Isn't old good = new bad just boomerism? "Back in my day we had real music" type talk?
I have a gen alpha nephew who prefers cell animation over digital ones.
>>289312169I think Gen Alpha will be the first to not care about Evangelion
>>289312169It would be if it wasn't true. Lots of classic anime makes its way through the zoomiesphere (Azumanga Daioh most recently I think) and the ones with taste stick around. The kids are alright.
>>289312169Console war faggotry should be punishable by death.
>>289312169I think the anime industry is one of the clearest examples of the quality actually just getting worse with time, stagnant Japanese economy slowly making shows look worse. As for the general style of story telling, it is boomerism. I like my mid 2000s shows and am annoyed they don't make 'em like they used to. You'll probably do the same.
>>289312485I'm 33. I wouldn't say mid 2000s is truly old. By that point there was enough anime airing you can say anime was fine. I am talking about retro faggotry
>>289312169Setting aside the quality of writing and the stories themselves. Old anime was legitimately made with a completely different process that tended to have very different results from today. There was indeed crap back in the day that is mostly forgotten now. But handdrawn cel anime led to unique aesthetics that are very objective and lots of people really like.
>>289312792The best of it looks good in a way that modern anime never can. There's kind of an even split between old good new bad & old bad new good in media. I would say a lot of visual media has gotten worse in its content, and possibly its visual aesthetic. On the other hand you have stuff like classical music where the dogshit best efforts of modern composers are seemingly eternally BTFO by stuff from 100 uears ago, or 400 years ago.
>>289312260Yeah, just like how no zoomer cares about Blade Runner. Oh wait...
>>289312169>boomerismNo, it's actually under8 newfag hipsterism, thinking they're special snowflakes who're born in the wrong generation.
>>289313770I've talked to enough 40-50 year old anime fans to know this isn't true.>>289313459Nope. Modern stuff can be just as good
>>289312169I feel that it's an unequal comparison, music has been getting better, it's only record label stuff that's worse because the lowest common denominator has gotten worse. Anime is still expensive to make, most shows, in any year, are gonna be mid, and personally, I feel we've seen a decrease in masterpieces (then again, it's hard to judge something as a masterpiece when it's a recent release)
>>289314556It's not even getting worse. Your boomer parents liked KISS and ACDC.
>>289312169The idea that someone likes all eras of anime the same despite the vast difference in techniques, styles, trends and genres can only happen out of ignorance.Congrats, your taste coincide with modern output. You are the majority already why bother fighting the minority of fans that genuinely enjoy the past more if not for some self esteem issues?
>>289314648I am 33 and first watched anime on VHS in 1996. I was not the most hardcore fan back then of course, i was young, but I am a lifelong fan of super robot anime even that genre has largely died and become a niche. Most of the guys who got into anime through violent movies and OVAs like Ninja Scroll, Gits, Akira and Guyver got filtered by anime, and still bitch about it to this day. You can even see the tourists bitching about the new gits even if those guys watched it in the 90s
>>289314556>music has been getting betterHAHAHAHA, You have GOT to be shitting me
>>289312169Why are Asuka's femurs 4ft long
>>289314720i bet you like faggy 80s hair metal
>>289314614Let me elaborate a bit on music: Most music I like is new, but it tends to be from independent artists. Record labels used to produce a constant stream of 5-7/10s with the occasional 8/10 (KISS and AC/DC would fall under this). Now they produce a solid stream of 3-5/10 with the occasional 6 here and there.Anime (animation in general, but this is /a/ so I won't delve into stuff that's the realm of /co/) is too labor intensive to reliably be done independently, so it's not really possible to do a 1:1 comparison.
>>289314722Because Rei is best girl.
>>289314789>with the occasional 8/10 (KISS and AC/DC would fall under this).Ok you don't really deserve an opinion then. You're probably like 50 and seen less than 100 anime.
>>289314801shut up faggot
>>289312169notice the emphasis on her pussy
>>289314789 (Me)Addendum: I guess my biggest complain about label music is also what draws me to older shows; With music, there's a certain vibe that can only really happen when there's only one person composing and mixing (singing too if there's lyrics). With older anime, teams were usually smaller and everyone was tasked with more stuff, so it feels more like the product of the people involved than the product of a company>>289314817Their entire catalog falls under the "constant stream of 5-7/10 with the occasional 8/10", not "the ocassional 8/10"
>>289314864kiss and acdc are 1/10s. let me guess. motley crue are good music
>>289312169>>289314826mommy is puffy, the illustrator was based as fuck
>>289312169no, new is genuinely bad right now because everything is getting flooded with AI. ironically the boomers love AI.
