Modern Anime are finally catching up to 90s cel animation. Can we expect every show to look like these in 10 more years?
>>289341557Top looks like old toei shows.
>>289341557Sayonara Lara used actual hand drawn cels for the OP.https://nitter.net/Goodbye_Lara/status/2076337829341471157
>>289341557>Can we expect every show to look like these in 10 more years?Hell no. A good portion will still look like shit.
>>289341557What about SaruGits reminds you even remotely about cel animation? It looks like and is the biggest digital slop ever. You'd never see colors look like this in cel.
>>289341557Still not watching your garbage
>>289341557you are going to get your heart broken when you realise many of them CAN do cel anime just fine, they just choose not to and actually prefer digital.
Anime is better than it was in the 80s. There are more titles worth watching from 2025-2026 alone than all of the 80s combined.
>>289342021its all preference anyway, this is a pointless argument. plus you'll probably never (unless you already have) experience what it was actually like to be a japanese person watching these shows on television and going to conventions and reading the manga at the time. it's a complete package.
>>289341872You're dumb.
>>289341557Don't put gits alongside lara kek, gits is a cheap imitation unlike lara
>>289341557Bottom is shit, need to watch top.
>>289342021And yet it looks worse
>>289342310do you like AI art?
>>289341557We are slowly reaching the promised land.
>>289341863Beautiful. Kino, even.
>>289341557Nah, man. You can't achieve the authentic cel animation without degrading the video quality. Everyone want everything in 4K nowadays.
>>289341557Mark my words SaruGitS will be revealed to be AI assisted some years down the road. It's so very clearly AI yet you smoothbrains can't see it.
>>289342779Why all this hatred over AI?It's our only hope for a proper Berserk anime adaptation.
>>289342838there's nothing proper about Berserk, it already has a fitting adaptation
>>289342877>it already has a fitting adaptationb-but muh lost children arc
>>289342779AI has already been detected in Saruslop. Goodbye Lara totally mogs this shit on every aspect anyway (composition, artistic direction, character designs, scenario, framing).Larabros won.
>>289342779>Mark my words [SCHIZOPHRENIA]Your brain must be fucking cooked if you think this is AI or has AI in any part of it. Just leave the internet, now.
>>289342838>It's our only hope for a proper Berserk anime adaptation.lmao then you guys are beyond fucked
>>289342245>its all preference anywayDon't tell anons that art is subjective. It might derail the entire worldview.
>>289342779I don't like satugits but how did you even come to this conclusion? at best it may have some callipeg frames which hardly can be called AI
>>289343006gomennasai. black and white statements like that are obviously just reply bait/thread derailment, though OP is partially responsible for making such a thread. some people just like to throw shit in circles like monkeys
>>289342021Comparing OVA's during an economic boom to now...
>>289343103when will we bounce back to an economic boom, I can't fucking wait any longer
>>289342970Damn that's pretty sick, Guts is so cool.>>289342838I feel like with how anime's become more profitable via licensing, it increases the chances of an adaptation, but monetizing outside of that is tricky since chapters are sporadic. Maybe if Mori completes more volumes, or just the whole story in some manner.
>>289341557You silly kids only wish you have it as good today like we did back in the 80s. It's not gonna happen.
>>289343145You boomers took all the good animation and left none for us!!
>cells cucks shilling "old le god; new le digital slop">No ones gives a shit>Ai discussion out of nowherelol
>>289341557I'm telling youWe are on a timer before someone remake this TIE FIGHTER video entirely with AIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN_CP4SuoTU
thanks to AI they can pass their animation through a filter and get this effect
>>289341557Cel looks worse than AI
Ignore all the faggots trying promote AI shit
most of the upcoming shows I have seen for late this year are ugly as fuck, all washed out colors with zero contrast or color theory. Even eyelashes can't be black anymore it's insanity, like training people to eat shit for the sake of creating shit eating retards.
>>289342021Consoomer cope
>>289344917Bomber-chan still best girl.
>>289342970Lost Children is just straight up better than Golden Age. I'm completely serious and willing to debate people over it.
>>289345287Elusive samurai anime have great color palettes. I fully recommend it.
>>289342773I'd be happy with just this >>289342627
>>289345340I'm excited for S2, seeing someone declare their name shortly before their final fight was kino
>>289342021I doubt there's more than a handful of shows from the past decade that people will still bring up in 30+ years from now.
