Shes gonna be the reason this conflict ends. No one even comes close to beating Imu so she will close the portal or some shit
>>289291331First for my wife
>>289291331Will you forgive her for what she did to Brook?
>>289291331They didn't bring up the eye thing for nothing.I think he specifically mindbroke her and kept her around for some utilitarian purpose. If she "switches sides" it will have major plot significance.But most likely she'll regain her mind fully for a few minutes before Imu reasserts himself and whisks her away to Mariejois.That way there's another princess to be saved later on.
>>289291479She can't betray Imu, he can just kill her like with Saturn.
>>289291331>Shes gonna be the reason this conflict ends.Of the 3 already established Chekhov's guns to beat Imu in Elbaf, I think Gunko will be the first one to be fired.1.Gunko eye powers2.Killing HKs weakens Imu3.Imus time limitSo she is not going to be the solution, she is going to be part of the solution.
What exactly is the point of all this? Once Imu fucks off after failing to kidnap the children, what is left in Elbaf? What is going to be the reason for Imu not finishing/kidnapping Luffy when he killed Saturn for failing to do so? What exactly was achieved on this island so far other than meeting Loki?
Wow. I would do anything to smell her panties.
>Apology.>Accepted.
>>289291755
>>289291735Robin got to meet Saul again, Lilith, Bonney, and Kuma were dropped off, the straw hats found a place to lick their wounds after egghead, Usopp became a brave warrior of the sea, meeting and tutoring from Gaban...the benefits of elbaf were endless!
>King of the World > Pirate King > Yonko > Admiral > YC 1 > YC 2 > YC 3Well, this should be obvious by now.
>>289291735>please spoonfeed me cliffnotes and tell me what to thinkNo.
>>289291780>one of the best of the series, ruined for cheap emotional manipulation>Bonney, and Kuma were dropped off, the straw hats found a place to lick their wounds after eggheadCould happen on any other island really.>Usopp became a brave warrior of the seaLol>meeting and tutoring from GabanYeah I thoroughly enjoyed his 5 interactions with the crewI still have some hope from Biblo and it's books.>>289291813>no argumentPlease refrain from seetheposting, let's have a clean thread.
luffy will meet joyboy's spirit and get a power up
>The fruits “will”>Is joyboy’s haki spiritKek. Imagine the meltdown this causes when it becomes true.
>>289291848>>289291860Shut the fuck up. It will NOT happen.
>>289291860>>289291880it would be funny so you can't rule it out
How did Imu violate goyboy?
Time for Imu, the real protagonist, to fucking kill everyone so this shit can end.
This one panel mindbroke trillions of nakamafags. Never forget.
Imu is able to give part of his power to buffs his allies. What if Luffy learns to do the same? We may see a Nika Loki. Maybe Lokis introduction was foreshadowing for this "I'm the sungod that will destroy this world".
>>289291950He did that last arc with Bonney blud. Being fully free allows each Devil Fruit user to become their own Nika, their freest form of theirselves. This is why Zoans who are more attuned with their fruits can awaken.
>>289291939Thankfully the boys are here to stop luffy from making a big mistake
>>289291755Thanks King!
>>289291880Uh oh already having a melty. Its going to be so funny,
>>289291331i hope she dies, she is boring
>>289292025I hope she gets plapped
>>289291974Bonney can copy Nika with her own DF, its not the same that Luffy giving his freedom powers to others like Imu does. But it can be a type of foreshadowing I guess.
>>289291939Loki should be the captain.
>>289292223What if she copies Imu fucks his shit up?
>>289292429>The future I'm most oppresive!
Gunko/Shuri will receive a POP figurine. She's probably the fastest character to receive one from her anime debut (unless I'm not counting Yamato...)Pantsu looks delicious.
>the strongest
>>289291331>Gorosei: The Nika fruit has a mind of it's own and always finds a way to escape from the WG's clutchesWith Luffy stabbed and dying, the Nika/Joyboy personality will come out and turn him into an ultrapowerful toon god. We're getting Ichigo vs Ulquiorra 2.0
>>289292647Imu never invaded W*no under his rule. I kneel.
>>289292647The strongest victim of the Joyboy cosplayer for sure.
woah
Bonney won.
>>289292709Joyboy cosplayer ate a toon god fruit that revived him from death. Nobody is beating that plot armor.
>>289292740>Nobody is beating that Oh, a lot of people can beat Ruffy, starting by the TOPman.
>tfw you didn't fall for the Bonney meme Kuma died a cuck and never got to bang the one girl he ever fell in love with.
Carrot is shit.
>>289291978
>>289292769Topman just has insane durability and that's pretty much it, even his CoCk scream was pretty ineffective vs Luffy
Imcel killed the threads
>Joyboy was just crank calling Imu>this is why he's been seething for 800+ years
>>289293165>Hey I'm looking for a guy named Hugh, last name Jazz.
>>289293275>Buru buru buru>Buru buru buru>gacha>"Mu here">"Yeah hi, is your refrigerator running?">"Yes">"Well you better go catch it, kishishi!">"CURSE YOU JOOOOOYYYBOOOOOOYYYYY!"
>>289291530>>289291479chopper can exorcise her
>>289292223Luffy can turn others cartoons by punching the. He could probably do the same for allies by giving them some of his haki
>>289291331She will do something but ultimately it will lead to Luffy throwing an even bigger punch to send Imu back.
Nobody posted it today
>>289293460"It"? Could he mean...
>>289291331Domi reverse is Gunko's eye power and Rocks family was turn into domi by Gunko
>>289293460Nami looks so fertile here Luffy needs to impregnate Nami fast
>>289293460Kiku looks so fertile hereZoro needs to impregnate Kiku fast
>>289293524Hero ane Heroine King and Queen Protagonist and deuteragonist Captain and Navigator
>>289293524I have a theory that Nami will save Luffy and then carry Luffy like princess Zoro and Sanji -> Nami Nami -> Luffy
>>289293460say no more
>>289293524Unfortunatly slutmi is into bestiality
>>289293546Oda should've just either left Kiku as Kikuhime or deleted Kiku and kept Hiyori as Kikuhime.
I ship Nami with Petan
>>289293550Nami is the queen and that's a fact even though I'm a ultifag I must admit it
>>289291479>finds a girl with le speshul eyes>keeps her by his side for 60+ years>eyes never awaken>until it's finally time to betray the evil boss
How is Luffy gonna bounce back from this one?Will he get a new scar?
>>289293748Luffy is beast
>>289293550Dumb and dumber
>>289293978Nami will save Luffy but Imu will kidnap Nami
>>289294012>you obviously do not remember me... daughter.
>>289293524not ever Usopp can give Luffy a stiffy right now
>>289294129But it's Usopp who will save Luffy trust
So basically Joyboy's fire fist style was passed down through the Monkey family and his swordsmanship was passed down through two families, the Gol family and the Shimotsuki family, who created the Wano variant.Wano worships Joyboy's gear 4 form as their fire god and that's why the float of the Fire God festival looks like Gear 4, and Hyogoro mentioned Luffy looking like a fire deity in his gear 4 with flames, since he was using the same devil fruit power and fire fist style as Joyboy.Long story short, this is why Roger's movesets and name scheme often refer to the Shinto fire god, such as Ace. This is also why Garp and Roger got a flaming aura when they dumped all their haki without fear of consequence against Rocks, I'll talk more about that later.The Shimotsuki variant of the swordsmanship was shattered into multiple pieces. The technique and breathing style was continued into Shimotsuki village, where Koushiro taught Zoro it. The fire style and flame rend continued down through Foxfire style, where through a twist of fate Zoro learned it as well and copied flamerend. However, he also copied the fire style, this is clear when Zoro uses King of hell by dumping all his haki without fear of consequence just like Garp and Roger did against Rocks, and just like them gets a fiery aura. This allows Zoro to use the exact same technique Ryuma used in Monsters to cut through King's "magma like" dragon, in the same style Ryuma cut the dragon. Fate is having Zoro recreate Ryuma's variant of Joyboy's swordsmanship, down to becoming one eyed and meeting a clairvoyant who also knows the secret of black swords, just like Ryuma. Befitting of "the new Joyboy's sword", just as Sanji is his shield.The "magma like flames" Zoro cut is an important detail, because who else has Joyboy's main branch of swordsmanship now that Roger is gone? Shanks. Shanks used Flame Rend to block Akainu back in Marinefold, Oda had Zoro mention King's flames being magma so we'd make the connection.
