How come nobody criticized Toonami as much as 4Kids when it comes to how they censored anime? The only anime Toonami aired that got heavily criticized for the censorship were DiC Sailor Moon, the Cloverway dub of Sailor Moon S and Super S, the Rave Master dub, and the 4Kids dub of One Piece, since that later moved from 4Kids TV to Toonami. Nobody had an issue with Toonami censoring Tenchi Muyo, Naruto and Dragon Ball Z surprisingly.
>>289289567you really going to complain the difference in Toonami's censorship over 4kids? I don't think you have your priorities straight
>>289289567Look nobody is really defending Toonamis censorship but if you were there at the time you also got it. You got why. And in the late 90s early 00s it was either put up with somewhat censored Tenchi or shell out a hundred bucks for a VHS set.
Because nobody cared about saturday morning anime being censoredThe kids watching it didnt know, and the actual anime fans weren't watching toonami or 4kids. They were already on the internet finding their animes through whatever means (torrenting) back then. Basically, it didn't matter. It's not like today where anime studios are deliberately making anime for (((western sensibilities))). THAT is the kind of censorship that's a problem because it ruins anime as a whole from the startIt's different and 4kids / toonami censorship didn't matterNext question
>>289289567Because for most of those shows that were censored during the day, the uncensored versions ran during the Midnight Run or Adult Swim.
>>289289567>How come nobody criticized Toonami as much as 4Kids when it comes to how they censored anime? Toonami was way more relaxed and just on the edge of anime becoming acceptable as a social thing. Not just some weird thing you see dorks with the emo kids sitting together at lunch.Main point though is 4Kids was just lazy. Like sure it had some gems out there from characters, Yugiho pegasus island I can only ever watch the dub of to this day. But at the same time, there were shows 4kids just completely did not give a shit about and it was the most dull acting possible.Toonami, "at least" TRIED most the time to remain semi accurate and not sensor every scene with blood.I grew up on dial up and inability to have my own PC due to poorfag, so what toonami offered seemed like gold. Unable to get any fandubs it worked.
>>289289829Anime was completely mainstream the second they started showing hours of it on one of the three channels kids actually watched
>>289289567I don’t remember anyone ever complaining about 4kids being censored. They complained that the 4kids dubs were completely rewritten and had an entirely different tone compared to the originals.
>>289289707I remember how fucking wild it was that Toonami was going to air Tenchi Muyo OVA episode. I remember geeking out at friends about the photoshop bikinis. I was already becoming a weeb at the time with Stars, SciFi, Channel 50 access stuff late Saturday nights, hell even Skinamax aired Dominion Tank Police.God I miss 90s television.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovKqt8My-IECardcaptors Australia
>>289289567Because it wasn't nearly as butchered, duh.>>289289711Toonami started in 1997, and torrenting wasn't invented till 2001, a few months before Adult Swim started.
>>289289567I wonder how Rave Master ended up getting such a bad and censored dub. What happened behind the scenes that caused it to get essentially a 4Kids-tier dub in how bad it was?
>>289291474From what I understand, Rave Masters dub even got completely or almost completely rewritten as well.
>>289289567Because most of toonami shows came from different networks and studios along with 4kids stuff by the later end of its run. Both Sentai and DIC predate 4kids and 4kids styled dubs and censorship but its been over 20 years and you niggers are still stuck on 4kids as if they exist today.
>>289289567
Toonami wasn't the company licensing the anime and doing the censorship. And the censorship to air on it was in line with what people expected while 4kids was beyond that. Those series also got uncensored home releases while 4kids shows did not. Toonami was willing to show things uncensored too. I recall they would air uncensored Ghibli movies. And even stuff like Rurouni Kenshin after a certain point had some swearing and smoking left in, although it was inconsistent.
>>289291564Well I think 4kids is a bit different. Other people censored works sure but they rarely acted like they owned or even created the bloody things. I think this is really the big issue. It's not that 4kids changed shit so much as they assert a degree of ownership about it. They act like t here's a 4kids brand and a 4kids world, not a shared universe obviously but in that kind of Nintendo family sort of way. They parade around Sonic and Luffy alongside Tokyo Mew Mew and Winks club during commercial bumpers. It's more like the old Harmony Gold business were they tried very hard to make you not realize you were watching a Japanese show so Hikaru Ichijo became Rick Hunter. We tacitly under you can't show tits and much blood because of network regulation bullshit but if you watched the cleaned up dub of YuYu Hakusho nobody was pretending this wasn't anime.