>>289314826Asuka > big boobsRei > big vagina
>>289314876I class something as a 5/10 if I feel indifferent, 6/7 if I wouldn't go out of my way to seek it, but don't mind if I stumble upon it.Idk why you're latching so hard on this, they're far, far from the shit I normally listen to, my first post is literally me saying modern music is overall better>motley crueZero clue what it is
>>289314926Rei's are actually bigger. Google groundworks of Eva. You can see their tits and Asuka looks emaciated while Rei has these bazookas
>>289314959Rei appreciators, are (You) tired of winning ?
>>289315023We aren't winning unless we get our own sex clone to fuck
>>289315045Sexbots will solve the problem.
>>289312169The last and truest of red pills is acknowledging that every decade has good and bad art which is just defined by the constraints of its time. I have a couple of friends that consume a lot of anime and manga but they still haven't gotten around to watching NGE even though they are "uncs". If they finally did and thought it was mid, overhyped or just not that good I wouldn't be suprised because it has to compete against everything that was made after and was influenced by it without nostalgia glasses. And even seasoned boomers who rewatch it will find more and more flaws that were easy to ignore because you were distracted by cybernetic mechas, booba and "muh religious mysticism". After playing all the games, reading all the tidbits in art books and forum posts you finally get the whole story: Anno was depressed, tried to get more people into the medium anime and just cobbled together anything he could find to make something the main stream would accept. And it did.
>>289312169Yes.
>>289315208Old school tourists who have not seen 100 anime to this day LMAO
>>289312169It's common to every generation whose population has reached the age of 20.
>>289312169Media was objectively better when it wasn’t scared of pandering to straight men.
>>289313614They don't, not until the Blade Runner sequel came out with their favorite 'licchrully-me frfr ong' actor
Two things can be true at once. Good things every now and then does not mean the overall trend is good
>>289316328kek
>>289312169Equating all old good new bad into boomerism is retarded.Sometimes old times just were genuinely better.
>>289316900Old times are only better when you had enough of a sample size. It's like someone saying the modern NBA sucks because of the 3 point shot obsession. That's a legitimate case. Why? You could watch 120 NBA games in the 80s per year. You can do that now. But with anime, many of these same people do not know shit about anime despite claiming to be fans for 3-4 decades.
>>289316928I don't really understand the NBA analogy
>>289315193I'm a zoomer and I avoided NGE for a long time. After I watched it and rewatched it over the years I can say it's probably the best anime ever. But I noticed it's not for everyone. Some people really can't get into the psychological stuff and watch it for the mechas which is crazy to me.
>>289316998I used the NBA as an analogy because its one of the few cases where its not just nostalgia to say the product was better back then. In 1992, if you were watching anime, you had a small curated list at best. Probably not even 10 percent of what came out in Japan a year. In 1992, you could reasonably watch 400 hours of games a year. No different than you can do today. Its not nostalgia if you can see a large picture of the past. You couldnt' do that with anime, but could with basketball.
There was more artistry in the cel era.I think visually the worst time was the early 2000s when they first switched to digital like saikano for example
>>289317112now how much stock animation was in that show
>>289317018I like it because the girls are sexy. It wasnt that deep
>>289317139its not a show its a movie
>>289312169>Isn't old good = new bad just boomerism?No because more than half the time, it's younger people spamming "OLD GOOD NEW BAD" with very limited perspectives on older anime or newer anime. Often times a lot of the people defending modern anime in this kind of OLD GOOD NEW BAD discourse are bigger fans of older anime than the people shitting on newer anime.
>>289315193
Reminder that we had a traditionally animated cel anime OP last year. Not something imitating cel animation, but ACTUAL cel animation.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7dMpRMTSkU
>>289312169Fuck off, anime and gaming were so much better back in the day.
>>289318275Great. Maybe this year we'll also get another major motion picture filmed on a hand-crank.
>>289318300
>>289318300>phone filename>suddenly video gamesI'm convinced that 0% of 'old good = new bad' posters are crossboarders.
>>289318300Unironically kino of the highst order.
>>289318343I meant >>289318275 of course.
>>289318194>Old Gold Nu PooFtfy
>>289312169No, there has been a general decline in the quality of big budget productions, due to market forces, increased competition and worse profit margins.This is unlike the trend in music, where the cost of producing and releasing music has been relatively constant and even old styles are still conmercially viable even today (and there is less pressure to deliver a commercially viable product in the first place as the risk is more concentrated)
>>289318318Based As'ka.
I'm a zoomer and I admit that things were better back in the day. More talent, more effort, more passion, better execution, better writing, better direction, and better animation. In the last 10 years there have been maybe 2-3 noteworthy anime, whereas 20 years ago there were probably 10-20.
