Cammybros it can't be over, right???
Hunter x hunter sex with machi
>>289280059We still haven't seen her GSB in action. It should be able to manipulate someone from Ben's guards. There's still hope Cammybros.
>>289280045He was like a month old and had no idea what radiation was nor did he have an education on advanced human poisons. Since Meruem was at a level he could control photons, he probably could suck all the rose protons or poison out if his body. But he just didn't know shit about that stuff If he had spent his time studying the rose bomb instead of playing chess, he could have saved himself and the RG
dump doko?
>>289280059Cammy's nen beast will do something trust the plan
>>289280452I dont think we have english scans
Since we haven't had incest yet, unfortunately the most likely outcome is that Benjamin/Camilla was a thing
>>289280976>Since we haven't had incest yet
>>289280399>a month old>knows about photons>but not other particles, that's insane talkBullshit.
>>289280059Strong possibility she outlives ben but she aint making it out of this arc alive for sure
benj getting betrayed left and right
>>289280059Why did everyone get so offended last thread when I rightfully pointed out that the concept of the dark continent is obviously taken from toriko? It's not even the first time that togashi has copied elements from a shittty manga, so why this specific example makes hunter f/a/gs so emotional?
If not for Rihan, he would've won the succession war.
togashi should killtubeppaluzurustysonmarayamthis batch
Total clown supremacy btw
togashi should killhimselfthis batch
>>289281584I didn't read those posts but the concept of a "dark continent" seems really vague. Please summarize your points on why you think it's a copied idea instead of it being two authors using a common world building element>>289281680Next week, he changes the world.>>289281703>marayamLeave him alone! Or else Bisky and Hanzo will fuck you up
>>289281703>marayamLmao. He has one of the most broken nen beasts. Not to mention Bisky as a bodyguard.
DEPLOY RIHAN
so benjamin is 100% dead even if he didn't get poisoned?
>>289281745Do not feed the toriko shill.
>>289281703Delusional take
Boo!
>>289281584https://www.thoughtco.com/why-africa-called-the-dark-continent-43310
>>289281104Royal incest
>>289281843togashi is racist?!?!?!
>>289281584Because we have unironic stuck up fags posting among us. Toriko is a great shounen manga and there is indeed a good probability that Togashi, the man who names Abilities Yu-Gi-oh and FMA, got inspirations from it.
>>289281766BRING ME RIHAN
>>289280911https://mangatrend.org/hunter-x-hunter-413-english/we do but it's AI translated garbage
doesn't this mean Benjamin is pretty much done and will lose?? there's no way he wins THIS early
>>289280059Can somebody post the "nen type circle" that some anon made? That "allegedly" explained nen types better than the type wheel.
>>289281912He was likely the only prince that got fucked over by multiple people to make sure he doesn't win BEFORE the succession war even started.
>>289281912>is about to become a god>does it mean he will lose?No
>>289281866Errrmmm actually the words full, metal and alchemist predate FMA manga by a long time, so you'd have to be a midwit fmafag who has never touched *a* literature to think that Togashi read another shonen manga instead of just magically shitting out the exact same string of words. Go read real literature like The Alchemist.
Kastro was Troupe level
Oh God, he's talking to himself.
>>289281989he's about to poop his pants
If rihan attacks everything will be fine
>>289282014Kastro was a dumbass
>>289281854Kacho and Fugetsu are the closest thing (so far)
>>289281993>I'm begging aieeee please care about muh irrelevant mangaOkay bro.
>>289282073>if his ass was thicker his sitting position might have had his head above the 2 meter elevationa fat ass can save your life
>>289282106I can tell the "a literature" part was what hurt you the most
>>289282085Kastro would shred a third of the troupe to pieces
>>289282106>gets embarrassed by his own argument>slaps a strawman>feels good about himselfIs this the life of the digit IQ existence?
>>289282014Nobunaga level
why didn't furikov buff benjamin and explain his stand's ability the second he awakened it?
>>289282231He has already told Benjamin his stand's ability. It's suggested that he has/will buff it, maybe?
>>289282231furykov is famously retarded
So when Ben's goons start trying to kill his siblings, will thos mean open war with the Hunter Association? Hunters like Biscuit are members, and she isnt going to allow infinite speech bubbles man kill her boy.
what's happening? zhang's not even there
With how many times Oito outplayed everyone, she really needs to become a nen master
I miss him...
>>289282345crazy how I remember this dude's name is coventoba
>>289282329Ben specifically told his men to not attack hunters when he declares martial law.I guess probably because he knows most hunters just want to get to the DC or have other motives for being on the ship and don't care about the succession war, and also probably because he knows hunters are strong.
>>289280059Amazing chapter. I just don't get the need to go back and forth in time.
Why doesn't Benjamin just have Shizuku vacuum the bioweapon toxin out? Is he stupid?
>>289282381>Hunter says they will have to go through him to get the PrinceWhat now?
>>289282422Benjamin should've groomed a soldier into creating an ability to neutralize poison/toxins, this shit is so useful considering the SW he should've seen in coming
>>289282275>>289282231didn't both furikov and ben both already have their abilities before the arc started? i think they already did it
>>289282422How many degrees of separation between Ben and the troupe even are there?
methinks burg is trying to figure out the exact conditions that need to be met before he can fire an arrow. now that his original body has died, balsamilco is going to return to his own body, so he's in a tough spot and needs to swap with someone else as soon as possible, assuming that's even possible to begin with.
>>289282547they did but neither knows what benjamin's nen beast is supposed to do and furykov's ability is literally tailor made to reveal that + getting a power up wouldn't hurt either
"I watched a snail crawl along the edge of a straight razor. That's my dream. It's my nightmare. Crawling, slithering along the edge of a straight razor and surviving."
>>289282422Most pathogens are considered to be living organisms
>>289282456Which hunters would say that, though?The Woble in 1014 isn't eligible for the SW Ben doesn't have to go through Kurapika to attack him. Maybe Hanzo and/or Bisky would be willing to fight for Maryam, but he's still in his pocket dimension. Fuugetsu is protected by the justice department, so Ben's soldiers can't really go after her either. I don't see anyone hunters willing to put their lives on the line to defend Luzurus, Tubeppa, or Tyson.
>>289282610What the fuck are you fuckers talking about? Both are heavily implied to know what Benjamin's GSB does.
>>289282711they know its ability AFTER Ben got poisoned and got attacked by another prince furykov could have easily powered up him as soon as he noticed the giant dickbird on ben's shoulders
>>289282231it takes time for him to analyze the ability
>>289282708Pika's master isn't going to let Tyson get killed. He doesnt seem the guy to just abandon his client.
>(Someone from the weapons development division diverted this to the traitor…!! Suppose that all security controls were working as intended–production reports, inventory, body search, data handling–even then… if an absolute decree were to be given from higher up the food chain…!!)>(Mother!! Her Royal Guard snuck one out… and handed it to the traitor…!! So… Mother chose my little brother over me!!!):'(
>>289281937Idk what exactly you're referring to but people have been making their own versions of nen charts to fix what they see as issues in Togashi's system for a long time. The most common changes usually involve moving specialization "outside" the chart to show that it's a special category, and maybe moving some positions around to give nen types better synergies, like moving conjuration closer to manipulation or emission.
>>289281951If Benjamin had been more like Meruem, and had spent his free time l playing board games instead of developing useless, overcomplicated Nen abilities, he’d have realized this is the inevitable conclusion of winning too hard, too early.
Nen class 2 starts next chapter and will last for three more chapters!
>>289282758
I thought benjamin was smart but turns out he's more retarded and on top of that naive and gullible (which cammy isn't at least)
not even ben's mother wants him to win he's dead meat
>>289282809She will pay dearly for her DESPICABLE partiality. Military style.
“Fullmetal Alchemist”10 – Combo Master11 (Specialization)By being next to a target for a certain (cumulative) amount of time, it can decipher details of the target’s ability and produce equipment to either destroy or bolster/support the target’s ability. When deciphering an ability, [Furykov] cannot use Hatsu12. He cannot use Hatsu when crafting equipment either. The greater the power/effect/impact of the ability, the longer it takes to decipher. The time it takes to transmute17 the equipment is equivalent to the time it takes to decipher the ability, but the timer is reset if the transmuting process is interrupted.
>>289281709Machi thinks of this face every time she goes to sleep.
>>289282378It just your autism. Could never be me.
>Camilla will be having her usual post-lunch massage until 3 o’clock! Her personality wouldn’t allow the announcement to interrupt that…! what a dork
>>289283060*what a stacy
>>289283060she was having a massage btwgod i wish i was massaging her beautiful back bros...
>>289283060Why is Camilla so pretty when Tubeppa is younger and looks like a granny.
>>289283093what's even weirder is that they have the same mother
>>289283060So Ben will burst into Camilla's quarters while she's butt-naked on the massage table. A true tactician.
>>289283079Sarahell...
>>289283028Yes because Machi will kill Hisoka
>However, by monitoring her with Secret Window over a long time without rest, the ability leveled up, and it is now possible to rewind the footage to Musse’s vision right before his death.I love that some abilities got XP bars
>>289282823No no, it was a circle graph with a different conception / epistemology that tried to explain nen from a different perspective than the 6 categories.
>>289283141I assure you there's a 10% chance Machi kills Hisoka, but a 100% chance she fucks Hisoka.
If Camilla gets wiped out, WE are ALL dropping this manga.
>>289280059Everything is going according to ojousama's keikaku
>>289283225Chronologically, Benjamin was last seen in the lower tiers looking for the two remaining princes Zhang and Luzurus, it means he already dealt with Camilla and Tse. I don't think Tse is dead due to plot armor, but Camilla has no such armor so she's likely dead. The rest of the princes might not be viewed by Ben as such threats, so he might have just kept them in the grand hall for later, who knows, but the first two siblings are the ones he wanted to personally kill immediately. If he's down on the lower tiers tying up lose ends, it means they were dealt with.
>>289283298>Chronologically, Benjamin was last seen in the lower tiers looking for the two remaining princes Zhang and LuzurusHuh? Wasn't he with the Zodiacs?
>>289283298Even if you ignore plot armor, we already know Tse could easily use his nen ability to trick Benjamin into thinking he killed him, just like he did with Theta. We don't know any way for Camilla to get out of this alive.
>>289283248Cute
>>289283298Togashi is showing things in a particular order for a reason. Anyone would come to your conclusion, would he really make a prince's death so obvious? (Ignore Sale-Sale)Believe in our king.
>>289283360The Zodiacs are on the lower tiers (tier 3 it seems) with the exception of Pika
>furikov told Benjamin about the fuck you curse aimed to kill him only after he actually went to confront him>benjamin doesn't question this
>>289283377>our kingWho?
Martial LawNOW
>>289283362My point exactly.
>>289283404The most socially progressive prince.
>>289283437Who?
>>289283437>>289283450>Benjamin wants to be king just so he can legalize homosexualityI believe it
>>289283393Probably Furykov himself learned of that 2 days ago by Unma. Otherwise why wouldn't he tell him before the SW stared at all.
Was the.fhspter posted already?
Another chapter another day without knowing how these damn coins work
Wouldn't Camilla and Tse be in the gathering hall with the rest of the Princes? Yes, Halk said to leave them to him, but that could mean he himself arrests them (and can kill them on his own later). Otherwise, why bother gather up the other Princes in the first place, why not just shoot them in their rooms?
>>289283521No, it hrsnpt yet.
Why doesn't Furykov just go to Beyond's jail cell and stare at him for awhile?
>>289281680He would've brainwashed everyone at the banquet. Rihan clutched up
>>289283459Did you think the bara edits of Benjamin's soldiers were just a joke?
>>289283531Zhang will go to his grave still trying to figure it out
Ben is surrounded by retards
>>289283577He dies to Boku-sen! this batch
Tserreidnich's soul will be killed and Halkenburg will take control of his body.
