>>289279026Storytime threadNow that we're finally done with the Silver Eve Festival let's celebrate and discuss the arc!!Be sure to wear your best brimmed caps, our party has a dress code.
SweetIt was a fun time. I felt the only part that actually felt slow was the latter part of volume 13.
>>289288941Reading it over the course of a few days vs literal years makes a big difference.
One sad part of the arc is that it basically exterminates our chance to ever get a Brimhat Coco.
>>289288912Did anyone point out that Iguin’s mask looks like the memory erasure sigil?
>>289289146A while ago some people made posts about it. Given the obvious similarity, at this point I'm certain his mask and the memory erasing spells are meant to look alike.
>>289289106this was my experience as well
>>289289298Agott's knees would instantly turn to jello if Coco ever looked at her like this.
>Silverwood is an alien parasite from outer spaceUh oh
>>289288657I think the valance leech was one of the magic-made monsters mentioned previously, and crossing two magic spells has unpredictable chaotic effects
>>289289408I wouldn't worry about it.
>UN hat atelier.
>>289289111So you might think, but in reality Tartah is her reason to flip.Coco has not had her sexual awakening, but seeing Tartah in his Brim should be enough, fAgott is not the endgame.
>>289289753Coco was U.N Owen?
Did I miss an explanation of what the hell was Qifrey doing in the chapters he disappeared for?
>>289289517I don’t think magic-made monsters are still magical. They were made by it, but now they’re just critters. Casting fireball on a pegasus or scalewolf isn’t going to shoot it back in time or something.
>>289289873He was anemic because his Silverwood was acting upOr something like that
>>289289873It seemed like he was rendered borderline unconscious being too close to Custas because of their shared silverwood affliction, and he spends the rest of the night trying to find the boy again/find Coco before its too late. But yes, he was missing for a conspicuous length of time. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a later reveal that he did something else in that window of time.
>>289289984The leech touched the guy just as the transformation spell was taking place and shit went all wonky at that point
>>289290021>tree infected people fuck with each other if they get near each otherI think the brimhats might have a few issues trying to bring those seeds into standard use
>>289288912How much do people know about Coco's involvement in the night's events, do you think? Obviously the Wise are fully aware, but the most people think that the counterclock table was Beldaruit's idea or even something that they now claim they had the whole time. Only a couple of people were there when Coco pitched the final plan to rewind the leech, so the Wise can again claim credit for that. The only two things that the Wise can't claim credit for that night are KO-ing Easthies with the sleeping powder (which only a handful of people witnessed and his rampage is NOT something that the Wise will want anyone talking about for obvious reasons, that shit is getting locked down for secrecy) and the final charge to draw the signs on the platforms to spin them around, which Agott and Coco started but ended up being a group effort. So Coco probably gets recognition as a minor hero for 'saving the spell', but I doubt that more than a handful of people know that Coco was the MVP of the whole night or that the whole thing was her idea in the first place.
>>289290081Consider that there is an entire forest of these things, and what must have happened there.
>>289290021How does that work with Inia also having tree arms?
I feel like having to live in constant despair is probably worse than being a tree.
>>289290131What, a bigass orgy?
>>289290290Spoken like someone thats never been a tree.
>>289290117The brim hat infiltrator is probably going to spread the word of Coco's involvement as MVP
I'm really glad that this storytime and the Kengan Omega storytime are running simultaneously. It really highlights that the two series are polar opposites in every way.
>>289290117Even someone like Beldaruit would ultimately view Coco as an ideas girl this night. Most of the fancy spells that she came up with, required someone else's engineering skills to convert to a real product. >please believe my sophistry about counterclock seals and medical magicThen Beldaruit invents the operating table basically all by himself. >we can use a counterclock seal to turn the leech back into a manThen like a dozen witches including MVP Richeh, actually make that into a product. With Coco mostly being notable for having the guts to fly head first into the Leech to spin the platforms back into a ring shape.
>>289292181She also gets points for stopping Easthies' rampage.
>>289292260Easthies wins the Most Cop and a holiday in the dungeons for being a pain to everyone.
Coco and co solving everything makes all the other witches seem pathetic and lame. You'd think the other witches would have their own solutions. The whole thing so far is witches are meant to be problem solvers but then they just spend all the time doing nothing. What are they doing this whole time, especially Beideruit, you'd think he'd have some crazy magic. You think he'd just be like "oh yeah here's my freeze spell and i'm just gonna freeze the whole leech dude instantly". The only exception i'll make is Aggot with the esoteric leech sigil which was a fun call back and was set up as being esoteric.
>>289289111There's still a chance. She might join the brims as a learning experience, not intending to fully cooperate with them but to learn more about forbidden magic.
>>289290117She's probably earned a lot of clout as an apprentice, although I could imagine people whispering about the fact that she pushed to permit something that was previously forbidden magic, which combined with her outsider past makes her a shady character
>>289293312I could see that. Maybe she encounters a less malicious coven of Brimhats? Maybe they approach her offering to help with her mom? I think about a scenario like that a lot.
The real question is how does esthsies get away with attacking and memory wiping the wise chick. The witches are pretty chill about memory wiping but i'd be pissed off. I assume he didn't wipe out all her memories of magic (even if he was trying to hit Coco at the time). Maybe he'll take over the cops and make them more fanatical but that still doesn't excuse indiscriminately attacking random people
>>289294647>I assume he didn't wipe out all her memories of magic (even if he was trying to hit Coco at the time). Maybe he'll take over the cops and make them more fanatical but that still doesn't excuse indiscriminately attacking random peopleIf he completely fried his bosses' brain he'd get mindwiped himself rather than getting a promotion.
>>289289106I do agree with the anon from the storytime thread.I'm really glad that I dropped it years ago and read it all in a couple of days rather than years.
>>289293853I'd want to contrive a way to have her hang out with Iguin personally. Maybe Qifrey's condition gets worse and Iguin offers to teach her how to cure him, or maybe he doesn't know the cure but offers to teach her forbidden magic so that she might find one, and she agrees to go with him on the condition that he doesn't force her to cast forbidden magic unless she wants to.
If there's sigils to target specific things you could in abstract create spells that burned people but not the environment or spells that only acted on certain creatures, y'know like an anti-silverwood spell that only acted on silverwoods, like antibiotics. Just cast disintegration magic + silverwood sigil broI will say in this volume. I was surprised you had to eat the fruit of the silverwood tree, how biblical (atleast thats what they implied). I thought there was going to be a twist that it took over if the ink got mixed in your blood as an abstract punishment for forbidden magic. You'd think the trees were super common considering how easy it seems to be to eat the fruit and spread the tree.
Has there ever been any talk about the quality of ink? This ink is good, this ink is less good?
Coco dressed up for the party!
>>289289111God damn do I feel that.
>>289294761Yeah it makes a world of difference to pacing for so many manga.>>289294907We might be a few years away from even a chance of that considering the brimhat of the next arc looks to be the pretty one here >>289281754
>>289288912The Counterclock Seal reversing causality not just on the entity being rewound, but on the consequences of that entity's reversed actions, is just insane. I know that in this case, the leech being a mutated mix of two entities being unmade probably exacerbated the impact, but even still.
>>289295222Qifrey bullshitted about it to Coco back after the river chapters. To cover up what exactly happened so Coco didn't know. One can assume that he wasn't totally lying about there being different grades of ink.
>>289295479I believe the only one I ever truly enjoyed reading monthly was SnK.Yeah the wait was a pain but theorizing with others was the most fun I ever had, also the arcs were quite quick, like 2-3 years.Near the end I was getting tired of it but the last arc was shit so waiting for it was even more painful.
>>289289111>>289289298>>289295401>>289295432
>>289292776Yeah, our little cadre of girls had an extremely oversized impact on solving this conflict. Shit, Tetia and Richeh basically solved the entire refugee crisis single-handedly, providing shelter and tracking for all dispossessed citizens.
Punished Coco, Destroyer of Balance was obviously the main highlight but I also loved Agott's development.>>289295939It was heavy-handed, but it fits with the overarching theme of the girls having a fresh take on magic due to their situation (Qifrey's unhortodox teaching methods, the secludedness of his atelier, their encounters with brimhats) while general pointed cap society is too set in their rigid ways.