>>289312169The 90s was literally the best decade to be an anime fan. It hit the sweet spot of when the anime industry was starting to mature and before sovlless techniques like CGI and rigging took over.>Cowboy Bebop>Neon Genesis Evangelion>CHADgon CHAD Z>Sailor Moon>Gundam Wing>Berserk>Trigun>Ghost in the Shell>SlayersThe list goes fucking on.
>>289318947You notice its always DBZ fans who are deluded enough to think this.
>>289318963DBZ was a huge influence on Shonen Jump writers, even moreso than Hokuto no Ken.
>>289319004Again, that doesn't make it good. Especially the anime which wasn't even a good adaptation. The manga is a fast paced fighting manga. The anime is slow with 10 minute power up scenes
>>289319066So? That doesn't stop it from being a fondly remembered classic.
>>289312169Boomers are rightResearch proves that music is getting simpler over the years, with modern tunes relying more on loops and basic structures.
>>289312247Cel alone isn't enough. My little brothers and sisters all thought Cowboy Bebop looked cool when I showed it to them, but none of them were actually interested in watching it.
>>289319412Popular music yes. If you dig deep beyond the mainstream(you know, as anime fans should be doing) you will note this isn't happening.>>289319333Yes, and that's nostalgia.
>>289318726I'm a zoomer and you don't speak for us. We have tons of great shows like Apothecary Diaries, Frieren, Chainsaw Man, Sakamoto Days, Devilman Crybaby, New Fruits Basket, Fate Strange Fake, Orb, Spy X Family, Odd Taxi, Gundam GQuux, Dandadan, The Summer Hikaru died, Osomatsu Kun S1-S2, SSSS Gridman and Dynazenon, Saiki K, City the Animation, JoJos and so many more.There's no clear binary answer to this. There were talented people back then, and there are talented people now.As for me, I'd rather have this current crop of anime than all the pseudophilosophical look at me crap like The Big O or Serial Experiments Lain, the former of which has some of the most horrendously offensive usage of soundtracks and pretentious themes I've seen in anime.
>>289319532Extremely brown post. Do not engage.
>>289319456>only the best are remembered!>this isn't as good as you remembered!You anti-nostalgiatards keep contradicting yourselves.
>>289319712Nice try jeet
>>289312169Who cares?
>>289312169They've been making good anime since at least the 1970s and when people rec you 20th century titles they're usually telling you to watch the peak of the era, the shows that have stood the test of time, not generic seasonal stuff. Generic seasonal stuff from before like the mid-late '90s usually don't even have subs (and there are plenty of good unsubbed or partially subbed shows too)Also I think the 1990s style is really pretty, but that's just aesthetic preference.
>>289319532Lain is better than all the crap mentioned. Excellent cinematography and sound integration, we dont have something as artistic as that today. I suposse by your halfbaked description that you didnt engage with the show.>Apothecary Diariesgood show, lain is better>Frierengood show, lain is better>Chainsaw Mangarbage>Sakamoto Dayspeople fight garbage>Devilman Crybabycool but lain is better>New Fruits Basketgarbage>Fate Strange Fakegarbage >Orbgood but lain is better >Spy X Familygarbage>Odd Taxigood but lain is better >Gundam GQuuxbait>Dandadanyeah this is bait>The Summer Hikaru diedyou have to be kidding>Osomatsu Kun S1-S2old shit>SSSS Gridman and Dynazenongarbage>Saiki Kunfunny>City the Animationstudio visuals test; lain is the same but better >JoJosold shit and garbage Thank you for agreeing with me.
>>289312169Anime is still good, but “””music””” definitely sucks now
>>289318319>>289312169It's "old = good, new = bad", retards
>>289316317Pandering was always reluctant. The difference is that back then the otakus had the industry wrapped around their finger with the Japanese economic miracle giving everyone free money, which they had nothing meaningful in their life to spend it on, and none of the normalfags bought anime anyway, so they had to pander to the only one who did.Now that normalfags got into anime and they can make profit from streaming, pandering to otaku is unnecessary or even detrimental.Yes there are some creators who love lewds, but they're in the minority and usually not in too high positions: animators and character designers, not directors and producers.
>>289315023Rei > Asuka>>289315045True.>>289315161Hope.
You know that Rei is finally going to get the series that gives her the win. That was basically the premise of Nier: Automata. 9S the Shinji-like character growing close to the distant, Rei-like 2B. All the while the Asuka-like A2 would interject between them. Rei is winning this time, boys. Buckle up.