>>289283555That's Cammy's pov though
>>289281680He deff noticed how his nen beast was working because the quality of dick sucking improved.
>>289283625Halk is just a meme while Tserried's an actual character. Don't count your luck.
>>289283618He's trying to fix his family tree for a reason Balkenburg.
how can bisky possibly deal with rihan?
>>289283710just punch him to deathhe's a conjurer who has to spend time thinking about how to counter his opponent's abilitiesrihan even states that he's vulnerable to enhancers and emitters
>>289283710Punching him in the face? It's not like predator would matter vs Cookie or against Bisky as a fighter.
The princes not being allowed to marry until they become king is pretty dumb. What if a 40 year old woman wins the succession? The royal line immediately dies out.
>>289283536Togashi vetoed it. The logical thing to do would be to shoot them in their rooms, but Togashi is nerfing Ben's intellect for the sake of cheaply written convenience. Gathering all princes in one room is dangerous as it unites their nen beasts and their powers against one common enemy - Ben. On the other hand, shooting them in their isolated rooms is most cost efficient and with the lest amount of risk, but heck, Togashi can't have that, can he?
>>289283536>Yes, Halk said to leave them to himWait, Halk? What? Ben said that dude.
>>289281584Because Chimera Ants washing ashore predates the first mention of Gourmet World by like 5 years
>>289283758That's why the Queens's offspring is who can participate in the SW. You'd have the same problem with an impotent male king.
>>289283710>rihan thinks of a way to counter bisky's transformation ability>just ends up putting her in gorilla mode where she beats the shit out of everyone effortlessly>>289283758I don't think that rule is a thing
>>289283710Cookie-chan is not an offensive ability. Countering it is pointless.
>>289283777I did a retarded.
>>289283758I think it's due to this retarded Succession Battle rule. They likely have illegitimate kids, like Ben. >>289283786He's right though, none of them are married despite being in their thirties and horny.
>>289283822Benjamin has a kid, what's to say he doesn't have an unnamed wife (other than the fact that he's probably gay)?
>>289281584And if you don't accept Chimera Ants as when Togashi thought of The Dark Continent. Nanika was introduced a year before Toriko mentioned GW.
>>289283834Because the author made it a point to list all the legal wives of the king, their maids, their guards, their neighbors and their dogs, the guards families, the guards tenis partners, and so on, so if any of them had legal wives it would be listed. Since Ben refers to his child as illegitimate, it means he was never allowed to legally marry despite the urge to fuck the opposite sex, procreate and most importantly provide for his offspring. If Ben wants his child on the throne it means he didn't just fuck for fun but for family, so it would be a legal child had that been legally possible.
>>289283919>legal childlegitimate*
>>289283786It is hilarious that's a fairly likely outcome.
>unma knows about beyond's plotTserri might actually be his child, I hope not because that'd be pretty boring
>>289280263
>>289284114How is boring? It makes Kurapika and Beyond clash.
>>289284174Are these height differences canon?
>>289284114Just because it's easy to figure out after all this time doesn't mean it will be boring.
>>289283537Then how am Iighddse to read it?
You might not like it, but this is what 200 IQ thinking looks like.
In chapter 410 Ben says there's 4 princes left (alive I guess). Who do you think the other two are besides Zhang and Luzurus? Tse can trick Ben into thinking he's dead, so he's out of the equation. This means:>AliveFuu (because she's at the Justice Department in Tier 2)Wobble (because no one knows where she is)Halkenburg? (because he's wherever)This means everyone else is dead>DeadCamillaTubeppaTysonMaryam
>>289284272I don't Cammy coughing out her lungs, losing her guards or shitting herself so she's clearly doing better than Ben
>>289284282>left (alive I guess)I think he means secured. In any case, he wouldn't count Fuu or Halk because he had already excluded those as he declared martial law. It's Marayam and Woble.
>>289284309dont see*
>>289284352>he had already excluded those as he declared martial lawDid I miss something? Remind me of the page and panel. Considering Ben has no time to lose I don't see why he's "secure" them when their very hearts beating is a threat to him and his plan. He's on a timer, he wouldn't let them live. What convinces me of him murdering the rest even more is exactly this new Wobble-swap reveal. Had it not been for such a bold retcon, there'd be no asspull that could save Wobble from a purge. The baby swap is exactly there because Ben murdered the weaker princes.
>>289284282tse and cammy are doneafter he says zhang lei and luzurs he says to "leave lower ranked princes for later" who are i assume marayam and woblebtw woble being swapped doesn't matter, the guards didn't believe kura and neither will benjamin
>>289284412From this chapter>In the 15 minutes it will take to perform a “safety check” on Camilla and Tserriednich, gather the remaining 6 Princes outside of Halkenburg and Fugetsu in Room 1001 by 14:30!!
>>289284479>leave lower ranked princes for laterOh yeah. I already forgot that. He's an idiot then.
>>289282231It's not Benjamin Baton that Furykov noted, but Benjamin's GSB that he needed to decipher. And he's a soldier that's on constant assignment in other rooms to other princes, like Rihan. He probably set his ability to decipher Benjamin's GSB and let it progress while he worked on gathering intel on Kurapika manually. This is, of course, assuming he's not lying and is just an assassin working for someone else. He didn't actually tell Benjamin of Queen Unma's plot and the poisoning until after he completed his mission and Benjamin confronted him. What if Benjamin never did? Furykov would've assassinated his prince without achieving his objective.
>>289284497I understood that as just the princes the soldiers can physically gather, not the ones Ben intends to kill. He can't bring Fuu to the hall because she's at the Justice Department, and Halk's swapping bodies. In the timeskip from chapter 410 he implies that only 4 princes are left to be dealt with, and two of those are Luzurus and Zhang. I can't believe that Camilla is the only one he managed to kill, surely he'd dispose of Tubeppa and Tyson too.
>>289281584Fanboys who only read one manga in the genre. They're probably teenagers or brown (same IQ). I know because I went through this when I was underage. I was a Narutard, and then I accepted Kishimoto did take ideas from Togashi, and then I realized Togashi loves Naruto so it's probably not one-way, and then I realized it isn't: Hunter x Hunter takes from Naruto, too. Everyone takes ideas from their contemporaries. Part of it is the stress of having to come up with a new chapter every week, but also Asians just don't care as much about originality as white people do. They don't roll their eyes at plagiarism unless it's really, really bad. Like, I look at Fairy Tail and it's like, "lol c'mon buddy," but nips see nothing wrong.If I post that the Hunter x Hunter primary antagonists are intentionally (but your guess is as good as mine as to why) are similar to the primary antagonists of JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, I will be eviscerated - I know because I have. If I go to the One Piece thread and point out that Oda was inspired by Naruto characters when designing the Big Mom Pirates, they will eviscerate me - I know, because they have. I'm less familiar with what zoomer shounen fanbases would say. If I told MHA fans that Deku is Naruto with Rock Lee as the main character, would they be happy about that? Maybe they would because Naruto is an older series and the inspiration seems fine that way, but if it's a series they're "competing" with then it's different, right? So if I told JJK fans, "Hey, don't you think Choso looks a little similar to like...maybe this demon from KnY? The face marking, the hair, the blood..? Just me?" Would they be angry?
>>289284553
Camilla LostChang LostTubeppa LostTyson LostBenjamin LostHalkenburg LostTseri WonMarayam WonWoble WonLuzurus Won
>>289284497>gather the remaining 6 Princes outside of Halkenburg and Fugetsu in Room 1001Does that include the fake Woble or no?
>>289284550Ben cares way too much about his boys and it keeps biting him in the ass
>>289281746>He has one of the most broken nen beasts? its just a shitty version of teleportation
It's happening
>>289284720my hero
>>289284585All the princes have lost, are losing or will have lost
>>289284720Will he lose?
>>289284581you say this and act as if your so high iq for pointing out the obvious. But everyone and their mother is quick to point out how often togashi takes from other manga, dragonball especially. Hes also very quick to reference dragon quest, and in the succession war theres been lots of jpop which im sure you already know. >>289281584>>289283899The thing with toriko as this other anon has pointed out is that both nanika being from the dark continent and the chimera ants themselves predate toriko. Togashi was strongly hinting at the DCs existence before that manga was ever published. I do agree its likely that after toriko started it could have influenced how togashi wrote about the DC moving forward but he already started laying the groundwork before toriko. Maybe its a case of them both taking inspiration from the same source.
>>289284698No its not anon he is inside a nen dimension that no one can enter
>>289284749They are just inside the dragon, anon. Rihan will figure it out, send predator and kill the GSB along with anyone inside it.
>>289284772>Rihan nodiffs BiskyMy GOAT...
>>289284772will togashi reaaly do that to hanzo an bisky
>>289284585She won
>>289281584In conclusion, you're wrong and smug. Get corrected brat!
>>289284745Also>literal first page of the mangaTogashi probably had the DC in his mind for the past 28 years
>>289284823"beyond activate the curses and kill everyone"
>>289284772Belerainte no-diffs Rihan and Predator
>>289284823>he bought?
>>289284853me the fish in the middle first panel
>>289284818No
>>289284272I just realized she probably talks like a retard because when developing her Hatsu she must have taken her body close to death too many times and got brain damage.
>>289284553He could bend steel with how hard he's clenching his asshole here.
>>289284848
>>289284823Strongest genes in Kakin
>>289284853That's just reaching at this point, might as well say the Kakin treasures were foreshadowed from that page.
>>289284772No way its not even clear Rihan will be able to see the dragon, Hanzo was only in that situation because he Astral projected. Rihan will like, need to stand outside the room or something.
>>289284910Iirc she only talks like a retard towards Benjamin because it pisses him off
>>289281584And what makes you so convinced that is the case?Wild unexplored lands overseas is too simple of a concept for anyone to take ownership of it.
>>289284942kakin was foreshadowed in yorknew
>>289284910I wonder if the same applies to FeitanHe's actually just retarded because he got his brains bashed in to develop his hatsu
>>289284972Kakin was downright mentioned, doesn't mean Togashi had the SW plot in mind, and certainly not the way it ended up being.
>>289284114On one hand I also want him to be the Beyond's child because that would greatly justify his nen potential, but on the other hand I'd like him to be someone else like Marayam or Fugetsu for a plot twist and the lulz.
>>289284987retard, togashi also had the troupe backstory in plan back thenconsidering kakin connections to the troupe, it was probably already done in togashi mind
How would togashi write a character without inner monologue?
>>289284823Furikov is lyingHis curse will kill the queen Ben will kill Camila Die to tsk19 Everyone besides Babimyna jobs
>>289285041Behold, Benjamin's future
What do you think Beyond's objective is? I think he wants to undermine the V5's control over DC expeditions and position himself as the one in charge. Since the new kakin king is set to inhabit this new continent island, which is strategically located near the boundary, it makes me think that whoever Beyond's child is, they must be young.
I don't see Ben dying anytime soon most of his men will become irrelevant if he shits himself to death
>>289284114No the twist is going to be that Tserri is Isaac’s child and Beyond’s brother, one of Beyond’s curse children is targeted at him which wouldn’t be the case if he was his own child.
>>289284720there goes my hero
>>289281584>theyhatedhimbecausehespokethetruth.jpg
>>289284720>Think Rihan!
>>289284823The Queen of Snu-snu
Is this the thing that caused Kacho's death and attracted evil spirits to Fugetsu?
>>289284720Rihan means worm in Arabic
>>289285030>because he thought the generalities of this backstory means he also thought of this mildly at best connected plot that is 95% unrelatedHunterscholars are no different than Odadrones, lmao.
>>289284720
>>289285292Do we know if the evil spirits on Fuugetsu aren't a curse from one of the Beyond children?
>>289285335We don't know what's up for sure. They could even be natural.
>>289285335Could be. Later theory is that those curses attack GSB's instead.