>>289288912Man, reading this arc on volume basis feels so much better.
loco for coco's cocos
>>289295607
>>289296141Its like watching the world's cutest mouse walk into a trap.
>>289296297And she comes out of it as a rugged rat, ready to bring happiness and joy to everyone damn the consequences.
>>289295939>>289296006>boobhehReally, it worked here because what exactly drove Richeh, Tetia, and Coco, to be so ready to deal with crises and wanting to reverse time? The absolute terror they felt dealing with Brimhat bullshit. Tetia invented her sand tent in order to hide from Brimhats and a transformed Euini. Richeh developed her linking rings to because of the fear of being separated when Sasaran attacked. Coco thinks a ton about reversing time to save her mother, who got transformed because of Iguin intentionally handing out landmine spells to ignorant children. Almost all of their overly convenient spells are just solutions to crises that the girls developed because they just experienced some massive trauma and came up with solutions to it. Most witches never experience something that absolutely terrifying that drives them to develop shelter in place spells, or spells to locate lost friends, so their methods of solving crises are less useful in the immediate sense.
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>>289295525I wonder if that works for weapons tooLike, if you cut your finger, does counterclock on the knife heals your finger?If you counterclock a witch's spellbook, does it reverse everything that witch used in the last 24 hours or so? Will the spell still get casted post-rewind?
The truth bangle had retcon'ish vibe. It'd be fun to go back and see if it had any influence on the plot. I don't think Coco was touching Qifrey when he exposition dumped about the silverwood. Considering he mind wiped Olruggio for less i'm surprised he let that go. Custas seemed like a dickhead the whole arc, which makes sense; he's a realistic character in that respect. I also liked Tartahs arc although it seemed like it put him on a death sentence path. He's so interested in the truth he has a never lie tattoo. Then he shacks up with a bunch of morally dubious people. He more or less says he's just using them but then they take him along anyway.
>>289296709The truth bangle doesn't take effects until it gets tattooed into Tartar, and it only take effect for as long as Tartar touching Coco
>>289296435>Coco when the knight moralis tell her saving lives is wrong
>>289296709While Tartah is angry at the pointed caps for keeping so many awful secrets and how limiting their rules are, I have zero doubts that the main reason he went with the brimhats is because he can't leave Custas alone with them in his extremely fragile physical and mental state. It's not a smart move and what he did to Coco was bad, but I feel his good intentions will be recognized and he'll make it out of this experience without (too many) horrible consequences.
>>289296883Custas was still a tree when he started hanging out with Ininia and interrogated Coco though, they didn't know he can still be saved at that point. And I feel like he definitely made the decision to go brim at that point since he tattooed the truth spell onto his arm with the shackle
>>289296883His betrayal of Coco and violation of her autonomy is probably going to be schismatic between them.
>>289296762I feel like this is really random. I thought the original intention was to make Coco and Tartah comply with loli-witch. "If you don't do what we want it'll burn your hands off". Forcing them to tell the truth sort of aligns with that goal. Having it force truth on you after the effect seems to serve no purpose. It probably would've been better it Tartah just straight up tattooed himself in that case, a literal commitment to his truth agenda. You're probably right though, because i'm sure Coco would've lied at some point in this arc (i'm not going back to check though)>>289296883This is a nice take and makes Tartah seem nicer
>>289297166Having a tattoo makes you a pariah in the witch society, so that was the threat of the bracelets. I'm pretty sure they're explicitly told about the tattooing when they get them (although they aren't told what the spell is).
>>289297202Not just a pariah, the Knights Moralis were all around the festival and would've apprehended and mindwiped them if they found them with forbidden magic tattooed on them. For Coco in particular Easthies was already wary of the possibility since the river incident.
Yup, I'm still conflicted on how Cocos involvement was handled. On on hand it makes sense to fast-forward her character progression during this huge arc, but on the other hand she becomes such a hero character.She has the Three Wise under the thumb, the Knights Moralis act on her word, she basically commands everyone. And while they do put up resistance against her, they fold pretty quickly to arguments that makes all other characters looks stupid in comparison for not thinking about it.She's involved in every conflict, more or less, and handily solves every single one. It's not as blatantly egregious as characters from other series that suddenly transform into "the hero guy", but it's still crazy how "chosen one" Coco feels by the end of the arc.And yes, while she is the "chosen one" going by Iguin, we don't really know why that is the case. After this, Coco should be immediately regarded as a highly important person within witch society.This goes for the entire arc, even on my first reading, but it's really fabricated to facilitate the exact situations Shirayama wants to show, even at the cost of bending characters, their intelligence and behavior, and convenient happenstances.It's a great arc that is held up by many many band-aids that you have to glance over for the payoffs.
So Tartah is just fucked, right?He's trying to infiltrate the Brimhats while branded with a tattoo that makes him unable to lie.And not only that, but as we saw with Coco, it's not even possible to not answer. The truth just spills out, so no half-truths or selective truths.
>>289297511Most of it stems from Beldaruit's willingness to follow along with her demands and to work to facilitate them. If she was just on her own, she wouldn't have gotten far. But it basically works that Coco comes up with a scheme and then Beldaruit hears it and figures out how to work it that doesn't break the pact. And he's willing to give in to even weak arguments by her because he fundamentally doesn't respect the pact, either. The Knight Sage seemed to be driven by some supernatural shit, I think.
>>289289408Now I understand the astronaut in the first chapter
>>289289111I get to still cope that it will happen. Be it temporary, spying, or whatever, Coco deserves to actually see the other side of the coin.
>>289297584Yes. They're going to ask him if he likes Coco and he's going to get very embarrassed.
>>289290131What if there was a war a long time ago and lots of refugees ended up maimed and hurt, so they tried the silverwood medication. They all turned into trees when they found a new home without conflicts.
>>289297710Iguin has to be certain that no nasty boys are trying to put their paws on his perfect child of hope.
>>289297603Absolutely agree. And you can tell Shirayama made sure to have Coco and Beldaruit debate at length so it doesn't feel like he's just bending the knee BUT I still think he comes off worse.It's hard to see him as a great wise man now, instead he appears more like and old uncle who somehow ended up in his position not knowing any better, casting a doubt on the competency of the pointed caps administration.And let's not forget, Coco still has a huge privilege to have him lend an ear to her. Barely any witch has that opportunity despite maybe having just as great ideas as Coco.At times it felt like she's his niece and is giving hyper-nepo privileges to her, willing to accept her demands because she's such a nice girl.
>>289297860He acknowledges she's the apprentice of his apprentice so that's intentional and it's not the only time her privileged position is highlighted in the arc. There's also the time when the little muggle girl asks her if she can become a witch too and she can't answer. She was "lucky" to be able to go from muggle to witch herself (despite the terrible inciting incident) and doubly so to come under Qifrey's care, let's not forget it was Beldaruit himself who gave him the approval to take Coco in as an exception instead of mindwiping her. This also eats away at her and she wants to find a solution where magic isn't so closed-off.
>>289297511See, I'm okay with this because we NEEDED something that drove Coco from 'random apprentice' to 'can actually affect change'. this is the brimhat's child of hope, the one that they are betting on disrupting the system. Think about how long it would take to build up Coco into a character that could have that sort of impact on a reasonable, moderate timeline? It would take over a decade IRL to get where we are now. Instead, Silver Eve acts as a massive accellerant that firmly establishes that Coco is indeed a force to take seriously and an agent of change. Its a bit convenient, but that convenience is in service to the story and it doesn't FEEL overly mary sue-ish because not only does Coco depend on others for anything to really get done, but she is suffering constant setbacks and losses the whole way. It feels like a proper trial by fire.
>>289297860There definitely is some nepotism going on.Beldaruit treats her like a grandchild. Indulging her demands and compromising where he doesn't have to.
>>289294647All of those people were heretics. Therefore it was completely justifiable and he deserves a promotion.