>>289291692Bullsopp? American Hero.
>>289289567>>289289567Idk if it’s retarded zoomers reimagining history, but I will always love Toonami for bringing anime to a more mainstream audience. Before Toonami, you had home video releases (Manga Corps, Manga Entertainment, Central Park Media and ADV), these were expensive, and if there wasn’t a video store that carried them, you ordered from a catalog. The only broadcast I remember were occasional SciFi Channel movies like Venus Wars, and I think Starz but I didn’t have premium cable. Some video rental places had stuff like Akira and GitS but that wasn’t a guarantee. The first anime i was obsessed with was Robotech, that got aired on Toonami when Moltar was the host. I was honestly upset, when DBZ replaced its time slot. https://youtu.be/3QLEK_Cg3hE
>>289291985I got into anime because of seeing Iria and Lodoss War one morning on Sci Fi channel, which aired them intermittently so if you wanted to see them reliably you had to either get lucky they weren't showing some other crap or buy the VHS tapes which my crap ass allowance wasn't covering and getting a job was out of the question because of those pesky child labor laws. Spent a whole summer mowing lawns to get enough cash to buy these tapes. Still own them too. The box is a bit warn and it was shit work but man was it worth it. You had to work for your hobbies in the day so anything that got you close it you took where you can.
>>289289567It straight up wasn't as bad also Tom had aura
>>289289567Serious answer. While all distributors dabbled in censorship, 4kids one was the most aggregious, so it became "the poster child" of censoring anime. And whenever 4kids was lampooned for censorship, what was actually lampooned was not 4kids per se, but the idea of censorship as a whole.
It was a weaboo thing. 4kids was trying (and succeeding) at selling Chinese cartoons to normal American children who don't give a shit about Japan and that filled them with autistic rage
>>289289567cause Toonamifags are tasteless retards without any standard.
>>289289567Toonami was all I had, I didn't have good internet if at all as a kid.
>>289291985I like how all these people were claiming to have high speed internet in 99, when you maybe had 56k. Hell, unless you were super savvy, AOL was peoples first internet browser.
>>289289707Considering they didn't even localize away sasami being interested was extremely wild. In retrospect.
Well one big advantage was, if you cared enough you could by the show's DVD and get the pure uncensored version. That shit was available. Media Blasters or Viz or who the fuck ever didn't give a shit what broadcasters did but the show was fine on their own releases. Can you even watch Pokemon and Japanese? Without resorting to fansubs.
>>289293210>localize away sasami being interested was extremely wildNo it fucking wasn't. A younger person wit a crush wasn't fucking wild. The nudity is wild. The incest angle is also wild. Sasami with a crush was not you sped.
>>289289711>early 2000s internet >getting animeI still remember the name of the horribly compressed format (RMVB) we used because the internet was too slow. Getting AVI was for people with good internet.
>>289289567>How come nobody criticized Toonami as much as 4Kids when it comes to how they censored anime? The only anime Toonami aired that got heavily criticized for the censorship were DiC Sailor Moon, the Cloverway dub of Sailor Moon S and Super S, the Rave Master dub, and the 4Kids dub of One Piece, since that later moved from 4Kids TV to Toonami. Nobody had an issue with Toonami censoring Tenchi Muyo, Naruto and Dragon Ball Z surprisingly.Because there are different levels of censorship, Toonami did the expected amounts, changed as little as they thought they could get away with and tried to air anime for the sake of anime. They did the basics that allowed them to air a show. Meanwhile 4kids changed things often for the hell of it, even more often because it offended them personally, attempted to edit shows to be for a different age demographic as they wanted to sell things to even younger children and on and on and on.They're not really comparable situations.
>>289289567Tldr
>>289289711>>289290259There were still already ways to obtain anime before Toonami, yes, even through the internet (though good luck explaining the bill to your parents). Generally though, bootlegs weren't hard to come by even without the internet and Toonami was mostly just normalfag central for normalfags. That's why even at the time a lot of shows popular on it and the fans of shows from Toonami were looked down on. I think the only exception was probably "Case Closed" fans, if only because they were so insular and all their shit got cancelled. Not saying everybody hated Cowboy Bebop, but saying your favourite anime was Bebop in certain circles would get you the same looks as you would get here when saying your favourite anime is Jujutsu Kaisen or whatever is currently popular. Obviously faded with time since the people watching cable vastly outnumbered the people willing to take a chance on something they didn't know anything about.