>>289292525I know it will sell well
>>289294169With that in mind, Sanji was always destined to have conquerors to properly become the sun shield of Joyboy. Zoro was always destined to recreate Ryuma's fire swordmanship to become the sword, and a black blade with the fire swordsmanship is needed to rend the black flames. And Luffy was fates to learn Joyboy's fist style and obtain Joyboy's fruit.We can deduce the needed powerups against Imu from this info. Luffy will go hybrid and need his fire fist style. Zoro will need a black blade, which likely will be tied to eye powers given we learned eye powers exist in One Piece last flashback and may be needed for black blades given Ryuma was a one eyed samurai. Sanji's body is already hard enough to be a shield and he has his own flames like the sun logo of the shield but lacks Conquerors to be as strong as Joyboy's sword and fist.
>>289293524dude she fucks turtles
>>289291407she literally saved his life here
>>289294306Where's the Master Roshi x Nami poster when it's finally relevant?
>>289294129>stiffyI don't get it
>>289294329>you see this 14 year old girl was actually practicing brain surgery in her spare time in case she ever needed stab someone through the brain without killing themCome on now. A more likely scenario is when eating random garbage as a kid at the dump and covering it with curry, he ate his devil fruit already and didn't know it and already died multiple times before he died in Florian Triangle, and may have even starved with his family once. And didn't awaken the knowledge of his fruit until later.
>>289293978Same way he survived Crocodile's hookHe'll just tank it
>>289293978There are many options:>he ignores it since injuries are a meme in this series>some cartoony thing>he's carried to Chopper as he has many allies willing to help (Kuma surprise appearance would be the easiest)I don't think there will be a scar, scars are more about plot significance than the extent of the injury. This is just one of many of Luffy's defeats, Akainu's scar is his biggest failure in the series.
>>289294372>a fighter so skilled they can do a seemingly fatal attack while missing vitalsHave you never read battle shonen?
>>289293978>Will he get a new scar?Yes.
Shit is so ass now
>>289294192even this has no ass
>>289294484Yeah shit usually comes out of the ass
>>289294129>Usopp licks Nami's boobs>Goofy sees it and stabs Imu with pic related now that he's wide open
>>289294343Blud.....
>>289294411Through the head? That's something you do through the chest.
elbaf is so bad it makes wano look good
>>289294681Superhuman skill is superhuman skill. The doctor noted all the vitals were missed.
>>289294793>weaker than Mihawk>weaker than Whitebeardkwab
>>289294159>But it's Usopp who will save Luffy trustIts literally Usopps fault Imu is here. He told Imu to put up or shut up. So Imu got fucking mad, and Imu showed up.
Reminder the Gorosei were scared of Kaido
>go on 2chan>even the nips fucking hate the genie transformation even though they know Oda just wanted to do a punIt's the face, if the face was Luffys face, it would have been fine. But it has zero resemblance to Luffy, so its jarring.
>>289294911It's like when Topman lamented Jinbe leaving Shichibukai. Kaido's been a good dog for years.
>>289294926No, the problem with the genie is that it doesn't even do anything. Like when Luffy made himself a baseball bat, it was a cartoony gag, but it served a specific purpose of countering Saturn's attack. But the only thing the genie did was throw a generic punch. It could have just been the giant form and nothing would have changed.
>>289294385Croc's hook was pre-TS "meat and sleep it off" damage, this is Imu doing a named endgame jobber check. He'll tank it but only after Oda wastes 3 chapters on everyone making the Enel face and Chopper screaming "LUFFYYYYYYYY" while the giants stand around doing nothing.
How will Oda make him survive? New form?
>>289294978Who cares, its a stupid cliff hanger. Just like the other times he tried faking out Shitffy's death.
>>289294978genie form.We still don't know why he used it
>>289292655>We're getting Ichigo vs Ulquiorra 2.0Boy was that lame.
>>289293524Nami is for turtle sex, lunacy is not on the menu.
>>289292429That would be wrong. She'd have to believe in a future where she's an evil tyrant. Not happening.
>>289295258Ahhh. I bet he gave himself three wishes.
>>289295530he said he chose that form because he learned from what happened to LokiLoki got stabbed
>>289295530>>289295258>next chapter begins>flashback>oh my rubber genie, when I die...
>>289295543He learned from Loki is a comment to earlier when he fights off Imu's minions as he knows what tbey do. Imu later mocks Luffy for *not* learning from Loki by choosing a form so big it's an easy target.
>>289294978
>>289294977>only after Oda wastes 3 chapters on everyone making the Enel faceOda doesn't have enough space to do that no more, it'll be a very busy page, maybe two.
>>289292780luv 'ermiss 'erSimple as.
>>289294978He's nika, he's basically magic, rules and logic do not apply to him, so who knows? I do not think it'll be satisfying, like when he got back up after getting wrecked by lucci and simply finished him.
>>289295642I like the bobobo one.
>>289295642luffy...
>yonko
>>289295792King of the World > Pirate King > Admiral > Gorosei > Yonko
I should be sat on that throne in the holy land...
What does Imu want to do with Vivi?
>>289295921He wants her to step on his balls while calling him a pathetic worm and saying he'll never be half the man Joy Boy was.
>>289295873Stelly...
>>289292647Reminder that Imu with the Five Elders, Holy Knights, Navy Fleet Admiral and Admirals, Warlords, Seraphim, Uranus, and the entire World Government and Navy in its entirety never invaded Wano, because Kaido would take them all out simultaneously. He is just THAT strong.
>>289295991Get him past half dead Kinemon first
>>289292647... unawakened zoan user
>>289293460I got you.
>>289292709Luffy is not Joy Boy. Imu confirmed it this chapter.
>>289295562>mocks Luffy for *not* learning from Loki by choosing a form so big it's an easy target.how can you not see it
Why didn't Loki just go hybrid? Is he retarded?
>>289296136Would just make him a bigger target
>>289295921What do CD want to do with pretty women?
>>289296204Theres prettier women than Vivi
>>289296136Oda has to give Imu his shining moments before he's taken out. A lot of Tranimufags will hang themselves when that day comes.
>>289296244
>>289293524Has Oda finally decided to draw his women with some meat in em?
I love cooking and getting cucked
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCfYOrttcEM&list=RDBCfYOrttcEM&start_radio=1
>>289296473But she's not eating meat
>>289296473probably just the angle
>>289293524In a world of Nami faces, the original article is still the queen.
>>289296480Does Haaland win it tonight?
>>289296136Same reason captains do not go bankai right off the bat.
>>289292647Not counting gods, immortals, and pirate king level characters. And Luffy, who already beat him.
>>289291407If Brook survived this, there's absolutely no way Emperor and MC Luffy will survive next chapter... Right??
>>289293978Really hope he gets a scar from this since it would make the current one star shaped.
>>289295921To roleplay as Lily and have her tell him that he's the only one for her and not that faggot ass Joyboy
>>289291530Did Imu really "kill" Saturn or was it just removing his immortality leaving him a centuries old skeleton? Because Shuri would just be a granny.
>>289296578No, Norway are bad without him, or even if the other team stop him from scoring, so if you shut him down, he gets injured or sent off, they're fucked.
Luffy (cat) vs Imu (dog)
>>289296774grok is this real
>>289292647You know Kaido is a garbage character because he can only be relevant and matter if his title of strongest whatever was actually true. Without that, he's just another douglas bullet, some random generic brute upset over a lack of recognition. Shit ass villain, shit ass character, fat lot of nothing.
>>289296270Oh no! A Pirate King tier character suffered a stab wound in a manga where top tiers continue to fight regardless if half their brains get melted, arms and legs get mutilated, and get shot, stabbed and slashed hundreds of times!