>>289285335I thought the consensus was that they were from Thugnificent's nen beast
>>289285292Yeah, but Fugetsu? Who knows it could be a curse from Beyond or Camilla's soldiers
>>289285292def killed kacho but the evil spirits are likely unrelated. I dont think they come from camilla or beyonds curse suicide soldiers either. Kaiser and melody believe it came from the Prince luzurus but i dont even know how they came to that conclusion.
>>289284241Its close
>>289285409Don't worry. Next chapter will be before the plan to kill Luzurus, covering what really happened to Fugetsu and Melody.
>>289285413smol
>>289285413I've learned not to trust Togashi too much with such details, like for example any panel where Babimyna and Furykov are standing next to each other, their heights are all over the place.
>>289284241https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8KPFncwDdI
Lay down your weapons. It is not too late for my mercy
>>289285292This is likely the thing overseeing the ritual, yes. The black fog that followed Kacho and was seen around Woble was probably this thing monitoring the participants. Kacho and Fugetsu are participants, so leaving is penalized. But Oito and Woble aren't participants, so they could, under its rule, leave at any time.The evil spirits are different. They could be a natural paranormal phenomenon or inflicted as part of a curse.>>289285409Because Melody likened Fugetsu's behavior as akin to someone addicted to a drug. She has a curse mark, meaning she likely triggered a trap or was pricked by an ability, and she's behaving extremely erratically. Nencho surmised that because Luzurus is fond of recreational drugs, his Guardian Spirit Beast likely took that attribute into account and attacked Fugetsu with a Nen drug/curse, so only by having Luzurus release the ability (unlikely) or if he dies would the curse go away.Of course, this assumes Luzurus or his GSB is actually responsible for Fu's condition.
>>289281584Exploration of new continents is a thing since like the 15th century. This thematic has long been part of mankind before any manga was even created. Therefore it doesn't belongs to any particular manga.
>>289285104The 4th prince is his child. The family resemblance is way to obvious, hes basically evil netero. Beyonds goal is to have his child rule kakin, and I assume Beyond himself will have a extremely high amount of influence and control over the colony founded on the fake continent. Beyonds goal to me seems pretty clear - if beyond controls the fake continent through his child prince, he can use the colony as a stronghold. Similar to what you said. He doesn't have to return to the human world or obey their laws. he can use the fake continent as a base of operations for multiple trips to the dark continent. He doesnt have to share what he finds with the human world either. After he came back the first time, he was essentially trapped in the human world for 70 years. Once he has the kakin colony under control he dosnt have to obey the rest of the world and can go to the DC as much as he wants without interruption.
>>289285522I thought it was impossible for nen beasts to attack other people with nen beasts. Not that melody or kaiser would know that anyway
>>289285575Correct, and WE know that, but Melody, Kaiser, and Nencho don't. Also Nencho is a weird state because she's still constrained as a Guardian Spirit Beast, but she has Kacho's full consciousness. So she may be the only one that can directly attack other princes.
>>289285536>inner aura/power has been a thing in martial arts and human spirituality since recorded history>therefore, Nen/Chakra/Reiatsu are not directly inspired by DBZNobody actually thinks this in earnest.
>>289282345That's why he's having that reaction. Benjamin just told him he wants them to round up the princes and his prince isn't there, he let him leave without him. It's possible something else is going on as well, but I think it's just that. Kanjidol is the really suspicious one.>>289282378Some names are easier to remember, either because they're normal, sound nice or get repeated a lot in theories. I saw people calling Butch "Guard" and I'm like, "Is fucking BUTCH a hard name to remember?"
>>289282345He went to take shit and didn't expect the endgame to start
>>289285364>I thought the consensus was that they were from Thugnificent's nen beastWho?If it's a GSB, they can't attack other Princes.
>>289284479Mizaistom remarks that he's going to hostage the princes on tier 1 as hostages. I'm going to assume that means he secured Cammy, Tubeppa, Tyson, and Woble for capture. Zhang Li and Luzurus are confirmed loose. His inner thoughts remark that four princes remain which factors in Halkenburg since he's aware Halk is alive after the rumble. So the possible princes he doesn't have would be>Tse>Marayam>Fugetsu>HalkenburgHe has two of these and the other two are captured or dead. Judging by the way he talks in 410 I'm going to bet one is Tse. I'm actually gonna guess Halkenburg is dead he's playing way too balls the walls to survive. We know one of the lower princes got away which indicates Marayam or Fugetsu escaped him. Fugetsu could have taken the worm somewhere or Marayam's space could be too difficult for Rihan's predator to deal with.
>>289281766Why does Benny hate Tserri this much again? He doesn't even hate Halkenburg this much despite the fact his own mother favors HalkenburgAlso its curious Benny doesn't spare a specific thought to his child or the fact that his child is now in the custody of his Mother who ordered his assassination. I guess he hopes to eliminate the Princes fast enough that Unma cant use his child against him??
>went back to togashi twitter>414 had benjamin picturebros.....it is over
>>289285751Post it
>>289285725Benjamin been knew that tserriednich is a sick fuck and promised to kill him since the war started
>>289283298Eeeeh you're not wrong but Camilla gives me dark horse vibes a little. I could see her getting character development, plus it would kinda undermine whatever Sarahel is gonna do so her dying to Martial Law Execution doesn't feel right. Honestly any Prince dying to Martial Law Execution doesn't feel right imo
>>289285505Poor artist tried to make it look less ridiculous by cropping out the literal dick on it's head.
>>289282784I have a strong, nauseous feeling that Izunavi is one of "those" characters. You know what I'm talking about. Those characters that feel like they should be stronger/more important than they really are. I feel like Izunavi was just made by Togashi to teach Kurapika Nen, and then when this arc rolled around, he thought, "Well, Kurapika doesn't have many friends, so let's grab this dude. What's his name again? Oh, I didn't give him one...let's come up with a name lol">>289282955Fullmetal Alchemist is such a great name for an ability. Combo Master is not and, unfortunately, as English speakers, that's the one we should be using. I'm not sure it even makes sense for what the ability does. I guess kinda'?I've never said this because it's almost certainly nothing, but after getting this ability reveal I have to finally ask after all these years: is Furykov's design inspired by anything? Maybe a cartoon or comic character? For me personally, the first time I saw him he reminded me of the Galka 8B character option in Final Fantasy XI. If he gets on one knee and holds his hands out in front of him to "craft" I'm going to lose my shit.
>>289282231Clearly the smart thing to do was secretly poison him and don't tell him about it for 6 hours
>>289283758The nen from the Contest could probably beef up the uterus, you don't know
>>289285611Jesus. So now the notion of power system as a whole belongs to DBZ.
>>289285548Yeah, there are definitely a lot of similarities, but the 4th prince is a huge wildcard. I doubt he will be someone who can be controlled or manipulated.
>>289285848izunavi will probably get his moment just like hanzo did before getting thrown back to the sideline
>>289285872Power systems as a concept? No? Power systems that are based on some aura that has to be unlocked and trained? Yes, it has a very good case.
>>289285931It's based off of Buddhism though
>>289285781Its a little weird in context. The Carnivale is worse than anything Tserri's done. Why would Ben care about Tserri killing random women when the royals have a whole system to clean up their sick shit?
>>289285848I have a strong suspicion Benjamin's guards are all based on real people after Togashi revealed Vincent was suppose to look like Yu Sawabe.
If Beyond's objective is to place his child as a ruler to be able to do whatever he pleases in the DC, then he must have planned a way to force his child to obey him.I wonder if his curse could be about that as well.
>>289285962Yes, you got it anon! DBZ took it from Chinese/Indian philosophy and it's interpretation inspired other works. that's very common.
>>289286009So did other manga, they didn't take it from DBZ you disingenuous pisser
>>289286035Literally all of them have cited DBZ as a major inspiration, retardbro.
>>289285965I could see as a personal thing where tserriednich and benjamin never like each other and were destined to fight to the death
>>289286103I hope Togashi includes a flashback explaining the beef
How will Togashi organize the plot now after this chapter? If we go by major storylines there’s about 5-8 that may need focus. Obviously Togashi might not care (he out I’ll chapters during the Netero meruem fight) and will die shatter he wants so what do you guys think?
>>2892861615 years before the declaration of special martial law
>>289286004Either that or he found a legal loophole that would allow him to claim the throne dir to his parental link to the winning PrinceOr none of the princes are his child and Longhi's theory is wrong, DESU I don't really see how that would benefit him, he already has support from Kakin
>>289286182(He put Ikalgo chapters during The Netero Mereum fight) and will do whatever he wants****
>>289286204*25 years
>>289286004I think beyond might just think like Ging and Silva. Ging assumed Gon would survive all his trials because he’s his son and has his brave genes. Silva assumed Killua would betray his friends and come back to daddy to be an assassin probably using the same intuition as Ging.I think beyond will be the same way. He probably thinks>it’s my child, OF COURSE they’d want to follow in my footsteps and conquer the dark continent !
>Tyson is Beyond's childHow would you react?
>>289286004>then he must have planned a way to force his child to obey himOr his child is too young to do anything yet, like Marayam.
>>289286101Not necessarily for nen, but child Sangoku for Gon, or Cell for Meruem yes. And also for the Hisoka, Irumi or Sharnalk's outfit seems to be inspired by Piccolo's oufit.However the DC inspired by toriko is a big NO.
>>289283151There's this one detail about Nen that people have been ignoring since shortly after Nen was introduced and it's that Nen abilities are like magic spells, but leveled ones. Almost every arc has someone creating a low level ability or increasing the strength of their ability through use or Nen literally being described as having levels. I think most readers just see it as more complexity and it's easy to ignore. Is there any point in the story when you can say, "That fight was decided by the level of the abilities used, not the level of the fighters"? I don't think so. Because the two are almost synonymous.We see characters with shitty abilities as they're learning them and people are fine with that because I think they visualize it as the ability not being "fully downloaded" and at some point the ability will be complete and won't be improved any further, but that's not it. There is no hard ceiling. Sleep2 can become Sleep3.
>>289286269I don't buy that at allHe's been preparing for years, he won't leave anything up to chance+ His own relationship with his dad seems pretty conflicted + His seems ready to sacrifice his own child for his profit so he should assume they would think very little of him
Benjamin hates Tserriednich because of his inferiority complex, as Tserriednich mogs him in every way. Unma feared that her delicate child, Halkenburg, would be bullied by these two demons, so she made a bargain with the sonlet queen.
Why does Camilla's beast made up of boobs? Is she a lesbian?
>>289286307You do realize that taking inspiration doesn't have to be an outfit or anything specific, and could in fact be a wide variety of things from a narrative to a meta narrative level, right?
These info dumps are just confusing now. Especially between Halkenburg -Unma, Unma-beyond-furykov. Come on man
>>289286213conditional support isn't real support tho
>>289286432Togashi is also just keeping information that would make things very clear hidden from the reader for no reason. For example, has Benjamin knowingly what his GSB would do this whole time due to furykovs ability? What type of relationship do Unma and Halk, furykovs, and Benjamin have?
>>289286474how so?
>>289286432Here's the gist:>Unma is the First Queen, she's also secretly Halkenburg's mother and supports him in the Succession War over her firstborn son Benjamin>She ordered Furykov, one of Beyond's Cursed Offerings, to use TSK-17 to assassinate Benjamin>If he failed she would contact Beyond to trigger Furykov's curse, which would kill him, and then Benjamin>Furykov determined that if Benjamin died to his curse Benjamin's Guardian Spirit Beast would disappear, which i8s bad because he sussed out the Beast's ability>But if Benjamin dies via another means (like the TSK-17 infection) the Guardian Spirit Beast will fuse with Benjamin's ability, Benjamin Baton>This will allow it to live on beyond Benjamin's death, and turn Benjamin into a guardian deity of Kakin>Benjamin is now using the special martial law to try and win the Succession War so his progeny becomes legitimate, before he dies and becomes the guardian deity
>>289286474Yeah obviously he want more, but just being the father of the Prince doesn't guarantee he gets more out of it. I definitely think something else is at play here.For example, it would make more sense to me that he isn't any Prince's father, but the curse placed in his children would allow him to mind control the Princes. That way no matter the winner the best outcome is guaranteed to him.