>>289292111It's no wonder some people jerk this shit off so much. 100 dollars in 90s money.
I'm not sure if I count as a toonami fag or not. Yeah, I didn't discover fansubs until the mid 2000s. But my first anime was Korean dubbed stuff back in 1996-1997. Even in 2000 I finished DBZ and GT before toonami aired those episodes. And I was watching stuff like Might Gaine and Da Garn. Even saw the first two episodes of Fighbird. As in, I would have discovered a limited amount of anime without toonami.
>>289289567They were broadcasting 5pm after school. Of course it's censored you retard.
>>289293271There was incest in Tenchi?
>>289297417the korean dub of Might Gaine was censored and they didnt air 6 episodes of it because of a japanese nationalist character. I think the DBZ/GT dub overall was pretty good compared to what USA got. They didn't have the Step into the GRAND TOUR BULLSHIT and the theme songs were similar.
>>289289567Because Toonami wasn't dubbing and editing the anime they just played the hits.
>>289297446I think I even saw the first episode of Patlabor back in 2000. But it did not interest me as my mecha preferences back then, and to this day are more super. Real robots are boring.
>>289297562>Real robots are boring.This is why G Gundam was was fucking cooler than all the other ones.
>>289297588Ironically I missed that on Toonami for some odd reason.
>>289289567Toonami broadcasts kept the tone, OST, and general spirit of the original dubs. And even in the cases where the OST was changed, there was enough violence and blood left intact to keep the impact (infact, you could argue the Faulconer score made the show feel *more* violent even with the edits).
>>289292492I used to fucking bring books and magazines with me whenever I used the computer, just to have something to read while the webpages were loading.
>>289289974Brother people mock OP Censorship all the time
>>289291985Toonami became a weekend thing by 2004, and there was a global anime boom starting in Italy and France in the 80s, and then Latin America in the early 90s(maybe even 80s for some places), and late 90s in USA. So Anime was relatively mainstream at a casual level in the USA by that point. You could talk about Tenchi Muyo and Gundam at school in 2000 and not just dbz. So a lot of zoomers who think they started early with anime because they started not even a decade before Covid tourists are pretty rich. If anything Zoomers just shouldn't have been allowed to discover anime.
>mutts getting cucked by censorship while Latinos got our anime 100% unfiltered and uncensored back in the day because no one gave a shit about drawings of tits and assSucks to be you.
>>289290259>pornstar name for Rangikuthis person has some priorities right
>>289291985most criticisms of toonami come across as bitter failed normalfags that don't actually get what it was like back then as a kid
>>289297739white evangelicals are a cancer onto the world. You can't even name one top 200 director from their shit tier culture lol
>>289292111very based post
>>289289567troonami single-handedly introduced filthy casuals to anime and that's far worse than changing cigarettes to lolipops, edditing in braws, etc
>>289297968>single-handedlyPokemon and Digimon are also to blame.
>>289297968Nigga can't even spell the word "bra" and thinks he's intellectually superior to fucking anyone kek.
>>289297968Most anime fans will be casuals regardless of how they discovered it. Paying 129 dollars for anime via vhs doesn't make you hardcore if 30 years later you are crying about how anime isn't like Lodoss anymore.
>>289297325Subs were even more expensive too.
>>289289567If you think they were bad, Cartoon Network THEMSELVES broadcasted Evangelion for only 2 episodes and they butchered it so badly. Thankfully, this was NOT the version ADV released.
>>289289567I dunno anon, while we also got Toonami my country also had uncensored anime on regular TV so if we wanted we would just watch those shows instead of the american version of anime, we didn't have a choice for shows like YGO or Pokemon though.
>>289289711>They were already on the internetWhile I disagree with this because looking anime on the internet back then was bullshit since you had a kb/s internet speed, is true than this really wasn't a problem until studios started to censor shit directly at the source. Before you could look up "original vs censored 4kids version" now you will never know how the uncensored version looks because it doesn't exist.