>>289296059are you illiterate
>>289296874Hes incapable of moving or defending himself, he jobbed.
Luffy did fine, Imu is justva haxor, its the first time Luffy has dealt with homing AI drones
>>289296755Haaland can pull it off
>>289296755Ohnonono nusois, even Haaland is shuting down
Dream status?
>>289297100All she has to do is pick up the fallen swords during the final arc
>>289297100Shes in the wrong manga as barely anyone cares about swords outside Wano
>>289297126Yet everyone uses swords though
>>289296873I think he's just not worth time spent on him. "A child soldier whose strength robbed him of a normal life which led to him developing 'strength is everything' mentality" would be a perfectly fine villain for a 5-10 chapters long Hokuto no Ken arc, but when he's a villain of a 150 chapters long arc that's a climax to a 400 chapters long saga, he really can't carry it.
>>289297144Yes like everyone uses guns in our world. Swords are just standard low cost weaponry excluding fancy ones like what Cavendish has
>>289295945I don't blame him...
>>289296136>Why didn't Loki just go hybrid? Because that would have made Luffy look even worse.Luffy is about to get a big buff and Hybrid Loki will perform as good as him.
>>289295565>Yhwach cuts Yamamoto in half>then obliterates his body completely so there's nothing even for Orihime to resurrectWe need more bad guys like Yhwach.
Is the anime on break right now?
>>289297509It was the only time Yhwach did it anyway, then he kept leaving his opponent alive aside from the monk (but even then he kept his head which led to him coming back). He just had one particular grudge about a BTFO from a thousand years ago.
>>289294306>dude she fucks turtlesHot
I still believe in Luffy. Mark my words. There will be a day where Imu finds out.
>>289297918Anons acting like Luffy didn't just clock Imu in base form five seconds ago
Luffy will come back stronger than ever to take down this satanic schizophrenic ruler who should have never been called King or God
>>289297918>The MC will win eventually!Tell us more retard.>>289297934And you are acting as if Luffy himself didn't question why the fuck he can't land a single hit.
Luffy needs to learn the true history of his devil fruit. Honestly if Oda decided to give us a small glimpse into history I wouldn’t blame him despite such early spoilers before Laughtale.
>>289297991I didn’t ask trannie
>>289298009
>>289298035Not really I just didn’t ask trannie. You started it yet preach
I believe in The Sun God
>>289298044Uh oh... melty.
>>289298060Anon it’s getting embarrassing :/. I’m too drunk like Roger to care
>Imu and Joyboy first meet over the phone by complete accident Hmm
>>289298126>Yeah I'll have a uuuuuuuuuhhhhhh angus burger with medium fries and a large Sprite>Mu does not know what you speak of>I WANT A FRIGGIN ANGUS BURGER
>>289294793The eye halo is actually (I)Mu, Nerona's body is just a puppet. Luffy will defeat the Nerona summon (which is kinda like killing a Servant in FSN), but won't beat Mu as such.
>>289297174>I think he's just not worth time spent on himHe IS douglas bullet tier, some generic brute that's only meant to look threatening and get punched back home. Oda lost his fucking mind with wano.
>Imu is about to kill everyone not just Luffy and Loki but everyone >suddenly his stage 5 cancer kicks in>actually has to TPA or he will die in seconds Will this happen?
>>289298275Usopp will hold him back with USOPP SPELL
goodnight /opg/
>>289298302Talking about SHITsop, if Oda really wants to give him a great moment in Elbaf it has to be NOW, that both Loki and Luffy are fucked.
>>289298313goodnight ultibro and goodnight /opg/
Kizaru will show up with McDonald’s and save the day
>>289298348Right now Luffy's problem aren't Imu's pure stats but his lookout system making it impossible to catch him off-guard + the autonomous weapons not lettimg Luffy catch a break. So I suppose the question is "how to blind Imu's familiars". Though I guess the answer won't be something as cool as surprising Imu with blinding light while Luffy's wearing sunglasses, but something more like strong CoC turning them off.
CoC works like a dispel. it negates df abilities by asserting the will of the CoC user. And if the CoC user also has a df, then the reality they can assert through their will is more creative. That's why Shanks is not the chosen one. He is stuck being a romanticized version of a noble pirate, so his goals can only ever be personal. However, if you don't have enough CoC as a df user, you will regress to being a generic cartoon archetype like a jacket-jacket man, i.e. plot irrelevant. You have to scale the CoC wall to affect the story.
>>289298926Seems like you're really into coc huh?
>>289298926Haki and devil fruits are two halves of the equation. willpower + imagination, only through both can the world be freed.
>Conquerer's Haki is awakened during moments of extreme emotionsI wonder what kind of trauma Shanks or Roger had to face to unlock it.
>>289291331Are you guys excited for the generic>demon locked inside the mc comes out to bail him from tough situationtrope?It's gonna be so hype and so aura when the "real" Joyboy takes over and knocks Imu back to his crib
>>289293165kek
>>289299365Won't ever happen.
This is what Laugh Tale will look like.
>>289294911Because he commands a country, fleets of ships, armies and can destroy a country with sheer physical force. Even if the Gorosei could take him in an outright fight, he's strong enough to do catastrophic damage to the established order if provoked. Plus you know, as another anon said he's useful to them, the Yonko are part of the balance of the world and are a deterrent for pirates getting close to the one piece.
>inb4 Jinbei saves the dayYour reaction?
>Imu's omen flames carry weapons with the abilities of each of the kingdoms before the world government>we find out that Imu can only summon up to 19>the question is posed about what the 20th weapon is>Imu reveals that the 20th is the blade of the Nerona family>and it is currently in possesion of.....
>>289297991Get Imu past Jinbei first, Imutroon.
>Luffy and hybrid Loki in the next few chapters
>>289293524Nami is a mega dyke, though.
>>289294037>me running toward Oda's House to burn it down if he even dare this shitty twist
>>289295991...because of the samurai
Carrot.
Is there any reasonable argument left for Zoro being stronger than Sanji? CoC was the only thing Zoro had over him, but now they both have it.
>>289300413
>>289300532CoC Sanji is clearly superior than current Zolo, but I guess he will also get a powerup in Elbaf to balance it out.
>>289300689*jumps back to Zou*
>>289300689woah is he gonna fist her?
>>289300689Our hero...
>>289295921Sexual relief
>>289300689Jinbe about to slap that ass
>>289295921To hang out with her, smoke weed, drink diet soda, and play Burnout: Revenge on the PS2
Shanks is either a complete fraud or he breaks OP’s power scaling. Kaido, Big Mom, BB, and Luffy are all roughly in the same neighborhood of fighting strength and thus answer why Yonkos generally maintain a state of equilibrium among each other. Shanks though is constantly aura farming feats that suggests he could mop the floor with any one of them, but refuses to do so for inexplicable reasons despite the insistence that he does indeed want to become the PK.
>>289295921Para jugar Megaman Zero 3 and retrieve the One Piece (Megaman X Corrupted and Half-Life 3) then eat a good paella after a fiesta while cosplaying Yujiro Hanma.
>>289301254He was in Kaido's top 5 strongest pirates of all time (aka people that could defeat him). Shanks is prime Whitebeard tier and could have become pirate king if he wanted to but chose to instead pave the way for Luffy. Now he's making his move and trying to find all of the Poneglyphs because he wants to go to Laugh Tale for some reason. He has 3 copies so he should end up fighting Luffy over the last one.
>>289300735What kind of power up could Zoro even get at this point that wouldn’t either be totally underwhelming or a complete asspull? Adopting a 4 sword style?
>>289301254his wi-fi haki is no joke
>>289301386sharingan
>>289301339>Now he's making his move and trying to find all of the Poneglyphs because he wants to go to Laugh Tale for some reason>for some reasonThis is the problem I’m talking about. How do you sufficiently answer the question of what that reason is?