>>289286527>me when waiting for next chapter
>>289286571 I think there's little chance Unma doesnt think Furykov won't betray her so surely she and by extension, Balkenburg should be prepared for Martial Law.
>>289286571>secretly Halkenburg's motherits not a secret
>>289286650Not anymore it's not
>>289286571Okay, this makes sense. The translations made everything seem like confusing gibberish. This actually seems pretty logical but I haven’t thought deeply enough about the situation to know if there’s plot holes in it.
>>289286286I punch the first woman I see out of anger
>>289286571Can you explain what the fuck a counter curse is? I was following the text until those got brought up.Also what did Unma tell Halkenburg because it seems like his plans are heavily influenced by her right now.
>>289285848Izunavi will be an exorcist. He'll first save Giulliano fron Taithon's loveturd, and then fake Wobble from Sarahell (cute).
>>289285965The carnivals are Kakin tradition, though. Benjamin is a staunch nationalist who takes great pride in his country and heritage, I doubt he'd see anything wrong with anything that's tradition.Tserri just butchers women and posts his snuff collections on the dark web under the pretense of art, which I can see as far more enraging to Benjamin. Not on a moral stance, but in the sense that that's what he finds important in life, rather than his duty as prince.
How do I use nen to grow my body in size? Like as big as a mountain.
>>289286709Abdul....
>>289286760Conjuration to make more mass.
>>289286714>Can you explain what the fuck a counter curse is?It just means that the curse on Furykov that's meant for Benjamin will rebound onto Furykov and only kill him. Beyond's evil will be contained with Furykov's death.>Also what did Unma tell Halkenburg because it seems like his plans are heavily influenced by her right now.This one I don't know. Halk's designs are still a mystery until we see the results of his bodyswap bonanza.Also this all assumes that Furykov is telling the truth. He COULD just be an assassin working for Unma who willingly poisoned Benjamin and is lying about everything. Ben is kind of a sucker who gets heated and impatient, but calms down and listens to reason after talking to someone he trusts. Balsamilco praises this quality of him, but it also makes him gullible.
Halkenburg is firing his arrow at Luzurus, NOT at Benjamin, you dumb fucks. Halk's dialogue indicates that he has ALREADY fired a METAPHORICAL arrow (Furykov) at Benjamin, and now he's testing how his ability works with a different target. Halkenburg has NO way of knowing Benjamin's location, so hitting him with an arrow through the walls is impossible, and given the risks and restrictions of his abilities there's no way he would fire blindly and rely on luck.The only Prince's location he can confirm is Luzurus, due to the Rhys conspiracy explained in the attached pic. In chapter 410 we learn that Luzurus and Zhang-Lei are both missing during Martial Law, and Ben thinks that they either escaped to the lower tiers OR they are hiding within the Justice Bureau. We know from this weeks chapter that Zhang has already escaped (>>289282345), presumably to the lower tiers via his connection to the Mafia. HOWEVER, Luzurus is still in his room during the announcement of Martial Law, and the only place he can escape to on Tier 1 that Benjamin doesn't control is the Justice Beuruo, and the Justice Bureau is currently filled with Halkenburg's supporters. It makes complete sense that after possessing Luzurus (or somebody else in Room 107), Halk would kidnap Luzurus and bring him into the Justice Beuruo while Ben is distracted killing Cammy.There's no other explanation for how Luzurus could escape Benji's soldiers unnoticed prior the imminent Martial Law, epically because Luzurus has no way of knowing that Martial Law is about to be declared and therefore doesn't have a reason to leave his room. Halkenburg, however, knows that Ben just got poisoned and Martial Law is likely about to arrive, so he has every incentive to take Luzurus out of his room and into the Justice Bureau immediately. I don't give a fuck what you think the translation says.
>>289286807I would collapse under the weight if conjuration is being used, isn't it better to just make a mech suit instead? I was wondering, how the aspects of growing the body in size can be achieved.
>>289286862use enhancement to reinforce your bones and muscle while using conjuration to make more mass
Still only MTL for english? I'm seeing even the french getting a translation.
>>289286762???? I will kill you if you refer to me as anything but "anon" again
>>289286975VoraciousDrake or whoever did a real translation, it's just not typesetted
>>289285725It just seems they are polar opposites. Benjamin likely sees Tserri as self-absorbed and snobbish, while Tserri views Benjamin as a brutish, uneducated blockhead.
>>289286818>I don't care what the text of the story says>I will erase it and substitute it with my headcanonWhat causes this? Is is early signs of psychosis/schizophrenia?
>>289286818halk is on tier 2 you know
>>289286933The bigger body will need too much energy, I'd starve to death. I feel like it can be achieved much more easily with emission nen. Like, coating the surface of the body with nen and then emitting the shape of it's outline, like a solidified coating, a mix of Ten and En.
>>289286399An outfit or character design is much more specific than a narrative or meta narrative level. So as I said before, exploration of new continents is a thing since the middle age, when Hisoka's or Sharnalk's clothing are somethingI have never seen outside of DBZ.
>>289286379all her guards/staff are female too
>>289287059cute peeto
>>289287058>Like, coating the surface of the body with nen and then emitting the shape of it's outline, like a solidified coating, a mix of Ten and En.Wouldn't that be more of a transmutation ability? It doesn't require emission unless the nen is separate from the body
Anon-sama-tachi, I read the shitty translation, I have no idea what happened. Pls help.
>>289287063>Piccolo's outfit is middle eastern inspired with a martial art outfit touch>both of those existed before DBZBy your logic, even those are not DBZ inspirations, in fact, nothing that was ever though of or done before is.
>>289287106Oh, I was remembering the cripple guy from heavens arena who used nen as the arm. You're right, I think it was a transmutter. I suppose that's a good way to achieve the effect of growing the body in size.
>>289287058>The bigger body will need too much energy, I'd starve to deathConjured objects don't necessarily has to abide by the same laws of physics as normal objects. Your magical conjured body could likely require very little calories to maintain, especially if using restrictions and conditions
>>289287116>>289286571
>>289287117>both of those existed before DBZThe mix of both of those didn't existed before, so they have a high chance to be inspired from DBZ
>>289286818>Luzurus has no way of knowing that Martial Law is about to be declared and therefore doesn't have a reason to leave his room. I'll bet you 20 bucks Luzurus gets away because one of his retarded guards blows it AGAIN and jobs to Basho.
>>289286571Why didn't unma just trigger curse instead?
>>289287199Neither the concept of using your aura to attack with beams or turn it into things to attack, there is nothing in buddhism about that
>>289287224There's probably hoops to go through with contacting Beyond, who is under surveillance by the Hunter Association.
>>289281584it's so funny to see so many people angry at this objectively correct post. Why is the concept of inspiration seen as something so negative? Literally every artist does it. If you think Togashi is special and all of his ideas just matarialized from nothing directly inside his head you are just wrong and probably a minor who has only read three manga maximum lmao.
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>>289286527
What's the difference between emission and transmutation when it comes to extending one's aura from their body? Is it literally just whether the aura is connected somehow? So in that case, Zeno's dragon lance is transmutation despite the fact that he's an emitter.Do things like Kurapika's chains or Bungee Gum not get weaker the further they are away from the body, as long as they stay connected?
Why assume that the princes connected to the mafia haven't already anticipated this move and made preparations for the moment the 1st prince tries to invoke martial law? The 3rd and 7th princes are likely already down there.
>>289287232-_-; Togashi literally conceptualized the dark continent 5 to 1 year before Toriko mentioned itIts an objectively wrong post
>>289287298proof?
>>289287289Machi's hatsu implies it gets weaker the further you go
Does any of the princes know that they are on the timer, and their family might fall into ruin if this shit doesn't get completed?
>>289287232Ok but why specifically Toriko and not dozens of other stories or rpgs where there's an undiscovered dangerous place though? It's a pretty general storytelling trope I need more than a simple "they're similar"
>>289287326Machi's hatsu implies that it doesn't get weaker as long as it remains attached to the user.>>289287289Dragon Lance as we understand would be Transmutation, but Togashi retconned Zeno's category.
>>289287354No
>>289287326I think that's just a restriction she put on her threads, probably to make them stronger in the short range.This description implies that as soon as she disconnects a thread from her body, it is immediately affected by emission, and is thus weaker.
>>289287289transmutation is shaping and changing the properties of your aura, emission is controlling your aura once you separate it from yourself. An example of zenos emission would be dragon drive, shooting all those dragon arrows over the entire castle. In this battle with chrollo he only transmuted his aura into the dragon shape and fought like that. Both bungee gum and machis threads canonically get weaker the longer they get stretch. kurapikas chains do not but they do not have the same range and are conjured so its prob different
>>289283536Straight out killing the princes isn't permissible, so he's rounding them up under the precursor of keeping them safe from people who can't be trusted by Kakin. Tserriednich and Camilla will resist, everyone knows it, they have already resisted being spied on by his soldiers. He'll use that as a precursor to use force and "accidentally" kill them as a way of defending himself. The other princes won't resist, so he can't kill them unless he does it all at once. If he does it all at once, he wins the succession contest and whatever crime he may have committed becomes moot as he's now legally and spiritually the new king of Kakin. If for some reason Tserriednich and Camilla don't resist, he might try to force the engagement since he really wants to kill the two of them with his own hands.We all know Tserriednich will be fine, but Camilla is in an interesting situation. Her GSB hasn't done anything and she hasn't done anything either for the past 3 days other than read Kacho's letter. Her commander, who has the strongest curse against Benjamin, is with her as well. They could have some epic final showdown with people dying left and right, but I don't think she's just getting wrecked. We don't know Butch's ability, but the fact Togashi had Benjamin tell us he knows how her ability works means that info alone can't be what does her in, otherwise he would've saved the reveal.
>>289287391>Both bungee gum and machis threads canonically get weaker the longer they get stretchBungee Gum actually gets stronger the more it stretches, but only when it's attached to Hisoka. This makes sense because Hisoka has to bear the weight of the increasing force.
>>289287386>>289287379hive
>>289287379its not a retcon at all, Dragon drive is one of the strongest emissions attacks in the manga and silva also emitters 2 nen balls and throws them at chrollo. Zeno using transmutation to fight at a closer range doesnt make his nen type a retcon, he wasnt even going all out.
>>289287423oh true
If Benjamin fuses with his nen beast, does he just become a giant penis?
>>289287003Are redditors really this idiotic? You take everything you read at face value? The concept of "Figure of speech" is alien to your underdeveloped redditor mind?
>>289285292>FugetsuI need to reread everything but it's 100% a curse ... but we don't know from who.>>289285335We are led to believe that it was Cammy or Beyond that cursed Fuu but it could also be Kaiser (He has access to Fuu, has the means, possible motivation, etc)We need to take into account when (day hour) the curse actually started
>>289287582>he used the "arrow has been fired" as a metaphor while firing an arrowRetardlord...
>>289284745>you say this and act as if your so high iq for pointing out the obvious. But everyone and their mother is quick to point out how often togashi takes from other mangaThis is just not true. I just told you anons DON'T agree with me when I point those things out. Wait a week and then randomly post that Togashi took some ideas from Naruto, you think the responses are going to be people asking you why you're pointing out the obvious? In what fucking world?They will do the exact same thing to you that you're doing to the guy who pointed out Toriko did the Dark Continent first. They'll call you an idiot and start seething that you dare compare their favorite masterpiece to some garbage slop like that. And then instead of pointing to a precise example of something that predates it, you'll just try to argue that "somewhat similar things have existed before" or "they're actually very, very different" - which is complete fanboy cope.
