapse even without astral creatures fucking them up due to the sheer power vacuum Ganishka has left. And how were they supposed to defend from dragons, giants and alike when they could barely even handle a few fucking trolls?
>Rickert was already proving that it was possible to survive outside Falconia
By fleeing to Falconia, retarded mongrel? It's possible to survive for something like a fortified Bakiraka village hidden in the mountains, where every inhabitant is an elite warrior. And that village was retconned into the whole country leaving relatively peacefully until 4 trolls appeared
>WOW EVIL PEOPLE ARE EVIL
Evil doesn't equal kindergarten-tier bullies. Villains actions also require some logic and motivation behind them, if we are not talking about a toddler-tier writing (we are)
>You're fucking retarded
If he's retarded, then you are anencephalic

>>289294955
Clearly he was right on the money.

>>289289907
Stfu u skillet tranny

>>289302064
>Villains actions also require some logic and motivation behind them
What logic and motivation guides any of the Godhand's actions? Go on, I'm waiting.

>>289297656
It's completely insane that you've been told over and over that if Miura was still around we'd be getting assraped with Star Wars references and Puck gags for the rest of time, but you still insist in acting like Mori is somehow "ruining" a legacy that Miura himself had already demolished over a time period longer than anyone on this board has been alive for.

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>>289298546
>What doesn't make sense is how she was able to free roam the castle
she's very slippery and retained a lot of her senses and balance and strength from Golden Age. Remember when she slipped out of her rope harness during Conviction? She's always escaping her hooker friends too. Her attendants in Falconia are always exasperated, she's probably just too much for them to handle.

>>289298742
its just skullknight dot net fags that flood every part of the internet to spread their retarded hate.

>>289300570
Soon it will be 50 years and you'll be on your deathbed.

>>289298546
>solving his made up inner "problem" in the cheapest way possible
dog how many times do we have to go over this
miura is dead
dead dude
we are lucky to be getting anything at all and you need to read this as sort of a wikipedia plot summary, there's going to be a lot less appropriate dialogue and a lot less star wars and loli witch upskirts
just read these chapters for the hard facts and revelations, this is the first we've seen of the Godhand since the fucking Eclipse, it turns out they aren't interested in Falconia and think Griffith is a bit of a pussy retard for acting the Hero. It turns out all of this ISN'T part of their big plan and Griffith is disappointing them. These are huge fucking developments and you're arguing about the minutiae of them

>>289304232
>Wait a minute, is that... a gag? A small background reference that has no influence on the story whatsoever? And you are saying it's been happening since chapter one? Holy shit, the manga is fucking RUINED. How can I seriously enjoy something that has fucking jokes in it? Now I'm gonna ignore all the good parts that made this manga a cult classic and instead praise it's continuation which is written and composed so terribly it might have been a middle schooler's fanfiction. But at least there's no fucking JOKES in it

John Berserk kills this shit with one punch.

>>289305245
>she slipped out of her rope harness during Conviction
That was the potato Casca. This is the drugged up Casca. Anyway that's completely unimportant and the least of the chapter's problems

>>289305326
>this is the first we've seen of the Godhand since the fucking Eclipse
Retarded speedreading faggot.

>>289305432
These people hate humor and lolis and want to speedrun the entire manga just to say we did it

>>289295519
>Let people enjoy things!
No

>>289304232
You're completely retarded for not seeing how much worse every single nu-berserk chapter is compared to even the worst chapter Miura ever made

>>289284177
Casca’s been retarded the whole time not a lot of opportunity to intelligently confront him

>>289305596
just stop retard, you're embarassing yourself
please stop shitposting in berserk threads, you will disturb the dead

>>289305326
>we are lucky to be getting anything
No, we aren't lucky at all. The ones who want a decent story I mean
>you need to read this as sort of a wikipedia plot summary
>just read these chapters for the hard facts and revelation
The problem is even the bulletpoints are total bullshit. It's not about nitpicking details. It's the stuff like Guts being the chosen one special boy all along. Pretty big stuff that would retroactively ruin the manga, if taken as the canon continuation
>this is the first we've seen of the Godhand since the fucking Eclipse
Not true at all
>it turns out they aren't interested in Falconia
They should. It's their means to an end. And they all have worked together for this
>Griffith is a bit of a pussy retard for acting the Hero
That's his prophesied role. They have no reason to scorn him for that and they never acted this petty
>It turns out all of this ISN'T part of their big plan
Which is a pretty huge retcon, because that being the part of the plan was established long ago

>>289305916
>someone points out what you are saying is factually wrong
>just stop retard, you're embarassing yourself

>you will disturb the dead
The only dead who's disturbed is Miura rolling in his grave from this abomination of a fanfiction