>>289301254>Kaido, Big Mom, BB, and Luffy are all roughly in the same neighborhood of fighting strengthnot nearlyKaido fought a whole gauntlet of enemies while holding onigashima before Luffy could beat him and Luffy had to be fully healed twice.Luffy is still not at the same level as the previous yonko.He can hit as hard but doesn't have nearly enough stamina or durability>is either a complete fraud or he breaks OP’s power scalingpowerscalers are the ones who break OP's power scaling with their agenda posting
>>289301254ZEHAHAHAHAHAHA!
>>289300735Both are shit characters not worth mentioning. Giving these no talent, no ambition scrubs CoC was a mistake and just cheapens CoC haki as a whole. At this point even Bepo should be able to activate that shit.Zoro: Only power up since the timeskip was Oden's sword and Oden's haki. Almost died fighting the weakest YC1 (King).Sanji: Didn't get a powerup since Wano. He activated his latent Germa genes and learned to kick harder. Got his leg snapped by Vergo and lost to his father, Black Maria and would have died to Queen if not for his Germa genes.
>>289301254>Shanks is either a complete fraud or he breaks OP’s power scaling.Why? He can be PK+, doesn't break anything and isn't a fraud either.
Some new cards.
>>289301442He told Buggy that he wanted to eventually go to Laugh Tale but there was something that he had to do first. Decades later, he's now making his move and trying to find Laugh Tale. What the reason is that caused this delay is a mystery box.
>>289301456Luffy getting his ass kicked a handful of times before actually beating the big boss after farming zenkai boosts is just his M.O., not really a serious implication of Kaido outclassing current G5 Luffy. You have to understand Kaido’s whole thing is endurance, while the Luffy that beat him had only recently been baptized with the power up of G5, and was completely inexperienced with using it to its fullest potential. After having the familiarity of busting it out more than half a dozen fights now, I would certainly take an Elbalf Luffy over a Wano Kaido.
>>289301571if he's been that strong for so long why hasn't he done anything
>>289301752Luffy: Needed to learn both advanced CoA and super duper destroy your insides CoA, needed Zoro, Kid, Law and the red scabbards to soften up Kaido for him, awaken his retconned God fruit with toon force and a short break because his stamina ran out in G5.Kaido: Was flexing the whole fight and even got drunk while playing around with Luffy. Had to be nerfed as one of the most powerful zoan users in the world without having awakened his fruit.
>>289301533>Sanji: Didn't get a powerup since WanoBruh, that was only one arc where he didn’t get a power up, and literally none of the SHs got a power up in Egghead. That was a humiliation ritual arc for the SHs.
>>289301752>You have to understand Kaido’s whole thing is enduranceyeah? and he fougth a while gauntlet,including Luffy twice, while holding a whole island, to cut down his endurance.>beating the big boss after farming zenkai boosts is just his M.Oluffy beats the big boss alone. He fought against crocodile, or lucci or on his own, he didn't have a dozen people tire them out before hand.Oda specifically chose to have Kaido fight a dozen people and hold a whole island throughout for a reason. If you dismiss it and then claim that the power levels don't make sense it's just you being a retard
>>289301752Egghead Luffy is canonically stronger than Kaido even in Gear 4. Power creep gonna power creep.
>>289301254Yonkos tend to be a package deal. You don't fight a Yonko without fighting their army as well. Luffy is the only exception because he's a shitter. Shanks may or may not be able to defeat Meme or Kaido, but he's probably more concerned about his nakama.
>>289301928Name examples of power creep in One Piece. I often see people say things like this but never elaborate.
>>289301927Fighting dozen people is meaninglees, they were nothing to Kaido except for ACoC users. Of which Zoro did one slash at 1HP, so it's really only Yamato that mattered.
>>289301913What powerups did Sanji get before Wano? He didn't get any powerups before that arc either.
>>289301991>Fighting dozen people is meaninglees, they were nothing to Kaido except for ACoC usersgo back to read the manga. Again, you dismissing things that actually happened in the manga makes you a retardthe whole point of that fight was to show that Luffy, after his zenkai boost, was strong enough to hurt a yonko, but not strong enough to last a whole fight against one.And at the end he couldn't even truly defeat him, he threw Kaido into lava into a hole made by law and kidd, or else Kaido could have come back.
Nika genuinely rewires Luffys mind as he is too giggly in it and not his base or G4s
>>289301858>needed Zoro, Kid, Law and the red scabbards to soften up Kaido for himAside from WB, Oda has NEVER explored the concept of a character needing to be “softened” to be beaten. It’s always a character is either stronger or weaker than another character, and stronger character wins. Kaido took a good shelling of hits from other fighters sure, but never showed any real wear and tear from it. Kaido in fact gets stronger the more you pound on him, you either gotta outclass him, or you can’t even damage him period.
Tfw you're THE Shamrock and you get to visit Elbaf and see bad giant bitches then you gotta return to save Mariejois because dad and the four elder jobbers can't handle some revolutionaries and slaves and Charloss throwing a tantrum and you're greeted with ugly celestial dragon crones who all beg for your dick while you know your Chad twin brother is fucking bad bitches in every sea of the world
>>289302111>And at the end he couldn't even truly defeat him, he threw Kaido into lava into a hole made by law and kidd, or else Kaido could have come backKaido lost consciousness before hitting the magma. Luffy punched his lights out.
>>289301254I wonder if anything close to this will become true
>>289302241Charloss is the strongest in series, they'll need all the god knights for that. He's so strong Luffy punched him at full strength, and he just fell asleep of boredom from Luffy's punch.
>>289301806Because Oda will also want to sell you that BB also was PK+. Its the only way for BB to be a threat to post-Elbaf Luffy.
Rape is the purest form of love.
>>289291755We never doubted you, our JARL
>>289302175>Aside from WB, Oda has NEVER explored the concept of a character needing to be “softened” to be beaten.Whitebeard at Marineford is the other time we've seen a Yonko fight their hardest. Whitebeard needed to be nerfed to make it a winnable fight for the Navy's side and Kaido needed to nerfed aswell to give the Samurai/Ninja/Pirate alliance side a chance as well. I don't think that it's wrong to believe that a healthy and fresh Whitebeard and Kaido would have been stronger than what we were shown.
Kaido > Egghead LuffyCurrent Luffy > Kaido
>>289291860>Kek. Imagine the meltdown this causes when it becomes true.Yeah the subtle reveal that Zoans have a mind of their own, even personalities, all alludes to Joyboy being in Luffy's mind somewhere to give him a giganigga haki boost.
>>289292647Currently quaking in my robes please save me Topman
I think this is going one of two ways. Jarul (forma de prime) will save everyone. Or, Imu will recieve word from the Gorojobbers that Marshall D. Chadbeard is destroying the holy land. Forcing him to retreat to save it.
>>289302175You’re talking about a Kaido that jobbed to G2/3 Luffy at the very beginning of the arc. I don’t know how you take Kaido’s damage calculations seriously when he reacts like any flea bite can hurt him, but at the same time just gets up from up and just gets stronger the harder you punch up.
>>289293460
>Mary Geoise rescue arcOda's gooner tendencies would go into overdrive
What Luffy do you guys think its needed to beat 1 minute old Loki?I think post-Katakuri Luffy might defeat Baby Loki.
>>289302437Seems about right, I also think baby Loki is around YC1 tier.
>>289296480Sounds too much like generic heya hoya brown slop to be Viking music. Go with this instead: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6OAbsOnPH8
Let’s assume Kaido and WB were actually much stronger than the opponents they lost to and were just ganked and nerfed. Then the question becomes, why was Big Mom supposedly so much weaker than the other Yonkos?
I remember people having similar arguments about how Luffy hadn't truly surpassed Dofflamingo until like the Katakuri fight.
>>289296795Awesome
>>289302540And that remains a completely valid argument.
Slay the Giant? No thanks. I'd Lay her instead.
>>289302540This happens because Luffy always gets plenty of help to beat his enemies. Law helped Luffy a lot vs Dofla, and Luffy had even more help vs Kaido.>>289302576Yeah.