>>289314556>music has been getting betterReally? Indie shit is just rehashes of the same subgenres from the 2000s but overproduced and modern-rap inspired because ghetto trash is the current pop culture zeitgeist; it's even effected j-pop. Most anime OPs/EDs are some form of jiggatune now
Genuine question, where the FUCK does "better animation" even come from when people circlejerk older anime? OVAs? Movies? Every season for the last 15 years we have animation standards in TV anime that would blow the fucking minds of TV anime watchers 30 years ago.The only studio that was consistently putting out god-tier TV anime animation in the 1990s was Sunrise, but Sunrise is fucking Sunrise and has been putting out god-tier TV anime animation in the 2000s, 2010s and 2020s.Have you people actually fucking sat down and watched a 50+ episode 90s anime from beginning to end when you circlejerk over how great animation used to be? Or is it easier to just watch 1-6 episode OVAs, movies, and the handful of 26 episode or less TV series from the cel era and pretend to be an anime expert?
>>289323757>OVAs? MoviesCherry picked clips. Sometimes even something like Vision of Escaflowne had incredibly beautiful animation that does blow away anything today. Too bad it last for 3 seconds and that same clip gets spammed to infinity.
>>289323973>Vision of EscaflowneI love Escaflowne as much as the next guy but Escaflowne was a Sunrise series. Sunrise produced digital mecha anime that dances around TV Escaflowne (King Gainer, Gundam Thunderbolt) in terms of animation quality. And moving away from mecha and Sunrise to fantasy, Mushoku Tensei (particularly the first season) exceeds Escaflowne in terms of character animation and fantasy animation.
>>289324134Sunrise mecha always looks good desu, here's g-witch.
>>289318300That meme came out during what a huge chunk of the people reposting it consider "the good old days"
>>289312169Old good new bad makes no sense in the anime and japanese games market, they put out consistent high quality stuff, it does make sense in music and movies, the newer stuff is just garbage, but I also think we're slowly getting better movies and music, Rap/Trap is going out of style and indie movies this year were at least watchable.>Isn't old good = new bad just boomerism?Everyone will claim stuff was better in the old days, you simply enjoy things more when you're a kid/teenager, which is why we should measure things as objectively as possible.
i just like how people worshipped tech back thennowadays it's gone, fuckers will draw 3d cars in otherwise beautiful animu because why not who cares bout cars lol
Asuka #1
>>289323757animation made more sense in the pastlike they would do a coherent action thing that you could follow and understandtoday they just flash shit and tick tock brains are happyI was watching black torch ep1 just yesterday. Pretty beautiful visually sure but they had characters teleport to avoid drawing actual action. And it's damn ep1. It's where you flex you skill. Except there is none.
Most of the people on this site wouldnt know anything about good anime or music.
>>289312169Back in my day we had real NTR
>>289325638>but they had characters teleport to avoid drawing actual actionReminds me of how much 50+ episode action anime in the 80s-90s wouldn't even animate attacks in some episodes and it was just sliding cels or a barrage of fists over non-moving characters.
>>289318275We have an anime with actual, legitimate cel-drawn segments this season too. Sayonara Lara. Pic related for proof.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOfC_4qCa9c
>>289326246So cool!
>>289318275>>289326246Is this a new trend or something? this is the first I've heard of modern anime using cels.
>>289326246Cell bros we are so back!!!
>>289326246Retrofags don't care because this show isn't edgy or violent enough for them
>>289325940Author went to fuck children in SEA and died from covid. God takes the best.
>>289323757The barrier of entry to animation was much higher pre-digital, though. Animators really had to git gud. There was no Adobe Animate or ToonBoom.
>>289327387>The barrier of entry to animation was much higher pre-digital, though. Animators really had to git gud.Not really, no. There were countless amounts of throwaway basement studio-tier OVAs that looked like they were recorded with the budget of a pack of ramen.You don't really see anime that looks this terrible anymore because the OVA format died, except for random indie anime that gets uploaded to the internet.
>>289327387>>289327592If anything the fact that anime's fucking gatekept by TV broadcasting standards in Japan and streaming services in the West means that we rarely do get stuff that look as bad as the worst of the worst of the cel era. The worst of the worst of the cel era could just be recorded at home and went directly to video.
>>289327651>recorded at homerecorded at a makeshift college "studio"***
>>289327651IMO this isn't nostalgia talking as I watched Kaleido Star and Zegapain recently, but we rarely see high's like that in anime anymore. But we don't see any lows and things are always at least OK across the board.
>>289327693I watch older anime all the time myself.These "highs" were always very rare and people are too eager to call things masterpieces or 10/10s.
>>289326246Years ago people were coping with>"animators can't look like cel anime anymore because digital is shit"and then in the last few years we started getting examples of digital anime that replicated the cel look 100% faithfullyThen people started coping>"well, sure, but we lack the talent and technology to do cels, it's a lost artform. this is just a copy"And now modern anime is literally using cels.What's the next fucking cope? >"yeah sure we have the talent and technology to do cels now, but the artstyle's not right">>289327387Nigga it's literally just drawing and painting, if you were doodling in grade school you were already doing half the work.