>>289291474I can explain that in one word: Tokyopop.To go into more detail, Tokyopop were the BIG manga company at the time. They licensed anything and everything. One of their big things was that they really, really wanted to break into the anime industry. So pretty much every dub they made was specifically done with the intent to air on TV. Like if you were around during that era, I'm sure you saw their HUGE licensing push for the Initial D anime. It had actual merchandise you could buy in normal stores (back when normal stores generally didn't sell anime shit) like die-cast cars, a Radio Shack RC car, a US-original PC game, and a TCG (why?). But they similarly tried to commercialize themselves as an anime brand. A good example is pic related, their attempt at an anime CD. But the songs were all Tokyopop's dub-original music, some of which were things like the theme song from GTO's obscure, short-lived run on the Showtime channel. Or the opening some of Ai-Land Chronicles, an anime movie that never actually released based on the Courtney Love "manga".So basically, Rave Master was the way it was because Tokyopop wanted the 4kids style anime empire, except aimed at an older audience. And nobody bothered to explain to them why that was a bad idea.
>>289299825Sure, we weren't streaming, but we absolutely were downloading shows, using peer-to-peer applications, over DSL or T1 lines. Bootlegs and official DVDs aside, those with shit Internet bought or traded the stuff using CD-Rs or Zip discs.
>>289289567The primary difference is--co-productions aside--shows only appeared on Toonami, after they were licensed by another company; people who cared bought the official releases or their bootlegs. With 4Kids and certain other examples, the altered versions were the officials releases, often making piracy the only option for those wanting the uncensored version with Japanese audio.
>>289297443It probably was Tenchi in Tokyo were he proverbially fucked his mother/half mother. Unless that anon was talking about Jirai royalty incest and later marrying both Ayeka and Sasami in a harem with the other girls.
>English dubs
>>289303054Not everyone got into anime at 16 in 2024 like you, anon. Someone starting to watch anime at like 8 or before and without reliable internet access likely wouldn't know any better.
>>289297443>>289303019Have you just never seen the OVA? It's incest all the way up.
Have any of you watched Boku no Negro? It's so fucking good but i rarely see it discussed.
>>289298028kiddo I was downloading realmedia files and trading tapes back then
>>289292208>Tom had auraThis. Watching Toonami felt like you where at a friends house watching anime with him.
>>289304309we had a local comic store worker who would sell bootlegged tapes
>>289297968>brawHoly ESL.
Something sort of interesting, for a time they were actually selling Toonami edits of some shows as a separate release. So if, for whatever reason, you only wanted the safe version you could buy that.
>>289303574Unc
>>289305782I remember I inadvertently bought 1 or 2 IGPX volumes that were edited. Was annoyed by that.
>>289289567People DID complain about the blood in Naruto being censored when it aired on Toonami, though.
Why do people hate dubs so much? Surely people didn't hate them when they were kids and first exposed to these shows.
>>289289567I genuinely don’t remember toonami censoring DBZ much if at all. It was always bloody.
>>289306710>Why do people hate dubs so muchBecause they are, with exception, typically not good. But if you would like a more practical answer consider this. The shows were made in Japan. They were animated for the Japanese actors. They were directed for the Japanese actors. They were meant to be watched with the Japanese actors. I will grant that solid to good dubs exist but they are not the intended experience. Further, and this has become a bigger issue as time goes on, you have dub actors acting like they have sense of ownership to them and scripts often take more than a few extreme liberties. There is all to often a complete disregard for the work in question all for the sake of the publisher and actor's ego.
>>289306807They did edit out the blood. You still at times had the dried blood remnants and other wounds but there was no like flying blood or dripping blood.
>>289289711>The kids watching it didnt knowJelly donutsObscure jokes nobody got even when localizedSudden cutaways that didn’t make senseA hammer gunShadow RealmKids are dumb but not entirely stupid. They know they are watching an inferior product because a bunch of karins at the time decided tv shows was too much for the general public. If anything censorship can’t keep up with the times nowadays unless you want to start acting like some middle eastern territories where they smash their own smart phones entirely.
>>289306976Plus it wasn't hard to find out this shit online.
>>289306905I dunno I feel like there's an entertaining comedic factor to dubs especially some old ones. They're kind of their own thing.
>>289306976Are oldtroons really still mad about jelly doughnuts? The 4Kids Pokemon dub kept a ridiculous amount of Japan specific content who gives a fuck if the carb balls they were eating were made of rice or flour
All they did was edit out blood and nudity. 4kids went way overboard compared to that.