>>289302539Big Mom even made herself better homies and sacrificed part of her life span before fighting Law and Kidd.Furthermore, those two had taken more damage on the roof and Kidd was being further weakened by Hawkins fucking him up with his devil fruit at distance.
>>289302539>why was Big Mom supposedly so much weaker than the other Yonkos?she wasn't. It took two supernovas working together to defeat her and they couldn't actually knock her out, they had to defeat her by ring out and throw her into lava and she was still alive.Also she was quite old and past her prime and had stopped pursuing her dream instead relying on alliances
>>289302540I mean, the counter argument is that Doffy was either weaker, or at best, the same tier as fucking Cracker, which is just silly. Even if you argued that G5 Luffy in Wano is just as strong as G5 Luffy in Elbaph, that wouldn’t insist that Kaido’s power level is below some random fodder character.
>>289302715why is Cracker being in the same tier as Doffy silly ?
>>289301858>even got drunk while playing around with LuffySee how dumb this agenda shit gets? Getting drunk was explicitely a boost for Kaido. Luffy specifically calls him out to not use it as an excuse when he beats him (Which is exactly what Kaidofags mentally stuck in Wano do) and Kaido immediately shows him it actually makes him faster, stronger and more unpredictable. His drunken fighting style is a whole named technique on its own!
>>289302742>calls agenda posting dumb>claims that Kaido getting drunk was a power uphmmm
>>289302794if One Piece was slightly better at least a crewmember would die in this fight
>>289302794and still no stakesman what a fumble
What are the odds, the next chapter is a flashback to a joyboy reveal?
>>289296657I thought he already did that with Gunko, since she has blue hair and all that...
>Kekffy got destroyed so bad that other Yonkofags are throwing him under the buscan't you Yonkeks just get along and take the L together ?
>>289302850It explicitely made his haki stronger and his moves and zoan transformations faster and more unpredictable.
>>289295921sex, copulation if you know what I mean
>>289302737Because cracker was a gimmicky character with a lazy design that was introduced for all of 2 seconds before getting beaten, while Doffy was a big boss that was thoroughly fleshed out and foreshadowed in all respects, and the arcs that they were beaten in happened sequentially with little to indicate that the protagonist who beat them had experienced profound growth between the 2 fights. It’s just bad writing if that level of power creep is occurring in a story.
>>289302686>It took two supernovas working together to defeat herRobin kicked her assFranky and Chopper kicked her assfucking Brook kicked her ass
>>289302963it wasn't getting drunk that made him stronger. He was holding back before and was getting bored. After getting drunk he didn't hold back as much because he started losing control.He got drunk because he didn't take Luffy seriously and was getting bored of the fight.When he had to fight seriously against Yamato or Momo in dragon form or G5 Luffy he didn't get drunk again.Jesus Christ, how can you have so little reading comprehension? Did you think that he drank magical alcohol that made his haki stronger?
>>289302936zero, Gunko flashback is plausible though
>>289303053what's the point of making shit up like that?
>>289302911>>289302926>muh deathYou have to be at least 16 to post here
>>289302111Kaido explicitly laughed off everything that wasn't ACoC. Luffy was the only one who even caught his interest aside from Zoro for a moment. Nothing scabbards or the 5 Supernova early fight stages did shit, it's explicitly stated they can't do shit. Then ACoC tyrns out to be the real answer. No one ever questions Luffy's victory. Kaido considers him an equal during the fight, Kizaru notes he's strong enough to beat Kaido. Lucci is the only one that doesn't accept the validity of Luffy's Yonko title, but then he gets his shit pushed in and actually acknowledges Luffy indirectly (by saying fighting Yonko's number 2 is good enough).
>>289303094This is your Yonko, everybody
>>289302850Being drunk literally makes you stronger in real life, let alone fiction.
Genie Luffy was fun as fuckHe actually made fun of Imu's maki lol
>OI LINLIN U SEEIN DIS SHIT!?>HE DIDN'T LAST 1 CHAPTER!
>>289302960Retarded piratefags like that nigger KoL unironically thought that yonkos who are a made up system of the last 30 to 40 years or so are the pinnacle of power. When faced with the fact that yonkos are chums compared to the ruler of the world, they chimp out
>>289303067>When he had to fight seriously against Yamato or Momo in dragon form or G5 Luffy he didn't get drunk again.Yes, Oda is a bad writer and can't stay consistent, you're starting to figure it out
>>289302540There's like 80 chapters between the end of the Doflamingo fight and the beginning of Katakuri's. At nearly 140 chapters since Luffy beat Kaido, maybe it's time to call it a day.
Unironically Kaido and Big Mom would last against Imu less than Luffy. At least Luffy likes to dodge shit, Big Mom and Kaido would try to tank stigma and just outright just get killed
>>289303237>/a/ is slowly learning the lesson that dex > strength decades after /v/ and /ttg/You love to see it
Plot twist, Luffy really isn't Joyboy and it's someone else in the story like Koby.
>>289303222Oda is certainly not a bad writer, but his power scaling has always been based entirely on vibes, it’s not rigid like Toriyama’s.
>>289303305Thats what Imu outright said this chapter, a giant body is basically just a weakness against him because he can use his omen to tag them easier thus delivering killing blows
>>289303067It makes him a more unpredictable, effective fighter, as both Kaido and Luffy acknowledge. And alcohol dulls pain, as well. Pretending him being drunk is a handicap is ridiculous because the story itself acknowledges that it isn't.
>>289303350Leo would MURDER Imcel
>>289303228Luffy still hasn’t surpassed Katakuri, he only beat Kat because Katakuri let him out of respect/knowing he posed no harm to Brulee, and Luffy only beat Kaido because of Kaido running a 1v1000, including his own family, ALL of the Scabbards, multiple Worst Generation, and even fighting Linlin to a stand still only a day or two before. Even take this a step further and notice how Luffy got manhandled by Kizaru, and Kizaru is below Akainu who is the strongest Admiral yet still below Yonko level. Luffy is barely YC1+ tier like Kat and King at best.
>>289303170
>>289303305>>289303350I thought these powerlevel tards figured this out in the 90s when Cell told this to Trunks after Trunks tried to go Broly Jr mode.
>>289303366>Pretending him being drunk is a handicap is ridiculousNTA, I wouldn't say being drunk is a handicap or a buff for him. It's an alternate strategy. Instead of being the standard 99 maxed out Strengthtard, he is now a split 50/50 high quality build. A mixture of speed and power, giving himself the best of both worlds.That's how I always saw it, anyway.
>>289303394I cannot refute this.
Would the 5 Admirals fighting Imu be like the 5 Kage's fighting Madara?Or would they fare better?
>>289303133Yeah thats a yonkou vs yonkou alright,
>>289303509Haven't watched Naruto in a long time, but I'm pretty sure the distance between a Kage and an Admiral's power level is miles apart.
>>289303067>Did you think that he drank magical alcohol that made his haki stronger?Getting drunk was a power up because this is a silly pirate manga for 12 years old
>>289303237They would tank Stigma
>>289303394Luffy hasn't surpassed Crocodile yet.
>>289303509Yeah basically. Without a single Adv. CoC user among them they can't do anything. Put them against top 1 haki, durability and living omen attacks that track their victims and they're fucked.
>>289303558No they wouldnt. Imu has two tapped 2 yonko+ tier fighters.
>>289303509Akainu would beat him alone
>>289303575Crocodile is Akainu level, of course he hasn’t.
>>289303601>Imu has two tapped 2 yonko+ tier fighters.If you wanna get real technical, DR is responsible for killing Rocks, who would have been LEAGUES above Yonko tier.
>>289303128jesus christ, reread the fucking fight. They all knew acoc. the scabbards all managed to stab him, zoro could cut him, yamato was stronger than anyone besude g5 luffy, dragon momo was basically as strong as kaido
>>289302794Reminds me of this
>>289303394Luffy only managed to beat Arlong because Sanji and Zoro softened him up. It's debatable if he could take him on one-on-one even today.