>>289341557Art is always both expanding into new ground and constantly rediscovering its' own roots. This is a good sign.
The modern anime industry needs to suffer a crash.
uh achtually old anime was bad
>>289345363Your doubts mean nothing and DBZ is still brought up. As are HnK and Saint Seiya and every dogshit Rumiko Takahashi series. Doesn't mean shit. Hidden gems are a good thing.
>>289341557>nostalgiabaiting postironic "it's intentionally shit" clone
>>289345417I like how western artists have finally figured out how to draw appealing anime styles now.
>>289345363Same is mostly true of the 80s.From that decade, people only bring up maybe a dozen shows across ten years.It's also retarded to define culture while it's happening. Back in the late 2010s pretty much everyone thought Devilman Crybaby would be a landmark work for the times, but it faded pretty fast. Meanwhile the two basic interchangeable shounenshits from 2019, JJK and KnY, both became some of the most significant and referenced anime from that time.
>OLD GOOD NEW BAD>70s anime seen: >5>80s anime seen: 80% OVAs and movies>90s anime seen: shit that aired on Toonami
>>289341557Yes, under8 newfag will actually experienced it first hand how shitty can "cel" animation looks like and soon they'll realize how good they have it with the current digital animations.
>>289341863When they go for the extra effort I can't help but at least give it a try, I'm not even a old good new bad tranny
>>289342838fuck off retard, berserk died with miura, let them rest.
>>289341872just like cel
>>289345663What's the seemingly unremarkable anime of today that will become the zeitgeist show in 5 years
>SIGA
trans-coded aesthetic
>>289341557Good.Cel coloring is vastly superior to digital coloring.I don't know why.Digital colorings are always either too washed-out or too over-processed.
>>289346313I assume the animators might only color-pick the default colors from character design sheet and just export them to Adobe After Effects where they adjust the parameters.Shameful display.
>>289346313This image leaves out the part where the 1999 HxH anime looks like complete dogshit most of the time
>>289346313>>289346364Those on the middle look worse though, what the fuck are you smoking?
>>289341863>for the op5 seconds worththe rest is still computerslop
>>289346313which is exactly why cel colouring died out for being inferior
>>289346375Yeah. But you can't deny that it 'looks' so much better than the 2011's version.
>>289346448You didn't even post the 1999 anime this time.
>>289346313I just miss the 'darkness' of cel animation.Nowadays, when an anime is depicting a dimly lit scene, I can't see shits.
>>289346313paint were in lmited quantity, but stuff like pantone were chosen to always go well together. with digital you pic whatever and call it a day . there is also a big issue with line weights on digital
modern backgrounds just look like shit. in older shows you had those speed painting gouaches and aquarels that weren't the most precises or accurate but carried a lot of the mood. Now it's just horrendous crude building done with the line tool or worse, photos with ugly filters.
>>289345683Anime studios were much more passionate back in the day unlike the talentless hacks that plague the industry.
>>289346560They're about as passionate today as they were back then actually.
Niggas will really base their entire worldview on a handful of screenshots and 30 second clips from the internet
>>289342021>more titlesThat's actually a bad thing. There are too many shows every season so both studios get overworked and audience stopped paying attention and just wants pretry pictures flashing.
>>289346584One could argue its disrespectful to the entire anime industry to argue they were not as passionate as their predecessors. >>289346969Modern audiences do not pay attention because of the smartphone. Its not limited to anime. Ben Affleck and Matt Damon even explained that plot points get repeated in netflix shows. Things have to be dumbed down, because the audience is watching a show while scrolling through their phone. Now, I don't watch it, but I hear stranger things explained the same plot point multiple times because netflix doesn't think the audience isn't paying attention. Now, these are the types of shows that are the fastest to get dubs by Crunchyroll. Isekai slop. The actual good anime don't do this.
>>289341557Bottom looks like western shit
>>289341557I want the real thing not this faux- bullshit with modern sensibilities. Sadly it can't be made anymore.
>>289347087Bottom is totally mogged by top, but the sarufags can't see shit.
>>289347075Survivorship bias, people who get the plot will enjoy it quietly, whereas the retards who don't get it will screaming on the internet, and since only the retards are screaming they will appear to look like the majority according to the gullible suit.