>>289307160>The 4Kids Pokemon dub kept a ridiculous amount of Japan specific contentAt first. Then they literally went to the Japanese studio and told them "no more Japanese stuff, we're sick of editing it out".
FCC rules and advertisements have us by the balls in the US. If you want shows like pic related you had to watch HBO and Cinemax.
>>289307239This too. Toonami didn't have the FCC bugging them.
>>289289567You're missing the most obvious difference, toonami just broadcasted anime. and the edits were meant for tv broadcast standards, 4kids made those dubs, and they were radically localized. People were afraid of 4kids getting their license on stuff they actually liked because you'll get a hack job and you'll be stuck with it while people get a bad impression of it because its a 4kids dub. You'll have to rely on fansubs and torrenting only.People gave Funimation the same shit for censored DBZ, but the hate towards them died down early on because they began releasing uncut dvd. Something 4kids didn't really do (except that brief time).
>>289303892I'd have to watch it. I think I did or didn't. I mostly remember the first Tenchi Muyo, then Tenchi Universe. And bits of Tenchi in Tokyo.
Why are Americans so sensitive about showing firearms?
>>289310124Gun violence and school shootings, before they became common enough that no one cares anymore.
>>289310124Why is Japan so sensitive about showing underage characters smoking and drinking?
Ya'll can't have a normal ass thread without revisionism can ya?
>>289297968>>289304309>You aren't a real anime fan unless you were a spoiled brat from a rich familyolfags do you really?
>>289310124As a previous poster mentioned, it's gun violence and school shootings, but it also needs to be mentioned that after 1999, public-broadcast regulations were put in place that made it illegal to have certain expression in shows aimed at child and adolescent audiences.
>>289310444Yet 27 years later guns are still legal and the situation has not changed one bit. Well except for tv going the way of the radio. Maybe someone somewhere should have focused on censoring the existence of guns irl instead of wasting their talents on fictional gun censorship that people would complain about to this day.
Because Toonami's censorship was something like putting poorly edited bikinis on Ryoko in the hot springs scenes.4Kids censorship was removing anything that could offend the senses of a midwest church going granny.
>>289304309And if you haven't seen 300 anime or more(that's me being very very generous you should have like 1000 at this point) your opinions on anime don't mean anything. Like I said, I know a dude who has been watching anime since the 70s who thinks Saint Seiya is the greatest anime ever.>>289304704Comic book fags are the biggest slop lovers ever. And probably why the oldfag community has shit taste. Its funny. I was talking with someone. "Why can't Batman kill the Joker in comics" They argued it was because of some morality shit with Batman. The answer is obvious. Because The Joker is too popular to die, hence you have a never ending story where batman never kills the Joker.
>>289310376Honestly, who can afford this shit? 129 usd for a 13 episode ova series? Is that close to 300 usd today?
>>289310376Sunk-cost fallacy
>>289307137Old Manga Entertainment dubs are a treasure.Hentai dubs too.
>>289311870Imagine buying the entire LoGH series back in the day.>￥65k for 26 episodesApparently 65k yen in 1988 was ~$500.
>>289306710The American anime dubbing "industry" is like 15 people in LA who don't really like anime but failed to become actual actors. And sometimes their friends and family. English dubs just aren't good. That's the issue.
>>289311766>he answer is obvious. Because The Joker is too popular to die.This can't be true because batman doesn't kill any of his rogues gallery and batman never killed joker before he (the joker) was insanely popular.It's certainly a major consideration, but a just as likely explanation is that it would completely destroy any semblance of stakes in Batman. If you keep him as rich and smart and strong as he's currently depicted but can just kill his enemies then his rogues gallery would be gone in a year.Joker is only really a fun villain because his insanity works as a good counter weight to Batman's adherence to his ideals. Joker vs Midnighter will never be as compelling as Joker vs batman for this reason.
>>289312186Dude that was 60 years ago. You are precisely the type of slop lover I was talking about. Let it go.
>>289312225>Dude that was 60 years ago.I have no idea what you're talking about.I'm not a big comics fan though, I was just pointing out the fault in your reasoning.