>>289303509What are they gonna do to Imu? Imu’s attacks bypasses defenses and he has a very strong defense with Omen+Natural tankiness. The void sword alone would destroy Green bull.
>>289303652Loki likely has durability way superior than Rocks or anyone in the manga purely because of his genes. He has a Kaido tier feat as a newborn baby. He still got hit by 2 sword attacks and a few omen bombs and hes basically incapacitated. Imu has insane firepower
I feel like nearly all the problems that people have with OP’s power scaling would not exist if Big Mom simply hadn’t jobbed to Kidd and Law like she did. Or if Kidd and Law hadn’t proceeded to pathetically job to Shanks and BB immediately after that.
>>289303222or maybe Oda is consistent and you are a retard with no reading comprehension.the fight makes perfect sense. At the start kaido is bored, holds back and even gets drunk, while drunk he loses control a bit and doesn't hold back as much, then other peopel fight him, he gets tired, luffy gets his g5 boost and finally has a serious fight.it's all pretty linear and consistent. I don't know why people like you insist on making up your own headcanon that makes the fight something different and then complain that your headcanon doesn't make sense
>Leave Imu to us Luffy, while your crew escapes
>>289299365I hope that happens.
>>289303509Likely worse, theres nothing an admiral can even do to hurt him, his adCoC is by far the strongest in the world
>>289303754One big issue is that people Luffy beat without knowing haki have since been given fuckhuge bounties.
>>289303509Kizaru would without any doubt fare better than Luffy or Loki.
>>289303754Big Mom never jobbed desu. Kidd and Law couldnt actually hurt her enough to defeat her, they just ringed her
>>289303601Big Mom and Kaido have way better durability than Luffy and Loki.
>>289303394I know this is satire, but I’ve never understand the context for the meme that Luffy got manhandled by Kizuru. G5 Luffy made a complete mockery of Kizuru.
>>289303754I wouldn't call "throwing someone in to the center of the earth because they're so durable you literally cannot kill them" jobbing. Was Kars a jobber in Jojo's Bizarre Adventure?
>>289303237they would tank it. They have much more durability than Luffy.But they would still lose. There's a reason Kaido said that Haki trumps all. He knows that you need the greatest haki to beat Imu.it's a rock paper scissors thing. Kaido and Shanks are roughly equal, but Kaido relies on physical power and durability more while Shanks is pure haki. And against Imu you need haki
>>289303754>>289303785The only person who's inexplicably been given a narrative power boost is Croc. Everyone else has an explanation and is more or less consistent.
How strong is he after an omen buff?
>>289303678>They all knew acocBORSALINO
>>289303366He got drunk because he was getting bored. It wasn't a power up. He was not taking the fight seriously at all.jesus h. christ why is this place so full of retards? Is it the american educational system?
>>289303854>G5 Luffy made a complete mockery of Kizuru.Honestly, it was a poor showing on both sides. Luffy wasn't taking advantage of Gear 5 - exactly like right now - and Kizaru was just playing around. At the end of the day, he was the one standing, Luffy was not.
>>289303869Shanks defeated Kaido without sustaining a single injury.
>>289303850>>289303869Kaido isnt more durable than Loki, theres zero proof for that. Loki has Kaido tier feats as a 5 minutes old baby
>>289302960Yeah its pretty funny. Luffy is minimun above Kaido now, and max a little above Roger. We need to see more but Imu is clearly able to oneshot Yonko tiers.
>>289303850Loki showed a Kaido level durability feat as a newborn baby, and then did it again during his childhood, even pulled the same "Im too strong to kill myself" line.
>>289303918Yet still got scratched by Blackbeard somehow?
>>289303754>Or if Kidd and Law hadn’t proceeded to pathetically job to Shanks and BBBumbeard was bleeding and wheezing after the fight lol
>>289303877The joke is that Shamrock is a weakling that has a high ranking position due to his lineage. Oda subverts us by making him the weakest Holy Knight. Garling regrets that the twin with talent got away and became a pirate.
>>289303601>yonko+ tier fightersno such thing. Yonko are the peak of the OP world. We haven't seen someone who surpasses a yonko yet
>>289303873Lucci is the other big outlier because no way should Luffy have been able to beat the WG's #1 assassin.
>>289303916Luffy was clearly the dominant force against both Kizaru and elders in Egghead, his only issue was stamina and food. In this fight its not stamina, its him being completely outskilled at every level, he genuinely couldnt even land one hit
Did Oda get exposed to basedjaks or something?
>>289303854It didn't. They were fighting more or less equally while Kizaru was just looking for a way out to kill Vegapunk. Then Kizaru pretended to be out while saving Luffy.>b-but PizzaruNot only did this do no damage, it happened after Kizaru's spirit was completely broken by killing Vegapunk.
>fucking jobbers
>>289303873Pre time skip Lucci being so weak in retrospect is a bit weird considering how Kuma and vice admirals hype him up.Moria also not knowing any haki is weird.
>>289297918He can only find out if he fucks around, which he hasn't done as yet.>>289294306What does turtle dick look like? Is it big?
>>289304022Moria is fat and depressed, he probably lost the will to use it like Whitebeard.
>>289303754Kidd jobbed because he was a retard with way too big of an ego for someone who had to 2v1 his last fight, he went in head first against ANOTHER Yonko and got smacked down.Law jobbed because the further into the new world you get the stronger not just you but your entire crew needs to be and (save for Bepo) his crew is pathetic and weak and dragging him down As much as people drag Luffy's crew, most of them are at least competent in their own things, and he has 3 majorly strong crewmates instead of just 1 like the other two.
>>289302590how tight is she that a king is willing to betray his race
>>289303754>Big Mom simply hadn’t jobbed to Kidd and Law like she did>jobbedof course someone who uses the term jobbed is an idiot who doesn't understand anything. Kidd and Law are extremely strong fighters on their own, each close to luffy in strength, and they could only damage her with Law hax power with the strategy of using Kidd's powers to hold her. And even so they couldn't defeat or knock her out. They had to throw her into lava and she was still alive when she fell into lava.If anything Akainu won that fightOda>this character is so strong that even when she's past her prime two of the strongest characters have to combine their powers just to barely win by ring outyou>but why did she job she's so weakget some reading comprehension
It's 2026 and people are still pretending Kizaru wasn't heavily holding back in Egghead.
>>289304062Doesn't Law have an Elbaf giant on his crew from Sabaody? Why is he so weak?
>>289303918>Shanks defeated Kaidoheadcanonalso literally false because we see shanks with a swollen cheek
>>289301339>but chose to instead pave the way for Luffy>he should end up fighting Luffy over the last oneIf he really is luffy's ally, why fight him?
>>289304078>Pizzaru
>>289303923don't go full retard. agenda posting was supposed to be a joke, don't take it seriously.
>>289304096People think he's a buccaneer because of his proportions but people in One Piece have weird proportions all the time.
>>289304096He's just a tall human, nowhere near a giant
>>289304011Did he fake coughing up blood, too? sad or not Pizzaru received enough physical damage to be kept out of the fight until the arc ended. Luffy beat him. It's silly how Oda's attempts to give Kizaru character depth are misconstrued as "Oh he could totally kill Luffy if he actually wanted to!"
>>289304063>how tight is she?like a soft, wet vacuum chamber of joy and pleasure
>>289304149>agendapostingIts in the manga nigga
>>289304205Too big for a human, sadly.
>>289304211>Its in the manga niggashow me the page
>>289304233Tell that to Gaban.
>>289304062I can't believe Kidd fans want him to be alive after this. With his ship gone and his rubbings given away to Shanks he's completely out of the race for Pirate King. If you really liked him they would have wanted Shanks to kill him, because otherwise he's either going to be a grand fleet stooge like a slightly more pathetic version of Bellamy or he just gives up.
>>289304249Him being thrown out of heaven realm and surviving it
>>289304295Kuina's death becomes more laughable ever arc.