>>289286341When bisky is teaching gon and killua in greed island, she tells them that you spend your whole life developing hatsu as you gain experience get better at nen. The more you use hatsu and the more things you experience the stronger it will become, it was never a static fixed ability. We always knew it could level up based on the nen users experience using it
>>289287379>Dragon Lance as we understand would be Transmutation, but Togashi retconned Zeno's category.??? Zeno isn't transmuting his aura into dragons anon
>>289286983nonny...
this next ch is make or breakeither there’s finally some action or we get blueballed again
>>289285163>one of Beyond’s curse children is targeted at himAnd this was told to you in a dream?>>289285335The evil spirits are a natural phenomenon. They're crowding around her because she's in a weakened state similar to Zetsu and getting worse over time. That's the curse that's killing her.I had a theory that the injection site on her back was actually from a failed attempt by Yushohi to kill her and unrelated to her current curse, but anons called me retarded.What concerns me more is Furykov's theory that if Benjamin dies, a curse recoil will kill himself. If that's true, then shouldn't Momoze, Sale-sale and Kacho's deaths have each killed one or two people? I don't remember anyone randomly croaking. If they were already dead, then why didn't those princes die earlier?
>>289287748Changing the shape of aura is considered transmutation
>>289286286>Tyson ends the Succession War by making everyone read her bookReaction?
>>289287799>herAnon.
>>289287785maybe it just takes a while for the curse/rebound to killor perhaps longhi is just wrong about all of the curses targetting princes
>>289287679In my original post >>289284745 I never called toriko guy an idiot, I explained that its not likely togashi got the idea from toriko cuz he was introducing elements of the DC in the hxh world before toriko started. And I even agreed that toriko likely influenced how togashi wrote about the DC after it started.I am now calling YOU an idiot for your bizarre superiority complex, acting like your high iq for noticing similarities between shonen manga when literally everyone on this board does that. Everyone talks about togashi copying other manga every thread. Its more likely you specifically were horrible at arguing your case.
>>289287793???????? That's just some exercise We learn that transmutation is transmutaing your aura into something like bungee gum or electricity first, Biscuit is literally training Gon step 1 of transmutation
>>289287832>breaking the tabooan eye wog has been sent to your location, prepare for punishment
Holy shit
>>289287748anon................... hes shaping his aura into a nen dragon.............................. thats transmutation.................
>>289287887>tyson's beast actually makes a genki dama
>>289287887holy moly what is this spoiler
>>289287894I literally don't get this, how does his aura have the property of dragon now? This concept makes no sense
>>289287880Nta, the Chimera Ants do no require the DC to be explained, the story already had magical beasts, it's at best flimsy evidence that the DC existed in Togashi's mind.
>>289287887What the fug is that
>>289287887>my wife had a miscarriage again tier spoiler
>>289287887>just posting spoilers at this pointWhat the fuck is he doing?
>>289287915>>289287931Feitan using Rising Sun on the Whale
>>289287887I fucking won
>>289285962Buddhism teaches you how to fly and fire laser beams?>>289287691Yes...I also said that.
>>289287887Major... im burning up!
>>289287927transmutation is changing the properties of your nen. Shape is a property. Zeno is changing the shape of his nen into a dragon. Make sense?
>>289287887Beyond's curse cannot be this powerful
>>289287942just smart. he knows people will speculate to the ends of earth what the fuck that is
>>289287885If changing the shape of aura isn't transmutation, then what would it be?
>>289287887spirit bomb?
>>289287887>>289287942this is just like when he posted the tree a couple batches ago, only for it to be the tree with sarasas corpse. I hope this hint isnt as devastating
>>289287887That's just a page background
>>289280059fag and dyke
>>289287887Is he pushing to 450??
>>289287887From Sandman>No. 432: Inking of the characters is complete.>No. 433: Started inking the characters. [BTW, The sheet at the top is not manga manuscript. It is a *screen tone sheet* made by I-C Inc company].>Its product number is S-987. The printed pattern shows light, energy, impact, or a strong dramatic effect. Manga artists cut out the part they need and stick it onto the original manga artwork.
Sukuna vs Meruem who wins
>>289288040cute
>>289286760Mascher probably already does that, so ask him.>>289286818How does Rice tell Halkenburg where Luzurus is? How can he guarantee Luzurus just stands there?
>>289287942Lmaoooo you gotta look up the history of thisHe used to post with just a sheet of paper over some of the upcoming chapter pages. People started editing the photo lighting and were able to piece together what was under the paper.It’s how we already knew Nasubi would be in 413.Phantom troupe is confirmed 425
>>289287945That's such a fucking bad idea holy shitNobunaga says they're not out to destroy the world and then Feitan goes and nukes a section of the ship
>>289287978Shape is like an intrinsic property, transumtation is changing nen's feature or qualityJust because something is the shape of a dragon doesn't mean its a dragon. Zeno's dragon lance had no property of a dragon other than its shapeWhile Hisoka's aura has essential properties of rubber and gumKillua's aura is literally electricityBiscuit literally turns herself into a little girl Dragon Lance has no properties like other transmuters we see>>289287998Thats not the point, Zeno isn't just changing the shape of his aura, he is emitting it like a ki blast then controlling its trajectory. Its like 10% transmutation and 90% shooting his aura at people
>>289288125>How does Rice tell Halkenburg where Luzurus is? How can he guarantee Luzurus just stands there?Pretty much every time Luzurus shows up, he's sitting on a couch in his room. I don't think it'd be hard to get a clear shot on him if he spends most of his time just chilling there.
>>289288184It's either him or the manlet.Those two are missing when martial law starts, and one of them probably has to do with being possessed.
>>289287887zhangbros... we got this...
>>289288183>Biscuit literally turns herself into a little girlHow is a physical transformation caused by changing the property of one's nen?>Zeno isn't just changing the shape of his aura, he is emitting it like a ki blast then controlling its trajectory. Its like 10% transmutation and 90% shooting his aura at people.So you concede that changing the shape of aura is transmutation, then?If you actually read the Zoldycks vs. Chrollo fight, it seems pretty clear that he doesn't ever disconnect his Dragon Lance hatsu from his body, so it's not emission.
>>289288154I get the feeling that Phinks and Feitan don't really give a shit about what Nobunaga says
>>289280059>432 and 433 inking donePain packer bros ... we'll be eating good one day
>tfw you realize if Kurapika was entirely removed from this arc, it would get exponentially better
>>289288125>How does Rice tell Halkenburg where Luzurus is?Halkenburg has already possessed a bunch of different soldiers with earpieces. He could use them on a different frequency to communicate with his followers, and he can also listen in to Ben's orders.Also, if Ulma is indeed loyal to Halkenburg then she can pass on his orders to her guards that are stationed with the lower ranked Princes.
>>289288055Post-Rose Meruem's Ren made Pouf and Youpi think that he could win any battle through sheer quantity of aura alone, his Royal Guards.And Meruem never put in any serious effort and with a handicap he was ripping a master enhancer limb from limb meanwhile Sukuna at a fraction of his CE reserves was getting boxed up by fighters far inferior than him.
>>289288259What kind of ibuprofen is bro taking? That shit's got him pumping out chapters
>>289288055Sukuna with the WCS
>>289287887Togashi uses that type of background for things like decisive inner monologue, important action events or major revelations. 20 chapters from now would be pointless to predict, it really could be anything.
>>289288390If he does the invisible, hand signless one he would have to aim for the head first shot since CAs can tank any fatal injury for a full day.
>>289288251Changing the shape is like the most inessential part of transmutation. Razor turns his nen into the shape of balls and Franklin turns his nen into the shape of bullets but these are clearly not transmutation. You cannot just say the shape changed therefore its transmutation. In a vacuum of only what Biscuit says to Gon, maybe. But from what we know transmute and emission do, no way. You are taking transmutation too weirdly. Biscuit is transmuting herself into a little girl. That snake zodiac girl is transmuting her arms into snakes. I guess you can also say Biscuit is a manipulator but we see no vehicle in which Biscuit manipulates herself like Illumi. I don't want to completely shit post and say Biscuit's nen has the property of little and girl but that's literally what we are seeing.
>>289288367Maybe someone gave him highest quality Colombian happy powder, and he's foregone his pain and has trascended his fleshy limitations.Or he's slowly been feeding us AI done drawings
>>289288278>remove KurapikaThere goes our weekly 35-page Nen TED TalkHumanity isn't ready for that loss
>>289287887Machi will unleash her planet move on Hisoka
>>289288499>Or he's slowly been feeding us AI done drawingsNo wonder the new designs have terminal One Piss syndrome
>>289288477>Biscuit is transmuting herself into a little girlNTA but you had me until that point. I don't think Bisky's transformation is easy to pinpoint, but there's no it's transmutation. How would that work? Enhancement, Conjuration, Manipulation, those I can see being what creates her loli form. Transmztign her aura doesn't make sense for that, because there's no property you can give your aura that would make you 12.
>>289288278There would be no emotional tether to Tserrienich then and he would just be a wacky Patrick Bateman dude who has more potential than Gon and Killua
Excuse me people of /hxh/ to prompt in unannounced. There is one of your boys having a temper tantrum in /opg/ (again). Cam you please pick him up and giving rudimentary relaxing session with chicken nuggies and choccie milk? Thanks you.
>>289288624Oh, that emotional tether 15 years in the making, yeah, really important and vitall for my enjoyment of the arc thus far.
>>289288477>CHANGING the shape is like the most inessential part of transmutation"Transmutation" in Japanese is literally CHANGE."Emission" is RELEASE.If you don't let go you're not releasing.
>>289288662Fuck off, warm pisser, we deal with retards from your threads all the time.
>>289287785>The evil spirits are a natural phenomenoI don't buy that, no.Fuugetsu has a curse mark on her body.
>>289288055sukuna with mahoraga or WCS could win
Machi makes me have a lot of emissions if you know what I mean
>>289288477gon shaping his jaken scissor is what then. He shapes his aura into a sword and cuts stuff. Bisky shaping her aura into numbers is literally described as a transmutation exercise, and thats how she teachs gon the skill to make janken scissor. You deliberately igonre this for some reason. Zeno shaping his aura into a dragon is no different. Why are you even here if cant understand the basics of what nen does??????Also for the record, biscuit transmutes her aura into lotion, and cookie chan is a conjured nen beast that messages the lotion in. Her transformation into a little girl happened unconsciously, and she herself is unaware of what nen principles exactly made it happen. Its never been confirmed transmutation
>>289288055Sukuna if pre rose, Meruem otherwise.
>>289288678Tsk, tsk. I am not a One Piecer, I am a Baki enjoyer. And until now, I was enjoying /opg/ until you came sperging out. So now I'm asking your big brothers and sisters to pick you up.
>/hxh/>/opg/
>>289288759>incoherent ramblingsJust don't shit up the thread, we had a good one going.
>>289288259I think he posted that exact same sphere thing before
>>289286341I wonder if this is a function baked into Musse's ability, a product of the ability going post-mortem, or Benjamin being a specialist somehow influencing the ability. Musse's left eye always being wigged out would tell me he's used his ability for such a long time that it's permanently stuck that way. Benjamin's eye also gets wide in the same way when viewing Camilla. And so far all Benjamin has done is view backwards along that Owl's lifespan to the moment it was activated so it's not full on specialization. More like winding back bodycam footage. Because unlike a character like Killua finding more uses for their ability by studying more about nen, or Dogman upgrading his ability through gaining more nen levels through contagion. I don't think for the few days Benjamin has had Musse's ability he's done anything to really justify seeing back along the Owl's records so it's gotta be either a known mechanism or something to do with his Benjamin Baton.
>>289288715Gon is giving his aura the property of sharpness, essential property, notice his aura doesn't have a keen edge like a sword, his aura has transmuted its property
>>289288835Then stop shitting One Piece ones and we have a deal, alright? The cards are in your hands, now.