>>289294955
>art is good
>stuff is happening
>plot is progressing
>characters are growing and interacting with each other in interesting ways
>story is still on the same track as it always was
good chapter

>>289306136
>No, we aren't lucky at all. The ones who want a decent story I mean
NTA but we are lucky to be getting something. as for the decent story bit I dont know what you or the sk fags want exactly. Miuras dead. all that is left is what mori, his best friend, knows from conversations over the years. he stated at the very beginning he wasnt going to make stuff up to pad out time and that he would only put forward stuff he recalls. If you want a fleshed out proper berserk story read chapters 1 - 364 and quit yer bitchin

>2026
>Casca is retarded AGAIN

>>289305916
the godhand have appeared though since then., though i think the way you mean is them all being together and not seperated like slan and conrad being separately shown in conviction. slan in millenium. and all godhand in their own dimensions at the end of millenium.

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>>289306276
>art is good
>stuff is happening
>plot is progressing
>characters are growing and interacting with each other in interesting ways
>story is still on the same track as it always was
>good chapter

>>289307079
>the art is bad!
show me the bad art. then draw it yourself but better and post it.
>stuff isn't happening and the plot isn't progressing!
how isn't it? If anything, the pacing has picked up tremendously.
>the characters are not growing nor interacting with each other!
Griffith's development here and his interactions with the other Godhand and Casca? In what way isn't that character development and interaction?
>the story is too different!
It has slightly different art and sped up plot, but it's still Berserk. Guts/Griffith, Casca, Godhand, causality, etc., all the things that make Berserk itself is the same; it's Berserk.

>>289277201
yea

>>289305432
>>289305621
>t. the sort of retarded troglodytes who wanted us to still be stuck on a boat for 20 more fucking years

>>289305746
Okay, then go back to reading the shit Miura made and forget these threads exist. People will discuss recent chapters and you'll have to either accept that, or fuck off and keep living in your delusion reality where Miura is around to shit down your throat with infinite Puck gags, lolishit, and epic references.

>>289312500
People don't like Nu-serk and you will have to either accept that or fuck off and keep living in your delusional reality where this is Berserk.

>>289312930
The only true metric for whether people like it or not is how badly the post-Miura volumes have sold.

>>289301242
He literally just described what the rest of the Godhand are doing.

>>289287428
In Midland specifically, sure. Everywhere else got fucked though.

>>289314900
People will buy anything, half of "Berserk fans" let their muh deluxe editions collect dust after they watched the 97 anime once.

>>289296633
Either Skull Knight killed them or there's some kind of Godhand cycle where they get replaced.

>>289298546
>The Kushan capital could barely handle a few trolls
I feel like there's a pretty big difference between having to defend against monsters attacking from outside the city and monsters suddenly manifesting inside of it. (Sure monsters probably appeared inside it when the worlds merged, but that was a one time thing)

>>289312930
>People don't like Nu-serk
Samefags do not count as people.

Redpill me on Falconia

How was Griffith 'resurrected' at the end of Conviction arc? Is he still Griffith or a camouflage?

How did Griffith trigger the Great Wave of the Astral World and create his doll house?

>>289315350
Magic, son

>>289298138
>Silatt is now the new emperor of Kushan
speedreader

>>289315404
This, the emperor of Kushan is actually King Nasubi

>>289315350
Reverse eclipse. It was possible because Guts and Casca (marked people) appeared in Albion triggering the whole thing.
The reason why it happened is because the egg apostle wanted it to happen. That was his desire. He had nothing which is why he sacrificed his world (including himself) for a new better world.
All the events in that arc are deeply connected and everything plays an important role.

He's Femto/Griffith + Guts and Casca's child that still influences him.

>>289315679
>The reason why it happened is because the egg apostle wanted it to happen. That was his desire. He had nothing which is why he sacrificed his world (including himself) for a new better world.

The egg apostle wanted to revive Griffith?

Wave of the Astral World
It's like with the reverse eclipse. Everything was leading to this moment. To challenge the God Hand Ganishka created an artificial apostle factory - apostles have connection to the deepest layers of the astral world. This is how he created all those monster soldiers - they were children infused with demonic energy.
Later on after losing to Griffith he himself entered the chamber artificially trying to become as powerful as the God Hand. His consciousness got lost in the sea of souls he consumed.
Femto put him out of his misery. Skull Knight then attacked Femto with his behelit sword that could cut through dimensions. Femto essentially caught this cut and used it to open Ganishka releasing all the energy he consumed, which broke the barriers between physical and astral world.

>>289315719
>To challenge the God Hand Ganishka created an artificial apostle factory - apostles have connection to the deepest layers of the astral world

Did he have any chance of winning?