>>289345663God you reminded me of Devilman Crybaby, this show was so hyped back in the day. Too bad it was dogshit, so never stood the test of time.
>>289341557>Modern anime is so garbage they need to "remake" old shitAll you need to know to realize modern anime is shit, maybe you had an excuse with videogames remakes because gameplay and all that shit, but for art is not the same, ART does not age
>>289347378>>Modern anime is so garbage they need to "remake" old shitAnime remakes have existed for fucking decades man.One of the most influential anime of all time is half a remake of another anime.
anime suffered a lot from moving to HD which is ironic because now 99% of the audience watch on phones where all details in crushed by the small screen size to begin with.There would be only benefits from going back to 480p anime. 720p if you are wealthy
>>289347399...which one is that?
>>289347399I like when retards come and say IT WAS ALWAYS LIKE THAT and then provide nothing except noise and insults. they just know they are imbeciles in the end, better stay silents instead of getting raped and gaped in public.
>>289347852>>289348329You know, people who actually watch anime would automatically know I was speaking on Ashita no Joe 2, which opens with a remake of the final 25 episodes of the original series from 1970.But off the top of my head>Lupin, DoraemonSeveral of the films for both these franchises are remakes of episodes or prior films.>Ace wo Nerae (1973)Received a remake only six years later, entitled Shin Ace wo Nerae. Then it received ANOTHER remake the SAME year, completely new footage, for the Ace wo Nerae movie.>Ie Naki Ko (1977)Was remade in 1996 as Ie Naki Ko Remi.>Astro Boy, Gegege no Kitaro, Cyborg 009, Tetsujin-28All started in the 60s and all had remakes or reboot series, multiple times over, all the way into the 2000s. >Dr. Slump to Arale-chan (1984)Was remade in 1997. Fully digital too, one of Toei's early digital TV anime.>SDF MacrossWas remade as Macross: Do You Remember Love (gotta point out here that yes, this is a remake not a compilation film).And that's just off the top of my head. Not even getting into how many times certain things have just been adapted, like how Treasure Island has MULTIPLE adaptation all from well before the 2000s, or things like how the early Dragon Ball films are themselves retellings of Dragon Ball and not in compilation film style.The compilation film as well is something mostly unique to this era of anime. The only company that still does them really is Shaft with Koyomi Vamp a couple years ago and the Jujutsu Kaisen compilation films made for the new season last year.There aren't even that many true remakes happening in anime currently. Like, how many can you genuinely name aside from what, Ruroni Kenshin? Ranma? Two works that didn't have complete adaptations in the first place? The only recent remake being done for something that was already a complete work was UY, and that was a best-of more than a remake.
>>289348526female remi > boy remi
>>289348526>You know, people who actually watch anime would automatically know I was speaking on Ashita no Joe 2, which opens with a remake of the final 25 episodes of the original series from 1970.I was just asking and I watch plenty of anime and read plenty of manga. I'm not the guy calling you a retard.
>>289342627>>289345350This is just digital filters
>>289341557neither look like cel animation. It should look like the bottom pic
>>289345447>>289349297And yet this shit looks aesthetically pleasing. I don't think no anime studio would give away the chance to animate a full series like this if it was "just a filter". It's probably time consuming to make it look this way.
>>289349980>And yet this shit looks aesthetically pleasingNo it doesn't you're just retarded
>>289346560Do you have data for this?
>>289345340I only watched this last week in preparation for season two and I was not expecting it to be nearly as good as it was. The animation and direction are both excellent.
>>289342984See >>289342979
It's actually nice to start seeing these styles again.
>>289349417There's not a single net positive from film grains beside artistic choice, grains are defective byproduct of aging celluloid film, actual animator back then wish they could get rid of such defect altogether from their archival works.
>>289341557>modern anime are finally catching up to 90s anime.Naahh!!! For that you need to add pantyshots, naked girls all over, make fun of homosexuals and troons and that's only for kids anime (aimed at 8 years old) and then you can claim to have catched up, for shounen you need almost rape, fellatio and sex in a random episode to be labeled shounen (yes hentai dealed the most degenerate stuff back then).
>>289341557Only last year's ninja show did a good job with it.
>>289349417Add grain is not the way either, with cell you usually have difficulty in having a clear idea about the layers but here the lineart and the colors with obvious digital finish give it away.