>>289288613isnt that the same thing Menthuthuyoupi does though? he's a transmuter too right
>>289287423>This makes sense because Hisoka has to bear the weight of the increasing force.I think it's more to do with the same thing as Machi as stated >>289287386. Neither of them are going to be the best with emissions so their abilities lose some of the effectiveness with the transmuted effect once they separate their aura. That both are stuck with the burden of whatever they are tangling up while their aura is connected to them is just a side consideration. Maybe it acts as a boost like how Gon gets one for being in a Ko state during his windup, but it's unintentional at best.
>>289288898Youpi's ability to change his body could be because he was made from magical beasts.Transmuters have 80% affinity in conjuration anyways, so if body transformation is under conjuration, then it still makes sense that transmuters could do it.
>>289287372You're being reductive. It's not "there's an undiscovered dangerous place", lots of stories have that, it's the "the world as we know it is actually just a small piece of a bigger world which is dangerous". How is that a simple storytelling trope?>>289287880I've been posting on /a/ since 2006 and for Hunter x Hunter specifically since 2007. No - people are NOT receptive to the idea that a series they like might have been inspired by a series they don't. I just looked up on desuarchive some of my posts over the years and no, anons were not biting. I made the HxH JJBA villain comparison in 2017 and the only responses I got were negative. It wasn't until Tserriednich used King Crimson that people started coming around to it, but even then, most people were willing to admit Tserriednich was inspired by Diavolo, but not the others. People REALLY do not like it if you compare Meruem to Cars. They immediately come running at you with, "HE'S CELL NIGGA ARE YOU RETARDED?" because as far as anons are concerned, a character can't be inspired by multiple other characters.You might be right that I didn't argue my points clearly or iron out the details, but that's because - contrary to you thinking I have a superiority complex - I don't know the full truth of these observations, so I like sharing them with people to see if they can twist them into something even more accurate, or maybe they know way more than me. But most of the time anons react negatively to those kinds of comparisons and you need look no further than these threads: every single thread this batch has had people shitting on OP for no reason and now, YOU yourself are denying the Toriko inspiration. You're literally doing the thing you claim every single anon does NOT do.So no, you're wrong.
>>289288893>control what random anons do online, ok?You know you can just ignore shitposters, right?
>>289288898Youpi is a transmuter, but his shapeshifting is a biological process. Comes from being made out of magical beasts (creatures similar to the kiriko Gon and co. met in the Hunter Exam) rather than humans.Transmutation for Youpi instead explains a different thing: his rage explosions. He must've been transmuting his aura into blasts with the subconscious condition that he needs to feel rage to unleash them. Basically a slightly different Genthru, though much stronger because Chimera Ant.
>>289288859>>289286341I assumed that Musse's ability just becomes more potent the longer it's stuck to a single person.So on first contact you can spy on them, but if you manage to keep the owl on them for 3 days you can view the past like security footage. And perhaps if the owl is stuck to a single person for a month you unlock additional insights, like reading their mind or knowledge of their ability, for example. But if you switch to another person the ability is reset, and all you'll have is basic observation to start with.So the owl hasn't been permanently upgraded by Benjamin, but rather he's met existing conditions to access more functionality by keeping the owl fixed in Cammy for such a long time.
>>289288967And where is the fun in that?
Both Biscuit and Melody are going to score during this arc. Finding someone who is into steroid junkie gorilla women and mutant ugly dwarfs on the same ship, what were the chances?
>>289289003>please control your retard>just ignore him>where is the fun in thatOk? Why come here then? Go have fun, bakibro.
>>289286818>Halk's dialogue indicates that he has ALREADY fired a METAPHORICAL arrow (Furykov) at BenjaminI have 0 clue of what's that supposed to mean.
>>289288993Given we also have Rihan, Fuykov, and Yushiho in Benjamin's crew with timer-based abilities that operate better or at all the longer they can build up. Along with powers like Hellfruit which need time as well. I agree with your assessment anon. I think this is also something innate to Musse's ability.
>>289289027I just came saying an amical hello. HxHbro. It's just me being polite.
>>289289015Melody will kill herself and the majority of the Black Whale by playing the the Sonata of Darkness over the loudspeekers. The second banquet was foreshadowing.
>>289288951>You're being reductive.I'm simply unfamiliar with Toriko and I was hoping to be provided with a more clear explanation on why you believed that was Togashi's inspiration. I am satisfied enough with your explanation.
>>289289099>tfw this pic is like 8 years old now
shizuku chapter next week
>>289288694Melody said she can't see what's possessing her. After mentioning the evil spirits twice.>>289288859Pitou upgraded Dr. Blythe by using it a lot. Benjamin said he's been using Secret Window a lot. I don't see what's problematic here.
>>289289043Halkenburg isn't targeting Ben with his ability in the attached page. Halkenburg has already fired an "arrow" at Ben, and now he's targeting somebody different with his ability. The "arrow" that has been fired at Ben is the poison delivered by Fuykov. It is a metaphorical arrow, which is why "arrow" is in quotation marks.Anon's in the last thread were insisting that Benjamin was the target of the GSB attack that Halkenburg was charging in the chapter, but Halkenburg has no reason to target Ben because Ben is already dying. Halkenburg and Ulma have poised Ben, an "arrow" has already been fired towards him, and so Halkenburg is targeting somebody else with his ability.
>>289289061Cool, you should pick up HxH too at some point.
>>289289210>I don't see what's problematic herePitou just got faster with it while admittedly being very unfocused to the point the ability forces her to be in Zetsu to even function. Secret Window only let Benjamin see the present of the target but is now letting him move backwards along the life of the nen construct. It's different enough to warrant splitting hairs over how leveling up works in this context.
>>289288991Youpi's abilty to transform is a Nen ability. The first panel in which we see Youpi's aura is also the first time he ever transformations, and the narrator stated that his transformations as well as his explosions depleted his aura over the course of his battles during the invasion. Meruem also inherited Youpi's ability to transform after he absorbed his aura. So Youpi's ability to transform is definitely a Nen ability, not purely biological.
>>289289282Ontologically its very hard to tell where the line of conjuration, transmutation and biological ability cross in HxH. I'm sure Youpi is transmuting his flesh but he also conjures a Canon onto his arm. I think Youpi's transformation is mainly transmuting too. But he is obviously aided by his biology or else more people would be like Youpi. But trying to classify it more broadly is hard because people who transform their bodies are nearly perfectly a 50/50 split between conjuration and transmutation
>>289285335The evil spirits aren't from the curse, they're just things that exist and are being attracted to herI think Beyond's curse must be something way more powerful than what's affecting her
>>289289273I figured the skill just enhances the longer he keeps peeping on a target.
>>289288951>YOU yourself are denying the Toriko inspiration. You're literally doing the thing you claim every single anon does NOT do.Me disagreeing with someone and offering counter evidence is not the same as calling them a idiot and dismissing their points without a explanation (which i never did). And for the record thats not what I was claiming. What I was claiming is that its very common for others to point out when togashi copies something and you doing so doesnt make you high iq like your initial post stated. You prob just are shit at arguing your case (which you passively admitted). People point out togashis influences literally all the time in these threads without instant hostility. If you get this mad over people calling you a idiot to the point you believe the content of this response, you probably are actually a idiot. I never even did what your accusing me of.
>>289289428In Youpi's case you may never be able to find that line. But it's easier with humans because we inherently know what's generally possible for a human, therefore deviations can easily be classified into Nen categories.
it's pretty fucking sad that Sale Sale was offed
>>289289099I'm actually not the Toriko anon, I'm ambivalent to that specific argument. Just the idea that "anons are receptive to being told their favorite series is inspired by some other contemporary series" threw me for a fucking loop. I wish I knew where those anons posted because it's not here. Especially not Hunter x Hunter threads since so many Hunter x Hunter fans think of themselves as being "above battle shounen".>>289289273It could be a function of Secret Window we just didn't know about until now, but I actually don't think those two things are that different. Part of the reason fans over the years have been icy towards the idea of Hatsus having varying power levels is because so many of them are designed to do an absolute function and it's said they require conditions and restrictions and this all makes it seem like they're being balanced around some universal standard, like it's difficult for many fans to imagine what a weaker or stronger Memory Bomb or Perfect Plan looks like. Dr. Blythe healing people faster is an expected power up that should probably come with getting more familiar with your ability, but what would Secret Window look like after training? What would it look like when he first made it? I don't think it's unreasonable to think that it could naturally progress in such a way as gaining new features. Back in Yorknew, Kurapika is described as potentially being a Level 4 Emitter, and due to his 40% proficiency, he's weaker than a natural Level 4 Emitter. Are you sure this isn't just Secret Window going from one level to the next? If not, what would that look like?But I think the idea it's a normal feature of the ability sounds plausible, too.
>>289289494So close...
>>289288871>Gon is giving his aura the property of sharpness, essential property, notice his aura doesn't have a keen edge like a sword, his aura has transmuted And what else is he doing? Thats not all that goes into scissor what else is there? What nen category is he using to shape it the way he does? come on anon you can do it...........................
>>289289538i want Bisky chama to punish Rihan and the other mosquito guard that i cannot remember his name
>>289287116https://voraciousdrake.wordpress.com/2026/07/10/hxh-413-fealty/
>>289289428Transmutation changes aura, not physical matter. The narrator says Youpi can transform his body because he's made up of magical beasts. Changing matter is clearly Conjuration: you're conjuring something at the cost of something. People see "Transmutation" and think Fullmetal Alchemist, but that's not it.In Hunter x Hunter the word is Henka, which broadly means transformation; it can mean metamorphosis or makeover; it's probably most accurately translated as transition. It's a word that gets used to describe people's personality or the weather changing over time. Fullmetal Alchemist uses Rensei, which means training or strengthening, but gets used in fantasy to refer to alchemical synthesis.Back in the day, HxH fans called it Transformation, but I can't tell if that's better or worse.
>>289289562I already said its transmutation, but just because he is shaping his aura to look like a sword doesn't mean its a transmutation ability. Its honestly weird you are even trying to argue this because there are like 4 emitters who shape their aura into things while the only other transmuters who shapes their aura is that ghost looking guy from heavens arena . (Hanzo too I guess he shapes his aura into himself but imo this is more of an emission ability too)
>>289289428>>289288944but bisky literally is smaller after transforming, how is that conjuration? it seems to me more like she's changing the properties of her flesh to be smaller and weaker. although idk if that is really transmutation or not, maybe reverse enhancement or something
>>289289240>because Ben is already dyingDoes Halk actually know that though? What if Unma acted on her own?
Next chapter is just a montage of Ben's men getting killed, starting with that one in Maryam's room getting his asshole gaped by Bisky's fist
>>289289661Its just you cannot say this so confidently because there are 4 transmuters who change their body into things and 4 conjurers who change their body into things, Togashi's own classification system is completely split on what transforming your body classifies as.
>>289289515>like it's difficult for many fans to imagine what a weaker or stronger Memory Bomb or Perfect Plan looks like.To be fair, I think some of these abilities don't emerge gradually but suddenly after the user has reached multiple milestones in their nen education and training. Memory Bomb would only arise after Paku has established the basic rules of her Psychometry, then she has to learn how to compartmentalize those memories (probably a combination of emissions + manipulation) but she further creates a vehicle for these with conjuration. Maybe there was an earlier form where she used her hands to transmit memories back but we'll never know exactly. All we know is that she's likely using an esoteric property of manipulation to delete overlapping memories alongside embedding them by combining it with her specialization, emissions, and conjuration. We did see a more gradual evolution of a complex hatsu with Killua, and also got to see Gon actively develop his Jajanken's phases. >but what would Secret Window look like after training? What would it look like when he first made it?He has 3 owls and a theme of extending his senses with them. The first one we see is much rougher in appearance and only let him hear from a distance. It's unknown if he needed to touch anyone before like he had with his 2nd owl. But I can extrapolate that he still needed to extend the range he can maintain his birds, along with making different ones to handle other use cases. Those same owls might further be upgraded with stuff like seeing backwards along it's lifespan as he gets even more proficient. It is a largely unexplored aspect of nen at the end of the day.