>>289327992Wasn't there a company somewhere that started producing animation cels again? I remember reading that a few years ago and that's probably why.
>>289327772I get that. there Are 5-10 truly amazing seasonal anime back in that decade. I am still searching for something this decade that hits the spot.
>>289327992It will become more and more obvious as time goes on, the idea of being an anime fan is far more attractive than being one. I said this in another thread. It's vastly more difficult to watch 10 seasonal anime a week than it is to pay(back in 90s money) 129 dollars for a 13 episode show. Sustaining interest in anime is VERY difficult.>>289328211And to better explain, there's a lot of great shows this decade so far, but nothing that hit this weird spot of mine so far.
>>289327992>doodling>already doing half the workYou're a complete moron. Cel animation was more labor-intensive than digital. Animators had to manually draw every single frame. Cels had to be perfectly aligned over painted backgrounds before being photographed one by one. Anime was much harder to craft in a time before all the quality-of-life features provided by modern technology.
>>289328665>Animators had to manually draw every single frameAnimators still do.There isn't some magical "draw anime" button that does the work for you.>cels had to be perfectly aligned over painted backgroundsAs does digital anime.>before bieng photographed one by oneYes, thanks for telling us something everybody knows.>Anime was much harder to craftMore expensive***>quality-of-life featuresStudios used to fucking cut corners in the cel era all the time to make up for the lack of quality of life features.But please, go on about the latent talent behind some classic anime like Dai no Daibouken reusing the same fucking 5 second animation loop 5 times in a single episode.I fucking swear, you people think painting and drawing is some kind of lost art that you need to have hidden knowledge to be able to do. The reason anime is the way it is, and has been the way it is for the last 50-60 years, is because of how easy it is to draw and paint on a base level.
>>289328955>latent talent behind some classic animeCell really was an 90s animation team's passionate labor of love. They had to redraw his spots every single frame. This went on for 61 episodes. Way more based than talentless Nu Toei resorting to CGI for the recent movie despite having a bigger budget.
>>289312169Asuka is having sex with Kensuke in this precise moment.
>>289312169Asuka is having sex with Kensuke in this precise moment
I hate everything equally, evangelion's authors and its fandom are whores of shit, no exceptions.From my point of view, all animation is a matter of taste, the only good thing is watching you destroy yourselves.
>>289333808>>289330839>>289331173>>289331213Why is it that every thread that as an image of Asuka has the Kensuke retard cry and starts spamming the thread. While jannies for some fucking reason refuse to clean up his spam.There's no reson this fucking retard is throwing a bitch fit about Eva outside of spamming the thread and trying to keep it up
I hate everything equally, >>289333808 and his shitposts is a whore of shit, no exceptions.From my point of view, all animation is a matter of taste, the only good thing is watching you destroy yours
>>289334361Get Backers was shit
>>289328955The guy's an idiot, don't waste your time with him anon
>>289312169>>289315023>>289315193>>289318246>>289325275i'm having baby making unprotected lovey dovey marital sex with rei and asuka, both at the same time (asuka already got pregnant)
>>289335748wtf based Kensuke
>>289312169Have you ever thought about the fact humanity has been constantly falling since the early 90s
>>289337998This isn't true you stupid fucking zoomer. The 90s were one of the best times for the USA
>>289338058fuck the usa
>>289335748>>289336288>>289330839>>289331213Is this retard a janny because why is it can spam the thread with this Kensuke shit and not get banned
El PeruANO ROTO
>>289339825This no longer works. The Asuka short saved us all from this. Whatever you think of this post rebuild world, at least we are free from nonsense like this polluting the discussion.
>>289339825He literally has been doing the exact same shitpost word-for-word for years now. It's not even funny, just obnoxious>>289339980The short just made him want to be a bigger retard since people don't give a fuck about it so he's now left spamming and replying to himself because he knows jannies won't ban him.
>>289340110It does not matter. It does not work anymore. Thank goodness.
>>289312169Survivorship bias!People only remember the great old shows, and compare all the new shows unfavorably. But a lot of the old stuff was forgettable crap.People hold up EVA as a standard, but nobody talks about Gokinjou Monogatari or Mojakou.
>>289312169no everything old is actually better, like there is a 9/10 chance, only 1 of new shit is better
>>289340246they probably still mog the shit out of the five billions anime released monthly
>>289340246>People only remember the great old shows, and compare all the new shows unfavorably1995 was amazing year for animeNow everything is meh. We get ok shows but nothing that people will re watch in 2055. Unless anime collapses as a medium then maybe they will.
>>289340659Again, why are you even here then? You didn't even watch the old shit and you're complaining about the new shit.
And this is anecdotal, but I've noticed a lot of "old good new bad" like AI slop. So they are not good judges of quality.