>>289298257>Silver Eve acts as a massive accellerant that firmly establishes that Coco is indeed a force to take seriously and an agent of change.Correct. That's why I said in my opening statement. I also mentioned that the convenience is within acceptable margin in service of the payoffs.>it doesn't FEEL overly mary sue-ishI guess that's where we differ. While on paper she doesn't simply solo everything as I've seen other "zero to hero" characters do, she still FEELS mary sue-ish to me. I'm glad where she is now, but it all just happens too quickly (again, acceleration carries part of the blame). I used this re-read to review that feeling and it still lingers with me, but that's something everyone has to conform with their own tolerance levels.
>>289298597BasedThe law is a good unto itself.
>>289296179I wanna suck on her cocos....
>>289295525If counterclocking the leech undoes all the wounds it inflicted, counterclocking an inkpot should suck up all the used ink right off of pages. The rules of this thing are just too inconsistent.
>>289298257This is the inherent problem, there's a difference between the scale of the series and the scale of the manga. I'm not sure how much time has passed in world but i'd think its less than a year but the manga has been coming out for.. 9+years? In the meta of the series you'd expect her to be way more competent after 9 years even if its only a year in universe. Imagine if it ran at scale, you'd be 10 years in and she'd still be a beginner. Having a bunch of little time skips would probably solve this if it bothered you but then they wouldn't be cute. So we'll get god tier Coco at theoretical age 16
>>289298947For some reason these spells are extremely targetable. You can target a leech without affecting any other organic matter within the seal. You can specifically target an inkpot without targeting the ink it holds.I take your point though. I don't think there are any magical fantasy settings where the rules of magic are completely 100% consistent and don't have ridiculous made-for-drama shit like the Fidelius charm lol
>>289298981The timeframe is clearer in the latest chapters. It was spring when Coco first came to the atelier and it's winter now so almost a year has passed. Silver Eve was probably in the fall.
>>289298947It's more that reversing the effects was shown to just delay fate. The ink pot still breaks and Dagda still gets stabbed to death. So really, they should've all got their blood back, then the spell ends and all their blood gets sucked out again. Assumedly perv witch should also return to leech form. For some reason splitting him in two created some alternate timeline. It's all really complicated and inconsistent. If reversing the leech returns the blood, Custas could've just timewarped the sword that stabbed dagda and undone the damage.
>>289298947In think it was because reversing the Leech made it not exist anymore, so nothing could have done that damage anymore. Where the inkpot still existed.The leech was retconned, the inkpot was rewound.
>>289297584>Hey Tartahboy, watcha up to?>I am currently infiltrating your group so that I can save my friend and bring you down while I'm at it because you're still a bunch of terrorists and I don't trust a single word any of you say>...>...
>>289299578>Iguin: Keep at it! Let's see what you come up with!
>>289299578It will be interesting how Tartah will feel about this whole situation if they legit solve the problem with his eyes.
got very strong dejavu at the season ending scene
>>289299021>don't think there are any magical fantasy settings where the rules of magic are completely 100%there are, but those are all autistic worldbuilding projects rather than effective stories
>>289299232>The blood taken by the leech suddenly returns to the victims’ body>All those who were treated on the counter clock operation table suddenly start to inflate and burst due to the excessive amount of blood they now have
>>289298618>mary sue>only skill is drawing straight linesyeah nah stfu
>>289297860>casting a doubt on the competency of the pointed caps administration.Bel being a softy is not even on my top ten list of reasons to doubt the competency of the pointed cap institutions
>>289297511>the Knights Moralis act on her wordDid you miss Easthies going berserk on his entire organization to lobotomize her?actually on second review this is a troll post
>>289299954I want to see him wearing some fuck ass 3D anaglyph glasses
>>289299232I think they blocked him from fusing with the leech with the bubble barriers.
>>289288912OP, are you gonna storytime the kitchen manga?
>>289300175"Undeserved powers" is just one sinigle symptom of a Mary sue, not the hallmark sign.That would be that the story bends itself over backwards in service of the Mary Sue. >>289300268Yes, but that's Easthies. Him bending the knee would have been impossible so he is the sole knight who doesn't become a Coco victim.And the true head of the KM jumped in to let herserlf get lobotomized to protect Coco. Aside from ROGUEthies, she has everyone under her thumb.
no volume today?
>>289300905they said it might be a few days before the next one
Where's the daily thread?I need my dose, Doc!
>>289300923what?
>>289300905>>289300930>>289300943see >>289281898
>>289300398Sick
>>289300990FUCK.
>>289300905>>289300930Sorry dudes.I'm deep in a full brake job on an old work truck and the truck is winning so far. Tomorrow I'm also occupied.I hoped I'd be able to make today, but that isn't going to happen.I'll be back Monday, hopefully.
>>289301518>less than ten chapters away from finishing the dump>OP is about to get truck-kun'd
>>289301518Ganbatte anon
>>289301518Don't worry anon!Work is important!
>>289301518lol just counterclock it dude
>>289301518Who needs brakes just drive slower lol
What was the point of burying a living kid under a tree anyway?
>>289303631to make a berserk refference
Sex with Coco.
>find a good lewd aggot animation>it's paywalled on subscribe star>isn't on kemonofug
>>289304986Luluci, mindwipe this anon.
>>289300423He said he wasn't, but someone else was going to once this was done.
>>289289298>>289295432All the brimhat coco pictures show her looking evil and turn to the dark side. My head canon is that she's actually more >>289289111. Coco would still be the same energetic, kind-hearted witch who would just so happen to also magically mend the skinned knee of a random little girl who tripped.
>>289297584>infiltrateBro he is 100% getting converted if he isn't already
>>289304986Isn't kemono not working? I know people have arelady made pawchive to replace it and there is some stuff there that wasn't on kemono
>>289303631Probably to revive him from death
>>289300423This spin off is so much funnier once you know the twist and that this is a series of attempts on his life.
>>289305501It's working it's just not on Nekoflux's kemono page.It's not updated. Last update was in January but on their pixiv the Aggot animation is from February
>>289305389I just want one thing and that is when Coco gets her Brim we don't see her face for a good 4-5 chapters.
>>289305389Yeah, Coco being a new generation of kind chaotic good Brimhats would be the most fitting if anything.
Worst boys of arcEasty>Twins>former friendship>that other cop guy>perv>custas gets a pass for being 12bestBest father Dagda>Olly>King>Qiftree>Bel>Atwert and Galga do not separate>New Friendship>that one husband
>>289306015what about tartah
>>289306040He forfeited the Cocobowl and any place in my heart
>>289304986artist?
What chapter does the first season of the animu leave off on?
>>289306648Exactly the end of volume 4.
blue girl is based.
>>289306816Blue girls tend to be best girls in anime.
>fisnish watching animu>ends on a massive cliff hanger>need to wait years for ti to continueHow long do you think it'll take or is this a dandadan situation where that shits already in the pipeline?
>>289307331Green is better
>>289307331Counterpoint: Sayaka
>>289307352purple is better
>>289307336Already in production: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XM95k31NUts
>>289307352>>289307383Thanks doc
>>289306816Richeh is a GOAT. Little drama, all skills.
>>289307502That's what i MEAN senpai.At least it'll only maybe be half a year or so.
>>289307572>little drama>her entire current arc in the anime is "don't tell me what to do" and makes shit fits out of it.
>>289307336According to ancient leaks this was meant to be a 24 episode anime that got cut in half because of production issues. So who knows~It could be soon, it could be a few years out.
>>289307642Not that quickly, we don't even know for sure if it will air next year yet.
>>289307662My nigga, if you're talking about the anime you should get out of a thread about the manga that is years ahead of you.
>>289307671So yeah a dandadan situation
>>289307687I didn't start getting interested in it until recently and I already know coco hasn't saved her mom. I dunno what else could be spoiled since it seems like qifrey and all the girls are still okay from what I've seen.
>>289307718Well, no one is dead!Thats about the most positive thing you can say. But for real, why get yourself drive by spoilers?
which color would you pat
>>289307744You ever play Persona 4 and have the culprit spoiled for you? I did. But I still wanted to know why.
>>289307746purple is floofiest.
>>289305585Oh yeah you're right, it's hard to have a cozy series with a character that dies if he gets cozy
>>289307746porple is best
>>289306015Twins are worse than Easty imo, he's at least driven by insane conviction, those two just seem to want to abuse people.You also forgot tartah and the prince
>>289307718>I dunno what else could be spoiled
>>289307746Purple Agott, she's got easily the floofiest hair, especially in the early manga but later on too.