>>289289596Only Rihan stood in his way
>>289289714that heil-ly guy turning is hands into weapons is somehow conjuration, so who the fuck knows how this stuff works?I think the real answer is that togashi doesnt care about nen categories nearly as much as we do, so he's willing to let things be ambiguous
i'm dumb and caught up to the manga with a long youtube recap just recently, how is Benjamin planning to keep existing even after his death exactly? i don't follow
>>289289515Musse has different types of owl. Going from one level to the next would be like adding an additional owl with a new ability and new conditions. Like when Kuripika "levels up" he added Dolphin Chain to his existing abilities. But I could imagine Kuripika practicing his Healing Thumb to make it more and more potent as an alternate "leveling up". Likewise, Musse could add additional functions to existing owls after intense training, or allow the owls to function at a greater range or whatever.The problem is that I always felt that Nen was supposed to be difficult. Learning a hatsu takes months of effort and training, and that's if you're talented. An average nen user should spend years of effort just to get their first ability. Think about Killua, a supposed one in ten million talent. He started developing his electricity hatsu before Greed Island. Then, he spends months training with Biscuit, an unknown amount of time training with Kite, another month training with Knuckle, and then weeks of life and death fighting against ants. That's an insane level of effort to get a hatsu.Even Kuripika (who I think is more talented then Gon and Killua) is described obsessing over chains like a madman, even sleeping with and licking them, all to conjure his first chain. So the idea that Benjamin could just develop a new ability for Secret Window in a few days of use seems ridiculous in comparison, epically when that new ability has no additional conditions or restrictions.The counter argument for all of this is that Morena has 20 people hatsu's in the span of a couple days. Specialist are just bullshit and break the entire system of nen, so it's entirely possible Benjamin as an "upgrade" function to his Baton ability. Actually, I just remembered that Cheetu improvised a new ability on the spot, so what the fuck. Maybe Killua and Gon are just nen retards after all, and making and improving hatsu is super easy.
>>289289827>i'm dumb and caught up to the manga with a long youtube recap just recentlysomehow worse than even a speedreaderdo it properly, nigger
>>289289827His nen beast has that type of ability
>>289289827You're so god damn stupid. Maybe if you read the latest leaks you'd know, but its too much to ask for the likes of you.
>>289289835cheetu is simply the most talented nen user to ever existunfortunately this fact was balanced out by his crippling retardation
>>289289765I agree it’s not consistent.
>>289289872i'll look for more information on the beast, appreciate it
>>289289835Cheetu was getting new abilities from Pouf iirc
>>289289835>The counter argument for all of this is that Morena has 20 people hatsu's in the span of a couple days.But not even Chrollo got a new power from Sun and Moon when it lingered after death. All that happened is that the persistence of the ability became immutable and it got a mixed interaction with Skill Hunter (or really any ability where something would normally disappear when deactivated). Benjamin doesn't have this as the stated reason so I think Musse's power just had a capability based on duration active on a single target.
>>289289911he's talking about the crossbow he conjured to try to shoot morelpouf definitely did not give him that
I never stopped to think about it, but Nasubi is almost certainly a nen user too, right? I wonder what his ability is.
>>289289911Yeah, all the Chimera Ants that had abilities were granted them by Pouf. They were using the same method they were using for the "selection", but when it's used on Ants it awakens abilities instead.
>>289289613>I’ll sear it into your memories!! The sight of me killing you, that is!!Funny phrasing because Tse will most likely see himself being killed by Benjamin, but won't die
>>289289929His ability is that his cock is always noticably larger than any other person's in the room. Also, he can summon face-hiding shadows and nut on demand.
>>289289701>but just because he is shaping his aura to look like a sword doesn't mean its a transmutation ability................... thats like saying just because gon is punching hard with jaken rock its not enchancement >Its honestly weird you are even trying to argue this because there are like 4 emitters who shape their aura into things while the only other transmuters who shapes their aura is that ghost looking guy from heavens arena . (Hanzo too I guess he shapes his aura into himself but imo this is more of an emission ability too).....................except bisky does it constantly and explains its a transmuter technique................ and hisoka shapes his aura into a brand new face...............also the dragon....
>>289289808>linked closely to his libido>seen three situations where it goes into hidingoh, so it's when he cums. imagine being such a horndog your Stand has a refractory period.
>>289289765it should be noted that the manga itself never states what exactly youpi is doing.I find the non manga sources like guidebooks a bit sketchy as far as determining a character's nen abilities.we also see a nen master like netero use conjuration even though it should be his weakest affinity.clearly the highest skilled users can mix and match Ben categories to create more complex and powerful skills
>>289289719It's possible Unma acter alone, but we see her and Halkenburg scheming together in chapter 403. This is right after Halkenburg possess Balsamilco.I'm guessing this is when Halkenburg comes up with the plan to poison Benjamin and tells Unma what to do. There's no point in showing this conversation between Halk and Unma unless they're coordinating. Which might mean Halkenburg knows about Beyond's cursed children? Or did Halkenburg just tell her to kill Ben, and only Unma knows about Beyond's plans? Honestly this shit is too complicated.
>>289289908There's not much to know, it just got revealed to us, but not fully
>>289289765transmutation and conjuration are right next to each other. Its not inconsistent, you are supposed to use your brain and infer that they can use similar abilities cuz they have a high affinity in both
>>289284938legitimately actually OP geneticsI wonder, given how weirdly sex themed the king's beast is, if it played a part in getting him the perfect partner or something the first time, and then everything after that was for funzies.
>>289289701>but just because he is shaping his aura to look like a sword doesn't mean its a transmutation ability.Since aura isn't even angular like Scissor as a norm, nor is aura "sharp" either as a default. What else can Gon be using here? > Its honestly weird you are even trying to argue this because there are like 4 emitters who shape their aura into thingsSimple answer is just that any time someone is shaping aura beyond a lumpy ball it's using transmutation anon. Biscuit back on GI showed that even making numbers or other simple shapes is transmutation and stuff like Ging's pip play is advanced transmutation. Stuff like Machi's strings are transmuted because aura doesn't normally look like thin strands. And even Nobunaga in the last batch shaped his aura into a sword tip to replace part of his broken blade. Shaping aura is supposed to be a basic skill so no wonder other people put more effort into it to make their aura at least aesthetic to their ability.
>>289289983It does make more sense for Halk to have coordinated with Unma and be aware of everything, but if that's really the case I don't appreciate Togashi using such a confusing term to refer to Benjamin being atacked when Halk is about is aiming to fire a literal arrow
>>289289967>Ben categories
>>289289983I feel like Halkenburg's statement in the last chapter was purposefully misleading. The arrow fired at Benjamin is what Unma did.The target of his own arrow is unknown
>>289287379>>289287386unrelated but the length of the nen thread bearing 1000kg is less than 1 meter not one millimeter according to this translation.https://manhuabuddy.com/manhwa/hunter-x-hunter/chapter-78-ch392928
>>289290054Uhh nevermind that's what you originally said anyway.Somehow that was my first assumption when reading that scene. That the shot has already been taken at Ben, but the arrow he is using here is experimental, for an unknown purpose that will further advance his plan.He might end up doing something very radical and unexpected in order to obtain a permanent body with no consciousness to fight against
>>289289701I mean, it's pretty cut and dry: level 1 Transmuter training is shaping your aura into numbers. Why would that be Transmuter training if it's not Transmutation? The answer is that it IS Transmutation. And Gon does it during Scissors for that reason.>just because he is shaping his aura to look like a sword doesn't mean its a transmutation abilityI mean, that's semantics. Abilities tend to use multiple categories, especially if you're an experienced Nen user, so calling something an "Emission ability" or "Manipulation ability" is really just for the sake of brevity. Jajanken is an Enhancer ability because Gon is an Enhancer meaning both the Enhancement portion of the ability is what he's best at and uses the most and the other two portions of the ability use an Enhancer's second strongest types. If Killua created Jajanken, mostly using Scissors, sometimes using Rock but basically never using Paper, would you still call it an Enhancement ability? There isn't a good answer for that since labels by definition are arbitrary.>>289289765>there are 4 transmuters who change their body into thingsBiscuit, Youpi and who? But Youpi's transformations are literally explained by the narrator as being due to him being made of magical beasts.>Togashi's own classification system is completely splitWell, that happens when the two are next to each other. It happens even sometimes when they aren't (Emitters using Transmutation, Conjurers using Manipulation, etc.)
>>289289997i see
Didn’t expect Halk to be so pathetic and work with Unma who is clearly sus
Alright anons, place your bets.Who's getting folded next week?
One thing nobody has mentioned is that Ben's plan is doomed to fail. >his soul is alive in a body, his rights to succession are not lostAccording to King Nasubi, Halkenburg is still in the Succession War because he's still in a flesh body, but Kachu isn't because she's a GSB.If Ben becomes a GSB too then he'll count as being dead.>>289290036>I don't appreciate Togashi using such a confusing term to refer to Benjamin being atacked when Halk is about is aiming to fire a literal arrowI agree. I think this entire chapter was needlessly confusing. Benjamin becoming a nen god or whatever seems completely out of left field, and it doesn't at all fit with his internal monologue in the flash-forward chapter. Putting his illegitimate son on the throne makes no sense if he's going to rule as a God King.Also, Unma has Benjamin's son, right? Why would he want to push for that kid when Unma has custody, and she just had him murdered? This whole chapter feels like a retcon.
>>289290238Benjamin knows he’s going to die, he’s not trying to rule. He’s trying to become the pillar of the succession war for millennia and have his son be the first king post him becoming the pillar
I know this martial law stuff is cool and all, but can we go back to killing babies?
>>289290224Soldiers and guards will start dropping like flies next chapter.I doubt Cammy will die in just one chapter, but she really should. She's retarded, in a terrible position, outnumbered, marked by Secret Window, and her ability is exposed. If she lives it'll be because of plot armor and I'll rage in next week's thread.
>>289289835I'm sure there's some level of RNG involved - or rather, it's a complex combination of minute details that are impossible for us to properly quantify. Cheetu created a new ability on the spot out of stress, but I mean, it wasn't an ability worth writing home about. It's not like he created Tag on the spot, it was just a crossbow.>>289290036I wanted to say this earlier but was afraid of making people mad. I don't think this chapter was written in the best way possible and Halkenburg firing a metaphorical arrow at the same time he fires a literal arrow is not the kind of twist that gets people jumping out of their seats.
I feel like I understood this chapter, but I understand it in the same way I understand a puzzle after looking at the original picture even though all the pieces are still separated.Like, I get the basic shit but a lot of it feels like mush that should be explained properly in later chapters
>>289290273His original idea was to rule for a time and then become a guardian deity while passing the throne to his son.The poisoning simply made him go straight to passing the throne over to the son, but he needs to win the contest first in order to legitimize his son as his heir.It's not particularly confusing in my opinion.
>>289290327> I don't think this chapter was written in the best way possibleThat is true, unless later chapters make it make more sense. But it was “hype” so nobody seemed to give a fuck. Makes it clear where the fanbases priority is.
>>289290327It's written for the people who understand that Halkenburg is not a retard. He's pulling off an elaborate scheme to put Benjamin down.
>>289284581Western artists just pretend they do, they reference out the ass and don't always credit. Asians have more of a culture of minding their own business, but they're very proprietal, a lot of Japanese artists nuke their accounts if they see their stuff posted on other sites.>>289281584I don't have a problem with Toriko, but I genuinely think Togashi had DC planned for a while because of that panel with Ging riding a monster on a monster, and the idea itself would've come from Yu Yu Hakusho's demon world, it's one of those things he couldn't properly execute that he wanted to in HxH. I think demon world itself was inspired by Devil Man's general setting, this is what DC seems to feel like for people. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAWczh2fxPk
>>289281680His rap song would have unironically changed the world, taken too soon
The entire chapter makes sense. It’s just that it’s very condensed. This chapter should be 1.5 chapters in reality.I don’t get Togashi’s pacing sometimes .Dude spent 2 chapters (1 of pure setup) to reveal a fake baby and then semi-rushes the revelation for martial law.Why?