>>289353019>For that you need to add pantyshots, naked girls all over, make fun of homosexuals and troons and that's only for kids anime (aimed at 8 years old)You're in luck anon, there is literally a kids anime airing this season that has pantyshots, naked lolis covered by fog, and raunchy humor.
>>289349417Funny enough. Goodbye lara's op has been confirmed to use cel animation and it does have film grain there too.
>>289353077And that was a gag
>>289346313You know my biggest gripe with digital? When the backgrounds go too fucking overboard or are overly detailed in a way that divorces the harmony between characters and animated elements with backgrounds, one of the reasons I don't like how things like Madoka looks like, and don't get me started on post-fx on fire, water, let alone using 3D that looks like shit, was never a fan and I still hate it, bonus MINUS points when they use 3D for the mechs, fucking lame.Glad that things like Lara, Witch in Mongolia, Witch Hat, Yaiba, etc.. are picking up the pieces, sadly we still are in the era of isekaislop.
>>289341557I love that they went with the manga's style, and I really hope this is the start of a return to the 90s in general, but God, I hate the shitty fans who are complaining that this "isn't Ghost in the Shell" because they only know the movie. May you all die...
>>289341557Lmao old good new bad fags are so easily bribed. Just make digital anime, apply some filters, MAYBE use actual cels for a few frames only in the OP, then ramp up the "yeah we retro bro" marketing and you will get the aesthetic lo-fi hip hop tiktok edit crowd to shill for you. It's the exact same playbook with practical good cgi bad fags in live action cinema.The charm of 90s and earlier cel anime comes from the fact that they weren't consciously trying to look like that, they were simply using the means available to them at the time and looked like that as a consequence of it. They were being themselves and weren't dishonest about what they were. Just like the typical modern digital anime. This is something that modern pseudo-cel digital anime pretending to be something it isn't like some troon will never replicate.
Nothing will ever replace the satisfying glow of real light shining through cels.
>>289353941Cry harder, faggot.
/a/ is the worst media board by far.
>>289355192you realize just now? You could have a better discussion of any anime you like in /tv/ or even /v/
>>289352782Grain isn't a quality but if the alternative is burning my eye with oversaturated color that completely forget what the objective was (at a time with CRT screen), I'll take the grain.
>>289355348No, I just like to speak out the obvious.
It doesn't matter if the artstyle is 2020s slop
>>289342979this is the most retarded image i have seen in some time
>>289345339you're completely correct
>>289355759He's been posting them in every GitS thread for days now. He seems to be some kind of super autistc Science Saru hater, because he definitely isn't a GitS fan.
>>289341557>mister animator, please use the more subtle colors>nah
>>289341872will be easy to prompt in 1-2 years
>>289345340>>289345351I hope they kept the staff, S1 was very good and it would be a shame if S2 wasn't
>>289345340>>289356128Didn't this have one of the worst CGI usages in the existece of anime?
>>289356170The horse episode. But everything else was top notch
>>289342021Not if we don't have 50-episode anime.
>>289347150>Sadly it can't be made anymoreNothing is impossible.
>>289341557Are these yuri?
>>289353284If you're talking about Danko while it's a sequel to a kids show it airs at like 11PM on a weekdayNostalgic oji-sans are the audience.
>>289356703It can be made, but the people funding it wouldn't want a nice, slow anime appealing to Japanese sensibilities, the people making it would be>ACTION PACKED ANIME MADE FULLY WITH CELL ANIMATION AND A DIVERSE CASTthey'll use it just for promotion
>>289356635You do if you watch kinds anime.
>>289357405Finally someone posting a good anime, nu-GitS sucks and Lara is just not that good.
>>289348526I don't disagree with you, but to be fair,>There aren't even that many true remakes happening in anime currentlythis isn't true. In the 20s so far alone (so excluding LOTGH, Devilman Crybaby, Dororo, Captain Tsubasa, Kino no Tabi, etc. from the mid-10s), there's>GiTS (twice)>One Piece>Shaman King>Yaiba>Bastard!!>Saint Seiya>Jigoku Sensei Nube>High School! Kimengumi>Hokuto no Ken>Tokyo Mew Mew>Magic Knight Rayearth>Fruits Basket>Rose of Versailles>Slam Dunk>Spice and Wolf>Anne Shirley>Cat's Eye>Dragon Quest>Spriggan>Saiyuuki>Patlaborand this isn't even all of them.