>>289307746Pink for patsBlue for strokingGreen/yellow for brimsBlack... pass
>>289307957right, aggot is for prone bone
STOP CALLING HER 'AGGOT'IT'S AGOTT WITH 2 'T's!
>>289307718You're missing the forest for the trees
>waiting for Dungeon Meshi Season 2>waiting on Hat season 2truly being a fantasy lover is suffering
>>289308066The Bugle Call might be mediocre. I won't think the anime will be good, but it might be mediocre.
>>289308015
>>289308235It all returns to nothing, it all comes tumbling down, tumbling down, tumbling down!
>>289308066Elusive Samurai season 2 could be good?
>>289308370Eh.
>>289308342Listen, if we hit rock bottom, we can only get happier from there, right?
One suqestion before i leave thread: Does Aggot accept Coco's love
>>289308968She's tamed.
>>289307746The brushbuddy.I expect in this setting I'd get mindwiped for touching a girl.
Don't reply to obvious bait you dumbass.
>>289309057what does that mean desu
>>289307746FLOOFING Agott's hair!!
Imagine being a free speech absolutist, and deciding to protest censorship laws by telling "Fire!" in a crowded theater.That's basically what the Brimmed Hats are.Even if I agree with them, they are terrible at arguing their case.
>>289310228They aren't arguing to change the laws. They vary from wanting to conquer or overthrow society and return to an era of chaos, to wanting to do cutting edge medical research regardless of the consequences.Just because they're rebels, doesn't mean that they want to change society in a legal sense. They have their own reasons for wanting to violate the pact and not all of them are good.
>>289307746wait why are they all color coded
>>289310275>the main characters look morally superior by comparison.A main character just joined them.
>>289310345kill yourself
>>289310338
>>289310364I want to suck on grape
>>289310380>>>/v/
>>289310378Please be gentle with her.
>>289310338They are CMYK, the primary colors used for inks
>>289310412If they were normal they'd have been lobotomized.
>>289310442Good. I love it when a woman just hates me.
>>289310420I believe this. The colors are a little off but i believe it.
>>289310476What would you prefer them to be like?
>>289308968Wrong question, it should be if Coco accepts fAgotts love.She doesn't, Coco doesn't have sexual urges yet
>>289308066>waiting on magus of the library season 1
Reminder that the shiposter only want attention, ignore the retard trying to start shit, replying even if to call him a retarded nigger will only give him what he wants
>>289310420I buy it
Looks like we lucked out not having dailies during the weekend, the schizo is back.
>>289310589He's just replying to himself to flood the thread
>>289310621K stands for key because it's the key plate in printing.What because blue also starts with a B, which could confuse people.
>>289310622This and then you get a cut to Iguin's face looking on from the shadows.
>>289310667Thank you, Witch Hat Atelier
>>289310680Easthies was right about literally everything.
>>289310621Cyan blueMagenta pinkYellow (green)blacK
>>289310749She's greenish yellow
>>289310228If you look at actual rebel groups against totalitarian regimes, most aren't really politically correct or even all that nice. They're made of hard and angry people that are willing to do what they believe is necessary to achieve their goals. If you were just a witch that wanted to go around helping people, you'd eventually get caught by the Knights Moralis and have to fight or accept your fate. The former would make you a more bitter and cynical person.
>>289310680Oh so that is why there is a sigil to mindwipe memories about a spesific person.in reality it's prolly used for when a muggle sees a brim
>>289310749She can often be somewhere between.Anywhere between yellow with a slight green, to grass green.
>>289310783This is adorable
Sex Hair Atelier
>>289310993Only Agott has sex hair though
>>289310969There's some realpolitik to it. Giving muggles control over medicine helped keep the balance between the sides and prevented them from just demanding that Witches run the world entirely or give them everything possible automaticallyThe point of the Pact is to restrain magic and maintain greater society's functioning. If Witches can do literally everything than people would demand that they do literally everything. And if Witches refused, then it could even escalate to muggles trying to murder witches in retaliation. There's also the aspect that healing and turning someone into a cancerblob is a few penstrokes away. Or healing and full on necromancy.
>>289311024You catch on quick!
>>289311017Dungeon Meshi
>>289311029I read that as Negromancy..
>>289311150>everything I don‘t like is tumbr and twitterOh ooh! You gonna pull out reddit next?Come on, anon we can say it together!>”It’s Reddit!!”
>>289311138>Just like real life then.I too remember that one time someone was doing a surgery and accidentally turned them into a giant leech monster. What a disaster.
>>289311031Kek
>>289311138The worst thing that can happen in a real surgery is that the person dies. The worst thing that can happen when you cast a spell on a body is that they cannot die even if you really really want them to, lol. Your argument is that witches would never get rid of healing magic because the ruling class of witches would still prioritize their own lives over the sake of principles. The problem there is that the Pact is inherently built around self-sacrifice. It is all about Witches limiting their own ability to do what they desire for the sake of principles. While the Pact itself is very unbelievable, we're also led to obviously see it as something that was forced onto the world by a small group of enlightened sages rather than something that was consented to by every power broker in the old society.
>>289311195That's how my uncle died. Very tragic.
>>289311192The author literally ran a Tumblr for years. She even gave characters that Tumblr Nose.
>>289311057I don't know, FMA had pretty obvious symbolism making it set in Germany (and Ishval Civil War could be totally read as a take on Western Imperialism in middle-eastern countries post-9/11 or what happened to the Ainu in Japan).
>>289311029Engendale also points out that there's an inherent danger in mixing magic and medicine because blood causes spells to go haywire.
Witch Hat good.Dungeon Meshi good.Both good.
>>289311231>what happened to the Ainu in JapanIirc it was. I’m not sure what anon is going on about but it sounds like he’s trying to force something
I wish they were allowed to kiss.
>>289311530なわけないわ
>>289311558Acknowledging the Ainu in Japan is more woke than just having gays, lmao.
Point taken
>>289311558You are the retard.
>>289311633>black lives mattersure bud
>>289311601CARLOOOS
>>289311692aww, booboo lose his scale and now resorting to throwing blank?
>>289311646That dress on Agott is really fucking ugly I have to say
>>289311650Says the schizo in the thread about a manga he seethes about lol
>>289311294Impossible
>>289311793off to the adanlee, you valanced glimpseroh wait, you can't because the jim got you slim
>>289311633FMA started in 2001. That is basically yesterday, lol. >>289311601Don't circumcise the Coco.
>>289311856Keep seething lol
>>289311856go bugger other mundane, isis
>>289311024Made for Coco to pull.
>>289312014made for the tentacle
>>289312085The human part of that leech had the best day of his life there.
>>289312085>3 volumes full of tentacles>the only female that got tentacled on-screen is fucking Aggott>got saved first thing next chapter anyway
>>289312121If manga still got H-doujins that’d be one for sure.
>>289312170>x-ray glasses>omni-present kaiju tentacles>slimedude's a walking doujin material
>>289311633>FMA predates modern progressive identity ideologiesYou fucking retard.
Haven't read ahead, but my guess is that the Pact was itself something devised on the spot since its originators were in a rush to save humanity from destroying itself. That's why there is a lot of vagueness and rigidity, because a set of guidelines designed to serve as a placeholder were codified into absolute laws due to the people in charge never getting around to revising and refining what the rule were due to them working so well in the short term.
>>289313913My assumption was a singular or group of witches forced it on everyone with some kind of global erase everyones memories of magic spell and then the politically correct witches reconstructed magic in a progressive way, a magical year zero if you would. The only problem with this view is that they said healing mages were the last to give up and rejected the change so maybe there was some collective negotiation or it happened progressively instead of a big spell. On the other hand if witches fought wars and blew shit up you'd think there would be more legends and folklore among common people, only the cursed dungeons so far have had any (this is what the world was like before the pact) lore
>>289314432I assumed the Pointed Hats simply assimilated various factions and covens into itself and those who resisted were eliminated (or retained their cultural traits but downgraded to muggles like how the Healing Witches became the Royal Family).
Now that I've watched episode 5 is there even anything else in the season worth finishing it for?