>>289304295kaido threw himself from the clouds for funso many problems could be solved if you people just read the manga
>>289294343
>>289303962>>289304022Cipher Pol were just effective contractors for the WG, but never on the same tier as the top brass. The way I look at it, they were basically comparable to what Prigozhin and the Wagner group was for Russia whose clout was a result of the government itself overhyping them but could be promptly eliminated the moment they ever got out of line.
>>289303854Admiral fan delusion. OP fans spend years betting on their faves' power and relevance to the point that what happens in the manga doesn't matter anymore. Like all the Sabaody callbacks in Egghead would be pointless if Luffy *still* couldn't beat Kizaru, who mind you is an underling of the actual main villain of the arc. Some people vastly overestimate the effect of the "mental nerf" in the fight's result.
>>289304233ye of little faith (also shrinking elixirs aren't impossible in One Piece)
one piece has been so ass lately that I’ve been playing videogames instead of discussing chapters and theorycrafting with the fandom like I used to every weekendI can’t believe Oda is so proud of devolving himself into the lame hack he is now
>>289304352Yeah that was top tier Kaido and that was 5 minutes old Loki you dumb retard
>>289304313>random human in east blue vs carefully engineered giga ancient giant from pure royal bloodTheres like zero comparison there
>>289304487>random human in east blue
>>289304487blud, Kuina will be revealed to be a secret child of a Holy Knight, mark my fucking words.
>>289304455wait a minute.You really think that 5 minutes old loki was stronger than adult Kaido?you're not just shitposting? You seriously believe that?do your parents know about your mental health? Are you getting help?
>>289304514nah, Koby will be made into a god as well, Oda won’t let him be a regular normie kid who worked hard to get where he is
>>289304198You really fail to read between the lines. He says he's been "seriously wounded" but refuses a medical attention because the "wound" is emotional, he killed his best friend. Coughing blood means fuck all, he could have kept going, bit his heart gave up.
>>289304524Wado Ichimonji will be revealed to be a supreme grade sword that simply hasn't been given a black coat yet. Mihawk didn't tell Zoro because he didn't want him to lean on it like a crutch.
>>289304514Koby trained super hard to go from fodder to like YC tier for years. Loki was born giga engineered by default
>>289303854>I’ve never understand the context for the meme that Luffy got manhandled by KizuruBecause it's the other way around.
Do you think Mayumi is tired of laughing like a retard?
>>289303237Trvke>>289303558>>289303869There is no way Meme and Koido are tanking an attack that can two-tap Loki. Imus AP is in another whole lv.
>>289304567Bruh, he was still one tapped halfway across an entire island and KO’d for multiple chapters before even getting up again to mutter some cope about “I-Its only my heart that hurts doc, not my body”. Pizzuru never had any chance against a serious G5 Luffy.
>>289303877At least Shanks tier.
>>289303558Domi Rocks one shot them.
>>289304729they tanked that
>>289304455You weren't supposed to point that out...
>>289304616People bring up the food delivery as evidence Kizaru won (granted, he recovered faster from his beating than Luffy did from his stamina drain) but by the same logic Luffy could have ended the fight here if he was a bit more violent. He toyed with Kizaru (as in, literally held him like a toy). I recall a videocall interview with Vincent Chansard in which he says something along those lines when asked about storyboarding the fight for the anime.
>>289304530You genuinely might be too autistic to brearh correctly
Is Imu an amalgamation of the 19 kings and their powers?
>>289304861no
bludmiral cockgulper logic if applied to literally any other situation:>Imu ain’t shit, Zoro and Sanji got back up and didn’t even need medical attention after getting one tapped and sent off flying in the distance by him
>>289304902Why not?
>>289304861I think the current form is just one of those kings who are trapped inside Imu and can change form depending on the situation. The real Imu is just that black blob.
>>289304861I think his "Devil's Fruit" power is either demon magic like Tot Musicia is or a really powerful "Mythical" fruit that allows him to conjure up different powers on a whim.I don't think he has the previous King's powers but his contracts certainly give him more strength (and weaknesses when his signatories die in combat.)
>>289305005>Imu has 19 formsThis is advanced Frieza nigga wtf
>>289304861I think Imu gave the Sea Covenant to the other 18kings in the void century, and eventually he took all their powers to himself.
>>289305029I like to think that its the OG devil fruit, and all others were made based on it
>>289304677Kizaru literally pretends to be hurt, anon. That's the thing, he's totally fine but pretends he can't fight because he's heartbroken. >>289304802Just because you caught someone, doesn't mean you can kill them. If Luffy believed he could off Kizaru, he would. But he threw him away because he knew he couldn't and wanted to give his friends time to escape.
>>289305030Yeah, but they wouldn't be much different in terms of strength. Maybe different techniques or race-specific advantages.
>>289305182Kaguya has the OG devil fruit and is the mother of all devil fruits. In the final battle everyone will turn into Nikaruto.
Need moar post-timeskip Nojiko
>>289304078>Goku gave Cell a senzu bean, that must mean he’s secretly stronger than him instead of retard
>>289303854>Has to pull out G5 to even hope to fight Kizaru.Dont you see the problem here? Base Luffy is weak as shit he may as well be a yonkou commander. Ever since G5, he couldnt fight the top tiers without going to that level which is pathetic.
>>289305266Goku gave Cell a senzu bean because of his supreme confidence in Gohan (I'm joking this is just dogshit writing to try and look cool). Kizaru has potentially not agreeing with the Gorosei's actions acting as his motivation.
>>289304078Admiral vs. Yonko was the prime powerlevel topic of the fanbase for most of its existence, people were never going to change their minds just from seeing evidence.>>289305266This Cell could have killed Goku still. Luffy couldn't even stand up when Kizaru saved him.
None of Kizaru’s feats actually show that he could fight Kaido/Big Mom and every top tier.
>>289305266What was his problem?
Powerlevelfags are like sportsfags without the connection to measurable reality
Storyfags are the gayest and shouldnt be taken seriously.
>>289304753They survived that, not the same.
>>289305339Kizuru has shown time and time again that he will still follow orders even if he doesn’t agree with them. Even sperged out at Akainu when Akainu insisted he might have purposely jobbed to Luffy. Just face it, G5 Luffy legitimately outclasses Kizuru in a 1v1 fight as anyone with the title of Yonko should outclass an admiral.
Goonfags reign supreme
Gunkofags stay winning!
>>289304861Imu likely bound himself to the 19 families who became the main CD bloodlines. His powers seem to work around contracts and binding.
>>289304078Kizaru wasn't holding back. The whole point of his justice is that he follows orders without question.
>>289305512Maybe Imu feeds himself out of despair; this is why he keeps the Celestial Dragons and their depravity around.
>>289305480>pretends to be down in front of his superior>saves his enemy after the superior ordered him apprehended>will still follow orders even if he doesn’t agree with themAnon, are you retarded? Kizaru's whole point is "unclear justice", he was playing both sides because he couldn't make his mind up.
Kizaru’s "fight" against Luffy wasn't a true battle; it was a miserable shift at work he was desperately trying to avoid. From start to finish, the Admiral put in the absolute bare minimum effort required to punch the clock.He treated Luffy like a nuisance rather than a target, consistently turning his back on the "Yonko" to target infrastructure or chase Vegapunk. He completely withheld his advanced Haki and elite close-quarters swordplay, relying solely on basic, easily deflected light lasers. Most telling of all, the second Luffy landed a solid hit, Kizaru immediately used it as an excuse to tap out.
>Storyfags
>>289305542Imu keeps them as cattle that will be sacrificed when he gets the mother flame functioning again.
>>289305512Mu said domination is the only true ideology
Kaido should have gotten the pika pika fruit. Imagine the thunder bagua going beyond lightspeed.
>>289305572>still won and killed vegapunkThis is really depressing. Imagine all you can do to lose and still win when fighting>yonkocrew btw
>>289305572The target was Vegapunk from the start, not Luffy.
Maybe the four massive bridges the WG has been building for centuries are meant to function as a ritual. It's a giant cross that claims thousands of lives each year and serves no real purpose.
>>289303792Imu is outright faster than Kizaru.
>>289305542The CD are a mirror of Imu's mental issues and rapist methods.