>>289312169What do we call the "old=bad" attitude that is often seen among new gen anime watchers?
>>289340691>you didn't even watch the old shithow you know you faggot?>why are you hereis a for nu anime only now?are you forgetting also about ongoing series like one piece?
>>289341054It's the new contrarian underlying current, unfortunately i've seen it before but what is old now was new when many people started watching anime and so on. But honestly things are slightly better it's just that some things have a nostalgic value. For me it's love hina, it's stupid but it was that feel of watching the dvd's and getting angry because the idiot MC.
>>289341256>contrarian is when you don't like nu garbageare you serious? is everything you based on what is currently trending?
>>289341349She's got such a tight little body.
>>289341391I like what i like but /a/ is the place to discuss seasonal anime and it's currently trending
>>289341113You should say with certainty then. When you say probably it implies you didn't watch part of it. Are you saying One Piece is good? Because modern one piece is 100 percent slop
>>289340767Yeah it's a nasty little characteristic of theirs. There's tons of AIslop in Slayers threads for instance. Older people are known to be more fond of AI though so maybe that's just consistent with demographic trends.
>>289341421uhum
>>289312169>Isn't old good = new bad just boomerism? "Back in my day we had real music" type talk?Pretty much, yeah. The trick is that time and nostalgia tend to separate the wheat from the chaff and there has ALWAYS been an overwhelming amount of chaff compared to wheat. However, there's also something to be said for "bad" generally meaning different things. 0079, for example, is pretty shit in a lot of ways. It abuses stock animation wantonly, the art can be incredibly derp, the audio mixing is awful, the writing was often erratic, the ending was a hack job, etc. However, you don't get that flavor of "bad" nearly as much in modern shows. Bad modern shows are generally just formulaic, boring as shit, often butcher the source material in the rare case the the source material was ever any good and lean on cheap CGI which IMO is way uglier than cheap animation. You do get the rare exception where the technical execution is outright hideous in addition to these factors (case in point Lucifer and Biscuit Hammer - jesus fucking christ what an abortion that thing was) but "bad" seems to mostly mean "soulless paint-by-the-numbers corporate slop" contemporaneously.I don't think that pound-for-pound anime has gotten dramatically much better or worse if you judge shows in their context. If you don't believe me, go to anilist and look at what was new on TV in a given year. Some years punch above their weight and some below and it can vary based on specific genre interests but I would say that a handful of "good" shows in a given year (which isn't that helpful given how much more TV anime is made these days but fuck you I can't be bothered to work out a more reasonable percentage-based assessment) is probably about average. And I'm not talking about "fuck you I like it" or "so bad it's good" or sequel cours or sequel shows or shows that """critics""" enjoyed, I mean new shows that you would go to bat for as being above par in one way or another.
>>289314752NTA but I'd take "faggy 80s hair metal" over nigger music anyday, rap fans are genuine subhumans.
>>289341644You are a faggot and I only listen to anime music. Faggot ass hair metal lover.
>>289341505So its not about quality by that point. It's just nostalgia. At that point. I don't even care if you watched Macross fansubs in 1985. If you are too narrow minded or too lazy to read a seasonal chart for 5 minutes, you are a tourist.
>>289314752NTA but name an album in the last 20 years that’s better than Urban Hymns or (WTS)MG.
>>28931519395% of everything is shit.Music, art, books, movies, games... at best generally diverting but forgettable, at worst irredeemable trash. In every entertainment 'classics' debate, you're mostly dealing with survivorship bias. Beethoven wasn't the only composer at the time, after all.That said, I do feel that a lot of the entertainment industries have been ... how to put it... over-optimised? Focus grouped/audience surveyed to death. Cookie-cutter production to ensure a safe return on investment, and I almost threw up a little using finance-speak when it comes to artistic work. Again, nothing new, see despairing art critics through the ages or the existence of boy bands/idol groups, but it just feels so much MORE. Old man shouts at clouds, perhaps.
>>289340246Even with favoritism and rose colored glasses 1995 was a banger year maybe the best since the 80s then '96, '97, '98 all put out legendary classics and a crowded field.
>>289312169I hate younger zoomers so much-t. 1997 zoomer
>>289319423They're too young to appreciate it
>>289319953I didn't read all of this. I think lain is objective one of the best anime ever made, though I don't think that I would put it up with my favorites. Many of the ones you posted about I like more than lain and would debate on if they're better or not, but I do want to emphasize that lain is very close to being the peak of the entire artform. However, objectivity aside, just as an example, I personally enjoyed haibane renmei more because I resonates with the characters more, but I think it's the weaker show of the two.