>>289312245The joker was not popular 60 years ago and that shit excuse didnt fly because comic book industry had not gone long enough for the massive amount of flaws to be as evident
>>289312245And the character is just darker and edgier in modern times anyways. He's just going to get more edgy as time goes on and the excuses for Batman not killing will look even more stupid. Heck maybe one storyline will have Batman kill him but we know the reprocussions of that are not going to be meaningful as he will be back 1 year later
>>289312267>The joker was not popular 60 years agoYeah I know, I brought up the Joker not always being popular you goof. That's why your reasoning is faulty. If in the time period where Joker wasn't that popular DC never had Batman kill the Joker as a canon event then it stands to reason something else other than popularity keeps Batman from killing the Joker. Batman doesn't even kill his currently unpopular villains, so the villains' popularity isn't what prevents it.Hell if DC really wanted they could have just had batman kill the joker and then reveal the joker had a body double or his psychosis affected the populace so there are numerous identical copycats or some other contrived shit to have their cake and eat it too.
>>289312337Stop watching anime dude. Comic fags do not deserve to watch anime. Go enjoy your never ending slop
>>289312390Holy cope, you can just admit you were wrong anon it's ok. This is a safe space (mostly).
>>289312404No youre a fucking idiot. Literally nobody popular dies in comics. And DC not having the balls to even kill off minor villains permanently is also telling.
>>289312428>No youre a fucking idiot. Literally nobody popular dies in comics. Almost nobody in comics ever dies at all for good irrespective of popularity.>And DC not having the balls to even kill off minor villains permanently is also telling.You are running in circles now lol. You've gone from saying Joker is never killed because he's too popular to now agreeing with me that even if he was unpopular he wouldn't be killed.
>>289312515Nobody dies in comics because marvel and DC comics are broken. New comic fans will still be debating this shit 50 years from
>>289312515Who the fuck wants to read a story where nobody dies permanently? That is the exact fucking point I was making the entire time.
>>289312554>Nobody dies in comics because marvel and DC comics are broken.Are you ESL? You keep responding to things as if you only have a tenuous grasp on what was stated previously and you bring up new topics in a way that is divorced from the natural flow of conversation..>New comic fans will still be debating this shit 50 years fromLike what the fuck is this statement in reference to? Is "this shit" in reference to why DC won't kill the Joker? Is it in reference to IF DC and marvel are broken? HOW/WHY they are broken?>>289312622>Who the fuck wants to read a story where nobody dies permanently?Millions of people for decades apparently.>That is the exact fucking point I was making the entire time.If you are OP that is not the point that was being contended AT ALL. Are you also ESL?to be clear this was the start of the exchange:>The answer is obvious. Because The Joker is too popular to die.>This can't be true because batman doesn't kill any of his rogues gallery and batman never killed joker before he (the joker) was insanely popular.
>>289312622>Who the fuck wants to read a story where nobody dies permanently?Dorohedoro and Dungeon Meshi are pretty popular.
>>289312267>The joker was not popular 60 years agoHe was different 60 years ago sure, but he was definitely a popular villain.
>>289312652>>289312659>>289312667Comic fan sperging out. And its wrong anyways. You can die permanently in dungeon meshi if they dont get all your parts correctly.
>>289312652Can you not see a model of business with never ending stories is not a broken model? Superman dying doesnt matter. He will be back a year later. Captain America dying didnt matter. Jean Grey dying doesn't matter. It won't matter when they do this shit again 10 years from now. Its bad storytelling. And people who consume this slop being among the first US anime fans is telling. Its why certain bad titles are still wanked to this day.
>>289312694Only the first one is me. (The guy calling that one anon a goof for thinking the Joker lives specifically due to popularity rather than a wider set of factors that DC believes will drive sales).You didn't even greentext "Comic fan sperging out." correctly lmfao.
>>289312759>Can you not see a model of business with never ending stories is not a broken model? I don't know how to spell it out for you any clearer. I'm not saying it isn't a broken system. That was never the point in contention. The point in contention is the claim that DC will never have Batman kill the Joker because the Joker is too popular rather than some wider cluster of reasons. >It won't matter when they do this shit again 10 years from now. Its bad storytelling.As I've stated before I'm not a big comics fan. That being said you can certainly have meaningful stories where the stakes are things other than death. I'm not a big X-men fan but I can see why someone may be more interested in how the X-men philosophy changes over time rather than if specifically Cyclops dies.>Its why certain bad titles are still wanked to this day.Any specifics you want to name?
>>289312837A KI RA
>>289312694I'm not the same person as the other two. I'm just pointing out that the Joker was in fact a popular villain in the 60s. A lot of people love Cesar Romero's Joker from the 66 show for example.