>>289314432>>289314676There's probably a mix of all these things going on where a massive memory erasure potentially coupled with the counterclock spell got set off so that anyone either outside a certain region or protected by some other means (like a certain castle enchanted against magic) had their memories of how to use magic stripped away.Then, when some witches turned out to have their memories intact, the original conspirators turned the narrative against them while engaging in outright military purges that came with a side of diplomacy in exchange for favorable deals (i.e., since these healers are so respected in this region, may as well make them official authority figures).Meanwhile, the members of the original covenant probably came up with a set of guidelines that they were planning to revisit later once things calmed down enough, except, as with a lot of temporary solutions, it worked so well for the time being that they stopped bothering with refining the system.
>>289314432The mindwipe spell could have started with by targeting the warlike Witches and then afterwards the whole police state was turned on the White Mages.
>>289308015The duality of woman.
>>289315833I'm going to need Agott to break through Coco's veil of self-defensive depression at some point like Olly routinely does with Qifrey, hopefully without getting mindwiped for her trouble.
Cool art
>>289315833Can't believe Coco is so ugly and disfigured now, she looks like that burn victim from katawa shoujo. Richeh is the only girl of quality left
>>289316540What's your beef with Tetia?
>>289316540>she looks like that burn victim from katawa shoujoExcellent!
>>289316661What's her deal? She's like a sand witch? I hate sand
>thirdies go to bed>thread immediately improvesthere’s too much text in this thread, post more pictures>>289317059Okay skywalker.
>>289316661>the only girl butterchalk made art forMaybe one day.. she is cute though.
>>289317101Here's a couple cool ones.
>>289317126
>>289317144Richeh no!!!
>>289317197Richeh yes!
Shut up.
Most obvious samefag.
>>289317521I miss the ID counter more every day.
sex with juju
>>289317589juju is a healthy 20 years old thank you very much
Animu watcher here; do we ever learn why qifrey is looking for the mystery brimmers?
>>289317629Yeah. In the previous thread, actually.
>>289317629Yup.
>>289317686Wooden you like to know, hm?
>>289317648>>289317650Neat. In the spirit of keeping the thread on tooic and rolling indulge in a few more questions.>Does Qifrey actually care about Coco as his daughteru or is he just using her to find brimmers?>Even IF Coco saves her mom, Coco is a witch now which her mother believe is a birthrite thing. Would they need to wipe her menory of Coco or Coco’s memory of her mom to not break the taboo?
>>289317721Qifrey is a liar and an unreliable narrator, so who knows
>>289317721depends on how the laws of magic apply by the end of the series so who knows
Woke Shit Atelier threads are such a barren land
>>289318160This entire site is a barren land because everyone's sick of dealing with bitter compulsively contrarian shithead millennials like you
>>289318181>pointing out wokeshit is being contrarianYou lost, imbecile. Keep crying about not being able to discuss your corporate slop without any pushback.
Thank you Easthies
>>289318234Really fighting the good fight huh? You surely will beat woke by shitposting on a dying forumGet a grip you loser
>>289318244You woke losers don't need help beating yourself lol. You can't criticize anything because it won't change the world? Are you genuinely retarded?
>>289318235>leftoid retard now likes the police
>>289316540>she looks like that burn victim from katawa shoujoDoes she taste like bacon?
>>289317721Qifrey wouldn't almost get himself killed more than once if he just saw Coco as a tool. He cares deeply for all of his students.
>>289318346You can only think about food for obese whales, pedo loser
>>289318371He's like Kakashi but for braindead fujos
The political discussion is the only thing keeping this thread alive.
>>289317479How do I invite Luluci to a date and don't get mindwiped afterward?
>>289317721Cocomama really doesn't know anything dangerous. In her mind some loud noises came out of Coco's room and the sky above their house, she went outside to see what was going on, and she was instantly petrified by a spell she never even conceptualized as existing. She doesn't know anything dangerous to the masquerade because she doesn't even know what happened. Coco on the other hand is a walking and talking masqurade violation. If she fixes her mother, the only solutions would be lobotomy, so that Coco can go back to not being able to leak information, or lying to her mother forever about how she 'unlocked' her witch powers as well as the circumstances of why her mother was petrified. The latter would absolutely put a stress on their relationship, as anyone would be able to tell that their daughter was withholding information from them.
>>289318469Why is there such a big overlap between feminists and rapists?
>>289318469Offer up the names of several heretics as a gift on the date. Some girls like jewelry, Luluci likes the names of dissidents.
>>289318534They think being a feminist simp will help them get a girl
>>289318553You have never talked to a woman bruh
>>289316661She's pink.
>>289316661That is a dangerous smile.
>half the thread deletedNot a single honest discussion itt, just pedo shit and bait
>>289318607We know you like small girls because you're too sad to talk to adult women. Now move on to a different topic already.
>>289311601Don't steal her hat like that. The brushbuddy needs it so he can Ratatouille her.
Why is the thread so dead? I thought this series was popular
>>289318689Not on 4chan
>>289318667>dude's been hiding inside coco hat the whole time qif fighting muckhe's the one ratatoulleing coco to take the hit for qif
>>289318667>brushbuddySuch a retarded name
>>289315833If I steal Aggot’s hat would she die?
>>289311192Are you retarded? The author of Dungeon Meshi literally had a tumblr account.
>>289289873Trying not to die, mostly.
>>289318745>killing kidsPeak leftist behavior
>>289316661Tetia.. stop smiling at me like that..
>>289318523Considering that every witches knew Coco's an outsider, is it even really that big of a violation?
>>289318784See >>289318652
>>289318761That she used for art, which is what tumblr was originally for
>>289318795And said art looks like the typical sjw tumblr art of the time. She loves diverse bodies, skin colors and ugly noses.Coincidence?
>>289292141It is a bit insane to go from Omega, that feels like it was written out of some mix of delusion and a lack of self-awareness, and comparing it to WHA, that feels extremely genuine and passionate. Like WHA is a far less happy story than Omega. The heroes fail more and just have a much rougher go of it all. But it is just way less cynical on the palate.
>>289318769Can you relate?
>>289318718He knew she'd look cool with that scar. For the greater good.
>>289318835Didn’t the artist for kengab recently get outted as a slop user for his most recent chapter or an I thinking of something else
>>289318835Omega mogs WHA, what are you talking about? This series lacks soul and passion. Feels more like a cowardly corporate product.
>>289318835>that feels extremely genuine and passionateLiterally a Twitter discourse made into a manga. Are you stupid or illiterate?
>>289318874>outedHe is incredibly open about how much he uses it and how much he does not care about Omega
>>289318874>an I thinkingNo, you don't do that very often
>>289318788Coco was also uprooted from her village and moved into a private workshop where the only people she really interacted with were fellow witches. The first time we really see her talk to another muggle is the nurse in the capital. But that Nurse is well-trained in knowing how not to ask questions. Around her own mother, that would be far harder for the system to accept. Who wouldn't tell their mother about their private struggles and the like? Her mother would know that there was some bullshit about Coco suddenly discovering that she is a witch, at the age of 10-12. Just like Dagda figuring it out with Custas.
People praising this shit on 4chan feels extremely alien to me. It's the opposite of 4chan culture. Luckily it's like 2 or 3 tourist.
Honestly I prefer sjw over woke
>>289318922Yeah even if Coco managed to turn her mother back tomorrow, her mother will at best become a kind of political prisoner in witch society, and Easthies would probably try to mindwipe her every day.
While it may not explicitly center on a traditional queer romance, the series is fundamentally "queer" in its philosophy, narrative structure, and thematic rejection of rigid, exclusionary systems.
Queer literature has long utilized "found family" as a central trope, the idea that you create your own kinship structures when biological families or societal institutions reject you.
Characters are designed with fluid aesthetics. The visual language of the series emphasizes personality, craft, and emotion rather than rigid gender archetypes.The male characters, particularly Qifrey, are allowed to be deeply empathetic, gentle, and vulnerable. The series centers these traits as strengths necessary for "good" magic, actively dismantling the toxic masculinity often associated with "powerful" fantasy protagonists.
Uh-oh, he's having a melty again.