>>289323757Anon, the reality is that the same thing which is true today has always been trueMost anime and most animation is dogshit. But as time goes on, everybody remembers the good and no one remembers the bad, though they existed in roughly equal measures across all periods. So when people talk about good animation back then, then talk about the best of the best because they've probably only seen the best of the best. Ancientfaggots who have been watching this stuff for 40 years will tell you that this is true.
>>289335748Kensuke...
>>289312169Kensuke...
>>289335748Kensuke....
>>289344732You have no power here.
>>289344827People don't even shitpost along with him anymore. The only real issue is how jannies just don't deal spam or his low quality off topic shitpost like the used too.
>>289344874Again. It doesn't matter anymore. Post AsuShin.
>>289319532>Lists slop>There's no clear binary answer to this.What a redditor take
>>289340246There're lots of garbage OVAs that're still remembered, though. Like MD Geist, Apocalypse Zero, Violence Jack, etc. Your notion that "only the best are remembered" has been debunked numerous damn times.
>>289345368IMO consequences of many of the OG anime fans in the 90s being unironic comic book fans. People who like American comic books largely have no taste, and them being among the early pre-internet era of anime fans is why we see so much whining about cute girls in anime.
>>289312169>"Back in my day we had real music" It's absolutely true
>>289345517You can go back to /pol/ and you likely don't watch anime.
>>289345399Its sort of like how Cowboy Bebop and DBZ fans are normalfags as well
>>289345568>>289345517The spammer is a fucking janny. Like how is it you ignore this shit just because someone said "nigger" and I know nobody reported that post for how fast it got deleted >>289344106>>289344612>>289344639
>>289345399I didn't say anything about American comic books, dumbass.
>>289345568Based janny, not deleting spam but shit
>>289345811That's been a huge issue with Eva threads for a while. He will keep up that faggot mass spam but if you say a no-no word you get banned instantly. The fact that's the post that triggered him says a lot.
>>289345811The Kensuke spammer may be hopping IPs, so perhaps janny is just waiting to mass ban them.
>>289345858Reading comprehension. The kind of people who thought MD Geist and Apocalypse Zero had to go to comic stores quite often. Where do you think they got anime?
>>289346385That was my point before. A lot of infamous anime are still remembered to this day which debunks the myth that "only the best are remembered".
>>289346482MD Geist and Apocalypse Zero are kinda hard to forget. I'll be blunt here. Really how many of those tv shows in 1995 are remembered? Goldran wasn't even subbed until the 2010s and it was never translated into any language aside from Korean and maybe a few other Asian nations back then. Some things are remembered, but not in a good way.
>>289345591>Cowboy Bebop and DBZIt attracts "normalfags" because both shows are absolute bangers, better than most anime made today.
>>289346610Cowboy Bebop I'll agree. DBZ absolutely not. Those are very opposite of the spectrum anime.
>>289342893>1995 was a banger year maybe the best since the 80sAbout that, actually. The early 90s are kind of seen as a little dark age for anime since there was a stigma/boogeyman about otaku in the early 90s due to the otaku killer who raped and killed a bunch of little girls.You'll just notice that outside of OVAs, there's a huge drop-off of anime that appeal to otaku compared to the late 80s or mid-late 90s. Most anime in this period were aimed at children, and the few that weren't explicitly aimed at children were aimed at all audiences.People who complain about the state of anime today don't realize how fucking lucky we are that Japan got over its otaku scare in the early 90s.
>>289346574Other than Evangelion, there's Gundam Wing, Slayers, Tenchi Muyo, Fushigi Yuugi, Sorcerer Hunters, El-Hazard, etc. That can be counted on more than 1 hand. Proof that 1995 was such a good year to be anime fan.
>>289346672DBZ absolutely is and I'm saying this as someone who isn't a shonenspic and won't touch /dbs/ with a 10 inch pole. DBZ was exceptionally good even compared to battle shonen standards in the 90s.There's a reason shonen's been unwatchable for the last 20 years and the only good shonen this decade have been re-adaptions of 30-40 year old manga (Dai no Daibouken, Samurai Yaiba)
>>289346686Well it might have driven them away from TV shows but the OVA market certainly did pick up that slack. Early 90s gave us banner shows like Plastic Little, Burn up! (I guess) and Devil Hunter Yohko which, formulaic though it is probably helped open the door for Sailor Moon which was the tip of the spear when it came to 90s anime abroad. Also those 45 Minute OVAs were what got ADV the capital they needed to import more shows and forced MANGA to be more competitive. So maybe early 90s anime was vilified but it would seem that it was more moved into the VCR market and that was nothing but positive for the genre going forward.
>>289346736>10 inch pole10 foot pole***
>>289346694You act like Gundam Wing and Fushigi Yuugi aren't polarizing. Slayers yeah. Dude it wasn't as good as you thought. Fushigi Yuugi was maybe good for its time I guess. >>289346686Their own "video games make you violent" phase?