>>289289929probably some kind thing related to excess like the ability scales the more successful kakin is, or maybe just how fat he is
>>289290327>Halkenburg firing a metaphorical arrow at the same time he fires a literal arrow is not the kind of twist that gets people jumping out of their seatsHere's what I think will happen>Halkenburg fires his arrow offscreen>We don't see what happens>Benjamin carries on fine, obviously not possessed>Halkenburg disappears from the narrative>Some minor character or Prince (probably Luzurus as per >>289286818) becomes more and more important over the next dozen chapters>More Princes die>Ben dies>Cammy dies>etc>Minor character is now the frontrunner in the Succession War>Halkenburg forgotten>Sudden reveal that minor character was actually Halkenburg all along>Flashback to this chapter explaining everything
>>289290478Kurapika is very deliberate.Ben's whole situation is meant to be just uncontrolled chaos
>>289290444The V5 and the Hunters would have BTFO'd Sale within the month
>>289290478He might have written the last 2 chapters before the latest hiatus. But then he realized he'll never finish this shit with that slow pacing so he's rushing through martial law to speed things up
>>289290509It would be contrived if Halkenburg changed bodies again
>>289290554If we go by Twitter this chapter was written like 1-2 years ago
>>289290599Also Togashi is outlining ahead of time. One of the reasons for the last hiatus was because he said he needed to review his outline for the next 50 chapters. So he’s minimum 50 chapters ahead in terms of chapter outline.
>>289290509Main problem with that is that Halk would need to have learnt how to guarante he's using his own soul for this, it was a complete accident he ended up inside Balsalmico,it'd be weird if he just rolled himself 2 arrows in a row. >>289290576Not really, "Where the fuck is Halkenburg" is something anyone can imagine happening from the moment it was shown he was able to swap his own soul.
>>289290576I hope the Succession War never become contrived
If we count this batch as twenty chapters there are enough chapters for the anime to come back for a full season.I absolutely expect that to happen (too much money to be made).
>>289290355>>289290384Sure, future chapters will reveal what Halkenburg's doing and what Benjamin's GSB really does, but I have a bigger problem with the setup. Furykov has a cool ability, but it sounds like it just sort of works, which is rare for Nen abilities, they usually have something going on for us to look at. It also wasn't really foreshadowed. Yes, when he was introduced it was implied he's useful for analyzing Nen, but Togashi then proceeded to show him analyzing Nen like a normal person, by just watching and thinking. Now it's like, "Surprise! He also has an ABILITY that does that!" Oh. Okay. I guess. But if he has an ability that does it naturally, why waste time thinking about it? He's not Rihan. It feels like a big reveal but its only setup was misleading in a way that doesn't make sense in retrospect.And I'm afraid that'll also happen with Halkenburg's arrow comment. When it gets revealed he was talking about a metaphorical arrow being shot at Benjamin while shooting a real arrow at someone else, people are going to groan and wrinkle their nose. That'd be like showing a scientist holding a baby and going, "You're my most precious creation," and then later showing the scene again but pulling out to reveal he was actually talking about a death laser on the other side of the room. People don't like those kinds of "twists".I still enjoyed the chapter and I'm happy to see someone do something other than sit in a room navel gazing but the chapter just felt like it was something that needed to happen in order for martial law to kick off, so a lot was dumped on us at once instead of it being spread out earlier in the story. Couldn't we have at the very least gotten a moment of Furykov looking like he was struggling with something? Or a panel that foreshadows him being a Beyond baby? This development just feels too perfunctory.
>>289290675. You know those classic 19th century English lit masters like dickens or gaskell? This arc is really starting to remind me of those serialized/magazine literature classics of the past. Hell, even Dostoevsky published in monthly serials.Those works were messy at times.So I’m not shocked this arc can get messy despite all of Togashi’s time off z
What if chapters 414-420 all feature the prince that Togashi drew for them on Xitter? 414 being Benjamin, 415 Camilla, and so on.
>>289289538We got cheated swinko-swinkobros...
>>289290729>Couldn't we have at the very least gotten a moment of Furykov looking like he was struggling with something? Or a panel that foreshadows him being a Beyond baby? This development just feels too perfunctory.I mean , I agree completely. Like this chapter is a big step in Furykov’s character but Togashi skipped all of the subtle buildup that he usually does. He didn’t show any sign of internal conflict, didn’t show any direct signs of using his ability around Benjamin, etc I disagree on the ability thing. His nen analysis is different from his ability and his analysis skills help buildup for his ability .
>>289285848I thought the ability was a clear FMA reference though?
>>289290149Look this whole argument started because someone said Zeno being emission was a retcon. I agree with basically everything you said.I started by saying Zeno's ability is 90% emission 10% transmutation. Very few people have straight easy to classify abilities. You understand the main point I'm trying to make with scissors that we have no idea why it cuts things. Its just straight not a pure transmutation ability, but deff its > 50% transmutation. Zeno's ability is > 50% emission in the same way. He is projecting aura from his body. If you think because its still connected to him its transmutation, thats just like, missing the point of dragon lance. I will basically never agree that an ability that doesn't change the property of an aura is transmutation. It doesn't do anything that an emission ability could do. The other transmuters are Worm (very obviously a Biscuit like transformation) and Porcupine (harder to understand why Togashi made him a transmuter)
Threads went from:Martial law!? Benjamin is cooked.To:Martial law!? Why of course prince Benjamin, my future king!
>Togashi has 50 chapters with real brick and mortar outlines and is like two volumes ahead in terms of real chapters ready to go.We might be in for a generational run.
>>289290803>>289290729(Continued).But, as someone who is very critical of shoddy twists for the sake of twists and lack of buildup, this is the first time in the arc where I felt Togashi truly lacked in that department. Even the baby twist is nicely buildup after a reread.There is some buildup for this storyline , but it’s lacking.Hopefully it’s just one weak moment by Togashi that gets Built upon once we learn halkenburgs plan and get more of Unmas thoughts.
Cammy will be the next king since her beast has even more tiddies
>>289290778Hit us with the sauce, nigga.
>>289290921(Continued again). Of course, if furykov is Halkenburg or manipulated by Camilla, then it explains why Furykov’s shit suddenly came out of nowhere. But I put that thought in the same camp as >Melody and ghost girl are tricking Kaizer with the luzurus murder plan
>>289290224no one
>>289290954(Continued) oh wait a second! The suddenness of some of this chapter reminds me a lot of chapter 402 with the melody-Kaizer-luzurus thing! Can’t tell if that’s a sign or not.
>>289290921The only hint was serendipity of him wondering why Longhi was crying and that's something only readers realize after the fact. Isn't that enough. Everything doesn't have to be laid out plainly and nicely.
>>289290714>If we count this batch as twenty chapters ror rumao>there are enough chapters for the anime to come back for a full season.imagine the blueballing and the blowback when people find out it's not a finished arc and is not finishing any time soon. will it reach ASOIAF levels?
Benjamin seems to show a uncharacteristic lack of reaction to the reveal that Furykov is one of Beyond's children and that Beyond is trying to put his child on the throne, did he already know about all that?
Mappa would fumble this arc in the anime.
>>289290319She'll likely survive because they wont realize the cat isnt the bestowed GSB but another one, which ends up being a coercitive manipulator type (lol)
>>289291006Getting this arc in anime gorm would be an experience due the amount of seethe it would cause.
>>289291012A big thing about this arc is characters having big information that we don’t know they have, so I wouldn’t be shocked
>>289290803Furykov being the Beyond baby has no foreshadowing at all. It's completely unpredictable. I never once saw an Anon predict it.Everyone was convinced that Babimyna was a Beyond baby because of his reaction after eavesdropping with En to the curse baby reveal.In retrospect, Babimyna reaction in this page is him figuring out that Furykov is a Beyond baby, and he contemplated telling Furykov, but choose not to.So, Babimyna was willing to do nothing and let Furykov curse Benjamin? Is this confirmation that he'll side with Kuripika against Benjamin?>>289291055>>289291006Rihan's monologuing would take like 10 minutes in the anime.
>>289291034Ben specifically says it's her ability so they know>(The fact that she marched with guns literally blazing to my place by herself suggests that she is a counter- or invincible-type. Both types often activate from being attacked, and it is hard to tell one from the other. However, by monitoring her with Secret Window over a long time without rest, the ability leveled up, and it is now possible to rewind the footage to Musse’s vision right before his death. Camilla is a counter-type!! Her Nen activates post-mortem from being murdered, and robs the killer of their life energy to resurrect herself.
After rereading it’s pretty clear the arrow Halk is talking about for Benjamin is metaphorical, he’s firing at someone else. I don’t see how that’s a confusing big deal. It’s just haleknbrug having a chuuni moment
>literally is smaller after transforming, how is that conjurationShizuku can make matter disappear and reappear as well. Conjuration is the most bullshit normal category. Always has been.
>>289291103Yes they know her aability, but they dont seem to know she has another GSB. Furykov has seen Benj's and deciphered his abilities, but they dont know about Cammy's titties.
>>289291103Furykov can probably decipher what her nen beast does. Provided that they even need to.It might trouble them though
I can already tell this is a chapter that will have some reworking in the anime
>>289291128>Conjuration is the most bullshit normal categoryBut the requirements arent easy: They need a LOT of image training, aka being obsessed (schizos)
>>289290954That Luzurus murder plan is so stupid I completely forgot it was happening. I guess it doesn't matter now that martial law is here
Hear that? It's the sound of a CLOWN thread
>>289291012It could be but I'm also contemplating that this is Ben just going off instinct and in a state of shock, absent any good advice.He seemed uncharacteristically broken at the reveal that his own mother turned on him.He doesn't really have the time to doubt Furykov who is presenting him with a convenient way out.
>>289290778Holy fuck!WOULD
>being able to imagine a colored apple and rotate it means you're a schizo
>>289287887feitanchads?
>>289291232Wonder if he didnt say so himself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PNmLq3aRtY
splitty in the 'log
I bet you need different types of training for what Hinrigh, Kortopi and especially Basho can do.
>>289291184Conjuration and transmutation would be complete nonsense if it weren't for the fact that needing deep knowledge of what you want locks out most easy OP abilities. Elemental attacks, mostly. And Transmuters still need to watch out for backlash, like Genthru needing to use extra aura to cover his hands.
>>289291481Likely, but the only Materialization we've seen training or explaining how they got their power was Kurapika, and his training was designed by Izunavi.>>289291573Or just be builded different like Killua who is pretty much immune to electricity, so he can taze everyone around
>>289291413Ignore the clowntard.
>>289291481Yeah but tulpa training still applies to all of them.
how far divorced must we be from the original kakin dynasty with them allowing non-biological kids to win after so many generations and rounds of the contest
>>289291481Probably the same as Kurapika, just applied to more things the more varied your hatsu. Actually, Basho and Kortopi I can see being exceptions. Basho's main thing is haikus. The effects that accompany them as well, sure, but realistically, you can't get intimate with every effect. I imagine his training focused more on writing haikus and visualizing their effects every time.Kortopi is a similar deal. Gallery Fake not about creating anything in specific, just creation itself. He probably just constantly duped increasingly complicated objects until he could make just about anything.
>>289291261>2011
>>289291596the clowntard is not spoiling anything and made a thread first
>>289291761People like Kortupi, Hinrigh, even Hisoka seem very flexible in how they approach conjuration because they can create a myriad of things on the fly.
>mid greed island Killua was able to not only easily pass the hunter exam but also made sure no one else didHow aren't there nen using Rookie Crushers?
>>289292943Because that's some low ambition shit, you can't develop haki without ambition.
>>289291012Benjamin is kind of gullible, if someone presents a logical, sensible reasoning and path for him to take, he'll probably take it. Balsamico was essentially his handler, and probably would've handled the situation with Furykov a lot better than Benjamin alone.