Master of queer studies over here lol
>>289316661>ntr-smile
>>289319078Cry some more if you don't like it
The characters' different physical realities are treated with dignity. Magic is portrayed as a tool for equity, mirroring the real-world queer advocacy for inclusive design and societal accessibility.
For many readers, Witch Hat Atelier feels "queer" because it validates the experience of being different. It tells a story about rejecting the rules of a society that wasn't built for you and finding your own community. By focusing on themes of accessibility, chosen family, and the democratization of power, Shirahama has created a fantasy world that feels remarkably safe and welcoming for readers who have historically been left out of the genre.
>>289318788I think the only Witch that we see that has any relationship with non-Witches is Tartah, who has muggle friends and later took over treating Custas. But prior to his defection, Tartah was basically considered a cripple and was barely taught magic. While Tartah definitely could have leaked the secret of magic to his non-Witch friends, at least it makes sense why that was overlooked. Witches were just condescendingly blind to Tartah's existence. But every other Witch seems to basically only interact with other Witches beyond medical services.
Who's your favorite queer character in the series?
>>289319115Well I won't say you're not taking your own advice
>>289319187You're free to stay and be a retard. I'm not trying to silence your wokeshit, crybaby.
>>289319152Maybe in a way it’s better to exist in the middle ground where you can have the best of both worlds and coneheads look the other way.
To continue the analysis, it is essential to look at how Witch Hat Atelier parallels the queer experience through its systemic conflict and the metaphor of "hiding." It actively mirrors the struggle of living within, and eventually challenging, a society that deems one’s very existence (or natural expression) illegal.
I miss him already
>>289319152Witches are legally required to do some good deeds for non-magical people a few times per year, so they interact with them often enough, at least professionnally. I wonder what happens if a witch and a non-witch fall in love together though. I don't think it's against any rule that we've seen.
>>289319233I really want to see him proctoring Galga doing the first test once again
>>289318874He's literally said he wishes he could just ai gen everything and not have to draw
>>289319254I wonder what the teaching test is like anyways. The one Qifrey's done but Oly hasn't. At least the first test isn't too hard so Galga should be okay. Actually, since the second test area has been so fucked up what are they gonna do for that now?
Witch Hat Atelier is often read as queer because it prioritizes connection over compliance. It suggests that the "rules" of the world are often just arbitrary borders drawn by those in power, and that a truly magical life is found in the moments where we cross those borders to help one another.
>>289319253There might be some rule that we haven't found out about yet forbidding that, because then witches would have to answer the awkward question of can a half witch half muggle child use magic (since their narrative is that it's genetic)
>>289319253We saw at least one of those dealings between Olly and the monarch, and it wasn't really a friendly interaction. Even a more polite dealing would be emotionally distant. >what if they fell in loveShirahama once illustrated something like this. A tragedy between an ancestor to King Dean and his Court Witch. >ダダの王と王を殺した魔法使い #ゾザの物語詩But it was titled the King and the Witch that Killed Him. So not exactly a happy story. And it seems to be pre-Pact. So not really applicable to the more segregated modern society, I guess.
>>289319253If it’s possible for them to love then I imagine it would require the witch to either have constant parole from a higher official to make sure they aren’t doing magic in front of a muggle or for the witch to be mindwiped of all magic.Both of which sound tedious
>>289319233The story explores the difficulty of fighting for liberation without becoming the very thing you seek to destroy. This complex moral landscape is a staple of mature queer fantasy, where the system itself is the antagonist.
>>289319320>interracial shitHoly soulless
>>289319320If we move past the metaphors and look at the structural reality of Witch Hat Atelier, the argument for it being a radical queer text becomes much harder to deny. The series essentially functions as a blueprint for a world where heteronormative structures are irrelevant, replaced by chosen kinship and the self-actualization of one's own identity.
>>289319343Sorry bro. I'm not racist or anything, but I'll always order chocolate over vanilla, if you know what I'm saying. Some of my best friends are white.
>>289319320Ah that reminds me. Ex-Friendship got in shit for many things but one on the list was setting up unnecessary decoration jobs for the rich. So basically that job Oly did for the floor.
>>289319319If you are looking for tangible, grounded representation, the relationship between Qifrey and Olruggio is the series' primary anchor. In many fantasy narratives, male characters are pushed into hyper-masculine, competitive, or emotionally distant roles.
>>289319343I want to take a brown girl to hyperboreia
>>289319370Qifrey and Olruggio exhibit the hallmarks of a long-term, committed, domestic partnership. They aren't just "allies" or "mentors"; they have a shared home, a shared history of trauma, and a deeply ingrained, non-verbal synchronicity.
>>289319381I don't think any girl would go with you. Brown or otherwise.
>>289319370Their dynamic is often cited as a prime example of "queer normativity", a relationship that exists outside the confines of traditional courtship or marriage, yet is defined by the same level of commitment and sacrifice. It is a mature, stable, and deeply loving portrayal of two men whose lives are inextricably linked.
>>289317721Qifry genuinely enjoys being a teacher and cares about his students, but harbors a deep hatred for the brims so it's both. But as we have seen, he values getting back at the brims more even if he doesn't admit it to himself.The best case scenario for dunce caps is either quietly bring Coco and her mother into their world to live as if they were always witches or wipe one of their memories. That's clearly not where the story is headed however.
>>289319444>dunce capsKekPlease tell me there is art of character in dunce caps
>>289319444I think Qifrey would choose his students over the brimhats if it came down to it.
>>289319370His crime was pocketing the money for the jobs it seems, instead of having it go to the central witch fund or whatever they have set up.
>>289319491Ah right. Guess they have to pay for that cafeteria somehow.
>>289319343Witches are people too
>>289319444that the system itself is broken and that the only way to save magic is to dismantle the exclusionary laws that gatekeep it
>>289319508 It is rare to find a series that so thoroughly rejects the status quo not through violence, but through the radical act of simply existing and thriving on one's own term.
>>289319293Was the second area really get fucked up?Other than the serpent head gate making a hole near the entrance, and the place where Romanon gold people turned into gold is now a blazing puddle of lava, I don't think Sasaran battle actually destroyed the environment that much
>>289319547Witch Hat Atelier is remarkable not just because it includes diverse characters, but because it fundamentally integrates the Social Model of Disability and anti-Eurocentric visual design into its core mechanics. It doesn't treat diversity as a "feature" to be toggled on; it treats it as the reality of a world that is actively being reshaped for the better.
>>289319487If he had time to decide yeah, but when he acts on impulse he always goes for the brims
>>289319367In many fantasy manga, the default "base" for a character is Eurocentric, with diversity often relegated to side characters or specific "exotic" regions. Kamome Shirahama rejects this entirely.
>>289319253I imagine this is where that specific-person memory erasure spells came into playThey probably given a choice between the witch erasing their own memories of magic and lives on as a muggle, or for the muggle to moves to witch society and having all their acquaintances memories of the soon-to-be-witch to be erased.
>>289319582The cast of Witch Hat Atelier represents a broad spectrum of skin tones, hair textures, and physical features. Crucially, these traits are not linked to specific nations, bloodlines, or cultural stereotypes.
>>289319589By placing characters of various backgrounds in the same atelier, eating the same meals, and training together without their appearance being a "plot point," Shirahama performs a radical act of normalization.
>>289319547WHA posits a world where diverse identities are a given, not a curiosity. It avoids the trap of "othering" characters based on their race, focusing instead on their shared identity as magic-users.
>>289319509sociological framework argues that disability is not caused by an individual's physical impairment, but by a society that fails to provide necessary access
gimme (you)
>>289319675Okay retard. No need to thank me.
>>289310667… crackpot theoryWhat if Iguin is Coco’s father? The mom could have simply have her memory erased or something. This shambling foundation only stands on the idea that Iguin only shown interest for Coco and we have not seen any other “child of hope”
>>289318523Maybe the two of them could spin a BS story together about how Coco's dad was a witch and just never told them?But I think the more likely option is that there won't be a masquerade by the end of the story.
>>289319699Coco herself starts the series in a state of what society considers "ruin." She is essentially "disabled" from being a "normal" witch because she lacks the innate capacity/knowledge the system demands.