>>289306807Buddy you have alzheimer's. There were 2 versions of DBZ being aired at the time, the Ocean's dubs which went up to Goku arriving on Namik, then the change to Fundimation dub which is what you probably remember and was still censored in other areas outside the violence. The Ocean dub had 4kids tier censorship to the point where they were changing the plot. Both were censored but Ocean was much worst.
>>289312156>English dubs just aren't good. That's the issue.They can be occasionally, which makes the rest look even worse.
>>289310124Because we have them.
>>289313470Saban, not Ocean.
>>289310376Well perhaps that's a bit of an extreme take but what it really boils down to is that there were different kinds of fan. It took more than a crunchy roll account to call yourself hardcore. You had to commit to your hobbies.
>>289313668And where are those guys now? Its much more difficult to be an anime fan today than it was in 2026. I have known older fans who rarely watch modern anime and even the ones who claim to watch anime in modern times admit they don't really pay attention.Its much harder today, because you actually have to like the medium. Something you can pretend to do if you watched 5 total shows in the 90s.
>>289313950*than it was in 1996 brain fart sorry
>>289313950Oh shut up. It's never been easier to be a fan. You don't even have to wait for fansubs most of the time these days thanks to simulcasts. Hell even dubs come out lighting fast now. Streaming has made it easy as hell and the qualifiers of what even makes someone a fan of something have never been looser in the eyes of the wider community.
>>289314049But none of you people actually like anime so you won't commit to watching 10 shows a season. Heck many OGs won't even commit 5 minutes to reading a seasonal chart l
>>289314049In essence. Being opened minded and looking for anime even if free is more difficult than spending 300 usd in 2026 dollars for a violent ova in the 90s. And its not even remotely close.
>>289314164No it fucking isn't. That's retarded. We couldn't even dream of a computer service that would give us HUNDREDS of anime at our own leisure. You were lucky if you even knew something existed at all back then.
>>289314369And now that you have thousands of anime that is easily accessible you watch less than 1 percent of it. You aren't getting it. Money for hobbies doesnt mean youre hard-core. Is DJ Khaled hard-core basketball fan if he paid 100k usd on nba tickets? What about the former d1 player who just watched those games on stream
>>289293508Was that really a thing? I only started watching anime once everyone was doing xvid and avi.
>>289314369The live games of sports is largely white in general. Many inner city kids who live and breath basketball won't ever attend those games. Spending the big bucks doesn't necessarily make you hardcore. That was 30 years ago. You've still seen less than 100 anime and you think you're a fan.
>>289314514At least over here in bananaland it was. When broadband was something like a few Mbytes speed. I can still hear the curchy glassy fucked up compressed sounds over low res naruto filler episodes
I never knew how to find anime online until 2006 and I admit that. I'm dumb. But I really don't think its fair to say I wasn't a fan in 1996 when i was like 3 or 4. Watching anime is LITERALLY my oldest memory. Also I have spend 700 usd on figures from said series. And will spent 1000 usd overall on it
>>289289567>Nobody had an issue with Toonami censoring Tenchi Muyo, Naruto and Dragon Ball Z surprisingly.Too young to remember DBZ catching shit on the BBS for Master Yoshi's "frothy mug of water"?
>>289314164Fucking how? Most didn't even have that much to spend at leisure.
>>289315333What year did Anipike get shut down?
>>289316668Yes, yes people do. It's just that anime is on the back end of priorities for most. They'd rather watch 100 baseball games a season and act like they are too busy for anime.
>>289316692Like I said, I had no idea how to find any of that shit even if I was looking for anime online. I was dumb ok. I mean I bought a volume of Blade of the Immortal in like 2002 levels of dumb and not knowing how to find more scans online level.
4kids took some creative freedom with their censorship and on top of that made very strange dubbing choices. Their stuff was almost like an abridged series version I don't think toonami was even in charge of censoring their stuff other than maybe minor cuts and edits, was probably the job of the dubbing/localization teams. But overall what they showed wasn't massively edited and there's just some things the networks won't allow
Those Toonami bumpers were bangers.
>>289297739Not to mention spanish dubs were far more accurate than english dubs.
>>289289567Most shows had uncut DVDs/VHS and sub releases, if 4Kids did uncut dubs and subs or even sub only no one would care, it's all about access.