>>289357649>GITSSure, but this fits my earlier point that most remakes today are attempts at fully adapting a past work that wasn't fully adapted.>One PieceNot even releasing for another year.>Shaman King>Yaiba>Bastard!!>Nube>Hokuto no Ken>Fruits Basket>Anne Shirley>Dragon QuestSee GitS.Nube I'm less sure of since it seems like that ended after just two cour, but for the rest my statement is true.>Saiyuuki>Anne Shirley (again)If you are counting these then you have to count the myriad of re-adaptations of old literature in the 60s-90s as remakes.>Rose of VersaillesThis was pushed for by the author and parallels something like Ace wo Nerae (1979).>PatlaborThis isn't even a remake, it's s equel.>Slam DunkSame with this one. It's the ending for the anime more than anything.>Saint SeiyaDoes this one count as anime? I thought this was animated in Brazil or something.The rest I'm less sure on. As for the examples you excluded though>LotGHSure.>Devilman CrybabyThis isn't a remake of anything since Devilman never got a real adaptation, unless you want to count the OVAs adapting two of the five (six) volumes and then adapting a completely different story in the third OVA.>DororoI wouldn't even call this a remake either, it has barely anything in common with the 1969 original.
>>289348526this post is grok nonense, you are giving us your feelings, no fact are there.
>>289358555What I said were facts. Those things objectively happened.
>>289341557Tomino did that 12 years ago.
>>289354890Make me faggot, digital is here to stay.
>>289357649>Fruits Basket>SprigganNew adaptation with the past adaptation being incomplete and fairly different. I imagine many others you listed are also like this.>Patlabor>Kino no TabiThe new Patlabor is a new thing with new characters in the same universe. The 2017 Kino no Tabi anime is largely a sequel (if you can say that in a series with really no sense of time progression). It does retread a couple of stories previously adapted but not in a way that could be considered remakes. I'm honestly sick of people calling new adaptations remakes. It implies that once a series has an adaptation, regardless of how shitty it is, that nobody is allowed to try again because it somehow offends some people.
>>289359937>let's make it blurry
>>289341557>This Faggot is canceling rhis anime.>https://m.youtube.com/shorts/zXbcUpb-B6s
>>289360177So you agree the top pic here >>289349417 better than the bottom right?
>>289341863Yeah but wasnt shot on film, the biggest tell if the generic clean flat fade outs done at 30fps
>>289341557Still lacks the detail and shading of the 80/90s
>>289349417that is just video noise, not authenthic.
>thin and blurry lineart means it's like my heckin basederino cel animations!!!!This thread was in the dumpster even before the aislop evangelist waddled in to shit all over the floor.
>>289352782the most tranny tourist opinion ever, you must be fine with old movies being raped with bad remasters then.
>>289342838It looks very nice.
>>289361575You can see the film grain.>>289361589There were tons of TV anime in the 80s and 90s with little to no shading and very low detail.
>>289352782Good morning, Zoomiefag. How are your crappy "old classics remastered" things?
>>289360177AND DONT FORGET THE SAFETY BLURS! EVEN WHEN JAPS NO LONGER DO FLASHY LIGHT, POKEPORYGON WAS REAL, DONT AS QUESTIONS, YOU ARE DISRESPECTFUL!And no, i am not a bot, i just repost old pics and webms.
>>289356810Major has sex with girls but also an unnamed boyfriend in manga. If they don't adapt that part, then I guess it would count as yuri.
>>289356810top is a painfully obvious Little Mermaid subversion where she's going to fall in love with the girl so yeah
>>289362378and bottom is just blatant lesbian sex
>>289346969This but unironically and it's all 12 episode fadslop.I don't even remember when was the last time we had a real 50 episode story like Eureka7.The World Ends With You anime got some 12 episode fadslop adaptation, even though in order to properly adapt the game, it REALLY would have benefitted from a 50 episode adaptation with a bunch of filler here and there expanding on the characters, adding some yuri between the villain girls and making the store owner guy the narrator.
>>289362650And censored.>BUT SHIROW CENSORED HIMSELF IN THE MANGA TOO!Yeah, cause he got harrassed over and over, and clearly didnt wanted!
>>289362661P.S. I'm not actually hating on 12 episode series, just observing a trend. I really enjoyed Shin No Nakama though, unironically the best new romance series out there.