>>289319699I kinda wish there's more "child of hope" running around, his coin bowl was almost full back then after allThey'd provide a nice foil to our little Coco and what she's managed to do
>>289319702>>289319721Rather than "fixing" her, the system she enters (the Atelier) teaches her to adapt the world to herself. She succeeds not by conforming to the "able-bodied" standard of magic, but by innovating entirely new ways to cast spells that circumvent traditional limitations.
>>289319702Wonder if you need to register for a witch liscense or something or if they have everyone who is a witch with registered blood or something.Doubt it’s that easy and the polefags coneheads would probably just use the truth spell on them.
>>289319724By framing magic as a craft that anyone can learn and improve upon, Shirahama creates a world that is inherently supportive of neurodivergence and physical diversity.
>>289319547Yeah, overall it shouldn't be too bad to do some rebuilding for the Serpent Road and keep using it
>>289319724It would be pretty funny if that's Easty's tragic backstory.
>>289319699It's possible but not that likely. It's not like he takes much interest in her safety.
WHA>>289319750 posits that magic is fundamentally dangerous and volatile. The Integrity's strict laws, censorship, and secrecy are framed as the only things preventing societal collapse. From this viewpoint, the Integrity isn't "bad"; they are the "adults in the room."
>>289319699We know that Iguin made other books.And Coco could have easily died several times. It wouldn't really fit if he was her father if that is meant to imply an emotional connection.It works better if she's just the 1 in 1000000 survivor.
>>289319585No she doesn't. All main character are vaguely european-looking.
>>289319773The Brimhats are the ultimate "progressives" of this world, they want to democratize magic, abolish the elite structures, and hand power directly to the masses. Yet,
>>289319745>registered blood>taking blood as a witchOff to the island with you
>>289319491He says he's getting old and will become dependant on normals but paying people to look after him is too expensive. So assumedly he stole to pay for aged care. Which is a bit weak because surely a witch can just magic up diamonds or something.
>>289319817I think mortals would be savvy enough to not take gold and silver from a witch
>>289292141>>289318835It's not just one thing. It really is everything.WHA will give you a nuanced moral conundrum with no truly right answer. Omega will have two characters do the same thing and tell us to love one and hate the other.WHA's power system is aesthetically fantastical, but operates under consistent logic to the point where fans can make their own usable spells. Omega's power system is aesthetically realistic, but operates under narrative convenience.WHA will have fights between top tier witches that are self-evident based on their creativity and the speed and complexity of their circles. Omega will have blurs and one character jobbing and insist that it was a high level exchange.WHA is a love letter to art itself. Omega's art is AI generated as much as possible.Every aspect I can think of that makes WHA good, the opposite is true for Omega. I don't think two more opposite manga exist in this world.
>>289319745The coneheads already know Coco is an outsider.I meant the BS story should be for the other outsiders.
>>289319805NONONO ACK-No really I don’t think there’s any airtight way to prove coco’s involvement with magic.They’ve had this “never let muggles see your magic” thing for a while now and I’d make a bet they’ve got all sorts of ways to find out shit.
>>289319817Now that you mentioned that, I don't think we've seen rare jewels that's treated as valuable yetMaybe the witches already destroyed that market permanently after magicking diamonds one too many times
>>289319840>praising woke hat atelier4real are you stupid?
>>289289111Never stop believing.
>>289319876I see. From what we’ve seen fooling the muggles isn’t hard but I think it still requires finesse.I think an anon already said it but muggles already believe that magic is a birthright.If there’s a single person out there who knew Coco’s father for who he was this whole barrative falls apart.
>>289319840Omega was made for teenage boysWHA was made for little girls
>>289319699I feel like this wouldn't add anything to the story.Coco can't even remember her father so it's not like he could have raised her in any type of way, we know that genetics don't have an impact on witchcraft capability so blood relation doesn't matter, and a big reason why Coco is so special is her unique perspective as a former muggle.Plus, Iguin seemed to just be selling those books to anyone and everyone. It would just be an unnecessary coincidence that his long-lost daughter was the one success.
>>289310630I lucked out being too lazy to participate in this thread until right now.
>>289319936The long, established history of the magic circles and the "old ways" of the Integrity are framed as the wisdom of ancestors. The "new" ways that Coco introduces are not necessarily "progressive"
>>289319941b-b-but she's easily a christmas cake
>>289319932 Witch Hat Atelier suggests that the most powerful thing one can do is not to hoard magic for the "gifted," but to share the "code" of the world so that everyone regardless of their physical start, can participate in the act of creation.
>>289319919The struggle in the series is never against a person's body or background
>>289319957The true enemy is gatekeeping system that wants to define who is "worthy" of power
Now that we know about targeted sigil and those targeted sigil can be placed in the middle (based on the counterclock seals against leeches) I wonder if that triple R in the middle are sigils for clothes
>>289320080It deals heavily with themes of trauma, violation of autonomy, and toxic power dynamics
>>289320080Rape
>>289320080Feminist bullshit
>>289320080I think the R's are actually little stylized robes. If you squint you can see the buttons on the top and like fabric folding.It's a stretch, maybe.
>>289320151And R for robes. You may be on to something.
>>289320151Schizo or retarded?
>>289320080The chapter that forever killed wha
>>289320195
>>289320221SEX!
>>289319840Omega just has the unfortunate fate of being a sequel to a long running manga made by two people that lost their passion on the way. Sandrovich likes writing manga, but doesn't like sticking around long term. Daronwas a hired gun that has been kept around past his enthusiasm in the job.WHA is probably going to be Shirahama's life's work. So she still cares deeply about it.
>>289320259>So she still cares deeply about itDoesn't look like that
>>289320221Eroi
>>289320259 It is important to discuss this not as a "plot device" for shock value, but as a defining element of the series’ approach to power dynamics and systemic protection.
>>289320221>>289320239>>289320282You sound desperate
>>289320322In the manga (specifically regarding events revealed in chapter 49), it is established that Luluci and another apprentice suffered abuse at the hands of a powerful patron while they were training under a master
When the situation occurred, the master failed to protect them and even suggested that they should have "gone along with it" because the perpetrator was influential.
>>289320221She carries a profound, justified disdain for sexual predators. Her stern, often cold exterior when dealing with those who exploit others is a direct result of this past.
Which Witch would you Hat? Atelier
>>289320439Olly
>>289320455His beard in the anime looked like a young mans starter scruff.If you shaved it he’s like like a shounen protag.
>>289320455Why are you a faggot?
Why is this thead so empty?
>>289320473He looks 12 without the beard.
>>289320473The manga handles this event with extreme care. It is not depicted visually or "fanserviced."
>>289320532it is treated with the heavy gravity and seriousness that such an event warrants. The series uses this history to explain why the Knights Moralis, despite their often rigid and sometimes controversial methods (like memory wiping), are fundamentally dedicated to protecting apprentices from exploitation.
>>289320397by meI thinkI don't remember
>>289320592The apprenticeship system, where a child is placed under the near-total authority of a single adult, often isolated from others, is inherently ripe for abuse.
The Trigger warning before Chapter 49 made me terrified the manga was taking a dark turn- thankfully it was well handled!
>>289320677The 40 pages tentacle rape scene with Olruggio was a bit much.
>>289320677The idea of adults training young witches who live with them is a bit of an eyebrow raising concept, as is the idea of those witches being sent to do various tasks in the world. The inherent danger of that had always made me a little nervous
>>289320705I can’t help but feel this is intentional. Even if the knights DO take it seriously, I think this is the type of story which does concern itself with those kinds of systematic oversights and how they harm vulnerable people. This specific example may not come up again but that’s how I look at it.
>Having a meltdown for so long the anime already endedJesus Christ this dude is genuinely pissing blood over this manga
>>289320744As long as you're there to drink it like a dumb obedient sheep
Also yeah it was refreshing to see this matter treated seriously whereas in so many anime/manga sexual assault/harassment are more of a gag than anything. And it does so without depicting it explicitly and fetishisticaly
>>289320744It's a great thing for him that the jannies on /a/ don't do anything if he pretends to be discussing the manga with these LLM generated posts.