>>289346736Ok. You can enjoy your fucking 10 minute power up scenes. I bet you also think Saint Seiya is a quality anime.
>>289346686Yeah there are a lot of kiddy fucking shows in that 1995 list lol
>>289325260Everything in your image has been replaced with a tablet mounted in the dashboard.
>>289346759>Their own "video games make you violent" phase?Yes. In the late 80s stuff like lolicon was borderline mainstream in anime/manga spheres with very little push back and with how fanservicey and violent anime was getting, especially in OVA spheres it wasn't uncommon for really popular OVAs like Dream Hunter Rem to literally just be little girls being brutalized or raped or whatever, but you even saw hints of it in regular TV shows that couldn't be as graphic with ZZ Gundam featuring a horny 10 year old girl as its main heroine or Studio Pierrot shitting out magical girl shows aimed at children featuring hentai cameos.In the late 80s there were like two or three different murderers that were active in quick succession that caused a media circus in Japan because in these different cases the muderers were literal otaku who targeted and sexually assaulted underage girls which put a spotlight on the anime industry.Suddenly TV anime mostly (with few exceptions) hard shifted to not pandering to older audiences at all, even the mature stuff that wasn't really sexualized nor featured loli content. Studios were afraid of backlash and almost entirely just adapted manga for young boys and girls, while stuff with more adult/everybody appeal were more sanitized.You even see it with fanservicey/ecchi/heroine OVAs ; The loli heroine archetype that was popular in the 80s almost entirely vanished for more full/maturer teenage heroines in the early 90s.
>>2893125232000-2007 anime looks very different because of the early digital animation techniques and coloring. It was also the maturity of the industry where explicitly adult titles aired on TV instead of being OVAs and there was a lot of stuff that was blatant nostalgiabait, remakes of 70s/80s properties, otaku pandering, seinen titles that would never get adapted now, and all sorts of weird and out there originals. It's definitely a retro era as much as the 70s-80s-90s.
>>289346841Even as anime began to let up in the mid-late 90s, it wasn't until the 2000s where studios stopped being afraid to do loli stuff on TV again.
>>289346686Anime peaked in the 70s when otaku shit wasn't even a thing.
>>289346907I'm watching Zambot 3 right now and almost every frame this loli's in there's a pantsu shot.
>>289326246Every other thing about modern anime makes me puke, using cels doesn't fix enough. That garbage sentimental pop song tells me how shit that anime is already.
>>289346841Like, here's a list of TV anime from 1992.I actually watched and enjoyed a bunch of the anime in this list but there's literally only one (1) anime here with deliberate adult/older teenager appeal, Tekkaman Blade.Compared to 1987 or 1997 where you had plenty.
>>289347155literally my first anime in Winter 1992. Da Garn. Fuck was that aimed towards little kids?
>>289346931Do you think Zambot was made for otaku?
>>289347220No, I'm just pointing out that it's dumb to say "when otaku shit wasn't even a thing" when the staple "otaku shit" tropes were already present and/or being cemented.
>>289347321What's dumb is forcing my point when you already understood it. Looking to argue?
>>289347155>adult/older teenager appeal, Tekkaman Blade.it's show for 6+ what is it with people pretending shit is for adultslittle kids love this shit, not adultswell loved anyway no idea what kids love these days. Gotta be some gay ass shit
>>289347632Tekkaman Blade was literally aimed at teenagers and young adults in the same way stuff like Gundam and Macross were.It was only toned down when dubbed to English.
>>289347632>>289347693But of course, Japanese children did watch Tekkaman Blade. The concept of the late night TV anime slot didn't exist at the time and even if Tekkaman Blade was aimed at teenagers, broadcasting standards keep shows like that from going overboard so there's unintentional appeal to everybody.
>>289347693In fact there's a lot of anime from the 70s-90s that were aimed at an older audience in Japan but were just stripped down and turned into a younger kid's show for the American audience.Captain Harlock's probably the funniest example of this.
>>289319532There are some ok picks in this post but please be baiting if these are regarded as great.
>>289348134There is someone saying DBZ is great in this very topic lol
>>289312169A small bit of boomerism. But looking at adaptions of manga. What I've noted over the past decade is a drop in quality of the writers and directors working on the anime. I'd check out a show, its incredibly mediocre but has a good manga. The same can't be said for works from prior decades, at least to the same degree.
>>289346841There was more than one murderer? I thought that the Miyazaki Tsutomu case was the sole reason for the backlash.
>>289340246Gokinjo is an Ai Yazawa shoujo adaptation. Not an expert on that era of shoujo but I'd bet it's pretty good for what it is and not forgotten.>>289345368Those aren't masterpieces but to call them garbage is ridiculous.