>>289315698
Yes. Berserk is all about causality and fate. Griffith wants to be a king, humanity wants a messiah that will save them, a literal nobody who hates everything becomes an apostle who desires a new better world. He sacrifices himself and the world he knows for a messiah that will fulfill this desire.

>>289315746
No. Skull Knight basically explained that the God Hand can't be killed normally.

There's this idea of temporal junction points. The monumental events that shape history of humanity - eclipse, reverse eclipse, merging of worlds.
All threads of fate lead to these moments, they are essentially preordained. These are the only times when an outsider can influence the outcome as even the smallest change will completely change history. This is why Skull Knight attacks the God Hand during such moments. It's the only time when they are vulnerable.

>>289315854
Has SK killed a God Hand before? What happens after that?

>>289315860
We will never know. There were other God Hand in the past. Void was the last of the old cycle and first of the new one.

>>289315746
Apostles naturally follow the Godhand through causality, not literal mind control.
But because of this apostles will basically always act in accordance to their will. No matter what, they'll find a way to rationalize or explain why it makes sense why their actions are guided by their own will or by random circumstance.
Like for example Rakshas, who saw Griffith's face and thought
>wow how beautiful! i'm going to kill him and steal his face to make a mask out of it, but not yet! I just have to serve him to get closer until the perfect opportunity presents itself
Of course that opportunity never came
Even when Ganishka had lost his mind and grown into a giant mega-apostle demon monster, seeing Griffith/Femto in his last moments made him realize how much Griffith was the light in the darkness he had always been searching for his entire life; he would have ended up serving him then too (which he basically did by ending up turning into the tree after getting his head sliced open).

>>289315944
There is no proof of a former cycle as there is no proof the other godhand members are even dead. If they 'cycled out' then SK would probably have mentioned the lifespans of the active Godhand members.

>>289316053
They are not around. I'm sure they're dead - either killed by the Skull Knight or maybe dying in some kind of apocalyptic event is part of the deal.
There's no reason to assumme otherwise.

>>289316078
Skull Knight has spent nearly 1,000 years trying to figure out how to kill a Godhand and his prototype, the sword of actuation, only helped Femto when he used it on him. I don't think we can attribute any Godhand deaths to SK or anyone, because no one would have gotten even as far as SK.
If they were 'cycled out' then there would always be a full roster of 5 and something would happen to the eldest during the newbie's Eclipse, which didn't happen with Griffith.
So either the IoE made 8 Godhand members which he cut down to 4 in the years leading to Femto's ascension or it just has 9 Godhand members now and only Void is in on the joke since he has 12 fingers.

>>289316209
I figure the four old Godhand members died not long after the image we saw them in, then it built back up to five.

>>289316209
Clearly Femto is the (current) fifth, it's literally his name. The fact they all stand on a giant hand with five fingers makes me think there's probably usually five of them.
My personal guess is that the Godhand members exist to "do what they will" - assuming that, at some point, they achieve their desires and, through that, after changing the world to be closer to God's design, they just dissolve away since they no longer have any purpose.

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>>289316299
Consider that the Godhand only used that projection of a five-digit hand to obfuscate Griffith's role. He thought he was a special boy who completed them. In actuality he hasn't even been inducted into their secrets, he's a probationary member like a 'blue lodge member' in freemasonry. The inner workings of the organization are withheld. Femto doesn't even know about the hidden hand... but Guts does.

>>289316532
Stupid. The Godhand literally just exist to further along causality by being given supreme spiritual power. They exist to do whatever they feel like doing because whatever that is, is whatever God wants.
They're not some Illuminati creating a bunch of fake symbolism so that... Griffith doesn't know about 4/9 of the members, but knowing about the other four besides himself is fine? That God's HAND has nine fingers for some reason?
God this serious attracts some absolutely dense folk, like the
>sacrifice isn't complete yet until Guts and Casca die, femto isn't a TRUE godhand yet
idiots

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>>289316598
Griffith making concessions and exceptions is why they're busting his balls and haven't invited him to the real godhand meetings.

>>289316705
>Godhand has two separate meetings, one with five guys and the other with eight
What do they discuss in the eight-finger meetings that doesn't come up in the five-finger ones
Why don't the other four want to participate in the pleb meetings? Just too cool?

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>>289316791
Just imagine 8 godhand only concerned with their hyperfixations and fetishes while seething about Femto who is the only one who has ambitions instead of just seeing their personal interest realized in the world.
The four godhands Griffith doesn't know about all want things that are blatantly illegal in Falconia and they don't want him to get a whiff of them working against him until the 8 blow up Griffith's stupid dream castle.

>>289315860
Probably not