>>289307890By me
>>289320780Why are you so scared of discussion and dissent? This is not your hugbox
>>289320776Now that I think about it, this sort of risk with one witch being to sole reliable figure in an apprentice's life is probably why watchers were introduced. A watchers sole porpoise is watching over the atelier. Not just for harm from outside but also harm from inside. If a witch were to abuse their power over the apprentices, a watcher would be right there to punish them for it and/or drag them to the knights.
The care to put an actual trigger warning already shows how much Kamome Shirahama takes the subject seriously and treats it with respect
>>289320860I'm reading this for the first time and holy shit, those pages with Eryenne looking at Luluci through the door, begging her not to go... It was legitimately horrifying, I actually started panicking and crying at the sight of it D:
>>289320819Why are you still fisting yourself over this specific manga though
>>289320221SexXes
>>289320744/a/ has been abandoned as a haven for low IQ ESL spammers
>>289320930I can discuss whatever series I want. I don't have to give explanations to losers like you. There are plenty of sites out there where you can criticize this product. Why don't you post there?
>>289320989>fan of a series for little girls>pedo>calling anyone low iqYour lack of self-awareness is almost funny
Seemed kind of lame to conflate a peeping tom with an actual abuser. Not a fan of the black and white thinking here. All it does remove any nuance by resorting to such prejudgements. Especially combined with the mind wiping punishment. Felt much too extreme. Disappointing.
>>289320780Just report and ignore.
>>289321090It has really been working so far, right?
>>289321012Pathetic retard
>>289321088ridiculous comment. part of the problem
>>289321111Nice argument, loserIf you have nothing to say just keep crying
>>289320439Gimme that hot milk chocolate.
>>289321165Anon, everybody knows you're just acting and spamming the thread. You're not baiting anyone. Everyone can tell you're a pathetic retard.
>>289321088Because it is. Creating glasses that looks under people's clothes and selling them is evil. That's a level of privacy and security that a victim will neber get back. That's countless moments worth of being treated like a sex object as opposed to a human being to the victims. Its traumatising and is why it is so serious, it doesnt just ens with a single incident, every momemt is spent reflecting om that moment.
>>289321206>everyoneYou mean the voices in your head? Lmao stop embarrassing yourself, internet tough guy.
Okay I immediately searched for any discussions about chapter 49 because holy sh*t that got dark too fast! when it was revealed that it was a peeping Tom glasses I immediately thought maybe luluci had a bad memory about it and OMFG!!!
>>289321268those topics never really occured in my mind while reading this manga and then the author decided here have this!WTF!
>>289290117I think that she's probably not all that well known.Beldaruit has every reason to repress her involvement for her own safety.
Even though that guy was a perverted creep and deserved to be penalized...Isn't total mind erasure a little TOO extreme a sentence for what he did?I mean, that's basically no different from a full blown death sentence, which would normally be reserved for crimes like murders and genocide and full blown rape, like with the foul master in the flashback.I'm not trying to condone the creep's perverted peeping or his illegal magic usage, nor do I want to downplay the weight of sexual abuse and rape. but for a fantastic manga that has very clearly shown how unjust and unethical that mind wiping sentence is, it just seems a bit weird for it to suddenly directly condone it for a case like this
>>289290117It's clear that Shirahama wants you to question the morals of witch society so I think it's fair to ask. In the pointed hat society, those who abuse magic must forfeit all knowledge of it. Because unrestrained magic poses an insurmountable danger to the lives of everyone else. Which is shown later in this arc. So is it really wrong for them to impose this punishment? I think maybe not, given that some of the forbidden magic probably can cause nuclear levels of devastation given what we've seen in the story, and someone who would make peep glasses would probably break other rules. Even the prohibitions on healing magic seem somewhat vindicated, given magic's reactivity to blood.
>>289321384I think that is exactly the question Shirahama wants you to be asking yourself!
>>289320439Richeh
>>289321390I think that's kinda the point. However, it was wish fulfillment for me. Ngl
>>289288912so i started reading this manga last manth and currently i am half way. so i want to ask is there any romacne element of coco or her ending up with anyone bcz i prefer a roamcne subplot in every manga so if there is please tell me or the chances of happenning romance in upcoming ch
>>289321821There is a gay couple with a compelling story you might enjoy
>>289321821Maybe eventually with Agott but it would probably involve a timeskip. The real romance is the dads
>>289321214>Typing errorHoly shit he's actually typing all his crap himself, I thought for sure he was using AI
>>289317721>>Even IF Coco saves her mom, Coco is a witch now which her mother believe is a birthrite thing. Would they need to wipe her memory of Coco or Coco’s memory of her mom to not break the taboo?I could see this being the final conflict of the manga. Its a great 'yes, but' final arc that puts Coco into a situation that she can't worm her way out of, she has to address it head on.Lets say that Coco manages to, by cleverness and grit, finally find a way to get everything she wants. She saves her mom, and she doesn't even have to use forbidden magic to do it! She manages to do EVERYTHING right and save the day in a way that is perfectly legal and her mom is alive again.Then what?Unless Coco has already prompted a revolution among witch society, Coco's mom being back in immediately creates a crises for the pact because you have to cover for the fact that Coco became a witch, which is supposed to be impossible. In order to preserve the pact, Cocomom's memories would have to be wiped> Coco: I did it, I saved my mom!> Magic cops: yes, but now we have to erase all of her memories of you to hide the fact that you learned magic without being born special> Coco: So its war, then.
>>289321821Soo, no Straight romance allowed, Literary a Manga for Modern western audience
>>289321953You can't be this stupid, can you? Nevermind you probably are. Thanks foe reading my insightful posts though.
>>289322014Straight people literally have every single series ever just go read something else if you don't want it, there's a billion straight romances out there, especially in manga/anime
>>289321953He's just trawling xitter or reddit for copypasta>>289321985Honestly, the easiest solution there is just teaching her mother magic.If she's half as creative as Coco, it'll be more than worth it.
>>289322104>Honestly, the easiest solution there is just teaching her mother magic.>If she's half as creative as Coco, it'll be more than worth it.It's somewhat believable that witch society can function within the Pact because they're all raised with it, but you could never get an outsider to go along with it as an adult. They can't even make Coco follow it. If Coco's mom comes back she's either getting her memory wiped or she becomes a prisoner of the pointed caps for life (though I'm sure the witches would accomodate her desires, but they would never let her leave at least unattended).
>>289322104Reading the chapter again brought up another question. Is there really only one court that deals with SA in the witch world? That seems really inefficient, and in itself could be a reason why a lot of cases go unheard. Since victims may be less likely to report if they know there might not be a point.
>>289322259I misremembered it a while ago and thougt that the master was the creep so I interpreted it like that too (when it was the guy Lulucy and Ellien where sent to meet). I'm not sure the professor himself had creepy intentions, but he was definitely an enabler and p3do apologist.
>>289322274It really feels like the only law enforcement in the whole magic world is the knights. And that's like 5 guys right now. (Down from 7) I want to see a magic lawyer.
>>289322259It does still come back to the same broad idea of Lulucy and Ellien being objectified and not protected (doll-like and forced to show skin because it's their uniform). Regardless it makes me uncomfortable lol
>>289322406Oh god, I didn't see that before... ughh, yuck
>>289322259I think as something I want to see this conflict is the big one.On this topic has anyone in the manga been rifling through the whack ass crystal prison?
>>289322532I'm currently leading my friend to the excitement I felt finding little details, knowing full well that he'll get to the same point I am and want to sob at the sight of them.Gaslight, un-gatekeep, girlboss
What do you think is the gender of this character? (if they're an actual character that gets revealed later on and not just a random drawing, please don't tell me lol)
>>289322532>On this topic has anyone in the manga been rifling through the whack ass crystal prison?Pretty sure Qifrey just put a "do not touch" sign on it and no one wants to do that anyway
>>289322587they/them baddie
See you next thread
>>289322659I wonder what drives a schizo to set up a bot just to spam down a thread like this.
>>289322697>a botall analog, baby
>>289322259It'd be best to keep Cocomama in the Atelier with Qifrey and co., far away from muggle society.
>>289322725schizophrenia then.
>>289322697What drives you to being a pedo and like wokeshit?
Last for sexo with aggot
>>289323995Coco....