>>289305463This isn't a fire emblem thread anon, the meta here is fightfag vs plotfag vs gooners not storyfag vs gameplayfag
>>289303754Most of the problems with power scaling come from Big Mom.>Big Mom killing Jorul as a child>Big Mom fighting Kaido for 3 days>Big Mom jobbing to Shidd and LawDelete the giant feat and just say Kaido is stronger than Big Mom outright and most problems go away.
>>289305717To be fair, Teach is a bitch coward. His whole personality is avoiding confrontation until it benefits him.
>>289302437Who'd win, every arc antagonist working together pre-marinefold, or baby Loki?
Weird thing to say.
>>289305277Are you mentally challenged? You might as well say Kizaru is weak as shit because he uses his logia powers.
Im finishing egghead to catch up with the elbaph anime and holy shit man Vivi's VA barely sounds like her anymoreHow is she supposed to act during the final saga?
>>289305819KIZARU IS WEAK AS SHIT.
Admirals just arent that strong anymore...
reminder that Aokiji will lose to fucking Koby ohnonono
It's embarrassing how there are 4 admirals and they are still having problems around the world.
>>289305266>Goku gave Cell a senzu bean, that must mean he’s secretly stronger than himThe funny thing is that this was how most of the characters interpreted it, they didn't believe Gohan could be stronger than Goku.
>>289305819
>>289305789Yeah we know he didnt want to kill Vegapunk, doesn't mean he can actually beat Luffy in a fight. The fact that in the end he did kill Vegapunk and would have killed Bonney and Kuma if not for Luffy's timely intervention means his feigned ineffectiveness only goes so far, which is why It's silly when admiral fans pretend it had any bearing on the result of his fight with Luffy.
>>289305947Sentomaru would have KILLED SHITzaru here if he hadn't used a Light kick! Fruit merchant.
>>289305920Imu had to get off his ass because bludmirals are shit
>>289305947why did Kizaru drop a nuke here? Wasn't he holding back?
>>289305386>Admiral vs. Yonko was the prime powerlevel topic of the fanbase for most of its existenceSpeaks of the state of this fanbase because how can anyone read/watch marinefold and come out with the conclusion that the admirals, individually, are stronger than a Yonko?
>>289305731Good thing to know that I am a shitposter and I am basically doing a free for all. (Me encanta pelear muchísimo)
>>289305965Imu went because it was a challenge he could tackle at his power level. Admirals are for actual threats.
>>289305920Admirals have assloads of paperwork bro
>>289305999>Whitebeard enraged sneak attacked Akainu with his most powerful punch aimed at his head.>Akainu got back up immediately and took half of Whitebeards skull>Whitebeard then hit Akainu again with a body blow.>Akainu walked it off and started attacking pirates again.Speaks of the state of this fanbase because how can anyone read/watch marineford and come out with the conclusion that Yonko, individually, are stronger than an Admiral?
>>289305965Imu wanted to taste defeat, unfortunately everyone is too weak. Can you imagine it?! 800 years of constant boredom because nobody is strong enough to at least give you enough damage to stimulate your brain?! Think about Imu who is at the top of the world and has nothing else to climb?! Think on how alone he feels! All Imu wants is a good fight!
>3 years later>people still don't get that it wasn't that Kizaru was trying to kill Vegapunk or was not trying to kill Vegapunk but that he genuinely couldn't make his mind up about what he wanted
>>289306186>Akainu tanked a dying old manHoly FUARK what a CHAD
>>289306056Is fighting all you can think off?!
>>289306186Akainu felt into a ravine unable to move and stayed there for multiple chapters while Whitebeard kept fighting in spite of his injuries. Whitebeard won that encounter.
>>289306284Legitimately, could Usopp even beat this guy?
>>289305837She was already too old back during the Reverie episodes. Shanks and his crew are also way past their prime and sound like dying old men.
Usopp is useless. What does this guy even do? I am genuinely asking here.
>>289305763Baby Loki for sure, even pretimeskip Luccy is a joke compared to a simple pacifista, and those are also a joke compared to the animals Luffy uses to train with Ray and Elbaf animals.
>>289306284>Akainu felt into a ravine unable to move and stayed there for multiple chaptersLiterally just 2, he gets hit in 575 and reappears in 577. And he wasn't unable to move, he used the opportunity to cut off the WBP escape route unnoticed.
I hope Norway wins. Que le den a Inglaterra.
>>289306284Akainu fell into the ravine in 575Came back out in 577
>>289305763Depends who you count as the Long Ring Long Island antagonist. Because Aokiji would beat up to teen Loki.
>>289306465Basado
>>289305763Do you think Rob Lucci couldn't kill a giant baby if he tried
It's still pretty surreal to have Imu as the active main antagonist of an arc. Guess it was the only way to up the stakes from all 5 elders at Egghead.
>>289306366Support. He stopped Sunny's descent in Egghead (his main role in the arc as sad as it sounds), he caught Bao Huang on Onigashima and protected Tama so Nami could finish off Ulti, took out a lookout earlier. Stuff like that. He's not literally useless, just not a real main character anymore (his last main character worthy moment was sniping Sugar 12 years ago).
>>289306499Current awakened Lucci might stand a chance. I wouldn't bet for Lucci tho, after all he jobbed to Zolo.
>>289306499A baby with a Kaido tier feat of falling from the heavens and shrugging it off? Adult Kaido with a mythical zoan that gives him super durability thought jumping from that high would he enough to kill him, and baby Loki no diffed it.
>>289306495I like Haaland and don't like England.
Kizurufags are desperately tip toeing around the fact that Luffy still destroys him or any admiral so long as he’s in G5, and there’s gonna come a point where his whole downtime/recovery mode shit is no longer a thing that happens.
>>289306499Loki already was the 2nd strongest gigant in Elbaf since the second he was born.
>>289306499It really does depend if you think pre TS Lucci is stronger than a giant bear. Cause Loki decapitated one of those before climbing back. It's funny cause he not only improved on Kaido's famous feat but also Big Mom's (killing a giant as a small child).
We love Vikings here, and in real life.
>>289306531Lucci has tekkai, armament, a zoan to increase toughness, life return to buff himself in size, and awakening. Him defending against Zoro was expected. Pre haki and awakening there's no chance he'd beat someone pulling Kaido feats even as a baby.
>>289305733>Big Mom jobbing to Shidd and LawYou really only have to delete this one to maintain congruity. Big Mom should be a powerhouse, and her arc is kino. No need to delete her existence entirely.
>>289306573The light fruit is pretty disappointing compared to the lightning fruit honestly.
>>289305733>Big Mom jobbing to Shidd and LawMid and Law were supposed to be around admiral tier in Odas mind (3B bounty, just like the admirals).A yonko losing 2 two admiral tiers seems normal.
>>289305921Toriyama was always good at having the story itself point out if a character is doing something irrational.
>>289306649Kizaru is too lazy to use the Light fruit properly. Meanwhile Enel worked hard to use the lightning DF to its max potential. If Enel ever comes back, he will have his DF awakened.
>>289306708>If Enel ever comes back, he will have his DF awakened.Pretty sure Enel is the only Logia to ever awaken. The dude had a fucking god form.
>Has the light fruit>All he does is shoot laser beams, kick and engage in melee.Fucking pathetic devil fruit user.
>>289305819Kizaru wouldn't go very far without his logia powers.
Need to breed this babe
>>289306760Motivated Kizaru is basically The Flash. But that's for the final arc.
>>289306760Oda is genuinely too dumb to grasp what Kizaru could do
>>289306760What do you want him to do mate?
>>289306861
¡VAMOS VAMOS NORUEGA!
The new thread, where is it
>>289307035Too busy watching world cup to make one.
>>289306826you have to pay the nami fee tho
>>289307035Gone. It never existed.
>>289307122I'm willing to pay any price
WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT KIZARU THE NEXT THREAD NOW.
/opg/ is... Really silent tonight.
>>289307164Why not talk about him here while you still have the chance?
Norway lostIt’s over....
>>289300413Cute
